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Speaker 1: Lab Live two weeks ago from New York City.
Speaker 2: I almost feel like we should talk about the fact
Speaker 2: that you are here for your wedding more because we
Speaker 2: didn't talk about it in the previous episode, or am
Speaker 2: I being so literal and we need to like let
Speaker 2: go and let ideas come to us.
Speaker 1: No, we can talk about it.
Speaker 2: There's something about this moment being captured on tape where
Speaker 2: I'm like, y'll wind up.
Speaker 1: We listen to this one day. You know, this is
Speaker 1: how I felt after Trump was elected the second time.
Speaker 1: You flew in yesterday.
Speaker 2: I flew in yesterday, and today's Tuesday, and you're getting
Speaker 2: married on Saturday. Yeah, how are you feeling, Queen?
Speaker 1: I feel normal. I'm feeling like like I do feel
Speaker 1: a bit like like it's a solo show and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh god, oh god. Like there's just like logistics that
Speaker 1: are sort of unknown until the day of where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like what if someone weird shows up and they like.
Speaker 2: Well, well we've had a couple of close calls folks,
Speaker 2: and yeah.
Speaker 1: Like what if it's really windy and and like the
Speaker 1: something blows away or I don't know what I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's like all these little things, but I'm and but
Speaker 1: I'm mostly just excited. I think it'll be fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I think because I don't know if you
Speaker 1: felt this way. Because we've been together so long, I
Speaker 1: feel like, like, similarly to how we were talking about,
Speaker 1: like how every gig on earth is open, and so
Speaker 1: it's like is this more important or less important? There's
Speaker 1: something about being together for so long where it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like, fuck it, we're taking a leap, Like it
Speaker 1: just feels like, oh, we're sort of like doing what
Speaker 1: was We're just like labeling it properly.
Speaker 2: So this is actually similar to my sort of theory
Speaker 2: about how there are two ways to come out. One
Speaker 2: is to come out when you're still figuring it out
Speaker 2: because you need support, and one is to first fully
Speaker 2: figure out who you are and be like, and now
Speaker 2: it's time for me to make my debut. Wow, what
Speaker 2: did you do? I did the latter like, I yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: very you. Yes, we've talked about this, but it's like
Speaker 2: I remember when I came out to my parents. They
Speaker 2: were hurt that I hadn't done it earlier because they
Speaker 2: were like, did you think we wouldn't be supportive? Like
Speaker 2: did you think did we create an environment that made
Speaker 2: you think you couldn't tell us? And I was like no,
Speaker 2: I just didn't want it to be at all a conversation.
Speaker 2: I wanted to first fully like like have a boyfriend,
Speaker 2: like have know exactly who I was and what I
Speaker 2: wanted to tell you when you asked me what the
Speaker 2: deal was, and then do it. And I think I
Speaker 2: think for many for some people, especially some straight people,
Speaker 2: marriages is almost like them taking a leap in being like,
Speaker 2: let's hope this word, and like jumping off of the cliff.
Speaker 2: And I think especially for gay guys getting married in
Speaker 2: their thirties, it's sort of like, okay, what else, what else?
Speaker 2: Let's get married.
Speaker 1: I have a question when it comes to vows what
Speaker 1: level of humor are you working with? What level is appropriate?
Speaker 1: What level is inappropriate? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Should we bring in our guests to join us in
Speaker 2: chatting about this?
Speaker 1: Yes? Please welcome back to the podcast. Devin Walker.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up? I wasn't sure if I was allowed
Speaker 3: to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Actually weren't, but I was, but you seem so eager
Speaker 2: that I said, well.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't. I was like, I'm sitting here. I
Speaker 1: was like, am I waiting for this?
Speaker 4: And also Sam looked over here a couple of times
Speaker 4: this is this happens.
Speaker 2: We can't help, but we want to be affirmed, but
Speaker 2: we don't want the guests. It's like want.
Speaker 4: O'side, Sam looking over being like, I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 4: had him.
Speaker 2: We want. We were just talking actually about the power
Speaker 2: of nodding and how it can actually be almost condescending.
Speaker 2: Like if you're in an especially in a business context.
Speaker 2: Let's say you're like pitching something. You're like, so it's
Speaker 2: about a gay guy, and then the exact is like
Speaker 2: dramatically nodding, and you're like okay. But that's ultimately what
Speaker 2: we want when we're doing our intro. We want someone
Speaker 2: to be so aggressively supportive but also silent, yeah exactly,
Speaker 2: like holding a sign that's like yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 1: It's actually so pitiful when a guest is like really like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, we got this.
Speaker 2: The worst, of course, is when we're on zoom and
Speaker 2: someone's fully just on their phone. Oh yeah, they're just
Speaker 2: like have some respect, please, clipping his nails like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, did he clip his nails?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeast say, I do do that every time I have therapy.
Speaker 4: That's my time nail therapy earlier today, and that's my
Speaker 4: clipping my nails time. Wow, I do FaceTime therapy. And
Speaker 4: that I hope she's not disrespected. I never even considered
Speaker 4: that she would be until right now.
Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. The problem what maybe she
Speaker 2: thinks you're stimming makes you do FaceTime therapy in a
Speaker 2: post COVID world.
Speaker 3: My therapist lives in Texas.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's grandfathered in from from literally like childhood,
Speaker 4: not from childhood.
Speaker 1: They had a childhood.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just like, when was the last time you
Speaker 2: lived in Texas?
Speaker 1: Uh? Twenty eighteen? Oh oh, I didn't know that that
Speaker 1: was so much more recent than I expected.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, do I just feel like I've been here
Speaker 3: for a lot longer?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you move to New York in twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's shocking to me. Why I was sure you
Speaker 1: were here at least twenty sixteen. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. I was in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 4: I only lived in Central Texas for my whole life
Speaker 4: until twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: So you have had the same therapist since twenty since
Speaker 2: before twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: For she left for a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know when you realize you like really don't know
Speaker 4: anything about your therapist life. Yeah, I had this moment
Speaker 4: because so we I had her in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: Then I moved here.
Speaker 4: Then I was too broke to afford therapy, so then
Speaker 4: we stopped seeing each other. Uh, and then we started back.
Speaker 4: Like during the Pan Dimmic endemic, I was like, I
Speaker 4: gotta go back to therapy. It's been like a year
Speaker 4: and a half. I was like it's time. And I
Speaker 4: like had a better job. I had my Comedy Central
Speaker 4: money out, so I was like, yo.
Speaker 2: Your guys' Comedy Central era. Now that was iconic. That
Speaker 2: was that was legendary. That was like it was so insane,
Speaker 2: it was. It's I think of that era the way
Speaker 2: people talk about like nineties eighties New York like anything
Speaker 2: was possible, what.
Speaker 1: A free for all?
Speaker 4: Truly Also like that that was my first job in comedy.
Speaker 4: That was my first like full time.
Speaker 1: That was my first full time job. Sure. That was
Speaker 1: when I was like, Okay, I have income, yeah, like
Speaker 1: I have like a salary. Yeah, yeah, and that felt good.
Speaker 3: It was incredible. That was an incredible time.
Speaker 4: It was the first time since I moved to New
Speaker 4: York that I could like buy a plane ticket somewhere
Speaker 4: and it didn't ruin my life financially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course there was nowhere to.
Speaker 2: Go right exactly. Yeah, it was like where we're applying
Speaker 2: to Yeah, texas a therapyt I did fly to text,
Speaker 2: but anyway, my therapist, Yeah, I started back with.
Speaker 4: Her during twenty two twenty and then I remember having
Speaker 4: a conversation with her where she was just like, hey,
Speaker 4: I actually need to go on maternity leave. She goes,
Speaker 4: I'm about to have my second child, And I said,
Speaker 4: I didn't know you were pregnant right now one and
Speaker 4: I didn't know you had a first kid, much less second.
Speaker 2: Anything underdiscussed element of remote work in general, that is
Speaker 2: actually shocking the way you don't know that people are pregnant.
Speaker 1: Had no clue. Are you supposed to know about your
Speaker 1: therapist's life. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean I think different people have like different relationships
Speaker 4: with it. I've talked to people who like really seem
Speaker 4: to know, like, oh yeah, my like therapist went on
Speaker 4: vacation to here and like, you know, she recommended this
Speaker 4: hotel or whatever. But like my therapist is like kind
Speaker 4: of although I will say and I can't, man, I
Speaker 4: don't want to.
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't want to put too much of
Speaker 3: her business out here.
Speaker 4: But like one time, my therapist was just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: like I was just I was telling her about some
Speaker 4: feelings that I was having about like something, and she
Speaker 4: was like, she goes, yeah, you know, I understand the
Speaker 4: way that that kind of thinking. Look, I was basically
Speaker 4: talking about like being around like really rich people for
Speaker 4: the first time and like just not really knowing how
Speaker 4: to acclimate to that. And she was like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: know what you're talking about. She goes, my husband's family founded.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's so fun.
Speaker 1: That is really amazing. Found it. That's right, damn.
Speaker 2: But also obviously like, yes, she's relating to you, Yes,
Speaker 2: but it is different to marry into like you're talking about,
Speaker 2: feeling like an outsider in a situation where people have
Speaker 2: more money than you. That's different than marrying into that
Speaker 2: generational wealth. It's like she actually now is a rich woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is like.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but why work.
Speaker 4: I I mean, I think she just like I mean,
Speaker 4: because it's like you don't want to just sit in
Speaker 4: you don't want to just say you.
Speaker 1: Don't want to you don't want to be you guys
Speaker 1: have it.
Speaker 2: You would not stop working if you married the.
Speaker 1: No, that's true, but my work would be so much
Speaker 1: more glamorous.
Speaker 3: What do you think your work would look like in that, Well.
Speaker 1: It would be like like I would like still do
Speaker 1: like comedy, but it would be like I wouldn't ever
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't ever need to be successful in this way.
Speaker 1: That would be like I'm throwing the big event at
Speaker 1: like the.
Speaker 2: Thing, Oh, I would only be doing Joe's pub. I
Speaker 2: would be like I don't need to appeal to anyone
Speaker 2: outside of Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It would allow you to be your freest self.
Speaker 4: Yeah, creatively really like it doesn't matter kind of It's
Speaker 4: like it's like being like a rich woman who starts
Speaker 4: like a lotion line exactly.
Speaker 1: That was really beautiful the way that the nunciation.
Speaker 2: You would embrace having a boutique rather than having a
Speaker 2: what's it called when someone's like franchise rather than having
Speaker 2: a friend.
