WEBVTT - From the Vault: Christmas Trees Beneath the Sea

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb. Merry Christmas. Today is Christmas, so

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<v Speaker 1>we are running a vault episode. This is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be our holiday episode from last year, originally published twelve twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, and it is Christmas Trees beneath the Sea,

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<v Speaker 1>So don't worry. We're not talking about the dumping of

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<v Speaker 1>old Christmas trees, certainly not artificial ones. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about natural organisms in the watery depths of Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>so otions that in varying ways bring to mind a

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<v Speaker 1>holiday decorated tree. Let's jump right in.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Robert Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a special holiday episode here for you today.

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<v Speaker 1>It does concern Christmas trees of a sort. We have,

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<v Speaker 1>of course talked about Christmas trees plenty of times on

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow Your Mind in the past. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the most recent installment being an episode we did a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years back. Holiday inventions, Christmas tree lights, tinsel

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<v Speaker 1>and angels. We've talked about Christmas trees and connection to

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<v Speaker 1>sacred trees in the past. But today we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>find our Christmas trees in an all new location. We

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<v Speaker 1>are going to venture beneath the sea.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, it's Yule tied in the deep today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, deep down in the ocean. In some cases, deep

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean where it's said that Cuthulhu waits dreaming.

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<v Speaker 1>But just maybe maybe he's dreaming of a white Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>He's dreaming of that red writer be begun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that'd we come around to Christmas trees under

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<v Speaker 1>the sea? Well, credit where credits due. We had a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of lead ends to this. One of the organisms

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to cover here is one that was already

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<v Speaker 1>on your radar and is also something that I've observed

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<v Speaker 1>in the wild before. And then another source of inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>was a twenty twenty one Jay Store Daily article by

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<v Speaker 1>Sierra Garcia titled Meet the Christmas Tree Doppelgangers of the Sea. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously with a title like that, you know I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to give the post a second look. You know. Doppelganger

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<v Speaker 1>of course, being the German double walker, the uncanny, sinister

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps doom harboragering duplication of self. Christmas, with its

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<v Speaker 1>hidden depths of darkness, seems a great place for such

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<v Speaker 1>creatures to wander around. But of course it's not about

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<v Speaker 1>actual doppelgangers. It's about things in the ocean that may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not resemble Christmas trees, depending on how much

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see Christmas in them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my daughter is two years old now, and

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<v Speaker 3>so this is going to be her first, her first

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<v Speaker 3>really conscious Christmas, the one that I think she's really

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<v Speaker 3>going to be very aware of. And of course at

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<v Speaker 3>her age, I'm constantly thinking about, like the recognition of objects,

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<v Speaker 3>because she likes to point to things and either ask

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<v Speaker 3>what's that or to say what the thing she's pointing

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<v Speaker 3>at is, And a lot of times it's not the

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<v Speaker 3>thing she says it is, but you can see the resemblance.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm constantly thinking about the minimum visual criteria

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<v Speaker 3>to associate a shape or some kind of sight with

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<v Speaker 3>an object or a concept that she already has. And

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<v Speaker 3>one of them now is Christmas trees, and so like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering what kind of triangular thing this week? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>she'll point out is that Christmas tree? And we're sort

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<v Speaker 3>of playing the same game now, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean you've got to call these organisms something, right,

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<v Speaker 1>We've encountered examples of this before. You know, everything is

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<v Speaker 1>an apple, according to Western explorers, some version of an apple,

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<v Speaker 1>be it pine or otherwise. But you know, on another level,

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<v Speaker 1>all of this kind of connects with the ancient notion

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<v Speaker 1>that we've discussed in the show before, the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>if if you look into the water, if you gaze

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<v Speaker 1>deep into it, you're going to inevitably fine twins of

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<v Speaker 1>things that exist above the water. You're going to find

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<v Speaker 1>lions of the sea, cows of the sea, and so

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<v Speaker 1>much more so. Maybe it's not all that off the

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<v Speaker 1>mark anyway, that there are doppelgangers Christmas tree doppelgangers in

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<v Speaker 1>the deep, because we have Christmas trees up here, so

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<v Speaker 1>they must exist in the mirror realm beneath the waves.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Well, are you ready to kick things off

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<v Speaker 3>with my example here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, this is a fun one. This is probably

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<v Speaker 1>the one that's instantly coming to some folks mind out there,

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<v Speaker 1>especially folks who have done a little snorkeling and scuba diving.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're going to start in the place you might

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<v Speaker 3>expect for undersea Christmas Trees, and that is James Cameron's

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<v Speaker 3>Avatar from two thousand and nine. I know, I was

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<v Speaker 3>actually so reading an article about this that was LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 3>that Jastore Daily you mentioned earlier. But this was a

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<v Speaker 3>short article that was mainly just promoting a conference presentation,

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<v Speaker 3>but it had some interesting behind the scenes details about the

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<v Speaker 3>making of Avatar. It was called of Plants in Film

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<v Speaker 3>by Tanya Marion and the Botanical Artist twenty fifteen, and

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<v Speaker 3>so it was talking about when Cameron was setting out

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<v Speaker 3>to design the world of Avatar, he wanted to achieve

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<v Speaker 3>some degree of biological plausibility, and the movie is set

