WEBVTT - Michele Jackson - Oct 21 - 3:30 pm 0:00:07.430 --> 0:00:10.290 Welcome to Life in the Overflow. My name is Michelle Jackson. 0:00:10.369 --> 0:00:13.810 I serve as senior pastor at Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Maryland. 0:00:14.030 --> 0:00:17.210 I'm excited that you're here listening today. We're gathering all 0:00:17.250 --> 0:00:19.550 women to hear what the Lord is saying to us. 0:00:20.090 --> 0:00:24.050 John 10.10 states that the enemy comes to steal, to kill, 0:00:24.270 --> 0:00:27.410 to sour, and to devour. But Jesus came to give 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.620 us life, the zoe life of God in abundance, in 0:00:30.660 --> 0:00:34.360 an overflowing measure. There's a dimension of supernatural life that 0:00:34.420 --> 0:00:36.720 God has called us to walk in as women. 0:00:37.090 --> 0:00:38.419 We fill so many roles in. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.260 Society as wives, as mothers, as business leaders, as creatives, 0:00:42.380 --> 0:00:45.140 as stay-at-home moms. The Lord has called us to walk 0:00:45.180 --> 0:00:47.640 in a level of influence and grace because of the 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.300 life of God that is within us. So listen as 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.159 I share my heart, biblical truths, and guide us through 0:00:53.220 --> 0:00:55.550 so that we can discover a deeper love for Jesus 0:00:55.620 --> 0:00:58.190 and a grace for our families, for our communities that 0:00:58.230 --> 0:01:01.290 we're called to love and serve, the assignments that we're in, 0:01:01.690 --> 0:01:05.520 and fresh connections to kingdom-thinking women. I'm excited that you're here. 0:01:05.540 --> 0:01:18.089 This is Life in the Overflow. Hey everyone, this is Michelle. 0:01:18.209 --> 0:01:21.800 I want to introduce my friend, Lindsay Roberts, who will 0:01:21.819 --> 0:01:25.380 be on the podcast today. Before his death, Oral Roberts 0:01:25.459 --> 0:01:29.320 commissioned his daughter-in-law, Lindsay, with what he believed was a 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.870 mandate from God. Lindsay was called to help women discover 0:01:32.970 --> 0:01:36.050 who they are in Christ and establish them in their 0:01:36.090 --> 0:01:38.869 powerful identity in Him and to help them become the 0:01:38.910 --> 0:01:42.869 women God created them to be. women of true worth 0:01:43.030 --> 0:01:46.190 and true value. So since that day, Lindsay has made 0:01:46.209 --> 0:01:49.520 it her mission to share that powerful message from the 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.800 Lord to women around the globe. And so today I 0:01:53.460 --> 0:01:56.180 have invited her to share her heart and some of 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.920 the biblical truths that the Lord has imparted to her 0:01:58.940 --> 0:02:02.380 to you. So take a listen to what we had 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:14.220 to talk about. Well, we have such a treat to 0:02:14.260 --> 0:02:18.480 have Lindsay Roberts with us today on the podcast. 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:19.560 Welcome, Lindsay. 0:02:19.870 --> 0:02:22.950 Thank you. Thank you. Couldn't be more happy to be 0:02:23.010 --> 0:02:26.109 with you today. I so admire you and love you, 0:02:26.169 --> 0:02:29.170 love your family, love your ministry. Gosh, I'm honored to 0:02:29.210 --> 0:02:29.630 be here. 0:02:30.660 --> 0:02:31.540 Oh, my goodness. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.139 It's such a coup that I get to have you on. 0:02:34.340 --> 0:02:38.419 And just to get wisdom from you, I just felt 0:02:38.540 --> 0:02:41.440 really strongly to invite you in this season because I 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.780 know that the Lord is raising up a company of 0:02:44.860 --> 0:02:46.560 women to publish. 0:02:46.100 --> 0:02:49.980 The good news. And we know globally. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.100 We're preparing ourselves for harvest and the move of God 0:02:53.139 --> 0:02:56.260 that's coming. But it requires us to step into a 0:02:56.380 --> 0:02:59.630 higher level of who we are. And I know that's 0:02:59.690 --> 0:03:02.250 been such a part of your own journey. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:03.940 Do you mind sharing about that today? 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.980 Oh, not at all. And you have hit such a word. 0:03:07.020 --> 0:03:09.260 You put it so much better than I ever could have. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.380 We've got to step it up. We just have to 0:03:12.419 --> 0:03:15.140 step it up. And, you know, for me, I think 0:03:15.180 --> 0:03:17.679 if I step it up anymore, I'll be going faster 0:03:17.700 --> 0:03:20.220 than the speed of sound, so to speak. But we 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.490 do get to step it up. I think now it's 0:03:22.669 --> 0:03:26.530 a requirement in so many ways. You know, my father-in-law, 0:03:26.910 --> 0:03:30.070 was a lovely gentleman by the name of Oral Roberts. And, 0:03:30.310 --> 0:03:32.830 you know, the Oral Roberts ministry, if ever you learn 0:03:32.889 --> 0:03:37.070 to step it up, I would, you know, I didn't 0:03:37.170 --> 0:03:40.190 think a person could go any faster than he went, 0:03:40.380 --> 0:03:42.300 but he did. We used to tease him that he 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.360 went faster than the speed of sound. And we would 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.260 laugh and say, you know, the only way we can 0:03:48.300 --> 0:03:51.020 keep up with him is go nuclear because it was 0:03:51.300 --> 0:03:55.940 amazing to me the amount of intensity that he had 0:03:56.140 --> 0:03:59.840 on every project. And that kind of led me to 0:03:59.900 --> 0:04:02.480 the book, Discover Your True Worth. He sat me down 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.840 one day on Luke 8 and talked to me for 0:04:04.910 --> 0:04:08.820 hours and hours and hours and days about Luke 8, 0:04:08.810 --> 0:04:12.330 Women of Substance, that in the end times, when we 0:04:12.370 --> 0:04:16.250 would see certain things happening prophetically and in the earth 0:04:16.330 --> 0:04:20.460 and just in the natural in itself, he told me 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.659 what would happen when he believed how Jesus Christ had 0:04:25.020 --> 0:04:29.730 women there to birth him. A woman was there to 0:04:29.850 --> 0:04:34.010 nurture him through his life. A woman actually prophesied about 0:04:34.150 --> 0:04:37.730 his birth. Then a woman was there at the cross. 0:04:37.790 --> 0:04:40.890 A woman was there at the resurrection. And he believes 0:04:41.330 --> 0:04:45.890 there is a strength and a power and a usual 0:04:45.970 --> 0:04:50.620 anointing in women that is something that maybe we've not 0:04:50.700 --> 0:04:54.630 fully tapped into yet. And if we could fully understand 0:04:55.170 --> 0:04:58.860 what our true worth is in Christ, our true worth 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.030 is in Christ, then we can take that as a 0:05:02.089 --> 0:05:07.050 learning experience and compound it. into becoming all God calls 0:05:07.110 --> 0:05:10.330 us to be so that in the process of all 0:05:10.370 --> 0:05:15.310 of this, we can really do what's necessary to usher 0:05:15.510 --> 0:05:19.300 in the return of Jesus. Women were there. They were 0:05:19.339 --> 0:05:21.080 there at the cross. They were there at the birth. 0:05:21.140 --> 0:05:24.900 They were there at teaching. They were there at the resurrection. 0:05:24.940 --> 0:05:27.900 They were there, you know, in so many capacities that 0:05:28.589 --> 0:05:32.710 Wouldn't it seem like God uses women and sees a 0:05:32.790 --> 0:05:36.810 supernatural strength in us if we'll tap into it, that 0:05:36.830 --> 0:05:41.589 we also could be part, a large part, of bringing 0:05:41.610 --> 0:05:43.070 in the return of Jesus? 