Speaker 1: I mean the short films I put out, yes, short
Speaker 1: truly would.
Speaker 4: Be like baby I need twenty five thousand because I
Speaker 4: got a story to tell.
Speaker 2: Short films off and off Broadway around. You would fund
Speaker 2: yourself easily six weeks. I would quite frankly fund the art.
Speaker 2: The Lincoln Center would be renamed the George Center. Let's
Speaker 2: just say that.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're marrying like a Rockefeller.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: You're right, that's the same You're right, that's the same
Speaker 4: type of Maybe. I just I think I can't even
Speaker 4: quantify what that means. Yeah, in a family like that.
Speaker 1: I love that because it's like a joke that I
Speaker 1: feel like I used to make all the time, be
Speaker 1: like and you know my father, the you know, CEO
Speaker 1: of BP, And it's like, no, that is someone. It's
Speaker 1: someone real that exists for someone and he's married to someone.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know what I remember? I went to middle
Speaker 2: school with this girl. I guess. I won't say what
Speaker 2: the company was. I'll say it in a little bleep
Speaker 2: it so, but should we bleep mine too? I'm like, so,
Speaker 2: but here's the thing saw that that was her last name.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this girl is probably so rich.
Speaker 2: And I was operating under that assumption the entire time.
Speaker 2: Later on, many years later, I did a google. It
Speaker 2: turns out her side of the family somehow was like
Speaker 2: not the part that got the money. So this entire
Speaker 2: time I was treating her like the spoiled rich girl.
Speaker 2: She was like fighting for her life and is now
Speaker 2: like a struggling And the entire time I was like,
Speaker 2: shut up, bitch, Like why are you speaking up in class?
Speaker 2: Like you do not relate to that character in that novel.
Speaker 2: No one cares that you have to say. And in fact,
Speaker 2: it's actually even worse, I think, to have had access
Speaker 2: to wealth and then lost it because you like know
Speaker 2: what you're missing.
Speaker 3: You've seen that other side. Damn Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's actually the plot of Shit's Creak, my
Speaker 2: favorite television series.
Speaker 1: Okay, back to my original question, Yes, how much humor
Speaker 1: is allowed in vows?
Speaker 2: I'm like, go, I think I think it's not about
Speaker 2: how much.
Speaker 1: Yours was like you went full sincere.
Speaker 2: I had some laughing. Wow, I had laughs.
Speaker 4: Sam was like, Yeah, the thing about you is that
Speaker 4: you didn't even feel the need to be funny, not
Speaker 4: even a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think it's not gonna drop.
Speaker 2: What sounds referring to is that it ended on sincerity
Speaker 2: rather than ending on a punchline that I tried to
Speaker 2: have like, yeah, but I think my general answer to
Speaker 2: you would be basically, there has to be at least
Speaker 2: a moment of genuine sincerity, and then around that you
Speaker 2: can have as much humor as possible. But what you
Speaker 2: can do is not have any sincerity, of.
Speaker 1: Course, because I want some sincerities like but I am
Speaker 1: worried about it coming off as like and that's when
Speaker 1: I knew I was gay. Like I'm worried about like
Speaker 1: landing in cliches as you were talking about in a
Speaker 1: way that I'm scared of.
Speaker 4: I feel I have weddings a really fine time to
Speaker 4: land in cliches.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's I think. Yeah, I think there's
Speaker 1: not gonna reinvent the wheel, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think there's only so many ways to tell someone
Speaker 1: that you love them.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. But the thing is, like there's
Speaker 2: some cliches that are so unforgivable, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like some so that I don't say them my person, like
Speaker 2: anything about love at first sight, like anything about like
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, like, oh, you know.
Speaker 3: You have taste, You're not gonna let you're not gonna land.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, you're not gonna it's because it doesn't Cliche
Speaker 2: doesn't come naturally to your Other people have to fight cliche,
Speaker 2: Like you don't have to fight cliche. I think that's
Speaker 2: the I think that for many people, that's the instinct
Speaker 2: just to go to cliches. So then you have to
Speaker 2: train yourself out of it. But I think that's not
Speaker 2: gonna be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well we're gonna find it, you know. Tonight,
Speaker 1: I'm really gonna hunker down and get to write, and
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yeah, it's gonna be something. It's gonna be something.
Speaker 2: I I think one way to maybe avoid cliche, and
Speaker 2: I think I tried to do this when I did
Speaker 2: mine is like there's an instinct to think about the past,
Speaker 2: because it's like you have this instinct to be like,
Speaker 2: how did we meet and did I know when? What
Speaker 2: were the best moments in our relationship? And there should
Speaker 2: obviously be some of that, but it actually is much
Speaker 2: more interesting to talk about like how you envision the
Speaker 2: future interesting, And I think that there are less there
Speaker 2: are fewer cliches. I mean unless you literally go like
Speaker 2: till death to us part, I think there are fewer
Speaker 2: cliches when you're like imagining the future than there are
Speaker 2: when you're like on our first date when you ordered
Speaker 2: the ball and Z I knew you were the one
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, for sure, definitely don't say it like that.
Speaker 3: Well that's suddenly, don't.
Speaker 1: When I'm imagining speaking, all I can hear is like
Speaker 1: fake voice. It's being like, Misha, you are random.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite cliches is remind me what your
Speaker 2: middle what's your middle?
Speaker 1: N Thompson.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite cliches is okay, get ready, this
Speaker 2: is me doing my vast Samuel Thompson Taggart starting with
Speaker 2: the full name yes is so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, Because it's one of those things that you
Speaker 2: are doing it almost to imply intimacy, and yet you
Speaker 2: are calling someone by their legal name. It is distancing.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy, you know what.
Speaker 1: I Actually the biggest cliche that I find is being
Speaker 1: like and someone who will always split an omelet with
Speaker 1: me three in the morning, like that type.
Speaker 2: Of thing, like I promise to always water the plants,
Speaker 2: but not over water.
Speaker 1: That's it, that's true. Well that's not.
Speaker 2: But but the thing is you will have to do
Speaker 2: one specific thing like that. That's like the entire joke
Speaker 2: is the specificity of it, Like I'll.
Speaker 4: Always eat the rice if you eat the beet exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a way in which at some point everything
Speaker 2: starts feeling like a cliche. And then and you will
Speaker 2: get to that point. I'm sorry to tell you you will.
Speaker 2: At some point you will pass it, but you will
Speaker 2: get to that point where like, oh no, everything I'm
Speaker 2: thinking sounds like it's from a rom com.
Speaker 1: How did you? How long did it take for you?
Speaker 2: I think you you have like initial writer's block and
Speaker 2: then it sort of will pour out of you. Okay,
Speaker 2: because and I actually think you should do it or
Speaker 2: I did it like almost free writing style where I
Speaker 2: was like it was almost like one run on sentence
Speaker 2: because it is like a spoken thing, like I don't
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't have to be like a five
Speaker 2: paragraph essay, right, right, But I have faith in conclusion.
Speaker 2: In conclusion.
Speaker 4: Wait, can I ask you who who was officiate? Is
Speaker 4: there a comedian officiating?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, maybe the number one comedian?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Interesting because he was there the night we were
Speaker 1: we met. I was at the Metropolitan Gay Bar with Julio.
Speaker 1: When I met me.
Speaker 3: The Metropolitan gay Bar.
Speaker 2: I actually told my sister. She was like, where sounds Minny.
Speaker 2: I was like Metropolitan, And we had this entire conversation
Speaker 2: that I realized she thought it was at the met Museum.
Speaker 2: She was like, that is so cool. Like, how do.
Speaker 1: I will say on the invites? Mesha put like metropology
Speaker 1: Infrinsley's gay Bar, and I was like, why did you
Speaker 1: put it?
Speaker 2: Though I thought about someone coming from out of town.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't even think about that.
Speaker 4: I just went to a comedian wedding that was also
Speaker 4: officiated by a comedian. I went to my buddy Andrew
Speaker 4: Dismukes got married to his longtime girlfriend Ali. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: guys know Ali. You guys know Andrew and Ally who
Speaker 4: officiated it was a guy. He's an Austin comedian. We
Speaker 4: all came up in Austin together years ago and he
Speaker 4: is this guy named Mason, and he did he It
Speaker 4: was really funny. I will say he was killing, but
Speaker 4: he did do longer than both of them.
Speaker 3: Mason did a smooth fifteen.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: He talked for a long long time in a way
Speaker 3: that I.
Speaker 4: Was like, Mason, maybe you'll hear this, but it's like,
Speaker 4: I'll say this if we talk in real life. Like
Speaker 4: he was like referencing like this like sketch series that
Speaker 4: her and Ally did in like twenty twelve, and like
Speaker 4: was really going into like I had this vision for
Speaker 4: sketches and she thought about characters in this kind of
Speaker 4: wayly fun and like really was like diving it. But
Speaker 4: I will say getting laughs the entire time, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4: But I will say I've never seen anyone do like
Speaker 4: it felt like watching someone do actually do stand up
Speaker 4: at a wedding in a way that I'm curious to
Speaker 4: see what Julio's gonna gonna bring to it.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what well.
Speaker 2: I ran into Julio a couple of days ago and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, have sometimes you have a
Speaker 2: conversation with Julia and you leave with more questions than answers,
Speaker 2: So of course I was like, I was like, so, like,
Speaker 2: are you excited to officiate? And Juli was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I should do the online thing. I was like, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 2: get definitely do that, but then also like are you
Speaker 2: excited for the actual officiation, And then he was like yeah,
Speaker 2: blah blah, and I was like, I was like, do
Speaker 2: you want I mean, this is so stupid, but I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I officiated a wedding once. If
Speaker 2: you want me to send my thing? Like, if you't
Speaker 2: just like structuralize me. Was like that's okay, and I
Speaker 2: was like, got it. And then I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: the hardest part is, you know, knowing that your audience
Speaker 2: is half like your friends and then half family that
Speaker 2: maybe doesn't you know, share your sense of humors here
Speaker 2: a sensibility, and Hula was just like, oh, I hadn't
Speaker 2: even thought about it. What are we talking about here?
Speaker 3: Ulio starts pulling a bunch of.
Speaker 2: You haven't thought about that? That's the number one thing.
Speaker 2: The number one thing with officiating, especially if you're like
Speaker 2: in our community, is like you have to appeal to
Speaker 2: both like aunt Mary yep and you know. Amy Zimmer
Speaker 2: I thought it.