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<v Speaker 3>on a planet. Actually, I think it's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>a moon called Pandora, which he was originally imagining as

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<v Speaker 3>a place with low light conditions and a toxic atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 3>so it would have kind of different different material pressures

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<v Speaker 3>applying to the biosphere, maybe leading to different forms of

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<v Speaker 3>life than we have here on Earth. And so in

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<v Speaker 3>trying to dream up these life forms, he consulted with

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<v Speaker 3>a plant physiologist from UC Riverside named Jody Holt to

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<v Speaker 3>help imagine the botany of the alien biosphere. It's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of interesting how the plants they dreamed up in some

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<v Speaker 3>way resemble life forms that are found not on the

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<v Speaker 3>surface of Earth but underneath Earth's oceans. So the movie

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<v Speaker 3>features in some scenes a type of large ground flora,

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<v Speaker 3>I think within the sort of in universe lore. It's

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<v Speaker 3>they call it like a zoo botanical or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's sort of like an animal plant combination. But whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it is, it basically seems plant formed. It's a piece

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<v Speaker 3>of large ground flora with spiral shaped foliage, and in

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<v Speaker 3>the universe of the movie it's called helicoradium spirally. And

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<v Speaker 3>in the movie we see that this plant has an

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<v Speaker 3>unusual reaction to activity in its environment. When it is

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<v Speaker 3>physically disturbed, these fanned out, corkscrew shaped leaves rapidly recoil

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<v Speaker 3>and fold up into almost nothingness. So you can be

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<v Speaker 3>standing in the middle of a little grove of these

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<v Speaker 3>things and suddenly they all fold up and you can

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<v Speaker 3>see everything around you. It's a touch me not reflex.

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<v Speaker 1>Very impressive effects in play here, particularly nice on the

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<v Speaker 1>big screen and in three D. You know, say what

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<v Speaker 1>you will about the Avatar films, but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fantastic biological world building going on in them, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great example of one of the organisms

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<v Speaker 1>that Cameron unleashes us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so it turns out this was one of

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<v Speaker 3>the biological elements of the movie that was inspired by

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<v Speaker 3>organisms that actually exist in nature, not so much a plant,

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<v Speaker 3>but by an animal, the real animal called Spirobranchus gigantius,

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<v Speaker 3>or the Christmas tree worm. And that's the animal that

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about for a minute here. So

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, your mind, if it works like mine,

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<v Speaker 3>might be looking in the wrong direction here, because when

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<v Speaker 3>I hear Christmas tree worm, for some reason, to me,

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like the name of a pest animal that

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<v Speaker 3>is named after the crop that it is most notorious

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<v Speaker 3>for infesting and consuming. So like the tobacco hornworm or

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<v Speaker 3>the tato tuber worm. These are in reality both moth

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<v Speaker 3>species that in their larval stages feed on night shade

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<v Speaker 3>plants like the ones in their names, and other night

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<v Speaker 3>shade plants as well. But you know, humans kind of

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<v Speaker 3>have a sometimes a kind of economic agricultural mindset in

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<v Speaker 3>interfacing with wildlife, so they can sort of name animals

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<v Speaker 3>after the crop that that animal is causing them problems with.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like Christmas tree worms have ravaged the harvest

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<v Speaker 1>again is going to be a tough winner exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Christmas tree worm is not a caterpillar that

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<v Speaker 3>infests Christmas tree farms. Instead, it is a marine tubeworm

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<v Speaker 3>that lives on the surface of coral reefs. And so

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<v Speaker 3>what's the association. Well, these animals are named after Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>trees because they look like Christmas trees. And yet sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>these naming conventions are a bit of a stretch, But

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<v Speaker 3>for my part, I think it's close enough. I think

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<v Speaker 3>these worms really do kind of remind me of Christmas trees,

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<v Speaker 3>though I will qualify that, and my qualification is that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not so much that they resemble the actual species

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<v Speaker 3>of evergreens, which are usually fir trees that we use

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<v Speaker 3>as Christmas decorations. The only way in which I'd say

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<v Speaker 3>they actually evoke the trees themselves is in general shape.

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<v Speaker 3>So like Christmas trees, the part of these worms you

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<v Speaker 3>can see is a cone which is widest at the

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<v Speaker 3>base and the narrows towards the top, and it does

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<v Speaker 3>sort of have branches, branches radiating from a central trunk

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<v Speaker 3>or spine. They're also sort of needly needly branches, which

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<v Speaker 3>you could compare to evergreen pine needle texture, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not exactly a perfect match when you look at it. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the main way that they remind me and

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<v Speaker 3>remind other people of Christmas trees is that they mimic

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<v Speaker 3>a popular style of Christmas tree decoration, especially from years past,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that you would have a string of lights

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<v Speaker 3>or a brightly colored garland wrapped around the tree in

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<v Speaker 3>a spiral pattern. I've got a couple of examples for

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<v Speaker 3>you to look at here, Rob. I don't really know

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<v Speaker 3>that much about historical patterns of Christmas tree decoration, but

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<v Speaker 3>this reads to me as a more old style way

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<v Speaker 3>of decorating a Christmas tree. I associate it with like

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen thirties or forties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And I guess maybe some of this survived.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm looking at this. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>when this style of tree decoration dies out or then

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<v Speaker 1>again resurges again. For that matter, I'm not sure where

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<v Speaker 1>we are now. We don't put a tremendous amount of

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<v Speaker 1>thought into it. We just throw up the tree and

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<v Speaker 1>we put our favorite decorations up and call it a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, my family never had a spiral garland on

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<v Speaker 3>our tree, so it's not something I remember from personal experience.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I've seen it in older media, which

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<v Speaker 3>is maybe why I think of it as something that's older.

