Speaker 1: I'll never leave your filthy bed. I stay the night
Speaker 1: and one night weekend.
Speaker 2: Two or three years.
Speaker 1: The kids are not all right, but that's okay because
Speaker 1: no one here is.
Speaker 2: Hello, Fanyel Dishels, and welcome back to Teen Beat, a
Speaker 2: podcast where I sit with interesting people who've done interesting
Speaker 2: things in order to investigate origin stories, embarrassing, warts, and all.
Speaker 2: Because it's a well-known fact that where we've been can
Speaker 2: tell us where we're going. I spent seven seasons on
Speaker 2: a TV show displaying all stages of puberty, so I
Speaker 2: see it like this. I gave you my childhood. It's
Speaker 2: time we hear yours. And this week, I am honored
Speaker 2: to be chatting with a fellow former teenage creative who
Speaker 2: navigated the waters of Y2K pop music, reality television, tabloid culture, TRL,
Speaker 2: and a once-in-a-generation emo haircut, only to survive and pop
Speaker 2: out the other side unscathed. At 19, he turned a
Speaker 2: self-recorded demo into an independent album into the debut major
Speaker 2: label single On The Way Down, an undeniable bop that
Speaker 2: landed him on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart, and
Speaker 2: he has never looked back. And fresh off the Pop
Speaker 2: 2000 tour, a concert perfectly crafted for a podcast called
Speaker 2: Teen Beat, we have a lot to talk about. Please
Speaker 2: welcome to the show, celebrating 20 years since his first hit,
Speaker 2: Ryan Cabrera.
Speaker 3: Wow, that was an intro. I just found those, by
Speaker 3: the way, in my wife's drawer.
Speaker 2: Were those some J-14s?
Speaker 3: This is what she has. Oh, my gosh. She did
Speaker 3: a podcast called Uncool, like maybe four or five years
Speaker 3: ago when we met. So she has like all this
Speaker 3: awesome nostalgic stuff.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't really go in here too often, but
Speaker 3: I'm now finding all these things in here, which is
Speaker 3: kind of fun for your podcast.
Speaker 2: That is so cute.
Speaker 3: The intro is amazing. You have the nice turquoise decor,
Speaker 3: the little mermaid.
Speaker 2: I know, look at us. It's perfect for Team Beat.
Speaker 2: I feel like those were the colors of those magazines
Speaker 2: you just held up.
Speaker 3: That's what's happening in here. What else does she have?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what else? What else she got in there? You
Speaker 2: got any teenage diaries? I have some teenage diaries in mind.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not allowed to do that. Yeah, don't go
Speaker 3: through those. I shouldn't dig too far.
Speaker 2: Don't go through those. Okay. I want to start in
Speaker 2: a place that truly matters. Let's talk about the hair.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay. I, you have always had wonderful locks. I want
Speaker 2: to focus on the 2003, 2004 and talk about that
Speaker 2: spiking process. How long did it take and what held
Speaker 2: it up?
Speaker 3: Actually, not that long because typically most of the shows
Speaker 3: or anything that I was doing was just leftover. It
Speaker 3: was the day after. The day after was always the best.
Speaker 3: First off, I will say it was inspired by originally, well,
Speaker 3: a couple of different people, but the Frosted Tips were
Speaker 3: inspired by Lance. Okay.
Speaker 2: Gotta give Lance the Frosted Tips credit.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah. I'll give Lance Frosted Tips credit along with
Speaker 3: Pacey from Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. There was an episode where he was frosting his
Speaker 3: tips and And I don't know, for some reason I
Speaker 3: was like, I want to do that. So I did
Speaker 3: that and it did not go over well. And I
Speaker 3: went to an all boys Catholic school and I showed
Speaker 3: up with frosted tips. Sometimes I would color them different
Speaker 3: colors and that's what started like the spiky thing. And
Speaker 3: it got a lot of attention, not in a good way.
Speaker 3: You know, I would, I get bullied a lot and
Speaker 3: all that stuff. Everyone made fun of me, but for
Speaker 3: some reason I was like, all right, I'm going to
Speaker 3: do it even further. So then I would dye them
Speaker 3: like blue or dye them red or dye them green.
Speaker 3: It would, you know, upset the teachers and stuff. So,
Speaker 3: That was, that was kind of where it all started.
Speaker 2: I love what that says about who you are and
Speaker 2: your personality that when you got teased for something, you
Speaker 2: doubled down instead of like backing down. I love that.
Speaker 2: I would like to instill that in my children. Although I, I,
Speaker 2: so far that's not how it's worked. My kid has
Speaker 2: come home and then been like, I'm never wearing that again.
Speaker 2: They made fun of me. And so you just doubled down.
Speaker 3: I did the opposite. I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 3: I'm doing something that clearly at that point, you guys are,
Speaker 3: paying attention to me. Like you're, you're worried about my
Speaker 3: hair and like all that kind of stuff. So I
Speaker 3: was like, all right, whatever. I'm just going to, I'm
Speaker 3: just going to go with it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Rent free, taking up space in your mind over there.
Speaker 2: What kept it up? Did you have like particular hair products?
Speaker 2: A lot of bed head.
Speaker 3: A lot of bed head. Yeah. And at the time
Speaker 3: I can't believe I didn't get a bed head sponsorship.
Speaker 2: I know. You should still have one.
Speaker 3: I know. I agree. But never, it never happened. And
Speaker 3: I did a, I did a TV show called score
Speaker 3: on MTV. That was after TRL every day. Yeah. And
Speaker 3: so I thought for sure, I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: going to get my bedhead sponsorship. Still no, never happened.
Speaker 2: Still no. We've got to manifest that. We've got to
Speaker 2: bring that into existence. Yeah. You and Lance were a
Speaker 2: few to use the blonde highlights well. You know, you
Speaker 2: pulled it off. You did it well. You did it
Speaker 2: the right way. So I don't know if there's a
Speaker 2: trophy for that, but if there was, I would give
Speaker 2: one to you and Lance.
