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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 2>By from San Francisco. I'm a sports byline broadcasting network.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts

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<v Speaker 1>When you're ready, When you're ready, let's get it all now.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here every day Monday through Friday, New Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>And it is Wednesday here on the show. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what that means. I'll tell you one thing. It means

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back. I was gone yesterday, talk about it. Have

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<v Speaker 1>the break if you but it was one of those days.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am back here today and we have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to talk about, including tonight's aw Dynamite. We got

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<v Speaker 1>eight things announced for the show. Seven things we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that. It is the Continental Classic, Gold League and

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<v Speaker 1>Blue League matches and more. It includes Will Osprey and

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<v Speaker 1>Darby Allen and Shelton, Benjamin and the Beast Morts. Is

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<v Speaker 1>Beast finally going to get a big win? Well, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>find out tonight, so we'll talk about that. We got

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<v Speaker 1>a Ring of Honor Final Battle coming up on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>We had NXT last night, and last night they actually

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<v Speaker 1>taped two episodes of NXT. They did the live show

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<v Speaker 1>and then a tape show, and they've got another tape

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<v Speaker 1>show coming up on Thursday. So on Thursday, all of

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<v Speaker 1>NXT through the end of the year is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be all wrapped up. And well, I'm not gonna do spoilers,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did. It's one of those nights where before

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<v Speaker 1>I watched NX, I had a lot of people telling me, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>wait till you see this Javan segment, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it at all, and I'll tell you why. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that show and then all of the rest

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>And the show Brain Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live Mike

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<v Speaker 4>Don't do it. Don't fight that battle.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't I'm not even starting on that. Don't tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm starting with?

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<v Speaker 4>How dare you?

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<v Speaker 1>I was supposed to do a meeting yesterday right when

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<v Speaker 1>this show started. You know what happened? Here we go,

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing happened. I waited and I waited, and I waited,

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<v Speaker 1>and I emailed and I texted and I waited. I

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<v Speaker 1>waited all the way through the show. I could have

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<v Speaker 1>done the show yesterday. And then I waited and I waited.

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<v Speaker 1>Six thirty Eastern I finally get an email. Oh I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, we're gonna try again tomorrow. But I made

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<v Speaker 1>it abundantly clear I'm out of here at eleven fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five Pacific because I got a show to do. So

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you held down the fort fairly well, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was actually listening to a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard what you said. Hello, Yeah, it's going out

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<v Speaker 1>with my headphones now.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It's those Sony's you got there.

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<v Speaker 1>That was week the brand new I'm not evenna get

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<v Speaker 1>into the Tony Storm thing from yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>No wait, no, no, I was looking in the Twitch

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<v Speaker 4>chat before we started here and apparently, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you're going Why are you trying to go down

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<v Speaker 1>this road? I'm not going down this road.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm I'm just pointing out to you that Chelsea

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<v Speaker 4>Green is Oh God is uh is big on social

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<v Speaker 4>and you are playing by falling into what these people

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<v Speaker 4>want you moving on.

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<v Speaker 1>In a new investigative piece out Wednesday, former ESPN Senior

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<v Speaker 1>VP of Production and current WA Head of Median Production,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Fitting was fired by his former employer after being

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<v Speaker 1>accused of years of misconduct behind the scenes, which included

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<v Speaker 1>both sexually suggestive comments and objectifying comments towards women. WWE,

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<v Speaker 1>owned by TKO, did not provide a comment to the

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<v Speaker 1>athletics last New York Times. Fitting was hired by WWE

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<v Speaker 1>in January after being fired by ESPN Disney late August

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. Had been working for over twenty five years,

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<v Speaker 1>headed up the popular college Game Day show. Complaint was

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<v Speaker 1>made to ESPN's HR department regarding Fitting, which led to

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<v Speaker 1>a further investigation. He was fired shortly thereafter. The three spokesperson,

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<v Speaker 1>the forty nine year old denied some of the allegations

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<v Speaker 1>to the media outlet, while not addressing others. He also

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<v Speaker 1>declined to comment on the broader characterization of him as

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<v Speaker 1>someone who mistreated women during his tenure at ESPN or

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<v Speaker 1>why he was let go by the network outlets spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to more than twenty women since, six of which were

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<v Speaker 1>talked to as part of the investigation. Among the accusations,

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve, while around employees, he commented on a

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<v Speaker 1>non employee's ability to chug beer, opine she would be

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<v Speaker 1>good at oral sex. He denied this happening. Twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he offered up his lap for a woman to sit

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<v Speaker 1>after there were no remaining chairs in a production meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>He denied this happening. He sent a text to a

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<v Speaker 1>female employee twenty eighteen that read, quote, you look hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently that one was not denied. He made jokes about

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<v Speaker 1>performing bed checks and jokingly jokingly in quotations as the

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<v Speaker 1>female staffer for her hotel room number. He denied this happening.

