WEBVTT - Texas Set To Execute Second Man In A Week For Brutal Triple Murder

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, September 23rd, and the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Texas is scheduled to execute a man in

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of hours for the exact same crime the

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<v Speaker 1>state executed another man for just last week. And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. It seems odd.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just here a week ago. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And Texas is, yes, today set to execute another 41-year-old

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<v Speaker 2>Kershawn Ramey, set to die by lethal injection. And it's for,

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<v Speaker 2>as you pointed out, the exact same crime his cohort

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<v Speaker 2>was executed for last week, LeJames Norman. So this will

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<v Speaker 2>make Kershawn Ramey the sixth person executed this year in

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<v Speaker 2>the state of Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen crimes in recent years where Two people participated.

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<v Speaker 1>Only one got the death penalty. We've seen things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of these cases. These two guys participated

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<v Speaker 1>in this crime. They got the exact same sentence and robes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's being carried out pretty much at the exact same time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one week apart.

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<v Speaker 2>And this all came from a 2005 armed burglary that

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<v Speaker 2>went terribly wrong and turned into a triple murder. And

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<v Speaker 2>it happened in a small town, Edna, Texas, about 100

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<v Speaker 2>miles southwest of Houston, just to kind of give you

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<v Speaker 2>a visual on where this town is. And According to prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 2>they were looking to score some cocaine.

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<v Speaker 1>The two guys are being executed because they wanted some drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>They were 19 and 20.

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<v Speaker 1>Years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a part of that that's just a damn.

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<v Speaker 2>It's awful, but they brought a weapon to the scene,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way the story goes, this was their neighbor.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe they lived.

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<v Speaker 2>Across the street from this man. His name was Celso Lopez,

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<v Speaker 2>and they barged into his home, 38-year-old man, again their neighbor,

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<v Speaker 2>held him at gunpoint and basically started ransacking the house

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<v Speaker 2>looking for cocaine. They didn't find the cocaine, and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know exactly how it happened, but allegedly, or I

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<v Speaker 2>guess this is what they determined, LeJames Norman, who was

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<v Speaker 2>executed last week, accidentally shot Lopez. About the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>roommates come walking in. 18-year-old Tiffany Peacock with her boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 2>24-year-old Sam Roberts, and they were in the wrong place

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<v Speaker 2>at the wrong time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't that something, babe? Just life and fate and how

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<v Speaker 1>this works out and the timing of all this is just...

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<v Speaker 1>What an awful... I mean, there's no death penalty case

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<v Speaker 1>we hear and you feel good about, right? It's just...

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those... They wanted drugs and it

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<v Speaker 1>turned into a triple murder.

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<v Speaker 2>And three people... senselessly lost their lives, who had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of life to live. But Norman forced Peacock, so

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<v Speaker 2>this is Tiffany Peacock, to her knees. shot her execution

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<v Speaker 2>style in the head. And then her boyfriend, Sam Roberts,

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<v Speaker 2>started to run, but they got him. Norman and Raimi

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<v Speaker 2>both shot him. And then here's the deal. Raimi, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's said to be executed tonight, went back apparently

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<v Speaker 2>and shot all three of them several more times to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure they were dead. That's as cold and as

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<v Speaker 2>calculated as they come.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we sometimes, and you and I know this,

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<v Speaker 1>how do they make a determination? This one deserves a

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty, and that one doesn't. Prosecutors, when they do this, Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>there are differences in these crimes, in murders, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these we cover is some of the most

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<v Speaker 1>heinous and unbelievable stuff you will ever hear. Well, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a heinousness. There are aggravating circumstances, like they often

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<v Speaker 1>say to these cases, that these are the worst of

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<v Speaker 1>the worst, babe.

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<v Speaker 2>Truly.

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<v Speaker 1>These crimes are the worst of the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>And you think about it. Look, we say there were

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<v Speaker 2>only 19 and 20, but to think that a 19-year-old

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<v Speaker 2>and a 20-year-old were capable of that kind of violence,

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<v Speaker 2>that's scary to think if this hadn't happened then, what

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<v Speaker 2>more could have happened had they not gotten caught eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, both of these men had attorneys involved. fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for them in terms of appeals, talking about their terrible

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<v Speaker 2>childhoods and how abused they were as kids. And that

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<v Speaker 2>all very well may be true to get to a

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<v Speaker 2>point where you could be that young and have that

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<v Speaker 2>much violence inside of you. But look, the attorneys for

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<v Speaker 2>Ramey are now filing, they filed their final appeal to

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<v Speaker 2>the U.S. Supreme Court. That is what every death row

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<v Speaker 2>inmate gets to do before their execution, if they so choose.