0:05:43.589 --> 0:05:46.790 Now, this is powerful because I think a lot of times, 0:05:47.390 --> 0:05:51.330 either our family background or just the images we see 0:05:51.370 --> 0:05:56.160 in society can leave us feeling insecure and can make 0:05:56.260 --> 0:06:01.410 us feel less than because sometimes we're measuring ourselves by 0:06:01.550 --> 0:06:05.990 external standards. I know growing up, we used to look 0:06:06.050 --> 0:06:09.740 at different magazines and you say, oh, I wish I 0:06:09.779 --> 0:06:12.820 had that hair. I wish I look like that. Or 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.000 I wish my hair did that. You know, all of 0:06:15.060 --> 0:06:19.300 those kind of things. And I believe that the Lord 0:06:19.380 --> 0:06:23.979 wants to shape us from the inside out versus how 0:06:24.020 --> 0:06:26.490 the world views things from the external. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.150 Can you talk about that a little bit? 0:06:28.470 --> 0:06:32.130 So it's funny you say that because I think about 0:06:32.210 --> 0:06:34.950 your family, how much I love your daddy. Oh, my goodness. 0:06:34.990 --> 0:06:37.370 He was such a man of God. So for you 0:06:37.430 --> 0:06:40.750 to step in and step up. Well, first of all, 0:06:41.110 --> 0:06:44.210 it's not like you're stepping in and you created the 0:06:44.250 --> 0:06:47.070 ministry and it was a ministry all about women, for women, 0:06:47.110 --> 0:06:51.360 by women. No, truth be told, your daddy was a 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:57.839 gentleman who had created a huge anointing, a huge ministry, 0:06:57.980 --> 0:07:03.020 a huge space in God's creation, and then expecting him 0:07:03.060 --> 0:07:05.800 to live 100 more years. All of a sudden, you're 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.790 at the helm and you are female and And you 0:07:10.030 --> 0:07:15.060 are extremely anointed, but you're following in the footsteps of 0:07:15.100 --> 0:07:20.080 a giant. I found myself following in the footsteps of 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:24.880 a giant like Oral Roberts. And there was absolutely no way, 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:30.550 male or female, that I could even perceive that I 0:07:30.610 --> 0:07:34.850 had anything valuable to say, even though, you know, I wasn't. 0:07:35.690 --> 0:07:39.770 I'm uneducated. I went to law school. I wasn't unprepared. 0:07:40.110 --> 0:07:44.120 I worked diligently to know the Bible. I was that 0:07:44.210 --> 0:07:47.280 person that no matter what I look like on the outside, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:52.119 I was totally insecure on the inside. I was afraid 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.820 to speak. In law school, they had to all but 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.040 force me to stand up and talk and I'd be 0:07:58.100 --> 0:07:59.980 shaking in my boots. And, you know, I had to 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.700 try and cover that and hide that But the truth 0:08:02.740 --> 0:08:06.300 be told, I did not have confidence in public speaking. 0:08:06.340 --> 0:08:09.120 Go figure. And then God puts me on live television. 0:08:09.700 --> 0:08:13.280 What was he thinking? And what was oral thinking? What 0:08:13.300 --> 0:08:16.480 was Richard, my husband, thinking? And when you are put 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.500 into a position that you feel like, OK, God put 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.810 me here. I didn't want to say, God, you made 0:08:22.850 --> 0:08:25.440 a mistake. God, you're out of your mind. God, you 0:08:25.460 --> 0:08:29.380 need to reassess. God, you really need to reassess. Rethink 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:34.150 all your priorities here because this can't be. And I 0:08:34.210 --> 0:08:38.670 had to decide from the inside, who was I from 0:08:38.710 --> 0:08:40.770 the inside out? In fact, one of the chapters in 0:08:40.809 --> 0:08:44.550 my book was who am I without my lipstick? Because, 0:08:44.630 --> 0:08:46.710 you know, we can paint, we can polish, we can 0:08:46.750 --> 0:08:49.090 tease up our hair. We can do all we need 0:08:49.110 --> 0:08:52.810 to do. And truth be told, if you don't know 0:08:52.870 --> 0:08:56.210 who you are from the inside out, all this exterior 0:08:56.270 --> 0:08:59.390 stuff is, I love it. You know, paint it, polish it, 0:08:59.429 --> 0:09:01.819 shine it, wrap it up, do whatever you need to do. 0:09:02.530 --> 0:09:05.679 But truth be told, I have to know who I 0:09:05.860 --> 0:09:09.560 am on the inside in order to accomplish what God's 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.520 called me to do on the outside. And it's tough. 