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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Wide Open.

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Speaker 2: This week we have the very special guest.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you she comes in with the

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Speaker 1: heat and fire, Kathy Griffin.

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Speaker 3: All right, well.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, I am just letting you know Kathy is going

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Speaker 1: to start the top of the hour off the way

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Speaker 1: she only knows how, and that is fighting for what

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Speaker 1: she believes in. And during this episode when we recorded,

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Speaker 1: it was during the walkout in Minneapolis, and this is

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Speaker 1: when everyone was taken to the streets and protesting. And

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Speaker 1: you know, while we were watching that, we took an

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Speaker 1: hour to actually really talk about and unpack a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that are going on in the political climate

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Speaker 1: right now in the US, and we spoke about Renee

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Speaker 1: Good being shot and killed by ice. And when this

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Speaker 1: to let everyone know this is a really hard time

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Speaker 1: for all of us and what we're watching is not normal,

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Speaker 1: and it's not okay, and it's not the America most

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Speaker 1: of us are used to. And my hope is as

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Speaker 1: we continue to talk about it and shed more light

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Speaker 1: on what's going on in Minnesota right now, this brings change,

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Speaker 1: and that's what we want. We want to build in

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Speaker 1: America where everyone is safe, where everyone is seen as

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Speaker 1: without being terrorized by these group of people.

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Speaker 3: And my heart.

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Speaker 1: Really goes out to the people affected by ice, the

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Speaker 1: families affected, the people hiding and being scared to live

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Speaker 1: in this country. And what makes this country so special

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Speaker 1: different backgrounds. I just want everyone to know that, you

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Speaker 1: know I'm hopeful for change and I will continue fighting

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Speaker 1: for change and standing on the right side of change

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Speaker 1: because I want a better future for my children. I

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Speaker 1: And that is that is.

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Speaker 3: What this is about.

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Speaker 1: It is about serving your neighbor, protecting your neighbor, showing

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Speaker 1: up for your neighbor even when they don't look like you.

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Speaker 1: And immigrants is what makes this country great and we

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Speaker 1: can't lose we can't lose sight of that. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: emotions are very hot and very real and very timely

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Speaker 1: during this episode with Kathy so strap In, everyone and

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Speaker 1: wishing you all safety and love.

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Speaker 3: And enjoy this episode. Here's Kathy Griffin.

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is someone who has never played it safe,

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Speaker 2: and honestly thank goodness for that. She's a comedian and activist,

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Speaker 2: a truth teller, and a professional line crosser in the

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Speaker 3: You know her as Kathy Griffin, the fearless comedian.

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Speaker 2: She's unapologetic, and she refuses to disappear, even when the

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Speaker 2: back on the road with her new tour, new face,

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Speaker 2: new tour, still making people laugh, still making people uncomfortable,

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Speaker 2: still fighting for the things she.

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Speaker 3: Always has believed in.

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Speaker 2: Today we're talking about reinvention, activism, cancel culture, public feud, friendship, divorce,

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Speaker 2: dating apps, younger men, and why she thinks being a cougar.

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Speaker 2: We're also getting into the advocacy policy change and what

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Speaker 2: it means to keep showing up when it be easier

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Speaker 2: not to. This conversation is funny, honest, and a little unhinged,

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Speaker 2: as always in the best kind of way.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to miss it. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of wide

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Speaker 2: open with Ashlyn Harris. We have an incredible, funny, amazing advocate,

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Speaker 2: especially of the queer community. Guest today is Kathy Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show, Kathy Griffin.

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Speaker 4: How are you for myself? I'm very glad you should.

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Speaker 2: Be, honey, because you're iconic, and you're gonna give me

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Speaker 2: the energy I need today because of this country is

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Speaker 2: a fucking dumpster fire and we need a little after it's.

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Speaker 4: A shit show. I am following everything that's happening in

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Speaker 4: Minnesota and with ICE, which I believe is an illegitimate agency,

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Speaker 4: even though I know it's been around since two thousand

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Speaker 4: and I want to ask you, why don't you think

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Speaker 4: national news is covering it more. I've never seen a

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Speaker 2: Well, because now our media is fully corrupt and bought.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, I mean, I can't believe sixty minutes is illegitimate. Now.

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Speaker 4: I grew up with sixty minutes. It was always in

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Speaker 4: I get it football's number one, but I can't tell

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Speaker 4: you how much I'm personally feeling it as the many

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Speaker 4: tours and goes to the real America, Uh, town to town.

