WEBVTT - Meshell Ndegeocello

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<v Speaker 1>while you're there. Hey, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm

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<v Speaker 1>playing along with Michelle and degio Cello. I'm just playing

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<v Speaker 1>lo Weuy. I'm just playing lone Weezy. Hey, I'm Nourra.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Sarah Oda.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show. Our guest today is Grammy winning singer, songwriter, bassist,

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<v Speaker 2>producer known for prolific work across jazz, funk, soul, and

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<v Speaker 2>beyond Michelle and Deggiocello.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the original Badass.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>She has been a pioneering voice since the nineties until now,

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<v Speaker 2>and currently she has been touring and performing music around

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<v Speaker 2>her project titled No More Water The Gospel of James Baldwin,

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<v Speaker 2>which is her highly acclaimed musical tribute to the American

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<v Speaker 2>writer and civil rights activist James Baldwin, honoring his legacy

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<v Speaker 2>by weaving her music with themes of struggle, identity, race, religion, love.

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<v Speaker 1>The human condition.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she just announced her new album, Synonym. It's

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<v Speaker 2>out October second, and it's a beautifully curated collection of

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<v Speaker 2>cover song duets featuring incredible guests like Cynthia Rivokat, Power,

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<v Speaker 2>Shaka Khan, Brandy Carlyle, Emily King, Liz Wright, Madison Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Hakeem, Robert Glasper and even more. And it's available

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<v Speaker 2>to pre order now, so be sure to keep an

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<v Speaker 2>eye out for it.

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<v Speaker 4>This was so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I love her so much, I've loved her for so long,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was really special. She's just such a special

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<v Speaker 1>soul too. She's really just like good human.

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<v Speaker 2>Good person. She talks a little bit about separating her

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<v Speaker 2>bass player self from her singer self and how those

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<v Speaker 2>two roles kind of contradict them each other, which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll hear more about her her James Baldwin projects

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of really cool bass driven duets in

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<v Speaker 2>this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was great. She played some guitar too. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoyed this episode with Michelle and Digio Cello.

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<v Speaker 5>M you push me away. My apologies fall on your

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<v Speaker 5>deaf ears, you curse my name.

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<v Speaker 6>Ly, and now your eyes they look at me.

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<v Speaker 7>Where I stand, ashamed, amidst my foolish pride, because for us,

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<v Speaker 7>they'll be no more.

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<v Speaker 8>Gus from us, they'll be no more. And now my

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<v Speaker 8>eyes they look at.

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<v Speaker 1>You bed.

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<v Speaker 9>Badly.

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<v Speaker 1>Boom, that's great. Thanks for playing that song with me.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my request. I love that album and I

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<v Speaker 1>love that song.

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<v Speaker 4>And is that a Craig Street album?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>I had started that record. It's my third record, and

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<v Speaker 7>I started it with another producer and it just went

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<v Speaker 7>up in flames and the label was so unhappy. But

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<v Speaker 7>I had like a dollar left. And I've known Craig

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<v Speaker 7>since I was a young person. He was plastering my

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<v Speaker 7>then manager's wall, used to do construction, and he's just

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<v Speaker 7>always He's the first person to give me blue by

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<v Speaker 7>Joni Mitchell. He introduced me to Hendricks. He's just someone

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<v Speaker 7>very important to me and so when it all fell apart,

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<v Speaker 7>I called him. Was like call someone you trust in love,

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<v Speaker 7>and that's how I met Chris and Doyle and just

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<v Speaker 7>just so many people who have changed my life.

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<v Speaker 6>And so.

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<v Speaker 7>He persuaded me to get back to basics. I come

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<v Speaker 7>from a band background and so bitter like the first

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<v Speaker 7>two records are highly produced, you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>nitpicking is what I call it, skin grafting and tricks.

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<v Speaker 7>But it allowed me to like play everything and like

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<v Speaker 7>almost everything and then put people on top different type

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<v Speaker 7>of production with Chris Uh and Crag and everyone.

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<v Speaker 6>It came down to me just writing songs.

