1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Kuric, and this is next question. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: As many of you know, one has already been a 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: brutal year for extreme weather events. We begin tonight with 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: devastating weather in Tennessee. More than twenty people are dead, 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: dozens are missing after extreme flooding this week. Wildfires devastating 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: the West Coast and other parts of the country from 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: California to New Mexico and Alaska and Minnesota. Tonight, the 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: South is frozen solid states struggling to recover from punishing 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: sub zero temperatures. These events are a real reality check 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: that leaves little doubt that climate change is here and 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: affecting all corners of the Earth. What can be one 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: of the coldest places on Earth is on fire. More 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: than two dozen tornadoes have already been reported. Noah designating 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: the storm a rare level five, the highest severity risk 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: for the first time in recorded history. The National Weather 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: Service issuing a flash flood emergency for all five boroughs 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: of New York City. I remember when Hurricane Katrina hit. 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: I traveled down to New Orleans to report on it 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: in person. You know, it's one thing to see New 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: Orleans on television, but when you see it in person. 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: The devastation is overwhelming. We're right now about two blocks 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: away from St. Charles Street, which is, of course, the 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: major thoroughfare in the Garden. Katrina, for me, still stands 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: as a marker for when these big weather events really 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: started to become a regular part of the news. You 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: can't underestimate the fury of a storm like this. It 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: turned streets into rivers, it brings down sections of buildings, 28 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: and just a few minutes ago we watched that boat 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: sail right down the Staith Dave Price has covered his 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: fair share of newsbreaking weather stories. That's because he's a 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: weather anchor for NBC four here in New York. Typically, 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: when weather like this happens, we had to a plane 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: and we head to the south of the Midwest. But 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: it is an hour backyard New York City where we are. 35 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: We're in a park in Queens, New York. Just to 36 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: give you an idea if you're not from this area. 37 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: Dave Price, Welcome to the podcast. Great to have you, always, 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: good to see you, my dear um. Let's talk first 39 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: about you, your favorite topic, before we get into climate change. 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: I thought we'd really get to know you a little 41 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: bit how did you become a weather man? It was 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: kind of a long and winding road, wasn't it, Dave Well, 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean very condensed version is I ran into somebody 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: who worked with me and I said, you know, I've 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: always wanted to be a weather man. In the course 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: of casual conversation and hold on and mice, do you 47 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: want the story? And I'm doing Oh, okay, I mean 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: all right, so here's here's the real story. I always 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: wanted to be a weather man. And I was working 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: at PepsiCo in human resources and uh, I was in 51 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the middle of doing some big meeting and kicking it off, 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: and someone after the meeting approached me and said, you know, 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: you're kind of funny to be in human resources. Uh, 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: you remind me of my brother. And I'm like, oh, 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: what's your brother do? Well? My brother is an anchorman 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: in a small town in Pennsylvania. And I said, I 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: have always wanted to be a weather man. I said, 58 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: I would love to get together with your brother, if, if, 59 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: if he ever comes out here. And I was living 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: in California. I was actually also morbidly obese at the time. 61 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: I was about ninety pounds eighty pounds heavier than I am. Now, um, 62 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: I had started to lose weight. This guy comes out 63 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: and I tell him how badly I wanted to pursue 64 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: a career as a weather man, and uh he told 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: me how difficult it was to work in a small 66 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: market in television, and how challenging a field it was, 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: And I said, you just keep me in mind, and 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: if anything ever comes up, call me. That was that 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: until about I don't know, six months later and their 70 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: weather man quit and he called me, and weeks later 71 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: I was working as a weatherman in Erie, Pennsylvania. That 72 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: is so crazy. It's a crazy story. And to be 73 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: able to um pursue your dreams um as an adult 74 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: is a tremendous gift. And I love every minute of 75 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: of of of being a weather person, all sides of it. 76 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about this paras social relationship that 77 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: viewers form with you, because a study by Bentley University 78 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: found that weather forecasters in particular are the main driver 79 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: of local news loyalty. And of course sometimes I'll be 80 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: talking to you and you'll be on the street and 81 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: people say hi, Dave, and well fewer and fewer these days, 82 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: but oh you shush, you shush. I'm just kidding, but 83 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: I'll be walking down the street people say hi to you. 84 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Why why do people feel so close to their weather? Person? 85 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: Think about it, I mean, think about your own experience. 86 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: You wake up in the morning, and what is one 87 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: of the first things you do. You look out the window. 