WEBVTT - Ryan Cabrera 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:16.860 I'll never leave your filthy bed. I stay the night 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:18.800 and one night weekend. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.200 Two or three years. 0:00:20.260 --> 0:00:23.930 The kids are not all right, but that's okay because 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:25.250 no one here is. 0:00:27.490 --> 0:00:31.200 Hello, Fanyel Dishels, and welcome back to Teen Beat, a 0:00:31.210 --> 0:00:34.460 podcast where I sit with interesting people who've done interesting 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.520 things in order to investigate origin stories, embarrassing, warts, and all. 0:00:38.979 --> 0:00:41.879 Because it's a well-known fact that where we've been can 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.920 tell us where we're going. I spent seven seasons on 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.000 a TV show displaying all stages of puberty, so I 0:00:48.060 --> 0:00:50.880 see it like this. I gave you my childhood. It's 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.900 time we hear yours. And this week, I am honored 0:00:53.950 --> 0:00:57.430 to be chatting with a fellow former teenage creative who 0:00:57.510 --> 0:01:03.310 navigated the waters of Y2K pop music, reality television, tabloid culture, TRL, 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:09.080 and a once-in-a-generation emo haircut, only to survive and pop 0:01:09.180 --> 0:01:12.950 out the other side unscathed. At 19, he turned a 0:01:13.010 --> 0:01:16.950 self-recorded demo into an independent album into the debut major 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.700 label single On The Way Down, an undeniable bop that 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.919 landed him on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart, and 0:01:23.980 --> 0:01:27.140 he has never looked back. And fresh off the Pop 0:01:27.140 --> 0:01:30.990 2000 tour, a concert perfectly crafted for a podcast called 0:01:31.030 --> 0:01:34.130 Teen Beat, we have a lot to talk about. Please 0:01:34.250 --> 0:01:38.790 welcome to the show, celebrating 20 years since his first hit, 0:01:39.310 --> 0:01:40.390 Ryan Cabrera. 0:01:40.670 --> 0:01:43.350 Wow, that was an intro. I just found those, by 0:01:43.390 --> 0:01:46.789 the way, in my wife's drawer. 0:01:46.910 --> 0:01:48.730 Were those some J-14s? 0:01:48.970 --> 0:01:53.370 This is what she has. Oh, my gosh. She did 0:01:53.410 --> 0:01:56.730 a podcast called Uncool, like maybe four or five years 0:01:56.750 --> 0:01:58.260 ago when we met. So she has like all this 0:01:58.420 --> 0:02:00.140 awesome nostalgic stuff. 0:02:00.180 --> 0:02:01.020 Look at that. 0:02:01.100 --> 0:02:03.990 Yeah. I don't really go in here too often, but 0:02:04.010 --> 0:02:05.890 I'm now finding all these things in here, which is 0:02:06.310 --> 0:02:07.310 kind of fun for your podcast. 0:02:07.350 --> 0:02:08.329 That is so cute. 0:02:08.350 --> 0:02:12.090 The intro is amazing. You have the nice turquoise decor, 0:02:12.110 --> 0:02:12.670 the little mermaid. 0:02:12.710 --> 0:02:15.000 I know, look at us. It's perfect for Team Beat. 0:02:15.020 --> 0:02:16.800 I feel like those were the colors of those magazines 0:02:16.820 --> 0:02:17.540 you just held up. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.960 That's what's happening in here. What else does she have? 0:02:20.139 --> 0:02:21.840 Yeah, what else? What else she got in there? You 0:02:21.860 --> 0:02:25.060 got any teenage diaries? I have some teenage diaries in mind. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:26.980 Oh, I'm not allowed to do that. Yeah, don't go 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.560 through those. I shouldn't dig too far. 0:02:28.580 --> 0:02:31.900 Don't go through those. Okay. I want to start in 0:02:31.940 --> 0:02:36.820 a place that truly matters. Let's talk about the hair. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:37.859 Okay. 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:44.839 Okay. I, you have always had wonderful locks. I want 0:02:44.860 --> 0:02:49.079 to focus on the 2003, 2004 and talk about that 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.690 spiking process. How long did it take and what held 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:52.940 it up? 0:02:53.460 --> 0:02:57.380 Actually, not that long because typically most of the shows 0:02:57.460 --> 0:02:59.980 or anything that I was doing was just leftover. It 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:01.680 was the day after. The day after was always the best. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.940 First off, I will say it was inspired by originally, well, 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.700 a couple of different people, but the Frosted Tips were 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.139 inspired by Lance. Okay. 0:03:09.300 --> 0:03:11.620 Gotta give Lance the Frosted Tips credit. 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.260 Yep. Yeah. I'll give Lance Frosted Tips credit along with 0:03:14.300 --> 0:03:15.339 Pacey from Dawson's Creek. 0:03:15.700 --> 0:03:16.580 Okay. Yeah. 0:03:16.900 --> 0:03:19.210 Yeah. There was an episode where he was frosting his 0:03:19.250 --> 0:03:21.389 tips and And I don't know, for some reason I 0:03:21.389 --> 0:03:22.829 was like, I want to do that. So I did 0:03:22.870 --> 0:03:24.650 that and it did not go over well. And I 0:03:24.690 --> 0:03:27.650 went to an all boys Catholic school and I showed 0:03:27.690 --> 0:03:29.900 up with frosted tips. Sometimes I would color them different 0:03:29.940 --> 0:03:32.279 colors and that's what started like the spiky thing. And 0:03:32.460 --> 0:03:34.139 it got a lot of attention, not in a good way. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.200 You know, I would, I get bullied a lot and 0:03:36.220 --> 0:03:38.100 all that stuff. Everyone made fun of me, but for 0:03:38.180 --> 0:03:40.200 some reason I was like, all right, I'm going to 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:41.720 do it even further. So then I would dye them 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.790 like blue or dye them red or dye them green. 0:03:43.830 --> 0:03:45.770 It would, you know, upset the teachers and stuff. So, 0:03:46.410 --> 0:03:47.860 That was, that was kind of where it all started. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.580 I love what that says about who you are and 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.400 your personality that when you got teased for something, you 0:03:53.420 --> 0:03:56.700 doubled down instead of like backing down. I love that. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.860 I would like to instill that in my children. Although I, I, 0:04:00.020 --> 0:04:02.180 so far that's not how it's worked. My kid has 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.060 come home and then been like, I'm never wearing that again. 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.040 They made fun of me. And so you just doubled down. 0:04:08.060 --> 0:04:10.580 I did the opposite. I was like, all right, cool. 0:04:10.620 --> 0:04:14.950 I'm doing something that clearly at that point, you guys are, 0:04:15.610 --> 0:04:17.630 paying attention to me. Like you're, you're worried about my 0:04:17.670 --> 0:04:18.890 hair and like all that kind of stuff. So I 0:04:18.910 --> 0:04:20.690 was like, all right, whatever. I'm just going to, I'm 0:04:20.710 --> 0:04:21.830 just going to go with it. Yeah. 0:04:21.870 --> 0:04:24.050 Rent free, taking up space in your mind over there. 0:04:24.070 --> 0:04:28.060 What kept it up? Did you have like particular hair products? 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:29.280 A lot of bed head. 0:04:29.300 --> 0:04:31.820 A lot of bed head. Yeah. And at the time 0:04:31.940 --> 0:04:34.080 I can't believe I didn't get a bed head sponsorship. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.100 I know. You should still have one. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.279 I know. I agree. But never, it never happened. And 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.240 I did a, I did a TV show called score 0:04:41.260 --> 0:04:43.909 on MTV. That was after TRL every day. Yeah. And 0:04:43.950 --> 0:04:44.950 so I thought for sure, I was like, oh, I'm 0:04:44.970 --> 0:04:47.050 going to get my bedhead sponsorship. Still no, never happened. 0:04:47.089 --> 0:04:49.110 Still no. We've got to manifest that. We've got to 0:04:49.130 --> 0:04:53.790 bring that into existence. Yeah. You and Lance were a 0:04:53.890 --> 0:04:57.789 few to use the blonde highlights well. You know, you 0:04:57.830 --> 0:04:59.470 pulled it off. You did it well. You did it 0:04:59.510 --> 0:05:00.990 the right way. So I don't know if there's a 0:05:01.029 --> 0:05:03.680 trophy for that, but if there was, I would give 0:05:03.750 --> 0:05:04.570 one to you and Lance. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.680 He gets the original and then we'll share it after that. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:07.659 Okay. I like that. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:08.270 I took over for him. 0:05:09.130 --> 0:05:11.670 Did also find this picture of you while I was 0:05:11.690 --> 0:05:14.190 doing research and it deserves its own award. 0:05:15.430 --> 0:05:16.270 Oh, yeah. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.020 What is this? 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:19.820 OK, so there's a story with that. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.320 Please tell me what had happened. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.600 And that actually is me. I pull that up sometimes 0:05:24.620 --> 0:05:26.120 because people don't believe that's actually me. It looks like 0:05:26.140 --> 0:05:26.839 Inigo Montoya. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.990 I know. I saw the picture and I was like, wait, 0:05:30.010 --> 0:05:30.750 that's not him. 0:05:30.770 --> 0:05:31.529 Yeah, it was. 0:05:31.830 --> 0:05:34.690 What happened? What had happened was the record label told 0:05:34.730 --> 0:05:37.370 me that in order to put out my third album 0:05:37.430 --> 0:05:40.210 that I needed to shave my head. so they wanted 0:05:40.250 --> 0:05:41.930 they wanted the shock just like you know they were 0:05:42.190 --> 0:05:43.790 talking the hair was like a thing whatever you know 0:05:43.810 --> 0:05:45.770 the spiky hair they're like okay you know what's going 0:05:45.790 --> 0:05:47.530 to promote this album even more is if you shave 0:05:47.550 --> 0:05:49.460 your head and i said well i don't want to 0:05:49.500 --> 0:05:52.099 shave my head and they said well you know it 0:05:52.140 --> 0:05:54.240 worked for rob thomas we did with him which i 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:55.820 found out later because me and now rob had the 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.100 same manager they're like they never told him that like 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.960 that was all bs whatever so like oh all right 0:06:00.980 --> 0:06:02.310 well they definitely told me that so they told me 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.150 i'd shave my head so i did the opposite so 0:06:04.190 --> 0:06:06.190 i grew it out long and then grew a mustache 0:06:06.210 --> 0:06:09.870 and a beard and that was my statement to, I'm 0:06:09.910 --> 0:06:12.590 not doing what the record label machine wants me to do. 0:06:12.910 --> 0:06:13.600 And then I got dropped. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.960 Oh my gosh. 0:06:16.180 --> 0:06:16.720 That has happened. 