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<v Speaker 1>He discussed and bragged about he and his wife's sex life.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently that was not quote. When he saw a woman

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<v Speaker 1>in an outfit he liked, he let her know. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>in ways women and other employees found crude and or humiliating,

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<v Speaker 1>and around twenty seventeen, an employee asked to meet with

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<v Speaker 1>fitting in New York City to discuss opportunities. She claimed

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<v Speaker 1>he asked if he should go get a hotel room

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<v Speaker 1>for the night, which she interpreted as a room for

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them. He said she misinterpreted the claim

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<v Speaker 1>and that he was asking if he should get a

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<v Speaker 1>conference room. To the allegations of him commenting on women's looks, hairstyles, outfits,

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<v Speaker 1>his spokesperson leaf fitting has a spokesperson said quote, it

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<v Speaker 1>was his job to provide feedback to male and female

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<v Speaker 1>on air talent regarding their appearance and on air delivery.

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<v Speaker 1>Things begin to turn against him in twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>after he scandal broke regarding falsified submissions for Emmy Awards,

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<v Speaker 1>which led to College Game Day getting thirty statues. They

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<v Speaker 1>never actually won what?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that situation this is above, didn't they got thirty thirty? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but there's an asterixk on what that is. Because you

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<v Speaker 4>get an Emmy Award, the hosts don't get one, believe

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<v Speaker 4>it or not. So let's say this show was to

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<v Speaker 4>win an Emmy Award, we wouldn't actually win the Emmy.

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<v Speaker 4>Jared would win the Emmy, Dom would win the Emmy,

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<v Speaker 4>Daniel would win the Emmy. All those people. So what

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<v Speaker 4>he did was he would kind of like fudge names.

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<v Speaker 4>So if the person's name was I don't know, who's

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<v Speaker 4>somebody on ESPN, you know, Andrea Kramer or whatever it

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<v Speaker 4>would say, like Andy Kremer or something. That's what he

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<v Speaker 4>did to change the name so that the talent would

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<v Speaker 4>actually receive statues. That's why he did that. So is

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<v Speaker 4>it something I guess moral to do. No? Is it

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<v Speaker 4>in the grand scheme of things, the worst thing in

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<v Speaker 4>the world. No. In fact, it's kind of silly, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's a really silly rule that they have. Now there's

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<v Speaker 4>this other stuff which is completely different, as Brian types away.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, noh, yeah, I gotta figure something out.

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<v Speaker 4>Here at the vae.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, hold on a second. Here, here's here's my question

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<v Speaker 1>for Lea fitting. Okay, so if you look behind me,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a YouTube plaque. Okay, yes, we got for

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<v Speaker 1>for one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're watching on YouTube right now, go and hit

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<v Speaker 1>that subscribe button.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you subscribe.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, they sent the plaque and then there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a little piece of paper that's like if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to order additional plaques, yes, like you can. You want

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<v Speaker 1>one for Mike, you want one for Dave, you want

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<v Speaker 1>one for Vinnie, You want one for dom whoever? Like

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<v Speaker 1>it can be done that way. So you tell me

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<v Speaker 1>that this guy there were Emmys and he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get these Emmy statues for the other people involved. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he like, okay, here's my question. Go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>All the Express A good, All the Express eighty seven

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five. I mean, why couldn't he have just gone

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<v Speaker 1>and bought like a bunch of replicas. That was your

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<v Speaker 1>solution to get everybody else an Emmy statue was to

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<v Speaker 1>fudge everything.

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<v Speaker 4>Brian, because they're replicas. It's like somebody getting a replica

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<v Speaker 4>super Bowl ring. No, you want to have the actual

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<v Speaker 4>Tiffany or whoever makes these things. And it is kind

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<v Speaker 4>of ridiculous that they have a separate role for hosts

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<v Speaker 4>and for the show when it's not all about technical

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to the show, it's about the overall show,

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<v Speaker 4>which includes the host. So it's one of those silly

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<v Speaker 4>things when it comes to the Emmy Awards that he

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<v Speaker 4>was just trying to do a workaround so the people

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<v Speaker 4>like a Laura Rutledge would get credit for her work

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<v Speaker 4>on a show or whoever it.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be well anyway, multiple people said they ascribe to

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<v Speaker 1>an HR official instances in which they believe Fitting engaged

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<v Speaker 1>in inappropriate conduct and are discriminated against women. Two current

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN executives briefed about the result of the investigation said

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<v Speaker 1>the findings gave the company a little choice but to

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<v Speaker 1>let Fitting go. Fitting through a spokesperson the client to

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<v Speaker 1>address why his employment was terminated by ESPN. No comment

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<v Speaker 1>from WWE yet. We'll see if we get any.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if that now leads because that was

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<v Speaker 4>the big story about Fitting from before, and it made

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<v Speaker 4>for a big headline like this guy falsified things. Then

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<v Speaker 4>you looked at the story and you found it to

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<v Speaker 4>be kind of like this is kind of a ridiculous technicality,

0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.480
<v Speaker 4>kind of a dumb thing. Now all of this adds

0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:42.600
<v Speaker 4>some big layers on and for ESPN it's bad because

0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.600
<v Speaker 4>ESPN's got a history of these sorts of things. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>there's that book that's out. You know, those guys have

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<v Speaker 4>all the fun and they've tried to move past a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of this, but there always seems to be something

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.480
<v Speaker 4>that takes place there Steve Phillips situation. There's always something

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<v Speaker 4>that seems to take place, So that's bad for them.

