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Speaker 1: All right, well, welcome man All Star twenty five. What

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Speaker 1: is it Saturday? So it was day three second, the

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Speaker 1: last day. I know the NBA got you guys running

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Speaker 1: so he ain't really tripper.

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Speaker 2: I won't play that too loud. I'm doing everything by charity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, as Jack mentioned, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: group right here was instrumental as we were growing up

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Speaker 1: of all three since I can remember. You know, I

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Speaker 3: And then Mitch got traded out there. So anyway, but.

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Speaker 1: Let's get it going man, run TMC a legendary team

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Speaker 1: in the Bay. Now obviously you've been removed from the game,

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Speaker 1: but just kind of give yourself flyers. Like damn, I

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Speaker 1: was a bad motherfucker, y'all ever think about that.

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Speaker 3: Tim du.

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Speaker 4: Intended wait till he was done, no talk smack every day.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we was some bad motherfuckers, all three of us. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we we love going out there busting people ass. They

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Speaker 6: just followed me when when I started, they was like, okay,

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Speaker 4: It was right behind me, and.

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Speaker 3: It was the mouthpiece.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the mouthpiece.

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Speaker 3: Ain't nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 4: No, you got to.

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Speaker 6: Have that sometimes because some on other teams, some people

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Speaker 3: Score to talk ship.

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Speaker 4: Right in that school, I'm like, yeah, I was doing

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Speaker 6: What he's busting your He's busting your ass, busting your

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Speaker 3: There you go, man, We're gonna talk through errors of

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Speaker 3: Warriors today.

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Speaker 1: Obviously run TMC. We believe in the current They warriors.

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Speaker 7: Go back to the start from beginning. You were first,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so eighty five I came out here. First draft

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Speaker 8: the Clippers had supposed to get the first pick. The

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Speaker 8: We were in rebuilding situations. Eighty year play at least

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Speaker 8: then they had tremendous history here with the Warriors. They

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Speaker 8: We made the playoffs in my second season, solid team.

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Speaker 8: I mean a little side note, let's let's be honest.

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Speaker 8: I was struggling, playing doing okay for number seven pick struggling.

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Speaker 8: at that point in time, I been rehab. I went

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Speaker 8: When I came back to the team, Nelly had traded

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Speaker 3: So he changed the whole dynamic. All of a sudden.

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Speaker 8: Let's let everyone catch up to you. That's how good

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Speaker 8: And like your team, we had tremendous role players, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, doing it.

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Speaker 7: During this time, the state of the league was crazy,

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Speaker 3: League was yeah, yeah, yeah, no question that the airport

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Speaker 8: So eighty I came in eighty five David Stern. Just

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Speaker 8: But Jack, to your point, yes, yeah, so yeah, the Hyatt.

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Speaker 8: I found myself going from loving the game to missing practice,

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Speaker 8: Like like, what the fuck is going on here with alcohol?

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Speaker 3: That was my drug choice. But to get help, you

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Speaker 1: what everyone because Nelly pulled a fast one to end

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Speaker 3: You were supposed to go higher than you went. Well,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he took all my money away. I was supposed

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Speaker 6: You know, Minnesota, Indiana, Bill Musselman.

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Speaker 4: His son really hates him Nelly to this day. Right now.

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Speaker 6: He's like he killed his dad's career because he picked

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Speaker 4: I was supposed to go to them places.

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Speaker 6: And Nelly was calling everybody saying, hey, he got bad knees,

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Speaker 6: But it was blessing in this, you know, coming to

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Speaker 6: everything just clicked. First team Money said after that press, come,

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Speaker 6: I haven't played ball in four or five days. I

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Speaker 4: Oh man.

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Speaker 6: And we just clicked right away, just clicked right away.

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Speaker 6: You know, Nelly knew what he was doing. He knew

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Speaker 4: And it was great.

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Speaker 3: There before Tim, right, uh you shooting it. So you know,

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, he practiced before practice, he was doing practice.

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Speaker 3: He was playing to him the same way. He was

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Speaker 3: That was like a new Habit was that a flip? What? What? What?

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Speaker 3: No, No, I was like that, and I got the rail.

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Speaker 8: So it's kind of like it's it's a great life

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Speaker 8: lesson really if you don't pay attention to details. You know,

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Speaker 8: we're all susceptible to different things in life, right, we

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Speaker 8: So it got the best to me, but with help

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Speaker 1: Mine what was your guys' first impression of Nelly? Because

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Speaker 8: We're going to get to your guys verse, right, So

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Speaker 3: He was the GM.

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Speaker 8: He was kind of like overseeing everything and you could

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Speaker 3: Right, And that's when George was coaching. And then when

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Speaker 8: I'm talking about like attention to detail, notebook taking notes, pop.

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Speaker 8: Yes, like he had all his play And this is

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Speaker 3: Night, that's right today.

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Speaker 8: Until the last day two days and I'm talking about tape.

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Speaker 8: promoted passing, so that we talked yesterday about Nellie teaching

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Speaker 8: whether it be like ten mentioned three dribble limit five passes.

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Speaker 8: A lot of times our offense was, you know, don't

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Speaker 3: You know, he was.

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Speaker 1: So you wouldn't have been his favorite at the beginning

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Speaker 7: When he gave us that that book, I shit stayed

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't work for me. Met you exactly right,

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Speaker 1: Your thought, Nelly, you're fresh out of college.

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Speaker 3: What's your thought? Your first impression in.

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Speaker 2: Nelly, I never thought I was gonna come to Golden

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Speaker 3: Nelly coached me.

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Speaker 2: And ended up like when I went to that camp,

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, he never would say anything to me.

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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know anything.

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Speaker 2: But when I first got here, Man, I can remember

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Speaker 2: I just came from Soul, Korea. I just wanted to

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like, man, you were telling you need a lot

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Speaker 2: I'm like, dagn It's like, man, this is gonna be tough,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even have training camp, so I had to go.

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Speaker 2: and I didn't meet the team until Hawaii when we

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Speaker 3: Don't try nothing, in any game. So he was really

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Speaker 1: Keep it the same? When you first got here? What

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 4: He just let me do? What I just do?

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Speaker 6: He just like, just go ahead and just play. And

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Speaker 3: Yeah you remember that?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't remember that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Gonna go out there and play.

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Speaker 6: But y'all remember that that that summer league camp to

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Speaker 4: Was that at New Hampshire?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yes, he drugged me like two a day's. He was like, son,

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Speaker 6: First of all, you're too short. You know, you're not needed.