0:06:17.060 --> 0:06:19.500 You look fantastic there too. 0:06:20.100 --> 0:06:21.600 Oh, thank you. I mean, to be able to pull 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.860 off both. So the demographic changed a little bit. I 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.369 will say it used to be like, you know, mothers 0:06:28.410 --> 0:06:30.790 bringing their, you know, their kids to the shows, their 0:06:30.810 --> 0:06:33.170 daughters and whatnot. And then it turned into just more 0:06:33.190 --> 0:06:34.130 of the mothers. Right. 0:06:34.150 --> 0:06:35.190 Just moms by themselves. 0:06:36.670 --> 0:06:40.250 Yeah. That was my indie phase. It happens. We all 0:06:40.300 --> 0:06:40.680 go through that. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.860 I really love the indie phase. And again, it says 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.560 so much about who you were, like who you were 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.930 as a kid. People make fun of the tips. 0:06:48.050 --> 0:06:50.390 Gotta be yourself. You know, and like I said, like, 0:06:50.610 --> 0:06:52.590 I don't, did it get me dropped from the major 0:06:52.650 --> 0:06:54.790 record label? Yes. But you know, at the end of 0:06:54.810 --> 0:06:56.029 the day, I was happy. 0:06:56.290 --> 0:06:57.729 I was happy just being myself. 0:06:57.830 --> 0:06:59.390 And it's what I wanted to do. They wanted me 0:06:59.410 --> 0:07:01.190 to do one thing and it's not what I wanted 0:07:01.250 --> 0:07:03.990 to do. So I didn't, you know, just agree with 0:07:04.210 --> 0:07:04.750 what they told. 0:07:04.630 --> 0:07:04.969 Me to do. 0:07:04.990 --> 0:07:09.210 So that was that. I want to know more about, again, 0:07:09.470 --> 0:07:13.050 young you and the start of your music career. I 0:07:13.090 --> 0:07:16.710 want to talk a little bit about Kane, your high 0:07:16.830 --> 0:07:19.150 school band that you yourself. My fake band. 0:07:19.710 --> 0:07:21.950 Okay, fake band. It was my fake band. At the time, 0:07:22.010 --> 0:07:24.710 it was fake. So I told people that I was 0:07:24.750 --> 0:07:26.370 in a band, even though I didn't really play an 0:07:26.410 --> 0:07:28.770 instrument and I was not in a band at the time. 0:07:28.830 --> 0:07:31.410 But I wanted, you know, I was like, yeah, in 0:07:31.430 --> 0:07:33.240 my head, I was like, oh, in a band, like, 0:07:33.270 --> 0:07:34.950 you know, it's me and a couple of my other buddies. 0:07:35.290 --> 0:07:37.470 And then eventually it turned into me and my brother 0:07:37.610 --> 0:07:41.450 actually forming said band, Kane. And our first show was 0:07:41.470 --> 0:07:44.690 a battle of the bands. We were that confident. We 0:07:44.710 --> 0:07:45.740 were like, we're going to win this thing. 0:07:45.750 --> 0:07:46.580 We're going to win it. 0:07:46.570 --> 0:07:47.720 You and me, bro. We just entered a battle of 0:07:47.740 --> 0:07:50.440 the bands. Never played a show. Had never played one show. 0:07:50.460 --> 0:07:54.060 And I was actually writing the songs in the hallway 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.600 as we were waiting in line to go up. So 0:07:56.660 --> 0:07:58.620 I'm like, okay, here's how it's going to go. We're 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.790 going to do this. And I did it. And then 0:08:00.810 --> 0:08:02.150 we played those songs. We didn't win. 0:08:02.350 --> 0:08:03.030 You didn't? 0:08:03.070 --> 0:08:03.430 Shocking. 0:08:03.450 --> 0:08:04.170 Did you come in second? 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.040 Not even close okay we did not place but i 0:08:08.060 --> 0:08:11.230 will say three years later uh we were invited to 0:08:11.250 --> 0:08:13.710 play it was at smu uh in dallas it was 0:08:13.770 --> 0:08:16.550 the college and then we got invited three years later 0:08:16.890 --> 0:08:19.070 in my band rubik's groove uh which is a real 0:08:19.090 --> 0:08:21.540 band yes to play there and we did like a 0:08:21.570 --> 0:08:23.180 festival there and i was like oh this is where 0:08:23.220 --> 0:08:25.220 i got denied you know but it was inspiration i 0:08:25.260 --> 0:08:27.240 kept the you know all the letters of like the 0:08:27.300 --> 0:08:29.860 things that didn't work out you know we we applied 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.319 for south by southwest like all these like awesome things. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.280 Cause we were very confident in ourselves. 0:08:34.300 --> 0:08:34.640 Yes. 0:08:35.809 --> 0:08:37.189 And so we, you know, we thought we were, we 0:08:37.270 --> 0:08:38.830 were like, we're, we're going to make it no matter what. 0:08:39.230 --> 0:08:41.250 And so I kept all the letters, put them on 0:08:41.270 --> 0:08:43.349 the wall and then eventually made it back and headlined 0:08:43.370 --> 0:08:45.809 a festival there like three years later. Wow. 0:08:46.250 --> 0:08:47.230 That really is great. 0:08:47.309 --> 0:08:47.569 Okay. 0:08:47.590 --> 0:08:50.819 Cause I was going to say you had self-described Kane 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:52.760 as bad. And then I was going to ask you, well, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.060 what made it bad? But I guess really the only. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.180 Thing that we were making up the songs in the 0:08:56.220 --> 0:08:57.500 hallway on the way to the show. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:58.100 That's it. 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:58.540 That's it. 0:08:58.660 --> 0:09:00.480 That's it. That's pretty much it. 0:09:00.500 --> 0:09:02.180 That'll do it. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:06.179 I also love a good high school band breakup story. 0:09:06.260 --> 0:09:09.200 How did you and your brother decide to dissolve Kane 0:09:09.220 --> 0:09:10.000 before you made Rubik's Cube? 0:09:10.020 --> 0:09:13.960 So my brother bought me studio time in Dallas for 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.439 my birthday, but he could only afford a certain amount 0:09:16.460 --> 0:09:18.660 of hours because they charge by the hour. So he 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.360 could only afford for me to go in solo. I 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.100 couldn't afford for the band to come in and record. 