0:09:13.250 --> 0:09:15.530 I tell people when I talk about you, which I do, 0:09:15.610 --> 0:09:17.070 if your ears are burning, I don't know why they 0:09:17.110 --> 0:09:20.090 say that. But truth be told, I talk about you 0:09:20.130 --> 0:09:22.890 all the time because you had a big ministry to fill, 0:09:22.929 --> 0:09:26.300 big shoes to fill. You're a female. Your dad was 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.939 beloved literally all over the place. So it was like 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.710 you're jumping into the deep whether you want to or not. 0:09:35.890 --> 0:09:38.809 that's tough. I'm going to be honest with you. That's tough. 0:09:38.910 --> 0:09:39.910 That's tough territory. 0:09:40.150 --> 0:09:43.120 I was with my dad, Bishop Hammond, Bishop Bill Hammond, 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.800 my spiritual father, a couple of weeks ago, and we 0:09:46.820 --> 0:09:51.060 were talking about that. We were talking about the obstacles, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.189 the challenges, and just really, we shed a few tears 0:09:55.210 --> 0:09:58.830 just being thankful for the grace of God. But I 0:09:58.910 --> 0:10:03.290 think what you're saying is so true that there's a 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:08.939 moment of decision that's internal that determines whether we align 0:10:09.020 --> 0:10:11.720 with what the Lord has spoken over our life. And 0:10:11.780 --> 0:10:16.280 there are many of those moments, right? I was meeting 0:10:16.340 --> 0:10:19.910 with the school of ministry students And I was saying 0:10:19.929 --> 0:10:22.699 to them, what's your inward conviction? I need you to 0:10:22.740 --> 0:10:26.180 get to a place of inward conviction because ordination is 0:10:26.220 --> 0:10:29.640 just us laying hands on and commissioning. And of course, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.479 we believe it's not just a little thing, impartation and 0:10:32.540 --> 0:10:35.790 all of that. But if you don't have the inward conviction, 0:10:35.830 --> 0:10:41.050 then when challenges come and they will come and when 0:10:41.110 --> 0:10:45.590 trials come and they will come and opportunities for offense 0:10:45.650 --> 0:10:50.430 to come and they do come. You need that anchor inside. 0:10:50.460 --> 0:10:53.740 You know, it's funny. I'm going to guess a couple 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.520 of months ago, perhaps it was more in December, but 0:10:56.540 --> 0:10:59.140 it was kind of, it was a while ago, but recently, 0:10:59.580 --> 0:11:01.059 the Lord told me, I want you to live from 0:11:01.100 --> 0:11:04.480 the inside out and kind of set it like a rebuke, 0:11:04.540 --> 0:11:08.020 like you're looking too much from the outside in. And 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.300 I said, okay, I need details. I always tell Richard, 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.980 I need details. And so I said to the Lord, 0:11:14.020 --> 0:11:16.400 I need details. Bill, tell me, what are you saying? 0:11:17.090 --> 0:11:19.390 And the Lord was saying to me, we see a 0:11:19.429 --> 0:11:22.330 situation that may be really great from the outside, and 0:11:22.350 --> 0:11:24.790 then we process it. We see a situation that may 0:11:24.809 --> 0:11:28.190 be devastating on the outside, and then we process it. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.740 He said, I want you to have everything so secure 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:36.360 on the inside, scripturally, talking to the Lord, praying, I 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.900 pray in tongues, whatever that is, my time with the Lord, 0:11:39.940 --> 0:11:43.240 my reading the word, my studying the word, even just 0:11:43.580 --> 0:11:47.240 being quiet and listening to And then when I'm settled 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.660 on the inside, start my day because things are going 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.520 to come. People will say things. I've had people say 0:11:55.570 --> 0:11:58.130 to me when I lost my son, when my son 0:11:58.170 --> 0:12:00.709 died in my arms and he was 36 hours old, 0:12:01.309 --> 0:12:02.970 I had a woman come to me and say, I 0:12:03.030 --> 0:12:06.709 prayed for that baby to die and God answered my prayers. Now, 0:12:06.730 --> 0:12:13.069 when you're delivering a baby and you're hormonal and you're probably, 0:12:13.410 --> 0:12:17.330 in my case, a real flaky atmosphere for me, and 0:12:17.470 --> 0:12:21.230 someone says that to me, I had to listen from 0:12:21.270 --> 0:12:24.410 the inside. Because if you have to only process from 0:12:24.450 --> 0:12:26.329 the outside and then say, God, what do I do? God, 0:12:26.370 --> 0:12:29.510 what do I do? I'm not saying it's too late. 0:12:29.530 --> 0:12:32.670 You could always do that. But if you have your 0:12:33.070 --> 0:12:38.970 spirit man established before the day starts, and then you 0:12:39.010 --> 0:12:42.750 walk out into situations, you don't process it from the 0:12:42.910 --> 0:12:46.920 outside Help me, Jesus. He's already helped you. And I 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.320 can stir up my most holy faith. I can stir 0:12:49.380 --> 0:12:51.870 up the prayer time that I prayed. I can pray 0:12:51.929 --> 0:12:54.570 in tongues and listen back for the Holy Spirit. And 0:12:54.610 --> 0:12:59.350 then I at least have some grounding when those occurrences happen. 0:12:59.429 --> 0:13:03.350 And yes, like you said, they will happen. When they do, 0:13:03.530 --> 0:13:07.220 I feel like. I'm not perfectly equipped. I'm not perfect 0:13:07.260 --> 0:13:11.220 in any way, but I may be a little better 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:16.430 equipped because my spirit man is already tuned in, so 0:13:16.470 --> 0:13:16.970 to speak. 0:13:17.390 --> 0:13:21.270 No, this is so good because I received some ministry 0:13:21.510 --> 0:13:27.309 recently and the Lord was telling me that, yeah, there 0:13:27.330 --> 0:13:32.090 have been some challenges in your life, but I was 0:13:32.350 --> 0:13:38.660 using them to shape you yeah and i was using 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.800 them i've been using every storm in your life to 0:13:43.300 --> 0:13:45.680 cause you to know that i'm the master of the 0:13:45.740 --> 0:13:50.070 wind and i'm the master of the storms and you're 0:13:50.110 --> 0:13:53.070 not big enough to do what i can do good 0:13:53.730 --> 0:13:58.250 but also to break me out of fear And so 0:13:58.510 --> 0:14:01.110 I was like, wow, thank you, Lord, for helping me 0:14:01.150 --> 0:14:04.390 to understand because, and he showed me this picture of 0:14:04.450 --> 0:14:06.709 the beach. I love the beach. The beach is a 0:14:07.270 --> 0:14:09.720 place that I love to go. It's like a cow 0:14:09.740 --> 0:14:12.380 gone take me away is not enough. I need a beach. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.239 I need a few days. I need the smell of 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.240 the salty air, you know? So what the Lord showed 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.520 me in that was like how the waves come in 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.990 and they look daunting, but then how they take away 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.220 some of the earth and how it uncovers things that 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.000 were there, shells that were there, maybe some starfish, different things. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.150 And the Lord was telling me that sometimes we can 0:14:39.270 --> 0:14:44.870 judge our lives by what the waves uncover. But there's 0:14:44.930 --> 0:14:46.550 another wave coming and. 0:14:46.450 --> 0:14:49.290 It's not over. You wouldn't know what beauty was under 0:14:49.330 --> 0:14:50.380 there without the waves. 