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Speaker 1: Welcome to pod Beats Twirl, the podcast that once chronicled

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Speaker 1: two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars,

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Speaker 1: but watched a season and somehow walked away experts. From there,

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Speaker 1: we ventured into Traders, a show that I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: that I could win if I got on it, but

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Speaker 1: Ryder had never seen before. And now we turned to

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Speaker 1: Survivor season fifty, the big One. This time the roles

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Speaker 1: are reversed, where I have seen exactly one season, the

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Speaker 1: very first one with the naked guy, and Ryder Strong

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Speaker 1: has watched four years. We are Wilfredell, who prefers his

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Speaker 1: wilderness with room service, and Ryder Strong, who will hike

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Speaker 1: any mountain but hates the beach. Two best friends, one

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Speaker 1: devoted to the comforts of civilization, one who would never

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Speaker 1: leave the woods if he could. Both reality competition scholars

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Speaker 1: join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides, firemaking, sand

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Speaker 1: related to misery, and twenty five years of television history

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Speaker 1: culminating in a single massive season. This is pod meets Twirled,

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Speaker 1: seeking community and oh, our dear listeners. For half of

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Speaker 1: you out there, you won't care for the other half,

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh God, please tell me Will's not running

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Speaker 1: the show this week. Oh yes, he is, right or

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Speaker 1: Strong is taking a much needed vacation. He was starting

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Speaker 1: to speak in tongues and say strange things, so we

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Speaker 1: sent him.

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Speaker 2: To a beach.

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Speaker 1: And now I am here talking about Survivor. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily get it, and a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: having trouble with that. But hey, here we are, so

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into it. But you know, before

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Speaker 1: we do a couple things. First of all, I've been

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Speaker 1: reading a lot of your comments, which I think are

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Speaker 1: absolutely wonderful because of all the things that I love

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Speaker 1: more in the world, there is nothing more than fandom.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love fandom, I love nerdom. I'm a big nerd,

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Speaker 1: So I totally get it. And for the people out

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Speaker 1: there who are like, well, you're never going to get this,

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Speaker 1: you are ruining Survivor for me, that's true. Uh. I'm

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Speaker 1: working on getting it. And I'm hoping that the person

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Speaker 1: that Rider is insisting that I do this episode with

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Speaker 1: going to happen. I promise you that I'm not leaving

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Speaker 1: the most important season of Survivor in your hands. You

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Speaker 1: need a guide, you need a guru, you need a

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Speaker 1: Yoda or even a gro gu to help you determine

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Speaker 1: what Survivor fifty is all about, and just Survivor in general,

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Speaker 1: because clearly I am not getting it and I need

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Speaker 1: some help. So this week I'm being joined by somebody

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Speaker 1: who we are not only going to talk about Survivor

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Speaker 1: from beginning to end and Survivor season fifty, and of

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Speaker 1: course do a nice recap of last night's episode, well

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Speaker 1: it's actually a couple of nights ago with the way

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Speaker 1: that we're actually releasing these but last night for when

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Speaker 1: we saw it. But also somebody who can talk to

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Speaker 1: I could win if I got on it, traders, So

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Speaker 1: please help me. Welcome my partner in crime for this week,

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Speaker 1: Rob Cisternino.

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Speaker 2: I will hey, how are you? I'm doing great?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good?

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Speaker 1: I apologize that you're stuck with me and only me

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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's okay, that right is not so jealous

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Speaker 1: He's also the big, huge Survivor fan, and I am learning.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 3: I get that, But I'm here to be a bridge

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Speaker 3: for you to get the Survivor.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm trying. I swear I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, left and right.

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Speaker 2: Well, we could talk about this on the show, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like I talked to a lot.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you know my background

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Speaker 3: early days. I was on Survivor back in two thousand

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Speaker 1: Oh so that's what season three, season four or something

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Speaker 1: unlike you and Ryder, I got into podcasting and podcasting

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Speaker 2: But I did this. I started in twenty.

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Speaker 3: Ten, so I've spent the last sixteen years podcast cast

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Speaker 3: unofficial official Survivor podcast. Okay, we talk about and what

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Speaker 3: I do. It's like the ESPN of reality TV. So

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Speaker 3: guess I know that's your I've been listening to and

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just because so Traders is my jam, Survivors Riders.

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Speaker 1: Traders is my jam because I know I can win

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure, as every person who watches television,

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Speaker 1: who watches anything goes, oh, I could easily win that

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Speaker 1: I sit there, aren't sure, knowing full well that I couldn't,

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Speaker 1: So let's let's start there. How did you first get

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Speaker 3: So I got a call from a person who casts

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Speaker 2: And then they it went.

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Speaker 3: Pretty well and yeah, and then you know, I went

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Speaker 3: through the regular casting conversations. And it's a lot different

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Speaker 3: much like they are like sifting through, Okay, we're going

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Speaker 3: then you know you're kind of just like they're making

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Speaker 2: Well, it's because it was amazing.

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Speaker 1: The first of all, again, not being a Survivor a ficionado,

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Speaker 1: And the second you walked on to screen, everybody else

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Speaker 1: He's a gamer. He's going to exactly how to play

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Speaker 2: So what was that like my.

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Speaker 3: Threat level comes from that. I talk about these shows

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Speaker 2: But I do know the show particularly well.

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Speaker 3: I'm not great at playing it myself, but I do

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you say you're not great at playing it,

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Speaker 1: They're not backstabbing shows. That's not the right way to

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Speaker 3: And I feel like I wasn't necessarily great at knowing

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Speaker 3: I think I'll like logic it out eventually, but I'm

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Speaker 1: Okay that way, And I guess that's kind of an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you do need both.

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Speaker 1: Whereas writer again trying to explain to me certain things

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Speaker 3: I've been following along a little bit with your journeys

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Speaker 3: No, they call them they casual viewers, like, Hey, I

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Speaker 3: And so for Survivor, I think they get overwhelmed with

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, this is clear. It's one of the things

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Speaker 3: Yes, because this means a lot to the Survivor fans

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Speaker 3: So I think on its surface, you probably would say, like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: That's more interesting that they don't get anything. I really

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Speaker 3: But the game has moved so fast that the players

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Speaker 3: So I think that there's a mentality of the players

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Speaker 3: But historically they used to give them rice, and so

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Speaker 2: And then he would say, well, you.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, later on they'd worry about like, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: So the show took the rice away, said you have

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 3: my god, Jeff, I've been watching since I was two

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Speaker 2: They don't even know what it is.

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Speaker 3: And now they're sort of like having to forge this

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Speaker 3: And I think that's something else about the Old School

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Speaker 3: in the New Era. So you do have a much

438
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 3: faster and more accelerated gameplay in the New Era, but

439
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 3: people are just making moves for the sake of that, Okay,

440
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 3: well this person is a threat, so I have to

441
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: take them out or this person has an advantage, as

442
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 3: opposed to really getting very invested in more of the

443
00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 3: characters across the thirty nine day just a battle of wills,

444
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 3: which was the Old School Survivor.

445
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: Well it is.

446
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: It was interesting to hear the kind of the definition

447
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: between the two. I forget who said it in this episode,

448
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah right, where she's like, you know, old school, whoever

449
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 1: you were friends with, you kind of wanted to stick

450
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: with them forever. That was kind of what it was

451
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: as you formed a group and there was kind of

452
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 1: an honor among that group, and you stuck there. And

453
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: she's like, in the New School, players they just don't

454
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: work like you work with this person. One week, you

455
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: work with this person, the next week you work with

456
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: your enemy. Here you do which, again, you're right, seems

457
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: to be a more fluid way of kind of playing

458
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: what essentially is a much faster paced game than it

459
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: was back in the day. But I guess the question

460
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 1: I would ask you is, so they come to you

461
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: and they say you can do another season of Traders,

462
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 1: so you can do another season of Survivor, which one

463
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: do you take?

464
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: That would be a hard question to answer, And for me,

465
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 3: Survivor would be going home and it would be like

466
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: a sort of when I played Survivor when I was

467
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 3: twenty four years old, and so that now like half

468
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 3: of my life is gone by since I played Survivor.

469
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 3: I don't know what would be different if I played

470
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 3: Traders again, where people would, you know, go like, I'd

471
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: have to get very very fortunate with a lot of

472
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 3: things on the Traders, where I think that Survivor is

473
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: less luck based, and I feel like that maybe I

474
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: could maybe forge a path in Survivor, and I think

475
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: that there would be like my heart would say to

476
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 3: do Survivor. But I really loved getting to play The

477
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 3: Traders like it was such a fun, fun experience, and

478
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 3: you know, I would be very excited to get the

479
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 3: chance to do either of those opportunities.

480
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: Now, did you when you were watching your season of

481
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: The Traders, were you watching Rob just like he's a sociopath,

482
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: he's perfect for this. I mean, it was like amazing

483
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: watching what he was doing on that show.

484
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 3: Oh, he was absolutely incredible watching the show back when

485
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: I was there, I did not get that from him.

486
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: He was so great about him?

487
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: Was that when I was there, he seemed like totally

488
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: not interested at all. He seemed like almost like he

489
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: didn't want to be there. He was eating cookies in

490
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: the kitchen and like the asking for drinks, and he

491
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: was just not putting out the vibe at all that

492
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: he was playing a game or at all being strategic. Now,

493
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 3: I was there in the very beginning, and I think

494
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 3: that he was very smart to let Canvas really do

495
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: a lot of the work early.

496
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: On and let her be out in front.