Speaker 3: He gets the original and then we'll share it after that.
Speaker 2: Okay. I like that.
Speaker 3: I took over for him.
Speaker 2: Did also find this picture of you while I was
Speaker 2: doing research and it deserves its own award.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 3: OK, so there's a story with that.
Speaker 2: Please tell me what had happened.
Speaker 3: And that actually is me. I pull that up sometimes
Speaker 3: because people don't believe that's actually me. It looks like
Speaker 3: Inigo Montoya.
Speaker 2: I know. I saw the picture and I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: that's not him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: What happened? What had happened was the record label told
Speaker 3: me that in order to put out my third album
Speaker 3: that I needed to shave my head. so they wanted
Speaker 3: they wanted the shock just like you know they were
Speaker 3: talking the hair was like a thing whatever you know
Speaker 3: the spiky hair they're like okay you know what's going
Speaker 3: to promote this album even more is if you shave
Speaker 3: your head and i said well i don't want to
Speaker 3: shave my head and they said well you know it
Speaker 3: worked for rob thomas we did with him which i
Speaker 3: found out later because me and now rob had the
Speaker 3: same manager they're like they never told him that like
Speaker 3: that was all bs whatever so like oh all right
Speaker 3: well they definitely told me that so they told me
Speaker 3: i'd shave my head so i did the opposite so
Speaker 3: i grew it out long and then grew a mustache
Speaker 3: and a beard and that was my statement to, I'm
Speaker 3: not doing what the record label machine wants me to do.
Speaker 3: And then I got dropped.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: That has happened.
Speaker 2: You look fantastic there too.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I mean, to be able to pull
Speaker 3: off both. So the demographic changed a little bit. I
Speaker 3: will say it used to be like, you know, mothers
Speaker 3: bringing their, you know, their kids to the shows, their
Speaker 3: daughters and whatnot. And then it turned into just more
Speaker 3: of the mothers. Right.
Speaker 2: Just moms by themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That was my indie phase. It happens. We all
Speaker 3: go through that.
Speaker 2: I really love the indie phase. And again, it says
Speaker 2: so much about who you were, like who you were
Speaker 2: as a kid. People make fun of the tips.
Speaker 3: Gotta be yourself. You know, and like I said, like,
Speaker 3: I don't, did it get me dropped from the major
Speaker 3: record label? Yes. But you know, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I was happy.
Speaker 2: I was happy just being myself.
Speaker 3: And it's what I wanted to do. They wanted me
Speaker 3: to do one thing and it's not what I wanted
Speaker 3: to do. So I didn't, you know, just agree with
Speaker 3: what they told.
Speaker 1: Me to do.
Speaker 2: So that was that. I want to know more about, again,
Speaker 2: young you and the start of your music career. I
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about Kane, your high
Speaker 2: school band that you yourself. My fake band.
Speaker 3: Okay, fake band. It was my fake band. At the time,
Speaker 3: it was fake. So I told people that I was
Speaker 3: in a band, even though I didn't really play an
Speaker 3: instrument and I was not in a band at the time.
Speaker 3: But I wanted, you know, I was like, yeah, in
Speaker 3: my head, I was like, oh, in a band, like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's me and a couple of my other buddies.
Speaker 3: And then eventually it turned into me and my brother
Speaker 3: actually forming said band, Kane. And our first show was
Speaker 3: a battle of the bands. We were that confident. We
Speaker 3: were like, we're going to win this thing.
Speaker 2: We're going to win it.
Speaker 3: You and me, bro. We just entered a battle of
Speaker 3: the bands. Never played a show. Had never played one show.
Speaker 3: And I was actually writing the songs in the hallway
Speaker 3: as we were waiting in line to go up. So
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, here's how it's going to go. We're
Speaker 3: going to do this. And I did it. And then
Speaker 3: we played those songs. We didn't win.
Speaker 2: You didn't?
Speaker 3: Shocking.
Speaker 2: Did you come in second?
Speaker 3: Not even close okay we did not place but i
Speaker 3: will say three years later uh we were invited to
Speaker 3: play it was at smu uh in dallas it was
Speaker 3: the college and then we got invited three years later
Speaker 3: in my band rubik's groove uh which is a real
Speaker 3: band yes to play there and we did like a
Speaker 3: festival there and i was like oh this is where
Speaker 3: i got denied you know but it was inspiration i
Speaker 3: kept the you know all the letters of like the
Speaker 3: things that didn't work out you know we we applied
Speaker 3: for south by southwest like all these like awesome things.
Speaker 3: Cause we were very confident in ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And so we, you know, we thought we were, we
Speaker 3: were like, we're, we're going to make it no matter what.
Speaker 3: And so I kept all the letters, put them on
Speaker 3: the wall and then eventually made it back and headlined
Speaker 3: a festival there like three years later. Wow.
Speaker 2: That really is great.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Cause I was going to say you had self-described Kane
Speaker 2: as bad. And then I was going to ask you, well,
Speaker 2: what made it bad? But I guess really the only.
Speaker 3: Thing that we were making up the songs in the
Speaker 3: hallway on the way to the show.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 3: That'll do it.
Speaker 2: I also love a good high school band breakup story.
Speaker 2: How did you and your brother decide to dissolve Kane
Speaker 2: before you made Rubik's Cube?
Speaker 3: So my brother bought me studio time in Dallas for
Speaker 3: my birthday, but he could only afford a certain amount
Speaker 3: of hours because they charge by the hour. So he
Speaker 3: could only afford for me to go in solo. I
Speaker 3: couldn't afford for the band to come in and record.
Speaker 3: So I did three songs acoustic, just like one take.
Speaker 3: And the engineer was like, dude, I'm used to recording
Speaker 3: such other stuff that this is actually really refreshing for me.
Speaker 3: I love your voice. I love what you're doing. So
Speaker 3: why don't you come in and do a whole album free?
Speaker 3: I'm not going to charge you, but it's going to
Speaker 3: be you acoustic. And so that's kind of what led.
