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Speaker 2: Let me start with Lebron going over fifty thousand career points.
Speaker 2: We knew it was going to happen. He was at
Speaker 2: forty nine, nine hundred and ninety nine. Wasn't a lot
Speaker 2: of drama there other than how was he going to
Speaker 2: get it? Was it going to be a dunk, a layup,
Speaker 2: a free throw or three point shot, which is what
Speaker 2: it was. And you start to look at these numbers
Speaker 2: and I don't want to dive into the Mike versus Lebron.
Speaker 2: I don't, we won't, but he is going to be
Speaker 2: statistically the most decorated player in the history of the sport.
Speaker 2: And it's not even going to be close. Fifty thousand
Speaker 2: points regular season, postseason combined, and he's still one of
Speaker 2: the top ten players in the game. Truly remarkable. And
Speaker 2: I started to wonder because last year, I remember there
Speaker 2: were reports speculation it's starting to slow down a little bit.
Speaker 2: I feel like the Luca trade revitalized him. I think
Speaker 2: he gets into this. Hey, that guy might be a
Speaker 2: future Hall of Famer. He might be one of the
Speaker 2: top five players in the game. I want to prove
Speaker 2: to him on a nightly basis, I can be great
Speaker 2: as well. I can continue to be great. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying they're competing with each other. It's complimenting each other.
Speaker 2: And Lebron is so bright at being able to find
Speaker 2: what do I need to do to make you better?
Speaker 2: Because he came into the sport that way. He was
Speaker 2: a pass first guy. I'm ever afraid to take the shot.
Speaker 2: He won't take the big shot. Well, if you saw
Speaker 2: him in high school, the biggest guy on the floor
Speaker 2: was the best passer, and he loved to pass. And
Speaker 2: even in the NBA, I think you know, you look
Speaker 2: at when he played against Sacramentum when he first started out,
Speaker 2: makes a great pass to start his career because that's
Speaker 2: what he thought, that's what you need to do. I
Speaker 2: think he was more magic than Michael, even though everybody
Speaker 2: wanted to emulate Michael. But I see Lebron more as
Speaker 2: magic than I do Michael. And he continues to do it,
Speaker 2: and last night, you know, they win again. Now granted
Speaker 2: they're beating the Pelicans, it goes back to defense.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about the offense because of Luca and
Speaker 2: Lebron and Austin Reeves and maybe you know, Dalton connect
Speaker 2: will be able to be a little bit more of
Speaker 2: a score, you know, come postseason time. I'm worried about defense.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: They let Zion Williamson have his way in the paint,
Speaker 2: and that's something that the Lakers have been really good
Speaker 2: at preventing points in the paint. They're letting you shoot
Speaker 2: the three. They want to make sure that you don't
Speaker 2: take advantage of them inside because they're undersized in the paint.
Speaker 2: But Zion Williamson has played really well since January. Now,
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna go, well, that's not exactly a
Speaker 2: large sample size, and you're right, but he has played
Speaker 2: really well and more importantly not missing games. This is
Speaker 2: going to be a you know, this off season is
Speaker 2: going to be tricky, I think for the Pelicans, like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing with your franchise? What do you
Speaker 2: want to do with your franchise? Can you luck into
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag and change your franchise? Is Zion your franchise?
Speaker 2: Now Brandon Ingram wasn't their franchise, so you're trying to
Speaker 2: figure that out. But I'm watching and I'm going Zion
Speaker 2: is doing whatever he wants to do, and he's undersized,
Speaker 2: but he's so powerful inside, and the Lakers didn't have
Speaker 2: an answer, but Pelicans didn't have an answer for Luca
Speaker 2: and Lebron. So Lebron is the first of fifty thousand
Speaker 2: career points. We tend to look at numbers and we go,
Speaker 2: nobody will ever break that. Well, I remember when Gretzky
Speaker 2: set the all time goalscoring record and we all said,
Speaker 2: nobody's going to top that, And here we are. Alex
Speaker 2: Ovechkin is going to top that. Emmett's with all time
Speaker 2: rushing record, Nobody's going to top that eighteen thousand, almost
Speaker 2: nineteen thousand, just because running backs trying to stay around,
Speaker 2: although maybe a resurgence on running backs getting more carries
Speaker 2: now with Saquon Barkley, who just got a two year
Speaker 2: contract extension. But you got to be healthy. Like Frank
Speaker 2: Gore was just there and ended up with what fifteen thousand, oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, fifteen thousand rushing yards, but you can't
Speaker 2: remember one of his runs. But he just sort of
Speaker 2: stayed healthy, stayed in the lineup, and he was on
Speaker 2: a variety of teams. Emmett's rushing record is not going
Speaker 2: to be broken Lebron's scoring record. Even though scoring is up,
Speaker 2: you still have to be great for over twenty years.
Speaker 2: And that's the tricky part. Can you stay healthy? Can
Speaker 2: you stay great for twenty years? And Lebron has done that,
Speaker 2: and then so Jerry Rice two hundred touchdowns, the number
Speaker 2: of catches probably not going to be broken. Seaton, Do
Speaker 2: you have a list of unbreakable records, or at least
Speaker 2: what we think is unbreakable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this list is current, at least until I don't
Speaker 4: know about a year ago or so. Right, you have
Speaker 4: you mentioned Emmett, you know over eighteen thousand rushing yards.
Speaker 4: The next closest is Derrick Henry and he's at about
Speaker 4: fifty percent of that. Wilt Chamberlain averaging fifty point four
Speaker 4: points per game in a single season. Yeah, nobody's really
Speaker 4: even close to that. The closest I could see here
Speaker 4: is James Harden at thirty six point one.
Speaker 2: You know what happening that when Will scored one hundred
Speaker 2: points and we just had the anniversary That was smart
Speaker 2: second that week, I think he played four games in
Speaker 2: five days, and I think he scored sixty or more
Speaker 2: points in four of the games, and scored one hundred
Speaker 2: in the other game. I mean, imagine that week for
Speaker 2: Wilt Chamberlain. Okay, back to your seton.
Speaker 4: Let's see Wayne Gretzky one nine hundred sixty three career assists.