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Speaker 6: It was like, you gotta get quick. I want you

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Speaker 3: Why the hell you draft me?

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Speaker 4: Why tell everybody?

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Speaker 6: And I guess, I guess that's to like build your

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Speaker 4: You know, you gotta work harder. I want you to.

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00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 6: I want you to think. I want you to go

441
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 6: out there and understand what I'm saying. And he did

442
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 6: that to me and Sharonis for two a days, for

443
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 6: like ten days. He did that to me in Sharonis

444
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 6: for ten days out on New Hampshire, Sharon Is, uh

445
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 6: you Shrooners were so frustrated. He sometimes he was crying.

446
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 6: And that's how frustrated.

447
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: First introduction to cut you up to the United States

448
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 3: was right.

449
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 4: He didn't understand English. He didn't understand the language that

450
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 4: well too.

451
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 6: And then he's listening to Donnie Nelson and Donny Nelson

452
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 6: is trying to tell him and he was just getting

453
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 6: frustrated and.

454
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 4: He's like, what am I doing wrong?

455
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 6: And man, we just sat in the room one day

456
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 6: and we just talked and we just said, you know what, Ronnie,

457
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 6: we're gonna come in. Man, we're just gonna play, and

458
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 6: we're just gonna say fuck it. And I guess that's

459
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 6: what he wanted us to do. And we the next

460
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 6: day it was like the last two days. And you

461
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 6: could tell the satisfaction on Nelly's face. He didn't say nothing,

462
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 6: but you could tell the satisfaction on his face. All Right,

463
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 6: I see you in October, late September, and then but see,

464
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 6: I tell guys today, y'all don't know about we never

465
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 6: had We had one or two prec preseason games, training camps,

466
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 6: everything for thirty days or twenty two, twenty five days, right,

467
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 6: two days was like twenty days. Your body's beat the

468
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 6: fuck up.

469
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 4: I mean, you beat up.

470
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 6: I mean it takes you through a mental psychic, especially

471
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 6: if you're a rookie. You know, man, I'm tired. My

472
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 6: body's tired. I'm ready to go home. I don't want

473
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 6: to do nothing but sleep. You don't even want to eat.

474
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how the halftime for that next thing.

475
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 6: You know, it's get taped you and that thing, and

476
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 6: you sitting down like Mann.

477
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 4: The next thing, you know, you start sweating and all right,

478
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 4: let's go.

479
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 6: And then he started yelling at everybody get yelled at

480
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 6: and then you know you but yeah, man, I that's

481
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 6: where I think the confidence came. I think that's where

482
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 6: the camaraderie came from all of us and we all

483
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 6: understood what we need to do to make this team

484
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 6: work and to win games.

485
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 4: And we was all on one page.

486
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody, Rod Higgins, Terry t Go, Tom Tober, everybody, everybody.

487
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: Where did the explosion run TMC hit? First of all,

488
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: where'd the name come from? And I remember hearing that

489
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: as a little kid. I mean, I know it had

490
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: to be bigger than what it was when I heard it,

491
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: but it was amazing to me. But where did the

492
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: name come from? And obviously it was a style of play,

493
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: But how did you guys embrace that name?

494
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: Well, they had like a fan involvement.

495
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 8: You know, we started scoring big points and you know,

496
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 8: started garnering some excitement, selling the arena out. I think

497
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 8: it was actually the San Francisco Chronicle had you know,

498
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 8: fans right in their suggestions. And then Steve Albert, who

499
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 8: was our TV and now to the time we did

500
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 8: something that practice. We pulled a few names out of

501
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 8: a hat.

502
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 6: And no, we didn't put free names out of the hat,

503
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 6: put a lot it went to We stopped the camera,

504
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 6: we started looking at stuff.

505
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 4: We like stuff. It was this big jumbo thing. Man,

506
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 4: it had to be a thousand names up.

507
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: And there it was some crazy ones, some some goofy wall.

508
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.

509
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 8: It was run CMC hit and obviously Jack. You know,

510
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 8: ironically Daryl McDaniel, part from DMC was my class made

511
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 8: at Saint John' so we had gone back back way

512
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 8: back to college days. So I was like, yo, that's

513
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 8: gotta be it, and they were on board. So and

514
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 8: then it's funny how, you know, I mean, I didn't

515
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 8: really even know this till way after I finished playing.

516
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 8: We only played two seasons, so I didn't know that because.

517
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 3: Of the impact that these guys really had. But uh,

518
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 3: and then I guess having a nickname does help it

519
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, it has stuck all these years.

520
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 8: It's funny how that one little practice session was kind

521
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 8: of we probably re lucky. We did it reluctantly because like,

522
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 8: come on, we want to go home. But looking back

523
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 8: thirty five years later, that little little kind.

524
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: Of gimmick has stuck forever you know what's funny. I mean,

525
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: you guys got two years. We had one year that

526
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We believe it was one

527
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: year one year office.

528
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean next year because we tried.

529
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: We traded j Rich next year. You know.

530
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: But like I said that, like the d like you said,

531
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: the impact of a name can last a lifetime. When

532
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: I came back here in seventeen and played with those

533
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: guys that won the championship, they wanted to know, the

534
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: media wanted to know, and the fan what was that

535
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: we would leave team?

536
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 8: So when let me ask you guys, I want to

537
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 8: ask you guys this because Jack, you had a pretty

538
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 8: good career before you came here. Matt you had bounced around,

539
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 8: but you had you had some solid years. What made

540
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 8: it different that we believe team? And we talked about

541
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 8: Nelly our experience. What made that group different from your

542
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 8: other experiences?

543
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: Right, because because.

544
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 8: Again the short short time lived, but the impact and

545
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 8: the short amount of time to talk about your guys

546
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 8: experience for that, we believed team.

547
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 7: I think for me, it's kind of real, similar to

548
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 7: what I said, Like I said, I had my own

549
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 7: issues before I came here, But It was Nelly for

550
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 7: me because when I first came here, you know, he

551
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 7: my first conversation with us, He got me and b

552
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 7: D drunk and told us we're the captains.

553
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: I've never been to captain of no team. You know.

554
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 7: He would just let me know immediately when I got here,

555
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 7: I don't care about what you've been through. I know,

556
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 7: you get your first seven games here, you suspend, don't

557
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 7: worry about none of that.

558
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: You're on my guy.

559
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 7: And he gave me the confidence coming in I've never

560
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 7: had from anybody since Pop really, you know. So it

561
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 7: was refreshed for me. Then I'm here with all the

562
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 7: guys that I knew bad al you know what I'm saying.