88 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: You want to be able to plan your day, and 89 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: it begins with that first check. You stand in an elevator, 90 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: what are people talking about there? Talking about the weather? 91 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: You go outside, what are people conversing with one another 92 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: about on the streets? Often it's weather. There's an attachment, 93 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: first of all, that everyone has because this is one 94 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: of those things that affects every single person every single 95 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: day who steps outside of a building. That's a pretty 96 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: big bunch of people. There's a natural curiosity about it 97 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: because it's still mysterious. You report the news, you report 98 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: on what's happened. We're reporting on what we think may happen, 99 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: and there's a story about that. There's a curiosity about 100 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: that and a wonderment which which everyone has and by 101 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: the way, I do too. So I think there's where 102 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: there's part of the connection Number two plane and simply 103 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: the news often is uh depressing divisive, and weather is 104 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: the one time in the newscast often where we kind 105 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: of take a break, We stand down, We say, the 106 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Earth is still on its axis, the sun's gonna set tonight, 107 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna rise again tomorrow. Let's take a breather, and 108 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: when the weather is not a serious subject to talk about, 109 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: we can have a little fun. And I love that 110 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: aspect as much as everything else, this relationship and obviously 111 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: the loyalty that's pledged by viewers. I'm wondering if that's 112 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that it's taken whether people a 113 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: long time to really talk about climate change. I feel 114 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: like there's been a shift really pretty recently that that 115 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: it enters the conversation. What do you think about that assessment? 116 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: Do you think there's something there because it has been 117 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: so politicized Dave, Yeah, it has been. Here's what I think. 118 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: When you see a train coming down the tracks and 119 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: all you see is that little light and it's miles away, 120 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: you say, there's a train coming down the tracks, and 121 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: as it grows closer it becomes harder to ignore. As 122 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: it's about to hit you, you start screaming. And I 123 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: think that's what we're experiencing with the issue of climate change. Um, 124 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: did you ever push to raise it though, Dave, did 125 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: you ever say, hey, we've got to talk about this 126 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: and news directors, or have you ever talked to your 127 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: fellow you know, weather forecasters and they feel a little 128 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: pressure like, don't don't talk about climate change because some 129 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: people don't believe in it. Now, I think years ago, 130 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: as an industry, we weren't sure how to boil down 131 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: all that science into chewable bits that people could understand 132 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: and use, um, and would get people to start thinking 133 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: about and talking about. Quite on the contrary, now though, 134 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, if you if you look at what we've 135 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: done here locally, Um, there's been a tremendous investment in 136 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: the science, in the presentation, even in the time we 137 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: give weather because um, not only do we realize it's 138 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: important from the standpoint of science and journalism, but the 139 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: audience is now demanding it. We can't ignore the bright 140 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: light coming at us at high speed. Now, it's interesting 141 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: that it's taken a while for for people weather people 142 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: to actually say, hey, folks, this is real, and I've 143 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: got to believe there has been some hesitancy on the 144 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: part of of some web their forecast. Let me read 145 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: this quote from this study the author rights of whether people. 146 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: They are incredibly aware of their popularity and they do 147 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: not want to do things that will risk it. Why 148 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: risk stepping into the role of being a science educator 149 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: and presenting the facts if you know the facts are 150 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: going to alienate over half of the people who have 151 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: given you likes on your Facebook page? Ouch, do you 152 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: think that there's that many? Do you hear from climate deniers? Uh? Here, 153 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: let me just tell you this. Let me tell you this. 154 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: If that were the attitude of anyone I worked with 155 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: or I worked for, I'd find another place to work. 156 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean I have I will tell you I have 157 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: not run into that at all. Early on in my career, 158 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: Early on in my career, there were there were points when, uh, 159 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: there was a discussion of whether we vote the time 160 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: to science lessons or whether we devote the time to forecasting. 161 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: What was more important to our viewers? What was happening? 162 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: When was the snow coming? When was the rain coming? 163 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: Because there wasn't more time, you know, what do we 164 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: focus on? Let's not. We don't need to jump into 165 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: the political arguments. Are are were forecasters? I think that 166 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: has you know, the top's been blown off, that that happened, Dave, 167 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: When do you think that happened? I think a lot 168 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: of it. I think a lot of this began to 169 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: really bubble up. Um. I you know, I can't time 170 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: stamp it, but I think from Katrina onward, we began 171 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: to think of whether in a different way. Listen, I'm 172 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: all for and you know I love to make people laugh, 173 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: I love to make people smile, and I do love, 174 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, the idea of just reminding people it's 175 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: all gonna be okay in that weather segment. Um. But 176 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, these are very very important issues and we 177 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: can't ignore them. And so I think that is as 178 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: much a part of being a weatherman now um as 179 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: as anything else. And the drumbeat has just gotten louder. 