Speaker 1: All right, well, welcome man All Star twenty five. What
Speaker 1: is it Saturday? So it was day three second, the
Speaker 1: last day. I know the NBA got you guys running
Speaker 1: around crazy. But Mitch said the money is good though,
Speaker 1: so he ain't really tripper.
Speaker 2: I won't play that too loud. I'm doing everything by charity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, as Jack mentioned, I mean, this
Speaker 1: group right here was instrumental as we were growing up
Speaker 1: to be fans, and then instrumental in Jack and I's
Speaker 1: career on the management side, but just really been fans
Speaker 1: of all three since I can remember. You know, I
Speaker 1: grew up an hour north of here, and watching these
Speaker 1: guys when the Kings wasn't ship kind of kept me going.
Speaker 3: And then Mitch got traded out there. So anyway, but.
Speaker 1: Let's get it going man, run TMC a legendary team
Speaker 1: in the Bay. Now obviously you've been removed from the game,
Speaker 1: but just kind of give yourself flyers. Like damn, I
Speaker 1: was a bad motherfucker, y'all ever think about that.
Speaker 3: Tim du.
Speaker 4: Intended wait till he was done, no talk smack every day.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we was some bad motherfuckers, all three of us. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we we love going out there busting people ass. They
Speaker 6: just followed me when when I started, they was like, okay,
Speaker 6: we are Yeah, he's ready, let's go.
Speaker 4: It was right behind me, and.
Speaker 3: It was the mouthpiece.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the mouthpiece.
Speaker 3: Ain't nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 4: No, you got to.
Speaker 6: Have that sometimes because some on other teams, some people
Speaker 6: be talking ship. You know, yeah, you know, yeah, he's
Speaker 6: just not gonna be talking to.
Speaker 3: Score to talk ship.
Speaker 4: Right in that school, I'm like, yeah, I was doing
Speaker 4: the same thing.
Speaker 6: What he's busting your He's busting your ass, busting your
Speaker 6: ass and keep busting it.
Speaker 3: There you go, man, We're gonna talk through errors of
Speaker 3: Warriors today.
Speaker 1: Obviously run TMC. We believe in the current They warriors.
Speaker 7: Go back to the start from beginning. You were first,
Speaker 7: the first one to land to the bay by way
Speaker 7: of Brooklyn. Set the stage for us. How the bay
Speaker 7: was in nineteen eighty five when you got here before
Speaker 7: those guys got there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so eighty five I came out here. First draft
Speaker 8: lottery was in eighty five. Warriors that think the previous
Speaker 8: sea they were twenty and sixty two. So they and
Speaker 8: the Clippers had supposed to get the first pick. The
Speaker 8: Knicks got it with Patrick Ewing. They said the frozen envelope.
Speaker 8: They didn't have balls at the time, so the Knicks
Speaker 8: were definitely getting Patrick. So I wound up coming out
Speaker 8: to the Bay rebuilding situation. That's what all those lottery picks.
Speaker 8: We were in rebuilding situations. Eighty year play at least
Speaker 8: probably you know, the previous dynasty was Rick Barry. So
Speaker 8: then they had tremendous history here with the Warriors. They
Speaker 8: came from Philly. See tell about Wilt Chamberlain, Paul Ayris
Speaker 8: and Thomas rich history. But like most teams, they did
Speaker 8: some downslope. So that's when I came. I came into
Speaker 8: a rebuilding situation. A few years went by. In eighty eight,
Speaker 8: we drafted Mitch so I was here for two years.
Speaker 8: We made the playoffs in my second season, solid team.
Speaker 8: Sleepy Floyd was a hell of a player, Joe Barry
Speaker 8: cow was an All star, Larry Smith. You know, we
Speaker 8: we were kind of making our way. George call was
Speaker 8: the coach at that point in time. Then the following
Speaker 8: year and Nelly came in for Milwaukee as the GM
Speaker 8: made a coaching switch. New he went from GM to coach.
Speaker 8: I mean a little side note, let's let's be honest.
Speaker 8: I was struggling, playing doing okay for number seven pick struggling.
Speaker 8: Now I think I was averaging fifteen a game. You know,
Speaker 8: I get about fifteen million for right now. But you know,
Speaker 8: at that point in time, I been rehab. I went
Speaker 8: to rehab.
Speaker 3: Man Rookie of the year, he said he went to rehab.
Speaker 3: I went to rehab. But so I made some changes
Speaker 3: in my life.
Speaker 8: When I came back to the team, Nelly had traded
Speaker 8: like half the team, so he was going to revamp
Speaker 8: to the whole organization. So I was eighty seven, eighty eight.
Speaker 8: That's the next draft. We drafted Mitch. So that was
Speaker 8: a start. You know, Mitch showed up from day one
Speaker 8: ready to play. He was a pro on day one.
Speaker 8: You know, he played JC played two years a k
Speaker 8: State Rookie of the year, twenty points per game as
Speaker 8: a as a rookie. All of a sudden, the organization
Speaker 8: has some juice was coming back. The following year, we
Speaker 8: drafted Tim.
Speaker 3: Then we had something.
Speaker 8: Then we had something special and Tim Tim you know,
Speaker 8: we just were joking, but he was our mouthpiece. He
Speaker 8: was Stephen Jackson or Draymond Green with twenty ten and
Speaker 8: you know, with crazy numbers.
Speaker 3: So he changed the whole dynamic. All of a sudden.
Speaker 8: We had a guy you think about back then, Magic
Speaker 8: Gary Payton, Kevin Johnson stopped in and Tim was, as
Speaker 8: he would say, busting their ass, you know, Tim. Tim
Speaker 8: was so good and you guys played for Nelly. Tim
Speaker 8: was so good. Nelly had to like slow him down
Speaker 8: a little bit because he could beat his man every single.
Speaker 3: Time, all the time. But the problem was we weren't
Speaker 3: up there yet.
Speaker 8: He beat his man, He's going one on five, he
Speaker 8: had no one to pass. So Nelly said, look, give
Speaker 8: the ball up once. When you get it back, then attack.
Speaker 8: Let's let everyone catch up to you. That's how good
Speaker 8: Tim was. And then he made all jobs so much easier.
Speaker 8: And like your team, we had tremendous role players, you.
Speaker 3: Know, doing it.
Speaker 7: During this time, the state of the league was crazy,
Speaker 7: like it was really the cocaine era, you know, and
Speaker 7: when y'all was coming together, like the rumor is the
Speaker 7: highatt downtown what a practice pilly. That's where everybody used
Speaker 7: to score a lot of players used to score. It
Speaker 7: was that the spot. And we're not talking about basketball, no,
Speaker 7: we're not talking about basketball, A little change of direction.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, you know, but you know we're
Speaker 7: talking about around the tower, y'all coming together.
Speaker 3: League was yeah, yeah, yeah, no question that the airport
Speaker 3: right there, right to the airport.
Speaker 8: So eighty I came in eighty five David Stern. Just
Speaker 8: for the little history lesson here. David Stern came in
Speaker 8: and it was not against players. He wanted to sell
Speaker 8: the league was known as a drug riddle, too black
Speaker 8: to yeah, Brian, whatever it was, but it was a
Speaker 8: reflection with what was going on in society where we
Speaker 8: grew up.
Speaker 3: So I grew up in New York City in the eighties.
Speaker 8: Wall Street was loaded with Yeah that's everyone was making money.
Speaker 8: Was supposedly a choice of the high society, so that
Speaker 8: filtered through everything, wasn't There was nothing but a reflection
Speaker 8: of society. But David Stern wanted to sell the league
Speaker 8: to Madison Avenue. So that's where the dress code came from.
Speaker 8: That's where so you meant we used to fly commercial,
Speaker 8: we'd have to put on on blazes and to present ourselves.
Speaker 3: That was that was. That was a big vision, a
Speaker 3: big plan to sell the league.
Speaker 8: But Jack, to your point, yes, yeah, so yeah, the Hyatt.
Speaker 8: But let me tell you something. We talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 8: You learn from people's mistakes, right. So right in front
Speaker 8: of me growing up in Brooklyn, Michael Ray Richardson, he
Speaker 8: was basically Magic Johnson. There was other player I can't
Speaker 8: of guys that had drug problems.
Speaker 3: Michael was suspended.
Speaker 8: So all of a sudden, you see those ramifications to
Speaker 8: wake up call. But you have to make adjustment. You
Speaker 8: can't just get scared. That's why I went to rehab.
Speaker 8: I went because I was struggling.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 8: I found myself going from loving the game to missing practice,
Speaker 8: Like like, what the fuck is going on here with alcohol?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and you know, look exclusively no, right, but
Speaker 8: that was that was my that was my choice.