497
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 3: I think that one of the things that I say

498
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: about The Traders is you never really want to be

499
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 3: like the alpha trader. You kind of want to be

500
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 3: the second most important trader, and so you sort of

501
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 3: like let somebody be out in front, like doing all

502
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: the things, and then you sort of want to like

503
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: lay back, and then when that person inevitably gets caught,

504
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 3: be the trader who also is like it was you

505
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: the whole time?

506
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: Will we know it so hard?

507
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's really the way you want to

508
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: be approaching the traders, if you never want to be

509
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 3: like the top dog trader.

510
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense. Okay, I'm just filing all

511
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: this way for the sure when I'm someday in the castle,

512
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: I won't be you would oh god, I would jump.

513
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: Oh I do it in a second. Yeah.

514
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: Would you be a faithfuler a trader? You know?

515
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to play as a faithful to

516
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: be honest with you, That's what I thought. Yeah, I

517
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: think there would be something fun about the who done it?

518
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: About trying to figure out who it was. There's also

519
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: I think it's harder to play as a trader. I

520
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: thought it would be harder to or excuse me, harder

521
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: to play as a faithful I thought it was going

522
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: to be harder to play as a trader, But the

523
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: more I was watching, it's like, no, I think it's

524
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: much harder to play as as a faithful, So, yeah,

525
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: there's something kind of interesting about that, But I.

526
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: Would it flips.

527
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: I think it's in the beginning it's harder to play

528
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: as a faithful because you are really just working off

529
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: of nothing.

530
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: You're going off the vibes.

531
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 3: You know, the game is designed that the faithful are

532
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: probably going to be wrong at least six or seven

533
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: times over the course of the season. It's easy in

534
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: the beginning to be the trader just sitting back, go

535
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: up in the turret, pick out at person. But at

536
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: some point it flips where it's insanely hard to.

537
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: Be a trader.

538
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: At the end of the game, when you get down

539
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: to like five people and now it's like everybody's looking

540
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: at everybody, you really have to work so hard.

541
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: And it's also a war.

542
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: Of attrition where that if you're a trader, you're on

543
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: a schedule that's so much harder than everybody else because

544
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: it's late nights at the castle, and then you spend

545
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: like an extra couple of hours going up to the

546
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: turret and filming whatever other trader business you have to do,

547
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: and then you have to show up the next day

548
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: and not act like you're more tired than everybody else.

549
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: God, I didn't even think about that.

550
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: Logistically, just the shooting schedule of being a trader, of course,

551
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: is going to be a lot harder than being a

552
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: faithful And I think it's.

553
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: Doubly hard for and probably like maybe triply hard for

554
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: the women for like, say like Candace and Lisa, and

555
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: I like to cite Canvas because she her makeup was

556
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: on point, always.

557
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: Outfits or were great.

558
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: If Kansas showed up at the castle one day looking

559
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: like hell, that you would say like, oh, Kansas, what

560
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 3: the hell?

561
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: What happened to you? Where? You know? Rob? I do

562
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: think I had an advantage.

563
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: Where he probably just like splashed the water on his face,

564
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 3: showed up.

565
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: He didn't have to do all that.

566
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: But Canvas was probably waking up, you know, an hour

567
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: or two early to do hair and makeup before she

568
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: showed up at the castle after a night of being

569
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: a trader.

570
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: And so you're on less sleep than everybody else.

571
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: And so I think that after a shooting schedule of

572
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, I think that really does start

573
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: to pile up.

574
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: God, I didn't even think about that. That's so absolutely true. Okay,

575
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: So what we got to hop into our episode of

576
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: Survivor recap, but before we do, because you are, as

577
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: you said, you're essentially we have to put quotes around it,

578
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: but we don't. You're You're the.

579
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: Official podcast of Survivor.

580
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: I'm just calling it.

581
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 3: It was an official podcast of Survivor, but they stopped

582
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 3: doing it.

583
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: They did You're the You're the official podcast of Survivor.

584
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: So I imagine you've spoken to most of the contestants,

585
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: You've watched the shows, You've seen everything that's happened. Who's

586
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: your favorite Survivor of all time?

587
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: Oh? That's really really tough, you know. I would say

588
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: my favorite Survivor that I've got to watch was Tony.

589
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: And Tony is a player I don't know if I

590
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: want to spoil too many of the seasons, Okay, he

591
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: was just a character that I've described.

592
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: As a unicorn.

593
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: We're usually in Survivor you have players who are great

594
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: characters or great players, and a lot of times the

595
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: best players aren't always the most interesting characters. They want

596
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: things very orderly and they keep the game from getting

597
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: too chaotic. Tony and I think that his first season

598
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: Survivor Kagi on, which had a theme. I really think

599
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: that Survivor needs more themes where I think it's a

600
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 3: great hook to get people in. That theme was Brains

601
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: versus Beauty versus Braun. So there was one tribe that

602
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: was Brains, one tribe that was Braun, and one tripe

603
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: that was beauty. And it was a really interesting season,

604
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 3: great cast, lots of blindsides and chaotic gameplay, and Tony

605
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: was the king of playing this really super chaotic game

606
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: that was also very interesting strategically, and I didn't agree

607
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: with a lot of the moves that he made, but

608
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 3: it was one of the most action packed seasons that

609
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: you could have hoped for.

610
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: Which which tribe was he on? Was he Brain, Braun

611
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: or Ben? He was bron Okay, so.

612
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: He's actually a New York I sorry, New Jersey police officer.

613
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: Oh okay, it looks kind of like a Vin Diesel.

614
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: Is a little bit like a mini Vin Diesel. Okay.

615
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to go back and start watching

616
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: all these because it's pretty important I think for me.

617
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: I think it would be interesting if you checked out

618
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: one of the older seasons that you to see if

619
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: you might have like a little bit more of a

620
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: connection with jumping in and not having to have known

621
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: the backstory on people.

622
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: That makes sense. All right, Well, let's get into our episode.

623
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: So this was day twelve on the on the island.

624
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: Day twelve of twenty fours were also we're halfway from

625
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: twenty six, so we're essentially by the end of this episode,

626
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: we're halfway through our time on the island, and we

627
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: are at the Seala tribe the morning after they voted

628
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: Charlie out. Jonathan was blindsided, but kind of handled it

629
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: pretty well. I thought, frankly, this was not Ozzy last week,

630
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: who was like, Wow, you really screwed me over. This

631
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: was He kind of took it on the chin a

632
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: little bit. What did you think about that?

633
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't really in Survivor when you come back

634
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: from a blindside tribal council that act like hey, I'm

635
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: mad at you.

636
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm mad at you because now you're on the bottom.

637
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: Now you have to go instantly from playing from a

638
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: position of strength, which Jonathan thought he was into now

639
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: having to kiss ass being on the bottom of things,

640
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: and so you saw deconnecting with him and so he

641
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: felt like, Okay, well let me just see if I

642
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: can like piece things back together and they're not just

643
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: gonna pick me off next.

644
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: That's really it's the constant. I don't know how you

645
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: sleep with stuff like that, just wondering who's coming for you.

646
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: But then we see boats showing up for every single

647
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: tribe and we hear apparently again I apologize for being

648
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: such a neophyte, but this is a big day on Survivor.

649
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: This is merge Day.

650
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: Merge day, yes, not swap Day, which was a couple

651
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, right, and this is this is the

652
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: merge where now all the Survivor tribes come together and

653
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 3: the game becomes individual.

654
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so the thing that that I'm I'm still trying

655
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: to piece together. So it was merge day, but they're

656
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: still kind of battling as individual tribes.

657
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: And then they're not on the jury. Yeah, I know,

658
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: it's it's it's.

659
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: The not being on the jury is like, that's still

660
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: that's been a part of the things. The jury is

661
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: only so many people, and they've merged with more people

662
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: than there are on the jury.

663
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: So that's not that, you know, unusual in terms of

664
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: the Survivor.

665
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: But what is unusual, and they've done this a lot

666
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: in the New Era, it's like, hey, you're merged, and

667
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: now you're going to vote separately. Well, no, the idea

668
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: was that you said we're merged, you said were we're

669
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: We're back. All is one, And for whatever reason, they

670
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: love to in that they had I'll give you some

671
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: more back. So in the New Era, that was season

672
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: so after they came back from COVID, they they sort

673
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: of tried to do like a little bit of a

674
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: reboot of the show. A lot of people discovered Survivor

675
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: during COVID, and so there was a lot of hype

676
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: for Survivor to come back. It had taken a year off,

677
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: and they ended up developing this game which was.

678
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: Based off of the idea.

679
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: Jeff had this whole other idea for the game, which

680
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: was around this idea of fire tokens of like almost

681
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: it was gonna be kind of like a board game.

682
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: And Mike White of this season of the White Lotus

683
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: that Jeff would bounce a lot of ideas off of him,

684
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: and Jeff went through his whole whiteboard pitch to Mike White,

685
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: and Mike White said, but is it that fun? And

686
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: Jeff's like, you're right, and he threw out the whole thing,

687
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: and so they came up to say, it's a dangerous fun.

688
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: And part of the idea of dangerous fun was, hey,

689
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: small tribes, nowhere to hide.

690
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: Everything has got to be in a small group, where

691
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: in old school Survivor often there would be tribes of ten,

692
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: and so as long as you weren't like really causing

693
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: a scene, you could sort of be under the radar.

694
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: Right skate through and skate through.

695
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: And they really wanted to throw that out. We don't

696
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: want people skating by. So they were never gonna let

697
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: you have a vote with seventeen people. So they came

698
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: up with this idea to now, oh what if we

699
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: put them into groups of five, and so we'll have

700
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: now in these small groups, you know, there's really gonna

701
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: be nowhere to hide and really tense votes that happen.

