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Speaker 1: M. What's Boiling my Crabs? I'm Robert Evans and this

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Speaker 1: is once again Behind the Bastards, the show where we

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Speaker 1: tell you everything you don't know about the very worst

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Speaker 1: people in all of history. How did you guys feel

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Speaker 1: about that intro? Loved it? Good? Good, my favorite? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: What's boiling my crab? What's boiling my crab? Let's make

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Speaker 1: that thing we always say everywhere. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: my new T shirt. I like it more than the

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Speaker 1: last time whatever it was. I figured that was the

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Speaker 1: what's itching my rashes? Yeah, this is palatable. It belongs

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Speaker 1: on not just a normal shirt, but exclusively on sleepless shirts. Yes, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's just what crabs make me think. Is the artwork

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Speaker 1: is going to be key, but this is this is happening. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as you listening have probably guessed by now. My guests

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Speaker 1: for today's episode are Katie and Cody, Katie Johnston and

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Speaker 1: uh Katie Stole sorry of the some news network. How

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Speaker 1: are y'all doing today? So honestly, Hi, Hey are you doing? Okay? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing Do you say honestly you're high? Or but

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Speaker 1: I see how that would sound like I was saying

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Speaker 1: it does sound I'm I mean. We're in the city

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Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, where conservatively of the city is high.

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Speaker 1: At any given time, you walk around and there are

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Speaker 1: two predominant smells. One is marijuana and the other is skunk.

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Speaker 1: At least in my neighborhood, it's one or the other,

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Speaker 1: and they're similar. They are similar. They are similar because

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Speaker 1: we have bad drivers, partly because of all of the marijuana.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking about a fellow named Oswald Mosley.

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Speaker 1: You'll know, you'll know about Oswald Mosley asked me again.

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Speaker 1: In an hour, y'all is about to So let's tear

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Speaker 1: into this this submarine which of knowledge. Let's eat this crab.

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Speaker 1: Let's eat this crab. Let's crack this crab, open fish out.

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Speaker 1: It's delicious butter drenched meat. Cover our table and our

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Speaker 1: shirt in crab goo. I got my bib on, got

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Speaker 1: my bib on, and I always ripped the bib At

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Speaker 1: some point you throw out the shirt. Yeah, you're having

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Speaker 1: a real good crab feast. You don't keep those clothing.

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Speaker 1: I just walk to get out of the crab restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Just burn my shirt in there in their furnace and

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Speaker 1: google the next crab restaurant you can find, you can

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Speaker 1: only go. That's the key with a good crab restaurants.

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Speaker 1: You get, you get one shot. You better do it right, y'all?

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Speaker 1: Is it glorious? It's it's a great four and a

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Speaker 1: half hours. All right. Let's talk about this fascist for

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Speaker 1: slightly shorter than you would spend at a crab much shorter.

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Speaker 1: Any well, we'll do a four part episode that's just

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Speaker 1: me at a crab restaurant and that will be the bastard,

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Speaker 1: so you'll be the best I am. I am the

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Speaker 1: worst version of myself when I'm eating crab boy. Nobody,

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Speaker 1: nobody needs any of that, all right? Sir Oswald Ernold

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Speaker 1: Mosley was born on the sixteenth of November. He was

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Speaker 1: the oldest of three children. His family was one of

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Speaker 1: those wonky s noble families that the British still have

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Speaker 1: for some reason. So at birth Oswald Mosley became the

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Speaker 1: sixth Baronet of Appdale Hall, Staffordshire. His mother Maud, gave

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Speaker 1: he was quote a rake gambler and a heavy drinker. Ye. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: Waldy bragged to anyone who would hear about the birth

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Speaker 1: day of Oswald's birth, thankful it's a boy. Oswald went

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Speaker 1: Everything the British do is wrong. So I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: Oswald's grandfather wound up being his chief male influence as

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Speaker 1: hard writing, hard drinking, hard living Tory squire. Much given

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Speaker 1: you grew up like that, you broke that insular kind

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Speaker 1: We should do that everywhere. This should be the whole world.

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Speaker 1: sure your whims being catered to in a beautiful environment

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Speaker 1: he wanted British people to only buy and sell from

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Speaker 1: other British people, cutting them out of the world economy

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Speaker 1: to render them immune to the destabilization of its booms

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Speaker 1: and busts. He wanted England to basically close its borders

425
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Speaker 1: for the most part, definitely didn't want it admitting any

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Speaker 1: people from outside of England. And he wanted it's its economy,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's agricultural production to be entirely self deficient. Now,

428
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Speaker 1: this was also this is a really common idea at

429
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Speaker 1: the time. This was like Hitler's big idea too. Yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: just like like the basic foundation of like nationalisms, protectionists,

431
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Speaker 1: and you keep everyone out and you do your own thing,

432
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Speaker 1: like like maybe like how Mr Moseley grew up, but

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Speaker 1: the bigger Yeah, because his life was so perfect and

434
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Speaker 1: everything was protected and insulated. Yeah, he just wanted to

435
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Speaker 1: put Britain first. Maybe you wanted yeah, oh Cody, oh

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Speaker 1: Cody first. Is that where he wanted to spoiler you'll

437
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Speaker 1: get to that, is that what he wanted to put

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Speaker 1: Stop jumping ahead, Boilers. Sounds like it just sounds like

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Speaker 1: everything else. It sounds like every other duration of this cycle.

440
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Speaker 1: But yeah, fascists are all the same, four guys. Yeah,

441
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Speaker 1: it kind of just seems like maybe they might be

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Speaker 1: all reincarnated, a bunch of losers with a bunch of

443
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Speaker 1: loser ideas, fair way to put it. Most of Mosley's

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Speaker 1: contemporaries considered his ideas kind of crazy, but mostly these

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Speaker 1: other plans were more reasonable. He wanted to institute a

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Speaker 1: massive public works program, spending two million pounds over three

447
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Speaker 1: years to create thousands of new jobs for England's unemployed masses.

