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Speaker 1: M Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my trusted colleague

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Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios

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Speaker 1: at Lambolefield and West. As we have recapped the bulk

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Speaker 1: of the two thousand seventeen season, we've talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about the new coaches coming in on offense and defense,

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Speaker 1: peak performances on both sides of the ball for the

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Speaker 1: Packers during the past season. But one area we didn't

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Speaker 1: really touch on much that we need to hit on

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Speaker 1: today and that's special teams. For a couple of reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: there is a new special teams coach on board. Maurice

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Speaker 1: Drayton will now be the assistant to special teams coordinator

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Speaker 1: Ron Zook as Jason Simmons, his former assistant, has now

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Speaker 1: moved up to UH to coach defensive back um with

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Speaker 1: with Joe Witt and new defensive coordinator Mike Petton. But

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Speaker 1: also because we need to give credit where credit is due,

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Speaker 1: and that is for all the injuries that we talked

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Speaker 1: about the Packers dealt with in tween the special teams

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Speaker 1: to Ron's Zook's credit and Jason Simmons credit did not

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Speaker 1: suffer from the Domino effect, so to speak. The Packers

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Speaker 1: special teams held their own despite a constant shuffling of

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Speaker 1: personnel that became the norm with all of the injuries

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Speaker 1: and players going in and out of the line up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy said right at his season ending news conference,

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Speaker 1: I mean that that Zook had done a heck of

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Speaker 1: a job with what he was given to work with.

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Speaker 1: You gotta remember, Mike, this is a group that had

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Speaker 1: a rookie punter that did not have any competition in camp.

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Speaker 1: They had three different long snappers throughout the course of

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Speaker 1: the season due to injuries, which I think that duo,

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Speaker 1: and some of that flux, I think somewhat contributed to

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Speaker 1: some of the missfield goals and things of that nature

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Speaker 1: from Mason Crosby. But the rest of this thing being

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Speaker 1: able to help Trevor Davis end up being third. I

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Speaker 1: believe it was in punt return average. The Packers were

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Speaker 1: of his issues during the preseasons with with fumbles. Um

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Speaker 1: Vogel ends up resetting the Packers net average for punting

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Speaker 1: this season, the fact that the coverage units ended up

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Speaker 1: new people coming in there. You have to remember when

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Speaker 1: when injuries hit and they hit the offense and defense hard,

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Speaker 1: lot of new players coming in from the practice squad

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Speaker 1: and making contributions. In ron Zock made all those pieces fit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really thought with regards to the Packers coverage units,

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Speaker 1: be able to force a fumble you know once in

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Speaker 1: a while set up the offense with a short field,

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Speaker 1: but you also didn't have the types of breakdowns and

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Speaker 1: in sen were really that that opening kickoff return for

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Speaker 1: later in the game really hampered the Packers in in

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Speaker 1: their their chances to win a ballgame. And then you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Justin Vogel, the rookie punter undrafted out of Miami.

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Speaker 1: I know, they want to work on some more things

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Speaker 1: with him in terms of consistency and ball placement, but

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Speaker 1: his work combined with the coverage units to uh to

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Speaker 1: which statistically has been kept in the franchise record books

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Speaker 1: since like the mid nineteen seventies. Um, that's something to

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Speaker 1: season long. The leg talent, the raw talent to punt

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Speaker 1: I think you saw a young man come in here

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Speaker 1: plan for this season was they were going to have

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Speaker 1: entire season. UM. So whatever, happened there. The Packers decided

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl alternate. I know I said this in

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Speaker 1: And I think it's impressive. Uh. And and for the Packers,

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Speaker 1: I think they finished sixteenth and Rick Goslin's annual rankings

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Speaker 1: the on site kick recoveries. I think that's a stat

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Speaker 1: Mike Spofford in this chair, Wes Hodkowitz and that one

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Speaker 1: here in specifically the Packers NFC North opponents. Obviously that

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Speaker 1: With Minnesota, you've got case Keenum, Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater,

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Speaker 1: they didn't lose that game just because of case Keenum.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but people look at a performance

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Speaker 1: Because from his point of view, you know, he this

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Speaker 1: hard to gauge right now what the market is going

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Speaker 1: agent and I don't know who case Keendom's agent is

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Speaker 1: and I'm saying, twenty two touchdown, seven interceptions in a

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Speaker 1: Now here's the other side of this coin, though, Mike,

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Speaker 1: others who have gotten hurt. He's kept that defense competitive,

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Speaker 1: they kept he That defense kept them in a lot

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Speaker 1: of games when Trubisky maybe wasn't playing all that great,

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Speaker 1: even one a couple of games for them, frankly. But

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Speaker 1: but now it's it's it's about finding that well rounded

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Speaker 1: team and that's Naggie's job to put together. And if

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Speaker 1: Rubinsky is the guy, they got to get him some receivers.

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Speaker 1: He has to have some people can catch that football. Yeah, receivers, definitely.

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Speaker 1: With that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition

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