702
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: And so we got this big twist for this episode,

703
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: which I'm sure we'll talk about. And is that now

704
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: is this par for the course?

705
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: So are they get every week going to vote as

706
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: three separate groups of five or now I'd.

707
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: Be surprised next week if they do a vote of fourteen.

708
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: I think that that seems like a big vote for Survivor.

709
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll put them into two groups

710
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: of seven potentially, but I think that the Survivor fans,

711
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: especially the hard course of our fans, like, well, let's say, hey,

712
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: can we just let them play survive at some point

713
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: and not stop putting them because when you do these

714
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: random groupings that there are going to be people, there's

715
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: so much variance there. You're going to see people who

716
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: were playing pretty good games get picked off just because

717
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: they got unlucky with this tribe grouping that they got

718
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: put in.

719
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

720
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean, is there a possibility that this exile thing becomes,

721
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, something they do every week to exile to

722
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: people next week and then there's two teams of six?

723
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: I mean, is that a possibility or it's it's look,

724
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take it off the table. And I do like.

725
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: That they've had exile in this season, but it is

726
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: a rare thing for them to have Exile Island at

727
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: this point. It used to be a part of the

728
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: show in the earlier days where they would send one

729
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: person to Exile Island and they would really they would

730
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: really spend more time doing the type of thing that

731
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: I think you'd be interested in of like, Okay, I'm

732
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: here by myself on this island, right, and I'm sort

733
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: of like having to survive there. And they used to

734
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 3: hide the idol at Exile Island also, you'd go to

735
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: Exile Island, get a clue and be looking for the

736
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: idol there.

737
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: Also.

738
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: Now they've just sort of like used it as a

739
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: way to sort of isolate people, to get them out

740
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: of the main action.

741
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: But I like that they're doing it with a buddy.

742
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was interesting to see, especially if it's you

743
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: have to pick that, you have to pick somebody and

744
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: they can't say no. That was interesting. Okay, So they're

745
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: all had a tavatu to become a collective tribe. It's

746
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: the largest merge in history. We talked about with seventeen.

747
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: They usually merged with about ten or thirteen people, but

748
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: some of them are the thing that amazes me is

749
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: they're introducing each other like they're introducing themselves, like we've

750
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: been on the same show for weeks. We all came

751
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: in together. But it's like, hey, Coach, it's nice to

752
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: meet you, and oh my god.

753
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: So it's like so so Christian goes to Coach like hey, oh, coach,

754
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: Nice to meet you.

755
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: He's joking.

756
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: Obviously he knows he may not have ever met Coach

757
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 3: in person, but I think he's a little bit pretending, like, oh,

758
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: I know, what was your name again? Like so right,

759
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: So they know at least of each other because they're

760
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: fach other and maybe some of them like have seen

761
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: each other in the pregame and they obviously they flew

762
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: to Fiji together, but they didn't have the chance to

763
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: really talk because they've never been on this same beaches together.

764
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, these survivors are very familiar with each other.

765
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the merge is certainly not getting in the

766
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: way of Genevieve and Aubrey's feud, which is this a

767
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: few this is where it's like, is this is from

768
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: a former season obviously, right, No, this is from now.

769
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 2: They just don't like each other, Okay.

770
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I thought there was some backstory to the Oh okay, no,

771
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: just don't like each other fair enough.

772
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

773
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: I think that for whatever reason, Aubrey I think was

774
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: more of I was talking about with Traders. I think

775
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: Aubrey's a really big vibes person and for whatever reason,

776
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: she felt like that the vibes with Genevieve just were

777
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: not there.

778
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: And then she was a little bit aloof with.

779
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 3: Dealing with Genevieve, and I think that Genevieve is a

780
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: very shrewd player. Said hey, I'm not liking how this

781
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: is going, and then she then progressed to go all

782
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: in of like okay, well, Aubrey's obviously going to be

783
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: the person who's out, and then you know, it just

784
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: like kept, you know, feeding each other from both sides.

785
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: It was pretty amazing because not to jump ahead, but

786
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: actually Bible Council, it was she Genevieve essentially says like

787
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: and then you've got people on the opposite polar ends

788
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: of the spectrum, meaning like we could never work together.

789
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: And it's like, wow, that was that was a big

790
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: shot in the dark. That's why I assumed this was

791
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: a feud that had gone back season. So yeah, I

792
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: don't think they ever met each They never met each other,

793
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: and they hate each other this much is kind of great.

794
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: Uh So the next morning, the merged tribe they receive

795
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: a note there is no merge fest or no excuse me,

796
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: no merge feast, yes, or or a fest or a

797
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: fest either one well, fest feast music festival.

798
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: That last episode, I saw what two episodes ago they had.

799
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: Co Can you explain this to me that Jeff said

800
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: that this uh speaker, Well, I'm sure we'll talk about Applebe's.

801
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: But Jeff said it was the best reward of the season.

802
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: It's like I thought Zach Brown was the best reward

803
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: of all time.

804
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: Make it make sense? Is a great well.

805
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: I also can't make sense that nobody with the Billie

806
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: Idish Isola is calling it the Billie Idol likes.

807
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: Still don't get why nobody's put that together.

808
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: I don't think they're allowed to. I think that for

809
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: whatever the actual reason, I think they have to say

810
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: the I have the Billie Irish. Oh yeah, I think

811
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: so too. They have to say trademark.

812
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So they learned that there is a twist hidden

813
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: in the jungle, and so people scatter and they're running

814
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: through everything. They even go through Christian, who's talking about

815
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: how he's got a you know, landmark tree. No landmark tree, No,

816
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: you got to somehow try to map the island out,

817
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: which is crazy, And after Rizzo walks right by it, Yeah,

818
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: finally Ozzie finds it.

819
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: It was funny.

820
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: So I just got back from Atlanta where I went

821
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: to there was another Survivor player, Ron Clark, who he

822
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: is actually a very famous outside of Survivor for his

823
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: teaching academy that he has in Atlanta, and he had

824
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: a big event there inviting about seventy different Survivor players.

825
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: So teaching Survivor, no no, no, no, no, no, no, he teaches.

826
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: He he has an academy that we're teach, educators, come

827
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: and learn and that.

828
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: But he was on Survivor on season thirty eight.

829
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: OK. He is a big Survivor fan. So he had

830
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: this like big event and there was a bunch of

831
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: the Survivor current and past players there and Rizzo was

832
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: there in the audience watching the episode and got to

833
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: see for the first time that because you don't you

834
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: don't he obviously nobody told him that. He Oh, yeah,

835
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: you walked right past the idol and that's that's a tough.

836
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: Moment that he's like, ah, it was right there.

837
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: Well, that's I mean, that's one of the things that

838
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: writer and I talk about, or have spoken about, is

839
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: the fact that that's gonna be a tough thing because

840
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: you're thinking the show is going one way, you're having

841
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: conversations with people, and then when you watch it back,

842
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: it's people talking about you in a way that it's like,

843
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: oh wow, they either just lied right to me or

844
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: they obviously don't like me and they're lying. That's got

845
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: to be pretty tough to sit there and listen to

846
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: what people really think about you.

847
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean that's reality TV, though so much of

848
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: it at all.

849
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: I know you don't like that part of it, but

850
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: that's that's it.

851
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: That's the begin And you know I certainly experienced that

852
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: with the Try Traders. Uh yeah, sure, when you know

853
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: in my Traders experience, I got murdered in plain sight

854
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: and I felt like, okay, I knew a murder on

855
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 3: plane side was happening. And then I went to bed

856
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: that night and I woke up the next morning they

857
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: said you're dead.

858
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: You got murdered in planes.

859
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, how I didn't do anything? And I said, okay,

860
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: what what happened? And they said, oh, we can't tell you.

861
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: Why not, They said, but you'll see when it happened.

862
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: So I was like, I don't know what, but what

863
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: I do? They said, oh, well, you'll you'll see one day.

864
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: Do they really do? The producers just come up to

865
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: you and just go by the way you were murdered.

866
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: It's just like that.

867
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: So you well, you think you're going to breakfast, and

868
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: then they bring you to.

869
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: A different room. Oh god, where they sit there in

870
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: the chair.

871
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: No salmon and a murder. That is a bad morning

872
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: on traders.

873
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: It's like, well, and you know where the room is

874
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 2: for breakfast. It's like, why then, why are you taking

875
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: me here. It's a little bit like you know you're

876
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: getting you know you're going to the vet to.

877
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: We're going to the dog park. And then it's like, Mark, No,

878
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: that sucks. So Ozzie chooses for Rizzo to go with him.

879
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: From a game standpoint, game playing standpoint, did you think

880
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: this was a good call to pull him out of

881
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: the game with him?

882
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: It was interesting because it seemed like that Suri had

883
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: her two allies. She called it her polyamorous relationship that

884
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: she was cultivating, and so I think ultimately it was

885
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: good because it seemed like that he's shoring up another

886
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: different group that he could work with. So I think

887
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: it actually worked out good for Ozzy, and I actually

888
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: enjoy watching Rizzo, who we just saw play last season

889
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: with to see him from the New Guard anytime he's

890
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: with some of the older legends of the show. I

891
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: do think that it's like a fun buddy cop sort

892
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: of MASSI I can't see the rookie and the veteran.

893
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: It did.

894
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: It reminded me of Suri kind of wanting to work

895
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: with both of them. But it's like getting two cats

896
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: that don't like each other, so you have to cover

897
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: them in tuna fish and just put them in a

898
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: room and let them lick each other clean so they.

