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Speaker 1: We had NXT last night, and last night they actually
Speaker 1: taped two episodes of NXT. They did the live show
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Speaker 1: be all wrapped up. And well, I'm not gonna do spoilers,
Speaker 1: but I did. It's one of those nights where before
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Speaker 1: wait till you see this Javan segment, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: And the show Brain Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live Mike
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Speaker 4: Don't do it. Don't fight that battle.
Speaker 1: Don't I'm not even starting on that. Don't tell me
Speaker 1: what I'm starting with?
Speaker 4: How dare you?
Speaker 1: I was supposed to do a meeting yesterday right when
Speaker 1: this show started. You know what happened? Here we go,
Speaker 1: Nothing happened. I waited and I waited, and I waited,
Speaker 1: and I emailed and I texted and I waited. I
Speaker 1: waited all the way through the show. I could have
Speaker 1: done the show yesterday. And then I waited and I waited.
Speaker 1: Six thirty Eastern I finally get an email. Oh I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we're gonna try again tomorrow. But I made
Speaker 1: it abundantly clear I'm out of here at eleven fifty
Speaker 1: five Pacific because I got a show to do. So
Speaker 1: I hear you held down the fort fairly well, yes,
Speaker 1: so I was actually listening to a lot of it.
Speaker 1: I heard what you said. Hello, Yeah, it's going out
Speaker 1: with my headphones now.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's those Sony's you got there.
Speaker 1: That was week the brand new I'm not evenna get
Speaker 1: into the Tony Storm thing from yesterday.
Speaker 4: No wait, no, no, I was looking in the Twitch
Speaker 4: chat before we started here and apparently, no.
Speaker 1: Don't you're going Why are you trying to go down
Speaker 1: this road? I'm not going down this road.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm I'm just pointing out to you that Chelsea
Speaker 4: Green is Oh God is uh is big on social
Speaker 4: and you are playing by falling into what these people
Speaker 4: want you moving on.
Speaker 1: In a new investigative piece out Wednesday, former ESPN Senior
Speaker 1: VP of Production and current WA Head of Median Production,
Speaker 1: Lee Fitting was fired by his former employer after being
Speaker 1: accused of years of misconduct behind the scenes, which included
Speaker 1: both sexually suggestive comments and objectifying comments towards women. WWE,
Speaker 1: owned by TKO, did not provide a comment to the
Speaker 1: athletics last New York Times. Fitting was hired by WWE
Speaker 1: in January after being fired by ESPN Disney late August
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Had been working for over twenty five years,
Speaker 1: headed up the popular college Game Day show. Complaint was
Speaker 1: made to ESPN's HR department regarding Fitting, which led to
Speaker 1: a further investigation. He was fired shortly thereafter. The three spokesperson,
Speaker 1: the forty nine year old denied some of the allegations
Speaker 1: to the media outlet, while not addressing others. He also
Speaker 1: declined to comment on the broader characterization of him as
Speaker 1: someone who mistreated women during his tenure at ESPN or
Speaker 1: why he was let go by the network outlets spoke
Speaker 1: to more than twenty women since, six of which were
Speaker 1: talked to as part of the investigation. Among the accusations,
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, while around employees, he commented on a
Speaker 1: non employee's ability to chug beer, opine she would be
Speaker 1: good at oral sex. He denied this happening. Twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: he offered up his lap for a woman to sit
Speaker 1: after there were no remaining chairs in a production meeting.
Speaker 1: He denied this happening. He sent a text to a
Speaker 1: female employee twenty eighteen that read, quote, you look hot.
Speaker 1: Apparently that one was not denied. He made jokes about
Speaker 1: performing bed checks and jokingly jokingly in quotations as the
Speaker 1: female staffer for her hotel room number. He denied this happening.
Speaker 1: He discussed and bragged about he and his wife's sex life.
Speaker 1: Apparently that was not quote. When he saw a woman
Speaker 1: in an outfit he liked, he let her know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: in ways women and other employees found crude and or humiliating,
Speaker 1: and around twenty seventeen, an employee asked to meet with
Speaker 1: fitting in New York City to discuss opportunities. She claimed
Speaker 1: he asked if he should go get a hotel room
Speaker 1: for the night, which she interpreted as a room for
Speaker 1: the two of them. He said she misinterpreted the claim
Speaker 1: and that he was asking if he should get a
Speaker 1: conference room. To the allegations of him commenting on women's looks, hairstyles, outfits,
Speaker 1: his spokesperson leaf fitting has a spokesperson said quote, it
Speaker 1: was his job to provide feedback to male and female
Speaker 1: on air talent regarding their appearance and on air delivery.
Speaker 1: Things begin to turn against him in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: after he scandal broke regarding falsified submissions for Emmy Awards,
Speaker 1: which led to College Game Day getting thirty statues. They
Speaker 1: never actually won what?