448
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Speaker 1: These jobs would include a mobile labor corps to rebuild

449
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Speaker 1: the nation's slums. This was actually pretty reasonable. It's essentially

450
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Speaker 1: the same thing, you know as one of the lynch

451
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Speaker 1: pins of FDRs New Deal, the Civility and Conservation Corps,

452
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Speaker 1: which is why my granddad didn't starve during a great depression.

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Speaker 1: He's building parks and stuff. Great idea so mostly has

454
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Speaker 1: some good ideas and some bad ideas, like any politician. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually the fact that he had good ideas makes him

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Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit. Yeah, the ideas thing

457
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Speaker 1: really mostly a decent amount of port for this idea,

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Speaker 1: but his plan for how to make this happen set

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Speaker 1: a lot of people on edge. I'm going to quote

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Speaker 1: from Brett Rubens The Death of British Fascism quote. To

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Speaker 1: combat unemployment and to deal with the economic crisis in general,

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Speaker 1: Mosley believed that political power needed to be more centralized.

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Speaker 1: He argued for the creation of a new cabinet, led

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Speaker 1: by the Prime Minister and other top mpse, which was

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Speaker 1: to be advised by a think tank of economic experts.

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Speaker 1: This cabinet was to utilize all of the resources of

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Speaker 1: the nation to fight the economic disaster. Now, that was radical,

468
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Speaker 1: but not entirely without precedent. Britain had done something similar

469
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Speaker 1: during the Great War with Lloyd George's Supreme War Council.

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Speaker 1: Mosley was basically saying that the nation needed to treat

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Speaker 1: the Great Depression the way they would treat a major war.

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Speaker 1: It was not a popular idea among parliamentarians, but many

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Speaker 1: British people thought he was right on the money, so

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Speaker 1: Mosley remained popular with the people, even as Britain's political

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Speaker 1: elite rejected his ideals and sought to heal the nation's

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Speaker 1: export trade and revived the economy that way. The labor

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Speaker 1: government sought to balance the budget, which required a massive

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Speaker 1: cut to employment benefits and other entitlements. M Mmm, guess

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Speaker 1: how that went for the labor government. Yeah, Mosley was

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Speaker 1: infuriated that the Labor government had basically ignored his ideas,

481
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Speaker 1: and in the spring of nineteen thirty he resigned from

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Speaker 1: the Labor Party after giving a huge speech in front

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Speaker 1: of Parliament where he said that Britain's must quote get

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Speaker 1: away from the belief that the only criterion for British

485
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Speaker 1: prosperity is how many goods we can send abroad for

486
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Speaker 1: foreigners to consume there is. His words were met with

487
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Speaker 1: raucous cheering, which helped further convince him that what he

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00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: needed to do was create his own party to solve

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Speaker 1: the nation's problems. He grew even more popular after this

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Speaker 1: speech and his resignation, and many of his fellow parliamentarians

491
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Speaker 1: even began to see him as something of a hero.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty one, Oswald Mosley announced the formation of

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Speaker 1: a new political party, which he called the New Party.

494
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Speaker 1: Since he was not the most creative man in the world,

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Speaker 1: he convinced several other members of the Labor Party to

496
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Speaker 1: resign and join him as well. Some of these guys

497
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: got cold feet and jumped ship instantly, but enough people

498
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Speaker 1: stayed the course that they were able to give the

499
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Speaker 1: New Party a go. The New party's goals were based

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Speaker 1: around the principles Mosley had already outlined. He wanted to

501
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Speaker 1: create a small, six man council who could pass legislation

502
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Speaker 1: it will in order to make necessary economic changes faster.

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Speaker 1: What if just six guys have the pack, We'll just

504
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Speaker 1: get this done. Quicker, Tommy, what are you doing? The

505
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Speaker 1: New Party advocated strong import controls. Mosley also created the

506
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Speaker 1: New Party Youth Club in order to get young men

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Speaker 1: interested in politics his politics. At first, a lot of

508
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: British Liberals and progressives joined a party they assumed was

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Speaker 1: meant for them, in due partly to the failure of

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Speaker 1: their austerity measures, but largely to the existence of the

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Speaker 1: New Party. The Labor Party got fewer votes than the

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Speaker 1: Conservative Party. This piste off quite a lot of people

513
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Speaker 1: quote from the Death of British Fascism. Following the declaration

514
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Speaker 1: of the results, an angry mob formed outside the town hall.

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Speaker 1: They shouted at mostly calling him Trader and Judas, the

516
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Speaker 1: son of the defeated Labor candidate, charged the steps and

517
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Speaker 1: accused Mosley with ruining his father's chances. In response, mostly

518
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Speaker 1: turned to John Strachey and said, that is the crowd

519
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Speaker 1: that has prevented anyone from doing anything in England since

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Speaker 1: the war. One of most these friends would later state

521
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Speaker 1: his belief that this was the moment British fascism was born,

522
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Speaker 1: because you're so angry that people won't let him do

523
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Speaker 1: exactly what he wants to do. He wants to do

524
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Speaker 1: the thing. He has this idea, do it, and people

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Speaker 1: don't agree entirely with it. They agree with parts of it,

526
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Speaker 1: but they don't agree with all of It's true, kid, Yeah,

527
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: they need to agree with everything. When you agree with everything.

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Speaker 1: He has to see six too, He's six, all right.

529
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Speaker 1: So the guy in charge of the Labor Party, a

530
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Speaker 1: fellow named McDonald, chose to make nice with the Conservatives

531
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Speaker 1: in order to retain some power for labor and government.