0:09:22.460 --> 0:09:24.940 So I did three songs acoustic, just like one take. 0:09:25.340 --> 0:09:29.020 And the engineer was like, dude, I'm used to recording 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.650 such other stuff that this is actually really refreshing for me. 0:09:32.730 --> 0:09:34.750 I love your voice. I love what you're doing. So 0:09:34.970 --> 0:09:37.270 why don't you come in and do a whole album free? 0:09:37.450 --> 0:09:40.510 I'm not going to charge you, but it's going to 0:09:40.530 --> 0:09:42.209 be you acoustic. And so that's kind of what led. 0:09:42.230 --> 0:09:44.720 And then that little acoustic album started to get traction 0:09:44.740 --> 0:09:48.450 in town. And then I was like, um... And that 0:09:48.490 --> 0:09:50.970 led to me meeting Joe Simpson and Joe saw me 0:09:50.990 --> 0:09:53.820 play acoustic and heard that album and was like, so 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.160 you're going to move to L.A. with me and my family. 0:09:56.179 --> 0:09:59.569 And literally two days later, I didn't even have a 0:09:59.590 --> 0:10:02.410 pair of shoes. I had flip flops and a carry 0:10:02.429 --> 0:10:04.720 on suitcase. And I next day I'm living in L.A. 0:10:04.770 --> 0:10:05.520 with the Simpson family. 0:10:05.970 --> 0:10:09.370 Okay. How did you, did you discuss this with your parents? 0:10:09.450 --> 0:10:11.750 Because at this point you had briefly enrolled at the 0:10:11.790 --> 0:10:12.870 university of Texas, right? 0:10:12.929 --> 0:10:16.670 I was at UTD. I got three credits. No big deal. Wow. 0:10:16.770 --> 0:10:18.980 Three credits. Are you going to go back and finish? 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:19.550 Nope. 0:10:19.630 --> 0:10:20.020 Sure. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.040 Well, those three credits are in racquetball. So, uh, never 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.560 officially got, you know, I thought, you know, I knew 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.479 what I wanted to do at that point. I was like, 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.700 in my head, I'm playing music. That's it. There's no 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.730 such thing as failure. I'm, I'm going to make it. 0:10:32.300 --> 0:10:35.290 And that was what's nice about, you know, being young 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.560 and dumb and just believing, which is a beautiful thing 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.040 that I think hopefully people can have even later in 0:10:41.059 --> 0:10:43.880 life after experience and all those things of, of failure 0:10:43.900 --> 0:10:45.179 and all that kind of stuff. It's just like, no, 0:10:45.420 --> 0:10:47.220 this is happening and this is, here's how it's going 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.559 to go. And I got very lucky. Obviously I worked, but, 0:10:51.020 --> 0:10:53.650 but I got very lucky to meet Joe and then 0:10:54.010 --> 0:10:57.050 fly out to LA and live with this beautiful house 0:10:57.110 --> 0:10:57.689 in Encino. 0:10:58.050 --> 0:11:01.670 So were your parents supportive when you just said, Hey, no, 0:11:03.690 --> 0:11:04.150 They're pissed. 0:11:04.170 --> 0:11:05.790 My dad, my dad was always like, no, you got 0:11:05.809 --> 0:11:07.290 to get a real job. You're going to school. Do 0:11:07.309 --> 0:11:09.750 you get a job? This is how this works. And 0:11:09.770 --> 0:11:12.260 I was kind of anti all that. And then, uh, 0:11:13.340 --> 0:11:15.600 my brother was pretty upset because he was like, yo, 0:11:15.700 --> 0:11:18.160 you left me. I was supposed to be your manager. 0:11:18.260 --> 0:11:18.520 Yeah. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.730 But I got a, I got an opportunity to, you know, 0:11:20.770 --> 0:11:22.990 to go to LA and like actually do this for real, 0:11:23.090 --> 0:11:25.410 you know, kind of thing. And, um, It was, yeah, 0:11:25.460 --> 0:11:27.640 it was not supported by my parents. Even after, I'll 0:11:27.660 --> 0:11:29.460 be honest, like even after selling like, you know, 2 0:11:29.460 --> 0:11:31.620 million albums, they, my dad still was like, so when 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.540 are you going to get an actual job? I'm like, dad, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.839 I just sold out Wiltern. You know, I'm like, I 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.300 just played Madison Square Garden. Like I'm doing okay. You know, 0:11:39.380 --> 0:11:42.110 like I can do things. And he's like, you gotta 0:11:42.130 --> 0:11:42.630 get a real job. 0:11:42.870 --> 0:11:43.330 Okay. 0:11:43.590 --> 0:11:47.010 It's just different, different perspectives. You know, his reality was 0:11:47.030 --> 0:11:48.230 different than mine, but it's okay. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.020 Totally. My, my mom also raised in a house where 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.700 it was like, you've got to get a corporate job. 0:11:53.780 --> 0:11:56.250 Not even like anything in the, anything that was like 0:11:56.300 --> 0:12:00.350 a trade or creative wasn't real. It had to be like, 0:12:00.370 --> 0:12:01.929 you better work in a bank. Cause that's what her 0:12:01.950 --> 0:12:02.330 mom did. 0:12:02.350 --> 0:12:04.910 It was just that, yeah. The things that they didn't understand. Yeah. 0:12:05.210 --> 0:12:08.250 And, and to them that was security. They wanted security 0:12:08.309 --> 0:12:09.189 for you more than anything. 0:12:09.210 --> 0:12:11.100 Which is what we all want as parents now, of course. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:25.760 Of course. well just a few years later though you 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.120 release on the way down a song that is now 0:12:28.260 --> 0:12:31.400 just over 20 years old and this one really resonated 0:12:31.450 --> 0:12:34.810 with a specific listener because decades later it is still 0:12:35.090 --> 0:12:37.030 beloved did it always. 0:12:36.730 --> 0:12:39.710 Every grocery store you go to every grocery store every 0:12:39.809 --> 0:12:43.470 every saturday home depot lows if you're shopping you're gonna 0:12:43.490 --> 0:12:45.510 hear it which is pretty. 0:12:45.450 --> 0:12:47.679 Awesome we sing along and we go, I'm in a 0:12:47.700 --> 0:12:49.800 good mood. I don't, Oh, you know what? It's the song. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.300 Well, that's, that's like the early two thousands music. I 0:12:52.340 --> 0:12:55.000 think just in general, like that time period, like we 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:56.810 were at a party bus last night for my wife's birthday. 0:12:56.830 --> 0:12:58.550 And it's like, what does everyone want to hear? We 0:12:58.570 --> 0:13:01.850 put on two thousands, everyone's singing along. Absolutely. It's such 0:13:01.870 --> 0:13:04.890 like a beautiful time capsule of music and songwriting and, um, 0:13:05.870 --> 0:13:08.010 you know, it'll never be the same, but we had it. 0:13:08.150 --> 0:13:08.489 We did it. 0:13:08.650 --> 0:13:10.200 We did it. We, we did it and we got 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.319 to enjoy it. Did it always feel like a hit 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:13.800 to you from just day one? 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.560 No, what's funny is because I hear songs, you know, 0:13:16.580 --> 0:13:19.130 from friends of mine. I'm like, dude, obviously, you know, 0:13:19.230 --> 0:13:21.180 that was going to be, you know, a smash hit. 0:13:21.190 --> 0:13:22.369 And I'm like, dude, we didn't even think that was 0:13:22.390 --> 0:13:24.329 gonna be a single. So you never know when you're 0:13:24.429 --> 0:13:26.930 inside of it. You know, like, even like, if you're 0:13:27.290 --> 0:13:29.530 filming a show, you know, you're like, all right, hopefully 0:13:29.550 --> 0:13:32.390 this does well. We see it. We're like, obviously, that's 0:13:32.429 --> 0:13:35.560 an amazing show, you know, a certain song. Yeah, you 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.500 never have any idea. The only one that I knew 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.740 was going to be, you know, you never know, no. 0:13:41.820 --> 0:13:43.660 But in my heart, I was like, this is going 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.160 to be a big hit was the song True, which 0:13:45.179 --> 0:13:48.280 was my second single, which most people think on the 0:13:48.300 --> 0:13:50.030 way down was the biggest just because that's the one 0:13:50.070 --> 0:13:52.929 that came out first. But True ended up actually being, 0:13:53.050 --> 0:13:55.089 you know, my biggest song I ever had. And that 0:13:55.130 --> 0:13:56.530 was one that I was like, I had to fight 0:13:56.570 --> 0:13:58.390 for that one, too, because it was just an acoustic ballad. 0:13:58.410 --> 0:14:00.850 It was an acoustic guitar. And I worked with Johnny 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.229 Resnick from the Goo Goo Dolls and he was the 0:14:02.429 --> 0:14:05.050 producer on the whole album. And he was always like, dude, 0:14:06.090 --> 0:14:08.010 you know, like a song with just an acoustic guitar 0:14:08.030 --> 0:14:10.130 and a falsetto, like that's just, you know, it's not 0:14:10.150 --> 0:14:11.349 going to work on radio. You know, we have to 0:14:11.410 --> 0:14:13.790 add like this big band to it. And I fought 0:14:13.830 --> 0:14:15.630 to just keep it acoustic. I was like, you never 0:14:15.690 --> 0:14:17.530 know until you know, like let's do something different. And 0:14:17.570 --> 0:14:20.730 at the time, like John Mayer kind of was kind 0:14:20.750 --> 0:14:24.110 of setting the path for singer songwriters because that wasn't popular. 0:14:24.130 --> 0:14:28.280 Like the solo guy wasn't like huge yet. And then 0:14:28.460 --> 0:14:29.780 I was like, all right, we pushed for it. And 0:14:29.830 --> 0:14:31.350 it came out and ended up being my biggest song. 0:14:32.370 --> 0:14:35.510 So great. You know, I just, I just interviewed Salt-N-Pepa 0:14:35.550 --> 0:14:38.290 recently and they had the exact same conversation with me. 0:14:38.370 --> 0:14:40.320 They said, you know, Push It wasn't supposed to be 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.600 a single. And they had no idea that it was 0:14:43.620 --> 0:14:45.180 going to be as huge as it was. And then 0:14:45.220 --> 0:14:46.740 when they were like, you know, yeah, we think this 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.640 should be the single. And you just never know when 0:14:49.660 --> 0:14:50.810 you're on the inside. 0:14:50.830 --> 0:14:50.910 Yeah. 0:14:51.300 --> 0:14:53.400 What's going to end up being massive for you? 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.100 Well, yeah, the label will always tell you one thing 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:56.860 because they have their opinion. It's like, but sometimes you 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.020 got to stick with it. I remember the story, like 0:14:59.060 --> 0:15:01.200 when I was putting out True, it was Daughters for 0:15:01.220 --> 0:15:01.660 John Mayer. 0:15:01.740 --> 0:15:02.200 Oh, yeah. 0:15:02.220 --> 0:15:04.320 John Mayer was like, this isn't a single, whatever. And 0:15:04.340 --> 0:15:06.660 then the guy who, we had the same publisher, Evan Lamberg, 0:15:07.020 --> 0:15:09.000 and he was like, nope, I believe in this song 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:10.600 and I believe in True and I believe in you, 0:15:10.620 --> 0:15:12.340 like whatever. And he pushed for it and it worked 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:12.680 out great. 