Speaker 4: Okay, that situation this is above, didn't they got thirty thirty? Yeah,
Speaker 4: but there's an asterixk on what that is. Because you
Speaker 4: get an Emmy Award, the hosts don't get one, believe
Speaker 4: it or not. So let's say this show was to
Speaker 4: win an Emmy Award, we wouldn't actually win the Emmy.
Speaker 4: Jared would win the Emmy, Dom would win the Emmy,
Speaker 4: Daniel would win the Emmy. All those people. So what
Speaker 4: he did was he would kind of like fudge names.
Speaker 4: So if the person's name was I don't know, who's
Speaker 4: somebody on ESPN, you know, Andrea Kramer or whatever it
Speaker 4: would say, like Andy Kremer or something. That's what he
Speaker 4: did to change the name so that the talent would
Speaker 4: actually receive statues. That's why he did that. So is
Speaker 4: it something I guess moral to do. No? Is it
Speaker 4: in the grand scheme of things, the worst thing in
Speaker 4: the world. No. In fact, it's kind of silly, and
Speaker 4: it's a really silly rule that they have. Now there's
Speaker 4: this other stuff which is completely different, as Brian types away.
Speaker 1: Now, noh, yeah, I gotta figure something out.
Speaker 4: Here at the vae.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on a second. Here, here's here's my question
Speaker 1: for Lea fitting. Okay, so if you look behind me,
Speaker 1: I got a YouTube plaque. Okay, yes, we got for
Speaker 1: for one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: when you're watching on YouTube right now, go and hit
Speaker 1: that subscribe button.
Speaker 4: Thank you subscribe.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they sent the plaque and then there's like
Speaker 1: a little piece of paper that's like if you want
Speaker 1: to order additional plaques, yes, like you can. You want
Speaker 1: one for Mike, you want one for Dave, you want
Speaker 1: one for Vinnie, You want one for dom whoever? Like
Speaker 1: it can be done that way. So you tell me
Speaker 1: that this guy there were Emmys and he wanted to
Speaker 1: get these Emmy statues for the other people involved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he like, okay, here's my question. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: All the Express A good, All the Express eighty seven
Speaker 1: ninety five. I mean, why couldn't he have just gone
Speaker 1: and bought like a bunch of replicas. That was your
Speaker 1: solution to get everybody else an Emmy statue was to
Speaker 1: fudge everything.
Speaker 4: Brian, because they're replicas. It's like somebody getting a replica
Speaker 4: super Bowl ring. No, you want to have the actual
Speaker 4: Tiffany or whoever makes these things. And it is kind
Speaker 4: of ridiculous that they have a separate role for hosts
Speaker 4: and for the show when it's not all about technical
Speaker 4: when it comes to the show, it's about the overall show,
Speaker 4: which includes the host. So it's one of those silly
Speaker 4: things when it comes to the Emmy Awards that he
Speaker 4: was just trying to do a workaround so the people
Speaker 4: like a Laura Rutledge would get credit for her work
Speaker 4: on a show or whoever it.
Speaker 1: Would be well anyway, multiple people said they ascribe to
Speaker 1: an HR official instances in which they believe Fitting engaged
Speaker 1: in inappropriate conduct and are discriminated against women. Two current
Speaker 1: ESPN executives briefed about the result of the investigation said
Speaker 1: the findings gave the company a little choice but to
Speaker 1: let Fitting go. Fitting through a spokesperson the client to
Speaker 1: address why his employment was terminated by ESPN. No comment
Speaker 1: from WWE yet. We'll see if we get any.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that now leads because that was
Speaker 4: the big story about Fitting from before, and it made
Speaker 4: for a big headline like this guy falsified things. Then
Speaker 4: you looked at the story and you found it to
Speaker 4: be kind of like this is kind of a ridiculous technicality,
Speaker 4: kind of a dumb thing. Now all of this adds
Speaker 4: some big layers on and for ESPN it's bad because
Speaker 4: ESPN's got a history of these sorts of things. Anyway,
Speaker 4: there's that book that's out. You know, those guys have
Speaker 4: all the fun and they've tried to move past a
Speaker 4: lot of this, but there always seems to be something
Speaker 4: that takes place there Steve Phillips situation. There's always something
Speaker 4: that seems to take place, So that's bad for them.
Speaker 4: The environment that they've gotten, and then you look at
Speaker 4: where he went to WWE, that was trying to shed
Speaker 4: themselves of a lot of that stuff. And obviously this
Speaker 4: is going to be a sticking point here when it
Speaker 4: comes to the media and how people perceive WWE and
Speaker 4: moving forward. If they have Lee fitting over here, if
Speaker 4: they did those if he did those things. At the
Speaker 4: very least, what you can say about the things that
Speaker 4: you said were that he got way too familiar with
Speaker 4: his his on air talent. That's the least you can
Speaker 4: say about what they have. It could be worse than that.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not. We'll have to find out, and it's
Speaker 4: going to be interesting to see how TKO now deals
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll be back in a moment and dom if
Speaker 1: you and Byline want to get me and Mike replical
Speaker 1: Marconi's I ain't gonna complain all the express back in
Speaker 1: a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Simper VV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Networks.