Speaker 4: The at least at the time of this the active
Speaker 4: leader was Sidney Crosby and he had nine hundred and
Speaker 4: seventy two.
Speaker 2: That's that's not even close. That will never that will never, ever,
Speaker 2: ever ever be broken. Cy Young seven hundred and forty
Speaker 2: nine complete games. Nobody's touching that. Cal Ripken Junior two
Speaker 2: thousand and six hundred and thirty two consecutive games. Nobody's
Speaker 2: even people are still he had twenty six hundred, and
Speaker 2: people are still at least two thousand short of that,
Speaker 2: So that one's pretty safe. Ricky Henderson career stolen bases,
Speaker 2: He's at fourteen oh six. Nobody is even remotely close
Speaker 2: to that. Elvis Andrews I have it well at the
Speaker 2: time of this list. Anyway, this has changed, but three
Speaker 2: hundred fifty, that's not even close. Yeah, Michael Phelps twenty
Speaker 2: eight Olympic medals the active leader. There is eleven the
Speaker 2: next closest to him, So is that Katie Ledecki. Do
Speaker 2: we have her total?
Speaker 4: Let's see I have Yeah, maybe this needs to be updated.
Speaker 4: But and then there's another Olympian on here. But this
Speaker 4: is for the World Gymnastics gold medals. Simone Biles has
Speaker 4: twenty three of those. The next closest is nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's you know her. Her dominance is a
Speaker 4: little not underappreciated, but it's massive.
Speaker 2: Is anybody going to approach Barry Bond's all time home
Speaker 2: run record? I mean it's still a home run hitting sport.
Speaker 2: I just wonder, can you stay healthy enough to hit
Speaker 2: that many home runs? You know, five hundred is you know,
Speaker 2: that's the Hall of Fame Mark. You get to five
Speaker 2: hundred and you know, unless you've used steroids or caught
Speaker 2: using steroids, then you're going to go to the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Point, you need to hit fifty home runs for fourteen
Speaker 6: years to be in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Think about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah point.
Speaker 6: I was thinking about this because you've often said that
Speaker 6: Kareem abdul Jabbar is underrated. Kareem abdul Jabbar all this
Speaker 6: points records were his until le Brown showed up. Kareem
Speaker 6: played four years of college basketball correct. Imagine if he
Speaker 6: had a couple more years of professional basketball. He scored
Speaker 6: his first couple of years in the Bigs about twenty
Speaker 6: four hundred points per season if he could have come
Speaker 6: in at age nineteen twenty twenty one. So it doesn't
Speaker 6: match up apples to apples with the career scoring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Kareem had come out of high school instead
Speaker 2: of going to UCLA, then you get that four year
Speaker 2: window that Lebron has, and he has that over just
Speaker 2: about everybody on the all time list because Mike stayed
Speaker 2: what three years at North Carolina. But yeah, just some
Speaker 2: of those records, I'm sure this audience will have other
Speaker 2: ones that are unbreakable. Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 7: Joe Dimagio fifty six game hitty streak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see that happening. I don't see anybody
Speaker 2: breaking that. You know, Pete got to forty four and
Speaker 2: that was a big deal. But you know, the specialty
Speaker 2: of relievers now that you're going to face somebody, I mean,
Speaker 2: everybody's throwing a one hundred and it's not like you're
Speaker 2: going to have a tired pitcher that you're facing. You know,
Speaker 2: it's five innings and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: bring in the bullpen. But yeah, fifty six games, even
Speaker 2: getting on base in fifty six consecutive games, that's not
Speaker 2: going to be. We won't come close to that. I
Speaker 2: don't think like we get to thirty and now you
Speaker 2: get our attention, But you know, is somebody going to
Speaker 2: get to forty one of the They're not contact hitters anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, back when Pete Rose was playing, you put
Speaker 2: the ball in play and you had Wade Bogs and
Speaker 2: Rod Carew you know, some of these great artists here
Speaker 2: now even each year Row as great as he was,
Speaker 2: as fast as he was, I don't know what his
Speaker 2: consecutive games streak was for hits.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, if you look at current you know, active
Speaker 4: players home run hitters, you can't even find somebody that
Speaker 4: you can put on pace to come close. Even I
Speaker 4: think John Carlos Stanton, he's at four to twenty nine,
Speaker 4: but if you look at his sort of production rate,
Speaker 4: he's not even going to come close to bonds. And
Speaker 4: there isn't anybody that you can put anywhere in their
Speaker 4: career like a trajectory right now that comes close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're hitting seven hundred and sixty two home runs. Now,
Speaker 2: Hank Aaron had seven fifty five, Babe had seven fourteen.
Speaker 2: Pouholz is there? What's seven oh three? Yeah, just not
Speaker 2: going to happen. By the way, Justin Verlander turned forty
Speaker 2: two last month, Is that right to just a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago. Okay, here's Lebron James talking about fifty k.
Speaker 8: A first thing come to my mind is like where
Speaker 8: I'm from, and uh, you know, just picking up the
Speaker 8: game when I was like a little kid and just
Speaker 8: having a love for the sport and was hoping that
Speaker 8: someday I'd be able to play at the highest level.
Speaker 8: And I've been able to do that in and and
Speaker 8: really enjoy, you know, and really enjoy my career. So
Speaker 8: it's definitely honor. It's pretty cool. Should just see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's remarkable. I feel honored to be
Speaker 2: able to have chronicled his entire career and be there
Speaker 2: when he was in the NBA finals, be there when
Speaker 2: he won an NBA title, a couple of NBA titles.
Speaker 2: Was there for all of Michael's NBA titles, And you know,
Speaker 2: that's what you want to be part of history. You
Speaker 2: want to watch history. And I was able to do both,
Speaker 2: and Lebron is an incredible player. No matter what you
Speaker 2: say about Lebron, you got it. You have to almost
Speaker 2: put a period at the end of the sentence. You
Speaker 2: can't put a comma or a semi colon or whatever
Speaker 2: you might whatever grammar, because you know the next thing
Speaker 2: you're going to say is is he better than Michael?