563
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 7: I knew all these guys, so it just felt right

564
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 7: and I needed a change, you know, I need a chance.

565
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 7: So it was a blessing this guy for y'all bringing me.

566
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 7: That's why if I ever appreciate, appreciate you for that.

567
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: And I think too.

568
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: By the time Nelly had us, he had gone to

569
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: the kind of the positive reinforcement. Instead of giving you,

570
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: he gave you guys the negative to try to figure

571
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: it out. He was just really warm from the beginning.

572
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: I mean my whole shit. I came and played the

573
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: open gym. I didn't have a job, and Nelly happened

574
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: to be watching, and I played well in open gym

575
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: with Baron and he came in and put his arm

576
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: around me, like, son, where you going to camp?

577
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

578
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: He's like, we got a full roster and invice, but

579
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: if you play like you played today, I'm gonna give

580
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: you a chance. And I beat everybody out and they

581
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: cut a couple of dudes. And then I went from

582
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: being on the bench and he's like, hey, I'm gonna

583
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: give you a shot.

584
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: He's like, if you're open, shoot the ball.

585
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: And that's what I went from making ten three pointers

586
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: in my first four seasons to over one hundred that

587
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: initial season because it was the confidence that Nelly did.

588
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: But it started with him. And then, like he said,

589
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: our bond with our teammates. We were everywhere. I'm sure

590
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: you guys heard about it. We were everywhere everywhere doing

591
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: every we heard about it.

592
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: We were in the front. Wasn't all hell, No, we

593
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: wouldn't doing none of that. You definitely brought that they were.

594
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: I was just I was just sitting in my house

595
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: smoking until Jack made us all smoke.

596
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 5: But no.

597
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 4: But see that's how Nelly is. You know, Nelly was smart.

598
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 6: He knew how to put a team together, and he

599
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 6: knew how to make the pieces work, and he knew

600
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 6: which piece that he needed for that team to make

601
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 6: it work.

602
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: We had Tom Tobert. Tom Toba was the joke.

603
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 6: Nelly be mad coming there, furious talking, smack this and that,

604
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 6: and Tom will say something funny right after you. As

605
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 6: soon as he walked out, he'd be like, he'd say

606
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 6: something funny and we're like, okay, were good, We're good.

607
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: But that's the way Tom was. But we needed that.

608
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: You know.

609
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 6: Tom will come in from from Las Vegas at four

610
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 6: in the morning, come straight to the arena for shooting

611
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 6: around and he'd be like, yeah, man, I lost all

612
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 6: my money and I'm still drunk, and so let's get

613
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 6: this ship over and let's hurry up.

614
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna shoot some jump shots. Nelly got

615
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: something else. All right, we're gonna run oh ship. He

616
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: must have known I was out of town. Yeah, motherfucker

617
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 4: you talking. I mean, but that's the way it is.

618
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 6: You gotta have somebody on that team, on your team

619
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 6: that could just take that edge weight at times, and

620
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 6: Nellie knew who that guy was.

621
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: And I think you know, you say we played two seasons.

622
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: I think we felt it was longer than that because

623
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: of the training camps, you know what I mean. We

624
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: were together every day. I'm just saying, Man, we practiced it.

625
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: We together, we backing, so we may thought better. That's

626
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: fives we.

627
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 6: Played, didn't He put some cots out there, some beds

628
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 6: out there one time.

629
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he put everything out there.

630
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 6: Jail and we didn't lead a gym like a couple

631
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 6: of days, just did not lead a gym us like that.

632
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: I was lucky. Yeah, I was lucky. I mean he was.

633
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 6: I mean just some of the stuff that he did,

634
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 6: like you said, the doll coming in, just shipping over the.

635
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 7: Court, man, practice Lucky just walking up we playing five

636
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 7: and five, he just shipped on the court.

637
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: That come on, lucky.

638
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 7: Coach is the only coach that I played for that

639
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 7: by the time he started practice at ten thirty, he

640
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 7: went through a six pack, oh, no question, and coaching

641
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 7: like he's sober, no question.

642
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: I missed. Coach.

643
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 7: He was the only coach that actually let us be us,

644
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 7: and I think that's why we had success. Shout our coach.

645
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 7: Let's get back to y'all. Ninety one playoff y'all upset

646
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 7: the Spurs in the first round. David Robinson ro Strickland.

647
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 7: How crazy did that go?

648
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: Oh man and oil arena around that time? How was

649
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: it loud like? Because we experienced it too, not quite

650
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: as loud as we believe.

651
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 8: But but on this way there and that particular series

652
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 8: you mentioned, David and Terry Cummins rosh they had a

653
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 8: really talented team. Larry Brown was the coach. We lost

654
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 8: game one in the first round. Back then was a

655
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 8: five game series. It was a short series. You really

656
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 8: have a whole lot of wiggle room. We got blown

657
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 8: out that first game, and typical Nelly, he walked in

658
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 8: the locker room, He's.

659
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: Like, oh, we got him, we got hit that. Come

660
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: back tomorrow. We got a little walk.

661
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 8: Through and uh yeah, yeah yeah two one. So game two,

662
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 8: Nelly's adjustment was we had started I think Tom of

663
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 8: a Jim Peterson and you know, matched up with David.

664
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 8: In game two, we started us three, Rod Higgins and

665
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 8: Mary Ellie.

666
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: We went ultra small. Who guarded who guarded? Uh?

667
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 8: David Rod front, front, the post and the top exactly,

668
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 8: you know, you know what, but uh yeah, and we

669
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 8: won three in a row. So so again all went

670
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 8: down two no, gentleman, sweet so yeah, just again.

671
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: You know you're looking now. The way the games played.

672
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 8: Now, The way you guys played very similar to what

673
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 8: teams are trying to do now. Not as many threes,

674
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 8: spreading the floor, attacking the attacking the paint, kicking out

675
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 8: for open shots. Uh, not really worrying about guarding the

676
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 8: big got him as a team maybe like we did Novitzky,

677
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 8: or we'd always front the post. And Nelly always felt like,

678
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 8: you can't lose a game by people throwing over the top.

679
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 8: They're gonna score some, but you got not gonna lose

680
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 8: the game that way.

681
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: What was that matchup like with you and rock.

682
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: Ooh yeah, he fucked me up.

683
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 6: The first guy the first game, he fucked me up. Yeah,

684
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 6: he gave it to me. He yeah, he gave it

685
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 6: to me. But the next day in practice Nelly said,

686
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 6: and you know, we had Greg Popovich as our assistant coach.