0:15:13.460 --> 0:15:13.780 So great. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.000 My first number one on TRL. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:16.840 First number one, True. 0:15:16.860 --> 0:15:17.940 First number one on TRL, yeah. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.020 Oh, I love that. I know early in your career, 0:15:21.060 --> 0:15:24.340 you lived out my dream, which is performing in malls. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.780 I would do every podcast from the Topanga Mall if 0:15:27.820 --> 0:15:28.380 they would let me. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:29.180 Really? 0:15:29.460 --> 0:15:31.540 Oh, I love a mall. Especially that mall. 0:15:31.580 --> 0:15:34.740 Same. So I always booked our hotels. I was like, 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.240 just put me by a mall. Wherever we're performing, I 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:38.590 was like, put me by a mall. I had to 0:15:38.610 --> 0:15:39.380 go walk around a mall. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:40.250 It was a plus. 0:15:40.300 --> 0:15:42.090 But yeah, that was our first tour. It was legit. 0:15:42.110 --> 0:15:42.770 We did a mall tour. 0:15:42.790 --> 0:15:47.229 What do you remember from those early days of mall tours? Um.. 0:15:47.970 --> 0:15:51.450 A couple different things. I mean, just a lot of 0:15:51.470 --> 0:15:55.190 screaming girls, which was really fun. And then Claire's. I 0:15:55.210 --> 0:16:00.290 remember getting my first, like, jewelry line in Claire's. And 0:16:00.310 --> 0:16:02.290 I would go in and be like, I'm going to 0:16:02.330 --> 0:16:05.109 buy this. They'd be like, okay, cool. And they wouldn't 0:16:05.130 --> 0:16:07.930 give a shit. They're like, do you see who's jewelry 0:16:07.970 --> 0:16:08.210 this is? 0:16:08.290 --> 0:16:08.730 Oh, yeah. 0:16:08.810 --> 0:16:11.570 I just tried it. But look again. They're like, okay, cool. 0:16:11.590 --> 0:16:13.450 We'll check you out. I'm like, all right. I'll go 0:16:13.470 --> 0:16:14.290 to the next Claire's. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:17.380 Maybe at the next city. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:18.870 Yeah. That's what I remember from malls though. 0:16:20.010 --> 0:16:23.050 It's funny. Minor, minor Cinnabon. Me too. 0:16:23.190 --> 0:16:25.830 Yeah. And Auntie Anne's are like the pretzel smell. 0:16:25.930 --> 0:16:29.170 The smell. And then like leaving. And sometimes fans would 0:16:29.210 --> 0:16:32.290 buy you a Cinnabon. Like they'd buy, fans would buy 0:16:32.340 --> 0:16:33.580 me mini Cinnabons. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.660 And you actually ate them? I'd be scared. Heck yeah. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:37.160 They were sealed. 0:16:37.180 --> 0:16:38.320 Oh yeah. You're right. You're right. 0:16:38.700 --> 0:16:40.940 They were sealed. Oh yeah. I'm not going to pass 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.880 up a Cinnabon. You know what? Is there a risk 0:16:42.900 --> 0:16:43.360 of poison? 0:16:43.500 --> 0:16:43.780 Sure. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.180 Is it worth the risk? Maybe. I think so, yeah. 0:16:47.420 --> 0:16:48.460 Yeah. 0:16:49.020 --> 0:16:51.840 A lot of listeners were probably introduced to you thanks 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.700 to reality television. First, on The Ashley Simpson Show, when 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.280 you two were dating back in 2004. And you mentioned 0:16:59.300 --> 0:17:01.610 that her dad originally got you out to LA as, 0:17:01.790 --> 0:17:03.770 and he was your manager, which is kind of where 0:17:03.810 --> 0:17:07.950 your career started. As a kid from Dallas, with really 0:17:08.090 --> 0:17:11.070 no knowledge of LA, what was it like to then 0:17:11.150 --> 0:17:16.110 be thrown into the life of paparazzi, because now you're 0:17:16.150 --> 0:17:19.590 a part of, you're living with the Simpsons and they 0:17:19.630 --> 0:17:22.430 were basically being trailed 24 seven at that time. 0:17:22.990 --> 0:17:25.290 Yeah. Well, that was actually, it was like right before 0:17:25.369 --> 0:17:28.210 like the newlyweds, you know, so reality TV was still 0:17:28.630 --> 0:17:31.520 being born, you know, it was like the Osbournes and, um, 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.080 you know, it was when reality was real. And I remember, 0:17:34.100 --> 0:17:36.060 I still remember what, well, first of all, I'll start 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.300 with what was it like getting there? I was just 0:17:38.380 --> 0:17:41.720 a kid with big eyes and just stoked to be 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.020 there and yeah next thing i know you know ashley's 0:17:44.060 --> 0:17:45.830 my neighbor like you know and i would go run 0:17:45.869 --> 0:17:48.430 by and like play her songs and um i always 0:17:48.470 --> 0:17:51.030 had a crush on her um but we weren't dating 0:17:51.070 --> 0:17:53.170 at the time she was with somebody else but i 0:17:53.190 --> 0:17:55.169 would like go into her room and play her songs 0:17:55.230 --> 0:17:57.820 and stuff and um be kind of jealous of like 0:17:57.859 --> 0:18:00.320 the dudes that she would have over and then uh 0:18:01.020 --> 0:18:03.619 and then the show started happening and next thing you 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.530 know like it just all happened like obviously organically but um, actually, no, 0:18:07.570 --> 0:18:09.649 it started from a music video. I remember it was 0:18:09.710 --> 0:18:11.609 Joe's idea to put Ashley in my, on the way 0:18:11.650 --> 0:18:14.429 down music video. And then that night, so we had 0:18:14.450 --> 0:18:16.909 to kiss the video. I remember being super nervous. We 0:18:16.930 --> 0:18:19.230 kissed in the video. And then that night we ended 0:18:19.369 --> 0:18:22.450 up on the dance floor in a club. And then 0:18:22.470 --> 0:18:25.830 we're like, well, this is weird. This is like, we're 0:18:25.850 --> 0:18:27.860 like roommates, you know, we live in the same house now. 