Speaker 3: That was my drug choice. But to get help, you
Speaker 3: got to get to the root of the problem. And
Speaker 3: there was people in front of me.
Speaker 8: That did that, so I didn't feel alone, right there
Speaker 8: was so anyway, you know, the making a long story short,
Speaker 8: you make adjustments and then you get you get repaid.
Speaker 3: So think about this.
Speaker 8: So in eighty seven, eighty eight, I went December thirteenth,
Speaker 8: nineteen eighty seven, through Christmas through the holidays. I remember
Speaker 8: coming it was I was probably a mile from the Forum.
Speaker 8: I was at Sentinela Hospital Hospital sitting there, and then
Speaker 8: got out. After thirty five or forty days, I come
Speaker 8: back on Southwest and I'm reading the paper. I'm reading
Speaker 8: the paper in the joint like, oh they they what
Speaker 8: another small photo? Damn Elly's really trying to get my
Speaker 8: spot away. So I come back to Oakland, get off
Speaker 8: the flight. The team's going to LA to play the Clippers.
Speaker 8: I'm looking, okay, I see all the guys that trying
Speaker 8: to take my job. I went right to the gym,
Speaker 8: started training. So from eighty eight coming out of rehab.
Speaker 8: Four years later, I was in the in the Olympics.
Speaker 8: Do to do a lot of people's no, a lot
Speaker 8: of but teammates, coaches support system, right, So that's you know,
Speaker 8: And I give David Stern a lot of credit because
Speaker 8: he made this league ultra professional. Like it's a privilege, right,
Speaker 8: You don't just show up and take You got to
Speaker 8: give back as well.
Speaker 1: You say, Mitchell riz eight gets the Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: and you guys kind of feel like you have some momentum. Timmy,
Speaker 1: your story is hilarious and I want you to share
Speaker 1: what everyone because Nelly pulled a fast one to end
Speaker 1: up landing you.
Speaker 3: You were supposed to go higher than you went. Well,
Speaker 3: how come you ended up falling to the Warriors.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he took all my money away. I was supposed
Speaker 4: to be a lottery pick.
Speaker 6: You know, Minnesota, Indiana, Bill Musselman.
Speaker 4: His son really hates him Nelly to this day. Right now.
Speaker 6: He's like he killed his dad's career because he picked
Speaker 6: Pool Richson instead of me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was supposed to go to them places.
Speaker 6: And Nelly was calling everybody saying, hey, he got bad knees,
Speaker 6: he only gonna last two or three years. Don't pick him.
Speaker 6: That'd be the worst pick of your career. You're gonna
Speaker 6: get fired the next year. He was telling coaches that,
Speaker 6: and then he ends up getting me, picking me at fourteen.
Speaker 6: But it was blessing in this, you know, coming to
Speaker 6: the Golden State, to the Bay Area with like we said,
Speaker 6: we had a great complimentary players, but with Mitch and Molly,
Speaker 6: it's just like I fit right into that puzzle and
Speaker 6: everything just clicked. First team Money said after that press, come,
Speaker 6: he said, what you want to do? I said, Man,
Speaker 6: I haven't played ball in four or five days. I
Speaker 6: want to go hoo. He was like, let's go. We
Speaker 6: went straight to the gym and started for about three hours.
Speaker 4: Oh man.
Speaker 6: And we just clicked right away, just clicked right away.
Speaker 6: You know, Nelly knew what he was doing. He knew
Speaker 6: what I could do and how I can do it,
Speaker 6: and how I could fit right in with this this puzzle.
Speaker 4: And it was great.
Speaker 1: So, Mitch, everything is on track. Now you got Molley,
Speaker 1: you got yourself, and Tim has has slid into it.
Speaker 1: So what's your first impression, whether it's pick up, when
Speaker 1: it first started training camp, at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: when did you guys know you guys had something special.
Speaker 2: I can remember Nelly coming to me and he was
Speaker 2: watching tape on on Tim before the draft and he
Speaker 2: told me to pop in and he said, what do
Speaker 2: you think about this kid? I started watching the little film.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I like him. You know, I saw
Speaker 2: him a little bit. I thought he was about six
Speaker 2: y five, you know, because you can hear him.
Speaker 3: Through the TV.
Speaker 2: You ain't shit, you know, just cussing like you to
Speaker 2: hear him through the TV. I got you know, he
Speaker 2: was saying all crazy stuff. So when I saw him,
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, yeah, we need somebody like that, because
Speaker 2: he was tough and he even though that he was
Speaker 2: a great score, he was a great passer. And so
Speaker 2: the one thing that I can remember that that year
Speaker 2: when we really took off, Nellie, you know, set the
Speaker 2: whole team down and said, hey, Tim is the captain,
Speaker 2: and when he gets the rebound, when everybody get the rebound,
Speaker 2: give it to Tim, and you guys just run. So
Speaker 2: at that time, I was just trying to beat money
Speaker 2: down the court. You order me money, trying to beat
Speaker 2: me down the court. Everyone was running, man, because yeah,
Speaker 2: we knew we had to get down.
Speaker 3: There before Tim, right, uh you shooting it. So you know,
Speaker 3: we had a rule only only three of us.
Speaker 2: Can shoot the early shot, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: if we get down we could shoot the early shot.
Speaker 3: But other than that, we had to move the ball.
Speaker 2: And Nellie would you know, come into the game sometime
Speaker 2: before the game and say, listen, we're gonna run motion
Speaker 2: and if you guys are not sharing it, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call plays all game. And we're like, hey, man, come on, man,
Speaker 2: let's let's run this motion. Because we you know, we
Speaker 2: had to learn from money as well, because money was
Speaker 2: always moving. So if you didn't move, you know, you
Speaker 2: know you had to You had to honor the back pick.
Speaker 2: Somebody set a backpick, you had to cut, yeah, because
Speaker 2: you was helping your other teammate. And so everyone became
Speaker 2: a point guard. When you had the ball. If you
Speaker 2: didn't have a good shot for yourself, you had to
Speaker 2: move it to the next guy. And you know, Nellie
Speaker 2: put that confidence in you. If you open, you shoot it.
Speaker 2: But if you can't shoot that shot, give it up.
Speaker 2: So you know we had we.
Speaker 6: Had a good Another thing, if you thought you was
Speaker 6: in shape, yes, you come. You see what Molly was doing.
Speaker 6: He was out of shape. He wasn't in shape. You
Speaker 6: had to get in shape to keep.
Speaker 3: Up with him.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, he practiced before practice, he was doing practice.
Speaker 6: He practiced, I mean he on the stand master after practice,
Speaker 6: going hour.
Speaker 3: He was playing to him the same way. He was
Speaker 3: in better shape than.
Speaker 4: Nothing, and he was he was upstairs.
Speaker 8: Yes, but I gotta laugh at that because once again
Speaker 8: that was post Yes sentanella.
Speaker 3: That was like a new Habit was that a flip? What? What? What?
Speaker 3: What switch? Flip? For you?
Speaker 1: Just you kind of saw like I said, ship, I
Speaker 1: don't take this shit serious, gonna be just switch.
Speaker 3: No, No, I was like that, and I got the rail.
Speaker 3: It kind of went back to it, you know.
Speaker 8: So it's kind of like it's it's a great life
Speaker 8: lesson really if you don't pay attention to details. You know,
Speaker 8: we're all susceptible to different things in life, right, we
Speaker 8: all are at some point, right, temptations comes to everybody.
Speaker 8: So it got the best to me, but with help
Speaker 8: I got back. It was funny because if you talk
Speaker 8: to Mitch and Tim Knumy after that, so they don't
Speaker 8: know that other side. If you talked to my teammates
Speaker 8: my first three years, they would be like, whoa, no,
Speaker 8: you know a different side. But but we all go
Speaker 8: through that, right at some point. The other person that
Speaker 8: was was John Lucas was the other guy. I just
Speaker 8: want to mention him too. He was a big help to.
Speaker 1: Mine what was your guys' first impression of Nelly? Because
Speaker 1: we all know Nelly is outside the box. I mean
Speaker 1: he would bring beers to practice at ten am or
Speaker 1: sometimes it'd be crowning this cup is well his doget.
Speaker 8: We're going to get to your guys verse, right, So
Speaker 8: when you guys get well. I he came first and
Speaker 8: he was hat down, couldn't see his eyes.
Speaker 3: He was the GM.
Speaker 8: He was kind of like overseeing everything and you could
Speaker 8: feel something's getting ready to go down.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's when George was coaching. And then when
Speaker 3: he made that switch.
Speaker 8: I'm talking about like attention to detail, notebook taking notes, pop.
Speaker 3: Quizzes, like school.