532
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Speaker 1: This meant the new party suffered attacks from both screwing

533
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: over labor and was cut out of power while Labor

534
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: moved closer to the middle. His nineteen thirty two started

535
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Speaker 1: Mosley's party was a miserable failure, and his political career

536
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Speaker 1: seemed to be near its end. Before the thirty one elections.

537
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Speaker 1: He promised to resign from public life for a decade

538
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Speaker 1: if he lost, but he did not actually do this. Instead,

539
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Speaker 1: he decided that the failure of his party in the

540
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Speaker 1: election left fascism as the only option remaining. All he's

541
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Speaker 1: left with, what else? What else you gonna do? You

542
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: lose an election, you gotta go to fashion. Given me

543
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: no choice? Yeah, no choice. Like that's amazing, very like

544
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Speaker 1: from the very beginning. Oh yeah, you confidently do a

545
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Speaker 1: thing and then you lose, and then you get a

546
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: little worse learning from it. Just get a little worse,

547
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: get worse, and then get to get to where you

548
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Speaker 1: need to be. Get to where you need to be,

549
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Speaker 1: which is where he is in January two, when he

550
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Speaker 1: visits Italy. If Benito Mussolini's explicit request the two men

551
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: both had backgrounds as socialist politicians, and we're both frustrated

552
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: with dealing with their nation's tedious political bickering. Moseley took

553
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Speaker 1: to Mussolini at once, seeing him as a kindred spirit

554
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Speaker 1: and a man's man. This meeting convinced Oswald Mosley quote

555
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Speaker 1: the age of democracy was over. Here we go, that's

556
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Speaker 1: where that's where it's sat, That's where it's sat. When

557
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: he returned to England, Mosley wrote a loving article about

558
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Speaker 1: Mussolini's regime for the Daily Mail, stating quote, oh we're

559
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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the Daily Mail, stating quote, no

560
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Speaker 1: time is wasted in the polite finalities which have so

561
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: irked the younger generation in Britain. When dealing with our

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Speaker 1: elder statesman, Mosley wrote that the Italian mind was hard, concentrated,

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Speaker 1: direct and modern. Now the efficiency of fascism compensated for

564
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: a quote the right to blather. He believed British politicians

565
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Speaker 1: love too well, it's efficient, So why do we need

566
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Speaker 1: free speech? What was that going to get us? It's

567
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: just gonna waste time. It's just waste. It's just practical,

568
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: you guys, this is just makes sense. Mosley rebuffed multiple

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Speaker 1: opportunities to re enter the political mainstream, including invitations to

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Speaker 1: work with former Prime Minister David Lloyd George and invitations

571
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Speaker 1: from Winston Churchill. He also rejected the decision of many

572
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Speaker 1: of his New Party comrades who joined the Communist Party

573
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Speaker 1: after the disastrous ninety one elections. If there was one

574
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Speaker 1: thing Oswald Mosley hated, it was communism. He believed that

575
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: class conflict could only end in violent revolution, and instead

576
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: felt that fascism would do a better job of providing

577
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Speaker 1: a quality of opportunity. Communists wanted to destroy capitalism. Oswald

578
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: just wanted to reform it. No, no, buddy, you got

579
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 1: it wrong. Change nothing change. That is the tagline of

580
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: this podcast. Nothing has ever changed or ever will change,

581
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: because people are just kind of dumb a lot of

582
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: the time. Petty lazy dumb, petty lazy dumb, scared of

583
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: not having many nice things. Mosley knew that Italian or

584
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: German fascism wouldn't just work if it was transplanted in England.

585
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: He decided that to save his nation, it would be

586
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Speaker 1: his duty to create a new and uniquely British form off.

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Speaker 1: That's all, It's all. What are we? Just? What we?

588
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 1: I know this got seventy million people killed? But what

589
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: if which is just what are the British flavors? Yeah? Well,

590
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: sticky toffy pudding sic, bubble um? What if it's peppermint

591
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: bubble um? Boy him like, what do we throw a

592
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: little bit of lime? And that didn't The poison didn't

593
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Speaker 1: work because it was lined killing all the Jewish people.

594
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: What do we tweaked the flavor a little bit? What

595
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: have we changed the uniform slightly? Oh? Now they're killing Muslims. Okay, okay,

596
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: what if okay, what if? Okay, what if we'd change

597
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: it slightly again? What do we look at this flag?

598
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: This is a nice flag, like flags, is a different flag?

599
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Molask devoting things to flags. Some of us are going

600
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: to use the same flax, were used very similar flags.

601
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: We might like wink at other flags. Now. Part of

602
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Speaker 1: why Mosley was so drawn to the idea of British

603
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: fascism was his military background. During his time in the service,

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Speaker 1: mostly has developed a love of discipline, you can brutal discipline.

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Speaker 1: One of his friends, Harold Nicholson, said at the time

606
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Speaker 1: that quote Tom cannot keep his mind off shock troops,

607
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Speaker 1: the arrest of his political enemies, their in tournament in

608
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Speaker 1: the Isle of Wight, and the roll of RUMs around Westminster.

609
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Speaker 1: He is a romantic, that is a great family, keeps

610
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Speaker 1: mind off arresting his enemies. Such a romantic romantic because

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Speaker 1: whimsical brutalism. Whimsical brutality. I see the problem here. You

612
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: guys think words mean the wrong things, know they know that. Yeah,

613
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: The problem is that we think words mean things, put

614
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: actual meaning towards and they don't give a shit about anything.

615
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Speaker 1: He's a romantic cody. That's his failings. Well, because you

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Speaker 1: know what when I'm when I'm taking a lady out

617
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Speaker 1: on a on a on an estate and you want

618
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: to impress her, of course, first thing I do, show

619
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Speaker 1: my shock troops, and I imprisoned my enemies on the

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Speaker 1: Aisle of White and then you know, a little a

621
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Speaker 1: little bit of neck in in the back of the car.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's an aphrodisa. Ladies love seeing the political

623
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Speaker 1: enemies of a guy get locked up on the isle

624
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Speaker 1: of White. Yeah, that's just uh, since they're all British,

625
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: it would definitely be white like. Yeah. In October, Oswald

626
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Speaker 1: Mosley officially founded the British Union of Fascists or BUF.