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<v Speaker 1>We might have had a spiral garland, or maybe my

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<v Speaker 1>grandmother did. I don't remember, but it feels like something

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen in my lifetimee somewhere. Hard to get excited

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<v Speaker 1>about the garland, though, especially as a kid, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the individual ornaments and the lights that have all of

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<v Speaker 1>the personality.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, especially for people with brains like yours in mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you and I were both like the Illustrated

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<v Speaker 3>Dictionary kind of kids. We like things with lots of

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<v Speaker 3>little individual in trees, with the little illustration and explanation,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's kind of what the individual ornaments feel like

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I like individual ornaments with personality.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good way of puting it.

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<v Speaker 3>But coming back to the Christmas tree worm, So if

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<v Speaker 3>you do a search for pictures of this worm, you

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<v Speaker 3>will find plenty of stunning underwater photos of coral reef

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<v Speaker 3>surfaces speckled with multicolored pairs of spiral Christmas trees. Each

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<v Speaker 3>pair branching in a fork. So what you'll see are

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<v Speaker 3>two little Christmas trees right beside one another, with the

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<v Speaker 3>same coloration. Now, each pair has a different coloration from

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<v Speaker 3>the other ones around, but within the pair, the two

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<v Speaker 3>little trees next to each other that are growing in

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<v Speaker 3>a V shape split at the base, those will be

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<v Speaker 3>the same color usually. And one important thing to emphasize

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<v Speaker 3>is that the Christmas trees that you're seeing are not

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<v Speaker 3>the whole of the organism. Each pair of Christmas trees

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<v Speaker 3>represents the two crowns, or feeding and breathing appendages of

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<v Speaker 3>a worm, the main cylindrical body of which is hidden

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<v Speaker 3>in a tube in the coral right beneath where the

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<v Speaker 3>trees emerge. And whether or not you think they look

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<v Speaker 3>like Christmas trees, these things are beautiful. I know they're

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<v Speaker 3>especially popular as a site for like scuba divers and snorkelers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've gotten to observe these in the wild before,

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<v Speaker 1>snorkeling in Breeze and in Rowatan. They're one of the

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<v Speaker 1>smaller pleasures of snorkeling in the shallows, and honestly, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm all about when it comes to snorkeling. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really I don't really want to see anything big,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, unless it's like a big coral format. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I see a bigger fish, it's neat. But I often

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<v Speaker 1>spend my time with looking around for those little details

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<v Speaker 1>things that are you know, curling about inside the reefs

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<v Speaker 1>and the rocks and and and you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things that makes something like a

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas tree worm special. Now, in terms of whether they

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<v Speaker 1>look like Christmas trees, I don't know. Obviously, It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where I knew what they were called,

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<v Speaker 1>but as they were pointed out to me, so I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't help but bring Christmas tree into the scenario. But

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<v Speaker 1>the ones I remember looking at I tended to think

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<v Speaker 1>more of like bristle cleaner for straws and tubes, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But gorgeously decorated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, I don't remember them being the ones I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>mind you, as colorful as the ones I see in

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<v Speaker 1>some of these photos. But on the other hand, underwater

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<v Speaker 1>photography is very much a lighting game. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess all photography is a lighting game, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what you actually see with your own eyes, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>less than optimal lighting conditions the water. You know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to necessarily match up with what you see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in somebody's showcase of underwater photography. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they still they do have a lot of character. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something sneaky and whimsical about them. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the things in the water don't want to be seen

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<v Speaker 1>and will do what they can passively or actively to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid a clumsy human and a mask and a snorkel

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<v Speaker 1>from seeing them. But Christmas tree worms tend to feel

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<v Speaker 1>just a little extra cheeky in the way they hide from.

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<v Speaker 3>Us, Like they're not just hiding from you, they're almost

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<v Speaker 3>kind of playing peekaboo, maybe playing yeah hard to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is like a peekaboo feel to them, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, yeah, you know. I was reading some guides

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<v Speaker 3>to marine life and coral reef life that we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about people who try to get photos of these things,

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<v Speaker 3>and apparently they's somewhat They're sensitive to multiple things, including

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<v Speaker 3>changes in light conditions. So maybe if a shadow falls

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<v Speaker 3>under them, they could retract, or if the flash of

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<v Speaker 3>a camera goes off, they could retract, and then slowly

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<v Speaker 3>over time after they retract, they'll so re emerge, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I think there might be some patience involved in

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<v Speaker 3>trying to get up close and see them or to

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<v Speaker 3>take a good photo of them, to kind of wait

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<v Speaker 3>for them to come back out after you have spooked

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<v Speaker 3>them the first time. But then another thing I saw