899
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: Get to be friends. That person, is that what you

900
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: do will apparently this is what I've heard.

901
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: You cover them in tuna juice and you put them

902
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: in a room and then they just lick each other clean,

903
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: and then they're friends.

904
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: That's kind of what it seemed like.

905
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: We're exiling you to become team Serree, which is what

906
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: it seems like, and then we get to see something

907
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: really interesting for me anyway, because I'm not used to this.

908
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone in Survivor is. But we're starting to

909
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: see our first ever individual immunity challenge, which so this

910
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: is my first one. And apparently sixty three percent of

911
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: the fans voted for new twists this season and today's

912
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: twist is described as a survivor blood Moon and three

913
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: players are going to be sent home. Has that ever

914
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: been done? Where three at one four?

915
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: We've had double tribal counsels before, We've never had the

916
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: triple tribal council. Would you think about you know, Jeff

917
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: set this all up. Were you following the logic of

918
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: the blood Moon war?

919
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: And why then? And then three people are getting voted

920
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: out to night?

921
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: I didn't, And I guess it came back later at

922
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: tribal council where I guess they talk about video game,

923
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: So maybe it's a big thing in video I'm a

924
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: huge and you can see behind me, a huge fantasy fan.

925
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: These are all my fantasy novels. There's not a lot

926
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: of blood Moon stuff. Maybe it's a vampire thing or

927
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: a lichen thing.

928
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

929
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think it sounded ominous and

930
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: that's why they went with it. But yeah, we had

931
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: all the first ever three person of elimination episode, which

932
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: is a lot.

933
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you're getting three people out as you know that.

934
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: To me, it seems like now everybody's going to start

935
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: to scramble for positioning, especially now you've got immunity up

936
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: and so okay, so today's.

937
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 3: Challenge better for you or worse that they did three

938
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: tribal councils.

939
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it mattered to me either way. If

940
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm totally honest with you, I think it's going to

941
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: be I was. I was confused at this point of

942
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: Merge Day, and then it was still three separate tribes,

943
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: so that the confused me. To me, it just meant

944
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: Merge Day was like, oh, you're taking the three tribes

945
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: and you're just putting them on a beach together where

946
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: you're not actually a tribe together. And then they were

947
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: starting to talk about the jury and how the people

948
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: kicked out today weren't going to be part of the jury.

949
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: So then if you're kicked out from now on, you're

950
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 1: part of the j am. I getting that right, Okay,

951
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: So that makes sense so that it'll vote for the

952
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: winner at the end. Okay, So that okay, I get that.

953
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: But I guess this was a classic immunity challenge, one

954
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: that's been around for a while, where they're balancing on

955
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: the narrow footholds and you're this is the other thing

956
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: I would have liked. I would have liked some sort

957
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: of a time clock. I would like to have known.

958
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: How long they were on there, how long.

959
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: They had to go before they had to get to

960
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: the next one, which would have been better for me.

961
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: But hey, so they're balancing on the narrow footholds. Whoever,

962
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: so they're still in their three tribes. Yes, whoever lasts

963
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: longest amongst the tribe gets immunity from that tribe, and

964
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: then whoever lasts the longest amongst all of them not

965
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: only gets immunity for themselves, but they also win the

966
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: big prize for their whole tribe.

967
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: Apple Bee's, which is Applebee's.

968
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Jeff walks through the Applebee's menu like I'm sitting there

969
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: and he's a waiter describing to me everything at the

970
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: Applebee's menu.

971
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: It's hey, beautiful.

972
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: Product placement, Yeah, placement has historically always been a part

973
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: of Survivor, going back to the very beginning of the

974
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: show where Mark Burnett sold the show to CBS and

975
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 3: basically that.

976
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: They wouldn't give him that much money.

977
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: So Mark Burnett went to sponsors, and so you had

978
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: like Target and bud Light, and there was almost every

979
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: single reward challenge would be and then you'd see the

980
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: Survivors go Berserko for doritos.

981
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, smart, I mean smart.

982
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: It was a really big part of the show in

983
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: the very early days, so we don't have too many

984
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 3: product placement challenges.

985
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: But Jeff really will sell your thing.

986
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: And how would I mean, my gud do you watch

987
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: him do something like that as somebody. If I was

988
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: somebody who owned.

989
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: A business like that, I'd be like, get me on Survivor.

990
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: I want this guy to sell my product. I don't

991
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: know why though that Jeff, and he does. He puts

992
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: everything into it, but he turns into like a ninety

993
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: year old grandma talking about this.

994
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: He's like, you're gonna have the burbing Street burger. I'm

995
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: gonna give you. You're gonna have bacon. You're gonna have

996
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: mayblewood smoked bacon. You're gonna love the apple wood smoked bacon.

997
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: Oh god, it was really great, though he kept why

998
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: are you talking like this?

999
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: Say what you want? Though.

1000
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: The man commits to every bit in the show. He

1001
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: really does, which is pretty incredible.

1002
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: He puts it, he puts it all out there.

1003
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: I do want to add one thing about the challenges

1004
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: and maybe why they don't give you as much of

1005
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: the lapse time as they used to. And so one

1006
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: of the things with Survivor where and I think that

1007
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: this is like we see this across many things, like

1008
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: like hey, used to go to a restaurant and it

1009
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 3: was like one way forever, and now you go there

1010
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: like it's not that good anymore. Like they're really like

1011
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: put And so with Survivor, I think that they're under

1012
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: such pressure to like, okay, twenty six days, we got

1013
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: to keep things going. We've got three tribal councils to

1014
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: get to here tonight. I think that the footholds used

1015
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: to be bigger or or they would spend more time

1016
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: on the foothold. So these endurance challenges in the old

1017
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: days would go for five hours. Now I think that

1018
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: they really designed them to go about fifteen to twenty minutes.

1019
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if they give you the lapse time,

1020
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: because I think if you heard it, it might be unimpressive.

1021
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: And if there's any of the survivors that are listening,

1022
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: like hey, Stephanie la Grosse says like hey, Rob, hey listen, idiot,

1023
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: I was up there for nine hours right exactly, that

1024
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: they've made a lot of the challenges like the classic

1025
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: Survivor challenges, they've made them similar but actually a lot

1026
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: more difficult to do, So they go faster so.

1027
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: That they can get on with the rest of the day.

1028
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: That makes sense, especially if they're truncating the show by

1029
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: two weeks. I mean that makes sense. I would just

1030
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: slowly have the foothold start to heat up or spikes

1031
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: something like that. So this is where I would go

1032
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: with it.

1033
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: I know, Mikes that you would really love Australian Survivor.

1034
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: They would do some endurance challenges that are really torturous.

1035
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: What is it with Australia? The whole country wants you dead?

1036
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: Even the game shows want you dead. I don't. It's

1037
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: really amazing. Then they're, by the way, beautiful placed people,

1038
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: but man, it's like you wake up in the hotel

1039
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: room next to a spider and a crab that's three

1040
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: times the size of your bed. It's really strange. So

1041
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: d ends up winning Immunity and Immunity is a very small,

1042
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: tasteful necklace.

1043
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: They're very.

1044
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: Voted for very small, tasteful, really unassuming necklace. No, they

1045
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: a giant eagle head kind of sure, almost Egyptian goddess

1046
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: looking kind of necklace, which wins immunity, and she so

1047
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: d wins immunity. Christian wins immunity, and then Stephanie wins immunity,

1048
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: and she also lasts a longest, so she wins.

1049
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: Apple's for her group, which is great.

1050
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: And this is when I was like, Wow, they're really

1051
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: totally forgetting about Ozzie and Rizzil. Apparently that's just I'm

1052
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: never gonna see them again.

1053
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: You're not going to see them again. I think that

1054
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: that was they were off on the road. Can I

1055
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: give you some Applebee's lore?

1056
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 2: Please? Yes? Okay.

1057
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: So one of the most fun Survivor moments years happened

1058
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: in Survivor forty six when there was this woman named

1059
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: Liz who she had a lot of food allergies and

1060
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: she could not eat a lot of the food that

1061
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: was on the island that was there.

1062
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: So there was Q who was from earlier this season.

1063
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: He won a reward and it was Applebee's and he

1064
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: got to take three people with him to Applebee's and Liz,

1065
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: in addition to having these food allergies, it turns out

1066
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: that she goes to Applebee's every week with her daughter

1067
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: and she watches survivor. That's part of their ritual. And

1068
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: she goes and eats the cheeseburger that they had, which

1069
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: happens to be what she could eat, and it was

1070
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: a total emotional.

1071
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 2: Thing for her.

1072
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: And they said, Q, pick three people, and he picked

1073
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: three different people that were not Liz. And people said, hey,

1074
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 3: i'll switch, I'll switch as a list. He said, no,

1075
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 3: you cannot. You cannot give your spot to Liz. And

1076
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: she had a all time historic survivor crash out was

1077
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: just this and she Q.

1078
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: You blew up my old gape, extreamed at Q. Did

1079
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: he do it on purpose to make her kind of

1080
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: unbalanced in the moment?

1081
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: Or I don't think so. But he would not budge.

1082
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: He was not She was not going to convince him

1083
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: that she should go to Applebee's.

1084
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh okay, I have to see that.

1085
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: And what a great commercial for Applebee's that was that

1086
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: a grown woman just had like a total total breakdown

1087
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: over not getting to go to Applebee's.

1088
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: How do you not make that a commercial for Applebee's.

1089
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that would be the best commercial.

1090
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: But again my head went to you have not eaten

1091
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: in days and now you're powering down blue romulin ale

1092
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: drinks and you and you're the giant sharper.