Speaker 2: Could he be Michael? What's he needed to do to
Speaker 2: be better than Michael? This is one of those you know,
Speaker 2: he reminds us now when you get to a certain level,
Speaker 2: you know, like Jannis has to remind us sometimes how
Speaker 2: great he is. Even though he's great, he has to
Speaker 2: remind us. I think he had a triple double last night,
Speaker 2: a joker that you get to that level and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: And Lebron is reminding us almost on a nightly basis.
Speaker 2: And the fact that they are now, they're in the mix.
Speaker 2: They are truly in the mix to be a championship contender.
Speaker 2: And as I said a couple of weeks ago, if
Speaker 2: they play defense, and sometimes that's a big If you
Speaker 2: stay healthy and you play defense, now you've got everybody's attention.
Speaker 2: It's like Golden State has changed because of Jimmy Butler
Speaker 2: and watching last night. Jimmy Butler might not have a
Speaker 2: great game, but he takes care of the ball, he
Speaker 2: shoots free throw like, he does things where you go, okay,
Speaker 2: I mean you really have to keep an eye on
Speaker 2: what he does because Steph is so charismatic, so dramatic,
Speaker 2: and you can't take your eyes off of it. Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 2: you do take your eyes off of him, but then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you'll see stats and you'll go, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: And he plays defense. These are little things that will
Speaker 2: mean a whole lot in a couple of months. Yes, Martin.
Speaker 7: And the thing about Lebron is he's almost like Tiger Woods,
Speaker 7: where this was the expectation, Like when we saw him
Speaker 7: as a high school junior, you were expected if he
Speaker 7: had Joe Johnson's career, we would consider him to be
Speaker 7: a bust.
Speaker 2: You know, crazy that sounds.
Speaker 7: You know, people would kill to have Joe Johnson's career,
Speaker 7: But he had to be one of the greatest, if
Speaker 7: not the greatest player ever for us to say, all right,
Speaker 7: you're worth the hype. Like he's the one guy that
Speaker 7: probably probably lived up to the hype more than any
Speaker 7: other player.
Speaker 2: Well, he put the spotlight on him, on himself, but
Speaker 2: then Sports Illustrated put him on the cover as well,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden things change, Like Bryce
Speaker 2: Harper when he was on the cover Sports Illustrated at
Speaker 2: what fifteen. Now, you know, I think was it Tom
Speaker 2: Berducci who did a cover story on him? And who
Speaker 2: did the It was a Grant Wall who did the
Speaker 2: cover on Lebron that story. So now all of it's
Speaker 2: it's changed. Now all of a sudden, you're part of
Speaker 2: the sports world vernacular. Now everybody knows you. Now they're
Speaker 2: waiting for you. And what he did in Cleveland with
Speaker 2: those teams, just to get to the finals against the
Speaker 2: Spurs is to me a herculean effort. There's a there's
Speaker 2: a couple of teams like Iverson with the Sixers, like
Speaker 2: you just go, how did he get them to hear?
Speaker 2: And with Lebron and that team. Now granted the Spurs
Speaker 2: were you know, that's an all time team, but just
Speaker 2: the fact that he got them there, that that to
Speaker 2: me is as impressive as any of his titles that
Speaker 2: he wont because he took that team to an NBA finals.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Pauli and after Lebron, Sports Illustrated tried it again.
Speaker 6: A few times they'd put a high school kid and
Speaker 6: say is this next Lebron? Jabari Parker out of Chicago
Speaker 6: and others, and it became the measuring stick.
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Speaker 2: He's Justin Verlander. Just turned forty two years of age.
Speaker 2: When do you feel forty two.
Speaker 11: Now?
Speaker 3: When I'm forty two? Apparently I still feel great.
Speaker 11: So I get out of bed in the morning and
Speaker 11: I keep expecting these eggs and pains everybody talks about,
Speaker 11: But I feel pretty good.
Speaker 2: I'd like that you gave me a nice backdrop there
Speaker 2: at Scottsdale Stadium.
Speaker 3: We thought about it. You're welcome.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that instead of some sterile room there. I
Speaker 2: like that you got a career as a cinematographer.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: Let me start with the automated strike zone with you
Speaker 2: having done this for so long, and now you see
Speaker 2: the younger pitchers who we're going to grow up with
Speaker 2: this adapt to this? Is there an upside in your
Speaker 2: opinion to an automated strike zone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's upside to it.
Speaker 11: I I like the appeal system over the full automated zone,
Speaker 11: and the reason being, I think these umpires are are
Speaker 11: asked to do a really difficult job and you know,
Speaker 11: they're also the best in the world at it, even
Speaker 11: though they they're not perfect, but they're you know, that's
Speaker 11: that's a that's a tough zone to call, especially when
Speaker 11: guys are throwing one hundred miles an hour with.
Speaker 3: Nasty, breaking balls.
Speaker 11: So I don't want to take away the part of
Speaker 11: the game that I love, which is catcher framing. You know,
Speaker 11: the pitcher hitting his spot and getting a call because
Speaker 11: everything everything presented correctly and it looks like a strike,
Speaker 11: and the umpire calls calls it even though it's maybe
Speaker 11: a you know, half an inch off and the batter
Speaker 11: doesn't quite know. So in a in a big spot,
Speaker 11: in a big spot in the game, maybe he challenges.
Speaker 11: But if it's the first, second, third inning, nobody really
Speaker 11: knows if it's if it's actually a ballers strike. So
Speaker 11: I don't want to take away that part of the game.
Speaker 11: But I think, you know, there's obviously opportunities where it's
Speaker 11: an egregiously wrong call where you can turn that over,
Speaker 11: or late in the game in a big spot where
Speaker 11: you know both sides want to make sure we get
Speaker 11: it right. Well, I say both sides, but you know
Speaker 11: everybody wants to make sure you get it right.
Speaker 2: I saw where Max Sure's there's not a in favor
Speaker 2: of this, and then I had to laugh because you
Speaker 2: guys are veterans. You know, you guys got calls. You know,
Speaker 2: the umpire might give you the benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 2: you know, Greg Maddox, Tom Glavin, you sure's are you know,
Speaker 2: the automated strike zone. They don't know who you are.