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<v Speaker 3>in one of the sources I was reading was that

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<v Speaker 3>how skittish they are might well depend on their surroundings.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the ones that are in shallower, more turbulent waters,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, tend to be a little less skittish than

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that are in deeper, more calm and stable waters,

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<v Speaker 3>which sort of makes sense. Yeah, but anyway, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>what's the biological rundown on the Christmas tree worm. It

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<v Speaker 3>is a relatively small polychet worm that lives the entirety

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<v Speaker 3>of its adult life with the majority of its body

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<v Speaker 3>hidden inside a calcareous tube that it makes initially on

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<v Speaker 3>the surface of a rock or more often a coral reef,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the tube can kind of become subsumed within

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<v Speaker 3>the coral as the coral grows, and then the worm

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<v Speaker 3>and its tube grows up along with the coral. So

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<v Speaker 3>it begins life in a short planktonic larval phase, floating

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<v Speaker 3>around after which it lands somewhere on the reef, secretes

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<v Speaker 3>a tube made of mucus, which it lives in for

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<v Speaker 3>a bit, and over time that mucous tube becomes cemented

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<v Speaker 3>with solid minerals, and then within that tube, the Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>tree worm metamorphoses and grows into its adult form, where

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<v Speaker 3>it will live the rest of its life, growing with

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<v Speaker 3>the structure of the reef, safe and secure, and covered

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<v Speaker 3>inside its tube by a nice lubricating blanket of mucus.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen different estimates on size range. According to a

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<v Speaker 3>post by the NOAA, on average, these worms are less

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<v Speaker 3>than four centimeters long, but according to marine biologist Eugene

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<v Speaker 3>Kaplan in his book A Field Guide Coral Reefs from

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety nine, their body length can reach up to

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<v Speaker 3>twelve centimeters or about five inches either way. They are small,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're easy to spot because they're very colorful, and

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<v Speaker 3>in some cases because of rapid changes that you can

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<v Speaker 3>observe with them, most often them disappearing suddenly, so the

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<v Speaker 3>exposed parts the two Christmas trees are two tentacles or crowns,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've also seen them called gill plumes arranged in

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<v Speaker 3>a spiral or whirl pattern, which themselves contain what's called

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<v Speaker 3>a bipinnate arrangement of hair like or needle like protrusions

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<v Speaker 3>called radioles. And then those little needle protrusions are themselves

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<v Speaker 3>perpendicularly covered in other smaller protrusions called pinules or ccilia.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can imagine a kind of fern shape. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you have the main stalk going out, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>have branches going out from that stalk, and then out

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<v Speaker 3>from the branches you got the little leaves projecting at

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<v Speaker 3>a ninety gre angle. So these radioles covered in the cilia,

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<v Speaker 3>the worm fans them out in this spiral pattern and

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<v Speaker 3>then beats them in the water to catch floating phytoplankton

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<v Speaker 3>and other bits of biological particle matter that will become

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<v Speaker 3>the worm's food. The little pins sort of they catch

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<v Speaker 3>hold of bits of organic stuff suspended in the water,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they sort of transport those particles in a

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<v Speaker 3>stream in little ridges along the surface of the worlds

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<v Speaker 3>down to the worm's mouth. Delicious. So imagine kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a spiral Christmas tree that gradually sucks in all of

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<v Speaker 3>its ornaments, sucks the ornaments down the branches and then

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<v Speaker 3>down the trunk and eats them.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it sometimes works like that if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a cat and Christmas tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, these structures are not only for filter feeding, they're

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<v Speaker 3>also for breathing. They are the worm's gills, and so

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<v Speaker 3>the worm uses these radioles to extract dissolved oxygen from

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<v Speaker 3>the water. Now, the activity that makes the Christmas tree

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<v Speaker 3>worm notable as an inspiration for the plants in Avatar

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<v Speaker 3>is the touch me not reflex. When it senses danger

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<v Speaker 3>through multiple types of stimuli, it can rapidly retract its

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<v Speaker 3>two Christmas trees into the hole where it lives, and

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<v Speaker 3>on top of that, it can also shut the door

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<v Speaker 3>behind it. It has a flat body structure, sometimes capped

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<v Speaker 3>with some sort of horny surface called an operculum, which

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<v Speaker 3>it can slam shut over the opening of its tube.

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<v Speaker 3>And we've talked about this adaptation the operculum in other species,

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<v Speaker 3>such as snails. Snails sometimes have an operculum that they

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<v Speaker 3>can use to cover the opening of their shell. Serves

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<v Speaker 3>the same purpose, but of course, in the case of

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<v Speaker 3>a snail, the shell is mobile. Here we'd be talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a stationary tube on a substrate for a sedentary organism.

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<v Speaker 3>We also talked about it in our episodes on hermit crabs,

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<v Speaker 3>because in some cases the hermit crab will have one

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<v Speaker 3>one claw that is so made that it functions as

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<v Speaker 3>an operculum at the opening of the shell.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. It's perfect little lid for their shell.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. So the operculum is a biological adaptation for

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<v Speaker 3>slamming the door shut. Now, I wanted to shout out

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting sort of ecological fact that I became aware

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<v Speaker 3>of because I saw it in a PBS Nova segment,

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you Nova. But the interesting thing is that

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<v Speaker 3>there is some evidence that the relationship between the Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>tree worm and the coral reef on which it lives

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<v Speaker 3>goes both ways. Now, of course you can see how

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<v Speaker 3>the worm benefits. The worm benefits from the coral skeletal structure,

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<v Speaker 3>which of course provides it, you know, rigid protection against

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<v Speaker 3>predators and you know, the tube it can live in.