1093
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: Please yes, does it?

1094
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: I have to imagine this, You've spoken all the survivors.

1095
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: Doesn't this mess with your digestion in any way, shape

1096
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: or form.

1097
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: Certainly can, And so I think what happens is that.

1098
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: So without getting into uh, you know, I don't get graphic,

1099
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 3: but a lot of times the survivors are very backed up.

1100
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: Your body when you are go into shock, Now your

1101
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: body is going to like start like okay, I'm holding

1102
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: everything in. And so the survivors having gone to the bathroom,

1103
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 3: many of them for two weeks, Now, oh god, that

1104
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: can't be healthy. And so it's you know, it's not ideal.

1105
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: And so then and and you know, to give the

1106
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: survivor producers the benefit of the doubt, perhaps you know

1107
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why they say, okay, twenty six days,

1108
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: it's also maybe.

1109
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: Better for you than thirty nine.

1110
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

1111
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: And so now you know you ingest and and you're

1112
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: sort of you know, you're trying not to overdo it

1113
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: because then if you overdo it, it can come back up.

1114
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you're gonna throw it all up.

1115
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, but then also a lot of times then

1116
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 3: you see the survivors getting like incredible stomach pains and

1117
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: then ultimately, uh, now that they had not gone in

1118
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 3: a very long time, and now all of a sudden

1119
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 3: they have there's an urgency.

1120
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: They stopped going.

1121
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: Well, Christian went in his pants in like the second episode.

1122
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was I'm not sure exactly what the cause.

1123
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: That to me seemed like a overdoing it with coconut.

1124
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: Right right, Well, it's a natural axative coat.

1125
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 3: Natural active, and so for the survivors here, it's like

1126
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: a you know, a push pull of like how do I,

1127
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: you know, put like can I how do I put

1128
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: four thousand calories five thousand calories into my system to

1129
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 3: last me through the next couple of days without now

1130
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: overdoing it to the point where I'm in the fetal

1131
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: position for earlier too.

1132
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: That's see, That's what I thought, is like you would

1133
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,959
Speaker 1: just oh got gastro intestinely anyway. Sorry, So the winning

1134
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: team arrives at the Sanctuary for their Applebee's feast. That's

1135
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: really great. This is, of course, after we get a

1136
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: little bit of Ozzie and Rizzo on the island licking

1137
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: the tuna fish off of each other just for the visual.

1138
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: There you go. So they both, at least at this

1139
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: point claim because this is the way this show works.

1140
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm starting to realize they're all just claims until you

1141
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: back them up. Claim that they're in together with the

1142
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: alliance with Suri. So as far as we know, at

1143
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: least now their team siie is what I would say

1144
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: at this point.

1145
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: So one of the.

1146
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: Losing groups is strategizing back of camp and that's just

1147
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: when Aubrey and Genevieve were paired in the same group

1148
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: and then going head to head Genevieve is this is

1149
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: where now it's just kind of talking about that. Now,

1150
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: this is where I have a problem with the show.

1151
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: Where Survivor fans love the show, where the next hour

1152
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: is now just cutting to people talking about who they're

1153
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: going to vote for, and that's kind of the show

1154
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: is it's just I'm gonna vote for this person.

1155
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: Well, let me go down and talk to this person.

1156
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to vote for, And I get this is

1157
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: the game play, this is what the Survivor fans want.

1158
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: And this is where me, as a new fan coming in,

1159
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going, Okay, it's just talking heads kind

1160
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: of in high school, talking about who they'reing to vote

1161
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: for and who they're not going to vote for. And

1162
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: this is why I'm trying to wrap my head around

1163
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: it a little more and trying to get better with this.

1164
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 3: You know, it's again, it's hard for the producers because

1165
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: it's like, hey, we want big explosive moments in the show,

1166
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: and so we want there to be a lot of

1167
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: you know, tribal councils and blind sides, and so you know,

1168
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: they end up creating moments like this as far as

1169
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 3: there not being anything having to do with like the

1170
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: survival elements.

1171
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: It's really now it's like, hey, they're trying to get

1172
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 2: through this day.

1173
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: That going back to that idea of you know, the

1174
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: dangerous fun small groups of having to fight for your

1175
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: life constantly, sure in the game, but it really ends

1176
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 3: up being kind of a foregone conclusion in most of

1177
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: these groups ultimately just based off of who had relationships

1178
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 3: of whom coming in. So there's not as much intrigue

1179
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: in these three votes as maybe you would.

1180
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 2: Have hoped, where there's a little bit more of a scramble.

1181
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: Sure did you were you able to kind of call

1182
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: who was going to go home before or even got there.

1183
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: It felt like, yeah, I mean, it seemed like that

1184
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: Genevieve was sort of dead to rights. And with Genevieve

1185
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: that she was with Aubrey, who with somebody who she

1186
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: had not been working with, but also she was with

1187
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: the guys who sent Aubrey the idol from the other group,

1188
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: So out of anybody else in the game, it was

1189
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: really like the worst.

1190
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: Possible draw that Genevieve could have gotten in this group.

1191
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really yeah, that's very interesting. So one of

1192
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: the things that I have been seeing more and more

1193
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: of on social media, and I kind of take anything.

1194
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 2: From social media the Internet with a grain of salt.

1195
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: But you keep seeing obviously reality TV you put quotes

1196
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: around reality producers, editors, directors, they all want to push

1197
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: in air, not push is the wrong word. They can

1198
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: help to construct a narrative, and some characters the real people,

1199
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: but characters on the show tend to get more screen

1200
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: time than others. And some of the former contestants are

1201
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: coming out kind of saying it might be a little

1202
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: bit of a sexist kind of vibe, a little misogynistic.

1203
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: It seems like it's more based on the men than

1204
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: on the women, and some of the people on the

1205
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: show are really not getting enough screen time.

1206
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: Do you agree with this?

1207
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: Can you see this as a kind of a legitimate

1208
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: complaint by some of the contestants or is it more like, Hey,

1209
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna take the best stories they have of that

1210
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: week and try to push that narrative.

1211
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a couple of the contestants.

1212
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: Angelina really was the first person last week who said

1213
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: it about the edit, but then a bunch of the

1214
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: other women who have been under edited in this season

1215
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: have talked about this, and it's something that the Survivor players.

1216
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 3: You come out there and this was discussed a little

1217
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: bit in the Charlie Troupal councilor like, hey, everybody's the

1218
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 3: hero of their own story, and then you see the episodes.

1219
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: It's like, wait, hold on, I was the main character.

1220
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: Where's all my stories?

1221
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: And so historically, while there have been some women who

1222
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: have gotten a lot of airtime, there's many women who

1223
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: are legends of the show. It does feel as though

1224
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: Survivor will consistently give almost all of the men a

1225
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: fair share of and there's certainly some exceptions, but sure

1226
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: you know that it seems like that they do a

1227
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 3: better job of telling the stories of the male characters

1228
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: than some of the women who get left by. And

1229
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: I think that if you go throughout the history of

1230
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: the show, I think it's specifically a lot of the

1231
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 3: younger women. I feel like that they struggle with having

1232
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: to tell their story. And so in this season you

1233
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: have one I think there's a lot of factors that

1234
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: go into it, but in this season, you have one

1235
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: tribe that has been to tribal council so much, and

1236
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: really you see more people, see more of people when

1237
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: they go to tribal councils, and some of the women

1238
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 3: they haven't been to tribal councils at all, and so

1239
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: they've had less screen time in the show.

1240
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: There are people that they count the confessionals.

1241
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: So the confessionals are sort of like the talking head

1242
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: segments that they do, and so there are lots of

1243
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 3: people who, for a variety of reasons, including trying to

1244
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: predict who's gonna win the season, they count the confessionals

1245
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: that players get, and so this is sort of like

1246
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 3: the box score of who's getting the most screen time

1247
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: in the show, And if you look at it, a

1248
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: lot of the women have gotten less screen time and

1249
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: talking heads than the male players, who they've done a

1250
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: better job of telling their stories. So you've seen some

1251
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: of the women speaking out, You've seen some of the

1252
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: fans getting upset about, Hey, why is Survivor like this?

1253
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be that we're showing everybody equally. I

1254
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: think the show has struggled with twenty four players. And

1255
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: then also you have some of these players who are

1256
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: really legendary talkers, like somebody I know, Coach is one

1257
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: of your favorites and he's come back, and so.

1258
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: He's a character, is what he is? Yeah, Yeah, he's

1259
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 2: going to talk and chew up a lot of screen time.

1260
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: So it is hard.

1261
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: And the only thing that I can say is that,

1262
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: you know, not everybody's story has been told yet. In

1263
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 3: the case of Angelina and Camilla, I do think it's

1264
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 3: a disappointment to not have seen more of what they

1265
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: had going on. And for everybody else, you know, you

1266
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: have to see that maybe we do get more of

1267
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: their story going forward.

1268
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: They do seem to develop the men's stories more than

1269
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: the women's stories. I mean, again, as somebody who doesn't

1270
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: know the show at all, doesn't know the history at all.

1271
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: I know a lot more of the men's names than

1272
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: I do the women. Where it's like when I see

1273
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: of course, when I see d or some of the

1274
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: kind of the Suri, some of the ones that are

1275
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: kind of the louder speakers, or for instance, this last

1276
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: of this episode we're talking about, they did kind of

1277
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 1: focus more on the Aubrey Genevieve Genevieve thing going on, right,

1278
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: but it's like, ooh, the women are fighting right then

1279
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: it's almost there's yeah, there's almost a there's almost a

1280
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: version of that kind of going on. So yeah, it's

1281
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: interesting to see. And again we all know that it's

1282
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: reality TV. There's nothing's real quote unquote, I mean they

1283
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: are they are still trying to push a narrative of

1284
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: the show that they want to put out there. So

1285
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: but it was it was interesting to see us. I

1286
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: think somebody said, and it might have been I apologized

1287
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: to the name that you said. Who was who came

1288
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: the first one to come out and really talk about

1289
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: it last week?