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Speaker 4: You know, it used to be a lot easier to

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Speaker 4: see what's going on around the country, But now I

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Speaker 4: think I've turned into one of those people that doesn't

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Speaker 4: necessarily trust traditional media. I don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame you, and I don't either, so

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Speaker 2: I one thing I do really appreciate about you, Kathy

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Speaker 2: is your uh you show up, You show up, You

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Speaker 2: speak truth to power, you advocate on the right side

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Speaker 2: of change, where I'm grateful for the way you do

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Speaker 2: that and use your platform.

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Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that because I'm really trying to get

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Speaker 4: the message out to the gays. I say the games,

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Speaker 4: but you know what I mean, come on, lg I

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Speaker 4: mean LGBTQ plus. But I'm really fearful that ICE's next

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Speaker 4: target is going to be people who present as gay,

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Speaker 4: because that's how it happened in Nazi Germany. And I

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Speaker 4: want to tell all of your gay fans out there

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Speaker 4: that it's time to start planning. And nobody mobilizes and

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Speaker 4: organizes like the gays.

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Speaker 3: I mean, come up that part.

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Speaker 4: You are a part that part, so you're good at it.

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Speaker 4: But I have a real fear that that is the

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Speaker 2: We've been the target NonStop, so I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 2: by that either.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what if we have a situation where your

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Speaker 4: and then ICE shows up there and you know, with

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Speaker 4: a battery ram or a warrant that isn't signed by

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Speaker 4: a judge. By the way, that was a policy memo

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Speaker 4: saying that they don't need a judge to sign the warrant.

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Speaker 4: The laws still says you need a warrant signed by

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Speaker 4: a judge, not an administrative warrant to come in the house.

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Speaker 4: So don't answer your door if ICE comes to your house.

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Speaker 4: Don't answer your door at all, even if you're a citizen.

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Speaker 2: I love that, and I appreciate you using this moment

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Speaker 4: I can't believe we're talking about anything else. Like I know,

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Speaker 4: I know us buying Greenland as crazy, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I know there are other world issues, but this has

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Speaker 4: never happened in the United States in my lifetime, where

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Speaker 4: you've got a government agency shooting a civilian named Brene Good,

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Speaker 4: a queer woman, and let's never forget that, because I

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Speaker 4: also have a feeling that because she did present as

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Speaker 4: and accused of being a terrorist, just as I was.

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Speaker 4: So yes, I'm the lady with the head picture. I

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Speaker 4: took a photo of a Halloween mask but meant to

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Speaker 4: look like Donald Trump's decapitated head, and I got in

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Speaker 4: That's how I make my living. And you know, I

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Speaker 4: can't believe that Renee Good was killed, murdered the way

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Speaker 4: through a federal investigation at the behest of the Oval office.

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Speaker 4: And it happened to me, so I know it's up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've really you've really lived a lot of seasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a testament to your spirit, Kathy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you keep showing up and you keep using your platform

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Speaker 2: for good and I respect that, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't I think I know. Your queer following is

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Speaker 2: fucking huge and we always have your back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. The gays never canceled me. And you know, right

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Speaker 4: when that photo came out, there were gay people dressing

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Speaker 4: up as me and holding up Trump Halloween masks. And

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Speaker 4: that was one video that got to me, even though

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Speaker 4: the felony of conspiracy to assassinate the president of the

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's just you can't even make this up.

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Speaker 4: No, and I'm not. That's why I keep talking about it,

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Speaker 4: because I want people to understand it happened to me,

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Speaker 4: I never said I was the biggest comedian. But people

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Speaker 3: Which is fine with me. I mean, I'm like.

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Speaker 4: Walking around and people are stopping me in elevators to

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Speaker 4: very gratifying. But the right wing is still very mad

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Speaker 3: Oh god always.

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Speaker 2: That's anyone who fights against what their agenda is is

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Speaker 2: enemy number one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm there against you too. I just want

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Speaker 4: once again, I'm talking to the young gays. It's important

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Speaker 4: or it's not my thing. It doesn't have to be

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Speaker 4: single year. Like we just had an election in California

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Speaker 4: what we do here in California. So it was called

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Speaker 4: a special election. So elections are every year. Talk to

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Speaker 4: gays that I said, plet to go and write down

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Speaker 4: a list, put it on your phone. But it is

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Speaker 4: important to vote every single year as long as we

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and we will keep fighting the good fight. Where

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Speaker 2: where did your advocacy come from?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: I think one thing I'm really proud of with my

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Speaker 2: Who was Kathy as a kid was comedy always everything

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Speaker 4: It's my third one. And let me tell you. I

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Speaker 3: You look great, do you do you? Babe?

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Speaker 4: You're life five, single and sexy.