180 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: You can't look at what's happened with Katrina, uh, the 181 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: number of extreme weather events, the the the facts and 182 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: figures around climate and and just turn the other way. 183 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: You can't just do two minutes of song and dance 184 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: and Seltzer in your pants. It's it's time to focus 185 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: on the science. Hundred and seventy six billion dollars in 186 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: damage from Katrina, I'm just looking at some of my notes. 187 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: Hundred and thirty six billion dollars of damage from Harvey, 188 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: billion from Maria, seventy seven billion from Sandy, fifty four 189 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: billion from IRMA, Andrew fifty billion. These are all in 190 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: And if you look at all of these storms, and 191 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: we can go down from Andrew to I to Ivan Wilma, 192 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: so many of these storms within the last thirty years, 193 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: and that's how we first begin to look at climate. 194 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: It's a very big difference between weather and climate. And 195 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: by the way that there is another uh reason why 196 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: I think maybe we were slower to get to it 197 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: because we're weather people. We look at the weekend, the 198 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: five day, the ten day, but climate is something very different. So, 199 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: but it's interesting, Katie. I don't present climate so much 200 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: as a scientist because I am not, and don't pretend 201 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: to be. I present climate as a citizen. This is 202 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: my city, this is my state, this is my country, 203 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: this is my world, this is where, uh and what 204 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave to my children. So um, but 205 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: that the data is overwhelming, and I think we have 206 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: to look at what the causal factors of that are. 207 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: Do you hear from viewers asking about this more and more. Oh, 208 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: without a doubt we do and uh and we're committed 209 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: to doing uh more with respect to climate. I mean 210 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: we are uh uh you know it. Just look at 211 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: what we just went through with the remnants of Ida, 212 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: the remnants of a storm rolling over our city. And 213 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: when you when you when you have damage like that, 214 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: um uh And you're talking about hundred year and five 215 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: hundred year and thousand year storms which are taking place 216 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: with much much greater frequency. Um it becomes a news story. 217 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: It becomes a story which can top your news as 218 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: much as it could be part of a weather segment. 219 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: And we are committed to doing uh more on that. Remember, 220 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: by the way, Katie, it's not just rain storms and 221 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: it's not just blizzard. The reason all of this is 222 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: really beginning to come front and center is this is 223 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: a convergence of business, of politics, of social policy, and 224 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: of science. All these major highways, all these major pillars 225 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: which keep our society upright are now intersecting with the 226 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: science of of climate change. That's why I think it's 227 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: bubbling up. You know, when when you think about the 228 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: future and you've got to kids, and I've got two 229 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: older kids, and how nervous are you, because I think 230 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: it's very scary, um, if action isn't taken now, and 231 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: everything I've read, from the UN Climate Report to all 232 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: sorts of things are basically saying if we don't take 233 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: significant steps now, we're you know, it's it's it's we're toasts, really, 234 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: and that we have to take significant steps to just 235 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: keep things at the status quo. I am without exaggeration, 236 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: there are nights when I'm sleepless worrying about my kid's future. 237 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: I think we ought to, um, try and find a 238 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: way to boil this down to very simple, very clear language. 239 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: What does it mean when the water temperature goes up 240 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: a degree and a half? What does it mean when 241 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: global temperatures go up to degrees? What does it mean 242 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: when water levels rise? What does it mean when a 243 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: lake evaporates? What does it mean when, um, we see 244 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: forest fires burning out of control? More than simply the 245 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: headlines like these are all questions, UM, which I think 246 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: if answered succinctly and clearly and honestly, we can debate 247 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: until the end of time why this happened, what the 248 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: cause of this is. But we I don't think we 249 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: can debate what is happening, and that's I think where 250 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: we can work from a point of commonality and begin 251 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: to affect change coming up. Why this is the most 252 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: consequential decade in human history. There is no more denying 253 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: that we are living the effects of climate change. But 254 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: we can all do something about it, and we have 255 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: to help explain. I've brought in two experts. I know 256 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: what my name is, but what I do that's much 257 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: more difficult. Who are at the literal front lines of 258 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: this battle to save the planet? Hi? Everyone, I'm Christiana. 