Speaker 1: Man, I cannot find a replica Marcon.
Speaker 4: I actually have to win one.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Do you still give out Marconi?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a twenty twenty four Marconi winner. It happens.
Speaker 1: Damn yes, hey, listen to the next segment. I should
Speaker 1: mention we got a special guest, Michael Kingston On got
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about, including Bigfoot. I'll explain later.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, last night's NXT this was a classic example,
Speaker 1: a classic example of one of those shows where everybody
Speaker 1: starts emailing me, oh man, Brian's gonna lose it? Can
Speaker 1: do you?
Speaker 4: Can you?
Speaker 1: Did you see what they did to Javan? I can't
Speaker 1: believe it? And I watched it. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: that was awesome, Like I got no problem with that whatsoever,
Speaker 1: because he's in a feud now. So what happened was, well,
Speaker 1: you got poor, uh poor what's his face? Ethan Page?
Speaker 1: He's all sad, he's just losing right and left and
Speaker 1: he's he's uh, they're in Lowell, Massachusetts. You knew this
Speaker 1: was gonna happen? Did anyone not know this was gonna happen? Anybody?
Speaker 1: So he's in he's in Lowell and he comes down
Speaker 1: to the ring and he has lost his smile, just
Speaker 1: like Sean Michaels did in Lowell, Massachusetts, like twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago. So he comes out and he's all sad
Speaker 1: and he's talking about his family, and like the fans
Speaker 1: aren't buying one second of this. They don't believe this
Speaker 1: guy for one second.
Speaker 4: It's because he didn't get beat up by a marine.
Speaker 1: They're booing him and he's he's acting like he's about
Speaker 1: to quit. And uh, thirty five years ago, that old
Speaker 1: that wasn't thirty five, I wasn't ten, it was it
Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 4: You weren't ten thirty five years ago.
Speaker 1: Full, it was thirty years ago.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Anyway, The point is this out comes Javon Evans, and man,
Speaker 1: is there a bigger Javon Evans fan than me? Clearly,
Speaker 1: no one reals, no one that works, there's a bigger fan.
Speaker 1: It's like this guy is he's so great in the ring.
Speaker 1: He's got so much charisma that people love this guy
Speaker 1: and they just like treat him like anyway, you know
Speaker 1: what else this guy can do. His brother can cut
Speaker 1: a promo. Oh my god, he comes out here and
Speaker 1: he does his promo about you know what, you came
Speaker 1: here and all you did was brag and talk about
Speaker 1: your accomplishments. But you know what that's not really you.
Speaker 1: I know the real Ethan Page. I saw the real
Speaker 1: Ethan Page at heat Wave. Not what you did in
Speaker 1: the match, but what you did after the match. You
Speaker 1: won that title, and you looked at your family and
Speaker 1: you told them I love you, and not everybody can
Speaker 1: do that. That smile you had, that proud dad smile,
Speaker 1: that proud husband smile, the smile of a guy who
Speaker 1: just busted. Is you know what for eighteen years to
Speaker 1: get here where he deserves to be. You deserve to
Speaker 1: be here. So from now on you should drop that
Speaker 1: all ego. These fans here, they want to see the
Speaker 1: real you. And if nobody else here is gonna say it,
Speaker 1: because they're not gonna all say it, I am proud
Speaker 1: of you, and I mean that from the bottom of
Speaker 1: my heart. I was crying. I was like, man, what
Speaker 1: a what a promo? What a promo?
Speaker 4: What a promo?
Speaker 1: Cole Lee And then Ethan takes the mic and he
Speaker 1: hits him in the face and they did the blood gimmick,
Speaker 1: and man, I don't know if this guy like he
Speaker 1: hits he hits Javan and Javon goes down and so
Speaker 1: Ethan goes outside to get like a chair or whatever
Speaker 1: for the distraction, so you can't see whatever. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they like slid him a thing this big
Speaker 1: of cranberry juice. This guy had gallons of fake blood
Speaker 1: in his mouth. And Ethan puts his chair around his
Speaker 1: face and he stomps on it. And dude, I've been
Speaker 1: watching Mid South and it's a guy's name Cowboy, you
Speaker 1: stop already, shut up.
Speaker 4: He's the Asian guy.
Speaker 1: And he puts the thing on the guy's neck and
Speaker 1: they also killer, oh massa eito or something. Anyway, Uh,
Speaker 1: that's not what happened here. He pilmanized this guy's neck. An,
Speaker 1: you want no story, I'm gonna tell you a story.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna tell you what happened here, because
Speaker 1: you know, Van and I are spirit animals. Something similar,
Speaker 1: something similar. This is to happen to Javon last night,
Speaker 1: happened to me. So this was this was probably twenty
Speaker 1: years ago. This is this is the opposite of medical advice.