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Speaker 2: Forward to with this new like comedy tour with new

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Speaker 3: This is me.

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Speaker 2: I'm at this age. I'm unapologetic and I'm gonna show

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Speaker 4: That's it. I'm sixty five, I've been doing this for decades.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm making fun of all the celebrities you

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Speaker 4: Oh and I'm very proud of this because I've been

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Speaker 4: It's been shocked because you have to remember my generation,

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Do you get performance anxiety?

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing that I remember all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And you know, I don't even remember where else. I

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Speaker 4: And then the audience and I are one. I'm talking

438
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 4: to them, They're just hanging out with me. I'm your

439
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 4: you know, big move and who's coming over to visit?

440
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 4: And I have stories.

441
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: I love it.

442
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: What people don't realize is advocating and speaking on behalf

443
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: of like what you believe in. And because you talk

444
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: about cancel culture a lot, but using your platform, it

445
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: does cost us something.

446
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 4: Yeah I paid a price, but you paid a real price.

447
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: You did, but you still do it and you still

448
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: stand on the right side. Change and you would you

449
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: change anything?

450
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: No, The only thing I would change is for one day,

451
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: I apologized for the Trump to capitate a head photo,

452
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 4: and I wish I had not done that, but I

453
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: was being convinced by some folks who had an agenda

454
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: that my picture could actually inspire real live beheadings to

455
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: American troops with ISIS. That was the narrative the White

456
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: House was putting out, and they memed my picture and

457
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: sent it to China and North Korea and Moscow, and

458
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: they made sure that picture was seen globally. And I

459
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: was terrified that that would happen. And they convinced me

460
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: that my picture would be used as propaganda for ISIS.

461
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 4: It was nuts. But I have to say I do

462
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: have resentment against the real live journalists, the seasoned journalists

463
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: at that time, who didn't see that that was the

464
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: typical Trump oval office of that crowd, Jared Kushner propaganda machine,

465
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: because that's what they do. Like I said, they're doing

466
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: it now to Renee Goods widow. So I can't believe

467
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: the news really ran with the story that I was

468
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: suspected of being the face of isis me.

469
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: Well, good thing you keep changing that face, honey.

470
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't use my face recognition on any of

471
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 4: my devices.

472
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: I love this.

473
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: I love how you're just like you and Sia and

474
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: everyone is just so open about it. Y'all are living

475
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: in your best fucking life. And it gives me hope.

476
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 4: Oh I love it. I love Sea so much and

477
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 4: I talk about her in my act and she's my bestie.

478
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: And the other night we went to support Paris Hilton

479
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: because Paris is another survivor. And also Paris doesn't care

480
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: if she's in my act. She's just counting her money.

481
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: And so it's funny to me that we're friends now,

482
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 4: because you know, I've called her every name in the

483
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: book and now I'm like going to her movie premiere

484
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 4: with Sia. But I love that she came around and

485
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: she was like, Okay, you're just kidding, no problem, fair game.

486
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 4: And I that is the one good thing about staying

487
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 4: in the business this long is some of the youngs

488
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 4: they finally grow up and go, oh the whole time,

489
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: it was just to make people laugh.

490
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, exactly the time, exactly what at

491
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: what point do you think that you stopped worrying about

492
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: being liked and really started focusing on really being effective

493
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: and like what you were delivering and the content you

494
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: were delivering on stand up.

495
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: I think it's when I started making fun of famous

496
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: and powerful people, because until I got on a TV show,

497
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: my act was more about dating and my family, but

498
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: once it was all story from my life. So my

499
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: act as always stories from my life. Nobody can even

500
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: steal material from me if they tried, because it would

501
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 4: make sense. And so when I started being surrounded by

502
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: celebrities and powerful people and noticing they're sometimes not wonderful

503
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: behavior but still fair game in my book, that's when

504
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: I started getting in trouble. But the problem is I

505
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 4: never learned my lessons. So even though I've gotten in

506
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: trouble from everyone from Warner Brothers to the Department of Justice,

507
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: I just can't stop myself if I see something that

508
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: happened or someone says something to me that's funny. I

509
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 4: got to tell you, guys, I like to bring back

510
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 4: the curtain and tell you what Hollywood and the world

511
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: that I see is really Like.

512
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: I love it, and I love that you can have

513
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: so much banter about it, Like even like laughing about

514
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: divorce and dating apps? What has surprised you most about

515
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: this current landscape of dating and these new dating apps

516
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: and no one going out to make connections with people anymore.

517
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: That everything is now like online on the computer, Like

518
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: where are you in that whole realm right now?