Speaker 11: You know, I wish they don't. They don't do that
Speaker 11: anymore for us. You know, you go back, you know
Speaker 11: when I first came in the game, and you know
Speaker 11: you had those guys that you mentioned, Rocket Roger, you know, Maddox, Johnson,
Speaker 11: all those guys. You know, you come into a game
Speaker 11: and it's like, hey, you're gonna have a little bit
Speaker 11: biggerzoned today. These guys have earned it, you know, they
Speaker 11: tell all the hitters that. And but with the umpire
Speaker 11: is being monitored now, they they get even though it's
Speaker 11: not an automated strike zone they get they get graded
Speaker 11: on every single game.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm sure some of these older.
Speaker 11: School umpires would like to give us a little bigger zone,
Speaker 11: but we don't get that advantage anymore.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I would love it.
Speaker 2: How important is three hundred wins to you? You're a
Speaker 2: two sixty two?
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, Look, I mean i'd be lying if I
Speaker 11: said it wasn't it wasn't important. I you know, I
Speaker 11: I see pretty clearly that, you know, unless something changes
Speaker 11: that I'd probably the last to have a chance to
Speaker 11: do it. So it's something that is off in the distance. Uh,
Speaker 11: I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm you know, the
Speaker 11: only reason I'm playing is he at three hundred, I
Speaker 11: still feel good. I still feel like I can be successful,
Speaker 11: quite successful. I don't want to go out there and
Speaker 11: make a fool of myself just to try to try
Speaker 11: to reach that goal. But you know, I think the
Speaker 11: injuries that I sustained the last last year particularly actually
Speaker 11: I learned a lot from and you know, I I
Speaker 11: I think I can be the pitcher that I was
Speaker 11: three years ago when I won the cy Young So
Speaker 11: you know, if three hundred happens. It happens, but it's
Speaker 11: something that like a lot of the things I've I've
Speaker 11: been able to achieve in my career, it just happens
Speaker 11: because you're out there taking the ball and doing all
Speaker 11: the right things and just pitching.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: What's the conversation like when you sit down with Kate
Speaker 2: and you go, well, tell me what the conversations like
Speaker 2: where you decide you want to play another year?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Yeah, she's super supportive. Man, I'm uh, you know, it's
Speaker 11: it's getting harder. Our daughter is six now and in kindergarten,
Speaker 11: so you got real school happening where they can't just
Speaker 11: pick up and transplant the family for the baseball season.
Speaker 11: But you know, she knows how much I care and
Speaker 11: how how much passion I have for this, and and
Speaker 11: and and my analogy is, you know, I want to
Speaker 11: set a good example for my daughter. And you know,
Speaker 11: my analogy is, like I've spent my entire life training
Speaker 11: for this marathon.
Speaker 3: I literally since I'm five years old.
Speaker 11: Since I was five, I picked up at baseball and
Speaker 11: told my parents I wanted to be a major League
Speaker 11: baseball player. And here I am living my dream and
Speaker 11: still feel like I can can play at a high level.
Speaker 11: So you know, I've I've trained my entire life to
Speaker 11: be in the middle of this marathon. Here I am
Speaker 11: running it, and I feel like I'm you know, I
Speaker 11: don't know how close I am the finish line, but
Speaker 11: I'm damn close. And and you know what a disservice
Speaker 11: it would be to me and my you know, my
Speaker 11: daughter to to to give up now, So you know,
Speaker 11: I'm gonna keep playing and working as hard as I can.
Speaker 3: And and and then talking to my friends, they tell.
Speaker 11: Me, Uh, the guys that are retired, they say, when
Speaker 11: you know, you know, And I don't know exactly what
Speaker 11: that means yet, so that tells me I'm not there.
Speaker 2: He's justin Verlander. And now with the Giants signed a
Speaker 2: one year deal. Uh do you have to hate the
Speaker 2: Dodgers more because you're a Giant? Is there a pamphlet
Speaker 2: that they give you on disliking the Dodgers?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 11: No, it's more just a vibe, you know. I think
Speaker 11: you can pick up on it. I'm actually excited.
Speaker 3: I haven't. Look, I've had some rivalries, but it's it's
Speaker 3: it's nothing like this.
Speaker 11: It doesn't have the history it's had some just like
Speaker 11: you know in Detroit there were you know, for a
Speaker 11: few years the Whites were really good and we were battling,
Speaker 11: and then the Indians, and then with Houston, the v
Speaker 11: A's were really good and the Rangers were really good.
Speaker 3: I haven't had a rivalry.
Speaker 11: Like this, so I think just it just happens when
Speaker 11: you start playing the games against each other and you
Speaker 11: just feel it and the stadium, you know, has that
Speaker 11: atmosphere to it that's just different, feels like a playoff game.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited about it.
Speaker 2: If you could take one pitch off, and you know
Speaker 2: pitchers in your era, So if it's somebody's fastball, somebody's
Speaker 2: breaking ball, somebody's slider. Uh give me, give me who
Speaker 2: you would you would pick? And which which pitch?
Speaker 11: Geez uh does it have to I mean I would
Speaker 11: love Lemons splitter.
Speaker 3: That would be yeah, all right, all right that I
Speaker 3: have a hard time.
Speaker 11: Uh, Like, my change up hasn't been a pitch I've
Speaker 11: been able to utilize much the last like five or
Speaker 11: six years, even though I threw it a lot when
Speaker 11: I was younger, I don't have a pitch that really
Speaker 11: moves that way.
Speaker 3: So that would be. That would be lovely if I
Speaker 3: could use that.
Speaker 2: Okay, but what about curveball? What about fast I.
Speaker 3: Mean Kersh's Curseh's curveball. You know, uh iconic tea.
Speaker 2: Can you teach Kershaw's curveball?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 11: I think this is actually a problem that a lot
Speaker 11: of people fall into. It's a trap where everybody with
Speaker 11: all of the analytics now you can find out.
Speaker 3: You can watch video.