Speaker 1: This is the opposite of medical What I did never
Speaker 1: do this, Okay. So what I was doing was I
Speaker 1: would go no carb for several days and then I
Speaker 1: would have a carb up day. Okay, So you know
Speaker 1: I was doing no carbs, no carbs, no car but
Speaker 1: well it's car carb up day. So what I did
Speaker 1: was I got a whole bunch of kool Aid packets,
Speaker 1: straight pure sugar and red number five or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: which is probably poisonous. So I just I made up
Speaker 1: this thing of kool aid, a gallon, a gallon of
Speaker 1: kool Aid. And the idea was, I was going to
Speaker 1: go and do my last hard workout for the week,
Speaker 1: and then I was going to begin my carbup and
Speaker 1: I was gonna start by drinking a gallon of kool Aid.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 1: So I went in and I worked out because it
Speaker 1: was my last one before my car bup. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna have this kool Aid. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: eat doughnuts. This is the wrong way to do this everybody,
Speaker 1: but I was young. So I went in there and
Speaker 1: I worked out real hard, and I came outside and
Speaker 1: I was all ready for that kool aid, and I
Speaker 1: started chugging kool Aid. Now the issue was not just
Speaker 1: that I was chugging kool aid. But for those of
Speaker 1: you that have ever worked out, you know sometimes you
Speaker 1: have that workout, we're like, you push it a little
Speaker 1: further and you're like right on the verge of you know,
Speaker 1: I actually, I actually I pushed it so hard I
Speaker 1: might I might throw up. So I you know, I
Speaker 1: cooled down, walked it off, got over that part where
Speaker 1: you know I may throw up. Well, then I started
Speaker 1: drinking that kool aid and I drank or in the
Speaker 1: parking lot, I drank and I drank, and I drank,
Speaker 1: and I drank and I drank and I drank, and
Speaker 1: I realized I made a real big mistake. And right
Speaker 1: there in the parking lot, I opened the driver's side
Speaker 1: door and I vomited out a gallon of bright red liquid.
Speaker 1: I can't believe nobody called, like the paramedics or got
Speaker 1: like the airlifting coming in. I mean I it was
Speaker 1: probably the most horrific thing anyone had ever seen. If
Speaker 1: anybody saw it, tell me guy opened the opened up
Speaker 1: the door and just appeared to vomit a gallon of
Speaker 1: blood after working out at the gym. Well, this is
Speaker 1: exactly what Javon did when they stomped that guy's face.
Speaker 1: He didn't just start spinning blood. He vomited red blood everywhere.
Speaker 1: And I watched that. I thought, if there's there's any
Speaker 1: child watching this program, that child will never be the same.
Speaker 1: They will never ever, they will never be the same
Speaker 1: after seeing him getting pilmanized and spewing blood every bro
Speaker 1: I have two kids. If Paisley saw that, it would
Speaker 1: be years of therapy, Oh my, years of therapy to
Speaker 1: get over that one.
Speaker 4: Jesus, don't show her the corner.
Speaker 1: That's a fireball, dude, that's not vomiting blood out of
Speaker 1: your mouth after getting your neck pilmanized. So anyway, he's dead.
Speaker 1: They got rid of him, took him out of there.
Speaker 1: But I thought that was an amazing segment. Was going
Speaker 1: to lie.
Speaker 4: Although you are way overstating the amount of blood. You're
Speaker 4: acting as if he was vomiting blood.
Speaker 1: It's spewed everywhere.
Speaker 4: That was the thing. It was the splatter more than
Speaker 4: the amountain. Yes, and how he sold it and it
Speaker 4: was very well done. It was very well filmed. But
Speaker 4: he is not like looking it up as if he's
Speaker 4: the uh the kid from what was it the uh
Speaker 4: Possessed movie or whatnot? You know, and hey listen sitting
Speaker 4: out like.
Speaker 1: It was so graphic that like when they like they
Speaker 1: quickly went to commercial, and I was like, they're gonna
Speaker 1: come back and they're gonna show the aftermath. They are
Speaker 1: not going to replay that, and I was wrong. Of
Speaker 1: course he replayed it again.
Speaker 4: Dub Brother, Prama, Lee, Horror. You gotta build it up,
Speaker 4: Trick Williams with thoughts in prayers immediately in the promo
Speaker 4: following you, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He should have. And speaking of Trick, the main event
Speaker 1: of the show. So Eddie Thorpe, he finagled his way
Speaker 1: in to that title match tonight in the Great Angle
Speaker 1: of NXT in twenty twenty four, and so I will say,
Speaker 1: they're doing the match, and it's so they only got
Speaker 1: like twelve minutes even less actually, and there's a commercial
Speaker 1: break in the middle, and man, I gotta say they
Speaker 1: came back. And I was like, this is the most
Speaker 1: nothing happened in title match, Like what a nothing happened
Speaker 1: in pay off? I was like really disappointed. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the referee took a bump and
Speaker 1: Eddie hits a paradigm shift, steals Moxley's finish and makes
Speaker 1: the cover and he gets a ten second visual pinfall.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I guess they got an out
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then another referee runs in and Eddie
Speaker 1: hits two El generico running kicks in the corner steal
Speaker 1: in everyone's spots. He goes for the third one, he
Speaker 1: eats the trick knee, Trick falls on top of him.