627
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Speaker 1: He wrote a book few years later title buff. He

628
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: was kind of buff, Give that to him. He wrote

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Speaker 1: a book a few years later titled Fascism. A Hundred

630
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Speaker 1: Questions Asked and answered. That explained why he decided to

631
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Speaker 1: use the same word as the Germans and Italians rather

632
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Speaker 1: than invent a new term that might have been more

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Speaker 1: palatable to English ears. Quote, Fascism is the name by

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Speaker 1: which the modern movement has come to be known in

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Speaker 1: the world. It would have been possible to avoid misrepresentation

636
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Speaker 1: by calling our movement which he capitalized the m M,

637
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: by another name. But it was more honest to call

638
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: it fascism and just let everyone know exactly where we stood.

639
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: It is up to us to defeat misrepresentation by propaganda

640
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: and explanation of the real policy and method of fascism

641
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Speaker 1: as it will operate in Britain in the long runs.

642
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: Right forward dealing is not only honest but also pays

643
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Speaker 1: the best. So he was an honest fascist. Hate propaganda.

644
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 1: He was a fascist you'd like to have a beer

645
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Speaker 1: with if you weren't, you know, would you? Then you

646
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Speaker 1: would not? Would Well, he wouldn't let you in his house,

647
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, you know what will let you in? This?

648
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Speaker 1: This is a bad athlete and that that shouldn't be

649
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: how we do this. No, no, that was good. No,

650
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Speaker 1: maybe put like a river of something a little nicer,

651
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Speaker 1: a little a little What do we? What do we?

652
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Speaker 1: What's a product we can advertise for? That's on the

653
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Speaker 1: table right now? Altoid's curiously cool mints. I noticed that

654
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Speaker 1: your Altoy's katie come in a nice silver container that

655
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Speaker 1: you could also store your weed in or some some

656
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Speaker 1: pills of M D M A, t ascids. I could

657
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Speaker 1: store a lot of things in this little Cops probably

658
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: aren't going to search your altoids container. Yeah, They're less

659
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: likely than a jar labeled acid unless they listen to

660
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: this podcast. Spot fucking There are other drugs you can

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Speaker 1: keep in this though. There are a little bit of

662
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: alcohol in there. Cops, if you like this show, don't

663
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: listen to that. Most cops love this show. That's a

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Speaker 1: big part of our listening faces. It's weird all cops

665
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: are behind the bastards fans. Yeah, that's exactly it. I

666
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: see that on a lot of T shirts and punk shows. Yeah,

667
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: I think they seem like they crossed out a lot

668
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: of the words, but but I know what it means.

669
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: It's like how you don't put the or the the

670
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: behind the bastards all cops are. I think we put

671
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: enough daylight between that anti Semitism stuff and products and

672
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: services and we're back. So so, after establishing the British

673
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: Union of Fascists mostly outright or right away, published a

674
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Speaker 1: book called The Greater Britain, which he hoped would polish

675
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: the bad reputation fascism had gotten. Over All those deaths

676
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: from the Spanish Civil War and the bombing of Guernica

677
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: and all the people that the Nazis are putting concentration camps,

678
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, you know, in the Greater Britain.

679
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: He assured the English people that fascism did not necessarily

680
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Speaker 1: mean totalitarianism or a loss of liberty. British fascism would

681
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: be a dictatorship, yes, the one that was moderated and

682
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: accountable to the people via a legislative assembly. Who did

683
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Speaker 1: he want to be the dignator? I mean he wanted

684
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: to be the dictating I think he didn't. Yeah, he

685
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: wanted Oswald Mosley to be probably Tom Tommy on top. Now.

686
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: Oswald Mosley assured people that his fascism did not require

687
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Speaker 1: violence to gain power. If the BUF could just gain

688
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: enough seats in Parliament, they'd implement the changes he suggested,

689
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: in a perfectly legal manner. Why they what about the

690
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Speaker 1: Queen's not going to talk about that. Oh, he's got

691
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: a job for the queen and the at this point. Yeah,

692
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: So Mosley tried to convince the people that embracing this

693
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Speaker 1: idea and adopting it gradually was a smart choice, because

694
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: fascism was the new way of things worldwide in Britain

695
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: might as well get a head start if they wanted

696
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Speaker 1: to compete. This was basically him cribbing a concept from

697
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: an essay by Benito Mussolini, the Doctrine of Fascism, which

698
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Speaker 1: said this quote, if the nineteenth century was the century

699
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Speaker 1: of the individual, liberalism implies individualism, we are free to

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Speaker 1: believe that this is the collective century, and therefore the

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Speaker 1: century of the state. In other words, the twentieth century

702
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: would be the fascist century, and there was no sense

703
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Speaker 1: fighting it. Given where the global balance power stood in

704
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Speaker 1: ninety two, it's easy to see how a number of

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Speaker 1: people could have come to this conclusion. Mosley told his

706
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: people that both left and right wing had failed them.