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<v Speaker 4>The environment that they've gotten, and then you look at

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<v Speaker 4>where he went to WWE, that was trying to shed

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<v Speaker 4>themselves of a lot of that stuff. And obviously this

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be a sticking point here when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to the media and how people perceive WWE and

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<v Speaker 4>moving forward. If they have Lee fitting over here, if

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<v Speaker 4>they did those if he did those things. At the

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<v Speaker 4>very least, what you can say about the things that

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<v Speaker 4>you said were that he got way too familiar with

0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.760
<v Speaker 4>his his on air talent. That's the least you can

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<v Speaker 4>say about what they have. It could be worse than that.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's not. We'll have to find out, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be interesting to see how TKO now deals

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<v Speaker 4>with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll be back in a moment and dom if

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<v Speaker 1>you and Byline want to get me and Mike replical

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<v Speaker 1>Marconi's I ain't gonna complain all the express back in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike Simper VV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Networks.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I cannot find a replica Marcon.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually have to win one.

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you still give out Marconi?

0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a twenty twenty four Marconi winner. It happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn yes, hey, listen to the next segment. I should

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<v Speaker 1>mention we got a special guest, Michael Kingston On got

0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:43.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot to talk about, including Bigfoot. I'll explain later.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Uh, last night's NXT this was a classic example,

0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.200
<v Speaker 1>a classic example of one of those shows where everybody

0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.480
<v Speaker 1>starts emailing me, oh man, Brian's gonna lose it? Can

0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:56.800
<v Speaker 1>do you?

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<v Speaker 4>Can you?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see what they did to Javan? I can't

0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.080
<v Speaker 1>believe it? And I watched it. I was like, dude,

0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that was awesome, Like I got no problem with that whatsoever,

0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.760
<v Speaker 1>because he's in a feud now. So what happened was, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you got poor, uh poor what's his face? Ethan Page?

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<v Speaker 1>He's all sad, he's just losing right and left and

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's uh, they're in Lowell, Massachusetts. You knew this

0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.760
<v Speaker 1>was gonna happen? Did anyone not know this was gonna happen? Anybody?

0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.960
<v Speaker 1>So he's in he's in Lowell and he comes down

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<v Speaker 1>to the ring and he has lost his smile, just

0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:41.920
<v Speaker 1>like Sean Michaels did in Lowell, Massachusetts, like twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. So he comes out and he's all sad

0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's talking about his family, and like the fans

0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.280
<v Speaker 1>aren't buying one second of this. They don't believe this

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.399
<v Speaker 1>guy for one second.

0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.400
<v Speaker 4>It's because he didn't get beat up by a marine.

0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.359
<v Speaker 1>They're booing him and he's he's acting like he's about

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<v Speaker 1>to quit. And uh, thirty five years ago, that old

0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't thirty five, I wasn't ten, it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 4>You weren't ten thirty five years ago.

0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Full, it was thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, The point is this out comes Javon Evans, and man,

0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.080
<v Speaker 1>is there a bigger Javon Evans fan than me? Clearly,

0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.480
<v Speaker 1>no one reals, no one that works, there's a bigger fan.

0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like this guy is he's so great in the ring.

0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.720
<v Speaker 1>He's got so much charisma that people love this guy

0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.760
<v Speaker 1>and they just like treat him like anyway, you know

0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.600
<v Speaker 1>what else this guy can do. His brother can cut

0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:45.159
<v Speaker 1>a promo. Oh my god, he comes out here and

0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:49.160
<v Speaker 1>he does his promo about you know what, you came

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<v Speaker 1>here and all you did was brag and talk about

0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.680
<v Speaker 1>your accomplishments. But you know what that's not really you.

0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I know the real Ethan Page. I saw the real

0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Ethan Page at heat Wave. Not what you did in

0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the match, but what you did after the match. You

0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.479
<v Speaker 1>won that title, and you looked at your family and

0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you told them I love you, and not everybody can

0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.320
<v Speaker 1>do that. That smile you had, that proud dad smile,

0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.760
<v Speaker 1>that proud husband smile, the smile of a guy who

0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.840
<v Speaker 1>just busted. Is you know what for eighteen years to

0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.320
<v Speaker 1>get here where he deserves to be. You deserve to

0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.159
<v Speaker 1>be here. So from now on you should drop that

0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.399
<v Speaker 1>all ego. These fans here, they want to see the

0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.240
<v Speaker 1>real you. And if nobody else here is gonna say it,

0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.679
<v Speaker 1>because they're not gonna all say it, I am proud

0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.240
<v Speaker 1>of you, and I mean that from the bottom of

0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.720
<v Speaker 1>my heart. I was crying. I was like, man, what

0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.959
<v Speaker 1>a what a promo? What a promo?