Speaker 1: You know how you guys are always like, oh, Sean's
Speaker 1: living out all is this or that? And lost my
Speaker 1: smile and whatever. Nobody even noticed what this was. They
Speaker 1: had a very very famous match with Shawn Michaels and
Speaker 1: Triple H might have even been like that hour long
Speaker 1: match or whatever, but this was the finish where Sean
Speaker 1: hit the super kick, fell on top of him, but
Speaker 1: he falls on top of him too far, so his
Speaker 1: shoulders are on the mat. They did that exact same
Speaker 1: thing with Trick, and the referees both count a pin
Speaker 1: and they clear them both the winner, and then they
Speaker 1: go to Ava and the show goes off the air.
Speaker 1: You know, the show goes off the air with classic
Speaker 1: Ava has to make a decision. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I never read spoilers, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta figure out what decision Ava makes because they
Speaker 1: did this. They did this second taping afterwards. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's got to be like the dumbest thing ever like
Speaker 1: I'm giving you both a new belt, or it's like
Speaker 1: it asked me something stupid. She actually made the right call,
Speaker 1: which I won't spoil here, but yeah, I thought overall
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Speaker 1: Kingston coming up, so we got to talk about that.
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERVVI on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: The show Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike SIMPERVB
Speaker 1: also of Wrestling Observer dot Com, Michael Kingson joining us
Speaker 1: here today.
Speaker 4: We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 10: How you doing, uh, doing good? Doing good? Run the
Speaker 10: final stages of this campaign, So just no sleep till
Speaker 10: the end.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to to tweet this out, but Twitter sucks.
Speaker 1: It's like not working right now. But I think it
Speaker 1: finally did go out. If you guys want to go
Speaker 1: to my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, my ex We've got
Speaker 1: the link about how you can donate, how you can
Speaker 1: help support this a Kickstarter. You and Gangrel Gangrel have
Speaker 1: co written a comic about a promoter who trains Bigfoot
Speaker 1: to wrestle in Portland in nineteen eighty five, the same
Speaker 1: as same as family owned promotion from bankruptcy.
Speaker 4: Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Oh you went underwater? Try that again? Can you confirm
Speaker 1: that that's correct?
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, Bigfoot is recruited this this this could almost be
Speaker 1: a true story if there were like a Bigfoot, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm.
Speaker 10: Saying sort of the time. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 10: of you know, I like all the territory stuff, you know. Obviously,
Speaker 10: while there does my covers, I spend a lot of
Speaker 10: time talking to him and you know whatever, So there's
Speaker 10: a lot of there's a lot of It really could
Speaker 10: be a real story, like it it's grounded against a
Speaker 10: lot of realities. Obviously the names are changed whatever it's
Speaker 10: not you know, it's not a word for word retelling.
Speaker 10: But there's a lot of the factors that are sort
Speaker 10: of occurring, you know, in that time period that you know,
Speaker 10: it's sort of you know, and then Bigfoot is the
Speaker 10: answer to everyone's problems. But yeah, it's I try to
Speaker 10: I try to write absurd things, but like keep the
Speaker 10: keep the stuff authentic and grounded. As much as that
Speaker 10: sounds weird.
Speaker 1: A threat of reality to Bigfoot being recruited basically.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean it's basically, uh, you know,
Speaker 10: it's Portland Wrestling at nineteen eighty five and you know,
Speaker 10: Gottera means coming in, and you've got drugs coming into
Speaker 10: to Portland. You've got you know, outlaw companies, everybody's kind
Speaker 10: of everybody's kind of surrounding the company, and you know,
Speaker 10: what's this guy going to do to save himself? And it's, uh,
Speaker 10: you know, he's gonna he's gonna have Everything's it's a
Speaker 10: guy in a suit, right, but it's it's it's really Bigfoot,
Speaker 10: and uh we open it with Bigfoot and rehab, so it.
Speaker 1: Rehab.
Speaker 10: That's that's how we open it, so give you any
Speaker 10: kind of an idea of what kind of story this
Speaker 10: is gonna be.
Speaker 4: How did did Bigfoot get in the business through like
Speaker 4: Terrible Ted the Wrestling Bear, or like did he approach
Speaker 4: Jesse Barr or Sandy Bar or something like? Is there
Speaker 4: an origin story in here on how Bigfoot broke into
Speaker 4: the business.