259 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: If he is, I'm Tom Rivick. Konnect. The number of 260 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: people on this planet who have brought all countries in 261 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: the world together to an agreement to improve the nature 262 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: of humanity in the way it deals with with other 263 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: people and with nature is one right, and that's Christiana. 264 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: I have been working on climate change for longer than 265 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: most young people's lives, and I am the co founder 266 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: of Global Optimism and co host of Outrage an Optimism podcast. 267 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: I am a co founder with Christiana of Global Blaptimism 268 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: and also co hosts a podcast. We do a whole 269 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: range of things around trying to elevate what everybody else 270 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: is doing to get us to the tipping point on 271 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: climate to deploy the solutions as quickly as we can 272 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: to solve the problem. Tom and Christiana were integral in 273 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: getting the Paris Agreement to an agreement. The Paris Agreement 274 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: is basically a global business this plan, or a global 275 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: pathway to our decarbonization of the global economy by a 276 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: particular deadline, which is twenty now. At that time we 277 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: also thought that it would be enough to only have 278 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: that very long term target. But since then science has 279 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: actually improved and gotten much more detailed and granular, and 280 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: now we know from science that in order to be 281 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: at net zero by tift we have to go through 282 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: the eye of a needle by and by twenty thirty 283 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: we have to be at one half emissions from where 284 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: they are today over the next nine years. Christiana and 285 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: Tom are two of the thousands who have met in Glasgow, 286 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Scotland these past two weeks for copy dedicates and gentlemen. 287 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: The broadcaster and natural historian David Attenborough is one of 288 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: many world leaders who spoke at the conference. As you 289 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: spend the next two weeks debating, negotiating, persuading and compromising, 290 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: as you surely must. It's easy to forget that ultimately 291 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: the emergency climate comes down to a single number, the 292 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: concentration of carbon in our question. By some accounts, this 293 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: summit is our last and best hope at fighting climate change. 294 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: It's hard for us to realize this on a day 295 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: to day basis, but we live at the most consequential 296 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: time in human history. Tom and Christiana graciously came on 297 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: the podcast during this very busy time to explain what's 298 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: at stake and how we can get the world on 299 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: the right path. We now know from science that represents 300 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: a dramatic crossroads in the evolution of human history on 301 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: this planet. Either we will be able to half our 302 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: emissions by or not, and if we do, we will 303 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: be able to open the door into a much better 304 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: world than the one that we have now. If we're 305 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: not able to cut our current emissions by by, we 306 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: are actually condemning our children, grandchildren in many generations after 307 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: that to a world of constant and increasing destruction and 308 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: human misery. Now, if you look at the impacts we're 309 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: already experiencing in California, in Australia, and Siberia, in Greece, 310 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: in Spain, on and on. As a result of the 311 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: one degree of warming we've already had, you only have 312 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: to sort of do a small jump to think about 313 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: what that would look like at three degrees. So we 314 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: are at the final hour where we can do something 315 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: about this. We've left dealing with the climate crisis so 316 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: late that we now have no more chances to miss 317 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: another deadline. And actually, that's a lot for us to 318 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: think about, right if you're trying to absorbed the fact 319 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: that we will have a bigger impact on the future 320 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: of humanity and the future of all of life on 321 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: Earth than any generation that has previously existed. If we 322 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: understand that the challenge of the climate crisis is one 323 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: that we frankly cannot afford to fail on, then we 324 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: understand how important it is too. On the one hand, 325 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: recognize the depth of the pain, the grief, the sorrow, 326 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: frankly the anger that many of us, especially young people 327 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: feel at the fact that we have delayed responses to 328 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: climate change for such a long time. And at the 329 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: same time, while we have our boots deeply into that grief, 330 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: it is also very important to raise our eyes towards 331 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: the solutions and what can we do to contribute to 332 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: those solutions. If we only stay in our muddy boots grief, 333 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: we contribute nothing, and it's almost a self fulfilling prophecy. 334 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: So while we cannot deny the pain or the reality 335 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: that science is putting before our eyes, we also have 336 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: to be able to pull ourselves up out of that 337 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: pain and step into the power that that can give us. 338 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: For me, the two basic concepts that are important our 339 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: urgency and agency urgency, because we can no longer delay, 340 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: and it is only in exercising that agency, in actually 341 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: engaging constructively within whatever level of influence we have, that 342 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: we will be able to raise ourselves over the grief 343 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: and the sorrow that we all understandably feel and contribute 344 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: to the solution collectively when we come back. Your practical 345 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: action guide for climate change that's right after this in 346 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: Christiana and Tom wrote an excellent book called The Future 347 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: We Choose, The Stubborn Optimist Guide to the Climate Crisis. 