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<v Speaker 7>And I have to be honest, at that time, it

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<v Speaker 7>was the first year of my life of being completely sober,

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<v Speaker 7>so I didn't play a lot of bass, just really

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<v Speaker 7>had a different life, and so I just wrote stuff

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<v Speaker 7>on the guitar.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it was beautiful, made it much better.

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<v Speaker 4>You're on the album.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing. It was the first time so you met through

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<v Speaker 1>Craig Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well the album is so

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful and it is very naked feeling, it's very exposed.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Craig gave me the album. We were preparing

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<v Speaker 1>to make my first album, and I was just so

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, you're so cool. You

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<v Speaker 1>with Michelle and I was like struck by it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so different. Appreciate it so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Craig is a is a gift and as a

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<v Speaker 7>historian and as a producer, just I've learned so much

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<v Speaker 7>from him. Yeah, and tell me about that time. Where

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<v Speaker 7>did y'all record?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we recorded up at a lair. Did you record there?

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<v Speaker 6>I've been there. I love that place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's upstate and we were isolated and it was really beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>But our version of the record with Craig went up

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<v Speaker 1>in flames. It was a whole thing. But in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, three of my favorite songs on that album

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<v Speaker 1>we're produced by him. Yeah, flames label label flames, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I call the label label flames.

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<v Speaker 10>La.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, me and Craig are good, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot. It was a lot between us

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<v Speaker 1>because of you know that, and then the success and

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<v Speaker 1>then but he's so incredible.

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<v Speaker 7>He's just an incredible human And man, yeah, I'm are

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<v Speaker 7>you on a label now?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still in Blue Note Yeah, I was then and

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<v Speaker 1>I am now. And we actually put the like twentieth

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary of my first album out and so Craig and

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<v Speaker 1>I got to really dig into the original that that

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<v Speaker 1>recording and we put it out what was though we

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<v Speaker 1>never really got to finish it, so you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been what was, but I think we would

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<v Speaker 1>have probably changed some stuff if we had had the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to finish it again.

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<v Speaker 6>To get I've learned from him, nothing's ever exactly. I

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<v Speaker 6>want to say. The first time I met you was

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<v Speaker 6>that New Blue really a really long time ago. You

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<v Speaker 6>played in a band.

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<v Speaker 4>I played with Ilhan and his bands.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that must have been twenty five years ago.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, you had different energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, baby energy.

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<v Speaker 6>You are always so joyful. I do remember I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably drinking at that time a lot, if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a new Blue at night. Yeah. Probably.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having having me here.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for coming, and thanks for coming Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really beautiful and it's nice to see people

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<v Speaker 1>who have a long musical relationship. It's really special.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, speaking of youth, I mean, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of the accolades and the people liking me comes from

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<v Speaker 7>the band a head when I was young and it

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<v Speaker 7>was really scary to switch. But I feel very blessed

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<v Speaker 7>now because of youth. Youth is wasted on the young, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's even here like I would never do anything

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<v Speaker 7>like this, but it's been good to be healed by

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<v Speaker 7>musicians who aren't competitive and that we're all in a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Together, it's a really fun way to connect. I find.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, do you do you do you like? Do you

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<v Speaker 7>think of yourself so separately as the pianist, musician and

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<v Speaker 7>the singers? Another aspect of you not really.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think I'm better when the two are combined.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I love playing, Yeah, it's yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I sing better when I'm playing. If I'm not playing,

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<v Speaker 1>I overthink, you know. It's a nice way to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of separate and just get in the flow for me

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<v Speaker 1>to do both.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's very different for me. When I play the bass.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm completely enthralled with the bass and I could care

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<v Speaker 7>less about singing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it seems like it's a little harder of a

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<v Speaker 1>coordination as well, because you have to lay it down at.

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<v Speaker 4>The bass right, and then with singing it's nice to flow.

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<v Speaker 7>It's nice to flow, and that's yeah, it's a contradiction.

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<v Speaker 7>And then I find when I'm singing there's an audience,

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<v Speaker 7>I want to engage them, and I become very insular

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<v Speaker 7>as a bass player.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. Well, I liked how on that song you sang,

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<v Speaker 1>you delivered it and you picked up the bassment the

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<v Speaker 1>instrument and that worked. Yeah, that's cool. What kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bass are you playing?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, this is my friend.