Speaker 10: Yes, the first issue is the origin story of how
Speaker 10: it all comes to be, and that's uh. And then
Speaker 10: we will get into, you know, the next couple issues.
Speaker 10: We'll deal with the you know what happens from there.
Speaker 1: Now, did you or did Gang Grell come up with
Speaker 1: the storyline here or was this a joint effort?
Speaker 10: This is a joint effort. Yeah, I uh so, you know,
Speaker 10: I do tell us from the road and uh we uh.
Speaker 10: The first time I met Dave when he was next
Speaker 10: to me at a comic con and I asked him
Speaker 10: if she wanted to do a story and he's like,
Speaker 10: he's like yeah, he goes, we just put you know,
Speaker 10: one word in your one word in your brain's like Bigfoot.
Speaker 10: And then we spent the whole rest of the show
Speaker 10: just kind of going back and forth about stuff and
Speaker 10: h you know, he is right next to me. So
Speaker 10: we just shoot ideas back and forth and we had
Speaker 10: a pretty viable I feel like we had a pretty
Speaker 10: viable story by the end of the first day. It's
Speaker 10: just undergone some tweaking and whatnot, but it's uh, you know.
Speaker 10: So we did like a six page little short story
Speaker 10: for this as like a you know, years ago, and
Speaker 10: we had so much fun doing it. We're like, you know,
Speaker 10: we could make this a whole series. And then in
Speaker 10: twenty nineteen, there was an upstart comic book company. They
Speaker 10: were going to do digital comics with like like sounds
Speaker 10: and effects and stuff to it, like almost motion comics
Speaker 10: but not really, and they were going to pay us
Speaker 10: an absurd amount of money to be part of their launch.
Speaker 10: It was like all these like top tier comics guys,
Speaker 10: and then you know, me and Dave doing this wrestling
Speaker 10: thing because they, you know, unlike a lot of people
Speaker 10: in comics, they understood the whole the wrestling crossover. And
Speaker 10: then they went out of business or the investors all
Speaker 10: pulled out. The pandemic started, which is insane because that
Speaker 10: was your moment. You're doing digital comics. People are stuck
Speaker 10: at home.
Speaker 1: But oh, they would have made a bank Oh my god.
Speaker 10: People with money are generally some of the dumbest people
Speaker 10: I know, like with that kind of money. But so yeah,
Speaker 10: so unfortunately, So then they kind of sat for a
Speaker 10: little bit, and then you know, we just kept talking
Speaker 10: about I see David shows all the time and stuff,
Speaker 10: and he texted whatever. I was like, Yeah, let's just
Speaker 10: let's just do it ourselves. You know, I feel like
Speaker 10: it's had a ton of it's had a ton of enthusiasm.
Speaker 10: You don't want to talk about it to people and stuff.
Speaker 10: So we just figured we would give it a shot
Speaker 10: and see if we could just build it ourselves.
Speaker 1: So Gan Grell obviously does a vampire gimmicks I mean,
Speaker 1: is he is? He big time into the paranormal. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever interviewed the guy he is.
Speaker 10: Yes, he's a big I mean big big Foot enthusiasts,
Speaker 10: big you know, paranormal excellent paranormal guy. So it's funny
Speaker 10: that I happen to have two books out right now
Speaker 10: that are co created by guys with vampire gimmings.
Speaker 1: So that's right.
Speaker 10: I have a Vamperio comic out too.
Speaker 1: Yes, now, you know, I obviously do After Dark Radio.
Speaker 1: We have a paranormal show which is moving to Sports
Speaker 1: Byline January eighth, everybody, and I learned a long time
Speaker 1: ago that there is a big cross over here wrestling
Speaker 1: fans and paranormal fans. I mean, like, I don't even
Speaker 1: pick the guests. Andrew Lutsky is my producer, and he
Speaker 1: picks the guests. And I think we've only done like
Speaker 1: four or five guests since I relaunched it. But like,
Speaker 1: of those four or five guests, like at least two
Speaker 1: of them, we ended up talking about wrestling afterwards because
Speaker 1: they were like big wrestling guys. I had no idea
Speaker 1: till it was over. So there seems to be a
Speaker 1: cross over here.
Speaker 10: I mean, that's that's the hope. And I think it
Speaker 10: would be fun to maybe take a year and do
Speaker 10: you know, obviously do comic cons almost every weekend. I
Speaker 10: think it would be interesting to try to pepper in
Speaker 10: some some big Foot festivals and stuff like that. I
Speaker 10: feel like it would just be a fun vibe to
Speaker 10: you know, to just don't know, mix up the mix
Speaker 10: up the show a little bit.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, if you want to do Bigfoot conventions, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm your man. I mean literally, there's one at
Speaker 1: least every month in this area up here, and they're like,
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty, they're shockingly big. Actually, I guess not
Speaker 1: shockingly because I'm in the Pacific Northwest. But so this
Speaker 1: this Kickstarter, I mean, is it ending today.