519
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: Okay? So I went on four dating apps and then yeah,

520
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 4: and I went on three dates with civilian guys who

521
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: you know, can pretty much billion Yeah, civilians, and they

522
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: can look up anything about me on the internet. I'm

523
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: obviously very open and I had to kind of just

524
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: take their word for it, so that part I didn't love.

525
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 4: I do think they are to the male's advantage because

526
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 4: men are more visual. But here's the theme that I learned.

527
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: I learned from my other single girlfriends. Do you know

528
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: what the trend is now with straight people dating? The

529
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 4: guy spits in your mouth? So now you got to

530
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 4: tell a guy before the good night kiss. Oh by

531
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: the way, I just want to let you know I'm

532
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: not into the spitting in my mouth. And apparently the

533
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: guys are like, oh okay, well that's the big thing.

534
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: So I probably wouldn't have asked anyway, And I'm like,

535
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: you spin my mouth with pinterface what the fuck is

536
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 4: with strange guys that they want to spit.

537
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: In my mouth? Come on, I tell you what.

538
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: I give you a lot of respect, Kathy, because I'm

539
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: going to tell you nothing scares me more than a

540
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: straight white man and going on a date with one

541
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: of them who I don't know, and now adding on

542
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: the layer of wanting to spit in my mouth, like

543
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: how it's someone like you doing this?

544
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 4: Can wait? Can I just get through a day without

545
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 4: someone spitting in my mouth? Like that's now a new challenge.

546
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: And I also am afraid of white, straight males more

547
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: than anything, because they're the ones who've given me the

548
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: trouble in my life. And so I'm now off the apps.

549
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: And while I'm open to someone coming along, I'm also

550
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: loving being single because I have a great home that

551
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: I love that's paid off I have. I'm back on

552
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: the road, thank god. I get to do stand up,

553
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: which I love. And most guys aren't secure enough to

554
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 4: handle hanging out in the back of the theater while

555
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: their girlfriend is up there making people laugh. Being vulgar

556
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: because I'm very vulgar, and I have a great group

557
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: of friends and I host lunches and dinners as often

558
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: as I can. And my rule is no phones allowed

559
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: at the table because I want people to look each

560
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 4: other in the eye and actually get to know each other.

561
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: And I even put the introverts on the spot and

562
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: I make them talk too, But by the end of

563
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: the meal we all feel like we got to know

564
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: each other.

565
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: I love that I noticed a few of those during

566
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: the holiday. What do you call those dinners?

567
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: You have like a.

568
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: Name for some lots?

569
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: I call them.

570
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it.

571
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: I love how you invited Sea for her birthday and

572
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: then may her sing.

573
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: It's always my favorite.

574
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you did it at out one hundred. I

575
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: was there, I was I was there there.

576
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, it were a big deal. That was

577
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: my first red carpet since I was canceled, and I

578
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: was flop sweating, but I was so honored and they

579
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 4: were literally honoring me. And I got to be on

580
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: the cover of The Advocate as Advocate of the Year.

581
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 4: And then when they got Cia to come in person

582
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: with the wig and everything, and then I just said

583
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: to her, I go, what do you want to sing?

584
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: She was like, I don't have a band or a track.

585
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, I'm going to put you on

586
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: the spot, so you might want to think about it,

587
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: and usually you know this. And then she goes, what

588
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: color wig do you want me to wear? And I go, duh, pink,

589
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: And so she came out of the pink one and

590
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: it caused a gay panic and I was very.

591
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: It really did.

592
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what is going on?

593
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: Why know she's singing? Was a concert?

594
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: I know, Like nothing surprises me with you anymore. It's

595
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: like a course, that's what I want, That's what And

596
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: like I want to be at the next dinner because

597
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: every time I see you post these dinners, it's a

598
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: bunch of queer icons.

599
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 4: I mean I tend to have well, I have a

600
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 4: guest of honor at every meal because then I find

601
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: the other guests behave better if they know it's like

602
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 4: not really about them. So like you know, the Transfirl

603
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: Dylan mulvaney. So I had a true for her, one

604
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 4: girl's only luncheon and one mixed dinner. And so I

605
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 4: tend to make the guest of honor someone who's been

606
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: through some crap or going through a hard time. So

607
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 4: I had one for amberhard, who is my friend who

608
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: I stand by and I've had them for everyone from

609
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 4: Monica Lewinsky to Marry Trump, and it's a great way

610
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: for I'll throw in a couple famous people, but I

611
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: throw in some you know, lawyer, doctors or some other

612
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 4: kind of One girl worked for the DWP, and you know,

613
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: I want to make sure there's a nice mix of

614
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 4: folks from walks of life where we can tell each

615
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: other our stories. And like I said, everybody walks away

616
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 4: with their bellies full and having met some new friends

617
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 4: or gotten to know their old friends a little better.