Speaker 8: Yes, like he had all his play And this is
Speaker 8: not to you know, compare generations, but Nelly's first training camp,
Speaker 8: Mitch was I think Mitch was there. It was twenty
Speaker 8: eight days before the opening.
Speaker 3: Night, that's right today.
Speaker 8: Until the last day two days and I'm talking about tape.
Speaker 8: But it was emphasized on fitness, but also organization, so
Speaker 8: whether it be you know, in the NBA you don't
Speaker 8: see presses, we do a press break. Because it also
Speaker 8: promoted passing, so that we talked yesterday about Nellie teaching
Speaker 8: how to play together and then putting sets in later,
Speaker 8: whether it be like ten mentioned three dribble limit five passes.
Speaker 8: A lot of times our offense was, you know, don't
Speaker 8: shoot the ball to you make five passes, and after
Speaker 8: that figured it out. But Nelly was amazing when he's
Speaker 8: locked in and you guys know that been to anybody
Speaker 8: attention to detail.
Speaker 3: You know, he was.
Speaker 8: Schooled by rad Aulback, so that that's really where his
Speaker 8: teachings came from. And he was able to adjust, you know,
Speaker 8: two different generations.
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't have been his favorite at the beginning
Speaker 1: because you don't read or do test well.
Speaker 7: When he gave us that that book, I shit stayed
Speaker 7: in the locker. I had to run the plays. I
Speaker 7: can't read and figure out I have to actually do
Speaker 7: it to play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't work for me. Met you exactly right,
Speaker 3: and I'm proud to say it. Mitch, tell me what
Speaker 3: you need.
Speaker 1: Your thought, Nelly, you're fresh out of college.
Speaker 3: What's your thought? Your first impression in.
Speaker 2: Nelly, I never thought I was gonna come to Golden
Speaker 2: State as well. Back then we had when you were
Speaker 2: a senior, we had the Orlando Classic and so every
Speaker 2: player that was supposed to be in the draft played
Speaker 2: against each other. So they would have five or six
Speaker 2: teams and then NBA coaches will coach the team.
Speaker 3: Nelly coached me.
Speaker 2: And ended up like when I went to that camp,
Speaker 2: they said I was gonna get drafted between twenty one
Speaker 2: and twenty five. After that camp, they said I was
Speaker 2: going to be the top five. Nelly never said anything
Speaker 2: to me. He was the coach. I would see him
Speaker 2: in the airport, never said nothing. I would be in
Speaker 2: I've been in the same elevator with him. No, just
Speaker 2: keep his head down. And so I never thought I
Speaker 2: was going to come to, you know, Golden State, and
Speaker 2: so when the draft came, I thought I was going
Speaker 2: to go to Philly at number three, but I think
Speaker 2: they did Charles Smith and then they traded Hershey Hawkins
Speaker 2: for Charles Smith.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 2: Cotton fitz Simmons was at Phoenix and he said, if
Speaker 2: you get to eight, I'm taking you, because I followed
Speaker 2: Cotton from junior college to Kansas State and then he
Speaker 2: went to a coach at I mean he was a
Speaker 2: general manager so at Phoenix. So when Golden State drafted me,
Speaker 2: I was like, man, he never would say anything to me.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know anything.
Speaker 2: But when I first got here, Man, I can remember
Speaker 2: playing an the Olympics because we was on the Olympic
Speaker 2: team before we went to the camp. And so when
Speaker 2: I when we left the Olympics, I flew all the
Speaker 2: way back to Oakland, went straight to the gym and
Speaker 2: and Nelly was there, and so I played. I just
Speaker 2: wanted to get wanted to get here and get acclimated.
Speaker 2: Nellie pulled me aside and say, man, you were terrible. Man,
Speaker 2: I say, man, I just took nineteen hours on the flight, bro,
Speaker 2: I just came from Soul, Korea. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: come in.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, you were telling you need a lot
Speaker 3: of work.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dagn It's like, man, this is gonna be tough,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I remember, and I
Speaker 2: didn't get signed that year because I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3: I didn't even have training camp, so I had to go.
Speaker 2: I went to LA for a couple of days, went
Speaker 2: to Chicago for a couple of days to start working out,
Speaker 2: and I didn't meet the team until Hawaii when we
Speaker 2: were playing the Lakers. And so but but Nellie was
Speaker 2: great because he put us in such good positions and
Speaker 2: he gave you confidence, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: he gave us confidence and say do what you do,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Work on your stuff and
Speaker 2: practice when you get to the game, do what you're
Speaker 2: supposed to do.
Speaker 3: Don't try nothing, in any game. So he was really
Speaker 3: good at that. Tim, did you turn your style up? Down?
Speaker 1: Keep it the same? When you first got here? What
Speaker 1: was your first impression and how did you guys bond?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: He just let me do? What I just do?
Speaker 6: He just like, just go ahead and just play. And
Speaker 6: he had to confidence to change the shot. He tried
Speaker 6: to change my shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah you remember that?
Speaker 4: No, I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: It's always been a knuckleball. It was always He tried
Speaker 2: to change it. Did He said, you know what it
Speaker 2: was going in?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if it goes in, why change you know?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 6: But I mean when I first got here, I just
Speaker 6: had so much respect, and you know you, I come
Speaker 6: from a situation where you always listen to the coach,
Speaker 6: always here to the coach, always gonna do what you
Speaker 6: can do for the coach, and whatever he says, you're.
Speaker 4: Gonna go out there and play.
Speaker 6: But y'all remember that that that summer league camp to
Speaker 6: him and sat sand Sanders Head And where.
Speaker 4: Was that at New Hampshire?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yes, he drugged me like two a day's. He was like, son,
Speaker 6: you're not gonna make it. Son, You're not gonna make it.
Speaker 6: First of all, you're too short. You know, you're not needed.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: It was like, you gotta get quick. I want you
Speaker 6: to do this. I want you to do that. I'm like,
Speaker 6: And then I go back to the room, I'm like.
Speaker 3: Why the hell you draft me?
Speaker 4: Why tell everybody?
Speaker 6: And I guess, I guess that's to like build your
Speaker 6: confidence up, make you understand.
Speaker 4: You know, you gotta work harder. I want you to.
Speaker 6: I want you to think. I want you to go
Speaker 6: out there and understand what I'm saying. And he did
Speaker 6: that to me and Sharonis for two a days, for
Speaker 6: like ten days. He did that to me in Sharonis
Speaker 6: for ten days out on New Hampshire, Sharon Is, uh
Speaker 6: you Shrooners were so frustrated. He sometimes he was crying.
Speaker 6: And that's how frustrated.
Speaker 3: First introduction to cut you up to the United States
Speaker 3: was right.
Speaker 4: He didn't understand English. He didn't understand the language that
Speaker 4: well too.
Speaker 6: And then he's listening to Donnie Nelson and Donny Nelson
Speaker 6: is trying to tell him and he was just getting
Speaker 6: frustrated and.
Speaker 4: He's like, what am I doing wrong?
Speaker 6: And man, we just sat in the room one day
Speaker 6: and we just talked and we just said, you know what, Ronnie,
Speaker 6: we're gonna come in. Man, we're just gonna play, and
Speaker 6: we're just gonna say fuck it. And I guess that's
Speaker 6: what he wanted us to do. And we the next
Speaker 6: day it was like the last two days. And you
Speaker 6: could tell the satisfaction on Nelly's face. He didn't say nothing,
Speaker 6: but you could tell the satisfaction on his face. All Right,
Speaker 6: I see you in October, late September, and then but see,
Speaker 6: I tell guys today, y'all don't know about we never
Speaker 6: had We had one or two prec preseason games, training camps,
Speaker 6: everything for thirty days or twenty two, twenty five days, right,
Speaker 6: two days was like twenty days. Your body's beat the
Speaker 6: fuck up.
Speaker 4: I mean, you beat up.
Speaker 6: I mean it takes you through a mental psychic, especially
Speaker 6: if you're a rookie. You know, man, I'm tired. My
Speaker 6: body's tired. I'm ready to go home. I don't want
Speaker 6: to do nothing but sleep. You don't even want to eat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how the halftime for that next thing.
Speaker 6: You know, it's get taped you and that thing, and
Speaker 6: you sitting down like Mann.
Speaker 4: The next thing, you know, you start sweating and all right,
Speaker 4: let's go.
Speaker 6: And then he started yelling at everybody get yelled at
Speaker 6: and then you know you but yeah, man, I that's
Speaker 6: where I think the confidence came. I think that's where
Speaker 6: the camaraderie came from all of us and we all
Speaker 6: understood what we need to do to make this team
Speaker 6: work and to win games.