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<v Speaker 2>And their big point is there was no physical evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>linking him to the killings.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They also claimed that jurors never got to hear about

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<v Speaker 2>how he suffered physical abuse as a child and grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in poverty. But wouldn't you say that almost would

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much every person on death row could check those boxes?

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<v Speaker 2>And if that were some sort of mitigating circumstance or

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of circumstance that would allow them to not

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<v Speaker 2>face the death penalty, I would argue most people on

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<v Speaker 2>death row probably would have their sentences commuted to life

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<v Speaker 2>if that was going to be the point at which

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<v Speaker 2>they would say, okay, well, we feel sorry for you

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<v Speaker 2>because you had a tough life.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Robe, that doesn't work. A lot of these guys

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<v Speaker 1>do have awful, really terrible backgrounds. It's no exception here, bae, but.

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<v Speaker 2>This....

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how. I didn't see anywhere, Robes, you

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<v Speaker 1>help me, if we got an explanation. This can't be

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<v Speaker 1>a coincidence. But if they consciously said, yes, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure we get this over with at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. Like, what is it that, like a strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>You think about DeSantis over in Florida. He has a

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<v Speaker 1>mindset of, you know what, it doesn't make sense to

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<v Speaker 1>not have these families get justice for 30 years, 40 years.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me start clearing some of these out. were they

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<v Speaker 1>keeping the victims' families in mind in doing this, to

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<v Speaker 1>not have to wait on another one to have the completion,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, of justice, which is both of these

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<v Speaker 1>guys being executed?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not heard any official word on that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that would make a whole lot of sense. Because, look,

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<v Speaker 2>these families, and you've got three separate families who have

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<v Speaker 2>been through hell and have been waiting for justice.

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<v Speaker 1>For 21 years or so. It's on the short end

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<v Speaker 1>these days, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, that is below average in terms of the wait

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<v Speaker 2>time from conviction to actually carrying out a death sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been covering these, they, some families have had to

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<v Speaker 2>wait and have lost people in the process who would

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<v Speaker 2>have liked to see this come to fruition. But some,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a guy on death row for 50 years.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, 21 years is relatively quick. But, um, in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, Ramey was convicted and his cohort, Norman, he

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<v Speaker 2>actually went on the run, right? He, he wasn't arrested

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<v Speaker 2>for five more months after the killings. Cause he went

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<v Speaker 2>off to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>And didn't want to stay in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Decided to try to cross the border again, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the point at which he was actually apprehended. But he

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<v Speaker 2>pleaded guilty, and I'm sure it's because he saw how

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<v Speaker 2>things went for Ramey, which he was convicted for the crime.

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<v Speaker 2>But no plea.

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<v Speaker 1>No deal. Excuse me. No plea deal in that they

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<v Speaker 1>still had their say in how they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>sentence him. You thought they would say, yeah, I'll plead

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<v Speaker 1>guilty if you take the death penalty off the table. table,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not what happened. And look, during the trial,

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<v Speaker 2>Ramey's attorneys tried to blame all of the shootings on Norman.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that is what you would expect. But both

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<v Speaker 2>of these men had death penalties returned by the juries after,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, Norman didn't have a conviction. He just pleaded guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I still don't understand how that was okay

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<v Speaker 2>to plead guilty knowing that that you weren't getting any

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<v Speaker 2>sort of leniency when it came to sentencing and that

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<v Speaker 2>you too would face the death penalty. So, and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>he has seen what happened with Norman and Norman, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe he had no last words, nothing to say, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's never been any explanation, no apology, no nothing when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to these murders, this triple murders, these triple murders.

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<v Speaker 1>And what is it? He's the sixth or the seventh now?

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<v Speaker 2>He will be the sixth person to, set to die

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<v Speaker 2>in the state of Texas. And by the way, there

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<v Speaker 2>are still three more scheduled executions in that state alone

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<v Speaker 2>through the end of the year. And we've seen, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>governors and Florida leading the way, continuing to sign. death warrants.

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<v Speaker 2>So we don't know. There could be more. But at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, it looks like Texas will have executed nine

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<v Speaker 2>people if all things go as planned this year. But

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back, we're going to tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>one of the family members, Tiffany Peacock, we mentioned, 18

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<v Speaker 2>years old. She had just graduated from high school, had

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<v Speaker 2>plans to go to college, had plans to become a veterinarian.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to hear from her sister reacting to to

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that both of her sister's killers being put

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<v Speaker 2>to death one week apart. Welcome back everyone to Amy

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<v Speaker 2>and TJ. Yes, Texas executing its sixth inmate this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Kershawn Ramey, 41 years old, set to die

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<v Speaker 2>by lethal injection. One week ago, his cohort, LeJames Norman,

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<v Speaker 2>was executed for the triple murders that took place back

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<v Speaker 2>in 2005. And one of the victims, 18-year-old Tiffany Peacock,

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<v Speaker 2>and her sister was interviewed by some local media outlets.