618
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: I love that and it really is something. And I

619
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: wonder if you can speak on this. When you talk

620
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: about cancel culture and you talk about who shows up

621
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: for you in those dark moments, those are the people

622
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: you carry with you through every season, not just the highs.

623
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: Like who were those people in your corner during this

624
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: really tough time that you like, really kept you afloat?

625
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: You know, not very many. I have to be honest,

626
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 4: I lost about seventy five percent of my friends who

627
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: didn't come back. And I did get some support. My

628
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 4: friend Aubrey Plaza brought over a cast role literally walked

629
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 4: in with an old timey casserole that she made and

630
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 4: so that's a real friend because everybody was afraid to

631
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: be even seen going to my house. And I had

632
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: a girl's dinner the night that the scandalous photo went live,

633
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 4: and it was Chris Jenner, Rita Wilson, and Melanie Griffith,

634
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: and Chris Jenner was telling me to apologize, and she

635
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: said her kids do it and it works. And then

636
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: Rita Wilson was like, oh, no, it's not going to

637
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: be a big deal at all, and then Melanie goes, tomorrow,

638
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: you should do Mike Pence's head. And so it was

639
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: just fun and funny to have that female energy around

640
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: there getting me through that dinner because I think I

641
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: was even still in my pajamas at that dinner.

642
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

643
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you've lived so many lives, like twenty twenty one, Kathy,

644
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: you had a serious health scare as well, like so

645
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: many of these things are happening. Has that really shifted

646
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: your idea of like real presence? And this is only

647
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: one life and I've got to live it to the

648
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: fullest and like fuck these naysayers and these haters, I'm

649
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: gonna do me. Life is so precious and it can

650
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: be taken like that like.

651
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: That, and yes, I got lung cancer even though I

652
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: never smoked. And I have to say that because when

653
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 4: you get lung cancer people, yeah, I always go, well

654
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: did you smoke? Like at your fault? So anyway, so

655
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: I never smoked, and I have half a lung on

656
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: my left side and I did skirt death and it

657
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 4: does make me have the fuckets. So I just say

658
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: fuck it to the haters. And you know, I am

659
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: big on that app Threads, even though I hate that

660
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: it's owned by Mark Zuckerberg, but I'm big on there,

661
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 4: and I get haters and I just block them. I

662
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: don't even age with them. And in real life I

663
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: do have protests outside my shows sometimes, but it's usually pathetic.

664
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: And what's great is the gays always take care of it.

665
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: Like the gays will just see a MAGA person and

666
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: they'll go get a selfie with them, and then they'll

667
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: throw the maga person right off their game. And I'm

668
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 4: just like, yes, that's how we do peaceful protesting here,

669
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 4: just a gay guy going up and be like you're fabulous,

670
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: or some lesbian going hey, can I get a selfie?

671
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: And that's the best way to deal with protesters, and

672
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: then we go in and start the show and I

673
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: thank them for their service, and then I try to

674
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 4: bring the laughs. But yeah, going through a cancer also

675
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 4: taught me you can talk about cancer on stage and

676
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 4: it can be funny. So I do talk about cancer.

677
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 4: If there's if I had a doctor's appointment and they

678
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: called me, you know, Kathy Lee Griffin or something which

679
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: happens to this day, then I'll talk about it. Because

680
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: I asked the audience if you've been affected by cancer

681
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: in your life in any way, and almost everybody claps,

682
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 4: So I'm like, all right, that's fair game too.

683
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And what has this?

684
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: What is something you are still learning about yourself after

685
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: everything you've lived through at this point.

686
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: You still got to work your ass off. It still work,

687
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, audiences will give me a little

688
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: slack if they know me for a few minutes, but

689
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 4: you still have to bring the funny. And that's what

690
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 4: I pride myself on. I'm really proud of my current special,

691
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: which is on YouTube because nobody bought it, and every

692
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: network and streamer is still afraid of me because of

693
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Speaker 4: the picture, and one of them told me to my face,

694
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 4: so I did a special paid for it myself, and

695
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 4: it's called Kathy Griffin My Life on the PTSD list

696
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 4: and it's on YouTube now and it's free. You don't

697
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 4: need to give me your data, you don't need to

698
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 4: give me a credit card. You just click and play

699
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: and it's free. And I want to give you the laughs.

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Speaker 3: I love that, and you sure do that. Stay tuned.