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<v Speaker 7>That record is about a breakup, noted, noted, I got that,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's the breakup before I met the person that

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<v Speaker 7>it was. It was a weird thing. But when I

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<v Speaker 7>broke up with the person. During all that, I lived

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<v Speaker 7>in the Chelsea Hotel. Wow, and uh it's not wow

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<v Speaker 7>terrible pre sobriety, yeah, oh yeah, but it was just

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<v Speaker 7>a terrible place to live.

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<v Speaker 1>And just gross. Okay, from all accounts, that's what I thought.

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<v Speaker 6>Totally gross.

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<v Speaker 7>And so I would go down to the guitar store

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<v Speaker 7>all the time, and this guy he kept noticing me,

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<v Speaker 7>and then he he said, uh, I got something for you.

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<v Speaker 7>And he brought this bass up and I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>if you can see it, but he said that I

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<v Speaker 7>can't confirm it. He said it was one of Jocko's

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<v Speaker 7>and he had the tempotenttrum.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it was.

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<v Speaker 6>Broken glued together and he glued it together.

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<v Speaker 7>And I got to say, I don't this is terrible

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<v Speaker 7>saying my partner's probably. This is my friend, this is

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<v Speaker 7>my one true friend. It just gives me solace and

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<v Speaker 7>I've I just it just really changed my life. It's

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<v Speaker 7>the first instrument I had that was I feel mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's got the energy.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a six sixty four neck with a sixty three body.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool. Yeah, yeah, what do you want to we

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<v Speaker 1>could do trouble or we could do the power, to

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<v Speaker 1>do power, Let's do.

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<v Speaker 6>Power, because I like I want to play with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, to be honest, I love that you suggested

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<v Speaker 1>this song. Oh good A huge Curtis Mayfield fan and too,

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<v Speaker 1>I just yeah, this song is deep.

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<v Speaker 6>Who did you listen to growing up? Though?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 5>What was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of Aretha and Ray Charles and Willie

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson and Parker So. I grew up in Texas and

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<v Speaker 1>my mom's from Oklahoma, so it was kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of that country.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you feel if you don't mind, I guess that's

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<v Speaker 7>for my own podcast I don't have. But as a

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<v Speaker 7>mixed racial person, do you feel like it makes you

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<v Speaker 7>able to really see it just as sound waves and

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<v Speaker 7>not as genres?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think category has always eluded me. Yes, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think in genre.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I think just listening to Ray Charles or

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<v Speaker 1>Willie or you know, they're not really genre. They're all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place.

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<v Speaker 6>Just good songs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm trying to get out that I feel sometimes I'm

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<v Speaker 7>put in a box, and I just I had a

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<v Speaker 7>parent who just listened from bluegrass to Pharaoh Saunders, and

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<v Speaker 7>I always wondered though, did your upbringing maybe affect.

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<v Speaker 6>You that way?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably? Yeah, But I also always felt on the fringe

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<v Speaker 1>because I never really knew where I fit in and

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't musically.

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<v Speaker 4>What I realized is we all feel that.

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<v Speaker 1>Way a little bit, right, So yeah, I think when

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that it got easier. Everybody's awkward at the party.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody is awkward.

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<v Speaker 4>I tell my.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids when they are nervous to go into the birthday party.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, everyone's that's the party. Yeah. Did you spend

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of time with.

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<v Speaker 1>Your dad No, growing up, But I did once I

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<v Speaker 1>got turned eighteen. I mean I saw him like every

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<v Speaker 1>year or so in a hotel room. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>think when I was little we spent more time with them,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I spent very little time with them, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we were strange for about nine years completely.

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<v Speaker 4>But then when I was eighteen, we were united and

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<v Speaker 4>it was really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was like healing a lot of healing, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I spent a lot of time with them.

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<v Speaker 4>For an adult, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Mean, yeah, Well, my friend, my friend Paul says, like

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<v Speaker 7>the time you have with your children is very short.