Speaker 4: And we was all on one page.
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody, Rod Higgins, Terry t Go, Tom Tober, everybody, everybody.
Speaker 1: Where did the explosion run TMC hit? First of all,
Speaker 1: where'd the name come from? And I remember hearing that
Speaker 1: as a little kid. I mean, I know it had
Speaker 1: to be bigger than what it was when I heard it,
Speaker 1: but it was amazing to me. But where did the
Speaker 1: name come from? And obviously it was a style of play,
Speaker 1: But how did you guys embrace that name?
Speaker 3: Well, they had like a fan involvement.
Speaker 8: You know, we started scoring big points and you know,
Speaker 8: started garnering some excitement, selling the arena out. I think
Speaker 8: it was actually the San Francisco Chronicle had you know,
Speaker 8: fans right in their suggestions. And then Steve Albert, who
Speaker 8: was our TV and now to the time we did
Speaker 8: something that practice. We pulled a few names out of
Speaker 8: a hat.
Speaker 6: And no, we didn't put free names out of the hat,
Speaker 6: put a lot it went to We stopped the camera,
Speaker 6: we started looking at stuff.
Speaker 4: We like stuff. It was this big jumbo thing. Man,
Speaker 4: it had to be a thousand names up.
Speaker 3: And there it was some crazy ones, some some goofy wall.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.
Speaker 8: It was run CMC hit and obviously Jack. You know,
Speaker 8: ironically Daryl McDaniel, part from DMC was my class made
Speaker 8: at Saint John' so we had gone back back way
Speaker 8: back to college days. So I was like, yo, that's
Speaker 8: gotta be it, and they were on board. So and
Speaker 8: then it's funny how, you know, I mean, I didn't
Speaker 8: really even know this till way after I finished playing.
Speaker 8: We only played two seasons, so I didn't know that because.
Speaker 3: Of the impact that these guys really had. But uh,
Speaker 3: and then I guess having a nickname does help it
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, it has stuck all these years.
Speaker 8: It's funny how that one little practice session was kind
Speaker 8: of we probably re lucky. We did it reluctantly because like,
Speaker 8: come on, we want to go home. But looking back
Speaker 8: thirty five years later, that little little kind.
Speaker 1: Of gimmick has stuck forever you know what's funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys got two years. We had one year that
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We believe it was one
Speaker 1: year one year office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean next year because we tried.
Speaker 3: We traded j Rich next year. You know.
Speaker 1: But like I said that, like the d like you said,
Speaker 1: the impact of a name can last a lifetime. When
Speaker 1: I came back here in seventeen and played with those
Speaker 1: guys that won the championship, they wanted to know, the
Speaker 1: media wanted to know, and the fan what was that
Speaker 1: we would leave team?
Speaker 8: So when let me ask you guys, I want to
Speaker 8: ask you guys this because Jack, you had a pretty
Speaker 8: good career before you came here. Matt you had bounced around,
Speaker 8: but you had you had some solid years. What made
Speaker 8: it different that we believe team? And we talked about
Speaker 8: Nelly our experience. What made that group different from your
Speaker 8: other experiences?
Speaker 3: Right, because because.
Speaker 8: Again the short short time lived, but the impact and
Speaker 8: the short amount of time to talk about your guys
Speaker 8: experience for that, we believed team.
Speaker 7: I think for me, it's kind of real, similar to
Speaker 7: what I said, Like I said, I had my own
Speaker 7: issues before I came here, But It was Nelly for
Speaker 7: me because when I first came here, you know, he
Speaker 7: my first conversation with us, He got me and b
Speaker 7: D drunk and told us we're the captains.
Speaker 3: I've never been to captain of no team. You know.
Speaker 7: He would just let me know immediately when I got here,
Speaker 7: I don't care about what you've been through. I know,
Speaker 7: you get your first seven games here, you suspend, don't
Speaker 7: worry about none of that.
Speaker 3: You're on my guy.
Speaker 7: And he gave me the confidence coming in I've never
Speaker 7: had from anybody since Pop really, you know. So it
Speaker 7: was refreshed for me. Then I'm here with all the
Speaker 7: guys that I knew bad al you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I knew all these guys, so it just felt right
Speaker 7: and I needed a change, you know, I need a chance.
Speaker 7: So it was a blessing this guy for y'all bringing me.
Speaker 7: That's why if I ever appreciate, appreciate you for that.
Speaker 3: And I think too.
Speaker 1: By the time Nelly had us, he had gone to
Speaker 1: the kind of the positive reinforcement. Instead of giving you,
Speaker 1: he gave you guys the negative to try to figure
Speaker 1: it out. He was just really warm from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I mean my whole shit. I came and played the
Speaker 1: open gym. I didn't have a job, and Nelly happened
Speaker 1: to be watching, and I played well in open gym
Speaker 1: with Baron and he came in and put his arm
Speaker 1: around me, like, son, where you going to camp?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's like, we got a full roster and invice, but
Speaker 1: if you play like you played today, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you a chance. And I beat everybody out and they
Speaker 1: cut a couple of dudes. And then I went from
Speaker 1: being on the bench and he's like, hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you a shot.
Speaker 3: He's like, if you're open, shoot the ball.
Speaker 1: And that's what I went from making ten three pointers
Speaker 1: in my first four seasons to over one hundred that
Speaker 1: initial season because it was the confidence that Nelly did.
Speaker 1: But it started with him. And then, like he said,
Speaker 1: our bond with our teammates. We were everywhere. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you guys heard about it. We were everywhere everywhere doing
Speaker 1: every we heard about it.
Speaker 3: We were in the front. Wasn't all hell, No, we
Speaker 3: wouldn't doing none of that. You definitely brought that they were.
Speaker 1: I was just I was just sitting in my house
Speaker 1: smoking until Jack made us all smoke.
Speaker 5: But no.
Speaker 4: But see that's how Nelly is. You know, Nelly was smart.
Speaker 6: He knew how to put a team together, and he
Speaker 6: knew how to make the pieces work, and he knew
Speaker 6: which piece that he needed for that team to make
Speaker 6: it work.
Speaker 4: We had Tom Tobert. Tom Toba was the joke.
Speaker 6: Nelly be mad coming there, furious talking, smack this and that,
Speaker 6: and Tom will say something funny right after you. As
Speaker 6: soon as he walked out, he'd be like, he'd say
Speaker 6: something funny and we're like, okay, were good, We're good.
Speaker 4: But that's the way Tom was. But we needed that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: Tom will come in from from Las Vegas at four
Speaker 6: in the morning, come straight to the arena for shooting
Speaker 6: around and he'd be like, yeah, man, I lost all
Speaker 6: my money and I'm still drunk, and so let's get
Speaker 6: this ship over and let's hurry up.
Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna shoot some jump shots. Nelly got
Speaker 4: something else. All right, we're gonna run oh ship. He
Speaker 4: must have known I was out of town. Yeah, motherfucker
Speaker 4: you talking. I mean, but that's the way it is.
Speaker 6: You gotta have somebody on that team, on your team
Speaker 6: that could just take that edge weight at times, and
Speaker 6: Nellie knew who that guy was.
Speaker 2: And I think you know, you say we played two seasons.
Speaker 2: I think we felt it was longer than that because
Speaker 2: of the training camps, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 2: were together every day. I'm just saying, Man, we practiced it.
Speaker 2: We together, we backing, so we may thought better. That's
Speaker 2: fives we.
Speaker 6: Played, didn't He put some cots out there, some beds
Speaker 6: out there one time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he put everything out there.
Speaker 6: Jail and we didn't lead a gym like a couple
Speaker 6: of days, just did not lead a gym us like that.
Speaker 4: I was lucky. Yeah, I was lucky. I mean he was.
Speaker 6: I mean just some of the stuff that he did,
Speaker 6: like you said, the doll coming in, just shipping over the.
Speaker 7: Court, man, practice Lucky just walking up we playing five
Speaker 7: and five, he just shipped on the court.
Speaker 3: That come on, lucky.
Speaker 7: Coach is the only coach that I played for that
Speaker 7: by the time he started practice at ten thirty, he
Speaker 7: went through a six pack, oh, no question, and coaching
Speaker 7: like he's sober, no question.
Speaker 3: I missed. Coach.
Speaker 7: He was the only coach that actually let us be us,
Speaker 7: and I think that's why we had success. Shout our coach.
Speaker 7: Let's get back to y'all. Ninety one playoff y'all upset
Speaker 7: the Spurs in the first round. David Robinson ro Strickland.
Speaker 7: How crazy did that go?
Speaker 3: Oh man and oil arena around that time? How was
Speaker 3: it loud like? Because we experienced it too, not quite
Speaker 3: as loud as we believe.