707
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Speaker 1: The right wing could guarantee stability, but it could not

708
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Speaker 1: create progress. The left brought progress, but instability. A fascist

709
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Speaker 1: middle was necessary. To you nine, the two like they're

710
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Speaker 1: just like they're like two ways, But what if there

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Speaker 1: was like a and the more than a more than

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Speaker 1: two way. It's a second plus one second plus one way,

713
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Speaker 1: like a like a almost fourth way. I think there's

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Speaker 1: the only two ways to describe it. Okay, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: think we got it. Quote, fascism is not dictatorship in

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Speaker 1: the old sense of the word, which implies government against

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Speaker 1: the will of the people. Instead, mostly believed that fascism

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Speaker 1: rested quote on the enthusiastic acceptance of the people and

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Speaker 1: could not endure without their support. So that's good, that's

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Speaker 1: also essential. It's a whimsical fascist. Whimsical fascist want that support,

721
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's winning the proof fascist. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I get hung up on so this Britain first,

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Speaker 1: this this isolation is kind of idea, but taking so

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Speaker 1: much like putting Mussolini on a pedestal in like celebrating

725
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Speaker 1: other places. Well, you got a problem with Mussolinia, kitty,

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Speaker 1: He's hard. You know, I've only I've only read Italian

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Speaker 1: history up until about n four, But it seemed like

728
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: he was a pretty cool guy. I've only read German

729
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: history up until about nine. A lot of good speakers

730
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Speaker 1: around that time. We're really engaging speakers, really good. Yeah,

731
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Speaker 1: I'm excited for what comes next for them. Yeah, yeah,

732
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Speaker 1: no spoilers. I wonder what else they have to say.

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Speaker 1: Uh so, um, but well, because also because that whole

734
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Speaker 1: what you're saying about, how like, yeah, Britain first, but

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Speaker 1: then you support like Mussolina all these people. That's just

736
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Speaker 1: what they do. Like there's little Hitler quote that's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're better than anybody. I think we

738
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Speaker 1: should be like our own thing, and like Japan, they

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Speaker 1: do their own things, their own thing. We all just

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Speaker 1: sort of do better. China does Japan's things. He was

741
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: he was not a fan of China doing its own thing.

742
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Speaker 1: I don't believe he said that in the that quote.

743
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Speaker 1: But yes, yes, it's just so interesting. We respect what

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Speaker 1: they're doing and we want to steal it, but we

745
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: want them to be far away from us, and you know, yeah, yeah. Now,

746
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Speaker 1: in Moseley's vision of British fascism, his equivalent to the

747
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: German Fewer would be the Minister, a single man who

748
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: would have basically all the power in Britain, but who

749
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Speaker 1: would be subject to a vote of confidence every five years.

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Speaker 1: If the people stopped supporting this dictator, the king would

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Speaker 1: be able to appoint a new one, who would then

752
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Speaker 1: have to go about earning the support of the masses

753
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Speaker 1: so that he could win a confidence vote. That seems

754
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: like a lot of checks and balance. There's one that's

755
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: a lot. That's a check. If you got none one,

756
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: that's a lot. That is a lot. Five years a

757
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: good amount of time for a dictator. It doesn't seem

758
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: like a ruler's best interest to have a dictator. But

759
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: what if we have another ruler who's like, all right,

760
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: you don't like that dictator? What about So you might

761
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: see how reasonable people, though, could get suckered into the

762
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Speaker 1: British Union of Fascists. Considering this is before that whole

763
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Speaker 1: World War two things starts democracy. People are seeing some

764
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Speaker 1: flaws and I mean, i'm i'm, i'm, I understand that

765
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: there are people who can fall into movements like yeah,

766
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: it's a little more understandable in nu Yeah, I definitely

767
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: agree with that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. As moderate as Mosley's

768
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: new take on fascism may have seemed on the surface,

769
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: that quickly turned into the battle fascism we all know

770
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Speaker 1: and hate. The first signs of this were obvious from

771
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: the way Mosley and his fellow fascists react to the

772
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: disruption of their meetings and mostly speeches. The first signs

773
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: of this were obvious from the way Mosley and his

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00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: fellow fascists reacted to the disruption of their meetings and

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00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: mostly speeches by people who will call I don't know

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Speaker 1: not fascism likers fas fast opposites great. Starting with the

777
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: announcement of the BUF party, gatherings were often disrupted by

778
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: Heckler's mostly Communists and other assorted fasci opposites shouted over,

779
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: mostly until they were ejected from the gathering. For a

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Speaker 1: little while, mostly grin and bore it. But after a

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00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: few months of this he decided to form a paramilitary

782
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: organization dedicated to opping these sorts of disruptions. This I

783
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: took a couple of months. The BUF had established a

784
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: youth league right away, of course, which initially just encourages

785
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: young members to be athletic and play sports like rugby.

786
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: The young men wore no uniform and therefore did not

787
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: set off any alarm bells as a military force initially.

788
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: A government study later revealed most Britain's viewed mostly as

789
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: quote a colorful, eccentric and fascist occasions is entertaining spectacles.

790
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: But as disruptions of fascist events grew more frequent, Mosley

791
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: reformed the youth auxiliary into something with sharper teeth. The

792
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: soon to be infamous black Shirts. Y. Yeahs they wore

793
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: black shirts yeah for their teams sports team. Yeah you

794
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: needed colors sports teams exactly. Here's the death of British

795
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: fascism quote. Mosley stated that the Black Shirts Stewards and

796
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Speaker 1: originated with his resolve to not succumb to disruptors. Mostly

797
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: claimed that as the movement gained momentum, so did its resistors.

798
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: Rather than allow his meetings to be shut down by

799
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Speaker 1: a disruptive, organized minority, Mosley created the London Defense Force

800
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: to train and recruit more Black Shirts Stewards. He claimed

801
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: that the creation of the Black Shirts was entirely out

802
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: of defensive necessity, a result of increasing hostility to his movement. However,

803
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: there is evidence that this force had an offensive capability

804
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: as well. The press accused black Shirts of unprovoked attacks

805
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: on communists and later Jews. The Times testified the black

806
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: Shirts verbally provoking a group of young Jewish men in

807
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: London in the summer of nineteen thirty three. The Daily

808
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: Worker of January nineteen thirty six charged Mosley's Black Shirts

809
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: with raiding its offices, turning over cars, and causing extensive damage.