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<v Speaker 7>You have a much longer span of interaction as adults, like,

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<v Speaker 7>that's what the relationship?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, my mom and I are very close. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a weird thing now that I have kids.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you think about it that way, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for let me ask.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not a I don't google people because somebody's like,

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<v Speaker 7>did you feel prepared for this?

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<v Speaker 6>And I was like, not googling her?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I googled you.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my yeah, don't believe a word.

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<v Speaker 11>All right, No, I mean, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I sometimes I feel underprepared for these because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know enough. But I like, I like just

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out and you know, we just find our way.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, this is the connection to music exactly.

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<v Speaker 11>We want the power for the people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all we.

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<v Speaker 11>Ask in our country.

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<v Speaker 13>Deed, the sick and hungry are nabel protect them and

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<v Speaker 13>looms who may live and feed We, as the young

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<v Speaker 13>wished to sing in the song Godless Way America, we

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<v Speaker 13>get thanks to.

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<v Speaker 11>The old for achieving The goal is now up to us,

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<v Speaker 11>and we know, oh we must build up a church.

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<v Speaker 14>We were the power for the people. That's all we

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<v Speaker 14>ask in our country. Deed, sick and hungry artieble.

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<v Speaker 13>Protect them in thoms when we live in fee power

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<v Speaker 13>for the people, power for the people, power for the people,

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<v Speaker 13>power for the people.

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<v Speaker 11>Hardening crimes.

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<v Speaker 13>He is a part of the times, but it's rough

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<v Speaker 13>for some people to live, to see or fast.

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<v Speaker 11>But it don't have to last.

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<v Speaker 15>It is now the nation's.

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<v Speaker 13>Turn for all to be concerned but can be free still.

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<v Speaker 11>It is the people's will.

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<v Speaker 16>Bring back the powerful people.

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<v Speaker 13>And so we ask in our country deed the sick

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<v Speaker 13>and homey nable, protect them and those who may live

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<v Speaker 13>in fear.

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<v Speaker 16>Powerful, the people powerful, the people powerful, the people powerful,

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<v Speaker 16>the people.

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<v Speaker 9>How do popo pa papa pa papa?

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<v Speaker 11>Yes man?

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<v Speaker 4>That felt good. I love Curtis Mayfield so much.

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<v Speaker 1>You do, I do? I mean who doesn't? Right?

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<v Speaker 7>Game changes amazing Also yeah, yeah, especially about purpose and

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<v Speaker 7>what you're singing about and four really really changed that

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<v Speaker 7>for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and the heart, I mean it's all there.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and then the chops and the harmony, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Whole thing, quiet singing with intent.

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<v Speaker 1>Also like that falsetto you know, I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty deep.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a game changing, Yeah, incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>And also just this song, I'm reading a song I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading a book like it's like historical fiction. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reading a book based in Vietnam War and that era.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, I'm feeling feeling so connected to that time.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, especially probably what history doesn't repeat itself, but

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<v Speaker 7>it does rhyme, it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Rhyme quite rhymes. Yeah, it's incredibly baffling sometimes.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine what it was like to.

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<v Speaker 6>Experience. I mean I kind of.

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<v Speaker 7>Do, but like I've watched a Baird Rusting documentary and

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<v Speaker 7>i watched I'm Not Your Negro Again because we're about

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<v Speaker 7>to go out and do Baldwin music and Kent State

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<v Speaker 7>where they just shot the students, and also think imagining

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<v Speaker 7>because I have some friends who came back from Desert

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<v Speaker 7>Storm and they still feel like society looks at them

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<v Speaker 7>a certain way. Really, I couldn't imagine Vietnam. I just

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<v Speaker 7>can't imagine what that was like.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm getting to the point in the book where

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<v Speaker 1>they're just going home and they're being split on and

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty I mean, I knew that that happened, but

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<v Speaker 1>just seeing it. When you can read a story and

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<v Speaker 1>they can make it a story for you, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>very helpful for me to to really feel what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, and there's no side.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm literally learning that as I as I get older,

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<v Speaker 7>Like you know, left wing, right wing, same dirty bird.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's true from an old person.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I love that. I mean it is things are

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<v Speaker 1>complex and nuanced, and you know, in today's sound bite age,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hard for for people to like just brush

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<v Speaker 1>that off and realize that. Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you read the news a lot?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I mean I read enough.