Speaker 3: And then that little acoustic album started to get traction
Speaker 3: in town. And then I was like, um... And that
Speaker 3: led to me meeting Joe Simpson and Joe saw me
Speaker 3: play acoustic and heard that album and was like, so
Speaker 3: you're going to move to L.A. with me and my family.
Speaker 3: And literally two days later, I didn't even have a
Speaker 3: pair of shoes. I had flip flops and a carry
Speaker 3: on suitcase. And I next day I'm living in L.A.
Speaker 3: with the Simpson family.
Speaker 2: Okay. How did you, did you discuss this with your parents?
Speaker 2: Because at this point you had briefly enrolled at the
Speaker 2: university of Texas, right?
Speaker 3: I was at UTD. I got three credits. No big deal. Wow.
Speaker 2: Three credits. Are you going to go back and finish?
Speaker 3: Nope.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: Well, those three credits are in racquetball. So, uh, never
Speaker 3: officially got, you know, I thought, you know, I knew
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do at that point. I was like,
Speaker 3: in my head, I'm playing music. That's it. There's no
Speaker 3: such thing as failure. I'm, I'm going to make it.
Speaker 3: And that was what's nice about, you know, being young
Speaker 3: and dumb and just believing, which is a beautiful thing
Speaker 3: that I think hopefully people can have even later in
Speaker 3: life after experience and all those things of, of failure
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. It's just like, no,
Speaker 3: this is happening and this is, here's how it's going
Speaker 3: to go. And I got very lucky. Obviously I worked, but,
Speaker 3: but I got very lucky to meet Joe and then
Speaker 3: fly out to LA and live with this beautiful house
Speaker 3: in Encino.
Speaker 2: So were your parents supportive when you just said, Hey, no,
Speaker 2: They're pissed.
Speaker 3: My dad, my dad was always like, no, you got
Speaker 3: to get a real job. You're going to school. Do
Speaker 3: you get a job? This is how this works. And
Speaker 3: I was kind of anti all that. And then, uh,
Speaker 3: my brother was pretty upset because he was like, yo,
Speaker 3: you left me. I was supposed to be your manager.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I got a, I got an opportunity to, you know,
Speaker 3: to go to LA and like actually do this for real,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of thing. And, um, It was, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was not supported by my parents. Even after, I'll
Speaker 3: be honest, like even after selling like, you know, 2
Speaker 3: million albums, they, my dad still was like, so when
Speaker 3: are you going to get an actual job? I'm like, dad,
Speaker 3: I just sold out Wiltern. You know, I'm like, I
Speaker 3: just played Madison Square Garden. Like I'm doing okay. You know,
Speaker 3: like I can do things. And he's like, you gotta
Speaker 3: get a real job.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: It's just different, different perspectives. You know, his reality was
Speaker 3: different than mine, but it's okay.
Speaker 2: Totally. My, my mom also raised in a house where
Speaker 2: it was like, you've got to get a corporate job.
Speaker 2: Not even like anything in the, anything that was like
Speaker 2: a trade or creative wasn't real. It had to be like,
Speaker 2: you better work in a bank. Cause that's what her
Speaker 2: mom did.
Speaker 3: It was just that, yeah. The things that they didn't understand. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And, and to them that was security. They wanted security
Speaker 2: for you more than anything.
Speaker 3: Which is what we all want as parents now, of course.
Speaker 2: Of course. well just a few years later though you
Speaker 2: release on the way down a song that is now
Speaker 2: just over 20 years old and this one really resonated
Speaker 2: with a specific listener because decades later it is still
Speaker 2: beloved did it always.
Speaker 3: Every grocery store you go to every grocery store every
Speaker 3: every saturday home depot lows if you're shopping you're gonna
Speaker 3: hear it which is pretty.
Speaker 2: Awesome we sing along and we go, I'm in a
Speaker 2: good mood. I don't, Oh, you know what? It's the song.
Speaker 3: Well, that's, that's like the early two thousands music. I
Speaker 3: think just in general, like that time period, like we
Speaker 3: were at a party bus last night for my wife's birthday.
Speaker 3: And it's like, what does everyone want to hear? We
Speaker 3: put on two thousands, everyone's singing along. Absolutely. It's such
Speaker 3: like a beautiful time capsule of music and songwriting and, um,
Speaker 3: you know, it'll never be the same, but we had it.
Speaker 3: We did it.
Speaker 2: We did it. We, we did it and we got
Speaker 2: to enjoy it. Did it always feel like a hit
Speaker 2: to you from just day one?
Speaker 3: No, what's funny is because I hear songs, you know,
Speaker 3: from friends of mine. I'm like, dude, obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: that was going to be, you know, a smash hit.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, we didn't even think that was
Speaker 3: gonna be a single. So you never know when you're
Speaker 3: inside of it. You know, like, even like, if you're
Speaker 3: filming a show, you know, you're like, all right, hopefully
Speaker 3: this does well. We see it. We're like, obviously, that's
Speaker 3: an amazing show, you know, a certain song. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: never have any idea. The only one that I knew
Speaker 3: was going to be, you know, you never know, no.
Speaker 3: But in my heart, I was like, this is going
Speaker 3: to be a big hit was the song True, which
Speaker 3: was my second single, which most people think on the
Speaker 3: way down was the biggest just because that's the one
Speaker 3: that came out first. But True ended up actually being,
Speaker 3: you know, my biggest song I ever had. And that
Speaker 3: was one that I was like, I had to fight
Speaker 3: for that one, too, because it was just an acoustic ballad.
Speaker 3: It was an acoustic guitar. And I worked with Johnny
Speaker 3: Resnick from the Goo Goo Dolls and he was the
Speaker 3: producer on the whole album. And he was always like, dude,
Speaker 3: you know, like a song with just an acoustic guitar
Speaker 3: and a falsetto, like that's just, you know, it's not
Speaker 3: going to work on radio. You know, we have to
Speaker 3: add like this big band to it. And I fought
Speaker 3: to just keep it acoustic. I was like, you never
Speaker 3: know until you know, like let's do something different. And
Speaker 3: at the time, like John Mayer kind of was kind
Speaker 3: of setting the path for singer songwriters because that wasn't popular.