810
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: Weren't the black Shirts also Mussolini's brown shirt, Brown Mussolini's shoot.

811
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Speaker 1: I forget which one Mussolini had black Shirts it was

812
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: what was the black Shirts? Yeah? Yeah, brown Shirts were hitlers.

813
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: They all got there there that their fucking shirts today

814
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: today is Fred Perry, I mean a bit more creative.

815
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they all got there and punish your logos. Yeah,

816
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: and they're little larp shields and little liarpe shields and stuff.

817
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: From to nineteen thirty seven, os, while mostly averaged two

818
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: hundred speeches a year, each of them accompanied by a

819
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: large group of Black Shirts. These young men lived in Chelsea, London,

820
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: at a barracks called the Black House. At the height

821
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: of the BUF, more than a thousand men lived there

822
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: full time. They trained in jiu jitsu and lived under

823
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: military discipline. From nineteen thirty two one, they were a

824
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: constant and very visible presence at rallies. Now. The Black

825
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Shirts received a major endorsement in the public consciousness in

826
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four when Lord Rothmure, a conservative newspaper tycoon,

827
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: embraced the BUF and it's paramilitary auxiliary. Rothmu ran a

828
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Speaker 1: little newspaper you may have heard of, called The Daily Mail.

829
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Speaker 1: On January eighth, nineteen thirty four, The Male published an

830
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Speaker 1: article titled Hurrah for the black Shirts. I'd like to

831
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: read a few quotations from that article, which was written

832
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: by Lord Rothmuir himself. He's he's counted as Viscount Rothmuir

833
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: in this, which is a word I know how to pronounce,

834
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: even though it's spelled viscount, which is dumb. That's actually

835
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: probably right. I don't know. I mean, I don't know either.

836
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't vice count vice Count Rathmar. Yeah right, I'm

837
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 1: because he's not good enough to be a full one circumstances, Yeah,

838
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: he could assist one, yeah, in certain areas. Quote from

839
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: Hurrah for the black Shirts? What if the Daily Mail

840
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: is still a great newspaper anyway? Because fascism comes from Italy,

841
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Speaker 1: shortsighted people in this country? You think they show a

842
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: sturdy national spirit by de writing it. If their ancestors

843
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: had been equally stupid, Britain would have no banking system,

844
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: no Roman law, nor even any football. Since all of

845
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: these are of Italian invention. The Romans invented cool stuff,

846
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: So Italian fascism sweet as hell. Yeah, I love logic

847
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: and reason as well. Debate me cowards, the socialists especially,

848
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: who jeer the principles of in uniform of the black

849
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Shirts as being of a foreign origin. Forget that the

850
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: founder and high priest of their own creed was the German.

851
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: Jeke are old marks. Put that jew right in the

852
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: front there. Though the name and form of fascism originated

853
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: in Italy, that movement is not now peculiar to any nation.

854
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: It stands in every country for the party of Youth.

855
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: It represents the effort of the youngest generation to put

856
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: new life into an out of date political systems. That

857
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: alone is enough to make it a factor of immense

858
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: value in our national affairs. Black Shirts proclaim a fact

859
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: which politicians dating from pre war days were never faced,

860
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: that the new age requires new methods and new men. Uh,

861
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't have it all on here. It's only a

862
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: chunk of the thing. This thing you get the idea

863
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: crazy newsreel is the that's the next article. And woman

864
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: through the ages. Oh boy, now I was thinking that too.

865
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: But you can import things from other countries like Rhods,

866
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: just not that. But not the people. Not the people

867
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: under no circumstances, Katie, I'm not lack. No, they're not

868
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: wearing the right shirt, not steal the best from other cultures,

869
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: just not just the people. Well, they're not sending their best,

870
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: so they're not going to send their best, of course,

871
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: not unlike Oswald Mosley, who trains his best to jiu

872
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: jitsu so they can destroy newspaper offices. Among he has

873
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: six too, among other great ideas. Lord Rothmure declared Mussolini

874
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: to be the greatest man of the twentieth century and

875
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: another one of his articles did not age well U,

876
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: by the way, he's best, He's the best. He's the

877
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: best person that in nineteen thirty two I'm confident will

878
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: arise in the next seventy eight years. Curious see how

879
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: his position evolves. I mean, have you read the Daily Mail?

880
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: The Daily Mail for reference after the christ Church shootings

881
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: just provided a free download of the shooters manifesto to

882
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: anyone who wanted it. I just avoid yeah, an the whole.

883
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: Are there any good publications that are daily like The

884
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: Day that was a set up daily, the Daily Caller. No,

885
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: it's almost like releasing a bunch of stuff every day

886
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: on a thing that you can't like, do any really

887
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: great analysis and maybe you know the best you can

888
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: hope for is reporting that's that's not nonsense. And even

889
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: then a lot of the times people are gonna get

890
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: it wrong. It's so like sensationalist like instant reactions to stuff.

891
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: Isn't responsible news. It might be. I mean newspaper is

892
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: destroyed on one every day. I just mean I've quite

893
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: a lot of daily publications that are like I roll

894
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: a world. Oh yeah, they're all bad, except for the

895
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: daily guys. Except for the daily guys, of course, I

896
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: mean literally again, Dailey Wire, Dailey Caller, Daily Mail, Daily Prophet,

897
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: the Daily Show. That would be Harry Potter. You do

898
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: not want to be thank you listening to that Harry Potter.

899
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: That was a Harry Potter. The whole thing was a

900
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: setup for a Harry Potter. We are talking about British people. Well,

901
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure once jk Rowling here's this, we'll get a

902
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: couple of tweets about what Mosley was. His wizarding was

903
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: bad because he's secretly trans or something like that. But

904
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: I want to know her thoughts on the Goblin bankers anyway.

905
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh boy, that is something I did not catch as

906
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: a nine year old. Enough. Yeah, it's fine, it's fine.