348 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: In it, they provide practical actions we can all take 349 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: on climate change. We first have to realize that there's 350 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: nothing that we can do to change something that we 351 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: do not understand, and so the first, very first step 352 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: is to measure our carbon footprint, and that's easily done. 353 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: There are many different carbon calculators out there, miss Google 354 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: knows of all of them and will list them for you. 355 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: So all you have to do is choose any organization 356 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: that you trust and um and do a carbon calculator 357 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: for yourself or your family, for your school, for your city, 358 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: for whoever you have the data for. That is the 359 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: starting point from whe which you then without blaming yourself 360 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: or your city, or your country or anyone else, because 361 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: we all start from wherever we are. We just accept 362 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: that at face value and say, right from where we are, now, 363 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: what can we do? What can I do? What can 364 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: my neighbors do? What can everyone do? And that is 365 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: the starting point. And then tom well, so the ten 366 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: actions that we set out in the future we choose 367 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: can really be divided into three different subcategories, and we 368 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: sort of think that this is relevant for anyone who's 369 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: trying to deal with the climate crisis and play their part. 370 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: The first is actually about how we show up as 371 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: individuals at this moment. It's all too easy to feel 372 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: like this is impossible, to feel depressed, and those feelings 373 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: are entirely rational, actually an understandable given the scale of 374 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: what we're facing. But what we say is that showing 375 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: up with a kind of gritty, determined, stubborn optimism will 376 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: give you a sense of momentum and determination to do more. 377 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: To remain focused on the fact that it is within 378 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: our power to turn this around. We tend to forget 379 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: our internal stance towards big societal changes, but we actually 380 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: think that that's the fundamental basis by which we need 381 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: to engage with this issue. So the first is how 382 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: do I show up as an individual at this moment. 383 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: The second is around our own personal footprint, and this 384 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: is important for two reasons. First, those of us who 385 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: are probably listening to this podcast live in parts of 386 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: the world where we contribute disproportionately more than most people 387 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: in the world. Europe, North America. We are the biggest 388 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: emitters and we have largely caused this problem, and the 389 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: worst impacts are going to be experienced by people who 390 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: live in other parts of the world, people like India 391 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: and Southeast Asia and Nastrian America Africa. So as a 392 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: result of that, we need to take responsibility for that footprint. 393 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: First of all, we need to harve our footprint within 394 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: ten years actually, with a bit of planning and forethought, 395 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: that's enough time. It's enough time to change the capital 396 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: intensive items in your life. When you might replace your boiler, 397 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: replace your car, whatever else. Make a plan that covers 398 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: a ten a period. We tend to underestimate what we 399 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: can do in ten years um and if we actually 400 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: make a plan and go for it, we can really 401 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: make that change. The second reason why taking responsibility for 402 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: your own footprint is important is it makes you feel 403 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: like you're part of a great generational endeavor to actually 404 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: change the world, rather than feeling depressing on the outside. 405 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: And the third action that we think everybody should take 406 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: is to consider how you engage with power in your life. 407 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: We all touch power in various different ways. We might 408 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: be on a school board, we could be an employee, 409 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: we might have a pension fund, we might run a business. 410 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: Many of us are voters. So all of those different 411 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: ways in which you touch power, each of those gives 412 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: you a different opportunity to exert influence over those different players, 413 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: so that we can also embrace the systemic change that 414 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: we need that is beyond the control of the individuals. 415 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: Cast yourself forward some what is actually a kind of 416 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: laughably small period of time, like five years or a 417 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: thousand years, But we're so unused to thinking in those 418 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: time friends into the future and think back to now 419 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: and realize that there was these two or three decades 420 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: where we either did something to change the future all 421 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: the way forward to five d or a thousand years 422 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: into the future, to preserve the coral reefs, to protect 423 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: the rainforests, to preserve the glaciers in tropical countries, all 424 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: we just kind of didn't bother and the whole thing 425 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: just collapsed and will not come back in any time 426 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: scale that has any meaning for humans. The magnitude of 427 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: the consequence of every decision that we're taking today, of 428 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: every investment decision, of every technology decision, of every policy 429 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: decision is so difficult to understand, precisely because of this magnitude. 