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<v Speaker 3>But also as it grows, it lifts it up into

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<v Speaker 3>the water where it can have access to better waters

0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 3>for filter feeding. But the coral itself may also benefit

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<v Speaker 3>from having Christmas tree worms all over it, because apparently

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<v Speaker 3>the Christmas tree worms can provide a kind of protection

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<v Speaker 3>for the coral against one of the coral's major predators,

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<v Speaker 3>and that predator is the crown of thorns starfish aka acinthaster,

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<v Speaker 3>plantcy or plunky p l A n c I. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just say crown of thorns starfish because boy, is

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<v Speaker 3>the epicness of that name appropriate. So imagine kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a cross between a giant sunflower and an iron maiden

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<v Speaker 3>turned inside out. These things are absolutely from the hell

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<v Speaker 3>razor universe, extremely wicked. They might do. They're large, they

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<v Speaker 3>might be roughly a foot and a half in diameter

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<v Speaker 3>on average, coated in spikes, and what they do is

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<v Speaker 3>they crawl over the surface of the coral reef just mowing.

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<v Speaker 3>There's just mowing the lawn, eating everything they can. According

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<v Speaker 3>to that NOVA segment, these giant starfish are in part

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<v Speaker 3>responsible for the major decline of living coral within the

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<v Speaker 3>Great Barrier Reef. There are other factors at work as well,

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<v Speaker 3>but when these things get going, a sort of explosion

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<v Speaker 3>in the population of these coral predators can clean out

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<v Speaker 3>a reef of living corals, and so the whole ventral surface,

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<v Speaker 3>the underside of the starfish, you can kind of think

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<v Speaker 3>of as a vast digestive organ complex containing tube feet

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<v Speaker 3>and this inverted stomach inside out stomach system, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>just the underside of it is foreeat. It is just

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<v Speaker 3>going to devour the coral underneath. And it turns out

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<v Speaker 3>there's some evidence that if it comes to a part

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<v Speaker 3>of a coral reef where there are Christmas tree worms,

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<v Speaker 3>the Christmas tree worms can protect the corals directly underneath

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<v Speaker 3>them because they get in the way of the starfish

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<v Speaker 3>feeding and in fact they irritate the starfish's feeding organs.

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<v Speaker 3>I've looked up a pa so I was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find the paper that was the source of this observation,

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<v Speaker 3>and I found one published in the Marine Ecology Progress

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<v Speaker 3>Series from nineteen eighty six by Devantier at All called

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<v Speaker 3>does spiro Bronchus gigantius protect host porities from predation by

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<v Speaker 3>acanthaster planky predator pressure as a mechanism of coevolution? And

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking for the part of the paper that

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<v Speaker 3>describes exactly how this works. I found it in their

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<v Speaker 3>results section where they say, quote, preliminary field experiments indicate

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<v Speaker 3>that for certain worms, contact by Acinhaster planky induces retraction,

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<v Speaker 3>followed by almost immediate reappearance with the operculum and bronchial

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<v Speaker 3>crowns pushing against the tube feet and arms of the starfish.

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<v Speaker 3>This caused the predator to move quickly away. So something

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<v Speaker 3>about what these worms like poking it at their tube

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<v Speaker 3>feed and the averted stomach. The starfish do not like

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<v Speaker 3>the worms messing with them, and so this can have

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<v Speaker 3>the effect of protecting the corals that are situated right

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<v Speaker 3>around where the worms are, And so it's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to protect the reef totally from being mowed by the starfish,

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<v Speaker 3>but what it can do is make sure that some

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<v Speaker 3>corals are left alive on the reef, and that those

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<v Speaker 3>corals left alive around the worms protected by the worms,

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<v Speaker 3>can reseed the rest of the reef structure with living

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<v Speaker 3>coral once again.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating. So they're holding down their turf, which could allow

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<v Speaker 1>the overall reef to then grow and heal later. Yes, fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know. We've been thinking about trees a

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<v Speaker 3>lot lately as apotropaic magic. Is there something here protective

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the coral reef's got its own protective amulet,

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<v Speaker 3>Except I guess it's not magic. It's just like literally

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<v Speaker 3>keeping the starfish from absolutely devouring every inch of its life.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be like if your Christmas tree protected your

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<v Speaker 1>else by coming alive in the night, yeah, and fighting

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, weird alpine demons that might venture into your home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like if aliens wanted to come over your

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<v Speaker 3>house and suck all of the people out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>If the Christmas tree that you had like poked the

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<v Speaker 3>alien ship and irritated it and made it go away.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>So that does it for Christmas tree worms. But I

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<v Speaker 3>know we had some other organisms we were going to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. This next one is one that I learned

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<v Speaker 1>about in that Jaystore Daily post that I referenced earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very much still in the world of coral.