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<v Speaker 6>You watch TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not entrenched in the news though, like most people

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<v Speaker 1>you watch TV. No, I watched TV shows. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>watch like, Okay, your show is tell me what's your

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<v Speaker 1>TV what's your favorite TV show?

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<v Speaker 7>You can tell me, you can edited out. I just

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<v Speaker 7>want to know for my own personal.

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<v Speaker 1>Joy, your own personal joy. What am I rewatching?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh you rewatch Okay, that's interesting, not really Okay, what

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<v Speaker 7>are you watching?

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<v Speaker 6>What are you watching?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, I'm reading a book, which is makes me

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<v Speaker 1>so happy because like otherwise, I'll just watch TV till

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<v Speaker 1>two in the morning.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what do you watch?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching The Pit and.

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<v Speaker 6>I love him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's emotional but yeah, I don't know. I like I

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<v Speaker 1>like all the dystopian stuff, do you. Yeah, it's weird

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<v Speaker 1>how we're drawing to that.

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<v Speaker 6>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's scary.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because sometimes I want the I want my storytelling

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<v Speaker 7>to reflect my moment of now. But I'm realizing being

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<v Speaker 7>even being here, it's not dystopian. And I have my

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<v Speaker 7>godchild and my friends. Good things are happening, and I

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<v Speaker 7>really hope people remember that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, are you entrenched in the new?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 7>No, No, I don't. I don't thanks to my godchild.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't do Instagram. I literally, if I didn't have

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<v Speaker 7>to Uber, I literally go days without the phone.

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<v Speaker 6>That's nice, that's the screen.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel tied to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I don't feel like I'm doing anything fun

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<v Speaker 1>on it. I'm just taking care of business all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's your desk and your ATM.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, dealing with my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Patient portals.

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<v Speaker 6>You just don't bring up patient portals. Yeah, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>Portals, the portals into madness.

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<v Speaker 7>Madness, and I really like that word portal from my side,

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<v Speaker 7>but they've totally changed it.

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<v Speaker 4>They've ruined the word for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. All right, are you about to go on

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<v Speaker 1>tour with this James Baldwin.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought I thought it was over.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, we've been playing it since twenty sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 7>I must admit it's it's a speaking of like doing

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<v Speaker 7>a sad song. It's really it's hard work to live

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<v Speaker 7>in because it is so close to the surface of

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<v Speaker 7>your own daily struggle sometimes so but like your agent

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<v Speaker 7>tells you, like, that's what they ask for.

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<v Speaker 6>The program they want, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's such a beautiful piece of music connected

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<v Speaker 1>to such a beautiful message.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you're so kind, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it really speaks to people, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, but well that's the other thing we've been

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 7>it's like been trying. I wish everybody would read it

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<v Speaker 7>then they just understand. This is like he told, try

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<v Speaker 7>to tell you. Yeah, I tell you.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I guess when you go on tour, is it always promotional?

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<v Speaker 7>You're promoting a record, do you I tried to stop that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>so you choose sets, you like.

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<v Speaker 4>I about five or six years ago I tried to start.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my kids were little too, so I started

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<v Speaker 1>going out in littler versions and not trying to burn

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<v Speaker 1>myself out doing an album thing. But when I put

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<v Speaker 1>an album out a couple of years ago. I did

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<v Speaker 1>go a little harder, for sure, but I try to

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<v Speaker 1>do like little like keep your toe in the water,

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>so you're staying creative. I started releasing singles so that

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it would be a little more like, we have one

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>new song to play, and.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's just we're just playing music, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's been nice.

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<v Speaker 6>Your husband a musician.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's great. Okay, he plays piano and organ. Two

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>piano players. We have a whole lot of pianos.