907
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: Uh In nineteen thirty, when the Nazis had gone from

908
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: twelve to d and seventh steech in the Rich Dog,

909
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: Lord Rothmuer had penned an article for The Daily Mail

910
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: stating the Nazis represent the rebirth of Germany as a nation,

911
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: which was not entirely inaccurate. To be fair, fun fact,

912
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail online is today the world's largest English

913
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: language newspaper website. But I'm sure they've gotten a lot better.

914
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: I wrote all this before, I said their garbage and

915
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: don't don't go there. Well, Mosley's rallies grew more and

916
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: more violent, and the black Shirts got better and better

917
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: at doing violence. Lord Rothmure continued to praise the British

918
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: Union of Fascists. When Mosley was accused of wanting to

919
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: establish a quote system of rulership by means of steel

920
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: whips and concentration camps, Rothmuer called his critics tired alarmists

921
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: and panic mongers. The support of Rothmare in The Daily

922
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: Mail let thousands upon thousands of new Britons to join

923
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: the b UF. This meant Mosley gave more speeches to

924
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: larger crowds, which led to more vicious black Shirt beatings.

925
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: Of protesters and disruptive elements. Early in the early in

926
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: the BUF history, Mosley had tried to dispatch his hecklers

927
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: by making fun of them. He was a great public speaker,

928
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: some say one of the best in the history of

929
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: English politics, so this worked for a while. But as

930
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: time went on, the black Shirts took more and more

931
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: of that responsibility and used more and more violence to

932
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: do it. According to the Death of British Fascism quote,

933
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: brutality on both sides of the podium abounded in this period,

934
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: although Mosley claimed he forbade his Black Shirts to use

935
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: weapons of any kind. The Constitution of the Black Shirts

936
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: outlined careful rules for keeping order at BUF meetings. It

937
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: stated interrupters will be ejected only on the instructions of

938
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: the speaker. When the persistence of an interrupter prevents those

939
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: in his vicinity from hearing the speech, objection will be

940
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: carried out with a minimum of force necessary. In my

941
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: life mostly calls the slogan he used to inspire his protectors,

942
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: we never start fights, we only finished them. Both hecklers

943
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: and black Shirts regularly carried weapons, from brass knuckles to

944
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: razor blades. Mosley was proud that never once was one

945
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: of his meetings broken up, but this was only possible

946
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: due to the intense violence deployed by his black Shirts.

947
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: Mosley would later write that these devoted young men saved

948
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: free speech in Britain. Sure they hate how many times

949
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: use the free speech in your podcast? I know it's

950
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: it's their favorite dog whistle. It's yeah, it's frustrating. Free

951
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: speech is good, it is good, but words don't mean

952
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: things to them. Yeah. The Communist Party was the largest

953
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: organized opposition to the b UF. Their newspaper, The Daily Worker,

954
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: cheered when four black Shirts were hospitalized after an atmbush

955
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: in Edinburgh. This built and built until a planned BUF

956
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: rally on June seven, nine thirty four, in Olympia. This

957
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: rally was planned to bring more than fifteen thousand fascists together.

958
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: Twelve thousand of those people were actual audience members, the

959
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: remaining three thousand or black Shirts in and out of uniform,

960
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: waiting throughout the crowd to break up the Communist resistance.

961
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: They knew it was coming. The Communist Party had asked

962
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: its local leaders to buy as many tickets to the

963
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: meeting as possible, having their members send in ticket requests

964
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: along with lurid letters of support for fascism. The plan

965
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: was that anti fascist demonstrators could hide themselves in small

966
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: groups throughout the mass of audience members. After Mostly introduced himself,

967
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: they'd start chanting slogans like Fascism means murder down with

968
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 1: Mosley until they were physically removed. Other groups would cut

969
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: the lighting cables. These interrupters would all wear black shirts

970
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: to confuse the fascists, and they'd stagger their disruptions in

971
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: order to make sure that as soon as the fascists

972
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: cleared one group out, the next would start up, completely

973
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: derailing the planned meeting. This plan worked brilliantly for the

974
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: first hour or so of the meeting until the black

975
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: shirts managed to ferry it out basically all the communists.

976
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: They removed thirty people in total. Twenty one of these

977
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: people who are rested outside by the police for obstruction,

978
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: public disturbance and refusal to cooperate. In the end, Mosley

979
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: was able to finish his speech. He made as much

980
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: hay as he possibly could out of the demonstrators showing up.

981
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: That same night on the BBC, he claimed that communists

982
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: had attempted to shout down free speech and asked the audience,

983
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: now I put it to you to your sense of

984
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: fair play, would you have handled these reds very gently

985
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: when you had seen your men kicked in the stomach

986
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: and slashed with razors, your women with faces streaming in blood.

987
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: Now there was zero evidence that anything like that had happened.

988
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: In fact, one of the other panelists interviewed had been

989
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: at the speech and denied seeing any weapons and communist

990
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: hands at all. Instead, he said that he'd seen interrupters

991
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: struck in the head, in the stomach, all over the body,

992
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: with complete absence of restraint. He called it the worst

993
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: violence he'd seen short of the war. To their credit,

994
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: the BBC would not have Mosley on as a guest

995
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: again for more than twenty years. The media sided with

996
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: the interrupters, widely panning Mosley's Black Shirts for their violent

997
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: response to what amounted to minor acts of disruption. Geoffrey Lloyd,

998
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: a Conservative MP, attended the rally and later told The

999
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: Times of London he was quote appalled by the brutal

1000
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: conduct of the fascist last night. Five or six fascists

1001
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: carried out an interrupter by arms and legs. Several other

1002
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: black Shirts were engaged in kicking and hitting his lifeless body.