0:14:50.660 --> 0:14:54.280 And so he was just sharing with me that, you know, 0:14:54.380 --> 0:14:56.940 my house is on the rock. So I don't have 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.859 to worry about a shaky foundation. But I think what 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.180 the learning lesson today as we're here on the podcast 0:15:04.300 --> 0:15:07.750 is like you knowing who you are on the inside, 0:15:07.830 --> 0:15:11.700 that when those waves come. and you know where you're founded, 0:15:11.820 --> 0:15:14.520 then you're like, okay, there's life in the storm for 0:15:14.580 --> 0:15:19.260 me and there's life after the storm. Because oftentimes when 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.900 we're going through tumultuous times, even in the passing of 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.080 my father, we can kind of like hold our breath 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.640 and just think we've got to suffer through and survive 0:15:30.300 --> 0:15:32.500 just to get to the other side of the storm. 0:15:33.140 --> 0:15:36.180 But if we have Jesus in our life, then there's 0:15:36.260 --> 0:15:39.140 still life and abundant life in the storm. 0:15:39.900 --> 0:15:40.980 And after the storm. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.760 You know, I used to read to my daughters a 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.970 book that was, I'm going to call it Excuses. And 0:15:47.030 --> 0:15:49.910 it's about one of the pages said, too beady, too bumpy, 0:15:49.930 --> 0:15:52.810 too leafy, too lumpy. There's always going to be something 0:15:52.870 --> 0:15:55.000 too beady, too bumpy, too leafy, too lumpy. It's not 0:15:55.030 --> 0:15:58.600 going to be perfect. And the Lord has really kind 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.390 of really impressed me to kind of stop what I'm 0:16:04.430 --> 0:16:07.650 doing and pay attention to Peter, and not in every 0:16:07.790 --> 0:16:11.230 great way, but just in a tiny little way, about 0:16:11.270 --> 0:16:14.960 something Jesus asked. One question now, Jesus could have said 0:16:14.980 --> 0:16:17.560 a lot of ugly things about Peter. You know, I 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.280 want to go to heaven, not now, but when I 0:16:20.300 --> 0:16:23.360 get to heaven, I want to get to heaven and say, Peter, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.300 let's chat, because you're so human. He made so many mistakes. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.540 He said so many things that were just downright ridiculous. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.370 He asked questions that I'm thinking, Peter, better keep your 0:16:34.410 --> 0:16:36.990 mouth shut than to have asked that. What were you thinking, Peter? 0:16:37.030 --> 0:16:39.430 Where's your brain? I mean, you're with Jesus and you're 0:16:39.510 --> 0:16:42.250 asking some of the silliest questions. And I want to say, Peter, 0:16:42.270 --> 0:16:47.140 zip it. Don't talk. And yet Peter is himself. And 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.700 one of the things Jesus said to him was, who 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.260 do men say that I am? They'll also say you're 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.000 a prophet, some this, some that, and a lot of 0:16:55.060 --> 0:17:00.950 different answers. Now, Peter is not highly educated. Peter doesn't 0:17:01.030 --> 0:17:04.690 always make wonderful choices. Peter made a lot of mistakes. 0:17:05.330 --> 0:17:08.510 Peter shot his mouth off when Jesus was there in 0:17:08.550 --> 0:17:12.550 the storm, and Peter thought Jesus was a ghost. And 0:17:12.570 --> 0:17:16.090 he said, hey, if it's you, tell me to walk 0:17:16.190 --> 0:17:20.850 on water. Who says things like that? When you're worried 0:17:20.930 --> 0:17:24.810 and in fear, instead of saying, Jesus, oh, Jesus, precious Jesus, 0:17:24.869 --> 0:17:27.470 come save me, come help me. Yeah, if it's really you, 0:17:27.930 --> 0:17:29.990 let me walk on water. Peter, what were you thinking? 