0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:48.280
<v Speaker 4>What a promo?

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Cole Lee And then Ethan takes the mic and he

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<v Speaker 1>hits him in the face and they did the blood gimmick,

0:19:55.000 --> 0:20:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and man, I don't know if this guy like he

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.880
<v Speaker 1>hits he hits Javan and Javon goes down and so

0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Ethan goes outside to get like a chair or whatever

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.240
<v Speaker 1>for the distraction, so you can't see whatever. I don't

0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.480
<v Speaker 1>know if they like slid him a thing this big

0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:18.879
<v Speaker 1>of cranberry juice. This guy had gallons of fake blood

0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.960
<v Speaker 1>in his mouth. And Ethan puts his chair around his

0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.960
<v Speaker 1>face and he stomps on it. And dude, I've been

0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:33.919
<v Speaker 1>watching Mid South and it's a guy's name Cowboy, you

0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 1>stop already, shut up.

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:38.360
<v Speaker 4>He's the Asian guy.

0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 1>And he puts the thing on the guy's neck and

0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:46.600
<v Speaker 1>they also killer, oh massa eito or something. Anyway, Uh,

0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:52.520
<v Speaker 1>that's not what happened here. He pilmanized this guy's neck. An,

0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.119
<v Speaker 1>you want no story, I'm gonna tell you a story.

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.479
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm gonna tell you what happened here, because

0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, Van and I are spirit animals. Something similar,

0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.879
<v Speaker 1>something similar. This is to happen to Javon last night,

0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:11.160
<v Speaker 1>happened to me. So this was this was probably twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. This is this is the opposite of medical advice.

0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.200
<v Speaker 1>This is the opposite of medical What I did never

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<v Speaker 1>do this, Okay. So what I was doing was I

0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:28.359
<v Speaker 1>would go no carb for several days and then I

0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 1>would have a carb up day. Okay, So you know

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I was doing no carbs, no carbs, no car but

0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.080
<v Speaker 1>well it's car carb up day. So what I did

0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:41.240
<v Speaker 1>was I got a whole bunch of kool Aid packets,

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 1>straight pure sugar and red number five or whatever it is,

0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.600
<v Speaker 1>which is probably poisonous. So I just I made up

0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:56.440
<v Speaker 1>this thing of kool aid, a gallon, a gallon of

0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 1>kool Aid. And the idea was, I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>go and do my last hard workout for the week,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was going to begin my carbup and

0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna start by drinking a gallon of kool Aid.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went in and I worked out because it

0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.199
<v Speaker 1>was my last one before my car bup. I was,

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm gonna have this kool Aid. I'm gonna

0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.080
<v Speaker 1>eat doughnuts. This is the wrong way to do this everybody,

0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.399
<v Speaker 1>but I was young. So I went in there and

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I worked out real hard, and I came outside and

0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I was all ready for that kool aid, and I

0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 1>started chugging kool Aid. Now the issue was not just

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that I was chugging kool aid. But for those of

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.439
<v Speaker 1>you that have ever worked out, you know sometimes you

0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.639
<v Speaker 1>have that workout, we're like, you push it a little

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>further and you're like right on the verge of you know,

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I actually, I actually I pushed it so hard I

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<v Speaker 1>might I might throw up. So I you know, I

0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.920
<v Speaker 1>cooled down, walked it off, got over that part where

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.359
<v Speaker 1>you know I may throw up. Well, then I started

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.840
<v Speaker 1>drinking that kool aid and I drank or in the

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:12.719
<v Speaker 1>parking lot, I drank and I drank, and I drank,

0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and I drank and I drank and I drank, and

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I realized I made a real big mistake. And right

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<v Speaker 1>there in the parking lot, I opened the driver's side

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>door and I vomited out a gallon of bright red liquid.

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe nobody called, like the paramedics or got

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.480
<v Speaker 1>like the airlifting coming in. I mean I it was

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 1>probably the most horrific thing anyone had ever seen. If

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 1>anybody saw it, tell me guy opened the opened up

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the door and just appeared to vomit a gallon of

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.359
<v Speaker 1>blood after working out at the gym. Well, this is

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly what Javon did when they stomped that guy's face.

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>He didn't just start spinning blood. He vomited red blood everywhere.

0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 1>And I watched that. I thought, if there's there's any

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>child watching this program, that child will never be the same.