701
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: I'll be back in just a moment after this brief

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00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:20,160
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703
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: And you've had fame for so long, Like what do

704
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: you tell these young comedians about longevity? Like fucking roll

705
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 2: your sleeves up and get ready for the journey, Like.

706
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 4: What is it? Yeah? I tell them, I tell I

707
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: talk to more females and I tell them about the

708
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: sexism and the misogyny and how it's still so present

709
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: and what it looks like. I mean, there are girls

710
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: that I hear stories from to this day where they

711
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: had to blow the doorman to be able to go

712
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: do a twelve minute set. That is insane. That has

713
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: never happened to the guys. I don't want to hear it.

714
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: And the guys all stick together, you know, Like I

715
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 4: love Will Ferrell, but you know he kind of uses

716
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: like the same people and all his work, and say,

717
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: with Adam Sandler and the women, we don't have that

718
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: opportunity because you look at someone like Amy Schumer and

719
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 4: she had that hit train Wreck, and it was such

720
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: a big hit, but then she didn't do movie after

721
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: movie after movie like the guys do. So she's got

722
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: to sort of reprove herself. And I tell the women,

723
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: you're going to be auditioning your whole life even after

724
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: you've gotten the job. And I still, you know, the

725
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: executives are still largely white, straight males, the decision makers

726
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 4: who actually sign the checks, so there could be lower

727
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: positions with women and people of color, but when it

728
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: comes to the guys who actually can sign the check,

729
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: because that's what you need. You need the check signer.

730
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: The lower level people can't get your project made. You

731
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: need money to get that project made. And that's probably

732
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: going to be a middle aged, white straight guy. And

733
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 4: so then I gotta put on my see it calls

734
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: it a bodysuit. I put on my bodysuit, and I

735
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: try to make him laugh and convince him that I'm

736
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 4: as good as the guys. And that's what I tell

737
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 4: the younger girls coming up is You're still gonna have

738
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: to work harder and jump higher.

739
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: That part now that you are you know, established, and

740
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: you've you've had such a beautiful, long career and you're

741
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: still on you know, on tour, and you're still giving

742
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: us great content and storytelling, laughs and humor. Do you

743
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: have a different feel of success and fame now or no?

744
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: I do. And one thing is, like I said, I

745
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: really appreciate the celebrities who don't get mad at me

746
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: anymore and realize it's just part of the shick. And

747
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: also I have a gratitude that I never had. I

748
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: every single show is a gift, even if I don't

749
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: kill I mean, you know, not every show is perfect.

750
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 4: And I guess that I'm very improvisational. But the audiences,

751
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 4: you know, they they feel me Like, now, I show

752
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: this reel right before I come out, and it's I

753
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 4: got the idea from share Share shows like a reel

754
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: of kind of her greatest hits, and I show that

755
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: and when the part where I'm holding Donald Trump's decapitated

756
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: headcuns up. Now the audience applauds, even though I'm not

757
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: even on stage yet, they applaud that image and what

758
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 4: it means. So that tells me, oh, they didn't cancel me. Ever,

759
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 4: they were down with that. They get the message I

760
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 4: was trying to portray, So they're probably gonna get my jokes.

761
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: And that is something that just comes with time and

762
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: getting through stuff and getting through difficult times. You know,

763
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: I got divorced two years ago. That took me out.

764
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: I was on the floor in fetal position. I did

765
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: not take heart break well. But knowing stand up was

766
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: coming back for me was tremendously helpful. So when I

767
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 4: did my first show back after the seven years of

768
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: not working, I did it without you know, when as

769
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: a single woman. Well I was still in the process

770
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 4: of the divorce, but you know, and so I am

771
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: now no contact from my ex for now a little

772
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: over two years, which is a really big deal for me.

773
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 4: And so I have that strength as well because I

774
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 4: he would try to convince me that I couldn't do

775
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 4: it without him, which is a bizarre thing because I

776
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: was doing it long before him, and I think it

777
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: was just in his back of tricks. But it was

778
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: great to have the feeling of like, yeah, I can

779
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: do this because it's what I do, It's what I

780
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: was put here to do what I'm going to continue

781
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 4: to do. I don't have a plan. B I can't

782
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 4: do anything else. I'm good with money. I'm good with money,

783
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 4: and yeah, I'm good with saving money, and I'm good

784
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 4: with what I spend it on. But I have the

785
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: muscle memory, thank god. And I just still have a

786
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: love for it. Not everybody and my age still has

787
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: the love for stand up like the day they started.

788
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: So I absolutely love it. I can't wait to hit

789
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: the stage every time.

790
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: Well, what does success look like now that you're embodying

791
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: this new version of yourself? You really, you know, we're

792
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: in the Year of the Horse, We're done with the

793
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: Year of the Snake. You've shedded all that shit away.