1003
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, Mosley's biggest supporter in the mainstream was David

1004
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Lloyd George, a liberal. Shortly after the meeting, George wrote

1005
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: an editorial and stated quote, it is difficult to explain

1006
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: what the fury of the champions of free speech should

1007
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: be concentrated so exclusively, not on those who deliberately and

1008
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: resolutely attempted to prevent the public expression of opinions of

1009
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: which they disapproved, but against those who fought, however, roughly

1010
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: for freedom of speech. Lloyd George believed that people who

1011
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: showed up at a political meeting with the intent of

1012
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: disrupting it have no right to complain if an exasperated

1013
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: audience handles them rudely, rudely, rude rudely, rudely, with whimsically,

1014
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: with with whimsical brutality. So much use of the phrase

1015
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: free speech, and none of which were written by me,

1016
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: by the way, these are all yeah. This wing towards

1017
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: greater violence occurred right alongside another event that would further

1018
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: radicalize Moseley's Fascist party. Three weeks after the Olympia rally

1019
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: was the Night of Long Knives, where Hitler's Nazi party

1020
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: consolidated power by murdering at least eighty five political rivals.

1021
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: Many people who had been on the fence about this

1022
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: Hitler fellow and his Nazism left right the funk off

1023
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: that fence after the Night of Long Knives, but Mosley

1024
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: and the b UF backed their fascist brothers to the hilt.

1025
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: Black Shirt, the b UF's official newspaper, claimed that the

1026
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: men Hitler murdered were guilty of the greatest fascist crime,

1027
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: disloyalty to the leader. Yeah. Yeah, what about free speech, guys, Well,

1028
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: not once you're in charge. Free speech until you get

1029
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: in charge and then never again. Oh okay, that's less

1030
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: catch it just below it. You han't got a lot

1031
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: lower into violence. I guess man, they love beating people up.

1032
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: They do love beating people up. It's a lot of fun.

1033
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: So uh. This is the move that finally lost Mosley

1034
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: the support of Lord Rothmere. He pulled the Daily Mail

1035
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: support of the bus in the very next issue Brave Man.

1036
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: He only supported him for like say, he's a coward

1037
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: a couple of just a couple of years. Until all

1038
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: the things that he said became clear that he meant them.

1039
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: Oh you meant the things should be taking you literally

1040
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: this whole time. Mommy, are you watching? Apologies, British people. Sorry.

1041
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: At the time, Mosley claimed Rothmure had only chickened out

1042
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: on his fascism due to pressure from a cabal of

1043
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: Jewish advertisers. It was one of the first stirrings of

1044
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: public anti Semitism from Oswald Moseley, who up until this

1045
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: point had walked a fine line of supporting the Nazis

1046
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: and being a fascist without actually blaming the Jews for

1047
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: all the world's wars. That would change rather dramatically as

1048
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: time went on, But we'll have to tell that story

1049
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, and we come back for part two of

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Speaker 1: Oswald Moseley's life story. I can't wait. Good luck, Tommy.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys think it's gonna in Well? Yeah, all

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Speaker 1: stories have good ending, they do, they do. I feel

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Speaker 1: like he's going to be a cool guy. I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a cool guy with good opinions who

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Speaker 1: goes about bringing those opinions to fruition in healthy, productive

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Speaker 1: kind ways. I feel the same. I think he's going

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Speaker 1: to get married and settled down too. I think, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: find a wife, be a couple, of wives wives, maybe

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Speaker 1: a harem who's legally obligated to never leave the palace.

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Speaker 1: He seems like that kind of guy. It does seem

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Speaker 1: like that kind of guy. I can't tell if you're

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Speaker 1: There are so many pilities. Let's let's let's plug some

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Speaker 1: plug doubles before we uh we pretend to go away

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Speaker 1: until part two. Yeah, yeah, I won't see you for

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Speaker 1: another day or two. We're going to go and some guys.

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Speaker 1: That's how we do this show. Yeah, we just keep

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Speaker 1: driving back. You can check us out online. We've got

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Speaker 1: a podcast, even more News podcast. We've got a Patreon,

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Speaker 1: Patreon dot com slash Some More News which ye YouTube

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Speaker 1: show is called some More News. Uh, it's on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You can google it also somewhere news Twitter. My personal

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Speaker 1: Twitter is dr Mr Cody Minds, Katie Stole And I

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Speaker 1: think those are all the things we can plug. I

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Speaker 1: you can plug whatever you want. First Off, Thrones is

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Speaker 1: coming back a couple of weeks. Oh. I don't think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have heard of that. Oh it's

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Speaker 1: a great show. Yeah, you should catch up on it.

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Speaker 1: Check check that one out. I don't want to anything

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Speaker 1: but the scot Dragons. Goddamn, but but to be fair,

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Speaker 1: the dragons are computer generated. Oh well, so sorry, this

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Speaker 1: is disappointing. This is a real bummer. I thought they

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Speaker 1: were cloning. Sorry. I'm Robert Evans. You can find me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at I right, okay. You can find this

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Speaker 1: podcast on the internet at Behind the Bastards dot com.

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Speaker 1: We have shirts to public dot com by shirt by two,

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Speaker 1: shirts by three, shirts by four, shirts five, six, shirts,

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Speaker 1: seven eight nine. We don't have that many designs. You

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Speaker 1: would be buying multiples by ten shirt. You don't have

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Speaker 1: an all cops are behind the Bastards shirts season. There

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Speaker 1: were working on that good. I feel like that one's

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Speaker 1: gonna go over real well, yeah, that people will love

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Speaker 1: it all kind of that. That'll be my new driving

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Speaker 1: shirt instead of the same Lives Do Cry shirt. You're

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Speaker 1: just promoting your podcast, man, that's fine. You haven't heard it.

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Speaker 1: I thought that's what the shirts about. Man, this is

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Speaker 1: the episode. Go go hug your family or some ship.