687
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: To yea, yeah, he was our assistant coach.

688
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 6: But Nellie went up and started walking around doing his

689
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 6: walking around the concourse, and we was down there playing

690
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 6: three on three whole court.

691
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: We was playing like for about an hour hour. No, no,

692
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: it was.

693
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: Yep.

694
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 6: So we we we're playing three on three whole court

695
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 6: for about an hour, hour and a half.

696
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: Now they come back downstairs, like y'all still here.

697
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 6: Was like, yeah, man, you know, and Newly said, we're gonna,

698
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 6: we're gonna, We're gonna play horse. I get the first shots,

699
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 6: but we're gonna play with one ball. They put the

700
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 6: ball up. He said, I got the first shot. He said, Man,

701
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 6: get the fuck up out of here. So we left

702
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 6: and we came back. It was but it was a

703
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 6: different type of air. We came back to the arena

704
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 6: the next day that shooting around. You could just feel

705
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 6: the confidence of us just oozing through the whole arena.

706
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 6: I mean you could tell the focus was there, the

707
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 6: tension and detail was there. You know, guys was making

708
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 6: I mean guys probably in their misshots that whole you know,

709
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 6: that whole shooting round and it was just focused. We

710
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 6: came back that night. Yeah, fucked him up. Oh yeah,

711
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 6: I got him back. But we but but it was

712
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 6: you know what, it was collective, uh teamwork with with

713
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 6: all of us Mario Ally, Rod Strickland. I mean Rod

714
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 6: Higgins making threes, timely threes. David Robinson was looking at

715
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 6: Larry Brown like.

716
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to go that. I was supposed to do

717
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: it right.

718
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 6: He got frustrated because he wasn't getting the ball like

719
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 6: he normally do.

720
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: He couldn't score.

721
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 6: Then he had he was like three, you know that

722
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: the rules was you can't come down and double team

723
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 6: nobody without the ball. So he didn't know what doing.

724
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 6: We throw it back to Rod, and we throw it

725
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 6: back to Tom tober shoot the three. He was he

726
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 6: was all messed up and so and once you get

727
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 6: him messed up, then they started talking to each other

728
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 6: and William Anderson started talking and stuff. They didn't know

729
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 6: what to do, and they started arguing among each other,

730
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 6: and we was like, oh, we got.

731
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: Him, Mitch, when did you know to that point when

732
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: you when did you know in that series that y'all

733
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: had him?

734
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: In Game two, Game one, we were kind of there,

735
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: but they kind of blew us how we were just

736
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: missing shots. And I felt like we can we could

737
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: have went, we could have won the game. And you

738
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: remember Nelly came in the locker room and said what

739
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: Molly said that we got him, but you two, muther freaking's.

740
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: Got to play some defense. So Willie with me and Tim.

741
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 6: Yeah was great.

742
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: I guess YouTube because WILLI had a great game and

743
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: and Rod had a great game, and so.

744
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I was getting my asked.

745
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 7: Ye.

746
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we switched it up.

747
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: And once we switched it up with Rod, and Rod

748
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: was kind of playing that that rover like Draymond Green

749
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: where you passed it to him he dribble us and

750
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: and David couldn't. David couldn't understand what was going on,

751
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: and we just kept running and once we got the rebound,

752
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, it.

753
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 3: Was on and David could run run around that time. Yeah,

754
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: chasing the three men.

755
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 4: Right getting backscreen guy.

756
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, walkee, yeah doing it. We all get traded at

757
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: some point. Yeah, walk is different though, you don't like

758
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: somebody with the walk.

759
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 7: Look, first man, y'all lose to the Lakers in round

760
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 7: two at ninety one. Then the off season Mitches traded

761
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 7: to Sack. I know that was the still make your excel.

762
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: You don't like somebody, you trade them the Sack And

763
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: how did it?

764
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 5: Like?

765
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: What was there? Did you guys know the reason behind that?

766
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 5: Was there?

767
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: Any strategy behind it? Was it because I've known for

768
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: I've known the best side of Nelly. And then Nelly

769
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: went bad on me.

770
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. He went bad on you too. He

771
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: went bad on me, he went bad on man. Hey, Nellie,

772
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: real quick story.

773
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: I turned this is my first time really playing and

774
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to get money, and I turned down

775
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: a three year extension. You go, and I took just

776
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: four million for one year because I felt like, all right,

777
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: I may give me one more season. I'm gona get

778
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: my thirty or forty million. My mom died at the

779
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: beginning of that next season. Once I kind of got

780
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: out the clouds, Nellie's like, pull me to the side

781
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: of the back. I'm glad you just signed an extension.

782
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: Your time here is up. I'm like, damn moly. Like so,

783
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: I saw the best of Nelly. I saw the worst

784
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: a year.

785
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: You remember what he said the Patrick O'Brien when he

786
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 3: was there.

787
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 7: Oh man, she told Patrick O'Brien said, Patrick, you know what,

788
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 7: all my years of coaching, you are the only player

789
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 7: that's gotten worse since I've been coaching.

790
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: Oh he was, Oh, but I think same thing. What

791
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: you're talking about like I can remember at the time,

792
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: we were flying commercial and I was sitting at the

793
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: airport and Nellie came up to me and said, hey, man.

794
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: Why you know why you're not signing the extension.

795
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: And I said, uh, well, I mean I just think

796
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: that I'm worth a little bit more than that. He said,

797
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: you must don't want to be here. Said oh no, no, no,

798
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: I said, no, I want to. I want to be here.

799
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: But I mean, like you, you're low balling me my

800
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: last year. I got another year on my contract, you

801
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean, So I don't I want to

802
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: be here. It's like I say, so, I say, I

803
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: just you know, you just paid money and I say,

804
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: you know, he said money was? I say, who is

805
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: the best player? He said, Chris Mullen is the best player.

806
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: At some point in time, you're gonna, you know, get

807
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: up there. And I said, okay, so you just paid

808
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: money three something whatever it was, just put me right

809
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: below him. Then if you don't, if you don't believe

810
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: in that, just give me one more year and I

811
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: show you that I'm worth it. But I want to

812
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: be here.

813
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: I love this team.

814
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: After that, boy, I was on the trade block every

815
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: time I looked at the paper. I'm like, God, damn,

816
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: what happened?

817
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: Man? What happened?

818
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: Then in the preseason, the preseason, it's the preseason. He

819
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: playing me crazy and Sacramento. I'm like, something happening, Like,

820
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: you know, it's the preseason. I'm playing thirty minutes like, Man,

821
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: something happening.