Speaker 10: Ends tomorrow at eight pm Eastern time. And we've got
Speaker 10: a lot of cool stuff. We've got four really cool covers.
Speaker 10: We have metal versions, like limited edition metal versions, and
Speaker 10: we've got a shirt and Tumblr drink Tumblr that have
Speaker 10: a really cool design that but I'm very happy about
Speaker 10: it static. It's one of the coolest things that we've made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not really like a wrestling T shirt guy.
Speaker 1: I have like none except ones that we make for
Speaker 1: the site. But I will say that this this shirt
Speaker 1: here with the Patterson Gimblin bigfoot dragging a chair and
Speaker 1: underneath it says hay Fame. That's right up my alley.
Speaker 1: I would wear that shirt. I would buy multiple actually
Speaker 1: of that shirt. So that's a good one. That's when
Speaker 1: you could wear anywhere.
Speaker 10: I think, I agree. I agree, I uh, And that's
Speaker 10: it's like that design is I don't know. I just
Speaker 10: working on with Doug Hills who does Tails from the
Speaker 10: Road with me and we're just kicking ournd ideas and
Speaker 10: then it's just this is one of those things where
Speaker 10: just sometimes things click and you're just like, oh man,
Speaker 10: how did I not see this before? But I was happy.
Speaker 10: I was happy you came up with it.
Speaker 4: Michael. For those people who are new to you, who
Speaker 4: were some of your artistic favorites, and did you grow
Speaker 4: up with comic books and wrestling magazines or you know,
Speaker 4: how did you end up getting to this point where
Speaker 4: things crossed over and merged for you?
Speaker 10: I love them both. Right about the same time. The
Speaker 10: very first Saturday It's Made event was my entree into wrestling.
Speaker 10: George's Animal Steele was the man who made me stop
Speaker 10: flipping channels for a minute. And then and I, you know,
Speaker 10: I just bought comics off the spinner rocks and stuff,
Speaker 10: and then I got super into it and I realized
Speaker 10: that nobody ever made good wrestling comics. They just made
Speaker 10: i don't know, like hacked out license things and stuff
Speaker 10: like that. And uh so then I just started I
Speaker 10: started headlocked comics, and I started selling my books out
Speaker 10: of my backpack at wrestling shows and just sort of
Speaker 10: built a grassroots thing and making comics for fifteen years.
Speaker 10: I'm in the middle of seven projects right now with
Speaker 10: the ridiculous names, and we just our Vampira series just
Speaker 10: got just got picked up for television development. The third
Speaker 10: issues out in stores today, by the way. But it's
Speaker 10: one of my it's one of my favorite things. These
Speaker 10: two series are two of my favorite things that I've written,
Speaker 10: just because the I don't know, I like a little
Speaker 10: bit of absurdity, and I've been I've been doing a
Speaker 10: little more straightly stuff, so this is fun to be
Speaker 10: able to kind of dabble in some other genres.
Speaker 1: Now you got four different covers right here, and you've
Speaker 1: got the I presume illustrators listed underneath. No Jerry the
Speaker 1: King Wall or he didn't do a big Foot cover.
Speaker 10: Uh No, Unfortunately, h Jerry can't draw anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I was gonna ask how he's doing. He
Speaker 1: can't draw it all.
Speaker 10: I mean, not to his standards, you know what I mean,
Speaker 10: Like he was, it's I think it's hard for him
Speaker 10: to I think he can draw, but I think he
Speaker 10: can't draw to the standards that he would consider acceptable.
Speaker 10: And I think it's just another like it's just a
Speaker 10: reinforces kind of what he's lost. Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 10: lost a ton. I mean he's you know, I just
Speaker 10: spent a couple of weeks with him in a week. Well,
Speaker 10: I spent a week with in Memphis and then wearing
Speaker 10: Galaxy con Columbus a couple of weeks ago, and I
Speaker 10: mean he's you know, he's still fine, like you know,
Speaker 10: just he just can't draw like you know, when he was.
Speaker 10: I mean he was top tier, like one percent, you know,
Speaker 10: grade egg whatever. And I think it's it's tough to
Speaker 10: lose that.
Speaker 1: So so so if somebody didn't know about what had
Speaker 1: happened and they ran into him at a convention, I
Speaker 1: mean would they would they not even think anything? It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's doing all right?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean he's older, you know, it's you know,
Speaker 10: but I mean, yeah, he's fine. I mean he's sometimes
Speaker 10: he uh, you know, his words like I think a
Speaker 10: lot of the you know, stroke survivors or whatever, his
Speaker 10: words are a little hard to come by sometimes. But
Speaker 10: I mean that's been improving little by little since since
Speaker 10: it happened. So yeah, that's just uh. I mean he's
Speaker 10: a seventy five year old guy too, so well yeah,
Speaker 10: but I think for for a seventy five year old guy.