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>They will never ever, they will never be the same

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:14.400
<v Speaker 1>after seeing him getting pilmanized and spewing blood every bro

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I have two kids. If Paisley saw that, it would

0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 1>be years of therapy, Oh my, years of therapy to

0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>get over that one.

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:23.159
<v Speaker 4>Jesus, don't show her the corner.

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>That's a fireball, dude, that's not vomiting blood out of

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>your mouth after getting your neck pilmanized. So anyway, he's dead.

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>They got rid of him, took him out of there.

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 1>But I thought that was an amazing segment. Was going

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 1>to lie.

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 4>Although you are way overstating the amount of blood. You're

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 4>acting as if he was vomiting blood.

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 1>It's spewed everywhere.

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 4>That was the thing. It was the splatter more than

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 4>the amountain. Yes, and how he sold it and it

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.399
<v Speaker 4>was very well done. It was very well filmed. But

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 4>he is not like looking it up as if he's

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 4>the uh the kid from what was it the uh

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 4>Possessed movie or whatnot? You know, and hey listen sitting

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.880
<v Speaker 4>out like.

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.120
<v Speaker 1>It was so graphic that like when they like they

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 1>quickly went to commercial, and I was like, they're gonna

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 1>come back and they're gonna show the aftermath. They are

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>not going to replay that, and I was wrong. Of

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 1>course he replayed it again.

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 4>Dub Brother, Prama, Lee, Horror. You gotta build it up,

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.719
<v Speaker 4>Trick Williams with thoughts in prayers immediately in the promo

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 4>following you, Yeah.

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>He should have. And speaking of Trick, the main event

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 1>of the show. So Eddie Thorpe, he finagled his way

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>in to that title match tonight in the Great Angle

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of NXT in twenty twenty four, and so I will say,

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.360
<v Speaker 1>they're doing the match, and it's so they only got

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like twelve minutes even less actually, and there's a commercial

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>break in the middle, and man, I gotta say they

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 1>came back. And I was like, this is the most

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 1>nothing happened in title match, Like what a nothing happened

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>in pay off? I was like really disappointed. And then

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, the referee took a bump and

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Eddie hits a paradigm shift, steals Moxley's finish and makes

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.360
<v Speaker 1>the cover and he gets a ten second visual pinfall.

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, I guess they got an out

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:22.880
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. And then another referee runs in and Eddie

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>hits two El generico running kicks in the corner steal

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>in everyone's spots. He goes for the third one, he

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 1>eats the trick knee, Trick falls on top of him.

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 1>You know how you guys are always like, oh, Sean's

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.439
<v Speaker 1>living out all is this or that? And lost my

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>smile and whatever. Nobody even noticed what this was. They

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>had a very very famous match with Shawn Michaels and

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Triple H might have even been like that hour long

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the show goes off the air with classic

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<v Speaker 1>that was a very good show, but we got Michael

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>here today.

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<v Speaker 4>We got a lot to talk about.

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<v Speaker 10>How you doing, uh, doing good? Doing good? Run the

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<v Speaker 10>final stages of this campaign, So just no sleep till

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<v Speaker 10>the end.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to to tweet this out, but Twitter sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like not working right now. But I think it

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<v Speaker 1>finally did go out. If you guys want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, my ex We've got

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<v Speaker 1>the link about how you can donate, how you can

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<v Speaker 1>help support this a Kickstarter. You and Gangrel Gangrel have

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<v Speaker 1>co written a comic about a promoter who trains Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>to wrestle in Portland in nineteen eighty five, the same

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<v Speaker 1>as same as family owned promotion from bankruptcy.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you went underwater? Try that again? Can you confirm

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<v Speaker 1>that that's correct?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that was one hundred percent correct.

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Bigfoot is recruited this this this could almost be

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<v Speaker 1>a true story if there were like a Bigfoot, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm.

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 10>Saying sort of the time. I mean, there's a lot

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 10>of you know, I like all the territory stuff, you know. Obviously,

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 10>while there does my covers, I spend a lot of

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 10>time talking to him and you know whatever, So there's

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 10>a lot of there's a lot of It really could

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 10>be a real story, like it it's grounded against a

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 10>lot of realities. Obviously the names are changed whatever it's

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 10>not you know, it's not a word for word retelling.

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 10>But there's a lot of the factors that are sort

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 10>of occurring, you know, in that time period that you know,

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 10>it's sort of you know, and then Bigfoot is the

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<v Speaker 10>answer to everyone's problems. But yeah, it's I try to

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 10>I try to write absurd things, but like keep the

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 10>keep the stuff authentic and grounded. As much as that

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 10>sounds weird.