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<v Speaker 6>I call that the crazy people. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like Bud Piles, y'all already got it some

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<v Speaker 7>other because it's the mast is percussive, it's harmonic, it's melodic.

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<v Speaker 4>It is kind of like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a few years ago I realized that

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't using my whole instrument and that I could

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<v Speaker 1>be more more think of it more like my whole orchestra.

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<v Speaker 1>And that opened up a lot of stuff for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that I am quite you know, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 1>virtuous or anything, but it did open it up.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm really enjoyed playing with you. Yeah and hi, Yeah, thanks, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>all right. I want to do price of the ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is from the James Brolin album. You mean

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<v Speaker 1>this song struck me so much?

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks? So were you brought up with religion?

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<v Speaker 4>Methodist?

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<v Speaker 6>Telest I do judge the congregation about the song choices?

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<v Speaker 4>I did. I will say I learned how to sing

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<v Speaker 4>in church choir.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was it was special. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you a person of faith now or like dare say, atheist?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not an atheist agnostic. I think I'm just more spiritual.

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<v Speaker 1>But I try to go to church with my kids

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like it's a nice community and like

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<v Speaker 1>a moment of meditation.

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<v Speaker 4>But we make it a few times a year.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm glad you said that. I appreciate that. Yeah a man.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh I like them all. Yeah, I know about them

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<v Speaker 6>all or read about them all.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you're a student of it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well yeah, or I'm so.

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<v Speaker 7>I've had such dogma as trying to clear my mind,

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<v Speaker 7>have better understanding, and also to be culturally fluid. And

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<v Speaker 7>more so I try the nothingness, like thinking there's just

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<v Speaker 7>absolutely nothing and all of this is just chance. And

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<v Speaker 7>it made me extremely nihilistic, and so I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 7>find the middle way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it made you a nihilistic. Does that mean it

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>made you not care about anything?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh? I was just like, okay, if that's the case.

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think there's a point of getting up.

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<v Speaker 7>And it was nothing scarier than someone who has nothing

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<v Speaker 7>to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 7>So in my limited see good verb man.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my god, did you grow up in church?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, well I had a very real Baptist and

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 7>like born again. My mother is extremely religious, and then

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 7>my father found it in the end as he made

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<v Speaker 7>a great journey. But one of my yeah, I am

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<v Speaker 7>experiencing one of my mentors. They're about to make the

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<v Speaker 7>Great adventure. They've been told that the great adventure is

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<v Speaker 7>coming soon. And it's interesting to watch him experience it

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<v Speaker 7>as a mind exercise. He's very of the mind, and

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<v Speaker 7>so I'm I'm observing him. I have to reconcile that

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<v Speaker 7>you you are a body.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, yeah, and so that is that is something experience.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you are a body, yes and wow. And I think,

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<v Speaker 7>especially like in Hinduism or just some people are warriors,

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 7>some people are soldiers. Some people that is their.

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<v Speaker 6>Gift.

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm really trying to find the grace to understand that.

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<v Speaker 6>That is.

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<v Speaker 7>The center of being that you have to reconcile with

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<v Speaker 7>and learn to wield your physical power. And so for me,

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<v Speaker 7>the price of the ticket is understanding that both sides

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<v Speaker 7>of the battle. I just I just have to have

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<v Speaker 7>humility because I can't imagine. I can't, but it's hard

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<v Speaker 7>to imagine that that is your energetic frequency.

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<v Speaker 17>All right, whoa, whoah, whoa?

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<v Speaker 6>Tell me if that help me get you see you come, whoa.

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<v Speaker 18>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just walking trying to get hold. I ain't doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>Leave me alone, nor.

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<v Speaker 19>Give me wings to fly before they shoot me down

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<v Speaker 19>and I die. Don't let them shoe me.

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<v Speaker 7>Down and I.

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<v Speaker 9>Bow.

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<v Speaker 6>Put down your gun, take your hands off me.

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<v Speaker 11>Boy, put down your gun. Take your hands off me. Officer,

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<v Speaker 11>officer of.

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<v Speaker 3>Hoh, you're afraid like me, but look at my hat.

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<v Speaker 3>Please don't shoot me.