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<v Speaker 2>in anticipation of these executions. And she talked about, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so weird, we've been covering this American Idol trial. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the contestants on American Idol is accused of murdering

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<v Speaker 2>his wife. So that's in the headlines and going on

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<v Speaker 2>right now. But interestingly, I just thought this was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of chilling given that Tiffany was planning, was about to

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<v Speaker 2>try out for American Idol. It was her dream. She

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<v Speaker 2>had a beautiful voice, according to her sister. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is a quote, and I think this is so important

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<v Speaker 2>because we do get fixated on the murders on the murderers,

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<v Speaker 2>on the men who were on death row. But Tiffany's

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<v Speaker 2>sister said this about her, her whole life was still

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of her. We always believed she would have done

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly well if she had gotten that chance, talking about

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<v Speaker 2>American Idol. What I hope people remember is not simply

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<v Speaker 2>how Tiffany died, but how she lived and who she was.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a daughter, a sister to a friend, and

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<v Speaker 2>someone who was deeply loved. Her life mattered before it

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<v Speaker 2>ever became a part of a court case, and it

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<v Speaker 2>still matters today. I just think it's always important to

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<v Speaker 2>remember that there are people grieving these victims. And she

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<v Speaker 2>said that she is not going to attend the execution

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<v Speaker 2>to She didn't attend the one before. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I did read, Norman, not one victim's family member and

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<v Speaker 2>none of his family members. No one came to his execution.

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<v Speaker 2>She just said it's too difficult emotionally. And she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>view executions as something to celebrate. She said, I take

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<v Speaker 2>no pleasure in it. I'm not celebrating it. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>closure at this point. But it's nothing she needed to

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<v Speaker 2>witness herself. And look, every family member dies. feels differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people need to see it and want to see

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<v Speaker 2>it and want to look those people in the eye.

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<v Speaker 2>And other people have even asked for leniency. They've even

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<v Speaker 2>asked for forgiveness from the governor. Not that it's worked,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's so interesting to see different reactions by different

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<v Speaker 2>family members.

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<v Speaker 1>These are always heavy nights. We cover a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these stories. And from every angle, it's heavy and it's

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<v Speaker 1>sad and never celebratory. We're going through these ceremonial Of

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<v Speaker 1>ending someone's life as a government. That's, Robes, to say

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<v Speaker 1>out loud, that's uncomfortable. Just the idea of death, ceremoniously

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<v Speaker 1>executing someone. You got the victims and you have the victims' families,

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<v Speaker 1>but you do, Robes, as well. To hear how no

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<v Speaker 1>one attended his execution.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody cared enough. That somebody's life was ending. Nobody in

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<v Speaker 1>your family gave a damn that your life was ending.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sad, too. These stories are just awful. And these

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<v Speaker 1>are heavy nights, baby. And there's been more and more

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<v Speaker 1>of them. I get it. Whatever side. It's not politics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just we should all feel the weight of another execution.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and for Tiffany's sister to say that it's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate, that is, I mean, I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a somber day. It is a somber moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't lost on me.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>How young these men were when they committed their crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>19 and 20. So they were 40 and 41 when

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<v Speaker 2>they were executed. But guess what? They still both outlived

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<v Speaker 2>all of their victims' ages. They killed a 38-year-old man.

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<v Speaker 2>an 18-year-old girl and a 24-year-old guy. And both of

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<v Speaker 2>these convicted murderers outlived all of them. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that to get this closure for family members, whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not they choose to attend these executions, I think at

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<v Speaker 2>least gives them something, some sense of justice. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>bring their loved ones back. And I do think every

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<v Speaker 2>time we hear from the victim's family about who these

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<v Speaker 2>victims were, we always try to include them because yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the spotlight, the headlines, the names of the murderers tend

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<v Speaker 2>to become what people focus on. And I know some

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<v Speaker 2>people don't have the emotional bandwidth to talk about sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>their loved ones, but I love being able to tell

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<v Speaker 2>a story. Not everyone spoke up. Celso Lopez's family and

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Roberts' family, we didn't hear from them, but just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to include Tiffany Peacock and who she was and

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<v Speaker 2>what her hopes and dreams were and just honor her

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<v Speaker 2>memory in doing so. But we always appreciate you listening

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<v Speaker 2>to us, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We

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<v Speaker 2>will talk to you soon.