Speaker 1: Was so funny. We talked on the phone this weekend
Speaker 1: and he was like, first of all, I've written nothing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, that's okay. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: literally nothing, and I was like that's okay.
Speaker 2: Well the other thing, you know, he is going to
Speaker 2: be really good. Yeah, yeah, but you almost don't want
Speaker 2: to peek into his process because it's like you don't
Speaker 2: want to know what method goes into the madness. Anyway, Well,
Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting, it's going to be great.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to make sure. I forget who I was
Speaker 3: talking to.
Speaker 4: Somebody who lives in LA who's flying out of here
Speaker 4: for it, and I forget who it was. That's not
Speaker 4: interesting anyway.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, bra Met Yeah, is she really good? No?
Speaker 1: I could see a world in which all cross paths
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 2: I would love it if she showed up. She's like harried,
Speaker 2: like late at coming out of an uber. Sorry, guys, Jesus,
Speaker 2: keep going, keep going. Sorry, I just fleming from Tel Aviv.
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh she's doing that, oh big time. Oh I
Speaker 4: see I didn't.
Speaker 2: Do our first segment.
Speaker 1: Let's do our first segment, Devin. Our first segment is
Speaker 1: called straight Shooters, and in this segment, we're going to
Speaker 1: ask you a series of rapifier questions to gage your
Speaker 1: familiarity with and complicity in a straight culture. It's basically
Speaker 1: this thing or this other thing. And the only rule
Speaker 1: is you can't ask any follo up questions or we'll
Speaker 1: scream at you not that you need to be reminded, George.
Speaker 2: Kickassow the Big Bang or the one and only Bowen
Speaker 2: Yang and Yang, protecting.
Speaker 1: Your data or forgetting your true Veda.
Speaker 2: Forgetting your true beda. Oh wow, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that means. You shouldn't have said you don't know what
Speaker 2: it means. Does the carpet match the drapes? Or going
Speaker 2: to the market to buy some grapes?
Speaker 3: Going to the market to buy some grapes.
Speaker 1: Okay, this one's tough because it actually needs voice work that.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm qualified to do this. It's just
Speaker 1: like my ears still unpopped from the flight yesterday, So
Speaker 1: like I'm not working with like the full register f
Speaker 1: K twigs or South Park teacher voice. Okay, I can't
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: I want to kill You're doing a great job.
Speaker 1: I can't do it, George, I can't do it. I
Speaker 1: can't do it. George.
Speaker 3: You want to you want to give it?
Speaker 2: What work?
Speaker 1: Guys. I need to listen to it, Guys, I just
Speaker 1: have to listen to it, if anyone could. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Here's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll put it in f K Twigs or good kids,
Speaker 2: and then you put it in a.
Speaker 1: Post because this is but say what it is? Okay, kids?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: And I wrote this on the train, thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: when the cameras are on, maybe something you'll find it.
Speaker 1: And then I said, I've never found something when the
Speaker 1: cameras are on. If I can't find it secretly in private,
Speaker 1: I can't find it when the cameras are on.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you do have to choose.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go K Twigs.
Speaker 2: Wow, the coward's choice. You didn't want to do that,
Speaker 2: K kids, I really didn't. Okay.
Speaker 1: I didn't really grow up watching south Park.
Speaker 2: This is the second This is the second time we talked.
Speaker 2: I also didn't grow up watching south Park. Okay. And
Speaker 2: I did denim on denim or bend it like Beckham.
Speaker 1: Okay, this one's really hard. J Street metro tech or
Speaker 1: Old King WinCE Sloss.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1: I've got to go Jay Street.
Speaker 2: Real politic or fake plastic trees.
Speaker 1: Real politic? Okay, Ranked choice voting or staying face emoting
Speaker 1: stank face emoting?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Is fake plastic trees? Radiohead?
Speaker 1: Honey, you're the one that wrote it.
Speaker 2: It's one.
Speaker 1: Do you not? Is it not? No?
Speaker 3: That was never mind. I guess I'm not supposed to say,
Speaker 3: but I was. Yeah, go ahead, is.
Speaker 2: That not a recognizable I think it's Radiohead, but I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: Okay, now you're it sounds like none of us is
Speaker 3: me and you're a straight shooter.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 2: You know when something is just like you know the
Speaker 2: I've known that phrase since I was like twelve, and
Speaker 2: it's because it's an album title.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you google it? Right? The se No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, okay, we have to rank Devin's performance
Speaker 2: on a scale of zero to one thousand doves.
Speaker 1: Here's what I will say.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we were really experimenting, definitely. I mean
Speaker 2: I don't even know what half the things that Okay, cool.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we're in the same boat because we felt.
Speaker 1: So comfortable with you being here. Yes, that's right, and
Speaker 1: we just knew that you'd crush it. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that you get what you were
Speaker 1: an amazing recipient of our fucking bullshit.
Speaker 2: No, that's interesting. I actually disagree, have to disagree. I
Speaker 2: actually think you know, Devin, you're sitting there sort of
Speaker 2: like cool, guy, there's like a sort of cool guy energy.
Speaker 2: You're kind of like looking at us, like, what the
Speaker 2: hell are these guys talking about? Like even when Sam
Speaker 2: did the South Park thing, you're not you know, you're
Speaker 2: not showing the vulnerability of attempting to say k kids.
Speaker 2: You're sort of just like removed. You're being removed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and and then it makes us feel exposed and naked.
Speaker 1: I see wow.
Speaker 2: And so I would say, however, I think you did
Speaker 2: pretty good. So I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: He deserves to be rewarded for playing and winning a
Speaker 1: power game? Did he? Oh? I see?
Speaker 2: Okay? Right right, so you humulate us on our own show,
Speaker 2: and that is when it is okay. So I guess
Speaker 2: I would say, I would say it's a solid eight seventy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And that's my final answer. So the average of that
Speaker 2: is around is nine thirty something like that. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: I'm happy with that. So that's pretty good. That's an
Speaker 2: as that's high a minus. Actually better than I did
Speaker 2: in school normally. I don't believe that. Were you not
Speaker 2: a good student.
Speaker 3: I was a decent I just I didn't care that much.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys related, well, I Tay,
Speaker 4: I take you for being a really good student.
Speaker 3: You do seem like you made really good grades. Sam,
Speaker 3: I was a good student.
Speaker 2: Sam was a good student.
Speaker 3: I could see. I see it for you guys.
Speaker 2: You remember one time we can take this out if
Speaker 2: it's easy to identify the person. One time Sam found
Speaker 2: out someone we know got seas in high school. And
Speaker 2: Sam was literally like, I mean, can you imagine getting seasons?
Speaker 1: Okay school, but it's like someone who's like whole thing
Speaker 1: is like super silly and goofy. And so when I
Speaker 1: found out that got season high school, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not like you're not coming with the form.
Speaker 2: You're like you're just dumb.
Speaker 1: You're just kind of a dumb person.
Speaker 2: No, this was I I remember that because and it
Speaker 2: really like brought this person down in your estimation, because
Speaker 2: correct me, because you were like because Sam thought, this
Speaker 2: is like this person's like Andy Kaufman esque, like so
Speaker 2: smart that he's like kind of his silliness and his
Speaker 2: whimsical humor is like making fun of the human condition.
Speaker 2: And then after Sam found out that this person got
Speaker 2: season high school, I was like, oh, wait, so you're
Speaker 2: just kind of like a dufis well, but.
Speaker 4: To be fair, I bet you Andy Kaufman got seasoned
Speaker 4: high school as well.
Speaker 2: So this is interesting, right. So there's two ways you
Speaker 2: can get season in high school. Either you're like not
Speaker 2: made for the American educational system and you're like such
Speaker 2: a genius that you get sees happens, or you're literally
Speaker 2: like smoking weed yeah, or you just like.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I got no.
Speaker 4: I think I probably got to see in uh calculus,
Speaker 4: I probably that was That was never the life for me,
Speaker 4: But I will say with me in high school, I
Speaker 4: was pretty much I was like a mid be to
Speaker 4: like a low a student. But it was genuinely like
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all well, y'all clearly didn't feel
Speaker 4: this way, but Junia was like I think I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be okay one way or another. I always I really
Speaker 4: just had a belief that I was like, I don't
Speaker 4: know that. I'm like, I'm not made for academia. I
Speaker 4: can make it through school. I like got through grad school,
Speaker 4: like I was like I can do all this stuff.
Speaker 4: But I was like, I just don't think that any
Speaker 4: of what I'm learning right now is like I don't
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna like.
Speaker 3: Really influence where I go. I felt the way once
Speaker 3: I was in college.
Speaker 1: Sure, in high school, I was like, the pressure's on,
Speaker 1: like you gotta get good grades to get into college whatever.
Speaker 3: I wish I was like that.
Speaker 1: But once I was in college, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is all a victory lab. Yeah, this was like what.
Speaker 2: Are we doing. I would even say, I'll.
Speaker 1: Learn enough of it.
Speaker 3: I just took my grade.
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm not going to stress myself.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll I'll do fine in life somehow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would even say I was at the best. I
Speaker 2: was at my best and most hard working and probably
Speaker 2: like legitimately sixth grade. And then after that, it's almost
Speaker 2: like you want to see how little you can do
Speaker 2: while maintaining the status of a good student. Like I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, so if I study a half
Speaker 2: hour less, I'm basically still getting an A or mine
Speaker 2: is like, and how how what is the equation where
Speaker 2: I can still basically have the reputation of being smart,
Speaker 2: the reputation of being a good student without going above him.
Speaker 2: And I would say I'm still doing that today, bless.
Speaker 1: Oh you're good at it. We always know. That's the
Speaker 1: difference is that he can perform like the intelligence like
Speaker 1: spot On, Like if asked to give a presentation about
Speaker 1: a topic doesn't know right now, he could do it
Speaker 1: and like I have to like sit with it for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: I can. Here's what I can do. I can.
Speaker 4: Actually, that's how we got into the Comedy Central program.
Speaker 3: Literally it's for people like us.
Speaker 2: I would say I can successfully bullshit the personality of
Speaker 2: someone who doesn't bullshit. I mean that, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 4: I mean, that's maybe one of the greatest gift, Yeah,
Speaker 4: anyone could be given.