Speaker 8: But but on this way there and that particular series
Speaker 8: you mentioned, David and Terry Cummins rosh they had a
Speaker 8: really talented team. Larry Brown was the coach. We lost
Speaker 8: game one in the first round. Back then was a
Speaker 8: five game series. It was a short series. You really
Speaker 8: have a whole lot of wiggle room. We got blown
Speaker 8: out that first game, and typical Nelly, he walked in
Speaker 8: the locker room, He's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, we got him, we got hit that. Come
Speaker 3: back tomorrow. We got a little walk.
Speaker 8: Through and uh yeah, yeah yeah two one. So game two,
Speaker 8: Nelly's adjustment was we had started I think Tom of
Speaker 8: a Jim Peterson and you know, matched up with David.
Speaker 8: In game two, we started us three, Rod Higgins and
Speaker 8: Mary Ellie.
Speaker 3: We went ultra small. Who guarded who guarded? Uh?
Speaker 8: David Rod front, front, the post and the top exactly,
Speaker 8: you know, you know what, but uh yeah, and we
Speaker 8: won three in a row. So so again all went
Speaker 8: down two no, gentleman, sweet so yeah, just again.
Speaker 3: You know you're looking now. The way the games played.
Speaker 8: Now, The way you guys played very similar to what
Speaker 8: teams are trying to do now. Not as many threes,
Speaker 8: spreading the floor, attacking the attacking the paint, kicking out
Speaker 8: for open shots. Uh, not really worrying about guarding the
Speaker 8: big got him as a team maybe like we did Novitzky,
Speaker 8: or we'd always front the post. And Nelly always felt like,
Speaker 8: you can't lose a game by people throwing over the top.
Speaker 8: They're gonna score some, but you got not gonna lose
Speaker 8: the game that way.
Speaker 3: What was that matchup like with you and rock.
Speaker 4: Ooh yeah, he fucked me up.
Speaker 6: The first guy the first game, he fucked me up. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he gave it to me. He yeah, he gave it
Speaker 6: to me. But the next day in practice Nelly said,
Speaker 6: and you know, we had Greg Popovich as our assistant coach.
Speaker 4: To yea, yeah, he was our assistant coach.
Speaker 6: But Nellie went up and started walking around doing his
Speaker 6: walking around the concourse, and we was down there playing
Speaker 6: three on three whole court.
Speaker 4: We was playing like for about an hour hour. No, no,
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: So we we we're playing three on three whole court
Speaker 6: for about an hour, hour and a half.
Speaker 4: Now they come back downstairs, like y'all still here.
Speaker 6: Was like, yeah, man, you know, and Newly said, we're gonna,
Speaker 6: we're gonna, We're gonna play horse. I get the first shots,
Speaker 6: but we're gonna play with one ball. They put the
Speaker 6: ball up. He said, I got the first shot. He said, Man,
Speaker 6: get the fuck up out of here. So we left
Speaker 6: and we came back. It was but it was a
Speaker 6: different type of air. We came back to the arena
Speaker 6: the next day that shooting around. You could just feel
Speaker 6: the confidence of us just oozing through the whole arena.
Speaker 6: I mean you could tell the focus was there, the
Speaker 6: tension and detail was there. You know, guys was making
Speaker 6: I mean guys probably in their misshots that whole you know,
Speaker 6: that whole shooting round and it was just focused. We
Speaker 6: came back that night. Yeah, fucked him up. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: I got him back. But we but but it was
Speaker 6: you know what, it was collective, uh teamwork with with
Speaker 6: all of us Mario Ally, Rod Strickland. I mean Rod
Speaker 6: Higgins making threes, timely threes. David Robinson was looking at
Speaker 6: Larry Brown like.
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to go that. I was supposed to do
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 6: He got frustrated because he wasn't getting the ball like
Speaker 6: he normally do.
Speaker 4: He couldn't score.
Speaker 6: Then he had he was like three, you know that
Speaker 6: the rules was you can't come down and double team
Speaker 6: nobody without the ball. So he didn't know what doing.
Speaker 6: We throw it back to Rod, and we throw it
Speaker 6: back to Tom tober shoot the three. He was he
Speaker 6: was all messed up and so and once you get
Speaker 6: him messed up, then they started talking to each other
Speaker 6: and William Anderson started talking and stuff. They didn't know
Speaker 6: what to do, and they started arguing among each other,
Speaker 6: and we was like, oh, we got.
Speaker 1: Him, Mitch, when did you know to that point when
Speaker 1: you when did you know in that series that y'all
Speaker 1: had him?
Speaker 2: In Game two, Game one, we were kind of there,
Speaker 2: but they kind of blew us how we were just
Speaker 2: missing shots. And I felt like we can we could
Speaker 2: have went, we could have won the game. And you
Speaker 2: remember Nelly came in the locker room and said what
Speaker 2: Molly said that we got him, but you two, muther freaking's.
Speaker 3: Got to play some defense. So Willie with me and Tim.
Speaker 6: Yeah was great.
Speaker 2: I guess YouTube because WILLI had a great game and
Speaker 2: and Rod had a great game, and so.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I was getting my asked.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we switched it up.
Speaker 2: And once we switched it up with Rod, and Rod
Speaker 2: was kind of playing that that rover like Draymond Green
Speaker 2: where you passed it to him he dribble us and
Speaker 2: and David couldn't. David couldn't understand what was going on,
Speaker 2: and we just kept running and once we got the rebound,
Speaker 2: you know, it.
Speaker 3: Was on and David could run run around that time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: chasing the three men.
Speaker 4: Right getting backscreen guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, walkee, yeah doing it. We all get traded at
Speaker 3: some point. Yeah, walk is different though, you don't like
Speaker 3: somebody with the walk.
Speaker 7: Look, first man, y'all lose to the Lakers in round
Speaker 7: two at ninety one. Then the off season Mitches traded
Speaker 7: to Sack. I know that was the still make your excel.
Speaker 3: You don't like somebody, you trade them the Sack And
Speaker 3: how did it?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: What was there? Did you guys know the reason behind that?
Speaker 5: Was there?
Speaker 1: Any strategy behind it? Was it because I've known for
Speaker 1: I've known the best side of Nelly. And then Nelly
Speaker 1: went bad on me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. He went bad on you too. He
Speaker 3: went bad on me, he went bad on man. Hey, Nellie,
Speaker 3: real quick story.
Speaker 1: I turned this is my first time really playing and
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to get money, and I turned down
Speaker 1: a three year extension. You go, and I took just
Speaker 1: four million for one year because I felt like, all right,
Speaker 1: I may give me one more season. I'm gona get
Speaker 1: my thirty or forty million. My mom died at the
Speaker 1: beginning of that next season. Once I kind of got
Speaker 1: out the clouds, Nellie's like, pull me to the side
Speaker 1: of the back. I'm glad you just signed an extension.
Speaker 1: Your time here is up. I'm like, damn moly. Like so,
Speaker 1: I saw the best of Nelly. I saw the worst
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 3: You remember what he said the Patrick O'Brien when he
Speaker 3: was there.
Speaker 7: Oh man, she told Patrick O'Brien said, Patrick, you know what,
Speaker 7: all my years of coaching, you are the only player
Speaker 7: that's gotten worse since I've been coaching.
Speaker 2: Oh he was, Oh, but I think same thing. What
Speaker 2: you're talking about like I can remember at the time,
Speaker 2: we were flying commercial and I was sitting at the
Speaker 2: airport and Nellie came up to me and said, hey, man.
Speaker 3: Why you know why you're not signing the extension.
Speaker 2: And I said, uh, well, I mean I just think
Speaker 2: that I'm worth a little bit more than that. He said,
Speaker 2: you must don't want to be here. Said oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I said, no, I want to. I want to be here.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like you, you're low balling me my
Speaker 2: last year. I got another year on my contract, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, So I don't I want to
Speaker 2: be here. It's like I say, so, I say, I
Speaker 2: just you know, you just paid money and I say,
Speaker 2: you know, he said money was? I say, who is
Speaker 2: the best player? He said, Chris Mullen is the best player.
Speaker 2: At some point in time, you're gonna, you know, get
Speaker 2: up there. And I said, okay, so you just paid
Speaker 2: money three something whatever it was, just put me right
Speaker 2: below him. Then if you don't, if you don't believe
Speaker 2: in that, just give me one more year and I
Speaker 2: show you that I'm worth it. But I want to
Speaker 2: be here.
Speaker 3: I love this team.
Speaker 2: After that, boy, I was on the trade block every
Speaker 2: time I looked at the paper. I'm like, God, damn,
Speaker 2: what happened?