Speaker 3: Like the solo guy wasn't like huge yet. And then
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, we pushed for it. And
Speaker 3: it came out and ended up being my biggest song.
Speaker 2: So great. You know, I just, I just interviewed Salt-N-Pepa
Speaker 2: recently and they had the exact same conversation with me.
Speaker 2: They said, you know, Push It wasn't supposed to be
Speaker 2: a single. And they had no idea that it was
Speaker 2: going to be as huge as it was. And then
Speaker 2: when they were like, you know, yeah, we think this
Speaker 2: should be the single. And you just never know when
Speaker 2: you're on the inside.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What's going to end up being massive for you?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the label will always tell you one thing
Speaker 3: because they have their opinion. It's like, but sometimes you
Speaker 3: got to stick with it. I remember the story, like
Speaker 3: when I was putting out True, it was Daughters for
Speaker 3: John Mayer.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3: John Mayer was like, this isn't a single, whatever. And
Speaker 3: then the guy who, we had the same publisher, Evan Lamberg,
Speaker 3: and he was like, nope, I believe in this song
Speaker 3: and I believe in True and I believe in you,
Speaker 3: like whatever. And he pushed for it and it worked
Speaker 3: out great.
Speaker 2: So great.
Speaker 3: My first number one on TRL.
Speaker 2: First number one, True.
Speaker 3: First number one on TRL, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. I know early in your career,
Speaker 2: you lived out my dream, which is performing in malls.
Speaker 2: I would do every podcast from the Topanga Mall if
Speaker 2: they would let me.
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 2: Oh, I love a mall. Especially that mall.
Speaker 3: Same. So I always booked our hotels. I was like,
Speaker 3: just put me by a mall. Wherever we're performing, I
Speaker 3: was like, put me by a mall. I had to
Speaker 3: go walk around a mall.
Speaker 2: It was a plus.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was our first tour. It was legit.
Speaker 3: We did a mall tour.
Speaker 2: What do you remember from those early days of mall tours? Um..
Speaker 3: A couple different things. I mean, just a lot of
Speaker 3: screaming girls, which was really fun. And then Claire's. I
Speaker 3: remember getting my first, like, jewelry line in Claire's. And
Speaker 3: I would go in and be like, I'm going to
Speaker 3: buy this. They'd be like, okay, cool. And they wouldn't
Speaker 3: give a shit. They're like, do you see who's jewelry
Speaker 3: this is?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3: I just tried it. But look again. They're like, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: We'll check you out. I'm like, all right. I'll go
Speaker 3: to the next Claire's.
Speaker 2: Maybe at the next city.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's what I remember from malls though.
Speaker 2: It's funny. Minor, minor Cinnabon. Me too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And Auntie Anne's are like the pretzel smell.
Speaker 2: The smell. And then like leaving. And sometimes fans would
Speaker 2: buy you a Cinnabon. Like they'd buy, fans would buy
Speaker 2: me mini Cinnabons.
Speaker 3: And you actually ate them? I'd be scared. Heck yeah.
Speaker 2: They were sealed.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. You're right. You're right.
Speaker 2: They were sealed. Oh yeah. I'm not going to pass
Speaker 2: up a Cinnabon. You know what? Is there a risk
Speaker 2: of poison?
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: Is it worth the risk? Maybe. I think so, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of listeners were probably introduced to you thanks
Speaker 2: to reality television. First, on The Ashley Simpson Show, when
Speaker 2: you two were dating back in 2004. And you mentioned
Speaker 2: that her dad originally got you out to LA as,
Speaker 2: and he was your manager, which is kind of where
Speaker 2: your career started. As a kid from Dallas, with really
Speaker 2: no knowledge of LA, what was it like to then
Speaker 2: be thrown into the life of paparazzi, because now you're
Speaker 2: a part of, you're living with the Simpsons and they
Speaker 2: were basically being trailed 24 seven at that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, that was actually, it was like right before
Speaker 3: like the newlyweds, you know, so reality TV was still
Speaker 3: being born, you know, it was like the Osbournes and, um,
Speaker 3: you know, it was when reality was real. And I remember,
Speaker 3: I still remember what, well, first of all, I'll start
Speaker 3: with what was it like getting there? I was just
Speaker 3: a kid with big eyes and just stoked to be
Speaker 3: there and yeah next thing i know you know ashley's
Speaker 3: my neighbor like you know and i would go run
Speaker 3: by and like play her songs and um i always
Speaker 3: had a crush on her um but we weren't dating
Speaker 3: at the time she was with somebody else but i
Speaker 3: would like go into her room and play her songs
Speaker 3: and stuff and um be kind of jealous of like
Speaker 3: the dudes that she would have over and then uh
Speaker 3: and then the show started happening and next thing you
Speaker 3: know like it just all happened like obviously organically but um, actually, no,
Speaker 3: it started from a music video. I remember it was
Speaker 3: Joe's idea to put Ashley in my, on the way
Speaker 3: down music video. And then that night, so we had
Speaker 3: to kiss the video. I remember being super nervous. We
Speaker 3: kissed in the video. And then that night we ended
Speaker 3: up on the dance floor in a club. And then
Speaker 3: we're like, well, this is weird. This is like, we're
Speaker 3: like roommates, you know, we live in the same house now.
Speaker 3: And then the show started happening. So they just followed
Speaker 3: us around. And that kind of was the birth of,
Speaker 3: our relationship and, you know, us as artists. But at
Speaker 3: that time, reality TV was real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: That was it. There was no storylines. There was no like, okay,
Speaker 3: here's who you have to talk about. Here's what you
Speaker 3: gotta do. There's no beats. There's, it was cameras around
Speaker 3: us and we didn't pay attention and we were actually
Speaker 3: ourselves on that show. So when I look back at that,
Speaker 3: like it was a, it was a fun time. Cause
Speaker 3: I was just like, that was just us being us. Right.