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas tree coral, a cold water black coral discovered apparently

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<v Speaker 1>in the mid two thousands. Some of you may be wondering,

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<v Speaker 1>what is a black coral? Like, what does this even mean? Okay, Well,

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you know a reminder that generally, you know, corals, of course,

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>are animals, like we've been discussing, and if you've gotten

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<v Speaker 1>out into the water, you're probably mostly familiar with the

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.119
<v Speaker 1>vibrant corals and you know sometimes the bleached corals and

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 1>shallow coastal environments, but what are black corals well? As

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<v Speaker 1>the NAA article Black Corals of Hawaii by Anthony Montgomery

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>points out, black corals or thorn corals, which are officially

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<v Speaker 1>known as antipatharia, are found all over the world and

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<v Speaker 1>at varying depths, so you don't have to go into

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.879
<v Speaker 1>the deep waters to find them, but they're often noted

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 1>for their presence in deep sea environments. Despite their name,

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 1>they are rarely actually black. I'll get to why we

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>still call them black corals in spite of this, but

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 1>they can be various even bright colors, and their shapes

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:51.880
<v Speaker 1>also vary wildly. A key difference, however, between black corals

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and the stony corals that I think more people are

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>familiar with, is that black corals have a skeleton made

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of protein and kitan. This skeleton is black, no matter

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 1>what color the outer layers are, and that's the reason

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>they end up with this name. So they have black skeletons,

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 1>but they may have any number of colors on top

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:18.159
<v Speaker 1>of that skeleton. I see now Montgomery and that na

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>article stresses that black corals do not have symbiotic algae

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 1>associated with them, and they don't require light, thus their

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 1>ability to survive at greater depths. And there are apparently

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>something like two hundred known species of black coral. Now

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the Christmas tree black coral in question. Here is a

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 1>particular species Antipathos Dindo christos in nomine patre. That's not

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:48.719
<v Speaker 1>part of it, but it sounds very Catholic, doesn't it.

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 3>Dendro cristos. That's gotta literally mean Christmas tree.

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, this is one. I'm gonna get to another

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>organism later where not everybody seems to be associated with

0:27:58.119 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Christmas as far as I can understand, but this one,

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>it's right there in the official name.

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 1>According to environmental factors that influence the distribution, size, and

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>biotic relationships of the Christmas tree coral, Antipathis dindol krystos

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>in the southern California bite by huff at All. This

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>is in Marine Ecology Progress Series twenty thirteen. The Christmas

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>tree coral is an uncommon, long lived colonial coral that

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>typically supports a diverse population of marine life forms. This,

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>of course, is one of the reasons that there are

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>a number of studies looking at it because there's a

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 1>lot more to learn about them and a lot of

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>organisms depend on them. But why do we call it

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 1>a Christmas tree coral? What is even remotely christmas y

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>about it? Well, while your mind may easily turn to

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>an image of a green tree, you know, draped in

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>silver tassels and multicolored lights, the Christmas tree, its name for,

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>is actually one of those artificially frosted, you know, white

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>flocked Christmas trees. You know what I'm talking about. These

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>are the ones where the idea is the tree is

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>supposed to look like a frost covered tree in the forest,

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.719
<v Speaker 1>very much in keeping with the movie Jack Frost that

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>we watched for Weird House Cinema, in which Jack Frost

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>essentially like flocks the trees in the forest, covering them

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>with ice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that is what they're

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>going for here, Joe, I included a photograph for you here.

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>This This is an image I believe from the huff

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>at All Paper.

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I absolutely see the comparison. It looks very much

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 3>like fur tree branches covered in snow.

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's not now, it's not tree shaped, it's not

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>really conical, but yeah, it looks like like fur tree

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>branches that are completely covered in some through a white frost. Now,

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.479
<v Speaker 1>as the huff at All Paper points out, Christmas tree

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>corals also occur in red. But my first thought was like, well,

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't always look like a Christmas tree. But that

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>shows how little I know about the history of flocking

0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Christmas trees or creating you know, plastic a official trees,

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>because I easily found an image of like a flocked

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>red Christmas tree where it just is like a bright

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>red imitation fur tree I'm assuming here, And yeah, I

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>mean it does not look unlike an actual photograph of

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>a red Christmas tree, black coral.

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.239
<v Speaker 3>I'd see that. For some reason, this one made me

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 3>think alveoli just like you know, a little uh red

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 3>broccoli in the lungs.

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's another solid comparison. Yeah. I

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>also have to point out this one picture from the

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>huff at All paper that has the red There's a

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>red one and then there's a white one right behind it.

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And on the red one you see two different crustaceans

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>climbing about, And to me it looks like one of

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>those sometimes you see like a really wacky themed holiday tree,

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>you know where there's very much a particular theme in mind.

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>It's not about just getting all of your favorite ornaments

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>on there, but like making something that is very fashionable.

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 1>And so I can imagine a tree where it's like

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>your only two ornaments are two enormous crustaceans crawling about

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 1>on the tree.

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Ho ho LV four twenty six.