Speaker 2: Like I can actually go enter a room and my
Speaker 2: entire performance is out of someone who's like, let's cut
Speaker 2: the crap here, but I'm unprepared and don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: That's incredible because I also, I think I'm pretty good
Speaker 4: at bullshitting. But I think I do think that people
Speaker 4: people see people would be like, oh, he's bullshitting. But
Speaker 4: I do think that I can like charm my way
Speaker 4: into them being like oh, but it's it's kind of
Speaker 4: sweet that he's like bullshading his way through this. But
Speaker 4: you're actually like you can act as if you really
Speaker 4: knew what we were talking.
Speaker 2: About my best you know, not always, but I do
Speaker 2: think when I'm really focused, I can.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think I think you can.
Speaker 2: Thinks that's like some like catch me if you can shit. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: but it's like never with things that matter, like sure,
Speaker 2: because I actually when I'm in the presence of someone
Speaker 2: who legitimately has more power than me, I crack under
Speaker 2: the pressure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It takes me like a long time of being
Speaker 1: like above someone, yeah intellectually to be like, oh I
Speaker 1: love you intellectually, Like it takes me like six months
Speaker 1: because then I'm like, because I'm like, what if what
Speaker 1: if the last three month was a fluke, like and
Speaker 1: they're actually still better?
Speaker 3: They catch up to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Should we get into our topic?
Speaker 1: I think we should, Devin, what topic have you brought
Speaker 1: for us today?
Speaker 4: The topic that I brought today was fantasy sports. That's
Speaker 4: my straight topic. Fantasy sports.
Speaker 3: Yes, one of the straightest things in the world to me.
Speaker 2: It is it is It's like sometimes there are these
Speaker 2: topics that are so straight that I almost don't know
Speaker 2: what to say about them because it's so self evident
Speaker 2: that it's like the like the only people who would
Speaker 2: play fantasy sports are a very specific kind of I
Speaker 2: would say, physically abusive.
Speaker 1: Well, I want you to fill us in on like
Speaker 1: your your history with fantasy sports.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I grew up in Texas. I went to
Speaker 4: the high school where they shot Friday Night Lights. And
Speaker 4: so it's like the TV show, not the movie. Okay,
Speaker 4: you did you ever see the TV show?
Speaker 2: You know? I didn't, But I know about coach Taylor. Taylor,
Speaker 2: and I know Connie Britton.
Speaker 4: Right, masterful performance. Yeah, beautiful exhibit of lovel on television.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is really nice, and I know that it
Speaker 2: means a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tried to watch it once.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just didn't click, didn't resonate with you.
Speaker 2: No, here's what I say about Friday Night Lights. Something
Speaker 2: extremely foreign to me as someone who doesn't have American
Speaker 2: parents is the idea that high school sports matter like
Speaker 2: it is so. And I'm not saying that in a
Speaker 2: I'm better than that way or anything like. Legitimately, it's
Speaker 2: like a cultural thing I don't get, Like, I cannot
Speaker 2: imagine my parents watching me play a sport in high
Speaker 2: school and being like this, he'd better do well here
Speaker 2: who it just because it was so much about academics
Speaker 2: and everything else was a distraction. I don't even think
Speaker 2: they knew that the college system, for example, rewarded athletics.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think they knew that I could have
Speaker 2: gotten a scholarship, let's say, if I was good at
Speaker 2: a sport. I just don't think that was like in
Speaker 2: their world, and so it just was something that was
Speaker 2: so foreign to me. I can remember when we lived
Speaker 2: in America, I was like on the swim team. I
Speaker 2: was not very good, and they would like come to
Speaker 2: the meets and other parents would be like trembling, like
Speaker 2: writing down their kids' stats, and my parents would just
Speaker 2: be fully reading a magazine like not, this is just
Speaker 2: like some little stuff. It's like a favor they're doing
Speaker 2: for me. So that is why I have never been
Speaker 2: able to like get on board with the college or
Speaker 2: high school sports. Movie. But you grew up in Texas,
Speaker 2: You went to the high school from Friday night lights.
Speaker 4: I did so all that to say, like I really
Speaker 4: grew up like seeped in Yeah, some of the straightest
Speaker 4: culture that's available to us, and I played high school football,
Speaker 4: and so like I think I just was setting myself
Speaker 4: on a path.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that I wanted to be an artist.
Speaker 4: I didn't know I wanted to be a creative and
Speaker 4: not because like it was something that was told to
Speaker 4: me was like inaccessible. It genuinely just like didn't occur
Speaker 4: to me because no one that I was around did
Speaker 4: that at all, and so like I was kind of
Speaker 4: just on a I was kind of just like, all right,
Speaker 4: I guess I'll like go to college and then just
Speaker 4: like get a cubicle job, and like that's what I did.
Speaker 1: Graduated from college.
Speaker 4: I like got this like job in the sale like
Speaker 4: generating leads for a sales department, and that was my
Speaker 4: first experience like doing fantasy football, and somehow I ended
Speaker 4: up in like six different fantasy football leagues when I
Speaker 4: was like working at this sales office.
Speaker 2: And so were they with your colleagues?
Speaker 3: They were with like colleagues.
Speaker 4: And then by that point, I no, I hadn't even
Speaker 4: started comedy yet, So yeah, I guess it just would
Speaker 4: have been like guys I went to high school in
Speaker 4: college with and then like in Austin in or like
Speaker 4: I went to college right outside of Austin, like probably
Speaker 4: like forty minutes outside of town. And yeah, My first
Speaker 4: job was at the sales place, which was in Austin,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I just was playing. I would be on
Speaker 4: like four different fantasy football teams, which is like genuinely
Speaker 4: something that you have to like, It's a thing you
Speaker 4: have to adjust all the time because like guys are
Speaker 4: constantly like you have to account for injuries and so
Speaker 4: like if if a guy gets hurt playing football, which
Speaker 4: happens in the real world, in the real world, huh
Speaker 4: do you guys? How what is your familiarity with phantasy?
Speaker 1: Relatively?
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it has been explained to me, both
Speaker 2: by guests on this podcast and by people in my
Speaker 2: real life, because.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of assuming that you're coming in with knowledge,
Speaker 3: but that might well.
Speaker 1: Players from any team, so there are but but you
Speaker 1: are part of when you're in a fantasy league.
Speaker 2: Yes, how many people are in the entire fantasy league depends,
Speaker 2: okay that that can vary. And you're making your own team.
Speaker 2: You're not like in charge of the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: You're not in charge of the Cowboys. You are just
Speaker 4: you are drafting individual players. Okay, you're in charge of
Speaker 4: the Georgi's I see, yes exactly, or it could literally yes,
Speaker 4: if they were doing comedians, they could be like it
Speaker 4: could be every comedian in New York City and it
Speaker 4: could be like, all right, there's literally like guys whose
Speaker 4: job it is to like do fantasy projections for like
Speaker 4: who's supposed to score the most points based on what
Speaker 4: they did last year? And the points are like, you know,
Speaker 4: be like how many touchdowns they catch? Every touchdowns worth
Speaker 4: this many points every time they like like catch a
Speaker 4: pass that's worth a certain amount.
Speaker 2: Of But then explain to me how the real world
Speaker 2: relates to the fantasyeries.
Speaker 1: It's what happens in the game. It happens in your fantasy.
Speaker 2: Even though the even though the people playing are in
Speaker 2: a different team.
Speaker 3: Well, but you can draft players from any team, yes,
Speaker 3: in the.
Speaker 4: Entire so it's like, yeah, you could get this guy
Speaker 4: from the Cowboys, this guy from the Giants, this guy
Speaker 4: from the Jets, and that constitutes your team, and their
Speaker 4: performance adds up to points, which is how you win
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 1: Like if you die in the game, you die in
Speaker 1: real life.
Speaker 2: No, no, totally, but I guess my question is more like,
Speaker 2: let's say one of your players in the real world, yes,
Speaker 2: wins against one of your other players.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. Wins and losses don't really matter. It's
Speaker 4: only statistics. Oh, it's only like rushing yards, passing yards,
Speaker 4: you know for basketball, three point shots made, like total
Speaker 4: points rebounds, like only counting statistics go towards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the actual wins and losses don't matter at all.
Speaker 2: So it's like fan fiction. Yeah, interesting, because it is.
Speaker 2: It's like Draco and Harry fucking is the same. You're
Speaker 2: having the characters.
Speaker 3: This is this is way cooler.
Speaker 1: Well, no, because because it's because it is.
Speaker 4: Like based on it's not fiction, like it is based
Speaker 4: on like the actual.
Speaker 2: No, no, totally. But then but then the teams are fiction, yes, industry,
Speaker 2: it's like the.
Speaker 3: Teams are all made up, the teams are all created.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Here's I think characters are real in the same way
Speaker 2: that Harry Potter is real.
Speaker 1: But I think that's where we isn't Harry Potter's not, No, Devin,
Speaker 1: He's real. It's like confusing because you're just picking people
Speaker 1: to monitor their stats, and like, I don't see the
Speaker 1: joy and.
Speaker 3: I would agree with you.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: This is my big question. I'm like, where does the creativity,
Speaker 2: Where does the narrative. Where does the narrative come in?
Speaker 4: I don't know that it exists, because that's why it's
Speaker 4: such a straight activity. Yes, there's no story, there's no whimsy.
Speaker 4: It is all like it's just numbers and like facts.
Speaker 1: There is no.
Speaker 4: The only and it's also like yeah you're yeah, it
Speaker 4: doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: It's also gambling like it is. It is literally like.
Speaker 3: This ties into gambling very very closely.
Speaker 2: It is tracking what has already happened and then guessing
Speaker 2: based on that what could happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have something to ask, go ahead, gambling related.
Speaker 1: Do you know any gay guys who are like addicted
Speaker 1: to gambling?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a really question, a really good.
Speaker 1: Question, because I've never met a single gay guy who's like,
Speaker 1: I actually had a gambling addiction, whereas like in the
Speaker 1: straight community, it's like seems relatively normal.
Speaker 3: I've seen people like run into real issues.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, where I like, especially now that it's like
Speaker 4: now that you can just do it on your phone
Speaker 4: and now that it's like I know several people who
Speaker 4: I've seen like get seriously addicted to gambling.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Quite a few comedians actually, really, oh, this
Speaker 1: is very common. I was.
Speaker 4: I won't say his name, but I went to a
Speaker 4: World Series game with someone that I'm a friend I'm
Speaker 4: friends with, and he was betting on balls and strikes.
Speaker 3: He was literally betting like.