430 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: And yet we have to wake up to the fact 431 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: that those of us who are adults right now, who 432 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: are sitting at many different tables making those decisions, carry 433 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: the weight of those decisions. While it's true that real 434 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: failure on climate change is still possible, and we will 435 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: lose the opportunity to control the climatic system, and we 436 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: will bear witness to these terrible changes that we know 437 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: could be in our future. It's also true that real 438 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: success is still possible and that actually humanity will come 439 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: together when it needs to, will deal with this issue, 440 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: will transform our energy systems, will reforest our planet, We 441 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: will deal with these issues while we can, and that 442 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: we will be the generation that turned this around. And actually, 443 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: when you when you absorb that reality and you try 444 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: to think about the magnitude of this moment and what's 445 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: required of us, a kind of deep, gritty and determined 446 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: optimism is not an illogical outlook on that moment. That's 447 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: not to say that we believe it is inevitable that 448 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: we will end this struggle in the right way, but 449 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: it's really possible. And if you look back at history, 450 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: these moments of deep transformation, like if you think about 451 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: things like I have a dream, or fight them on 452 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: the beaches, or the salt marches to the beach at 453 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: the end of the colonial oppression in India, these were 454 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: really dark moments right there. Weren't moments that were full 455 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: of possibility everything was going to change. But it was 456 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: that grit and that determination to refuse to accept that 457 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: we were unable to deal with this situation that actually 458 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: created the possibility of changing it. So when we say 459 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: face this moment with stubborn optimism, the last thing we 460 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: mean is it's all going to be absolutely fine. Of course, 461 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: anyone who's paying attention knows that nobody can guarantee that. 462 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: But what we can guarantee is that this is on 463 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: us right now, and that we are the generation that 464 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: lives right in the full cropt between these two worlds. 465 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: No future generation will be able to do anything about 466 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: this issue. If this is going to be sorted out, 467 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: it's going to be going to be because we figured 468 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: out how to do it. No one's coming along to 469 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: save us. So for our parents it was too early. 470 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: For our children, it will be too late. This is 471 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the responsibility of all of us who are adults right now, 472 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: sitting and making decisions on a daily basis. We knew, 473 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: but we didn't do what was necessary. Is that the 474 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: answer that we're going to have to give to future generations. 475 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: There's a part of me that wakes up and feels 476 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: the magnitude of this and the sadness of this on 477 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: a regular basis. But that determination and that optimism is 478 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: a real choice. But it's also not irrational, right, If 479 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: you look around at the moment, many of the things 480 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: that are happening, that are transforming are remarkable. They're happening 481 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: at speed and scale. I mean, just a couple of examples. 482 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: Right now, in over a hundred countries around the world, 483 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: wind and solar are the cheapest form of energy, not 484 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: only compared to new gas and coal, but even compared 485 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: to running the existing gas and coal power stations that 486 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: have already been paid off. I mean, that's a complete 487 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: game changer, right. We are well on the way to 488 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: completely killing the internal combustion engine inside the next tent 489 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: of fifteen years. Anybody that we've said that to would 490 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: have thought that those numbers and those dates were crazy. 491 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: So there is so much to be excited about. There's 492 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: so many reasons to be afraid of the future. But 493 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: what you also see if you look carefully is these 494 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: incredible nodes of hope and possibility that are just expanding 495 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: at this incredible pace. And the next few decades are 496 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: going to be the most exciting time to be aligned. 497 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: More beautifully said than I could, Thank you to my 498 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: guest Christianna Figaris and Tom Ribbitt Karnak their book is 499 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: called The Future We choose The Stubborn Optimist Guide to 500 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: the Climate Crisis, and their podcast is called Outrage and Optimism. 501 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: In this day and age, both should be required reading 502 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: and listening, so get to it everyone. Thank you also 503 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: to my good friend Dave Price, New Yorkers. You can 504 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: catch him at eleven and four on your local NBC channel. 505 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time. Next Question 506 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: with Katie Kurik is a production of My Heart Media 507 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: and Katie Kuric Media. The executive producers Army, Katie Kuric, 508 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: and Courtney Litz. The supervising producer is Lauren Hansen. Associate 509 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: producers Derek Clements, Adriana Fasio, and Emily Pinto. The show 510 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: is edited and mixed by Derek Clements. For more information 511 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: about today's episode, or to sign up for my morning newsletter, 512 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: wake Up Call, go to Katie currect dot com. 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