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<v Speaker 1>A threat of reality to Bigfoot being recruited basically.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean it's basically, uh, you know,

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 10>it's Portland Wrestling at nineteen eighty five and you know,

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 10>Gottera means coming in, and you've got drugs coming into

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 10>to Portland. You've got you know, outlaw companies, everybody's kind

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 10>of everybody's kind of surrounding the company, and you know,

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:43.200
<v Speaker 10>what's this guy going to do to save himself? And it's, uh,

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 10>you know, he's gonna he's gonna have Everything's it's a

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 10>guy in a suit, right, but it's it's it's really Bigfoot,

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 10>and uh we open it with Bigfoot and rehab, so it.

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<v Speaker 1>Rehab.

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<v Speaker 10>That's that's how we open it, so give you any

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<v Speaker 10>kind of an idea of what kind of story this

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<v Speaker 10>is gonna be.

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<v Speaker 4>How did did Bigfoot get in the business through like

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<v Speaker 4>Terrible Ted the Wrestling Bear, or like did he approach

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 4>Jesse Barr or Sandy Bar or something like? Is there

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 4>an origin story in here on how Bigfoot broke into

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 4>the business.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, the first issue is the origin story of how

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 10>it all comes to be, and that's uh. And then

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 10>we will get into, you know, the next couple issues.

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 10>We'll deal with the you know what happens from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, did you or did Gang Grell come up with

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>the storyline here or was this a joint effort?

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 10>This is a joint effort. Yeah, I uh so, you know,

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 10>I do tell us from the road and uh we uh.

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 10>The first time I met Dave when he was next

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 10>to me at a comic con and I asked him

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:48.799
<v Speaker 10>if she wanted to do a story and he's like,

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 10>he's like yeah, he goes, we just put you know,

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:54.720
<v Speaker 10>one word in your one word in your brain's like Bigfoot.

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 10>And then we spent the whole rest of the show

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 10>just kind of going back and forth about stuff and

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 10>h you know, he is right next to me. So

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 10>we just shoot ideas back and forth and we had

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 10>a pretty viable I feel like we had a pretty

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 10>viable story by the end of the first day. It's

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 10>just undergone some tweaking and whatnot, but it's uh, you know.

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 10>So we did like a six page little short story

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 10>for this as like a you know, years ago, and

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 10>we had so much fun doing it. We're like, you know,

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 10>we could make this a whole series. And then in

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 10>twenty nineteen, there was an upstart comic book company. They

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 10>were going to do digital comics with like like sounds

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 10>and effects and stuff to it, like almost motion comics

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.400
<v Speaker 10>but not really, and they were going to pay us

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 10>an absurd amount of money to be part of their launch.

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 10>It was like all these like top tier comics guys,

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 10>and then you know, me and Dave doing this wrestling

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 10>thing because they, you know, unlike a lot of people

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 10>in comics, they understood the whole the wrestling crossover. And

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 10>then they went out of business or the investors all

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 10>pulled out. The pandemic started, which is insane because that

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 10>was your moment. You're doing digital comics. People are stuck

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 10>at home.

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>But oh, they would have made a bank Oh my god.

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 10>People with money are generally some of the dumbest people

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 10>I know, like with that kind of money. But so yeah,

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 10>so unfortunately, So then they kind of sat for a

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 10>little bit, and then you know, we just kept talking

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.800
<v Speaker 10>about I see David shows all the time and stuff,

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 10>and he texted whatever. I was like, Yeah, let's just

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 10>let's just do it ourselves. You know, I feel like

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 10>it's had a ton of it's had a ton of enthusiasm.

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 10>You don't want to talk about it to people and stuff.

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 10>So we just figured we would give it a shot

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 10>and see if we could just build it ourselves.

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>So Gan Grell obviously does a vampire gimmicks I mean,

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 1>is he is? He big time into the paranormal. I

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 1>don't think I've ever interviewed the guy he is.

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 10>Yes, he's a big I mean big big Foot enthusiasts,

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 10>big you know, paranormal excellent paranormal guy. So it's funny

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 10>that I happen to have two books out right now

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 10>that are co created by guys with vampire gimmings.

0:36:58.200 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's right.

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 10>I have a Vamperio comic out too.

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, now, you know, I obviously do After Dark Radio.

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>We have a paranormal show which is moving to Sports

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Byline January eighth, everybody, and I learned a long time

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 1>ago that there is a big cross over here wrestling

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>fans and paranormal fans. I mean, like, I don't even

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>pick the guests. Andrew Lutsky is my producer, and he

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>picks the guests. And I think we've only done like

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>four or five guests since I relaunched it. But like,

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.839
<v Speaker 1>of those four or five guests, like at least two

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of them, we ended up talking about wrestling afterwards because

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>they were like big wrestling guys. I had no idea

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 1>till it was over. So there seems to be a

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>cross over here.

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 10>I mean, that's that's the hope. And I think it

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 10>would be fun to maybe take a year and do

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 10>you know, obviously do comic cons almost every weekend. I

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 10>think it would be interesting to try to pepper in

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 10>some some big Foot festivals and stuff like that. I

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 10>feel like it would just be a fun vibe to

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 10>you know, to just don't know, mix up the mix

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 10>up the show a little bit.