1290
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: Angelina?

1291
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: Angelina.

1292
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: You know, Survivor has struggled with this type of issue

1293
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: all throughout the history of the show. And I will

1294
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: say to the producer's credit. They do. They have tried

1295
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: to improve things a lot, and it certainly is not perfect.

1296
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: That Survivor had its own reckoning with race. Really after

1297
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, where after everything with George Floyd, a lot

1298
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: of the black players and other minorities talked about, Hey,

1299
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: you know, I was on a tribe and it was

1300
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: really this was really unfair. I felt like that my

1301
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 3: story wasn't really being told. And so Survivor really did

1302
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: do a lot once it came back after COVID to

1303
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: try to address that. And so Survivor is not perfect.

1304
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: They have a lot of things that they can improve on.

1305
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: I do feel like that they you care deeply about

1306
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: trying to get it right, and I have no doubt

1307
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 3: that they will.

1308
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: Be looking to improve this in the future. But for

1309
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: the people who are out.

1310
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 3: There right now and feeling like their story is not

1311
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: being told like it does kind of suck for those.

1312
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: Players, Yeah, no, I get that there is you can

1313
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: and again, being completely newbie to this world, you do

1314
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: see that it seems at least like they're listening to

1315
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: the fans, and they're listening CBS and the parent company

1316
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: or listening to what everybody wants to see and the

1317
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: problems that are happening, because the other one I saw

1318
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: was that they thought that the was Zach Zach Brown, Yeah,

1319
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: that he had so many he was on the island

1320
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: so long, he did a full concert. That apparently for

1321
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: at least from a couple of the articles I read today,

1322
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: that they're planning on going back for some future episodes

1323
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: and actually editing down.

1324
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I think you don't think that's

1325
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 3: I think that that might have been fake news.

1326
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. You think with the whole Mister Beast thing,

1327
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: that's the one. I don't think so.

1328
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: I think that the shows they're largely edited. I don't

1329
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: think that they're changing too much afterwards. There's so much

1330
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 3: fan reaction to everything. I think that for the most part,

1331
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: I think that unless something is like a big scandal,

1332
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: I don't think that Survivor is changing too much based

1333
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: off of how the fans are receiving it. Because again,

1334
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 3: there's probably a big majority of fans who are silent,

1335
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 3: who maybe had no issue with the Zach Brown of

1336
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: it all. It's probably Zach Brown probably has a lot

1337
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 3: of fans that we're excited to see him. Yeah, so

1338
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: you know that the problem is that a lot of

1339
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: the online Survivor fans you complain about everything, so it's

1340
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 3: very hard to really for Survivor through discern. Okay, what

1341
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 3: are the things we really need to look at because

1342
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: that there's so many things that people are furious about

1343
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: that they had three tribal councils in this episode and

1344
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 3: their favorites went home.

1345
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's one of the same.

1346
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: I've always said, just don't live your life based on

1347
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 1: the comments on social media or run your business based

1348
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: on the life of the social media is just it way.

1349
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 3: Very hard to get any sort of like actionable information

1350
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 3: from the one star reviews when everything was like this sucks,

1351
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 3: worst episode ever and the fans vote, and like they

1352
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: went on IMDb and said the Zach Brown episode of

1353
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 3: Survivor was the worst rated episode of Survivor.

1354
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: I've read that everywhere And was that true or no?

1355
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: It was not the worst episode a Survivor of all time?

1356
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: Was it the worst rated episode? Because I read that

1357
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: it is the worst rated episode of But interesting.

1358
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 3: I mean, there have been like many problematic episodes in

1359
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 3: the history of Survivor over twenty five years, and many

1360
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 3: boring episodes.

1361
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: Also, it's fifty seasons.

1362
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: You can't do that and not have problematic episodes in

1363
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: anything that you do. Sure, so all right, So anyway, yes,

1364
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: we're seeing Aubrey and Genevieve. They're paired in the same group.

1365
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: They're going ahead ahead. Genevieve is not going to vote

1366
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: for Aubrey tonight because she could play her idol and

1367
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: it would all backfire. Instead, she's going to go after

1368
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: Devins and tries to convince Christian to vote for him too.

1369
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: So this is just going back and forth. Another one

1370
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: of the tribes is on a different island. They're also

1371
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 1: prepping for the tribal tonight. Colby is a sitting duck

1372
01:02:59,080 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: at this point.

1373
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: I love Colby. I love I do.

1374
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: He's injured though, and he has no vote. It's like,

1375
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: my you know, even I know, I was like, oh,

1376
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: this is not going well. He looks like the goat

1377
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: that's just tethered to the thing in Jurassic Park for

1378
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: the t Rex to come and eat.

1379
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: He didn't really have much of a play there.

1380
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: And you know, for Colby, I mean, he had such

1381
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 3: a legacy where he was, you know, the biggest star

1382
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 3: in Survivor in two thousand and one.

1383
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: He was so fair, remember.

1384
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: Him, Yes, Survivor the Australian Outback. People name their babies

1385
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 3: Colby like he was in.

1386
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: You know, like put it. They put him in movies.

1387
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: He used to do commercial He.

1388
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: Hosted Top Shot, which was which was a great show.

1389
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: Top Shot. He's on Curb your Enthusiasm.

1390
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: I mean he was just like like the biggest Survivor

1391
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: star and then you know, here he is, and he's

1392
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 3: coming back and he.

1393
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: Hurt his toe and he can't. It's just it was, yeah,

1394
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: the walking wounded. Yea, Yes, it was really sad to

1395
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: watch it.

1396
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: You just you felt back. He was trying to trying

1397
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: to play whatever he had, but he didn't. He really

1398
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to play. So it was more or

1399
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: less just kind of like, I'm Colby, you don't want

1400
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: you don't want to vote for me, I'm Colby.

1401
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was pretty much all you can do U.

1402
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: Then Coach kind of makes a fool of himself as

1403
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 1: per Usion tells D that Emily is targeting her, which

1404
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: is a lie, a lie.

1405
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 3: Also a very unbelievable lie, because D and Emily are

1406
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 3: from the same original season They're both from Survivor forty

1407
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: five and are actually friends in real life, so that

1408
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 3: would be quite a betrayal if Emily was trying to

1409
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: get the voted out for no reason.

1410
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like why I get I guess if you're

1411
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: gonna lie, make it plausible.

1412
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he thought it through.

1413
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: I think he's just like, yeah, he's throwing it out

1414
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: and seeing what sticks. The winning team obviously gets back

1415
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: to their camp before tribal, and it seems kind of

1416
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: like an easy vote for them too, but you don't

1417
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,479
Speaker 1: know if it's going to be. You've got Camilla, Tiff,

1418
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: and Jonathan if they stick together and vote out Chrissy easy.

1419
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: But of course this I'm learning being Survivor is not

1420
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: the way that it works. So Chrissy puts on the

1421
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: ultimate ruse for Camilla and Tiff, complete with tears, and

1422
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: in reality she's just trying to get Stephanie and Jonathan

1423
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: together to vote out Camilla.

1424
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1425
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: I think that this was by far the most interesting

1426
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: vote of the three of what was Jonathan going to do?

1427
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: Because you had the Stephanie and Chrissy.

1428
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: Who were more affiliated with the old school players, and

1429
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 3: then you had Tiffany and Camilla, who were from the

1430
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 3: more recent player seasons that were okay, hey, like stick

1431
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 3: with us from the last couple of seasons, and Jonathan

1432
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 3: was really playing both sides. But Chrissy does a really

1433
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 3: convincing job of making sure that Jonathan is going to

1434
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 3: go with the old school players who sort of have

1435
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: a little bit more of this like hey, as Serie said,

1436
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 3: like honor, loyalty, when we are word is good, come

1437
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 3: work with us, and that's a little bit more of

1438
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 3: what Jonathan is about.

1439
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: Well, you can probably tell that's why I'm team Jonathan.

1440
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: Yes see the pants, Yes, I've got my pants as

1441
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: I always wear when.

1442
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm doing I made those.

1443
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 3: When I heard that you bought the Jonathan pants, surprised,

1444
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 3: you know, Christy kept saying like, hey, Jonathan were cut

1445
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 3: from the same cloth.

1446
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's how he gets his clothes, the

1447
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: cloth from the pants.

1448
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: No, this is I think it was a shout out

1449
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: to missus Jeremy Jeremy Pinter or missus Eric Matthews, who

1450
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: are two fans of ours from pod Meats World and

1451
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: uh from pod Meats World here that ended up finding

1452
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: the pants and getting the link to rider.

1453
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 3: So well, next you need like the shirt that has

1454
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 3: like nipple my one nipple shirt.

1455
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean a lot of Jackson wardrobe malfunctions.

1456
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: Sure, Well a lot of people look at Jonathan's body

1457
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: and my body and they're like, ah, god, so similar.

1458
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: So it could definitely happen that I'm gonna get nipple shirt.

1459
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: But I was talking to Johnathan exactly zoom, very similar,

1460
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: very similar. So now we're at the Red Moon, Blood

1461
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: Moon Tribal Council, Blood Moon, we get into the first group.

1462
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: I feel like they turn the music down a little

1463
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: bit this week, which is good because it it does

1464
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: get annoying.