0:17:30.869 --> 0:17:32.560 You get out of a boat and start walking on 0:17:32.580 --> 0:17:34.600 water when you don't even know if it's Jesus, it's 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:39.360 a ghost. Peter, you make too many goofball mistakes. But 0:17:39.460 --> 0:17:42.800 Peter was the one that Jesus had said, very simple, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.380 who do you think I am? And when he said, 0:17:46.420 --> 0:17:48.669 you're the Christ, he said, flesh and blood hasn't revealed 0:17:48.690 --> 0:17:51.870 this to you. He said that was revelation. And he said, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:57.310 on this rock of revelation, I can build my church. 0:17:58.170 --> 0:18:02.369 Can you imagine? Can you just imagine with all your shortcomings, 0:18:02.510 --> 0:18:06.710 all your failures, all your fears, all your mistakes, Jesus 0:18:07.250 --> 0:18:11.420 asking questions and Peter having some of the most goofball 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.719 mistakes and answers. But then he asked him something so divine. 0:18:16.859 --> 0:18:19.540 All right, there's people's opinion. Are you going to listen 0:18:19.580 --> 0:18:23.120 to the opinion of others and turn around and tell me, well, 0:18:23.140 --> 0:18:25.280 they say this, so it's got to be true. Listen, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.390 whoever they say are, many times I found in my life, 0:18:29.470 --> 0:18:32.470 whoever they is makes a lot of mistakes and doesn't 0:18:32.510 --> 0:18:35.570 know the story. But Peter didn't say, well, they say. 0:18:36.170 --> 0:18:39.130 Jesus said, who do you think I am? And he 0:18:39.170 --> 0:18:42.890 listened to the revelation of Christ. And Jesus was so 0:18:42.970 --> 0:18:47.100 impressed that He said, Peter, in spite of all your humanness, 0:18:47.619 --> 0:18:51.100 your human factor, I can build my church on you. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.560 And that came from the inside out. That wasn't outside education, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.270 although I appreciate great education. I'm all for it. That 0:18:59.369 --> 0:19:02.070 wasn't something his pals said, although I like to listen 0:19:02.109 --> 0:19:04.970 to the things my friends say. I like to listen 0:19:04.990 --> 0:19:09.119 to good teaching. He was listening to the Spirit, and 0:19:09.180 --> 0:19:12.580 Jesus said, if you listen from the inside out, I 0:19:12.619 --> 0:19:15.540 can build my church, mistakes and all. I can use 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.359 you to build my church. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:19.180 No, this is so powerful. 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.440 And it's so funny that we're picking up on this 0:19:21.540 --> 0:19:24.700 theme because Before we got on, I was talking to 0:19:24.740 --> 0:19:28.730 one of the staff here about how for me in ministry, 0:19:29.070 --> 0:19:32.190 you know, he's wired more that like he doesn't care 0:19:32.270 --> 0:19:34.490 what people think, right? And I'm more wired where I 0:19:34.550 --> 0:19:37.270 do care. And sometimes it affects me too much. 0:19:37.390 --> 0:19:37.830 So do I. 0:19:37.950 --> 0:19:39.230 And so, yeah. 0:19:39.630 --> 0:19:41.830 And so one of the things the Holy Spirit has 0:19:41.850 --> 0:19:44.270 had to deal with me on is helping me to 0:19:44.369 --> 0:19:47.070 understand that Jesus was moved. 0:19:46.930 --> 0:19:50.600 With compassion, but he wasn't controlled. by people. 0:19:50.619 --> 0:19:51.219 Yeah. 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:51.340 Yeah. 0:19:51.930 --> 0:19:55.270 And so I always think about when Jesus, when I'm 0:19:55.310 --> 0:19:58.010 trying to figure out, okay, is this me or is 0:19:58.030 --> 0:20:01.510 this the mission, right? Yeah. Is it the mission to 0:20:01.550 --> 0:20:04.330 care and to extend the love of Christ? Or is 0:20:04.369 --> 0:20:08.790 this me not wanting to hold a boundary or to 0:20:08.850 --> 0:20:11.910 cut things or to move forward? I always think about 0:20:11.970 --> 0:20:15.970 Jesus and I think about him healing Peter's mother-in-law, right? 0:20:16.030 --> 0:20:18.940 Going to the house, healing her. And then she immediately 0:20:18.980 --> 0:20:21.200 got up, started cooking for them. And then they began 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:25.810 to bring all that were sick, that were demonized. They 0:20:25.850 --> 0:20:28.570 brought all the people to him in the town and 0:20:28.630 --> 0:20:31.909 he ministered to them. He poured out and he ministered. 