Speaker 11: You can see exactly how he throws it, and and
Speaker 11: the spin that he gets on it, just like any other's,
Speaker 11: any other anybody else's pitch. But I think there's something
Speaker 11: innate with the way that you throw a baseball. It's
Speaker 11: like the gate of a horse, you know, like it's
Speaker 11: just so unique to you, and that's what allows you
Speaker 11: to be successful at certain things.
Speaker 3: You know, you talk about a fastball, I would want.
Speaker 3: I want my fastball.
Speaker 11: I think my fastball is one of the one of
Speaker 11: the best, if not, you know, it's one of the
Speaker 11: best in the history of baseball's it's.
Speaker 3: Uh so, I think that's just how I.
Speaker 11: Throw a baseball though. It's just what I was born
Speaker 11: to do and and the way my body works. I
Speaker 11: can't throw a sinker to save my life, you know,
Speaker 11: I I it just it just it just doesn't work.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 11: But the reason that it doesn't work is because you know,
Speaker 11: the way I throw creates such a great beneficent forcing.
Speaker 2: But if you were coming up now, I wonder the
Speaker 2: longevity of your career because you would be a different picture.
Speaker 3: Very different.
Speaker 11: I I often wonder about this because I mean, it
Speaker 11: permeates all the way down now to the to.
Speaker 3: Little league level.
Speaker 11: I mean you see all these Instagram famous places where
Speaker 11: you go to to learn how to throw harder, and
Speaker 11: and you know, I, well, look, they have a place,
Speaker 11: they do. But for me, you know, if if I
Speaker 11: look back at my my trajectory when I was a
Speaker 11: young kid, and I clearly got to the point pretty
Speaker 11: quickly where my father was like, uh, you know, you're
Speaker 11: you're past my expertise. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 11: I'm doing here, you know. So he found me a
Speaker 11: local coach and that coach talked baseball back then, you know,
Speaker 11: talked about uh mechanics and feel and flow. And his
Speaker 11: name was Bob Smith and in Richmond, Virginia, and you know, uh.
Speaker 3: That is gone now.
Speaker 11: I think I think now if my dad were to
Speaker 11: be in the same position, he would send me somewhere
Speaker 11: that teaches me how to be a little more cookie
Speaker 11: cutter and try to throw as try to throw as
Speaker 11: hard as you can instead of instead of learning your
Speaker 11: own mechanics and cultivating your own movement pattern and and
Speaker 11: learning how to pitch a little bit more. And and
Speaker 11: I don't know, I don't know where that leads. Yeah,
Speaker 11: I I talked about this a lot. I don't know
Speaker 11: if I would have been able to have this career
Speaker 11: had I came up in today's.
Speaker 2: Age, toughest out in your career, Like this guy came
Speaker 2: to the plate and you go, all right, let me
Speaker 2: just try something totally out of left field.
Speaker 3: Salvador Perez has done really well against me in division. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 3: The good thing is.
Speaker 11: Though he didn't have a ton of homers against me,
Speaker 11: so in Salvi, sorry Salve, He's not the fastest guy
Speaker 11: on the on the face of the earth, so uh,
Speaker 11: it didn't bother me so much. But if he came
Speaker 11: up with men on base, it was trouble for me.
Speaker 2: But would you rather give up a bomb or one
Speaker 2: that trickles right over the left field wall?
Speaker 3: Great question. It depends on the situation in the game.
Speaker 2: Let's say it's just you know, you're up five to nothing.
Speaker 3: Bomb, I'd rather gere up a homer, like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Four hundred and fifty feet. You're okay, I'm completely fine
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 11: I at least I challenged you, you know, and you
Speaker 11: know I can move on from that.
Speaker 3: We're still up for it.
Speaker 11: Not then there's nobody on base, I still feel comfortable,
Speaker 11: a little blooper. And then, you know, and then another
Speaker 11: guy gets a base hitting out's you know you got
Speaker 11: you know, then a guy hits a homer and it's
Speaker 11: a you know, chewer run ball game.
Speaker 3: That's a little different.
Speaker 2: Greg Maddox said, I said, describe the sound of a
Speaker 2: home run. He says, it's like a it's like a
Speaker 2: car crash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, I mean these guys you know it right?
Speaker 2: Do you know it right away without even turning around?
Speaker 3: Sometimes? Yeah, a lot of times.
Speaker 11: No, it's kind of like, you know, you just had
Speaker 11: that reaction where you're like, you know, get down, your
Speaker 11: you're in your head the whole you know, you got
Speaker 11: a few seconds, so you get down, get down, get down.
Speaker 11: You just don't you know it's going to be closed,
Speaker 11: and then some of them you're just like, oh boy, yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, when you're not pitching in spring training, what's what
Speaker 2: do you do?
Speaker 11: I like, you know, I uh, there's been a lot
Speaker 11: of guys here playing chess, so that's been fun. We've
Speaker 11: been getting some good chess games going on, and we're
Speaker 11: gonna start a San Francisco Giants Chess club.
Speaker 2: Not in the dugout.
Speaker 11: Not in the dugout, No, no, in spring training you
Speaker 11: don't really, I mean, especially especially with my tenure, they
Speaker 11: don't make me be in the dugout anymore.
Speaker 3: But it's been fun this year.
Speaker 11: I mean, that's one of the positives of my family
Speaker 11: not being out here, which has been difficult.
Speaker 3: Is my first spring training in Arizona.
Speaker 11: But I've had more time to connect with the younger
Speaker 11: guys and and spend some time at the field.
Speaker 3: So I really, uh enjoy just.
Speaker 11: Taking that, taking that all in, you know, and I
Speaker 11: think the perspective of where I'm at in my career,
Speaker 11: you know, I think you want to you want to
Speaker 11: enjoy it a little bit more and realize that it's
Speaker 11: not indefinite that you get to play this game. And
Speaker 11: so it's been fun being around hey, around the park lot.
Speaker 2: What happened will you wear when you go into the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame?
Speaker 11: Oh gosh, uh, you know, I I honestly, I I
Speaker 11: honestly do not know.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would tell you even if I did.
Speaker 2: But it's a good problem to have, justin it is
Speaker 2: a good problem to have.