Speaker 4: Pitch by pitch, I think this pitch will be a
Speaker 4: ball of this picture like real like crackhead behavior. It's
Speaker 4: really it's really concerning. I know a lot of guys
Speaker 4: who are addicted to gambling. That's big into straight cold Damn,
Speaker 4: that's something we could have talked.
Speaker 2: No, that's like I'm a rewards gambling and this is
Speaker 2: really like I'm trying to think, like what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think, just thinking just in broad stereotypes, what kind
Speaker 2: of gay guy would get into gambling?
Speaker 1: I and I really really because like I remember like
Speaker 1: going to a casino for the first time and being like, okay,
Speaker 1: like maybe this will hit. Like I remember when I
Speaker 1: had my first two beers. I was like, oh this
Speaker 1: is clicking. I see my people lose their lives to this.
Speaker 2: Like I'm all in, Okay, well, I here's what I'm picturing.
Speaker 1: The I was like, I feel nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm so bored.
Speaker 1: I need to get out of here.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm picturing. Gay guy. Uh, really intense facelift,
Speaker 2: really intense hairline, hair plugs, kind of a leather blazer
Speaker 2: in a casino. He's doing just the slots, the slots, sure,
Speaker 2: and he's drinking a you know, bourbon Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 3: You think this is this is Southern man.
Speaker 2: I would say Southern. Yeah, I was at saying New Orleans,
Speaker 2: but that's not quite it. I could see him being Southern.
Speaker 2: I could also see it being more of a what's
Speaker 2: the New Jersey? Oh my god, what's in New Jersey?
Speaker 2: Atlantic City? More of an Atlantic City type, someone from
Speaker 2: like a smaller town in New Jersey or Pennsylvania or
Speaker 2: something like that. Really, he's like the the one gig
Speaker 2: guy in the town, and then his.
Speaker 3: In the town in the way that I'm imagining it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. And he's always wearing a fun shirt, yes,
Speaker 2: fun floral shirt. But then his terry solo weekend is
Speaker 2: like going to Atlantic City and hitting the slots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've clated a picture on picture.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've definitely made a narrative. But I'm still
Speaker 1: unclear on whether he's realm hmm.
Speaker 2: Like we've I've never known him, like Harry suddenly on
Speaker 2: his side, Like.
Speaker 4: I'm just like I could I could see this made existing,
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, I've never come across him in my
Speaker 4: I've never seen him in my world.
Speaker 1: I think like he needs his own a twenty four movie,
Speaker 1: Like I think this really could well, it's very.
Speaker 2: Calling Baker a gay guy with a with a leather
Speaker 2: a burgundy leather blazer.
Speaker 1: Actually not a twenty four Neon. Oh it needs to
Speaker 1: be gone.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and get it on.
Speaker 2: One of the running jokes in this pod that no
Speaker 2: one cares about us being like, no, that's not a
Speaker 2: twenty four that's me.
Speaker 1: That's very funny.
Speaker 4: Have you have you have you created a delineation as
Speaker 4: to what well, I just think people people use. First
Speaker 4: of all, I just want to say it to all
Speaker 4: our ends antwenty four. We support you and we literally
Speaker 4: love your work project and we would love to be
Speaker 4: part of your work. But I think it started when
Speaker 4: you know, our friend Theta's movie Stress Positions was Neon,
Speaker 4: and Neon has also won the Palm Door of the
Speaker 4: last like eight years, so it sort of is the
Speaker 4: course was that a Town was a was a Titan movie?
Speaker 4: Me and my girlfriend? That is one of our favorite
Speaker 4: things to Oh my god, you and this is the
Speaker 4: Comedy Central Creators.
Speaker 2: That was like, that was that was art school for
Speaker 2: commed Comedy Central Creators program.
Speaker 1: Oh God, so.
Speaker 2: You said something very interesting when we were off Mike,
Speaker 2: which is at some point you had the realization that
Speaker 2: you don't have to participate in fantasy sports.
Speaker 4: It was really like it was like it was like
Speaker 4: God spoke to me. It was truly. I was because
Speaker 4: I at this point I had moved on, I was
Speaker 4: at a different job. I was truly in maybe three
Speaker 4: different fantasy football leagues, and I was like it was
Speaker 4: taking up so much of my time where it's like, again,
Speaker 4: like these guys are getting injured all the time. If
Speaker 4: a guy gets injured and you don't replace him on
Speaker 4: your team, then that's just zero points, like the afters
Speaker 4: once his team plays, if you've missed inserting him or
Speaker 4: like removing him from your lineup, that's all of you're
Speaker 4: losing all those points.
Speaker 1: So I was stuff like that was happening to me.
Speaker 4: I was having to keep up with like different blogs
Speaker 4: and be like, Oh, this guy's injured. Oh I need
Speaker 4: to pick up this other wide receiver from this team. Oh,
Speaker 4: I got to try to orches straight to trade. There's
Speaker 4: so many different levers that I was pulling that. Like genuinely,
Speaker 4: I was like in the bathroom, like pissed off about
Speaker 4: the fact that I was I was also losing. I
Speaker 4: was losing all the time, and I was thinking about
Speaker 4: it constantly. And one day I was like, Oh, what
Speaker 4: if I just didn't do this? And I really can't
Speaker 4: stress enough how straight of a culture that I like
Speaker 4: grew up with that Like it seemed really novel to
Speaker 4: me that I like didn't have to participate. And ever
Speaker 4: since then, that was probably twenty sixteen or something when.
Speaker 2: Trump was elected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when Trump was that was a turning point. I
Speaker 4: watched I watched an episode of a Chef's Chef's Table.
Speaker 4: I watched an episode of Chef's Table about Kwame, the
Speaker 4: Tatiana guy, and who, like, I know, shout out to
Speaker 4: Kwame if you're okay, brag whatever, But like it was
Speaker 4: basically he was talking about like he was selling drugs
Speaker 4: and he basically saw the way that the story is
Speaker 4: told is he was selling drugs and he saw Barack
Speaker 4: Obama get elected and he was like, I'm putting this
Speaker 4: ship behind me.
Speaker 3: It's time to go buy some cilantro.
Speaker 2: Like that was you with Trump and that was that
Speaker 2: was me with.
Speaker 3: Trump and fantasy.
Speaker 4: I saw him get elected and I said, I need
Speaker 4: to distance myself from this type of culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, do you feel a sort of an
Speaker 1: ostracization after being.
Speaker 4: Not at all, especially not since moving to New York City?
Speaker 4: All my like New York City, even my like New
Speaker 4: York City straight friends are always like watching like art
Speaker 4: house Japanese films, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's like, I know, yeah, they should.
Speaker 2: Do letterbox fantasy football where you're like collecting directors and
Speaker 2: you know, little known character actors from the eighties.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, that's probably coming, you know what. It's like, someone's
Speaker 4: probably trying to configure something like that right now.
Speaker 1: But the armists just kind of injured.
Speaker 4: If she gets hurt, if she gets hurt in the movie,
Speaker 4: then she gets Yeah.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it might be something even darker, which is like
Speaker 2: sort of like straight guys that like listen to the
Speaker 2: Town podcast and read Hollywood Reporter and like read Variety
Speaker 2: doing fantasy football but for studios, and they're.
Speaker 1: Like literally what like agents and managers do for there
Speaker 1: it's true clients genuinely damn. They just get like real
Speaker 1: money when it works out, when it hits.
Speaker 2: I do think what you're saying about, like compulsory participation
Speaker 2: is a big part of straight culture, and I actually
Speaker 2: think that's something that is very alienating if you are
Speaker 2: like growing up and you feel different. It's like the
Speaker 2: idea that I could leave the soccer team is so
Speaker 2: it's like such a statement. It's basically like saying I
Speaker 2: am gay, and it's like, I guess what it is
Speaker 2: is not doing something feels like more of a statement
Speaker 2: than doing it, when in fact it should be the
Speaker 2: other way around. It should everything should be opt in.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think on like it's sometimes it's easier
Speaker 1: to just be gay because you're like I'm not doing
Speaker 1: that because I'm gay, Like where you're like one hundred
Speaker 1: percent agree. Oh god. I when I was a mover,
Speaker 1: the guys I would work with would get so like
Speaker 1: there was one air in particular who was like I
Speaker 1: watched this movie go from like cheery one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent disagree. Sorry, I'm holding for anyone watching, I'm
Speaker 2: holding a.
Speaker 1: Hard h I watched this I watched this man's mood
Speaker 1: change like from happy to sad based on fantasy football
Speaker 1: all over.
Speaker 3: That's what this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: And he was like and not like oh I'm sad,
Speaker 1: like don't but don't worry about me, like like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna jump in around of a car like he was
Speaker 1: like snap, he was like snipping at us.
Speaker 2: He was that's the gambling of it all like that,
Speaker 2: because that is gambler behavior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there is money.
Speaker 4: There's usually there's a pot at the end, like everybody
Speaker 4: like collects on whatever. Usually it's like I don't know,
Speaker 4: a thousand bucks or something like that.
Speaker 1: But it's not nothing. It's not nothing. It's not nothing.
Speaker 4: But like, yeah, there really was such a culture of
Speaker 4: like this is just what every single man around you
Speaker 4: was doing that Like once, I've I've never felt more
Speaker 4: free than when I decided to stop doing it. And
Speaker 4: still to this day, every year people still tell they're like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: we got an extra spot in the league.
Speaker 1: Would you like no, Yeah, no, I wouldn't keep that
Speaker 1: away from me. Not while Angelica is open.
Speaker 4: Exact, I gotta go watch Titan, I gotta go watch
Speaker 4: an afternoon show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in thirty five millimeters, it's in.
Speaker 2: Thirty five millimeare it's just you? And like reach out?
Speaker 1: If you ever hear of metrograph closing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever quit something way after you wanted to? Like,
Speaker 2: have you ever quit something and have such and had
Speaker 2: such a sense of relief? I'm trying to think I
Speaker 2: have one, you have one?
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: This is when I was like a kid. It was
Speaker 2: just like compulsory that you have to like play an instrument,
Speaker 2: and of course what I if I had had it
Speaker 2: my way, I would have played a cool instrument like guitar,
Speaker 2: but that was just like not part of the narrative
Speaker 2: that I was part of. So what did you play?
Speaker 2: And so I had to play like piano? But I
Speaker 2: didn't practice literally at all, And so I would have
Speaker 2: to just once a week go into this room at
Speaker 2: this like dingy music school and be berated by this
Speaker 2: guy with a mustache that was like so once again
Speaker 2: you're not practicing. And I just did that for literally
Speaker 2: like five years, and then at some point I was
Speaker 2: like I don't want to do this anymore. My friends like,
Speaker 2: oh great, like we don't want to pay for it.