822
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: Man, the dude turning the trade display. Yeah, but I

823
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: thought he was gonna try.

824
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna I thought he's gonna trade

825
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: me to Boston and somewhere like that.

826
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: But he traded me to Sacramento.

827
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: And I can remember seeing Molley in Denver getting ready

828
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: to go down to the bus. Mulley sees me in

829
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: the elevator and going down to the elevator and he said,

830
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: where you're going. I was going up, he was going down.

831
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to Nellie's. Uh, going to Nellie's room.

832
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: I know something going on. So when I opened the door,

833
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: he had the latch on the door. He's sitting on

834
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: the back of the window with the you know when

835
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: they have the air conditions in the back. I opened

836
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: the door and I say, Man, don't tell me you

837
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: traded me the Sacramento bro. He said, I traded you

838
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: the Sacramento I just turned right back around and left

839
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: and probably didn't speak to him until the time he

840
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: came back to We believe, really didn't.

841
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: Speak to him.

842
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 7: What was y'all thinking at the time, till Molly, What

843
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 7: was y'all thinking at the time.

844
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 8: We were shocked and upset. I didn't know about those conversations.

845
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 8: As far as contracting, We didn't. We didn't involve each

846
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 8: other in that stuff. It was like, you know, but yeah,

847
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 8: we were shocked. The good thing is we've remained really

848
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 8: close despite that, maybe closer so you know, mitchan on

849
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 8: and had an incredible career from then on. Tim had

850
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 8: two incredible careers, one with Us, one with Miami.

851
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

852
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 8: So but you know, when when something like that happens,

853
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 8: this is pre somewhat, I guess, player empowerment. So we

854
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 8: were really weren't in on that stuff. They didn't consult us.

855
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 8: That was it was totally different. We played and that

856
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 8: was our job, and you know, so yeah, and then

857
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 8: you know, the the ironic thing was when that happened

858
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 8: Opening night, we came back on a back to back

859
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 8: and played Sacramento.

860
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: Mitch didn't play. I couldn't play. I couldn't play. My

861
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: mind was gone. Man, I was scarred. Gard go ahead,

862
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: I mean, but he told us.

863
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: You told us you didn't even move to Sack, right,

864
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: You was just computing back and forth.

865
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: Just bought my house in Alameda.

866
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: And anytime, you know, the Warriors had at a like

867
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 2: a team get together, I was with them.

868
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: I was, I was. I was at Chris House. I

869
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: was at Chris all the whole time. Like, man, this

870
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: is my tea. Man, I don't know what y'all. I'm

871
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: just playing Summer League down there.

872
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 7: Ship.

873
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: I was at every Christmas party. I was at Chris

874
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: House the first one there. Like we are the same team. Like, man,

875
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: I ain't going down there.

876
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: Man.

877
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: So my first three four years I lived in Alameda.

878
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: I just commuted every day.

879
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: But remember that game.

880
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he walked into our locker room. It's like Mitch.

881
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: I walked in their locker room.

882
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: You know, he was playing Sack. He thought, walked into

883
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: the locker room.

884
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: I was done.

885
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 6: Everybody's like Mitch. Mitch was like, he walked right back out.

886
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 6: He walked out of the building, got back in his

887
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 6: car and went home.

888
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: At first, I went to the locker room and Dick

889
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: made at the time was and Dick Marner.

890
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: I was just sitting in the locker room. Man, I

891
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: don't know.

892
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: I was a young player, you know, I was a

893
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: young player. So I'm just sitting in the locker room like, man,

894
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: my life is over. Like man, that's that was my

895
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: team because we did everything everything together.

896
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 5: Man.

897
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 3: So I was really hurt.

898
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: And Dick Marter came and said, hey, you're gonna get dressed.

899
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: I say, man, I can't play, man, I mean, that's

900
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: my team.

901
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: I can't play bro. I'm not ready to play missus

902
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: watering man. Man, I said, I can't. I can't play bro.

903
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: I can't play.

904
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 6: Actually, it took him a week to get to Sack. Yeah,

905
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 6: he took like a week off.

906
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: He had to get there. I mean, that's how that's

907
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: how special our team was. That's how special we was

908
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 4: to each other.

909
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 6: And you know, we it still was a business and

910
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 6: we still had to go out there and play, but

911
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 6: we knew that something was missing.

912
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: Even though Billy was there. Yeah, we still was like and.

913
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: You had to go and do your job at the

914
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: end of the day.

915
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: Still I still had to go and I had to

916
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: figure that out at the too. But but once I

917
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: got so that game, y'all said, we lost by sixty one.

918
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, lost by sixty one points. And so they

919
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: supposed to have the practice, you know, a few days.

920
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 3: They had two or three days off after that loss.

921
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: Let it sit two or three days off.

922
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: Now I'm coming from Nelly, who we get a win,

923
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: we practicing. Now that they lost by sixty one, they

924
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: got two days off, I'm like, oh my god. Open yeah,

925
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god. So yeah, So it was

926
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: it was tough to see every day. And then you know,

927
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: still being in Sacramento, Golden State. You know, they they

928
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: fled the headlines. You know what I mean, you guys

929
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: was on the headlines every time, and I'm looking at

930
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: the paper every day.

931
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: Brother, it was tough.

932
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: I didn't if y'all see the pictures of my year.

933
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: I said, I was not gonna comb my hair. I said, Man,

934
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: I ain't worried about nothing. I'm just gonna play ball,

935
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: ain't gonna say nothing. I'm just gonna just go hoop.

936
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 2: I ain't worried about nothing else.

937
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: That's it. That's the only thing got me through. We

938
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: got a gift for you guys, real quick. We got

939
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: to get you guys out of here. Let's do it.

940
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: Here's what we got from our from our amazing So.

941
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna get your guys the size and send them

942
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: to you. We got all these for all you, these

943
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: new covies. Appreciate you what what size of these? Fifteen

944
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: Before we.

945
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 8: Roll, Uh, Jack, we spoke, Yes, said, I want to

946
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 8: thank you and Matt first, congratulate you on your post

947
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 8: career success.

948
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: You said, said real a.

949
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 8: Really high standard for the young generation to follow your lead. Yes,

950
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 8: You've been great, great mentors on this platform, and I

951
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 8: want to thank you personally for the joy that you

952
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 8: brought to us.

953
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: Yes, and to the Bay Area with that, with that

954
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: much similar to us. With that, we believe team. You

955
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: guys re energize the organization. Uh. Loudest building I ever

956
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: heard was when you guys were.