Speaker 3: Man? What happened?
Speaker 2: Then in the preseason, the preseason, it's the preseason. He
Speaker 2: playing me crazy and Sacramento. I'm like, something happening, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's the preseason. I'm playing thirty minutes like, Man,
Speaker 2: something happening.
Speaker 3: Man, the dude turning the trade display. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: thought he was gonna try.
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna I thought he's gonna trade
Speaker 2: me to Boston and somewhere like that.
Speaker 3: But he traded me to Sacramento.
Speaker 2: And I can remember seeing Molley in Denver getting ready
Speaker 2: to go down to the bus. Mulley sees me in
Speaker 2: the elevator and going down to the elevator and he said,
Speaker 2: where you're going. I was going up, he was going down.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to Nellie's. Uh, going to Nellie's room.
Speaker 2: I know something going on. So when I opened the door,
Speaker 2: he had the latch on the door. He's sitting on
Speaker 2: the back of the window with the you know when
Speaker 2: they have the air conditions in the back. I opened
Speaker 2: the door and I say, Man, don't tell me you
Speaker 2: traded me the Sacramento bro. He said, I traded you
Speaker 2: the Sacramento I just turned right back around and left
Speaker 2: and probably didn't speak to him until the time he
Speaker 2: came back to We believe, really didn't.
Speaker 3: Speak to him.
Speaker 7: What was y'all thinking at the time, till Molly, What
Speaker 7: was y'all thinking at the time.
Speaker 8: We were shocked and upset. I didn't know about those conversations.
Speaker 8: As far as contracting, We didn't. We didn't involve each
Speaker 8: other in that stuff. It was like, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 8: we were shocked. The good thing is we've remained really
Speaker 8: close despite that, maybe closer so you know, mitchan on
Speaker 8: and had an incredible career from then on. Tim had
Speaker 8: two incredible careers, one with Us, one with Miami.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So but you know, when when something like that happens,
Speaker 8: this is pre somewhat, I guess, player empowerment. So we
Speaker 8: were really weren't in on that stuff. They didn't consult us.
Speaker 8: That was it was totally different. We played and that
Speaker 8: was our job, and you know, so yeah, and then
Speaker 8: you know, the the ironic thing was when that happened
Speaker 8: Opening night, we came back on a back to back
Speaker 8: and played Sacramento.
Speaker 3: Mitch didn't play. I couldn't play. I couldn't play. My
Speaker 3: mind was gone. Man, I was scarred. Gard go ahead,
Speaker 3: I mean, but he told us.
Speaker 1: You told us you didn't even move to Sack, right,
Speaker 1: You was just computing back and forth.
Speaker 3: Just bought my house in Alameda.
Speaker 2: And anytime, you know, the Warriors had at a like
Speaker 2: a team get together, I was with them.
Speaker 3: I was, I was. I was at Chris House. I
Speaker 3: was at Chris all the whole time. Like, man, this
Speaker 3: is my tea. Man, I don't know what y'all. I'm
Speaker 3: just playing Summer League down there.
Speaker 7: Ship.
Speaker 2: I was at every Christmas party. I was at Chris
Speaker 2: House the first one there. Like we are the same team. Like, man,
Speaker 2: I ain't going down there.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: So my first three four years I lived in Alameda.
Speaker 2: I just commuted every day.
Speaker 3: But remember that game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he walked into our locker room. It's like Mitch.
Speaker 3: I walked in their locker room.
Speaker 4: You know, he was playing Sack. He thought, walked into
Speaker 4: the locker room.
Speaker 3: I was done.
Speaker 6: Everybody's like Mitch. Mitch was like, he walked right back out.
Speaker 6: He walked out of the building, got back in his
Speaker 6: car and went home.
Speaker 2: At first, I went to the locker room and Dick
Speaker 2: made at the time was and Dick Marner.
Speaker 3: I was just sitting in the locker room. Man, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: I was a young player, you know, I was a
Speaker 2: young player. So I'm just sitting in the locker room like, man,
Speaker 2: my life is over. Like man, that's that was my
Speaker 2: team because we did everything everything together.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: So I was really hurt.
Speaker 2: And Dick Marter came and said, hey, you're gonna get dressed.
Speaker 2: I say, man, I can't play, man, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: my team.
Speaker 3: I can't play bro. I'm not ready to play missus
Speaker 3: watering man. Man, I said, I can't. I can't play bro.
Speaker 3: I can't play.
Speaker 6: Actually, it took him a week to get to Sack. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he took like a week off.
Speaker 4: He had to get there. I mean, that's how that's
Speaker 4: how special our team was. That's how special we was
Speaker 4: to each other.
Speaker 6: And you know, we it still was a business and
Speaker 6: we still had to go out there and play, but
Speaker 6: we knew that something was missing.
Speaker 4: Even though Billy was there. Yeah, we still was like and.
Speaker 3: You had to go and do your job at the
Speaker 3: end of the day.
Speaker 2: Still I still had to go and I had to
Speaker 2: figure that out at the too. But but once I
Speaker 2: got so that game, y'all said, we lost by sixty one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, lost by sixty one points. And so they
Speaker 2: supposed to have the practice, you know, a few days.
Speaker 3: They had two or three days off after that loss.
Speaker 3: Let it sit two or three days off.
Speaker 2: Now I'm coming from Nelly, who we get a win,
Speaker 2: we practicing. Now that they lost by sixty one, they
Speaker 2: got two days off, I'm like, oh my god. Open yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god. So yeah, So it was
Speaker 2: it was tough to see every day. And then you know,
Speaker 2: still being in Sacramento, Golden State. You know, they they
Speaker 2: fled the headlines. You know what I mean, you guys
Speaker 2: was on the headlines every time, and I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the paper every day.
Speaker 3: Brother, it was tough.
Speaker 2: I didn't if y'all see the pictures of my year.
Speaker 2: I said, I was not gonna comb my hair. I said, Man,
Speaker 2: I ain't worried about nothing. I'm just gonna play ball,
Speaker 2: ain't gonna say nothing. I'm just gonna just go hoop.
Speaker 2: I ain't worried about nothing else.
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Speaker 8: Roll, Uh, Jack, we spoke, Yes, said, I want to
Speaker 8: thank you and Matt first, congratulate you on your post
Speaker 8: career success.
Speaker 3: You said, said real a.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and to the Bay Area with that, with that
Speaker 3: much similar to us. With that, we believe team. You
Speaker 3: guys re energize the organization. Uh. Loudest building I ever
Speaker 3: heard was when you guys were.
Speaker 1: You, I mean you guys like I said, Well, you
Speaker 1: guys saved our careers. You know, like I said, we
Speaker 1: did it together. I was bouncing around, he was coming
Speaker 1: out of trouble and and like you said, said, Nelly's
Speaker 1: foresight to understand the pieces that he needed.
Speaker 3: Were important.
Speaker 8: It's funny if you look up here, you may think
Speaker 8: opposites are track, but similarities attracted.
Speaker 3: We have a lot of similarities.
Speaker 7: I mean over time, Like even over time when I
Speaker 7: first got to go to State, I got to learn
Speaker 7: more about all both of y'all. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 7: even man, you be built a better relationship because I
Speaker 7: really didn't know y'all at all, but I knew of you,
Speaker 7: but even to this day, to right now, to know
Speaker 7: more your money and to know what you went through, like,
Speaker 7: I admire you even more because you don't know these stories.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I've seen you played basketball, I didn't know what you
Speaker 7: went through off the court, so I had already respected
Speaker 7: you as a man and as a player, but I
Speaker 7: respect you.
Speaker 3: Even more now. That's why I like what you guys
Speaker 3: are doing.
Speaker 8: We're bringing stories to like because you know, you can
Speaker 8: look up the stats, you can look up the wins
Speaker 8: and losses or championship rings, but the personal relationships that
Speaker 8: we form, but then we call so pass that on
Speaker 8: to the next generation, right and help that next generation,
Speaker 8: you know, navigate their journey. I feel like you guys
Speaker 8: are doing great job. Thank you that thank you.
Speaker 3: I came up in Texas. Yeah, in Texas, so I
Speaker 3: know I know a lot about you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you came up in Texas, in.
Speaker 7: Texas, so I know a lot about you. What I'm saying,
Speaker 7: growing up, you know everything you are. You are a
Speaker 7: big part of our basketball life and the soundtrack of
Speaker 7: our life too.
Speaker 1: So we appreciate you and definitely too. I think the
Speaker 1: one reason why we wanted to start this was to
Speaker 1: be able to celebrate guys like you because I feel like,
Speaker 1: obviously you guys missed the social media era and everything
Speaker 1: is overhyped and over dramatized now, But we grew up.