Speaker 1: I had almost the opposite where like like I was
Speaker 1: on swim team since like five years old. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I hated it. I was bad at it. I like,
Speaker 1: like just hated getting in the water, like it's hill.
Speaker 3: It's one of the big parts of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the water's always cold. I'm not the water's always cold,
Speaker 1: like your hair is fried, your skin is dry. Like
Speaker 1: I was like, this fucking sucks. And then when I
Speaker 1: was like fifteen, one day I was like, wait, I'm
Speaker 1: really good at swimming, Like now I like it. But
Speaker 1: it took ten years.
Speaker 3: Oh and uh so.
Speaker 1: I almost learned the opposite lesson of like, just.
Speaker 4: Don't stick for a decade, said, and then you'll like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I'm like, god, those are my fondest memories. Yeah, fascinating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird.
Speaker 4: Hey, so if you don't like something right now and
Speaker 4: you're listening to this podcast, do it for a long time.
Speaker 4: Continue on that path for quite some time, and you'll
Speaker 4: find it.
Speaker 2: It's like us with the podcasting. Okay, do you feel
Speaker 2: like for me, the most compelling part about sports is
Speaker 2: like the personal stories of the athletes, Like I you know,
Speaker 2: one of the reasons I like tennis is because it's
Speaker 2: individual athletes and it's like I'm crying if Coco Goth
Speaker 2: is winning. Like that is different than feeling like an
Speaker 2: allegiance to the Yankees or something.
Speaker 1: But I feel like.
Speaker 2: What sort of joyless about fantasy football is just like
Speaker 2: everyone is just a collection of stats, Like would you
Speaker 2: ever when you're in a in a league? I guess
Speaker 2: my question is like, would you ever choose someone for
Speaker 2: non numbers reasons, like because you really like you think
Speaker 2: they have like an inspirational story even if they're not
Speaker 2: doing well.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, not an inspirational story alone. I
Speaker 4: feel like people do sometimes make decisions over there, like
Speaker 4: because of their allegiances. Okay, like that, like you know
Speaker 4: what if like I am a Yankees fan, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: take this one guy even if he's not the best guy,
Speaker 4: just because I want.
Speaker 3: A guy from the Yankees to be I think that happens.
Speaker 4: Ok, But it's not like, oh, this this man's doing
Speaker 4: really impressive work in the community.
Speaker 3: Or like like I don't know, yeah exactly what I like.
Speaker 3: I like the songs that.
Speaker 2: He makes fashion sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not. It's not that I wish it could be.
Speaker 2: But that's I think that's where the game is straight.
Speaker 1: Okay, theory based on this Yeah tennis okay, Yeah, football straight, incredibly,
Speaker 1: basketball bisexual. There's a lot of numbers and stats, but
Speaker 1: there's also a lot of personalities in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, I also think that, Like I also think that football,
Speaker 4: but genuine legitimately because of the helmets, becomes so much
Speaker 4: more impersonal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every other sport. It's like, yeah, you're just see
Speaker 2: that is such a good point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like so, and I think the the NFL just
Speaker 4: got it. Wow man, you know, you know, I I
Speaker 4: think that I moved to New York City and I
Speaker 4: think that I'm removed from this version of myself. And
Speaker 4: then I get on Mike and I start talking. I'm
Speaker 4: like that still still really in there. I guess I
Speaker 4: still do think about this stuff. But I feel like
Speaker 4: the NFL as an organization, is also trying to promote
Speaker 4: their league, whereas like the NBA is trying to promote
Speaker 4: like look at these guys of the week. The NFL
Speaker 4: is trying to be like, we just want you watching
Speaker 4: the games, and we want you caring about the teams.
Speaker 4: The NBA and certainly tennis is being like, look at
Speaker 4: our personalities, Yes, look at these like cool, Look at
Speaker 4: this guy, he's got all these cool pants that he wears.
Speaker 1: Look at it.
Speaker 3: Watch them walk down the runway, not the runway, the
Speaker 3: tunnel they've got, I mean the tunnel. Tunnel fashion is crazy.
Speaker 2: And with the w NBA too, now that they're getting
Speaker 2: how the girls are getting in one, the actuals are
Speaker 2: getting fits off. So here's a question where does baseball
Speaker 2: fit in? Because I also do feel like baseball is
Speaker 2: personality driven, but also.
Speaker 4: Baseball, football and similar buckets, similar both I would say,
Speaker 4: incredibly straight sports the guy. It's also like there's like
Speaker 4: a there's a flamboyance in basketball. There's like a like,
Speaker 4: you know what style, there's a style, there's like a
Speaker 4: flare that I don't think that I think is certainly
Speaker 4: not embraced in basketball or I'm sorry, in baseball or football.
Speaker 3: I think any guys that like have.
Speaker 4: Flair, they're trying to like turn that flare down, They're
Speaker 4: trying to like move away, especially in baseball. Baseball is
Speaker 4: maybe the straightest sport of them all.
Speaker 1: Baseball is a weird one and and and partially it
Speaker 1: is because of their thick, juicy asses where it's like,
Speaker 1: what is going on?
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just that, it's also.
Speaker 4: We've also never had a baseball player come out, not one, not,
Speaker 4: I mean I believe, not that I know.
Speaker 1: There's been.
Speaker 4: There's been a good handful of football players that have
Speaker 4: come out. There's been a couple of basketball players. Although
Speaker 4: I don't know these guys. I'm like, some of these guys,
Speaker 4: come just be yourself that play my brother in Christ,
Speaker 4: be yourself. Did you see that play about the gay
Speaker 4: baseball player? I did not see it, but you williams it.
Speaker 4: I with my mom full nudity.
Speaker 2: Right, not only full nudity, but someone told me that
Speaker 2: they like they all take my agra, you know, like
Speaker 2: I seen the picks.
Speaker 4: That pick.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's just is not what a soft dick looks like.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean it is like you don't want to be
Speaker 2: hard on stage. I'm telling you, it is crazy interesting.
Speaker 2: So my mom literally like when he when he withs
Speaker 2: it out, my mom like trying to me. I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, please look ahead, please look ahead. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I bring it up just because I was trying to
Speaker 2: remember if that's based on a true story.
Speaker 3: Is it about a coming out story in baseball?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's what it is and it's like he
Speaker 2: in fact not a I think what happens is either
Speaker 2: he's out it or he comes out, and then it's
Speaker 2: about like the fallout from that. And the reason the
Speaker 2: nudity is like quote unquote necessary is because it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's it like now in the locker rooms and all
Speaker 2: these guys know how he's it's how he sees it.
Speaker 2: I will say interesting, like meta texturally, it's interesting because
Speaker 2: the gay character has the big dick, Like you are
Speaker 2: seeing all of them and he has the biggest dick
Speaker 2: and and but it's unclear if that's something you should
Speaker 2: be like noticing or not.
Speaker 3: Also, do you think that was part of the casting decision?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you think he was like.
Speaker 2: No, but he's also the biggest star, like he's a
Speaker 2: TV star wars the other ones are actually anyway, whatever,
Speaker 2: I know, let's.
Speaker 1: Get into the like let's talk about who's.
Speaker 2: The most anyway. At my point, I I but yes,
Speaker 2: I agree that baseball. Baseball is very straight and to
Speaker 2: your point, it has all these gay elements, but they
Speaker 2: almost a juicy as is be The costuming is so
Speaker 2: like circusy well, and they're.
Speaker 1: All just like chill guys.
Speaker 2: And they're all chill guys. They're mostly like sitting around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something very kind of swinging is very as much
Speaker 2: gayer than the mustache culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot of mustache is happening, George Off. Mike,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that sometimes you wish you could opt out
Speaker 1: of the obligatory drag race.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I actually, well, I was just trying to
Speaker 2: relate to you know, obviously it's being so different from us.
Speaker 1: Mike's are on, You're you don't believe this.
Speaker 2: Devin was saying, you know, he felt so liberated when
Speaker 2: he opted out of Fantasy sports. I was like, what
Speaker 2: are gay equivalents? Like, I think for many people, not
Speaker 2: for me, But let's say I was like a super
Speaker 2: roided out Jim Gay. I think for that person, maybe
Speaker 2: the equivalent would be like, oh my god, I could
Speaker 2: just not do this to my body. Like I could
Speaker 2: just wake up one day and like not be counting
Speaker 2: macros tracking macros where it's like counting tracking my macros
Speaker 2: all day long, Like I don't I don't need to
Speaker 2: like be you know, intermittent fasting. I could just literally
Speaker 2: like go with my body. Yeah, And I think for me,
Speaker 2: I was saying the equivalent of that. When drag race
Speaker 2: is bad, which currently I'm actually an okay place with it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, I wish I could stop watching this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I I do something to dealing with drag
Speaker 1: race until I like, do you ever feel like when
Speaker 1: you meet a new straight guy, you are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't talk to you in the same way because
Speaker 1: when I'm when I meet like a gay guy, like
Speaker 1: just at random, I'm sort of like, well, at least
Speaker 1: I can talk to you about drag race.
Speaker 4: Well, here's what I'll say to that is like, I
Speaker 4: think I still do follow sports. I am just not
Speaker 4: participating in the fantasy element of them. And so like
Speaker 4: that is a shorthand that is like, that is a
Speaker 4: thing that I'm always really you could meet you can
Speaker 4: meet a man that you have nothing else in common
Speaker 4: with and that you don't even like, but you can
Speaker 4: at least be like so the Knicks, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 2: Talk to them about Addison Ray. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 4: Wait, okay, and I'm sorry for how Addison Ray is she? Like,
Speaker 4: is she brand new? Is she one of those girls?
Speaker 4: From I because she really feels like she came from
Speaker 4: absolute nowhere. And I'm realizing now that I thought she
Speaker 4: was one of the Demilio sisters.
Speaker 1: She's close.
Speaker 3: She was one of those TikTok dance girls.
Speaker 4: She was a TikTok cool cool, Okay, So then I
Speaker 4: think I am in the right track with the way
Speaker 4: that I'm thinking about her.
Speaker 2: What happened is she was a TikTok dance girl. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: keep in mind, she was like sixteen at the time, right, right, right,
Speaker 2: she was a TikTok dance girl, got way way big,
Speaker 2: super fast during the pandemic.