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, hey, if you want to do Bigfoot conventions, I

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 1>mean I'm your man. I mean literally, there's one at

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>least every month in this area up here, and they're like,

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 1>they're they're pretty, they're shockingly big. Actually, I guess not

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>shockingly because I'm in the Pacific Northwest. But so this

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>this Kickstarter, I mean, is it ending today.

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 10>Ends tomorrow at eight pm Eastern time. And we've got

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 10>a lot of cool stuff. We've got four really cool covers.

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 10>We have metal versions, like limited edition metal versions, and

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 10>we've got a shirt and Tumblr drink Tumblr that have

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:41.439
<v Speaker 10>a really cool design that but I'm very happy about

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 10>it static. It's one of the coolest things that we've made.

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not really like a wrestling T shirt guy.

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 1>I have like none except ones that we make for

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the site. But I will say that this this shirt

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>here with the Patterson Gimblin bigfoot dragging a chair and

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 1>underneath it says hay Fame. That's right up my alley.

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I would wear that shirt. I would buy multiple actually

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>of that shirt. So that's a good one. That's when

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 1>you could wear anywhere.

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<v Speaker 10>I think, I agree. I agree, I uh, And that's

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 10>it's like that design is I don't know. I just

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 10>working on with Doug Hills who does Tails from the

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<v Speaker 10>Road with me and we're just kicking ournd ideas and

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<v Speaker 10>then it's just this is one of those things where

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<v Speaker 10>just sometimes things click and you're just like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 10>how did I not see this before? But I was happy.

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<v Speaker 10>I was happy you came up with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael. For those people who are new to you, who

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<v Speaker 4>were some of your artistic favorites, and did you grow

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<v Speaker 4>up with comic books and wrestling magazines or you know,

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.359
<v Speaker 4>how did you end up getting to this point where

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<v Speaker 4>things crossed over and merged for you?

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<v Speaker 10>I love them both. Right about the same time. The

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 10>very first Saturday It's Made event was my entree into wrestling.

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.240
<v Speaker 10>George's Animal Steele was the man who made me stop

0:39:56.239 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 10>flipping channels for a minute. And then and I, you know,

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 10>I just bought comics off the spinner rocks and stuff,

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<v Speaker 10>and then I got super into it and I realized

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 10>that nobody ever made good wrestling comics. They just made

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.280
<v Speaker 10>i don't know, like hacked out license things and stuff

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 10>like that. And uh so then I just started I

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 10>started headlocked comics, and I started selling my books out

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 10>of my backpack at wrestling shows and just sort of

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 10>built a grassroots thing and making comics for fifteen years.

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 10>I'm in the middle of seven projects right now with

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 10>the ridiculous names, and we just our Vampira series just

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:38.919
<v Speaker 10>got just got picked up for television development. The third

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 10>issues out in stores today, by the way. But it's

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<v Speaker 10>one of my it's one of my favorite things. These

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.760
<v Speaker 10>two series are two of my favorite things that I've written,

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.720
<v Speaker 10>just because the I don't know, I like a little

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 10>bit of absurdity, and I've been I've been doing a

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 10>little more straightly stuff, so this is fun to be

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 10>able to kind of dabble in some other genres.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you got four different covers right here, and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the I presume illustrators listed underneath. No Jerry the

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>King Wall or he didn't do a big Foot cover.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh No, Unfortunately, h Jerry can't draw anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I was gonna ask how he's doing. He

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<v Speaker 1>can't draw it all.

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 10>I mean, not to his standards, you know what I mean,

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 10>Like he was, it's I think it's hard for him

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 10>to I think he can draw, but I think he

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 10>can't draw to the standards that he would consider acceptable.

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:31.800
<v Speaker 10>And I think it's just another like it's just a

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<v Speaker 10>reinforces kind of what he's lost. Yeah, I think he's

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 10>lost a ton. I mean he's you know, I just

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 10>spent a couple of weeks with him in a week. Well,

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.720
<v Speaker 10>I spent a week with in Memphis and then wearing

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 10>Galaxy con Columbus a couple of weeks ago, and I

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 10>mean he's you know, he's still fine, like you know,

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 10>just he just can't draw like you know, when he was.

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 10>I mean he was top tier, like one percent, you know,

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 10>grade egg whatever. And I think it's it's tough to

0:41:58.239 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 10>lose that.

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<v Speaker 1>So so so if somebody didn't know about what had

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>happened and they ran into him at a convention, I

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>mean would they would they not even think anything? It's like, oh,

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 1>he's he's doing all right?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean he's older, you know, it's you know,

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 10>but I mean, yeah, he's fine. I mean he's sometimes

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 10>he uh, you know, his words like I think a

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 10>lot of the you know, stroke survivors or whatever, his

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 10>words are a little hard to come by sometimes. But

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 10>I mean that's been improving little by little since since

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 10>it happened. So yeah, that's just uh. I mean he's

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.879
<v Speaker 10>a seventy five year old guy too, so well yeah,

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 10>but I think for for a seventy five year old guy.