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that sort of thing. So full grown colonies of

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>this particular form of black coral apparently reach heights of

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>eight feet in eight feet tall, and they can live

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>more than a century of conditions are favorable. A two

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven bulletin of marine science paper from Love

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>at All found that basically in this paper they've discussed

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>how they found a dead two point one meter or

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>six point eight feet tall Christmas tree black coral collected

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>from one hundred and six meter depth or three hundred

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and forty eight feet depth off off the coast of

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>southern California, and this one they found it would be

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to have been about one hundred and forty years old

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>when it died, and its skeleton was heavily colonized by invertebrates.

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>According to this paper and this particular specimen two five

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty four species living there.

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Wow, somebody counted all those species.

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so it's a lot now that you know

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.239
<v Speaker 1>this is a dead one. But you know, basically the

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>idea here is that you know, alive, we're dead. They

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 1>have an important place in the ecosystem, you know, providing

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, substrate and so forth for various other organisms

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to thrive. And of course black corals, like like other corals,

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>are you know, generally threatened by a climate change and

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 1>related human industrial level activities, so you know, it's any

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 1>threat to them is of course not only a threat

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>to this particular species, but then there's also all these

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>cascading effects that can occur with all the species that

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>are then dependent upon it. I was also reading about

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>how the black in general, not with this particular species,

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the Christmas tree black coral, but black corals in general.

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>They have at times been prize for medicinal uses and

0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 1>then also for jewelry making, and I believe in Hawaii

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>there's still a certain amount of black coral harvesting that

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 1>is allowed, and I think largely for jewelry making, though

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>perhaps there's some medicinal usage in there as well. In

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 1>other areas, though black corals, along with other forms of coral,

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>are completely protected. And to be clear, there is some

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>level of protection in Hawaii based on what I was reading.

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 1>It's just I think there is some allowance for harvesting.

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 1>So again, Christmas tree black corals named named for the

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Christmas tree, and you know, I think it's not unreasonable

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to say, yes, they do kind of look like Christmas trees.

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, if you tried to make

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 3>a Christmas tree like harvests, assuming you could and ecological

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 3>concerns aside, harvest some and make it the Christmas tree

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 3>in your house, would it still look like a Christmas

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 3>tree out of the water.

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. I think well, I mean one of

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the things, once you with the black corals, it's like

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>people were harvest was doing it and doing stuff with

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.479
<v Speaker 1>the black skeleton. So I don't know, you might end

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>up with some sort of like you know, goth black

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Christmas tree, which you know, I'm also totally on board

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 1>for do what you want with your Christmas trees. Make

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>them a statement of your identity.

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, what's our third underwater Christmas tree? Okay?

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I I did to do a little bit more digging

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>for this one, because I was like, all right, we

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>really need something else for the episode. You've got to

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>round it out with a third, right, And for a

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:31.720
<v Speaker 1>little bit there I was like, I think the third

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>is going to be the Christmas Tree of the desert.

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 1>And then I had to remind myself in the way,

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't do that. That's that's not deep sea. That's

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>the opposite of deep sea. That's the desert. So I

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>was beginning to think there wasn't going to be something,

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>but then I started finding some references from the Monterey

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Bay Aquarium and that led me to a particular genus

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>of Sciphonophore that we're going to talk about here, and

0:34:54.560 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>that genus is a forced Kalia. And this genus I

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 1>believe is unofficially referred to as containing at least one

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>variety of Christmas tree Siphonophor. Okay, so what is a

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>siphonophor or Sciphonophora is an order of colonial free swimming

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>or floating marine hydra zooins, such as the Portuguese Man

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 1>of War that's probably the most well known member of

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 1>this group. And they're mostly delicate, transparent, various colors in play,

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and they are composed of zooids, zooids that possess special

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>functions such as feeding or locomotion. They're very strange. The

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Good Wizard recently discussed Man of Wars on Automa alias Stupendium,

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 1>an occasional Wednesday episode that we do, and in that

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 1>we went into some of the details of what a

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>sephonophor actually is. It is a colonial organism made up

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of getically identical but highly specialized polyps. So what you

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>might mistake for a single organism's reproductive system or a

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>digestive system, grasping arms, or the flotation bladder are in

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 1>fact individual zooids. And I have a way that I

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>make sense of all this, and I'm going to adapt

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 1>what is in that Animalius to Pendium episode for the

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 1>holiday theme here. Okay, so imagine your Santa Claus and

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you need a reindeer to pull your sleigh this year.

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a common problem. Unfortunately, all but one of your

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>reindeer were killed last year by the bear spirit Tombach.

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 1>So what are you going to do? You just got

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>one one can't pull the sleigh right. Fortunately, your Santa Claus,

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 1>you have access to advanced cloning technology, So what can

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you do? Well? You could simply clone blitz In a

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>dozen times to produce a host of genetically identical reindeer

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 1>to pull your sleigh. That would work, But your Santa Claus,

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>what if you aimed higher? What have you instead? Formed

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>each Blitzen clone into a giant organ or organ system

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>or you know, or tissue or part of some sort

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>of a greater organism. You know, one Blitzen becomes the

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>digestive system, another they're reproductive system, another the skeletal and

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>so forth, until you have a single uber Blitzen, a

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 1>colonial super deer organism composed of genetically identical individuals. Those

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>individuals do not look like a deer. They look like

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>parts of the greater thing that you associate as a

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>single entity.