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.280 And then the show started happening. So they just followed 0:18:30.340 --> 0:18:32.780 us around. And that kind of was the birth of, 0:18:33.490 --> 0:18:36.330 our relationship and, you know, us as artists. But at 0:18:36.369 --> 0:18:38.030 that time, reality TV was real. 0:18:38.470 --> 0:18:39.310 Yeah, exactly. 0:18:40.430 --> 0:18:42.890 That was it. There was no storylines. There was no like, okay, 0:18:42.930 --> 0:18:44.290 here's who you have to talk about. Here's what you 0:18:44.310 --> 0:18:47.510 gotta do. There's no beats. There's, it was cameras around 0:18:47.570 --> 0:18:49.890 us and we didn't pay attention and we were actually 0:18:49.930 --> 0:18:52.760 ourselves on that show. So when I look back at that, 0:18:52.780 --> 0:18:54.460 like it was a, it was a fun time. Cause 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.760 I was just like, that was just us being us. Right. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.100 And then knowing obviously what it was like later with 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.040 the girl that I dated that was on the Hills. Yeah. 0:19:01.340 --> 0:19:04.550 Then I get– so she was like, hey, we kind 0:19:04.570 --> 0:19:05.950 of have to film because if we want to– I 0:19:05.970 --> 0:19:08.410 don't want people to think I'm with someone else, whatever, blah, blah, blah. 0:19:08.430 --> 0:19:10.110 So I showed up. And then you get there and like, 0:19:10.130 --> 0:19:12.130 all right, here's who you're talking about. Here's what y'all 0:19:12.150 --> 0:19:14.830 are doing today. I'm like, wait, what? I was like, 0:19:14.850 --> 0:19:15.350 this is weird. 0:19:15.790 --> 0:19:16.169 What a change. 0:19:16.190 --> 0:19:18.330 We have to break up with each other two different ways? 0:19:18.650 --> 0:19:19.060 I know. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.220 I was going to ask you about that because then 0:19:21.260 --> 0:19:23.760 you find yourself on the hills. You're dating Audrina Patridge. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.550 Yeah. Which we dated before the Hills ever even existed, too. 0:19:27.630 --> 0:19:29.379 So like that actually was a real relationship. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:30.060 Right. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.820 We'd met. We used to go to a place called 0:19:32.820 --> 0:19:36.060 40 Deuce back in the day. And that was kind 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:37.680 of what started our relationship. And we ended up breaking 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.740 up and we got back together. When we got back together, 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:41.629 she was on that show and she told me about it. 0:19:41.740 --> 0:19:44.090 She's like, hey, I'm on the show. If, you know, 0:19:44.130 --> 0:19:46.770 you kind of want to be around, like the only 0:19:46.810 --> 0:19:48.889 problem is if you're not, then people are going to 0:19:48.930 --> 0:19:51.320 think I'm dating somebody. else because this is what they 0:19:51.340 --> 0:19:53.320 have me doing on the show. So that was kind 0:19:53.340 --> 0:19:55.679 of how that went down. Showed up for her and 0:19:55.700 --> 0:19:57.960 then it was interesting to. 0:19:57.740 --> 0:20:01.100 Say the least. So when you guys then break up, 0:20:01.619 --> 0:20:03.260 was it a real breakup? No. 0:20:04.170 --> 0:20:04.390 No. 0:20:04.470 --> 0:20:06.510 And then people just see you walking around. Were people 0:20:06.570 --> 0:20:08.350 in shock to see you like walking around the Grove 0:20:08.390 --> 0:20:08.930 holding hands? 0:20:09.910 --> 0:20:11.600 Uh, not in LA. Not so much. Cause that was 0:20:11.630 --> 0:20:14.000 just normal. Yeah. Whatever. But yeah, we would break up 0:20:14.100 --> 0:20:17.020 and then we'd go play super Nintendo and then go, 0:20:17.340 --> 0:20:20.600 go out. I would break up with her. Then she 0:20:20.619 --> 0:20:22.419 would break up with me and then they would decide 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.619 how they wanted the storyline to go. And then we'd have, 0:20:25.810 --> 0:20:28.169 but like some of those, like whatever, I don't know 0:20:28.190 --> 0:20:29.770 if there were arguments or whatever, the things that we 0:20:29.790 --> 0:20:31.940 would break up, they were like, wait, It was hard 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:33.720 to turn off like, okay, by the way, we're not 0:20:33.859 --> 0:20:34.940 upset with each other. Right. 0:20:34.980 --> 0:20:35.720 That was acting. 0:20:36.100 --> 0:20:38.740 Yeah, it was exactly. It was, it was acting, but 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.100 then it was hard to like, kind of pull away 0:20:40.140 --> 0:20:41.640 from that and be like, okay, by the way, let's 0:20:41.660 --> 0:20:42.330 go have a fun night. 0:20:42.670 --> 0:20:44.410 Yeah. It's a little like when you wake up from 0:20:44.470 --> 0:20:46.590 a bad dream where your spouse has cheated on you 0:20:46.650 --> 0:20:48.050 in your dream or something. And you're like. 0:20:48.690 --> 0:20:49.830 It felt real. Yeah. 0:20:49.990 --> 0:20:51.209 I feel I'm, I'm kind of pissed. 0:20:51.230 --> 0:20:53.510 That happens to me a lot because my wife, for 0:20:53.570 --> 0:20:55.520 some reason, I'm a real asshole in her dreams. 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:56.460 Really? 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.500 Yeah. It doesn't make sense. I'm like, I didn't do anything. 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:04.050 I'm a super nice guy. I'm like, why am I, 0:21:04.090 --> 0:21:11.560 why am I such a dick in your dreams? All 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.680 her greatest fears come out in her dreams. 