Speaker 3: And then knowing obviously what it was like later with
Speaker 3: the girl that I dated that was on the Hills. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Then I get– so she was like, hey, we kind
Speaker 3: of have to film because if we want to– I
Speaker 3: don't want people to think I'm with someone else, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 3: So I showed up. And then you get there and like,
Speaker 3: all right, here's who you're talking about. Here's what y'all
Speaker 3: are doing today. I'm like, wait, what? I was like,
Speaker 3: this is weird.
Speaker 1: What a change.
Speaker 3: We have to break up with each other two different ways?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that because then
Speaker 2: you find yourself on the hills. You're dating Audrina Patridge.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Which we dated before the Hills ever even existed, too.
Speaker 3: So like that actually was a real relationship.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We'd met. We used to go to a place called
Speaker 3: 40 Deuce back in the day. And that was kind
Speaker 3: of what started our relationship. And we ended up breaking
Speaker 3: up and we got back together. When we got back together,
Speaker 3: she was on that show and she told me about it.
Speaker 3: She's like, hey, I'm on the show. If, you know,
Speaker 3: you kind of want to be around, like the only
Speaker 3: problem is if you're not, then people are going to
Speaker 3: think I'm dating somebody. else because this is what they
Speaker 3: have me doing on the show. So that was kind
Speaker 3: of how that went down. Showed up for her and
Speaker 3: then it was interesting to.
Speaker 2: Say the least. So when you guys then break up,
Speaker 2: was it a real breakup? No.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: And then people just see you walking around. Were people
Speaker 2: in shock to see you like walking around the Grove
Speaker 2: holding hands?
Speaker 3: Uh, not in LA. Not so much. Cause that was
Speaker 3: just normal. Yeah. Whatever. But yeah, we would break up
Speaker 3: and then we'd go play super Nintendo and then go,
Speaker 3: go out. I would break up with her. Then she
Speaker 3: would break up with me and then they would decide
Speaker 3: how they wanted the storyline to go. And then we'd have,
Speaker 3: but like some of those, like whatever, I don't know
Speaker 3: if there were arguments or whatever, the things that we
Speaker 3: would break up, they were like, wait, It was hard
Speaker 3: to turn off like, okay, by the way, we're not
Speaker 3: upset with each other. Right.
Speaker 2: That was acting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was exactly. It was, it was acting, but
Speaker 3: then it was hard to like, kind of pull away
Speaker 3: from that and be like, okay, by the way, let's
Speaker 3: go have a fun night.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a little like when you wake up from
Speaker 2: a bad dream where your spouse has cheated on you
Speaker 2: in your dream or something. And you're like.
Speaker 3: It felt real. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel I'm, I'm kind of pissed.
Speaker 3: That happens to me a lot because my wife, for
Speaker 3: some reason, I'm a real asshole in her dreams.
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah. It doesn't make sense. I'm like, I didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: I'm a super nice guy. I'm like, why am I,
Speaker 2: why am I such a dick in your dreams? All
Speaker 2: her greatest fears come out in her dreams.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You ended up touring with Jessica in 2004. And I'm
Speaker 2: what do you remember about that tour? I'm assuming you
Speaker 2: were doing some pretty big venues.
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So that was well, it was
Speaker 3: my first time I ever got like a tour bus.
Speaker 3: And I remember being a kid like if one or,
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit like 1890s. I was like,
Speaker 3: one day if I if I'm ever on a tour bus,
Speaker 3: that that is how I know I made it. And
Speaker 3: I got a bus. I had Michael Bolton's original bus. Oh,
Speaker 3: like the 80s. And it smelled like pee.
Speaker 2: I was hoping for some sort of eighties cologne.
Speaker 3: Nope. Nope. Nope. Smell like pee. The whole bus smell
Speaker 3: like pee. Uh, but I had a bus.
Speaker 2: You made it.
Speaker 3: I had a bus. I done made it. Uh, it
Speaker 3: was super fun. You know, like just getting to, to
Speaker 3: be like play those huge stage. Nobody knew who I was. And, um,
Speaker 3: but it, you know, went over great. And that's kind
Speaker 3: of like how it all started. I've always been on
Speaker 3: the road, you know, I've always performed and played live.
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, that was right after,
Speaker 3: or right before the mall tour. So, I really did
Speaker 3: it like the old school pop way, huh?
Speaker 2: You did.
Speaker 3: Opening for Jewel, Jessica Simpson, mall tour.
Speaker 2: I mean, the highlights, just truly like highlights.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the good old pop days.
Speaker 1: These days.
Speaker 2: Good old pop days.
Speaker 3: People miss a good mall tour.
Speaker 2: I would be first in line. I love, I mean,
Speaker 2: also I, the kids, when I go to the mall,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of young cools in malls.
Speaker 3: The back?
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: It's back. I feel like it's back. They walk around.
Speaker 3: Lemonade on a stick or something.
Speaker 2: Yes. They walk by the arcade. Hot dog on a stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's back. It's, it's back.
Speaker 2: I'm always like, okay, I love it. It's a busy
Speaker 2: parking lot. Hard to find parking, but that means it's thriving.
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Blockbuster. Like, I feel like all those things people would
Speaker 3: actually really enjoy. People are over– well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 3: Over like those things. Just like bring back the good stuff. Yes.
Speaker 2: I just heard about a phone that they're calling the
Speaker 2: tin can phone. And it's basically– a home phone for
Speaker 2: young people.
Speaker 3: That- Remember like the clear one? We might have one here.
Speaker 3: Like the clear phone with the cord and you would
Speaker 3: just lay on your bed or right to the side
Speaker 3: of it and be on the phone all night.
Speaker 1: Yes, I used to love that.
Speaker 2: I would be on the phone for hours.
Speaker 3: We might have one.
Speaker 2: Let's look to see if you have one. Bring that back.
Speaker 3: Oh, wait, we got this. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What
Speaker 3: do you got?