Speaker 3: Doing those doing dances no one's ever seen before.
Speaker 2: Jam just yes, exactly, like Jimmy Fallon had her on
Speaker 2: and she was like, okay, and this one.
Speaker 4: Is it's it's it is crazy because there are literally
Speaker 4: there's so many on the internet. You you find so
Speaker 4: many like uber talented dancers who are doing all this
Speaker 4: insane ship and the fact that it's just these like
Speaker 4: white girls going.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 4: I just if I was a real dancer, I can
Speaker 4: only imagine how that And then it's like these and
Speaker 4: now they're becoming our like next biggest pop stars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, god, bless, I haven't listened to music.
Speaker 2: Maybe the musu Well, she is a fourth Mexican, so maybe,
Speaker 2: Oh my.
Speaker 4: God, I didn't realize that I was tearing down a
Speaker 4: fellow personal foth Mexican.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'd like to take that back.
Speaker 1: Where's my camera?
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry to my Latina queen. I would like
Speaker 4: to apologize for for for shaming you. I didn't realize
Speaker 4: that you were with the community.
Speaker 1: That's what she's been on a journey because she's a
Speaker 1: TikTok dance girl. Then she put off this EP that
Speaker 1: was like, had like one to two songs that you
Speaker 1: were like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: One of them was produced by Charli XCX, like it
Speaker 2: was that.
Speaker 1: And so it's like, wait, is their taste here? What's
Speaker 1: going on? And it became like sort of an ironic okay,
Speaker 1: guys would put it on, and then the new songs,
Speaker 1: people are like hold on, yeah.
Speaker 4: Now it feels like it's transforming into people being like
Speaker 4: she's legitimately good.
Speaker 2: She's also working with it seems like she has good
Speaker 2: taste because she's choosing the right people to work with. Musically,
Speaker 2: she's going in a sort of like nineties Madonna, Janet,
Speaker 2: Shade direct everyone's doing, and she's doing am I I'm
Speaker 2: being pretty generous, but I would never.
Speaker 4: Like that's I mean, if she's got a little that
Speaker 4: in there, I'm I'll check out a track or two.
Speaker 3: It sounds like it's not really sounds like that's not right.
Speaker 2: She is, like I said, she's the last talented as shadday.
Speaker 4: That's that's such a specific one because it's like I've
Speaker 4: definitely seen girls in pop music who are doing Janet
Speaker 4: Jackson stuff, and there's so many people are doing Madonna stuff.
Speaker 4: I cannot okay, Shad is doing such a specific I've never.
Speaker 1: Heard anyone who I'm like they're doing.
Speaker 2: And and and in my defense, because people are gonna
Speaker 2: really come for me, yeah, you are yourself up. And
Speaker 2: Shade had this sort of more electronic like if you
Speaker 2: listen to Love Deluxe, it's more like electronic almost like
Speaker 2: Madonna Ray of Light type sound. That's more what I
Speaker 2: was referencing. She's not doing like smooth up right yeah anyway,
Speaker 2: So and then she's also visually working with a lot
Speaker 2: of like the very cool Fashionee interview magazine people, and
Speaker 2: so suddenly she goes from TikTok teen to you know Britney.
Speaker 2: Brittany does answer your question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, I did.
Speaker 4: I did learn something because I do think I think
Speaker 4: the version of her that I was thinking about is
Speaker 4: not that far off from who she actually is. But
Speaker 4: it sounds like she's like just got a little more
Speaker 4: taste than yes, the rest of the like TikTok dance girl.
Speaker 2: I really think it's a similar narrative to Brittany. Like,
Speaker 2: I think she's both girl next door but also like
Speaker 2: has taste and works with the right people.
Speaker 1: She definitely knows who to work with, and that's the
Speaker 1: best thing you can have these days.
Speaker 2: Damn, you really brought a fan fantasy football in as
Speaker 2: your topic and we made you talk about Addison ray No,
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 1: Awesome, full circle. We kind of needed that. We like
Speaker 1: talked about sports for so long, Yeah, really needed.
Speaker 4: It was too much, And honestly, I had more fun
Speaker 4: talking about the pop girl than I did about cause
Speaker 4: because again, it's like it is, I'm straight and that
Speaker 4: is part of our culture, but it is an element
Speaker 4: that I hate.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, get that away from me.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're a strayman, Please don't talk
Speaker 4: to me about that, don't talk about fantasy football teams.
Speaker 4: It's is it like that for you guys in drag Race?
Speaker 4: Does it occupy that same space where you're like or
Speaker 4: it's like enough of this, Okay.
Speaker 2: Something that annoys me is when people get overly into
Speaker 2: Oscars stuff. And I'm guilty of it. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I'm not, but like when people when it's literally like
Speaker 2: we're currently what June, when it's June and someone is
Speaker 2: talking to you about who they think is going to
Speaker 2: be nominated for Best Actress based on like the blogs
Speaker 2: are reading about what's coming out of can and I like.
Speaker 4: About a movie that's not going to be available to
Speaker 4: the publican exactly for four months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, actually there's a pretty big similarity because they're
Speaker 2: talking about movies they literally haven't seen stats and it's
Speaker 2: just stats and it's you're talking. You're saying like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be Amy Adams's year, This is going
Speaker 2: to be Glenn Close's year, if only.
Speaker 3: For her performance for her Deliverance.
Speaker 2: For Deliverance, yes, was that?
Speaker 3: Is that what that movie was called?
Speaker 1: The horror movie?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know where she like says the N word she.
Speaker 3: Doesn't, but she might as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought that was the controversy. Does she I
Speaker 2: think she might?
Speaker 1: She might? She might? I did.
Speaker 3: I did watch the film. I'm like, did she say it?
Speaker 1: She certainly?
Speaker 3: Her essence feels like she. It feels like she would.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't watch it, but the little clips that's
Speaker 1: online were pretty fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think that's my version of that.
Speaker 4: I totally get that, and that is I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm in that world as well. I don't want to
Speaker 4: I want to talk about what came out of the
Speaker 4: fucking film festival circuit.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of a film festival circuit. Yeah, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: just wake me up when I can see the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's guess what. Like, I'm not part of that.
Speaker 2: I'm not at can. I think everyone there should have
Speaker 2: a great time, and they should at the after parties,
Speaker 2: they should be talking about what an amazing performance Julie
Speaker 2: Delpi gave. But I'm actually in Brooklyn doing freelance work.
Speaker 1: I've also been burned so many times where people are like,
Speaker 1: this is the greatest film I've ever seen. Eight months
Speaker 1: later I'm allowed to see it, and I'm like flop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, conversation. Oh we got a thirty minute standing over.
Speaker 4: That's that's what it's like. It's also like, no, it
Speaker 4: didn't know it. It's like nothing, I've never have you
Speaker 4: ever wanted to stand up and clap after? I mean
Speaker 4: maybe a handful of films have made you. And but
Speaker 4: then even when you feel like it's also period, its
Speaker 4: eye pressure. You're happens in New York theater. Now everything
Speaker 4: is getting a standing ovation, so you just know the
Speaker 4: part of the play being overs that you have to
Speaker 4: stand up even if.
Speaker 2: You hated it.
Speaker 1: Right well, it's like encores.
Speaker 2: It's like on course, oh you know what else?
Speaker 3: I don't care for that either.
Speaker 1: I don't care for it. I don't care for the encore.
Speaker 4: I'm like it because there's no true encorese if it's
Speaker 4: like if you want to part of set life, just
Speaker 4: do your whole fucking just just do to set and
Speaker 4: then leave. I don't like this fake and then we
Speaker 4: all gotta be like and then I come back the
Speaker 4: way you.
Speaker 2: Can literally look up the set list, you know what's
Speaker 2: coming and then the encore, and there is the same
Speaker 2: same ship.
Speaker 4: With the see it's all coming together because that's The
Speaker 4: straight culture version of that is like post credit scenes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's the and then people know to wait
Speaker 2: for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just like okay, so this it's not
Speaker 4: like a special treat. It's just like, well, this is
Speaker 4: just what you drew into the playbook.
Speaker 1: There used to be magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally you can still.
Speaker 3: Find the magic at the AMC theaters. That's what I've heard.
Speaker 2: That's right by its kind of award when nic who
Speaker 2: went for the hours? So if you uh, the flip
Speaker 2: side of of stant in ovations is when you hear
Speaker 2: how many people walked out of something at a music
Speaker 2: as at a film festival like Tatan is a great example.
Speaker 2: Like I'm there were articles that are like the most
Speaker 2: walkouts of any film since two thousand and one, which.
Speaker 3: Even I bet you the director.
Speaker 4: I don't know who the director of Titan was, but
Speaker 4: I guarantee you that director would be.
Speaker 3: Like fair, Yeah, totally fair. The lady's fucking the car.
Speaker 2: I struggled with Titan, of course. Of course I'll be
Speaker 2: the first to say it.
Speaker 1: Even as the director was making it, they had to
Speaker 1: have been like, well, this, this can't be this is
Speaker 1: for some people. This is literally one of those movies.
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, this movie will change the way you
Speaker 1: think about cinema and people people you respect. Yes, you know what,
Speaker 1: people who.
Speaker 2: Like always sit together?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Max, I was like everyone was screaming at me
Speaker 1: about it, and I went and I was like, all right, yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess keep French people weird.
Speaker 4: Like which more call is? Also there's a French director
Speaker 4: to right the margaret quality and Demi Moore that's a French.
Speaker 1: Lady as well.
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not even gonna try it.
Speaker 1: That's sort of an m K situation. Should we do
Speaker 1: our final set? Wait?
Speaker 2: I do want you to promote?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Your podcast?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, of course, yes, I'm I've got a podcast.
Speaker 4: It's called My Favorite Lyrics. We come on and we
Speaker 4: genuinely just every guest brings a song and then we
Speaker 4: kind of do like a lyrical analysis of the song.
Speaker 3: That is such a good idea, make some little jokes
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: What if you were to be a guest on your
Speaker 2: own podcast today, what song would you bring in?
Speaker 3: I that's a great question.
Speaker 4: I know what artists I would probably want to talk about,
Speaker 4: and that is that's Big Sean.
Speaker 3: Okay, a big Sean of ass fame.
Speaker 2: We're familiar, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just think he did. I don't know how familiar
Speaker 3: you guys are with his discography.
Speaker 1: The hits.
Speaker 2: I know the hits, yeah, because they're like, we're the
Speaker 2: exact great age for.