794
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: What does success look like for you now at this

795
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: phase of your life.

796
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: That a woman who's been put through the mill, who's

797
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 4: been put through shit, who's sixty five can still be relatable.

798
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 4: So now I'm at a point where I want to

799
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: keep doing it to show the other women. And you

800
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 4: can do it as long as the eyes did it.

801
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: You know, in my day, you'd have male comedians that

802
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: were literally ninety ninety and so I went to see

803
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 4: the Great Lily Tomlin about three weeks ago in Palm

804
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: Springs and it was a sold out show, and it

805
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: was so inspiring to see her up on stage crushing it,

806
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 4: doing her iconic characters and watching her change her face

807
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 4: into Ernestine or Lilithan and also just her stand up

808
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 4: itself was amazing. And I went to see her afterwards backstage,

809
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: and she was just herself, And that was the message

810
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: to me, was Wow, there's an audience full of people

811
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 4: that don't care how old she is. And so that's

812
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 4: kind of the mission I'm on now is to say,

813
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 4: I'd like to decide when I retire. I don't think

814
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 4: the president should decide, and I don't think so Hollywood,

815
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: middle aged straight guy should decide.

816
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: I love this And your message is like so consistent

817
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: and so true and cuts through the noise.

818
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: My last like.

819
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: Real question because right now the political landscape cancel culture comparison,

820
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: culture of social media that's become so destructive, Like what's

821
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: bringing Kathy joy outside of tour, outside of all the noise,

822
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: like the still quiet moments that you're protecting your peace, Like, well,

823
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: what is that for?

824
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: Kathy?

825
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 4: You know what I love? I love connection. I love

826
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 4: connecting with people That's what I love about my dear

827
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: friend gay icon rosy O'Donnell is Rosie as a connector.

828
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: She's someone that will say, hey, kay, if you should

829
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 4: call this person, they'd be a good person for you

830
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: to know. And so when I'm you know, not touring

831
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 4: or working or doing my YouTube show, I love just

832
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 4: hanging out with a good pal or else. And I'm

833
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 4: very active. I will pick up the phone and call

834
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 4: you and say, Okay, I need a babysitter, I'm feeling lonely.

835
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 4: Will you take a shift and we'll go to dinner

836
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: or I'll even meet a friend for coffee sometimes. And

837
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 4: that has been the thing that's gotten me through, is

838
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: just connecting with my real friends gets me out of

839
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: my own head. And I just love that feeling of

840
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 4: knowing someone, letting them get to know me, but more

841
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 4: important than getting to know someone else and what their

842
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 4: life is really about and having real conversations, not like

843
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 4: be a small.

844
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 2: Talk, exactly like real breakthrough conversations about my life. Shit

845
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: that matters, That matters. Yes, And I love that. I

846
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 2: think it's so powerful, it's so inspiring. I love that

847
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: you're creating these circles and dinners of empathic, witchy people

848
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: who are just bringing good to the world right now,

849
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: that's what conversation.

850
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 4: Social media is. I want everybody to have salons. You

851
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: can have it over a pizza with four people. You

852
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 4: don't need to be bougie like me, and it's just

853
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 4: the idea of getting together and talking about stuff you're

854
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 4: afraid of being honest, and you know when you put

855
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 4: the phones down, it really happens. So I try to

856
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 4: steer the conversation, but then it takes the life of

857
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: its own, and that's what I do feel we've gotten

858
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: away from. So I, of course, like many comedians, have

859
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 4: a rule and I ask the audience not to film

860
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 4: the show because if you put it online, then the

861
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: next city I'm in will think it's a little material.

862
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 4: With music, it's a little bit different. It probably helps

863
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 4: sell records, but with stand up it's not good. And

864
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. So when I'm going to whatever city

865
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 4: I'm going to, I want people to be watching me

866
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: and I want to hear their reaction. I can by second,

867
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: so I can go with the flow and the energy

868
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: back that they're giving me.

869
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Speaker 3: I love that. So what's next for you?

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Speaker 2: A woman who's checked a million boxes.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm so happy to keep touring. So I

872
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: just got it. I played Planet Hollywood in Vegas and

873
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 4: on my last tour, and they just may be an

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00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 4: offer to come back. So I of course I can

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00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: climb out of residency just playing it twice in one year,

876
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Speaker 4: but I want to keep doing stand up. I would

877
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Speaker 4: love it if someday a director took a chance on

878
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 4: me and gave me a dramatic role. I think about

879
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 4: the great comics who went before me, and most of

880
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 4: them did have a crack at a dramatic role, and

881
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 4: that would be you know, chancey. But it would be interesting.