1465
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 2: It it does.

1466
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: It just I always I feel like I'm on a

1467
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: Disneyland ride. I do every time I hear it. They're

1468
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: sitting there around the ruins and you just hear that

1469
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:29,439
Speaker 1: that same music.

1470
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm on a Disneyland ride.

1471
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 3: Well it's jarring when you're actually there because there is

1472
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: no music.

1473
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just dead silence. Right.

1474
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 3: It's like if you go from like at home, you

1475
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: have this one experience and then you're there and you

1476
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 3: can hear a pin drop. So that's the part that's

1477
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 3: really weird and you're to go and play Survivor.

1478
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 2: Now, is it true?

1479
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: Because I read that the all them grabbing the torches

1480
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: and walking on the beaches, that's all they shoot that

1481
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: and then they like put them into trucks and take

1482
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: them to the actual vote in.

1483
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: Trucks probably boats in Okay set up in Fiji, but yeah,

1484
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 3: like you would never they used to stay in like

1485
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 3: the very beginning, like we hiked three miles to tribal council,

1486
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 3: Like they would get lost. So they're like how you

1487
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 3: like Jeff would be standing there all night, like, hey,

1488
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: when are they getting here?

1489
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: Right?

1490
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were supposed to be here hours ago. What

1491
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 3: happened will bring the rain and everything. So yeah, they

1492
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 3: started like well they picked them up in a boat,

1493
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: they take them to tribal council and they get out

1494
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 3: and they walk up.

1495
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: I'm curious how far how far away is the crew,

1496
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: Like if there's got to be a crew area where.

1497
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 2: Jeff hangs out, all this stuff is at a small boat,

1498
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: I would played in Fiji.

1499
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 3: So I don't know necessarily what that layout is, but

1500
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 3: there tends to be on the survivors have like a

1501
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 3: certain area and there's like a sign post no no

1502
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: players past this area, and then production will have like

1503
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 3: a base there and they have their own base camp,

1504
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 3: have a really nice set up in Fiji where the

1505
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 3: crew has really nice accommodations. Jeff has good accommodations, so

1506
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 3: the show's really comfortable in being in Fiji. It used

1507
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 3: to to move all around the world, where I remember

1508
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 3: lots lots of different locations, and then starting with season

1509
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 3: thirty three, they landed in Fiji and they've been there

1510
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 3: since that point.

1511
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: It does make more sense to just kind of have

1512
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: a controlled area, especially and I hate to keep saying this,

1513
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 1: but especially if kind of the survivor aspect of Survivor

1514
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: is gone. It's more about the gameplay than you can

1515
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: control it more in one area, much like the Hunger games.

1516
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes sense.

1517
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 3: They don't have to like rebuild all all of the

1518
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 3: challenges and props, and they are able to save a

1519
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 3: lot of money.

1520
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 2: They filmed two seasons back to back.

1521
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: Also, a lot of the changes to Survivor have come

1522
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 3: because they're trying the show's trying to save money and

1523
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 3: make it more economical. Where there was a point where

1524
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: it was such a phenomenon it would beat friends, you know,

1525
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 3: three million people a week would watch Survivor. At a

1526
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 3: certain point, Survivor will win its time slot, but it's

1527
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 3: not like the juggernaut that it used to be. So

1528
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 3: they've done all sorts of different things between cutting back

1529
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: the days staying in Fiji. They filmed two seasons back

1530
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 3: to back, so they've done a lot of things to

1531
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 3: sort of like cut the amount of money that they spent.

1532
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: Me overhead as much as you can. Well that's smart.

1533
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: So will I mean, everybody's kind of going back and forth.

1534
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: Is it going to be Chrissy, is it going to

1535
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: be Camilla? Who's going? And then I wasn't shocked. If

1536
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm on it, it was the biggest shock of the three,

1537
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: but still wasn't like, oh my god. I kind of

1538
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: figured that maybe Jonathan was gonna vote Camilla. How about you.

1539
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: No, I was not surprised, though.

1540
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 3: I actually was a little surprised that the vote was

1541
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 3: Camilla and not Tiffany, because I thought that at least

1542
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 3: Jonathan and Camilla had more of a relationship than we've

1543
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 3: seen Jonathan with Tiffany, and I think that maybe the

1544
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 3: Chrissy and Tiffany they were together on the last tribe,

1545
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: maybe that there was a relationship there. But I was

1546
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 3: not surprised that Jonathan went with Stephanie and went with Chrissy,

1547
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 3: because it really does seem like that he's very much

1548
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 3: aligned with he was working with coach earlier in the season,

1549
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 3: that he would want to stick with the people who

1550
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 3: were also with that Honor loyal team Honor.

1551
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of thing, John and all that kind

1552
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: of stuff. If memory serves, Tiffany's name wasn't even floated

1553
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: at least that we ever saw. No, So yeah, amazing, amazing.

1554
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: All right, So now we go to our second tribal council,

1555
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: different music, same game. Geneva ends up playing her shot

1556
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: in the Dark. I never can please very briefly walk

1557
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: me through the shot in the Dark because I didn't

1558
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: really understand everything shot on in the Dark.

1559
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: Everybody gets one. The idea is that hey, everybody gets

1560
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 2: one of these. Everybody has one to start.

1561
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh okay, and so you could have one time

1562
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 3: when you get to play it where it's basically it's

1563
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: like you're sort of you're hail Mary, where hey I

1564
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 3: think I'm getting which is why Colby, because you need

1565
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 3: a vote to do it. So it's like Hey, I

1566
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 3: think I'm getting voted out tonight. So instead of actually

1567
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 3: putting my one vote in, I'm playing the shot in

1568
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 3: the dark, which it makes no sense because it's a

1569
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 3: one in six shot.

1570
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 2: It literally is a die. It literally is I think.

1571
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, so you roll it, No, you

1572
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 3: put it into a tube, and then you pull a

1573
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: scroll out of the back.

1574
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: Okay, just like Vegas gotcha. Okay, so I did not

1575
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: know that everybody got one. I thought you everybody in

1576
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: one of these or something everybody gets start.

1577
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 3: The game with one, and it's basically your Hey, I'm

1578
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna lose, and.

1579
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 2: So it's a hail Mary, throw my hail Mary.

1580
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 3: And and then if Jeff, if you pull out the

1581
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 3: one scroll that says safe, everybody goes crazy. It's like, ah,

1582
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 3: I did like and so it's happened. People have got it,

1583
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 3: has happened before.

1584
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, interesting, So but not this time.

1585
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: She is not safe. So any of the votes against

1586
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: your will count. And well she's actually unanimously voted out.

1587
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: But before she leaves, she gives her coat to her

1588
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 1: nemesis Aubrey.

1589
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: So many coats I.

1590
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, there seem to be this whole coat

1591
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: thing seems to be. It's like a rite of passage.

1592
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 3: It's like toys for tots the Christmas time, like donate

1593
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 3: your coats to cold survivors, donate your colts.

1594
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: I still don't know, because half the time they're cold,

1595
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: half the time they're hot, and half the time they're standing.

1596
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: One person's in shorts and t shirts sweating next to

1597
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: a person who's in a sweater.

1598
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know if they're hot and cold. It's

1599
01:12:58,439 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: very interesting.

1600
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: And then we get to the third tribal Council. Coach

1601
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: is all dressed up for the red wedding, and Colby

1602
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: gives a very sentimental speech that leaves some of the

1603
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: people in tears. I think he knows he doesn't literally

1604
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 1: and figuratively have a leg to stand on because he's injured,

1605
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: and he's just he doesn't have a vote, he's just

1606
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's piggy on the island without the conch.

1607
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: So this was a nice sendoff for survivor for Colby.

1608
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 3: You know, you sort of like that the idea of

1609
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 3: Season fifty at being this celebration was supposed to be

1610
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 3: where you were gonna have these like great iconic players

1611
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 3: coming back for one last like Daffa the Cap curtain Ball,

1612
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: and if Colby was going to get blindsided, you wouldn't

1613
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 3: get that.

1614
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 2: So in a way where it.

1615
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 3: Was such an obvious vote for Colby, he really was

1616
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 3: able to get his flowers and have an emotional send

1617
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 3: off after. You know, as a survivor re viewer, if

1618
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 3: you started, you spent twenty five years watching Colby come

1619
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 3: and play the show.

1620
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: This is his fourth time coming back.

1621
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: Colby was the one in his very first season where

1622
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: he easily could have won and gave it to the

1623
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: woman right.

1624
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: Took Tina to the AA Tina. Yeah, so it was

1625
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 2: but at that.

1626
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: Point in time, Savva was such a phenomenon and Colby

1627
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 3: was the good guy, America's hero cowboy hat. I think

1628
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 3: he thought that he had a big career coming in movies,

1629
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 3: and I think.

1630
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: That he felt like I kinda did.

1631
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 3: I mean he did, I mean, he did have a career, certainly,

1632
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 3: but I think he felt like, hey, maybe I'll win,

1633
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 3: maybe I won't, but I think I'd rather do that

1634
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 3: and be beloved than screw Tina, who he cared for.

1635
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 2: And they're still friends. To this day.

1636
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 3: Remember, win the million dollars and then at what cost

1637
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 3: you know where I'll be. I'll be hated, but I

1638
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 3: want a million dollars. I think that he really was

1639
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 3: thinking about his image too along the way.

1640
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: Well it worked because you know, he's was beloved even

1641
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: though yes, he was voted off the island, he's still

1642
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: considered one of the most beloved survivors of all time.