Speaker 1: The hits to have been.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think he was.
Speaker 4: His early part of his career was all built off
Speaker 4: like doing like straight up like like set up punchline
Speaker 4: jokes or like set up punchline raps. So man, I
Speaker 4: wish I could, like I wish I was. I had
Speaker 4: more like at hand to like bring but like an
Speaker 4: example would be like I don't like the way that
Speaker 4: you sound headphones he was doing, which Nicki minajah, they were.
Speaker 4: They were very much peers. They were doing that kind
Speaker 4: of thing at the exact same time. And Nicki Minaj
Speaker 4: would also be I'd love to do a Nicky episode.
Speaker 4: She's got I mean, she's got some absolute class. Now
Speaker 4: you're not there, there it is, and that Yes, Big
Speaker 4: Sean was doing that exact same rep style, so I'd
Speaker 4: love to get into him and.
Speaker 1: Nick Ludacris started doing that for a second, and he
Speaker 1: had that one song where he's like blowing up balloon.
Speaker 1: Oh what song was that is that the Austin Bowers
Speaker 1: one or like there were like a few songs that
Speaker 1: were like really flop right.
Speaker 4: This was a style that Big Sean claims to have started.
Speaker 4: Really this is something that he claims to have popularized.
Speaker 2: And yeah, Nicki Minaj, I really with Nicki Mina because
Speaker 2: I love you know what my speaking of Ludacrous. My
Speaker 2: first ever song on my iPod was What's your Fantasy?
Speaker 1: Wow, there was just freaky little guy and I was like,
Speaker 1: well I had ten I probably probably.
Speaker 2: A little older, but I was like someone on my
Speaker 2: school bus was singing and I was like that is
Speaker 2: so funny, like Georgia Dome, like that is so you're
Speaker 2: that is so funny. And then I had to have
Speaker 2: it on my iPod and then I think I was
Speaker 2: buying legally at the time, so I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I have one dollar, I'm buying that. And then there
Speaker 2: was like a full week where I just had that.
Speaker 2: So I had my iPod with me and I was
Speaker 2: only listening to about your Fantasy that song.
Speaker 1: Like as a child, I was like, no, this is really.
Speaker 2: Not oh, I have such a me like you thought
Speaker 2: it was too, like like this is you're such a
Speaker 2: goody two shoes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a good boy. Whoa Was your family
Speaker 1: really Christian? No? They were just like they were like
Speaker 1: very not not classically waspy, not like Connecticut waspy, but
Speaker 1: they were like midwestern waspy.
Speaker 2: Like it was so chill, like your mom is so like.
Speaker 1: It comes like sex. Oh, it's really like, we.
Speaker 2: Don't like that. I have a memory of buying the
Speaker 2: Ludicrous album Chicken and Beer at sam Goode or whatever,
Speaker 2: and because it had a parental advisory thing, they had
Speaker 2: to call my mom in and she was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know who this artist is, Like what's the deal,
Speaker 2: Like why am I Why don't you need my permission?
Speaker 2: And the guy at the kind of was like, I
Speaker 2: mean I don't know. It's can't be that bad. It's
Speaker 2: about chicken and beer. And she was like, all right,
Speaker 2: then let me buy it.
Speaker 4: Nasty lyrics on there, and they really were Did your
Speaker 4: parents care about that kind of thing?
Speaker 1: Did they care about what you were?
Speaker 2: No? I mean personally with music, they did not care
Speaker 2: at all. I would say with film they did, Like
Speaker 2: if someone was rated are and I was like nine,
Speaker 2: I don't think they would let me.
Speaker 1: She cared about movies.
Speaker 3: Okay, mine where mine was? Both My parents really care
Speaker 3: about music.
Speaker 4: Again, Texas very Christian, very Christian, so like I couldn't
Speaker 4: have any they wouldn't buy many albums with parental advisory sticker,
Speaker 4: which is why the first album that I actually the
Speaker 4: first album that I wanted, I want to say was
Speaker 4: I want to say it was college dropout. Kanye West
Speaker 4: definitely had the sticker on there. So the first album
Speaker 4: that I actually received was Nick Cannon's self titled LP
Speaker 4: oh No, featuring the hit single Jigglo by you Guess
Speaker 4: featuring you Guessed It R Kelly oh No.
Speaker 1: It's the first.
Speaker 4: That was the first, and I did really like that song,
Speaker 4: and that was the that was the reason that I
Speaker 4: bought the album back when you had to do that, yeah,
Speaker 4: You're like, I just I want to listen to one song,
Speaker 4: So I guess I got to pay fifteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4: That's the first album I ever owned. Nick Cannon's album
Speaker 4: That is Wild. He was rapping Never Forget, he was rapping.
Speaker 1: Sheh Okay. Now I feel that we should do our
Speaker 1: final sag okay, Devin. Our final segment is called shout outs,
Speaker 1: and in this segment, we pay homage to the grand
Speaker 1: straight tradition of the radio shout out, shouting out anything
Speaker 1: that we enjoy people, places, things, ideas.
Speaker 2: And we think of them on the spot.
Speaker 1: We think of them on the spot, which is part
Speaker 1: of the struggle.
Speaker 2: The struggle struggle as as I always think.
Speaker 5: Olks, oh, we're being so unprofessional today.
Speaker 2: It's because Sam's getting married.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's why.
Speaker 2: Okay, now it's gonna come to me. It's gonna come
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have one.
Speaker 2: Okay, go go go.
Speaker 1: What's up freaks, losers, and especially perverts, this is for you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give a huge shout out to office parties.
Speaker 1: I have just been working a job for like a
Speaker 1: year and a half and we never had one party
Speaker 1: the whole time, so I only knew people in the
Speaker 1: context of work. And I said, Okay, I guess we're
Speaker 1: all like this. This is what we are. One party.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, everybody's so fun. I'm saying people get a
Speaker 1: little inappropriate. I say thank god. This whole time I
Speaker 1: was like enough with HR.
Speaker 6: And then this party we were getting a little bit weird,
Speaker 6: and I say, thank God, this job is over because
Speaker 6: some of these things would lead to some issues, but
Speaker 6: through that I felt very comfortable, and I said, you know,
Speaker 6: this is I finally I see the full humanity of
Speaker 6: these people.
Speaker 1: And I feel that I was almost robbed of seeing
Speaker 1: them as people and not as little data sets until
Speaker 1: this moment. So shout out to office parties. Yes, you're
Speaker 1: going to make some mistakes, but that's part of it.
Speaker 1: It's to understand each other on a human level. Enjoy
Speaker 1: it xxo, Sam.
Speaker 2: What's up, freaks and losers? I want to give a
Speaker 2: shout out to the feeling of being invited to something,
Speaker 2: saying no, seeing that people do that something, and being
Speaker 2: offended you're not there, this kite, the fact that you
Speaker 2: yourself said no to the invite. I actually think this
Speaker 2: is one of those so deeply human feelings that is
Speaker 2: invigorating because it reminds you of your own humanity. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about AI folks. AI cannot feel
Speaker 2: that feeling, The feeling of literally saying notice something and
Speaker 2: still being like, why did they do it without me?
Speaker 2: That is actually the core of human nature and we
Speaker 2: have to really lean into those, especially human feelings when
Speaker 2: we create art in the future. Otherwise the machines are
Speaker 2: going to win.
Speaker 1: Wow, humanity was running through both of art. Yeah in
Speaker 1: deep way. Wow, that was really you guys, And that
Speaker 1: was just off, just off the dome.
Speaker 2: Well, this just happened to me, actually that feeling. Oh,
Speaker 2: I see last night I was people and you were hangout.
Speaker 2: They're like, can you come? I said no because I
Speaker 2: had work to do. So I'm posting about it saying, well,
Speaker 2: why the hell are you there without me?
Speaker 1: Why are you guys?
Speaker 3: Why is it fun?
Speaker 1: If I wasn't gonna be there? Should you guys should just.
Speaker 4: Be saying kind of solemnly you should be in mourning, yes,
Speaker 4: just kind of being like, well, man, this sure could
Speaker 4: be better.
Speaker 1: Okay, Devin, whenever you're ready. Fuck you know what you know.
Speaker 4: I spent my whole time trying to think about what
Speaker 4: I was going to talk about, but then I kind
Speaker 4: of got enraptured by which all were talking about.
Speaker 3: I was kind of just I was really engrossed.
Speaker 2: To know we have had so many especially me, sometimes
Speaker 2: it will just not come to me and then everyone's
Speaker 2: sitting there awkwardly.
Speaker 1: That's not true. I've had just as many flops.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sam, but you are pushing it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're right. No, you're right, No, you're right.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 3: Freaks and losers? I'd like to say, hey, shout out
Speaker 3: to every single.
Speaker 4: Uber driver who carries on a conversation the entire time
Speaker 4: that we are in the vehicle. I'd like to know
Speaker 4: what it is. But you know, oftentimes we don't speak
Speaker 4: the same language, so I've just got to pick up
Speaker 4: on the cues that you're sending out verbally. And sometimes
Speaker 4: you seem like you're in a fight with your wife,
Speaker 4: and I like to know about that, you know, I
Speaker 4: like to know about what's going on with you. Weigh
Speaker 4: me in, you know, let me know a little bit
Speaker 4: about what you've got going on.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it together.
Speaker 4: If hey, whatever Uber driver takes me home after this,
Speaker 4: let's talk, let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's get together. Thanks.
Speaker 3: That's all I have to say to today. My name
Speaker 3: is Devin.
Speaker 1: Thanks, wow, wow, Well Devin, it's been a pleasure to
Speaker 1: have you on. Thanks for them. Yeah, it's been nice.
Speaker 2: And once again, please tell our listeners where they can
Speaker 2: find you.
Speaker 4: Uh, you can find me at Internet Devin, on whatever
Speaker 4: platform you you find people on. And then also my
Speaker 4: favorite lyrics pod go listen, go listen. We started all indie.
Speaker 4: We didn't do it with a network or anything, so
Speaker 4: we're like building it from the ground up.
Speaker 1: So go check it out.
Speaker 4: We've got a lot of very fun episodes and you
Speaker 4: guys are welcome to come.
Speaker 1: Would love to anytime. And networks are good too. Just
Speaker 1: FYI and shout out to.
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Speaker 2: And I Want. I wonder when I think we're pro indie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: any network here, pro network, prow network. The bigger, the better, conglomerates,
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Speaker 1: Love them, love them.
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