Speaker 11: You're right, you know, who who could have known what
Speaker 11: would have happened in Houston when I got traded there
Speaker 11: in seventeen you know, like, uh, like how much success
Speaker 11: I was able to have? No, like I I couldn't
Speaker 11: have forecasted that. You know, no, nobody really could have.
Speaker 11: So you just I just have this mentality that, you know,
Speaker 11: just head down, I'm working hard and however far this
Speaker 11: career takes me, and where it takes me, you know,
Speaker 11: when the dust settles, when I sit back and I
Speaker 11: look back, that's that's when I'll I'll ask those questions.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I mean I get asked. I get asked
Speaker 11: a fair amount and and and quite frankly, I just
Speaker 11: haven't even try to make that decision yet. It's obviously
Speaker 11: been thought of, but I'm trying not to make the decision.
Speaker 2: You still have your Tiger uniform, don't you.
Speaker 3: Of course I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your tiger had.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of a lot of gear every year.
Speaker 11: Every year at the end of the season, I send
Speaker 11: it all back to my house and just it's like,
Speaker 11: I'm honestly not looking forward to going.
Speaker 3: Through all of it.
Speaker 2: Could I get the Mets gear? I mean, really, that's nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'll send you something. Okay, I'll send
Speaker 2: you something. We'll put it in the man cave here.
Speaker 2: That sounds good, I'll send it. Hey, have fun, good
Speaker 2: to talk to it. Thank you again, how best to
Speaker 2: your wife? Thank you?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Justin Berlin.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2: Steph Curry last night leading the Golden State Warriors to
Speaker 2: another win. They played Brooklyn tomorrow night than a seven
Speaker 2: game homestand after that, here is Steph on the magic
Speaker 2: of playing at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 12: This massive square garden. It speaks for itself. This is
Speaker 12: a place that brings it just naturally, has great, unique,
Speaker 12: authentic basketball energy and like the fans are unreal, like
Speaker 12: the Who's Who a celebrity rowing on that, but just
Speaker 12: everybody's anticipating great basketball, and from my first game here
Speaker 12: in college to now, like it's always delivered. So and
Speaker 12: for us on the Western Conference, we'll only get one
Speaker 12: chance here and I'm trying to take to make the most.
Speaker 2: Of it, and they did. Iron Eagle was on the
Speaker 2: call TNT Nicks Warriors. What is it about the Garden
Speaker 2: and why is it different?
Speaker 13: There is a palpable buzz before the game even starts,
Speaker 13: and it's nothing that's being pumped through the speakers. It's
Speaker 13: not artificial in any way.
Speaker 5: It's real.
Speaker 13: There is something special and unique about it. Even during
Speaker 13: the lean years, you would go into the Garden and
Speaker 13: maybe just the way the arena in captures the sound.
Speaker 13: It just bounces in a certain manner. So as the
Speaker 13: game was about to get going, you could feel it.
Speaker 13: You could feel that energy. It's tangible. And I know
Speaker 13: what Steph is saying. It is special for him and
Speaker 13: he makes it even more special when he's there because
Speaker 13: it creates an added layer of electricity.
Speaker 2: How do you know when you've done a good job
Speaker 2: doing a game?
Speaker 13: I know, I know if I've covered the storylines, I
Speaker 13: know if I've met the moment I know if I've.
Speaker 5: Hit the right beats.
Speaker 13: I think it's based on just doing so many games.
Speaker 13: There's a way to view it. For me, the amount
Speaker 13: of games that I do helps me because it keeps
Speaker 13: me in that mindset.
Speaker 5: It keeps me locked in.
Speaker 13: I don't ever drop off because I'm not off for
Speaker 13: three weeks and I got to get back into it.
Speaker 13: I'm doing sometimes five games in a week, and there's
Speaker 13: a certain standard that comes with that.
Speaker 5: You want to do your best.
Speaker 13: It doesn't matter if it's a Wednesday night for a
Speaker 13: local Nets Washington game, or a Thursday night for a
Speaker 13: big Lakers Boston game, or a Sunday in the NFL,
Speaker 13: or a Thursday night on the radio.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 13: You just get to a point where you can gauge
Speaker 13: it in the moment if you're doing your job correctly
Speaker 13: and you're hitting all the high notes.
Speaker 2: I still find it interesting that when a player or
Speaker 2: team plays New York, they're playing the Garden. They're not
Speaker 2: playing the Knicks. Yeah, they're playing the Garden. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we do that at any other venue or
Speaker 2: any other sport. Can you think of anything where you
Speaker 2: go now it used to be the Garden, Boston Garden. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, then it became like the Fleet Center and
Speaker 2: TD Bank, and so it kind of lost a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, playing the Crypt, maybe the Forum. Yeah,
Speaker 2: great Western form. But I don't know if there's any
Speaker 2: like Fenway. You don't say, oh, you're playing Fenway, you're
Speaker 2: playing the Red Sox. Even Yankee Stadium is not the
Speaker 2: original Yankee Stadium, even though the Garden's not the original Garden.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're playing the Garden as opposed to it.
Speaker 2: It's like you're a musical group. Yeah, we're on tour
Speaker 2: and then we play the Garden.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Billy Joel is no longer doing it once a month,
Speaker 13: but you're right, Billy Joel is playing the Garden and
Speaker 13: the Warriors were playing the Garden. I don't know if
Speaker 13: it's an extension of Broadway in some way that you're
Speaker 13: in New York and it's this historic venue. You're right
Speaker 13: about the ever changing names. That is a part of
Speaker 13: it that chips away at the mystique a bit. I
Speaker 13: remember I did a game years ago NFL on CBS
Speaker 13: game in Oakland, and at that point it was a
Speaker 13: revolving door of names, and literally, I'm not exaggerating. Dan
Speaker 13: fifteen minutes before kickoff, someone I'm not sure if they
Speaker 13: were affiliated with the Raiders or the State, and they
Speaker 13: walk in, they hand me a sheet of paper and
Speaker 13: they say, hey, just to let you know we're going
Speaker 13: by this now. Fifteen minutes before the game, I go
Speaker 13: theold dot co What what is this? And that takes
Speaker 13: away from from the sense of place and the sense
Speaker 13: of history.