Speaker 1: I was born in eighty when we were born seventy eight, yep,
Speaker 1: So we understood what it used to be like in
Speaker 1: the grind. Like we talk about load management now, y'all
Speaker 1: had twenty eight straight days of do it. You know,
Speaker 1: there wasn't no such thing.
Speaker 4: It was no such thing as you guys.
Speaker 1: It was a badge of honor to play eighty two.
Speaker 1: That's how we came up. It was a badge of
Speaker 1: honor to play eighty two. So just not forgetting that,
Speaker 1: you know, the people before you, but obviously when we
Speaker 1: were able to watch what you guys were able to do,
Speaker 1: for us and inspire us and then get a chance
Speaker 1: to work with you, then get a chance to know
Speaker 1: you so again. Man, we want to definitely celebrate you guys.
Speaker 1: Thank all three of you guys, because you've all been
Speaker 1: on the show individually, but now to come back as
Speaker 1: a unit. Man, we appreciate you. We got some We
Speaker 1: got some more gifts. Mother, you're just getting loaded up
Speaker 1: this trip. Money got a bad guess, smell like there's
Speaker 1: some weed in there too.
Speaker 3: There. You don't need that medicine.
Speaker 4: You can just I know some people. People got some questions.
Speaker 4: Who made that chicken over there? It's on fire? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was on fire.
Speaker 3: Make sure y'all get a plate.
Speaker 4: Leave well made that I need your car for real.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, guys, man, Thank you guys, Thank you guys.
Speaker 3: T C y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they gotta go do some NBA ship. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do some fan questions, real quick questions, questions. Anybody with
Speaker 1: some questions. Don't be shy if you don't want to
Speaker 1: ask questions, I'm just gonna go upstairs and smoke. So
Speaker 1: yes already.
Speaker 4: Who was your response to this?
Speaker 1: Free I think the trade put Dallas in a position
Speaker 1: if they could stay healthy to win now, but you
Speaker 1: don't as a Laker.
Speaker 3: I've always been a Laker fan.
Speaker 1: You don't pass on the opportunity to get a generational star,
Speaker 1: which I think Luca is. I think the Lakers still
Speaker 1: need to build around that. I think they found who's
Speaker 1: next after Lebron obviously, but for those two guys to
Speaker 1: win together, they you know, they need to add a
Speaker 1: few big guys. But I think it's great. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think it's fun. I think
Speaker 1: it's what makes the NBA crazy is you just never
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, so free. I would say,
Speaker 1: Dallas one now in La one that the long game,
Speaker 1: don't be shy, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: With the success of the w n b A, do
Speaker 3: you think the NBA could ever have anything.
Speaker 7: Similar to unrival I do that when you could just
Speaker 7: partner with the Big three.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't even say partner with the big three.
Speaker 1: I think the issue is, and someone correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, what the WNBA players are being paid. I
Speaker 1: think Unrivaled is able to give them something to do
Speaker 1: in the off seasons so the don't have to go
Speaker 1: overseas and possibly get hurt. But the way the NBANBA
Speaker 1: players are making so much money that I don't ever
Speaker 1: really see, especially with the Big Three already in existence.
Speaker 1: I don't never really see the Big or the NBA
Speaker 1: kind of changing that format or having an NBA offseason
Speaker 1: because we play eighty two games, playoffs, a ton of money,
Speaker 1: and then our break is only really three months, So
Speaker 1: if you did Unrival, that's ten weeks out of three months.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it happening. But I like Unrival though,
Speaker 1: I think it's dope. I love the one on one competition.
Speaker 1: I like the thought process behind it and the fact
Speaker 1: that you can get the best players in your league
Speaker 1: to all commit to that that's special.
Speaker 7: I think it's just smarter for the NBA just to
Speaker 7: get behind the Big Three, all the older players in
Speaker 7: the Hall of Famers that they tried around all year
Speaker 7: to Africa and all the other places to raise money
Speaker 7: for the NBA. These are the coaches of the Big Three.
Speaker 7: George Gervin, doctor j Gary Payton, all these guys are
Speaker 7: the head coaches.
Speaker 3: So why wouldn't you support these guys another time you.
Speaker 7: Support them, we should support them with the Big Three
Speaker 7: as well. So I think the NBA should get behind
Speaker 7: them since it's all their players and all their coaches
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 3: Makes more sense than anything, so guarantee. Question.
Speaker 8: So when your kids.
Speaker 1: Work, kids in your life are on a team where
Speaker 1: they are issues with.
Speaker 7: A coach or they love the coach, what advice do
Speaker 7: you give kids or kids who.
Speaker 8: Played for you.
Speaker 7: How to connect with their coach or getting the best
Speaker 7: out of what the coach on the bring to that.
Speaker 1: It just depends because I'm in the space as far
Speaker 1: as coaching, I retired in seventeen, and I've been coaching
Speaker 1: my twins since they were eight and they're sixteen now.
Speaker 1: A lot of these coaches, to be honest with, you
Speaker 1: can't coach first and foremost. But I always try to
Speaker 1: teach my kids the mental side of the game. I
Speaker 1: feel like the skill development will come, but to be
Speaker 1: able to make it to the top, it takes a
Speaker 1: lot of luck, but it takes a strong mental focus
Speaker 1: in fortitude. So since they were eight, I've been teaching
Speaker 1: them NBA sets and how to play without the ball
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And I wish more
Speaker 1: coaches would really pour into the mental and the teaching
Speaker 1: aspect because I feel like in the AAU space, it's
Speaker 1: upside down. You know, in Europe they'll practice six days
Speaker 1: to play one game, or practice one day to play
Speaker 1: eight games on a weekend, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, some of that
Speaker 1: just gets repetitive. I don't really think you're growing as
Speaker 1: a player mentally or really skill wise because you're just
Speaker 1: always playing and playing is a lot different than working.
Speaker 1: So but most of the time, if you do have
Speaker 1: a good coach, talk to him. This is something I
Speaker 1: learned in the NBA was because I played on a
Speaker 1: few teams, go what are you looking for me to do?
Speaker 1: Like when I'm on the court, what do you want
Speaker 1: me to do? And when that coach tells you that,
Speaker 1: you got to understand it and do it because they
Speaker 1: have to know and trust. Every time I put Matt
Speaker 1: out there, every time I put Steven out there, I
Speaker 1: know what he's going to do. A coach is not
Speaker 1: going to put someone out there with shit. He might
Speaker 1: do this, he might not, Like you don't have a chance.
Speaker 1: Then you very seldom have wild cards on the court.
Speaker 1: You know, call like you said, But for me, I
Speaker 1: think got to be honest with their kids. You got
Speaker 1: some parents that are bring a kid out there. The
Speaker 1: kid to have no clue why what's going on in
Speaker 1: the court, and you wonder why they're on the bench.
Speaker 1: But you're coming home telling your son, he Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: you don't even know what the rebound is like. So
Speaker 1: your parents got to be you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: honest with their kids too. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you see that he's just not picking that up,
Speaker 1: then it's something that he's good at. And that's when
Speaker 1: you have to become a good parent to take the
Speaker 1: time to find out what it is because that could
Speaker 1: be killing.
Speaker 3: It may not be basketball, might not be basketball anybody else. Yep.
Speaker 5: So congratulations again on what you guys are doing. Love
Speaker 5: it and this was dope to bring the group together.
Speaker 5: You guys have talked about on a podcasts before bringing
Speaker 5: together to We Believe team.
Speaker 3: And doing this. We're supposed to do it.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to do it later today, but some guys
Speaker 1: are in and out. Some guys are in, some guys
Speaker 1: are in, then they're out. So we're supposed to actually
Speaker 1: have a We Believe show today, but it's still up
Speaker 1: in there. I got to look on my phone. But
Speaker 1: being able to get that team back has just been tough.
Speaker 1: For some reason, it's been tough. I mean, we still
Speaker 1: all kind of talk, but getting together is always different,
Speaker 1: especially because it was more you know, run TMC. Although
Speaker 1: they had a team, it was three, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, what we believe we were deep. You know,
Speaker 1: it's Monteus, jays Al, it's both of us, you know,
Speaker 1: with b Adrints, it's Petrice, you know.
Speaker 3: And so it's just kind of hard.
Speaker 1: But we will and still are trying to bring that
Speaker 1: team back together and also do a documentary on that team.
Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll be able to accomplish that. If it's
Speaker 1: not this weekend, whatever, we've been trying to get down,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. Yeah, if they had your
Speaker 1: beverage anybody else, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask.
Speaker 3: Just like you guys started a lot in the Bay Area.