Speaker 2: What do you got?
Speaker 3: What is this phone?
Speaker 2: Oh, what? An NSYNC hotline phone?
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2: Is that an Nokia?
Speaker 3: Now we're talking. It's me talking on the phone.
Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3: See?
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Look at the intimate video. What does
Speaker 2: that say? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, the intimate video. Oh, my gosh. This stuff is
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 2: That is great. Oh, we need to. Oh, my God.
Speaker 3: Classic. Remember this?
Speaker 2: Let me see. Oh, of course. A magic eight ball.
Speaker 2: Mine would always get stuck. Let's see what yours says.
Speaker 2: You're stuck.
Speaker 3: It's stuck.
Speaker 2: It's stuck. That's exactly it. It's always on the side.
Speaker 2: It's stuck. I'm glad to see some things never change.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But you, but those are good memories.
Speaker 2: Yes, they are. And you've still got them. You've still
Speaker 2: got them right there to relive every day.
Speaker 3: My wife does.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: She's got a lot of fun stuff.
Speaker 2: Speaking of your wife you are married to and you
Speaker 2: have an almost three-year-old daughter with the amazing alexa bliss
Speaker 2: wwe superstar yeah did you know anything about wrestling when
Speaker 2: you guys started dating I.
Speaker 3: Did because, so one of my first friends in LA,
Speaker 3: like back in like the early 2000s was Mike the Miz.
Speaker 3: So before he was ever a wrestler, you know, he'd
Speaker 3: done the real world. I don't know if you remember
Speaker 3: Saddle Ranch back.
Speaker 2: In the day, but that was like- Who can forget
Speaker 2: Saddle Ranch?
Speaker 3: The spot. Saddle Ranch was the spot. The spot. So
Speaker 3: we would go out there and like that was where
Speaker 3: all the real world cast would hang out. And so
Speaker 3: me and Mike just became friends. And then eventually like
Speaker 3: down the line, like maybe five or six years later,
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I'm going to be a wrestler.
Speaker 3: Like I always said, whatever. And I'm like, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: And then I remember not thinking much about it. And
Speaker 3: I was in a seven 11 one day and I
Speaker 3: was going to get a drink. And then the cup
Speaker 3: had Mike, the Ms. WWE superstar. And I was like, texted.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what? You actually did that? He's like, dude,
Speaker 3: I'm a big deal. I'm the Ms.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right.
Speaker 3: But I thought that was like a joke. And so
Speaker 3: he actually did it. And then fast forward, like maybe
Speaker 3: 10 years later, he had a TV show called Ms.
Speaker 3: And Mrs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: USA network. And he was like, Dave, you know, will
Speaker 3: you come be on this show with me? So I
Speaker 3: did that show with him. And then somebody started a
Speaker 3: rumor online. I don't know if it parlayed maybe because
Speaker 3: of that show, but they were like, oh, I hear
Speaker 3: you and Alexa Bliss are dating. So Mike called me
Speaker 3: and he's like, I hear you're dating Alexa Bliss. And
Speaker 3: I said, I was like, okay. I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure I'm single, but I don't know who that is,
Speaker 3: but all right. And then he showed me a picture.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, well, introduce us. He never
Speaker 3: did though. He'll claim that he did. He never actually
Speaker 3: did it. Really? He will take credit for this? He
Speaker 3: took a lot. Oh, of course. It's Mike.
Speaker 2: Who did end up, yeah, exactly. Who did end up
Speaker 2: introducing you?
Speaker 3: Whoever started that rumor. Whoever started the rumor. So we
Speaker 3: ended up talking just online. I was on a plane
Speaker 3: and we were chatting. We had mutual friends. And so
Speaker 3: we had a lot in common. We were chatting for
Speaker 3: like five hours. And I was like, all right.
Speaker 2: On the plane? You guys were next to each other
Speaker 2: on a plane?
Speaker 3: No, no, no. Just chatting. Okay, on the phone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: on the phone. And then I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 3: landing in Orlando. And it was really nice talking to you.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, well, I live in Orlando. I was like,
Speaker 3: all right. what are you doing tomorrow night? Cause I'm
Speaker 3: playing nine shows at Epcot with Joey Fatone. If you
Speaker 3: want to come by. And she was like, maybe I
Speaker 3: was like, excuse me.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: And though eventually I got her out, I was persistent
Speaker 3: and we kept being in the same city just like
Speaker 3: over and over again. And then I was like, you
Speaker 3: can't get rid of me.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So cute. What is your relationship with wrestling?
Speaker 2: Like now do you, are you a fan? Do you
Speaker 2: love it? Do you love the culture?
Speaker 3: I do actually. Like, I mean, it's, so entertaining and
Speaker 3: our daughter loves it. Like she, like once we leave
Speaker 3: like the show, like at first we're like, okay, hopefully
Speaker 3: she's into this and she's not thinking like what's going on.
Speaker 3: Like we didn't, we didn't know exactly what to think,
Speaker 3: but we just, you know, we started early and then
Speaker 3: whenever I would like, like I got into the bathroom,
Speaker 3: she'd start crying because she wanted to see the show.
Speaker 3: Like now, and she, she goes, one, two, three, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker 3: And like when she sees mommy on TV, she goes crazy.
Speaker 3: So I always say like, even I love bringing friends who,
Speaker 3: don't know the culture, don't have no idea what's going on. Like,
Speaker 3: I promise you, no matter what you think, you're going
Speaker 3: to have a great time. Exactly. And they're like, they're
Speaker 3: into it by like the fourth match. They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're like screaming and getting into it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like wrestling is a subculture similar to what
Speaker 2: you came up with, like through the Warped Tour, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's everyone knows the wrestlers backstories and old tag teams,
Speaker 2: just like everyone knows all the old bands everybody used
Speaker 2: to be in. They're both scenes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's a scene. Yeah, definitely. Definitely a scene. But, you know,
Speaker 3: at this point, I think it's just so fun to
Speaker 3: go see what it's all about now. Obviously, like having
Speaker 3: like a different perspective, you know, seeing what goes on
Speaker 3: like behind the scenes is very interesting. But it's like
Speaker 3: it's crazy. Like how I mean, I have so much
Speaker 3: respect for what they do. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So do I.