Speaker 5: You're right, even with the Boston Garden.
Speaker 13: Once they went down that road, the Boston Garden became
Speaker 13: a thing of the past.
Speaker 5: And now you've got to rack your brain and say,
Speaker 5: what is it now? Is it TD Garden?
Speaker 11: What?
Speaker 13: It's still Madison Square Garden named after, by the way,
Speaker 13: James Madison, the former president.
Speaker 5: That was the connection. I was going to use that.
Speaker 13: Over the weekend in regards to the Saint John's Seen
Speaker 13: Hall game and make the point that Bill Raftery was
Speaker 13: actually classmates with James Knapson and that he knew quite well.
Speaker 5: But we never got there.
Speaker 2: Who is more unexplainable? Steph Curry's successor Lebron's Steph Curry.
Speaker 2: Steph Curry, he was the number seven pick in the draft.
Speaker 2: There were major questions as to whether or not his
Speaker 2: style and approach would translate to the NBA.
Speaker 13: Would he get his shot off, Like, think about that
Speaker 13: for a moment. If we go back and check the
Speaker 13: scouting reports, it would say great three point shooter, creative
Speaker 13: offensive player. But will the NBA be too physical for him?
Speaker 13: Is he big enough to handle the wear and tear
Speaker 13: of the NBA. Those were questions coming out of Davidson.
Speaker 13: That was the other part of it. He was coming
Speaker 13: out of Davidson. He was not coming out of Duke.
Speaker 13: His brother had gone from Liberty to Duke. So you
Speaker 13: saw him on a bigger stage and thought, Okay, he
Speaker 13: can do it, it'll translate. And obviously he's had a
Speaker 13: nice career. Steph has had an all time career, and
Speaker 13: I think at this stage, the rejuvenation that we're seeing
Speaker 13: with Jimmy Butler now on the team Dan, I'm sensing
Speaker 13: that there's even a greater appreciation for Steph than ever before.
Speaker 13: Because as you see these incredible athletes hit the NBA,
Speaker 13: these physical specimens, these adonises, Steph, it just feels like
Speaker 13: he could be anybody. And he's obviously a terrific athlete
Speaker 13: and He's in great shape, but he would blend in
Speaker 13: if he didn't know who he was, and that's part of.
Speaker 5: The charm of it.
Speaker 13: This guy is doing it in a manner that I
Speaker 13: don't know if we're going.
Speaker 5: To see it again the way he does it.
Speaker 13: And just again Dan my experience, They're playing in Brooklyn,
Speaker 13: so I'm going to see this for the second time
Speaker 13: this week. I just happened to walk out onto the
Speaker 13: court of my broadcast location as he was going through
Speaker 13: his warm up and the groundswell of people that I
Speaker 13: want to watch him warm up warm up. That to
Speaker 13: me says everything you need to know that there is
Speaker 13: a special quality and people realize that this is just
Speaker 13: something a little different. This is just not a normal
Speaker 13: NBA player.
Speaker 2: He's an Eagle. He was on the call last night
Speaker 2: TNT Warriors Knicks. He's got the Warriors' nets tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: and then Michigan, Michigan State coming up on Sunday. Is
Speaker 2: that right? That is right?
Speaker 5: Right? Thank you.
Speaker 13: I didn't know where I was going until you mentioned it,
Speaker 13: so I'd better book that flight.
Speaker 2: Is there a backup plan in case you can't show
Speaker 2: up at a game?
Speaker 13: It's a hologram we've worked that up. They have a
Speaker 13: soundboard of all my calls and then they just project
Speaker 13: me onto the screen. We're actually trying to do that
Speaker 13: with Raff.
Speaker 5: At this point. We don't even need him to be
Speaker 5: at the games.
Speaker 13: We just have onions on a loop, double order on
Speaker 13: a loop, and then you're good.
Speaker 5: You're good to go for the tournament.
Speaker 2: Bill Raftery is and people will find him entertaining on
Speaker 2: a game. He's a million times more entertaining when he's
Speaker 2: not doing a game. And that's saying a lot. But
Speaker 2: the first time I met Raf, I was in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: Craig Sager's bar, Jackson Jill, that's right, And I just
Speaker 2: got through I was working at CNN and I went
Speaker 2: over to Seger's bar. I come in and Raf has
Speaker 2: the corner of the bar. As you walk in the
Speaker 2: corner of the bar, there had to be twenty five
Speaker 2: beers and he had ordered twenty five beers. Yes, And
Speaker 2: it was just if you came up to talk to him,
Speaker 2: just grab a beer. That's first time I met him,
Speaker 2: And I mean, he is a delight.
Speaker 13: So can I interject one thing to him? Because it
Speaker 13: just spurred a memory of mine. We were in Seattle
Speaker 13: for a net game, and we ended up going to dinner,
Speaker 13: large group, and then the group got a little smaller,
Speaker 13: went out to a bar afterwards, and we got to
Speaker 13: the bar, and literally ten minutes into our stay at
Speaker 13: the bar, they call out last call, and I see
Speaker 13: like Bill's whole demeanor change in that moment, and he
Speaker 13: just leaves the group and he goes to the bar
Speaker 13: and he obviously gets in an order for last call,
Speaker 13: and normally last call what ends up happening.
Speaker 5: They still let you hang around a little bit. They
Speaker 5: did not. They kick us out of this bar. We
Speaker 5: spill out into the street.
Speaker 13: It's not even that laid out, and feel's a bit
Speaker 13: upset about it, and I understand that they cut off
Speaker 13: his evening. So he's wearing a long trench coat and
Speaker 13: we get outside now and our director who passed away,
Speaker 13: great guy, Dave Hagen. He shows us that he snuck
Speaker 13: one beer out to the street and we all laugh like, oh,
Speaker 13: that's a mez rap. Opens his trench coat. He has
Speaker 13: eight years, but he has snuck out two in each
Speaker 13: side pocket, two on the interior in his pants.