957
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: You, I mean you guys like I said, Well, you

958
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: guys saved our careers. You know, like I said, we

959
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: did it together. I was bouncing around, he was coming

960
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: out of trouble and and like you said, said, Nelly's

961
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: foresight to understand the pieces that he needed.

962
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: Were important.

963
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 8: It's funny if you look up here, you may think

964
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 8: opposites are track, but similarities attracted.

965
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: We have a lot of similarities.

966
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 7: I mean over time, Like even over time when I

967
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 7: first got to go to State, I got to learn

968
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 7: more about all both of y'all. You know what I'm saying,

969
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 7: even man, you be built a better relationship because I

970
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 7: really didn't know y'all at all, but I knew of you,

971
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 7: but even to this day, to right now, to know

972
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 7: more your money and to know what you went through, like,

973
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 7: I admire you even more because you don't know these stories.

974
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

975
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 7: I've seen you played basketball, I didn't know what you

976
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 7: went through off the court, so I had already respected

977
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 7: you as a man and as a player, but I

978
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 7: respect you.

979
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: Even more now. That's why I like what you guys

980
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: are doing.

981
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 8: We're bringing stories to like because you know, you can

982
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 8: look up the stats, you can look up the wins

983
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 8: and losses or championship rings, but the personal relationships that

984
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 8: we form, but then we call so pass that on

985
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 8: to the next generation, right and help that next generation,

986
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 8: you know, navigate their journey. I feel like you guys

987
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 8: are doing great job. Thank you that thank you.

988
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: I came up in Texas. Yeah, in Texas, so I

989
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: know I know a lot about you.

990
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you came up in Texas, in.

991
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 7: Texas, so I know a lot about you. What I'm saying,

992
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 7: growing up, you know everything you are. You are a

993
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 7: big part of our basketball life and the soundtrack of

994
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 7: our life too.

995
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: So we appreciate you and definitely too. I think the

996
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: one reason why we wanted to start this was to

997
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: be able to celebrate guys like you because I feel like,

998
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: obviously you guys missed the social media era and everything

999
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: is overhyped and over dramatized now, But we grew up.

1000
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: I was born in eighty when we were born seventy eight, yep,

1001
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: So we understood what it used to be like in

1002
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: the grind. Like we talk about load management now, y'all

1003
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: had twenty eight straight days of do it. You know,

1004
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: there wasn't no such thing.

1005
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 4: It was no such thing as you guys.

1006
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: It was a badge of honor to play eighty two.

1007
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: That's how we came up. It was a badge of

1008
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: honor to play eighty two. So just not forgetting that,

1009
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: you know, the people before you, but obviously when we

1010
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: were able to watch what you guys were able to do,

1011
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: for us and inspire us and then get a chance

1012
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: to work with you, then get a chance to know

1013
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: you so again. Man, we want to definitely celebrate you guys.

1014
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: Thank all three of you guys, because you've all been

1015
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: on the show individually, but now to come back as

1016
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: a unit. Man, we appreciate you. We got some We

1017
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: got some more gifts. Mother, you're just getting loaded up

1018
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: this trip. Money got a bad guess, smell like there's

1019
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: some weed in there too.

1020
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: There. You don't need that medicine.

1021
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: You can just I know some people. People got some questions.

1022
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 4: Who made that chicken over there? It's on fire? Yeah,

1023
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 4: I was on fire.

1024
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 3: Make sure y'all get a plate.

1025
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 4: Leave well made that I need your car for real.

1026
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, guys, man, Thank you guys, Thank you guys.

1027
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: T C y'all.

1028
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, they gotta go do some NBA ship. We're gonna

1029
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: do some fan questions, real quick questions, questions. Anybody with

1030
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: some questions. Don't be shy if you don't want to

1031
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: ask questions, I'm just gonna go upstairs and smoke. So

1032
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: yes already.

1033
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: Who was your response to this?

1034
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: Free I think the trade put Dallas in a position

1035
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: if they could stay healthy to win now, but you

1036
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: don't as a Laker.

1037
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 3: I've always been a Laker fan.

1038
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: You don't pass on the opportunity to get a generational star,

1039
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: which I think Luca is. I think the Lakers still

1040
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: need to build around that. I think they found who's

1041
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: next after Lebron obviously, but for those two guys to

1042
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: win together, they you know, they need to add a

1043
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: few big guys. But I think it's great. You know,

1044
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think it's fun. I think

1045
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: it's what makes the NBA crazy is you just never

1046
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, so free. I would say,

1047
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: Dallas one now in La one that the long game,

1048
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: don't be shy, Yeah, go ahead.

1049
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: With the success of the w n b A, do

1050
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: you think the NBA could ever have anything.

1051
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 7: Similar to unrival I do that when you could just

1052
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 7: partner with the Big three.

1053
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't even say partner with the big three.

1054
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: I think the issue is, and someone correct me if

1055
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, what the WNBA players are being paid. I

1056
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: think Unrivaled is able to give them something to do

1057
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: in the off seasons so the don't have to go

1058
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: overseas and possibly get hurt. But the way the NBANBA

1059
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: players are making so much money that I don't ever

1060
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: really see, especially with the Big Three already in existence.

1061
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't never really see the Big or the NBA

1062
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: kind of changing that format or having an NBA offseason

1063
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 1: because we play eighty two games, playoffs, a ton of money,

1064
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: and then our break is only really three months, So

1065
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: if you did Unrival, that's ten weeks out of three months.

1066
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I just don't see it happening. But I like Unrival though,

1067
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: I think it's dope. I love the one on one competition.

1068
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: I like the thought process behind it and the fact

1069
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: that you can get the best players in your league

1070
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: to all commit to that that's special.

1071
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 7: I think it's just smarter for the NBA just to

1072
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 7: get behind the Big Three, all the older players in

1073
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 7: the Hall of Famers that they tried around all year

1074
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 7: to Africa and all the other places to raise money

1075
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 7: for the NBA. These are the coaches of the Big Three.

1076
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 7: George Gervin, doctor j Gary Payton, all these guys are

1077
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 7: the head coaches.

1078
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: So why wouldn't you support these guys another time you.

1079
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 7: Support them, we should support them with the Big Three

1080
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 7: as well. So I think the NBA should get behind

1081
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 7: them since it's all their players and all their coaches

1082
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 7: as well.

1083
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 3: Makes more sense than anything, so guarantee. Question.

1084
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 8: So when your kids.