Speaker 10: He's he's going pretty good.
Speaker 4: Well, you talked about a lot of the hustle that
Speaker 4: you had to go through to kind of build what
Speaker 4: you've been doing, and you've been able to cross over
Speaker 4: and work with a lot of folks and put out
Speaker 4: some really great work. I do have some here, you know,
Speaker 4: from the times you've been on is there anybody that
Speaker 4: has approached you that you haven't had time to work
Speaker 4: with that you really would like to do or vice versa.
Speaker 4: Is there somebody that you have wanted to approach but
Speaker 4: it's just a matter of timing.
Speaker 10: I mean, right now, I am up to my neck
Speaker 10: in projects, so I haven't really been able to think.
Speaker 10: I mean, in my my brain doesn't stop thinking. I mean,
Speaker 10: I already have another sort of idea that I want
Speaker 10: to develop. But I have a volume five of Headlocks.
Speaker 10: I have volume four, Tails in the Road, Vampiro's got
Speaker 10: more issues, and then you know, we got Bigfoot, and
Speaker 10: I'm working on a I haven't announced it yet, but
Speaker 10: I'm working on a project with as w W talent,
Speaker 10: and I'm working on a biocomic too, So I'm running
Speaker 10: for my life. Unfortunately, the changes that have happened when
Speaker 10: social media have made it so much more difficult for me.
Speaker 10: You know, a lot of Kickstarter is through social media,
Speaker 10: just getting the word out and stuff like that. And
Speaker 10: I mean, like we used to get like seventy five
Speaker 10: to like one hundred and fifty backers through Twitter links,
Speaker 10: and I think I have eleven right now. Like, I mean,
Speaker 10: it's just been throttled to death. And you know, Facebook
Speaker 10: is tough. I have a friend who's back all of
Speaker 10: my kickstarters who literally just hurt, you know, and I
Speaker 10: post about it on Facebook every day too, and he
Speaker 10: just saw yesterday for the first time, so you know,
Speaker 10: one day before the end. So I mean everything's been
Speaker 10: throttled and then fragmented and stuff. So it's really hard
Speaker 10: to get in front of people like it used to be.
Speaker 10: And I don't know, and then WW just being such
Speaker 10: a monster and everybody's putting out so much content, Like
Speaker 10: it's tougher for me as a as an independent to
Speaker 10: just you know, kind of get bannedwidth sometimes.
Speaker 1: Sure, we'll stand by a way back in a moment
Speaker 1: to get a plug. Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back going the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike smber VV, also of Wrestling Observer dot com. Michael
Speaker 1: Kingston joining us Headlocked Comics. We've got a Bigfoot comic
Speaker 1: that is currently being funded for the next eighteen hours,
Speaker 1: and Michael, let's get some plugs in about how people
Speaker 1: can find it and how they can help.
Speaker 10: You can go to Kickstarter and just search Friday Night Bigfoot.
Speaker 10: It'll come up. We are in the last bit of
Speaker 10: the campaign. We need as much support as possible. We
Speaker 10: really got high hopes for the series, and a lot
Speaker 10: of these covers are only going to be available through
Speaker 10: the campaign. Obviously not the main cover, but the variants
Speaker 10: and stuff. So you know, I've already had a couple
Speaker 10: of people sniffing around Hollywood friends and stuff. You know,
Speaker 10: get in early.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be worth something that actually that this would
Speaker 1: be an incredible film. This could be the Harry and
Speaker 1: the Henderson's of our generation. Remember that movie. That movie
Speaker 1: was horrible. Yes, this is one would have to be better,
Speaker 1: but yes, everyone check it out. It's some on my
Speaker 1: Twitter at Bryan Alvarez and uh and Headlock Comics as well.
Speaker 1: And you know, even if even if a a comic
Speaker 1: gets to the goal, I mean, you know, anything above that,
Speaker 1: it's still extremely helpful. Right, We're not just trying to
Speaker 1: hit what the what the goal is and then be
Speaker 1: done with it.
Speaker 10: Oh no, no, I mean I never asked for everything
Speaker 10: I need. I mean it's but also I mean, anything
Speaker 10: we make extra just goes right back into the next book.
Speaker 10: It gets us ahead. You know. It's nobody gets into
Speaker 10: comics to get rich. I just want to. I just
Speaker 10: want to make comics and you know, do what I
Speaker 10: do and have fun. So it's uh yeah, I go
Speaker 10: pay my artists, pays my printer, you know, pays for
Speaker 10: the merch and and then we start with the next one.
Speaker 1: All right, we're at a time oone it. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for doing the show today. Guys can check it
Speaker 1: out on my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, Headlock Comics as
Speaker 1: well search Kickstarter and Michael. Thanks so much for doing
Speaker 1: the show today. Thanks everybody for listening, the other mics
Speaker 1: always Schollers and listeners every the studio. We'll talk to
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