Speaker 3: She, she gets out of bed and she's like, like cracking.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Everything. She's like, did you hear that?
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Woke me up. She's like, ah, hear that? Everything cracks.
Speaker 2: Everything's. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That it's wild.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Have you been in a ring?
Speaker 2: I've never been– well, I've been in one for Boy
Speaker 2: Meets World. I got to dance in a ring. So
Speaker 2: I've been inside one.
Speaker 3: But never– Did you really hit the ropes or anything?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: It hurts.
Speaker 2: It's painful.
Speaker 3: It hurts. My back was bloody. We filmed this episode
Speaker 3: in the ring. I was like– people don't realize like that–
Speaker 3: it's like wood. Yes. That's not like a trampoline. It's
Speaker 3: like wood and then those ropes are like boat wire.
Speaker 3: That's holding up the entire ring. It hurts.
Speaker 2: I know. It hurts. It is painful and they just
Speaker 2: throw themselves into it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Has having– a daughter changed your approach to songwriting at all?
Speaker 3: I cry a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh, made you more sensitive.
Speaker 3: A hundred percent. Well, I've always been sensitive. Uh, and
Speaker 3: then once you have a daughter, obviously that changes everything.
Speaker 3: And of course, I think my wife's like her fun
Speaker 3: thing for the morning is send me like, you know,
Speaker 3: like the daddy daughter videos. And I click that like, really,
Speaker 3: you want me to cry before 8 a.m.? Thanks a lot. Oh,
Speaker 3: my gosh. But yeah, I mean, everything now, obviously, everything
Speaker 3: you do, you know, once you have a kid in
Speaker 3: your brain is just like for them. Yeah. So when
Speaker 3: I'm writing a song, I'm like, okay, would she like this?
Speaker 3: Or like, I want to put her on it or like,
Speaker 3: you know, so now, and that started actually too. And
Speaker 3: once I got married, like, so everything from that point,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, this is about my wife. Now
Speaker 3: it's going to be spun in like a different way.
Speaker 3: I try to make it interesting, but still I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: what would my wife think? And then now it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, okay, my daughter, like, what would she think?
Speaker 3: And it's fun to like write her songs and, um,
Speaker 3: but you still gotta be yourself as well. So there there's,
Speaker 3: I have a new album coming out and there's, there's
Speaker 3: some naughty songs on there.
Speaker 2: But yeah.
Speaker 3: Not like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know what you mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I realized your wedding was one Carson daily segment away
Speaker 2: from being a true two thousands fever dream. Yellow card
Speaker 2: performed Jarrett from bowling for soup, Lance, Joey, and Chris
Speaker 2: took the stage for a mini in sync reunion. What
Speaker 2: do you think it is about our era of music
Speaker 2: that still resonates so much with people?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so hard to pinpoint exactly what it was,
Speaker 3: but it's just that, like we talked about earlier, like
Speaker 3: that time period of songwriting, uh, every, you know, what's
Speaker 3: great about that is every song was different. Like every
Speaker 3: song was unique and like, it didn't have an exact sound. Yep.
Speaker 3: You know, like where, like some things nowadays you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: well any artists could do that song. I think most
Speaker 3: back then you're like, okay, only that artist could do
Speaker 3: that song. Like only yellow card could sing ocean Avenue,
Speaker 3: you know? Yep. uh you know only in sync could
Speaker 3: do those i'm actually did those songs so well it's
Speaker 3: like sometimes nowadays because you know there's just a lot
Speaker 3: of songwriters out there that write songs they go all
Speaker 3: right give it to this artist give it to this
Speaker 3: artist give to this artist so it's harder to have
Speaker 3: like an identity of like who you are as opposed
Speaker 3: to as an artist versus just being a singer and
Speaker 3: a performer um so i think then you're like those
Speaker 3: people who perform at the wedding like only those people
Speaker 3: could do that song because either they wrote it or
Speaker 3: you know it was just perfect for them and i
Speaker 3: think that's kind of what makes it so unique and
Speaker 3: special um yeah not like i don't want to like
Speaker 3: ever you know talk trash about like any of the
Speaker 3: artists today because there's still so many amazing artists but
Speaker 3: yeah i think they've just been a little bit lost
Speaker 3: in the sauce when it comes to like all right
Speaker 3: here's a hit song give it to that person right
Speaker 3: and it doesn't really like identify with who they are
Speaker 3: yes you know.
Speaker 2: I mean totally get it talking about trl you What
Speaker 2: a time to be alive. The best. What a time.
Speaker 1: The best.
Speaker 2: Did you have fun there or were you ever too
Speaker 2: nervous to have a good time?
Speaker 3: Never.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 3: Never. It was always just so much fun. I remember
Speaker 3: being in the photo booth like it was yesterday. You know,
Speaker 3: it was like the day like Paris Hilton walking by
Speaker 3: the hallway and, you know, all those things that in
Speaker 3: my mind, you know, and it was delusional in my brain,
Speaker 3: but like I always belonged. I didn't. But like in
Speaker 3: my head, I did. I was like, this is where I'm,
Speaker 3: this is where I was watching one day. I was
Speaker 3: watching this show on television. I was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be on that show one day. And so in
Speaker 3: my brain, I belonged. So when I was there, it
Speaker 3: was like, this is my show. And that's kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, the way you need to be as an artist. Now,
Speaker 3: when you're not there and you're not on stage and
Speaker 3: you're not performing, that was the exact opposite. But when
Speaker 3: I was there, like you, you have to be in
Speaker 3: it and immersed in it. And I remember the first,
Speaker 3: the first time I was ever on TRL, because the
Speaker 3: dream was always going to the window.
Speaker 2: You know, like go to the window and like seeing
Speaker 2: all the fans down there.