Speaker 3: I grew up with. I had this nine years old. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I want I just wanted to know, like, there's
Speaker 3: just so much happening in the Bay Area. What are
Speaker 3: you guys? Top five Barrier artists.
Speaker 7: Oh it's easy because I grew up in the streets
Speaker 7: listing to bear music. I grew up on mac mal
Speaker 7: Spice one E forty and yeah short richie Vich. But
Speaker 7: today definitely the Russell and of course Simba Larry June.
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, because I was born in
Speaker 1: San Jose and kind of migrated through Oakland and then
Speaker 1: landed in Sacramento. But just the Bay is always just
Speaker 1: such a special place to me because I mean, I
Speaker 1: live in La, now live there more half my life,
Speaker 1: but like my heart is here because you guys are different.
Speaker 1: You guys look at things different. You guys move different,
Speaker 1: you respect different, you value different things.
Speaker 3: It's real out here. You know.
Speaker 1: La is a very I love La, but it's a
Speaker 1: very superficial place and there's a lot of bullshit and
Speaker 1: a lot of just bullshit talk.
Speaker 3: I hear.
Speaker 1: It's more about getting it done and being real and
Speaker 1: being kind and having good places to eat. And although
Speaker 1: y'all bit like a motherfucker, I still still love, still
Speaker 1: love the Bay.
Speaker 7: I noticed when I played here, but as a you know,
Speaker 7: later on as I got older, even when talking to Dylan,
Speaker 7: a lot of people from my hometown Poort author migrated
Speaker 7: to Oakland. Yeah, when doing the Black Panther era and
Speaker 7: a lot of that time, A lot of people from
Speaker 7: Texas migrated to Oakland because they wouldn't get treated right,
Speaker 7: and they felt like Oakland was a safe haven.
Speaker 3: So I got I got more ties to Oakland than
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody, anybody, somebody, Okay, well, yeah, go ahead, don't
Speaker 1: be scared when you guys feel like.
Speaker 8: They're the league team.
Speaker 4: Like, what was your favorite memories.
Speaker 1: Whether it be on or off words, To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I would say kicking it and building friendships.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Jack and I knew each other a
Speaker 1: little bit before he got here. We made that historical
Speaker 1: run that season, but then my mom died at the
Speaker 1: very beginning of the next season, and Jack was there
Speaker 1: by my side every step of the way.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Baron helped me get on the team, and Baron was
Speaker 1: my college teammate. And then just getting to grow closer
Speaker 1: with those guys. They're rich al Monte and the rest
Speaker 1: of the unit. I would just say the friendships we
Speaker 1: built off the court, the fun we had off the court,
Speaker 1: because like we joke about it, but like we were
Speaker 1: really a team that all smoke weed and all drank
Speaker 1: and all went out every single night. But still went
Speaker 1: out the next day and performed as professionals and handled
Speaker 1: our business. So we were able to for a while
Speaker 1: kind of burn it on both ends. You know, no
Speaker 1: pun intended, but we would have a lot of fun
Speaker 1: off the court, but then we also had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun on the court, and rarely do you find
Speaker 1: those teams like that. You know, obviously as run TMC,
Speaker 1: we wish we could have stuck together longer we had.
Speaker 1: We didn't even have a season, we believe was twenty
Speaker 1: eight games and then the playoffs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it was really like that. But I think the
Speaker 1: impact we've been able to have on the Bay Area
Speaker 1: because we were so relatable, we were touchable, we were
Speaker 1: in the streets and people just had a lot of
Speaker 1: fun watching us. I've never mully said it. Steve Kurz
Speaker 1: said it. The energy and oracle during that time has
Speaker 1: probably never be duplicated. You know, I was back there
Speaker 1: to win a championship and it wasn't even close to
Speaker 1: how loud you guys had it rocking when we were
Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven.
Speaker 7: So I gotta play it on a lot of teams,
Speaker 7: But like he said, the relationships, Bro, we was in
Speaker 7: each other's wins. Like the relationships we have lasted our
Speaker 7: whole careers when we played on other teams. I'm still
Speaker 7: closest with the people that I play with here in Oakland,
Speaker 7: through all the teammates I had.
Speaker 3: So that says a lot.
Speaker 7: And that means a lot, bro, because you know, you
Speaker 7: some players, you you know some guys you play with
Speaker 7: or not even here right now. You know some guys
Speaker 7: that you play with or are not in the best
Speaker 7: situation financially.
Speaker 3: Are you what their life is? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So to see all my brothers.
Speaker 7: Who I told I love and everybody's doing well, families
Speaker 7: is doing well, We're all doing great things.
Speaker 3: I think that means a lot. You know, that means
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 7: And it's a testament to the guys and the men
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying that we that we would
Speaker 7: we were at the time, but the men that my
Speaker 7: teammates have grown to be.
Speaker 1: Jay rich just said he could do it today. So hey,
Speaker 1: we might be building this out as we speak.
Speaker 3: Forgive me.
Speaker 1: We got we got historic day to day, we got
Speaker 1: Monte's in town.
Speaker 3: Days is the wild card? Yeah, Baron is doing always.
Speaker 7: Guess y'all know, just like we played Beatia is Yeah, Beatias.
Speaker 7: You know, he makes this whole thing go, just like
Speaker 7: we did when we played bro. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: It's just he's in. He just not the brains no more.
Speaker 7: That's the brains now, you know what I'm saying. Beatie
Speaker 7: was running shit and we was playing. You know, he
Speaker 7: was the leader, but you know, Matt took over anybody else.
Speaker 7: Anything you have like a favorite area that.
Speaker 1: Jack's house twelve hundred Lake Shore, Yeah, Lake Shore, Lake
Speaker 1: Shore Drive.
Speaker 3: Lake Merritt. What what?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: What's what's that lake called? Lake Bear? Yeah? Lake beary?
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's the spot.
Speaker 1: Jack have you win the windows to see the views
Speaker 1: and our coaches on top. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys heard the story, but the first round we won,
Speaker 1: we went back to Jack's house to you know, partake
Speaker 1: in a little of cannabis and in some alcohol, and
Speaker 1: then we went to go see Nelly had an after
Speaker 1: party or after the game party with all you know,
Speaker 1: some sponsors and older fans, and so we went and
Speaker 1: stopped by. It was me and him and Baron and
Speaker 1: a couple of people. As soon as we walk on
Speaker 1: the door. Nelly yos Hey, Fellas wood He's in the
Speaker 1: back rolling doobies, and we're looking at you like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Like, keep in mind, this is we just.
Speaker 3: Finished the game, were going on to the second round.
Speaker 1: He said, Woody Harrelson's in the back on his balcony
Speaker 1: rolling joints. Go back there and smoke with him. We're like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? All right, don't have to tell us twice.
Speaker 1: So we we went in there. We're smoking weed in
Speaker 1: our coach's house or on the balcony, but in our
Speaker 1: coach's house.
Speaker 3: And then later that night, later that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kate Hudson, it was lowkeybody. And so after after
Speaker 1: that we went to the club in San Francisco out
Speaker 1: that way and then Snoop it hit me, So me,
Speaker 1: Jack and Baron went to Snoop's hotel at the Ritz
Speaker 1: right up the street and my sister. We smoked so
Speaker 1: much weed that night that security came and banged on
Speaker 1: that bitch and me and Jackie like the Rik the
Speaker 1: Ritz Carlton in San Francisco word season.
Speaker 3: So we're like, oh, ship, like we.
Speaker 1: Just got you know what I mean, Like we just
Speaker 1: won these motherfuckers just come in and unscrew the windows
Speaker 1: and open the windows so the smoke and come out.
Speaker 1: And if you guys anything, let us know and like,
Speaker 1: really it's too good.
Speaker 3: Life is too good. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, Snoop
Speaker 3: we had to pass with Snoop.
Speaker 1: Anybody else. I will keep you guys posting. You guys
Speaker 1: can hang around a little bit. We'll probably know in
Speaker 1: the next thirty minutes if we're gonna do what we
Speaker 1: believe show. If we do, it's gonna be around two o'clock.
Speaker 1: Some bike from my team correct me, oh burns at
Speaker 1: two thirty. Well, I think that we believe. Well, take priority.
Speaker 1: We'll make it work. So we'll keep you guys posting.
Speaker 1: You guys can hang out.
Speaker 3: There's food.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go upstairs and part take. But but we
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys showing up. I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of shit going on, So thank you guys for spending
Speaker 1: some time with us, and make sure.
Speaker 3: You try to do our mess. Coal.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little early, but it's it's it's happy
Speaker 1: hour somewhere, so go ahead and grab yourself a drink.
Speaker 1: We got some food, and again, thank you guys for
Speaker 1: coming out.
Speaker 3: Thank you, assass