1085
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Work, kids in your life are on a team where

1086
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: they are issues with.

1087
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 7: A coach or they love the coach, what advice do

1088
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 7: you give kids or kids who.

1089
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 8: Played for you.

1090
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 7: How to connect with their coach or getting the best

1091
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 7: out of what the coach on the bring to that.

1092
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: It just depends because I'm in the space as far

1093
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: as coaching, I retired in seventeen, and I've been coaching

1094
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 1: my twins since they were eight and they're sixteen now.

1095
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: A lot of these coaches, to be honest with, you

1096
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: can't coach first and foremost. But I always try to

1097
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: teach my kids the mental side of the game. I

1098
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: feel like the skill development will come, but to be

1099
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: able to make it to the top, it takes a

1100
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: lot of luck, but it takes a strong mental focus

1101
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: in fortitude. So since they were eight, I've been teaching

1102
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: them NBA sets and how to play without the ball

1103
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And I wish more

1104
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: coaches would really pour into the mental and the teaching

1105
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: aspect because I feel like in the AAU space, it's

1106
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: upside down. You know, in Europe they'll practice six days

1107
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: to play one game, or practice one day to play

1108
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: eight games on a weekend, you know what I mean.

1109
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, some of that

1110
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: just gets repetitive. I don't really think you're growing as

1111
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: a player mentally or really skill wise because you're just

1112
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: always playing and playing is a lot different than working.

1113
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: So but most of the time, if you do have

1114
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: a good coach, talk to him. This is something I

1115
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: learned in the NBA was because I played on a

1116
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: few teams, go what are you looking for me to do?

1117
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: Like when I'm on the court, what do you want

1118
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: me to do? And when that coach tells you that,

1119
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: you got to understand it and do it because they

1120
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: have to know and trust. Every time I put Matt

1121
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: out there, every time I put Steven out there, I

1122
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: know what he's going to do. A coach is not

1123
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: going to put someone out there with shit. He might

1124
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: do this, he might not, Like you don't have a chance.

1125
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: Then you very seldom have wild cards on the court.

1126
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, call like you said, But for me, I

1127
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: think got to be honest with their kids. You got

1128
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: some parents that are bring a kid out there. The

1129
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: kid to have no clue why what's going on in

1130
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: the court, and you wonder why they're on the bench.

1131
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: But you're coming home telling your son, he Michael Jordan,

1132
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: you don't even know what the rebound is like. So

1133
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: your parents got to be you know what I'm saying,

1134
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: honest with their kids too. You know what I'm saying.

1135
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: If you see that he's just not picking that up,

1136
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: then it's something that he's good at. And that's when

1137
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: you have to become a good parent to take the

1138
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: time to find out what it is because that could

1139
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: be killing.

1140
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: It may not be basketball, might not be basketball anybody else. Yep.

1141
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 5: So congratulations again on what you guys are doing. Love

1142
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 5: it and this was dope to bring the group together.

1143
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 5: You guys have talked about on a podcasts before bringing

1144
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 5: together to We Believe team.

1145
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: And doing this. We're supposed to do it.

1146
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: We're supposed to do it later today, but some guys

1147
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: are in and out. Some guys are in, some guys

1148
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: are in, then they're out. So we're supposed to actually

1149
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: have a We Believe show today, but it's still up

1150
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: in there. I got to look on my phone. But

1151
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: being able to get that team back has just been tough.

1152
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: For some reason, it's been tough. I mean, we still

1153
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: all kind of talk, but getting together is always different,

1154
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: especially because it was more you know, run TMC. Although

1155
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: they had a team, it was three, you know what

1156
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, what we believe we were deep. You know,

1157
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: it's Monteus, jays Al, it's both of us, you know,

1158
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: with b Adrints, it's Petrice, you know.

1159
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 3: And so it's just kind of hard.

1160
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: But we will and still are trying to bring that

1161
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: team back together and also do a documentary on that team.

1162
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll be able to accomplish that. If it's

1163
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: not this weekend, whatever, we've been trying to get down,

1164
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. Yeah, if they had your

1165
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: beverage anybody else, Yeah, go ahead.

1166
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask.

1167
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: Just like you guys started a lot in the Bay Area.

1168
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: I grew up with. I had this nine years old. Yeah,

1169
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 3: so I want I just wanted to know, like, there's

1170
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: just so much happening in the Bay Area. What are

1171
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: you guys? Top five Barrier artists.

1172
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 7: Oh it's easy because I grew up in the streets

1173
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 7: listing to bear music. I grew up on mac mal

1174
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 7: Spice one E forty and yeah short richie Vich. But

1175
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 7: today definitely the Russell and of course Simba Larry June.

1176
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, because I was born in

1177
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: San Jose and kind of migrated through Oakland and then

1178
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: landed in Sacramento. But just the Bay is always just

1179
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: such a special place to me because I mean, I

1180
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: live in La, now live there more half my life,

1181
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: but like my heart is here because you guys are different.

1182
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: You guys look at things different. You guys move different,

1183
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: you respect different, you value different things.

1184
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 3: It's real out here. You know.

1185
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: La is a very I love La, but it's a

1186
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: very superficial place and there's a lot of bullshit and

1187
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: a lot of just bullshit talk.

1188
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: I hear.

1189
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: It's more about getting it done and being real and

1190
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: being kind and having good places to eat. And although

1191
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: y'all bit like a motherfucker, I still still love, still

1192
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: love the Bay.

1193
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 7: I noticed when I played here, but as a you know,

1194
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 7: later on as I got older, even when talking to Dylan,

1195
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 7: a lot of people from my hometown Poort author migrated

1196
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 7: to Oakland. Yeah, when doing the Black Panther era and

1197
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 7: a lot of that time, A lot of people from

1198
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 7: Texas migrated to Oakland because they wouldn't get treated right,

1199
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 7: and they felt like Oakland was a safe haven.

1200
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: So I got I got more ties to Oakland than

1201
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: I know.

1202
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody, anybody, somebody, Okay, well, yeah, go ahead, don't

1203
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: be scared when you guys feel like.

1204
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 8: They're the league team.

1205
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 4: Like, what was your favorite memories.

1206
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: Whether it be on or off words, To be honest

1207
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: with you, I would say kicking it and building friendships.

1208
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Jack and I knew each other a

1209
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: little bit before he got here. We made that historical

1210
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: run that season, but then my mom died at the

1211
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: very beginning of the next season, and Jack was there

1212
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: by my side every step of the way.