Speaker 3: And so the first time I was ever on it,
Speaker 3: I was supposed to do an interview with Vanessa and Damien.
Speaker 3: And they're like, okay, so here's the spot, you know,
Speaker 3: go there. You're going to do an interview. And then
Speaker 3: you go to the window. I was like, well, put
Speaker 3: the window. I was like, oh, the fans out there,
Speaker 3: they've been there. I was like, I go to the window.
Speaker 3: They're like, no, no, you got to do an interview first.
Speaker 3: And then the second segment, after we go to a break,
Speaker 3: you'll go to the window. Now I blacked out and
Speaker 3: I just went straight to the window. And I could
Speaker 3: just hear all the producers like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: He went to the window.
Speaker 2: Follow him.
Speaker 3: He went to the window. So maybe I was nervous.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember. But I I blocked out everything.
Speaker 3: I just went straight to the window. I was like,
Speaker 3: they've been here all day. I just want to say hi.
Speaker 3: It was always like the dream. And so I went
Speaker 3: straight to the window and then I was supposed to
Speaker 3: perform in the studio. And I was like, OK, but
Speaker 3: all those people are down there. like now the studio
Speaker 3: obviously has like maybe 40 to 50 people in it.
Speaker 3: But I was like, but there's like, you know, thousands
Speaker 3: of people down there and they've been here, like slept overnight, whatever.
Speaker 3: First thing in the morning, I was like, I want
Speaker 3: to perform down there. They're like, well, that's not how
Speaker 3: this show works. I was like, But they're down there.
Speaker 3: So they ended up figuring it out. And so the
Speaker 3: first time I performed down there in the middle of
Speaker 3: the crowd, they brought like a wire down and it
Speaker 3: was just me and an acoustic guitar and a microphone.
Speaker 3: They brought it out in the middle of the crowd
Speaker 3: as I performed in Times Square with everybody.
Speaker 2: So great. So great. I love that you basically, again, kindly,
Speaker 2: but kept insisting, this is more who I am. To
Speaker 2: be down there with the people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to be with them.
Speaker 2: I want to be with them. No offense to the
Speaker 2: 40 or 50 people who probably are somebody's nieces and... nephews.
Speaker 3: And we did two songs. So I did one down
Speaker 3: there and then I did another one in the studio.
Speaker 2: So they still, and you were fair. Look at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, obviously the music industry is so different. Do you
Speaker 2: ever wonder what, like a young Ryan Cabrera, if you
Speaker 2: were starting out today in 2026, what would, with all
Speaker 2: this pressure of social media and you know, what do
Speaker 2: you think you would enjoy having to rely on social
Speaker 2: media as much to get your career started?
Speaker 1: Never.
Speaker 3: It's just not, it's not, you know, like when we are,
Speaker 3: my thing was always write a great song. It was
Speaker 3: always the song first. And that's like what mattered to me.
Speaker 3: It was writing a song and then performing it live.
Speaker 3: And those were the two things that's all I really
Speaker 3: cared about. So, you know, the social media aspect, I
Speaker 3: love it. I think it's great. I'm glad that people
Speaker 3: get to, you know, kind of have a, you know,
Speaker 3: an in maybe on people's lives. I don't know. It's
Speaker 3: just not for me. It's not my thing. Um, I mean,
Speaker 3: we have to do it cause it's a tool that
Speaker 3: we can use. So I try not to look at
Speaker 3: it as like a, I have to do that, but
Speaker 3: we kind of have to, you know, I still, my
Speaker 3: mind is right. The best song perform it live. And
Speaker 3: those are the things that I care about the most,
Speaker 3: but I love having access to, to people. You know,
Speaker 3: if I have, if you have an idea, you're being like, Hey,
Speaker 3: what do you think about this? That's kind of cool
Speaker 3: that you can just put it out there and people
Speaker 3: instantly have it. Um, but I'm still kind of old school.
Speaker 3: I think it's sacred to just also have your life.
Speaker 3: And then also have your artist life and kind of
Speaker 3: put what you want out there. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm Natalie Imbruglia. I'm torn.
Speaker 2: You're torn.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But if I had to do that from jump,
Speaker 3: I would never make it because I'm not a social
Speaker 3: media guy. Yeah, I barely even got on the Zoom.
Speaker 3: Just kidding on this thing. It took me like five minutes.
Speaker 2: In a related note, if 2026 Ryan could tell fresh
Speaker 2: off the plane Ryan one thing. Mm-hmm. Like one piece
Speaker 2: of advice, you today giving 2001 you a piece of advice,
Speaker 2: what would it be?
Speaker 3: Lay off the hairspray. You're going to lose it one day.
Speaker 2: You've got great, I mean, you've got fantastic hair.
Speaker 3: It's still kind of there, but I was just saying.
Speaker 3: Back then, you know, I don't know because I was
Speaker 3: just so in the moment. You know, like just enjoying
Speaker 3: the time that it's hard to like.
Speaker 2: That's so great that you were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just be yourself. But I always was, you know,
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I was in the moment. I wasn't
Speaker 3: looking toward. Well, maybe at some point because the pressure
Speaker 3: comes on you like, OK, what's next? What's next? What's next?
Speaker 3: What's the next hit? You got to turn this in.
Speaker 3: What are you going to do next? And it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, well. you know, you guys worry about what's next.
Speaker 3: I just want to be here. And that's it. And I,
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like I did actually a pretty
Speaker 3: good job of doing that, but still there's always in
Speaker 3: your mind of like, okay, now I have to write
Speaker 3: another hit, you know, now I have to blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 3: So maybe a little less pressure of, of knowing that tomorrow,
Speaker 3: you're not going to think about all those things that
Speaker 3: you were thinking about the day before. So it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, go, go back to that and just be there.
Speaker 2: I love that. We are not done, guys. Ryan stuck
Speaker 2: around for a little bonus episode to hear a listener's
Speaker 2: embarrassing story, which is a very good one, by the way.
Speaker 2: And that will be released this Friday exclusively on the
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