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<v Speaker 20>Whoa, boot down your gun, take your hands off me. Boh,

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<v Speaker 20>put down your gun, take your hands off me.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you see, you know what I mean. It's like

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<v Speaker 6>you go out there and like it's like you wait

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<v Speaker 6>for the claps after that. Now I'm not waiting for

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 6>the claps after that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like a weird exchange.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, most people just because it's so intense.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, but that's what's weird about touring that and

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:16.240
<v Speaker 7>but uh yeah because I yeah, empathy, trying to have empathy,

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 7>trying to really practice that as a human.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and it's rough, It is rough.

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 11>But I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite line in this is I know you're afraid

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>like me, and that is that is saying a lot.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean I'm petrified. Yeah, and yeah, just learning a lot. Meet,

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 7>I too, am learning that I am a body. I

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 7>live in my head and when I see such a

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 7>loss of life, it's, uh, it's just I just I

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:02.760
<v Speaker 7>just really thought we would have evolve as the human

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 7>species to understand the nature of violence. Like I said,

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 7>that's why I try to understand the soldier, because I'm

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 7>sure the people in Ukraine feel a specific way juxtaposed

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 7>to the people in Russia. The soldiers fighting, but I

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 7>have to understand these are just young men, especially having

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 7>a son, and when you're conscripted at eighteen nineteen, I

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 7>just remember myself at that age and up till twenty five.

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<v Speaker 6>I just know that that core of my being was

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 6>not yet fully formed. And so just yeah, I just

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 6>try to really have empathy towards them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good way to approach anyone. You know,

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 1>when you strip it all away, we're all just these

0:37:54.280 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 1>little souls with issues and trauma, you misinformation, and we're

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:07.720
<v Speaker 1>just thinking we're doing the right thing. Everyone else probably

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:08.959
<v Speaker 1>thinks they're doing the right.

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<v Speaker 7>Thing, and I know I'm not yea and some people,

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.399
<v Speaker 7>and yeah, even the wanting of the collapse changes as

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 7>you progress through time learning about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this has been amazing. I'm so glad you came. Yeah,

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>it's so nice to share.

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<v Speaker 4>Time with you. Thanks for spending it with me.

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<v Speaker 6>I appreciate that.

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 4>And you're going on tour.

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<v Speaker 6>For the Yeah, for how long?

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<v Speaker 7>Just for a couple of weeks and then we'll go

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<v Speaker 7>to Europe and yeah, and how big is the band?

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<v Speaker 8>Uh?

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 7>It's five of us, Jake Sherman on Oregon, Chris Bruce

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 7>on the guitar, A Browns on drums, and Justin Hicks

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 7>the amazing vocalists, And we co wrote a lot of

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 7>that together. It was just like, I'm still a fan

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 7>of people, and I'm just Ustin's biggest fan, and I

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 7>am just humbled every time he opens his mouth. And

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 7>so it's good to be in the beginner's mind. I'm

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 7>just holding on and just trying to be a good

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 7>supportive you know, bandmate. And it's and it's it's special

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 7>when we go. But like I said, it's got a

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 7>heaviness to it. But like I said, learning a lot, Well,

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.800
<v Speaker 7>that sounds beautiful. Oh did you watch it Ed Sullivan

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 7>documentary and how they recommend it?

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<v Speaker 6>That's great?

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because also it's on Netflix. Are you sponsored?

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Now?

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 11>We are Netflix.

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 7>I The part that got me was Nat King Cole

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 7>and Harry Belafonte and Pearl Bailey.

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 6>They were performing in action.

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 19>They are.

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 7>Activists at this moment in time and and and it

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<v Speaker 7>just was really helped me understand some things. I want

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 7>you to laugh and I want you to have a

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 7>good time, and that is the activism as well and

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 7>performing well and being a decent human being. It just

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 7>really like now I'm God bless ed Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't wait to watch it now.

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:19.839
<v Speaker 6>It's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great. No, I do think there's something in

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:29.879
<v Speaker 1>that singing truth, you know, just singing from your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a part of it.