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Kind of Blitzen.

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Biovultron, Yeah, vultron is another way of thinking. Like when

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you look at a Portuguese man of war, and when

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>you look at any of these siphonophores, you are looking

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:50.919
<v Speaker 1>at vultrons. But unlike vultron, vultron of course can come

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>back apart into lions and fly about. That doesn't happen here,

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>like they're all part of the whole. They there is

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>no decoupling from the whole here interesting. There may be

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a better way of thinking about it, but yeah, I

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 1>tend to think of it in this way. I think

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the vultrone way of understanding them is also pretty solid.

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:13.280
<v Speaker 1>So the Forscalia genus was first described in the eighteen hundreds,

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and the species in question here is Forskalia formosa, first

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>recorded by Keverstein and Elers in eighteen sixty. Now, I

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>am personally not certain if anyone other than the Monterey

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Bay Aquarium and perhaps their web team are calling this

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>species the Christmas tree siphonopour. But even if they're the

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>only ones, that's good enough for me, because A they're

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 1>a world class institution and B we needed one more

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Christmas tree to round out podcasts.

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I see it. Looking at a picture of

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 3>this thing, it looks the most festively decorated I mean

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 3>talk about garlands.

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, there are some pictures of this on the

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Monterey Bay Aquariums website. There's also some really nice video

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:04.240
<v Speaker 1>footage on the Bay Aquarium Research Institutes YouTube page. Especially

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that video. I find you look at it and you're like, yes,

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>it looks like a Christmas tree. It's upside down, but

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it looks like a you know, roughly Christmas tree shaped

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.759
<v Speaker 1>array of branches with illumination.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely. So it's kind of actually, I think like

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.879
<v Speaker 3>the Christmas tree worm, where it's not so much that

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 3>the crowns of the worm look really a lot like

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, evergreen trees. They're sort of cone shaped, they're

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<v Speaker 3>generally shaped like a tree. But then the real thing

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<v Speaker 3>is that that decorating convention, the garland that you wrap

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<v Speaker 3>around a tree like a spiral that resembles the the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the color tips of the spiral, the radioals

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<v Speaker 3>going up around the tentacles of the worm in a

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<v Speaker 3>similar fashion. Here, I would say that it's not so

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<v Speaker 3>much that this looks like a Christmas tree, is that

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<v Speaker 3>it's roughly tree shaped, and then it has these little white,

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<v Speaker 3>shining or glowing bits in the video you've seen, which

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<v Speaker 3>makes me think of like the lights that we put

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<v Speaker 3>on a Christmas tree. So again, it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>decorating convention that I think really seals the esthetic comparison.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, according to the Monterey Bay Aquarium, these organisms

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<v Speaker 1>live in the deep ocean, ranging from the surface down

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<v Speaker 1>to six six hundred feet or two hundred meters deep

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<v Speaker 1>in the North Pacific and Atlantic oceans. They reach sizes

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<v Speaker 1>of up to ten feet or three meters in length

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<v Speaker 1>or height, depending on how you want to view it

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<v Speaker 1>as a Christmas tree. I guess, subsisting on various small

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<v Speaker 1>sea animals in those environments, and it moves through the

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<v Speaker 1>water via a system of floats and swimming bells.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether or not it looks like a Christmas tree to you,

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<v Speaker 3>it is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Well, then you know you could maybe again

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<v Speaker 1>use this as inspiration for your own Christmas tree instead

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<v Speaker 1>of ornaments this year, you know, decorate your tree with zooids.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, no, no, In truth, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you could technically do a theme tree based on all

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<v Speaker 1>three of these organisms. It would be an impressive feat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess it would be for a limited audience.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. Maybe there's some marine biologists out

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<v Speaker 1>there who really get into it. If you have ever

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<v Speaker 1>decorated your Christmas tree to align with actual marine organisms

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<v Speaker 1>name for Christmas trees or associated with Christmas trees, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we want to know about it. Oh, yes, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's not impossible. It's not impossible, but I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>more likely there may be people with Christmas trees out

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<v Speaker 1>there that have some sort of a science theme or

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<v Speaker 1>even a marine biology or underwater oceanic theme. I would

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<v Speaker 1>settle for that. I'm always game to look at the

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of somebody's Christmas tree, So by all means, send

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<v Speaker 1>them in, please do all right, I think we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go ahead and wrap this episode up, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>this was a fun and surprisingly different holiday episode from

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<v Speaker 1>us here. You know, in the past we've done again,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Christmas inventions, things that tie into like psychological

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<v Speaker 1>or even philosophical ideas that are associated with the holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>This time we went a little deeper in the oceanic sense.

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<v Speaker 3>All I want for Christmas is to have my body

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<v Speaker 3>exfoliated by a crown of thorn starfish.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, those look pretty rough, kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>like a whoope cushion from hell. I guess, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>C stars in general have like a do not touch vibe,

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<v Speaker 1>but these really have it do not touch vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we have to come back in the future and

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<v Speaker 3>give them, give them their own episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, we could easily do an episode on

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<v Speaker 1>I mean on starfish in general, you know, calling out

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<v Speaker 1>various particular species of note. But yeah, maybe these guys too.

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