Speaker 5: This guy is at another level.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering I brought this up when I interviewed Sonny Vaccaro.
Speaker 2: I said, I hope that he would get into Basketball
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame contributions to the game, And they're certain
Speaker 2: like Dick VII tow contributions and Bill Raftery, Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: because he was a former college coach, he's in, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but to have but Sonny vccaro is not. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I don't know if we look at the shoe business
Speaker 2: and the CD under belly of this and that's like
Speaker 2: he had contributions to the game. He signed Michael Jordan,
Speaker 2: he signed Kobe, almost signed Lebron and you got these
Speaker 2: coaches who got paid. I mean, he changed college basketball.
Speaker 2: You may say, maybe not for the better, but where
Speaker 2: do you stand on contributions to the game and you
Speaker 2: know people getting inducted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he should be in. He should be in.
Speaker 13: He played a large role in the development of the game.
Speaker 13: And you're right, there were some things happening that nobody
Speaker 13: was completely aware of and it changed the sport. But
Speaker 13: it was inevitable. If it wasn't him, it was going
Speaker 13: to be somebody else. I do think the fact that
Speaker 13: he had a big personality was a big part of
Speaker 13: what made college basketball what it was, and I don't
Speaker 13: know if that's lost now a little bit, Just like
Speaker 13: everything in life, as it goes to a different level financially,
Speaker 13: business wise, commerce, you lose a little bit of what
Speaker 13: made it so special. But the personalities made college basketball, coaching, personalities,
Speaker 13: behind the scenes, broadcasting personality larger than live. Dick Vitale
Speaker 13: obviously played a big raff as you mentioned, and I
Speaker 13: think it is a little bit of a lost art
Speaker 13: now when it comes to sports, because it's much more
Speaker 13: corporate and we're not going to have that kind of
Speaker 13: viscer rule reaction like we used to have to people
Speaker 13: that had the impact that that Sonny had.
Speaker 5: He he belongs in there, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on Rick Patino still make it. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: He's He's on the short list of greatest basketball coaches
Speaker 2: of all time. I mean really, you know the Celtics,
Speaker 2: he couldn't control the roster, didn't get Tim Duncan, but
Speaker 2: every place, like we plugged him in at Iona and
Speaker 2: we thought, oh, that's a cute lot story.
Speaker 5: And he wins anyway, Dan, he wins.
Speaker 13: This is who he is and as the rules have changed, Look,
Speaker 13: he's adapted to them. He recognized way back when you
Speaker 13: may have to do things in your way in a
Speaker 13: certain manner, and maybe you bend it when and.
Speaker 5: The situation calls for it.
Speaker 13: I think that Rick was so far ahead of his
Speaker 13: time in the eighties that eventually others picked up on
Speaker 13: it and figured it out. But the thing about Rick
Speaker 13: that still strikes me to this day is he always adjusts.
Speaker 13: He's just a great coach. He's an incredible motivator. He's
Speaker 13: a tremendous tactician. His x's and o's are through the roof.
Speaker 13: He's smart, he gets it. He understands the media side
Speaker 13: of it. He gets all of it, and you could
Speaker 13: find great coaches that get some of it. He understands
Speaker 13: every aspect of this job and the fact that he's
Speaker 13: done it so quickly. At Saint John's, I was at
Speaker 13: the garden this past weekend. It was sold out. Dan,
Speaker 13: it is a happening again. You have to go back,
Speaker 13: really to my youth in the eighties when it felt
Speaker 13: like this around New York. They've had good teams, they've
Speaker 13: had competitive teams, they haven't had this, they haven't had
Speaker 13: this kind of buzz and this kind of chain reaction
Speaker 13: in the city and it's Rick that's done.
Speaker 2: It save travels to Brooklyn tomorrow for the thank you
Speaker 2: for the nets tilt tree with Golden State, and then
Speaker 2: and then just to let you know, on Sunday you
Speaker 2: have to do Michigan and Michigan State. Hold on, let
Speaker 2: me Michigan, Michigan State, Michigan that is in east Land, Lansing. Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: And they they got a player, you know, Jason Richardson's son, Jase.
Speaker 2: He might be a top five pick in the in
Speaker 2: the draft.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I had them earlier this season at the Garden against Rutgers.
Speaker 13: He was coming off the bench. He is not coming
Speaker 13: off the bench.
Speaker 2: How do you explain Rutgers will have two of the
Speaker 2: top four players drafted and may not make the tournament.
Speaker 13: Yeah, chemistry means so much. You play basketball growing up,
Speaker 13: it was important to you. I'm sure there were years
Speaker 13: where you thought, oh, man a great individual talent and
Speaker 13: then it didn't fit. Unfortunately, it just doesn't fit or
Speaker 13: it doesn't translate into wins. But you're going to hear
Speaker 13: about those two guys, Harper and Bailey for a long
Speaker 13: time because they're going to play in the NBA for
Speaker 13: a long time.
Speaker 5: But they're going to.
Speaker 13: Look back at the fact that they didn't take advantage
Speaker 13: of the opportunity in college and there's nothing they can
Speaker 13: do about it.
Speaker 2: Like Ben Simmons didn't make the tournament at L make
Speaker 2: the tournament yep.
Speaker 5: At LSU.
Speaker 13: I actually had a game of his his freshman year.
Speaker 13: I was wowed by his skill set. Their team just
Speaker 13: wasn't that good.
Speaker 2: Tell tom Izzo, I said, alot. I will, Yeah, I will,
Speaker 2: He's great. Tell him I sett alone done.
Speaker 5: I will say it.
Speaker 2: Tell him it's, you know, getting about that time that
Speaker 2: maybe steps down and lets somebody else. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say that, No, don't don't.
Speaker 5: Hey, Dan Patrick says hello, and maybe it's time to
Speaker 5: step aside.
Speaker 2: He would appreciate it, he's got to say. Probably. Of course,
Speaker 2: I'm going to deny it when he says, I have said,
Speaker 2: he said.
Speaker 5: I will produce.
Speaker 2: You can produce that tape, all right, tape doesn't lie. Alright, thanks,
Speaker 2: all right, that's iron Eagle