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00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: Other than that, I'm always ready to work on a

883
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 4: sitcom or a streaming and show or whatever comes along,

884
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 4: and anything where I can make people laugh.

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00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: I love that.

886
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: And you're you're it's in Your humor is contagious, infectious

887
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: and during a time right now we need.

888
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: It, I think we realiate. And I you know, I

889
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 4: had two shows two days after the murder of Renee

890
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 4: Good at the hands of Ice, and I'll be honest,

891
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: I cried. I burst into tears on stage in like

892
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 4: the first five minutes. I don't know if it was

893
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: the adrenaline or what. But I was talking about her,

894
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 4: and I said to the audience, look, we'll get to

895
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 4: the funny in a minute, but I have to acknowledge

896
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: what I know is on all of your minds, because

897
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 4: let's face it, it's pretty much like minded people that

898
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 4: come to my show, you know. And so I first

899
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 4: into tears and they let me, and then I got

900
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: myself together and brought the funny. But not for one

901
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 4: minute did anybody leave or storm out or I think

902
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: I wasn't doing my job. It was just something I

903
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: could tell the audience had on their minds as well.

904
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 4: Like I said, Renee Good, being a gay woman is

905
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: something that we should never forget. So watching what we watched,

906
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: we saw what we saw. Donald Trump is lying and

907
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 4: full of shit. The Christynom is lying. And so you know,

908
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 4: I might do a little ranting in one of my

909
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 4: shows as well.

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Speaker 3: And that's we need that. But yeah, Kathy, thank you.

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00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: Honestly, I have to say thank you for your honesty,

912
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: your humor, your courage, and.

913
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: You question people in power and you hold them accountable.

914
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: And I think that is the key.

915
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: Well that is always is the.

916
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 4: World that you say to that because I recently had

917
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 4: the opportunity to talk with former Vice President Harris and

918
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: she said the same thing. She took my hand and

919
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 4: she said, keep speaking truth to power, and I was like,

920
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 4: WHOA coming from you? And then I'm going to leave

921
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 4: you with this. You can put my tinfoil hat on.

922
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 4: I don't even care. I don't think Donald Trump even

923
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Speaker 4: won in a free and fair election.

924
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: No way, that's not surprising at all.

925
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 4: We are not interfered. I think mena interfered Facebook. I

926
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 4: think there was interference obviously from the Russians. I watched

927
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: every minute of Jack Smith's testimony and I want to

928
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 4: fuck it. I want to fuck Jackson. So I'm putting

929
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: that out there. He's on the apps. He should find me,

930
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: and we should.

931
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Speaker 3: He's on the apps.

932
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 4: He's on the app. Get it, sure, But I don't

933
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 4: want him to spit my mouth as much as I

934
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: have a crush on no spending in my mouth, Jack Smith.

935
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Speaker 3: I love it.

936
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: Kathy, thank you so much for coming on. And I

937
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 2: hear after every performance you give the floor and you

938
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: say fuck Ice. So I want to roll the red

939
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: carpet out for you to seal the deal on this

940
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: podcast and bring us home.

941
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: Okay, deal with me. Fuck ice fuck ice.

942
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: Fuck ice Ie. Kathy, thank you so much for your wisdom,

943
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: your voice, your laughter, your advocacy, and the way you

944
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: show up for the queer community. So thanks for being

945
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: on Wide Open, and everyone please go out and check

946
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: out Kathy's new tour. When where can everyone go get tickets?

947
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 4: Kathygirffriend dot com.

948
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: All right, there it is.

949
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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here and thanks for tuning into Wide Open.

950
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Speaker 3: We'll see you next week. Kathy.

951
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your honesty, your humor and

952
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: never shrinking yourself to make anyone else feel comfortable.

953
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 3: This conversation is such.

954
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: A reminder that reinvention isn't about erasing who you were.

955
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: It's about owning who you are now. The courage to

956
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: keep speaking, laughing, and advocating even when it costs you

957
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: matters more than ever right now. If you haven't already,

958
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: make sure you check out Kathy's new tour called New

959
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: Face New Tour.

960
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: Go see her live.

961
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: Support the work, and experience the magic that only happens

962
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 2: when someone tells the truth with a mic in their

963
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: hand and to everyone listening. If you've ever been underestimated,

964
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: written off, or told to tone it down, Let this

965
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: be your reminder you don't know anyone shit.

966
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Speaker 3: And there you go.

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Speaker 2: That's our episode. Keep it wide open and thanks for

968
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Speaker 2: tuning in. We'll see you next week.