1643
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 3: And I think he'll be you know, he actually was

1644
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 3: before this season. Just to give the put the bow

1645
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 3: on Colby. He had this great run and then he

1646
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 3: came He played two more times and it was kind

1647
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 3: of underwhelming. The last time he played that he was

1648
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 3: really he seemed like he really wasn't that into it.

1649
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 3: He was kind of like miserable the whole time. He

1650
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 3: was called Superman in a fat suit by one of

1651
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 3: the other contestints, where he was like this like young

1652
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 3: Buck who was winning everything in his first time out,

1653
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 3: and then he was kind of seeming like like over

1654
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,839
Speaker 3: it and was like a sad MOPI version of Colby.

1655
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 3: To see him come back and have this run, and hey,

1656
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 3: make sure you find the joy, everybody. That's that's the lesson.

1657
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 3: Find the joy and so he I'm in the era

1658
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 3: of reflection, and he came back with a different spirit

1659
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 3: and seemed like he got a lot out of it,

1660
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 3: Like it was a nice bookend to his story.

1661
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is really great.

1662
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: And that's uh, that was our episode for the night.

1663
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean we I we don't usually get into what

1664
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: happens next because that's the fun part of finding out

1665
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: what happens next. But I would like to know. You're

1666
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: in Vegas, they hand you chips. You've got to put

1667
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: your thousand dollars chip on the person you think is

1668
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: going to win this season. Oh, who do you think

1669
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: is going to win Survivor fifty?

1670
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: I know you're not the biggest fan, but could it

1671
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 2: be coach? I don't know. Do you think do you

1672
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 2: think it's going to be coaching?

1673
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll say I feel like somebody from the old

1674
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 3: school I think is headed on the right. I think

1675
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 3: that the new school is really on the back foot now.

1676
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 3: I think Koree has a chance. Also with this Ozzy

1677
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 3: and Riz God set up, does Ozzy have a shot

1678
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 3: for once? I don't think so. Like it'll be interesting

1679
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 3: for Ozzy. He he got he's been very close. He

1680
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: got to the finals his very first season and lost

1681
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 3: five to four. He also was one vote away from

1682
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 3: winning in a season that he got voted out three times.

1683
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: That's a story for.

1684
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 3: Another day about how Ozzie got voted three times in

1685
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 3: the season he almost won, And then it would be

1686
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 3: I think that there's a chain. I think he's well liked,

1687
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 3: but I don't know that if he goes to the

1688
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 3: end with Siri, he will lose to Sori.

1689
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,879
Speaker 2: Sori's beloved.

1690
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: So three is an icon and everybody, this is when

1691
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: the jury who's going to start being picked next week?

1692
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: None of these three people are on the jury, so

1693
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: gonna be picked next week. They decide, they.

1694
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 3: Vote, The final three will sit there, they will make

1695
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 3: their case of who will win. The jury will ask questions,

1696
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 3: and then they will all vote for a winner of

1697
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:32,799
Speaker 3: Survivor fifty.

1698
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 1: Okay, well man, thank you so much, yes for joining

1699
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: us while we're here. Now, you are unfortunately going to

1700
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: be stuck for one more thing because I do every

1701
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: week on our show, I do a little something called

1702
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: Will's History, famous Survivors and stuff. I'm still working on

1703
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: the song. Please don't hold it against me, but we're

1704
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: going to do a very quick one this week because

1705
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: it's a long episode because I wanted to talk to

1706
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: you about why I'm wrong about not liking Survivor and

1707
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I swear to God, I'm getting there.

1708
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: But this week we've got Roy Sullivan, who is a

1709
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: man who was struck by lifelightning seven times. Yes, the

1710
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: US Park Rangers survived and astonishing seven lightning strikes between

1711
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: nineteen forty two and nineteen seventy seven, a feat that

1712
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: made him a legend among survival stories. His endurance and

1713
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: luck earned him a place in the Guinness Book of

1714
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: World's Records. I think I'd rather be there for hot

1715
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: dog eating as opposed to most times struck by lightning.

1716
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: But his story is really fascinating. Go check it out.

1717
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: Just be careful, don't read it under a big tree,

1718
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: because apparently even his story attracts lightning.

1719
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1720
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 3: I think if you get struck by lightning seven times,

1721
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 3: you like it. Yeah, you're asking for it. At this point,

1722
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna believe lightning strike victims normally, but like, something's

1723
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: off here.

1724
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, seven times, although apparently it's this. Somebody fact check

1725
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: me on this because I could totally be wrong. But

1726
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: apparently if you're struck by lightning once, you have a

1727
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: better chance of being struck by lightning again than if

1728
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: you've never been struck by lightning it again. I could

1729
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: be making that up like a blood moon, but I

1730
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: don't think I am.

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01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: I think that's blood. Would you get three times?

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 3: That's exactly the danger of a blood moon exactly.

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01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: So can you tell us naming your podcast which everybody

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01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 1: knows anyway, but I want to shout it out anyway

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01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: and where everybody can listen to you.

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 3: It's called Rob has a podcast you could search for

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01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 3: rhap and talking about Survivor and all of these reality

1738
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 3: competition games, The Traders, Big Brother and so if there's

1739
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 3: a show with strategy, we typically have a podcast about it.

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 3: I actually, how's this for some fanstalgia for you?

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01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:27,440
Speaker 2: Okay?

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01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 3: I have recently wrote a book that is coming out

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01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 3: next month.

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01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 2: It's called The Tribe and I have spoken.

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01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 3: It's about the twenty five year Lauren legacy of Survivor.

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 3: And Rob has a book dot com. Maybe that listen

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01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 3: maybe for you one day? Maybe maybe I'll send one.

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01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,799
Speaker 2: For rider for now. Oh, that's that's so harsh.

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01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: You know, we have a book coming out too, So

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01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: if you don't want to come yours, then that's fine.

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01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: We could trade. But apparently Rider is going to get one. Yes,

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: book Meets for all this coming out.

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01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 3: Listen, I can't be like sitting here on my high horse.

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01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 3: I I do not have all of boy Meet's world

1755
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: history at the ready.

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 2: There you go, thank you very much. So no it is.

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: This has been really cool. I again, I am trying.

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01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate what you all are doing.

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01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 3: That it really like as as somebody who talks about

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01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 3: survivoral all time. I love that you're bringing more of

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01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 3: an audience to the show, and I think that that's great.

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01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 3: And I think it's also hard to jump into something

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01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 3: with an existing fandom. I think it's very brave to

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01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 3: come in because that you really open yourself up to, like, oh,

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01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 3: you think you could just come in here and talk

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01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 3: about this show, don't you know?

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah blah.

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01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: I kind of love that though, because I'm a mega

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01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: nerd so fandoms that nerdoms are two of my favorite

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01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: things in the world. And when a fandom gets mad

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01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 1: at me, it's joyous and I never ever ever do

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01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: it as like rage bait in any way, shape or form.

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01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: But it just shows a passion for something that people love.

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01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like that with fantasy novels, with Dungeon

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: and dragons. I'm like that with stuff in my life too,

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01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: So I completely and totally get it. There's never any

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01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 1: hard feelings. It's somebody quote unquote bashing something that brings

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01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: you joy. So I completely understand where the fans are

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01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: coming from. And all I can say is I'm working

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01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: on it. I'm getting there. I'm learning the characters, which

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01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: is an important thing. I mean, again, as a fantasy lover,

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01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: it's it's about world building. So I'm trying to understand

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01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: the building of the world.

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01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that you know this from everything that

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01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 3: you've done with the pod. It's also like this this

1786
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 3: world building, it's also community building where it absolutely will

1787
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 3: come in and it's like, oh yeah, that we have

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01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 3: our own language, and there's certain things that only that

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01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: only we know about. But it's the stuff that makes

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01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 3: us feel close and connected with the things that we

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01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 3: actually care about.

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01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: So in some ways it is a little bit.

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01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 3: Of a mote that anybody just can't jump in and

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01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 3: be a part of our thing.

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01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 2: That's really sacred and precious to us.

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01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 3: So the people who you know, fight through that to

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01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: sort of like get it, and then it's like, oh,

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01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm part of this now. So it's you know, happens

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01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 3: with all sorts of these online fandoms, and so it's natural.

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01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm getting there. They've been usually very nice to me.

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01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 1: They just are kind of like, you don't get it,

1802
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: and they're right, I don't get it, but I'm working

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01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: on it. And you've been a great teacher. So thank

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01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you for joining. And you're going

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01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: to have to come back when Riders here because he's

1806
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 1: not going to be happy that he didn't get a

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01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: chance to talk to you. So please join us again

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01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,839
Speaker 1: to help explain more stuff I would love to Okay, good, thank.

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01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 2: You so much. All right, thank you so much. Well

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01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 2: bye bye man. That was cool.

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01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean talking to somebody who's knowledgeable about a

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01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: world that I am still learning is just so helpful

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01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: and it's something that again is a nerd I love

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01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: to do.

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01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 2: So.

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01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for all of us, Rider did not send me

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01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: the thing that he normally says to get rid of

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01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: the episode, you know, the outro he sent me the intro,

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01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: but he never sent me the outro, So I'm gonna

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01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: have to make one up, and mine's not going to

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01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: be nearly as poetic or awesome as Riders. So I'm

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01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: just going to say thank you everybody for joining us.

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01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 1: We've survived yet another tribal council. Our smoke hasn't been trapped,

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01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: is that what Indya always says. But we will be

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01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: here next time with loud beating drums behind us as

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01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: we write down somebody's name and find out if everybody

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01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: decided to write down the same name or they screwed

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Speaker 1: us at the last second. Thanks everybody, but the l