0:20:32.609 --> 0:20:34.970 And then the next day they couldn't find him because 0:20:35.020 --> 0:20:37.879 he had gone away and he had found a hidden 0:20:37.940 --> 0:20:41.120 place to pray and commune with the Father. And so 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.940 then the disciples come and they're like, listen, we need 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:45.920 you to come back because we've lined up all this 0:20:45.980 --> 0:20:48.469 ministry for you. We have all these things for you 0:20:48.510 --> 0:20:52.510 to do here in this town. And Jesus says, nope, 0:20:52.690 --> 0:20:54.929 it's time for us to move on, for us to 0:20:54.970 --> 0:20:57.590 go to the 10 towns and other places because I'm 0:20:57.650 --> 0:21:03.210 about my father's agenda. And so for me, it's been learning. 0:21:03.830 --> 0:21:08.889 to hear and to recognize that people have thoughts and 0:21:08.950 --> 0:21:13.449 opinions and ideas, but to be anchored in what my 0:21:13.510 --> 0:21:17.570 father has assigned me to do and having a place 0:21:17.710 --> 0:21:21.980 and a sense of conviction about that. And it's been 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.859 powerful because you can minister and you can pour out 0:21:26.369 --> 0:21:29.190 And virtue does leave you just like it left Jesus. 0:21:29.230 --> 0:21:31.920 So you need those times, like you were just saying, 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.580 stirring up your spirit man, building up your spirit man 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.820 before you're starting your day from that place of solitude. 0:21:39.260 --> 0:21:41.860 And Jesus shows us that even he did that. 0:21:41.940 --> 0:21:44.160 So if he did that and he was the miracle 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:48.430 working son of God, how much more do I need that, 0:21:48.530 --> 0:21:48.870 you know? 0:21:48.890 --> 0:21:52.389 There's two references in the Bible. I love the Bible, 0:21:52.430 --> 0:21:56.290 but sometimes I think people take it in so many 0:21:56.350 --> 0:21:58.869 different ways than how I take it sometimes. The Bible 0:21:58.910 --> 0:22:02.129 makes me giggle. Now, I'm not sure everybody reading the 0:22:02.430 --> 0:22:06.889 passage about the demoniac of Gadara cackles and giggles when 0:22:06.910 --> 0:22:10.300 they read it. But I cackle when I read the 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.540 demoniac of Gadara, which is good for me because I 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:16.359 am a people pleaser. I was that person of not excellence. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.440 I was a person of perfection. If I got a 0:22:19.420 --> 0:22:22.250 98 on the test, I thought it was failure. I 0:22:22.270 --> 0:22:24.369 was so close to 100. Why didn't I get 100? 0:22:24.369 --> 0:22:27.750 Can I have extra credit? And then my husband bless 0:22:27.790 --> 0:22:30.770 his heart. He's like, hey, I passed. Glory, hallelujah. So 0:22:30.810 --> 0:22:35.300 people perceive their worth in different ways. My husband's a singer. 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:41.200 I'm not. I'm a studier. I'm like that study, study, study. 0:22:41.340 --> 0:22:44.600 He's not. We're different people in different ways. So if 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.080 we get our oxygen, so to speak, in the same way, 0:22:48.180 --> 0:22:52.050 it doesn't mean the same. Jesus deals with us differently. 0:22:52.109 --> 0:22:55.149 He deals with us in our own way. And I 0:22:55.210 --> 0:22:57.050 had to learn to be a God pleaser, not a 0:22:57.109 --> 0:23:00.659 people pleaser, although I still like to please people. But 0:23:00.700 --> 0:23:03.200 I had to learn the difference of excellence, where God 0:23:03.260 --> 0:23:07.320 gets the glory, and perfection, where it really is more 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.359 about me. And I had to release that perfection about 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.490