1213
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1214
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: Baron helped me get on the team, and Baron was

1215
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: my college teammate. And then just getting to grow closer

1216
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: with those guys. They're rich al Monte and the rest

1217
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: of the unit. I would just say the friendships we

1218
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: built off the court, the fun we had off the court,

1219
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: because like we joke about it, but like we were

1220
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: really a team that all smoke weed and all drank

1221
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: and all went out every single night. But still went

1222
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: out the next day and performed as professionals and handled

1223
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: our business. So we were able to for a while

1224
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: kind of burn it on both ends. You know, no

1225
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: pun intended, but we would have a lot of fun

1226
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: off the court, but then we also had a lot

1227
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: of fun on the court, and rarely do you find

1228
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: those teams like that. You know, obviously as run TMC,

1229
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: we wish we could have stuck together longer we had.

1230
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: We didn't even have a season, we believe was twenty

1231
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: eight games and then the playoffs, you know what I mean.

1232
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: So it was really like that. But I think the

1233
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: impact we've been able to have on the Bay Area

1234
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: because we were so relatable, we were touchable, we were

1235
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: in the streets and people just had a lot of

1236
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: fun watching us. I've never mully said it. Steve Kurz

1237
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: said it. The energy and oracle during that time has

1238
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: probably never be duplicated. You know, I was back there

1239
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: to win a championship and it wasn't even close to

1240
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: how loud you guys had it rocking when we were

1241
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs in two thousand

1242
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: and seven.

1243
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 7: So I gotta play it on a lot of teams,

1244
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 7: But like he said, the relationships, Bro, we was in

1245
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 7: each other's wins. Like the relationships we have lasted our

1246
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 7: whole careers when we played on other teams. I'm still

1247
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 7: closest with the people that I play with here in Oakland,

1248
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 7: through all the teammates I had.

1249
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 3: So that says a lot.

1250
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 7: And that means a lot, bro, because you know, you

1251
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 7: some players, you you know some guys you play with

1252
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 7: or not even here right now. You know some guys

1253
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 7: that you play with or are not in the best

1254
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 7: situation financially.

1255
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: Are you what their life is? You know what I mean?

1256
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 3: So to see all my brothers.

1257
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 7: Who I told I love and everybody's doing well, families

1258
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 7: is doing well, We're all doing great things.

1259
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 3: I think that means a lot. You know, that means

1260
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: a lot.

1261
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 7: And it's a testament to the guys and the men

1262
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying that we that we would

1263
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 7: we were at the time, but the men that my

1264
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 7: teammates have grown to be.

1265
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: Jay rich just said he could do it today. So hey,

1266
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: we might be building this out as we speak.

1267
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: Forgive me.

1268
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: We got we got historic day to day, we got

1269
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: Monte's in town.

1270
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 3: Days is the wild card? Yeah, Baron is doing always.

1271
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 7: Guess y'all know, just like we played Beatia is Yeah, Beatias.

1272
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 7: You know, he makes this whole thing go, just like

1273
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 7: we did when we played bro. You know what I'm saying.

1274
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 7: It's just he's in. He just not the brains no more.

1275
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 7: That's the brains now, you know what I'm saying. Beatie

1276
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 7: was running shit and we was playing. You know, he

1277
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 7: was the leader, but you know, Matt took over anybody else.

1278
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 7: Anything you have like a favorite area that.

1279
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Jack's house twelve hundred Lake Shore, Yeah, Lake Shore, Lake

1280
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: Shore Drive.

1281
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 3: Lake Merritt. What what?

1282
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 5: What?

1283
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: What's what's that lake called? Lake Bear? Yeah? Lake beary?

1284
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's the spot.

1285
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: Jack have you win the windows to see the views

1286
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: and our coaches on top. And I don't know if

1287
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: you guys heard the story, but the first round we won,

1288
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: we went back to Jack's house to you know, partake

1289
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: in a little of cannabis and in some alcohol, and

1290
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: then we went to go see Nelly had an after

1291
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: party or after the game party with all you know,

1292
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: some sponsors and older fans, and so we went and

1293
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: stopped by. It was me and him and Baron and

1294
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: a couple of people. As soon as we walk on

1295
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: the door. Nelly yos Hey, Fellas wood He's in the

1296
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: back rolling doobies, and we're looking at you like, what

1297
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: the fuck? Like, keep in mind, this is we just.

1298
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: Finished the game, were going on to the second round.

1299
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: He said, Woody Harrelson's in the back on his balcony

1300
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: rolling joints. Go back there and smoke with him. We're like,

1301
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: what the fuck? All right, don't have to tell us twice.

1302
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: So we we went in there. We're smoking weed in

1303
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: our coach's house or on the balcony, but in our

1304
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: coach's house.

1305
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: And then later that night, later that.

1306
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kate Hudson, it was lowkeybody. And so after after

1307
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: that we went to the club in San Francisco out

1308
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: that way and then Snoop it hit me, So me,

1309
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: Jack and Baron went to Snoop's hotel at the Ritz

1310
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: right up the street and my sister. We smoked so

1311
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: much weed that night that security came and banged on

1312
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: that bitch and me and Jackie like the Rik the

1313
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: Ritz Carlton in San Francisco word season.

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Speaker 3: So we're like, oh, ship, like we.

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00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: Just got you know what I mean, Like we just

1316
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: won these motherfuckers just come in and unscrew the windows

1317
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: and open the windows so the smoke and come out.

1318
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: And if you guys anything, let us know and like,

1319
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: really it's too good.

1320
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: Life is too good. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, Snoop

1321
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: we had to pass with Snoop.

1322
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: Anybody else. I will keep you guys posting. You guys

1323
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: can hang around a little bit. We'll probably know in

1324
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: the next thirty minutes if we're gonna do what we

1325
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: believe show. If we do, it's gonna be around two o'clock.

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00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: Some bike from my team correct me, oh burns at

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00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: two thirty. Well, I think that we believe. Well, take priority.

1328
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: We'll make it work. So we'll keep you guys posting.

1329
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: You guys can hang out.

1330
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 3: There's food.

1331
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna go upstairs and part take. But but we

1332
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys showing up. I know there's a lot

1333
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: of shit going on, So thank you guys for spending

1334
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: some time with us, and make sure.

1335
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 3: You try to do our mess. Coal.

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00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: It's it's a little early, but it's it's it's happy

1337
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: hour somewhere, so go ahead and grab yourself a drink.

1338
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Speaker 1: We got some food, and again, thank you guys for

1339
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Speaker 1: coming out.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, assass