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:39.919
<v Speaker 10>He's he's going pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you talked about a lot of the hustle that

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 4>you had to go through to kind of build what

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 4>you've been doing, and you've been able to cross over

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 4>and work with a lot of folks and put out

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 4>some really great work. I do have some here, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>from the times you've been on is there anybody that

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 4>has approached you that you haven't had time to work

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 4>with that you really would like to do or vice versa.

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 4>Is there somebody that you have wanted to approach but

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 4>it's just a matter of timing.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, right now, I am up to my neck

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.919
<v Speaker 10>in projects, so I haven't really been able to think.

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 10>I mean, in my my brain doesn't stop thinking. I mean,

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 10>I already have another sort of idea that I want

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.960
<v Speaker 10>to develop. But I have a volume five of Headlocks.

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.359
<v Speaker 10>I have volume four, Tails in the Road, Vampiro's got

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:33.919
<v Speaker 10>more issues, and then you know, we got Bigfoot, and

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 10>I'm working on a I haven't announced it yet, but

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 10>I'm working on a project with as w W talent,

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 10>and I'm working on a biocomic too, So I'm running

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 10>for my life. Unfortunately, the changes that have happened when

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 10>social media have made it so much more difficult for me.

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 10>You know, a lot of Kickstarter is through social media,

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 10>just getting the word out and stuff like that. And

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.760
<v Speaker 10>I mean, like we used to get like seventy five

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 10>to like one hundred and fifty backers through Twitter links,

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 10>and I think I have eleven right now. Like, I mean,

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 10>it's just been throttled to death. And you know, Facebook

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 10>is tough. I have a friend who's back all of

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 10>my kickstarters who literally just hurt, you know, and I

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 10>post about it on Facebook every day too, and he

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 10>just saw yesterday for the first time, so you know,

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 10>one day before the end. So I mean everything's been

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 10>throttled and then fragmented and stuff. So it's really hard

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:33.840
<v Speaker 10>to get in front of people like it used to be.

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.879
<v Speaker 10>And I don't know, and then WW just being such

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 10>a monster and everybody's putting out so much content, Like

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 10>it's tougher for me as a as an independent to

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 10>just you know, kind of get bannedwidth sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, we'll stand by a way back in a moment

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<v Speaker 1>to get a plug. Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:12.240
<v Speaker 2>and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Back going the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike smber VV, also of Wrestling Observer dot com. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Kingston joining us Headlocked Comics. We've got a Bigfoot comic

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.320
<v Speaker 1>that is currently being funded for the next eighteen hours,

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and Michael, let's get some plugs in about how people

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.319
<v Speaker 1>can find it and how they can help.

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:37.720
<v Speaker 10>You can go to Kickstarter and just search Friday Night Bigfoot.

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 10>It'll come up. We are in the last bit of

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 10>the campaign. We need as much support as possible. We

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 10>really got high hopes for the series, and a lot

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:49.839
<v Speaker 10>of these covers are only going to be available through

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 10>the campaign. Obviously not the main cover, but the variants

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 10>and stuff. So you know, I've already had a couple

0:45:56.040 --> 0:46:00.799
<v Speaker 10>of people sniffing around Hollywood friends and stuff. You know,

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 10>get in early.

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it'll be worth something that actually that this would

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 1>be an incredible film. This could be the Harry and

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:11.959
<v Speaker 1>the Henderson's of our generation. Remember that movie. That movie

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.800
<v Speaker 1>was horrible. Yes, this is one would have to be better,

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>but yes, everyone check it out. It's some on my

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Twitter at Bryan Alvarez and uh and Headlock Comics as well.

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, even if even if a a comic

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:28.719
<v Speaker 1>gets to the goal, I mean, you know, anything above that,

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.360
<v Speaker 1>it's still extremely helpful. Right, We're not just trying to

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 1>hit what the what the goal is and then be

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 1>done with it.

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 10>Oh no, no, I mean I never asked for everything

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.919
<v Speaker 10>I need. I mean it's but also I mean, anything

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 10>we make extra just goes right back into the next book.

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 10>It gets us ahead. You know. It's nobody gets into

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 10>comics to get rich. I just want to. I just

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 10>want to make comics and you know, do what I

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 10>do and have fun. So it's uh yeah, I go

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 10>pay my artists, pays my printer, you know, pays for

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 10>the merch and and then we start with the next one.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're at a time oone it. Thanks so

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>much for doing the show today. Guys can check it

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:08.960
<v Speaker 1>out on my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, Headlock Comics as

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>well search Kickstarter and Michael. Thanks so much for doing

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the show today. Thanks everybody for listening, the other mics

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>always Schollers and listeners every the studio. We'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you next time. Wrestling Observer Live you have been listening

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