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<v Speaker 6>You want to do trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is on the Baldwin album as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love this one.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm telling you, I know how I started singing?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, how did you start singing?

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 7>I was writing all these songs and I would want

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:55.320
<v Speaker 7>singers to come and they never showed up, and so

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 7>I just started doing it. And then I also have

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 7>to thank Craig Street. Like bitter is the the moment

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<v Speaker 7>someone was pushing me to sing because I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>unlike jay Z, I don't think I would have aged

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 7>well as an MC. And I'm you know, so I'm

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 7>like a very shy singer.

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<v Speaker 1>You sing very quiet. I noticed, But I love that

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 1>because it makes me want to listen harder.

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<v Speaker 6>It's called the other fear. So yeah, I'm gonna let you.

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<v Speaker 7>Plus I must admit it's like amazing, and thank you

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:38.360
<v Speaker 7>for singing the songs because that is like really.

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<v Speaker 6>Just and puts a person in awe and I'm grateful.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm grateful to thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>How does that tempo?

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<v Speaker 5>Feel?

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<v Speaker 17>Sorry that.

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<v Speaker 6>What's some of the world for?

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<v Speaker 1>Trouble?

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 18>That's what we're in. Everyone start for the strouble till

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<v Speaker 18>it begins.

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<v Speaker 1>Fame makes you humble.

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 10>It is hard to sing What's some of the world for?

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<v Speaker 18>Just be be right here right now that time, Just

0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 18>be be right here. Right now, ah bad, just be

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 18>being right here right that we can los up with

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 18>a struggle starts right here today.

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<v Speaker 21>All my talk about the truth. It's time to make

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<v Speaker 21>a change. But a aching hard's the use?

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.720
<v Speaker 11>What's another word of job?

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:56.759
<v Speaker 6>That's when win.

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 10>Everyone starts for the struggle till it begins pain macal homebook,

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 10>Who is hard to sing? What's another word for trouble?

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 11>Sound connected?

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 10>And you should see.

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 9>How much this Churches movie mes.

0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 11>It's like a farm, but a got you.

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:01.279
<v Speaker 3>If you do.

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<v Speaker 15>No thing, it's quite as fool or in discreet, no

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 15>violent tongue, no loose I see you small.

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 10>What's another word for trouble?

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:37.280
<v Speaker 18>Because that's what we wearing.

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 10>Everyone's down for the struggle until it begins. Pain makes

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 10>your homebo HER's heart saying, what's another word for trouble?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so special.

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<v Speaker 6>I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you Chris for joining Yeah, thanks and thanks

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Michelle so nice to hang and play.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh thanks.

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:13.439
<v Speaker 1>You speak about things that are really beautiful and really nice.

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 6>I appreciate you, and I hope you enjoy your life

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 6>and your children, and I can't wait to see what

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 6>you make in Texas. I'm so exciting.

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.280
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, thanks for everything.

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 6>Thanks all right, thank you everybody.

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>That was fun to play. Yeah, she's badass, she really is.

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 1>And sweet, super sweet and genuine.

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was great, just like you know, one of

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 4>those artists I feel like, who.

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Lives and breathes sort of what they're doing in a

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.840
<v Speaker 1>way that is really special. If you want to know

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 1>what songs we played in this episode, we did the

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>song Bitter, which was the title track from her album Bitter,

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 1>which came out in nineteen ninety nine. Second song was

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Powered the People classic Curtis Mayfield song from Sweet Exorcist,

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.359
<v Speaker 1>which came out in nineteen seventy four, and a demo

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:11.359
<v Speaker 1>version also appears on the expanded album of his called

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Curtis from nineteen seventy. The third song we did is

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 1>called the Price of the Ticket. That song is from

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:21.800
<v Speaker 1>No More Water The Gospel of James Baldwin, which was

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 1>released in twenty twenty four. The fourth song was Trouble

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:28.720
<v Speaker 1>from No More Water as well. Special thanks to Michelle

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and Degocello for joining us today, and special thanks to

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Chris Bruce for joining us on guitar.

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<v Speaker 11>To day.

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<v Speaker 1>Visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while

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