0:21:13.700 --> 0:21:14.420 Yeah. Yeah. 0:21:14.790 --> 0:21:17.890 You ended up touring with Jessica in 2004. And I'm 0:21:18.250 --> 0:21:20.330 what do you remember about that tour? I'm assuming you 0:21:20.369 --> 0:21:22.210 were doing some pretty big venues. 0:21:22.510 --> 0:21:24.840 Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So that was well, it was 0:21:24.859 --> 0:21:26.280 my first time I ever got like a tour bus. 0:21:26.300 --> 0:21:28.140 And I remember being a kid like if one or, 0:21:28.340 --> 0:21:29.919 you know, a little bit like 1890s. I was like, 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:31.980 one day if I if I'm ever on a tour bus, 0:21:32.180 --> 0:21:35.560 that that is how I know I made it. And 0:21:35.580 --> 0:21:38.330 I got a bus. I had Michael Bolton's original bus. Oh, 0:21:38.420 --> 0:21:40.060 like the 80s. And it smelled like pee. 0:21:41.650 --> 0:21:43.410 I was hoping for some sort of eighties cologne. 0:21:43.430 --> 0:21:46.389 Nope. Nope. Nope. Smell like pee. The whole bus smell 0:21:46.410 --> 0:21:48.930 like pee. Uh, but I had a bus. 0:21:49.450 --> 0:21:49.859 You made it. 0:21:49.859 --> 0:21:52.600 I had a bus. I done made it. Uh, it 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.359 was super fun. You know, like just getting to, to 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.940 be like play those huge stage. Nobody knew who I was. And, um, 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.040 but it, you know, went over great. And that's kind 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.100 of like how it all started. I've always been on 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.280 the road, you know, I've always performed and played live. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.160 So I was like, all right, that was right after, 0:22:07.380 --> 0:22:10.369 or right before the mall tour. So, I really did 0:22:10.390 --> 0:22:11.750 it like the old school pop way, huh? 0:22:11.970 --> 0:22:12.770 You did. 0:22:12.830 --> 0:22:15.750 Opening for Jewel, Jessica Simpson, mall tour. 0:22:16.130 --> 0:22:20.600 I mean, the highlights, just truly like highlights. 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:22.240 Yeah, the good old pop days. 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:22.800 These days. 0:22:22.820 --> 0:22:23.440 Good old pop days. 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:25.080 People miss a good mall tour. 0:22:26.660 --> 0:22:28.640 I would be first in line. I love, I mean, 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.560 also I, the kids, when I go to the mall, 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.409 there are a lot of young cools in malls. 0:22:34.869 --> 0:22:35.730 The back? 0:22:35.830 --> 0:22:36.090 Good. 0:22:36.310 --> 0:22:39.389 It's back. I feel like it's back. They walk around. 0:22:39.710 --> 0:22:40.810 Lemonade on a stick or something. 0:22:40.990 --> 0:22:44.450 Yes. They walk by the arcade. Hot dog on a stick. 0:22:44.850 --> 0:22:47.010 Yeah. It's back. It's, it's back. 0:22:47.090 --> 0:22:49.130 I'm always like, okay, I love it. It's a busy 0:22:49.170 --> 0:22:51.500 parking lot. Hard to find parking, but that means it's thriving. 0:22:51.540 --> 0:22:52.359 I'm excited. 0:22:52.420 --> 0:22:55.240 Blockbuster. Like, I feel like all those things people would 0:22:55.260 --> 0:22:58.520 actually really enjoy. People are over– well, I don't know. 0:22:58.800 --> 0:22:59.220 You're right. 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.669 Over like those things. Just like bring back the good stuff. Yes. 0:23:03.950 --> 0:23:06.730 I just heard about a phone that they're calling the 0:23:06.790 --> 0:23:11.130 tin can phone. And it's basically– a home phone for 0:23:11.190 --> 0:23:12.310 young people. 0:23:12.450 --> 0:23:14.930 That- Remember like the clear one? We might have one here. 0:23:15.340 --> 0:23:17.280 Like the clear phone with the cord and you would 0:23:17.300 --> 0:23:18.399 just lay on your bed or right to the side 0:23:18.500 --> 0:23:19.659 of it and be on the phone all night. 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:20.600 Yes, I used to love that. 0:23:20.619 --> 0:23:22.659 I would be on the phone for hours. 0:23:22.820 --> 0:23:24.520 We might have one. 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:26.460 Let's look to see if you have one. Bring that back. 0:23:28.100 --> 0:23:31.320 Oh, wait, we got this. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What 0:23:31.340 --> 0:23:31.740 do you got? 0:23:31.780 --> 0:23:32.400 What do you got? 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:34.460 What is this phone? 0:23:35.700 --> 0:23:39.030 Oh, what? An NSYNC hotline phone? 0:23:39.050 --> 0:23:40.130 Oh, my gosh. 0:23:40.330 --> 0:23:40.810 Is that an Nokia? 0:23:40.850 --> 0:23:43.189 Now we're talking. It's me talking on the phone. 0:23:43.210 --> 0:23:44.290 Oh, my gosh. 0:23:45.109 --> 0:23:45.310 See? 0:23:45.330 --> 0:23:48.689 Oh, my God. Look at the intimate video. What does 0:23:48.750 --> 0:23:50.670 that say? I don't know. 0:23:51.210 --> 0:23:54.820 Oh, the intimate video. Oh, my gosh. This stuff is 0:23:54.900 --> 0:23:55.440 so good. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.940 That is great. Oh, we need to. Oh, my God. 0:23:58.040 --> 0:23:59.179 Classic. Remember this? 0:23:59.700 --> 0:24:02.790 Let me see. Oh, of course. A magic eight ball. 0:24:03.030 --> 0:24:04.910 Mine would always get stuck. Let's see what yours says. 0:24:04.950 --> 0:24:05.550 You're stuck. 0:24:06.130 --> 0:24:06.550 It's stuck. 0:24:06.770 --> 0:24:09.190 It's stuck. That's exactly it. It's always on the side. 0:24:09.510 --> 0:24:14.560 It's stuck. I'm glad to see some things never change. 0:24:15.020 --> 0:24:17.139 Yeah. But you, but those are good memories. 0:24:17.340 --> 0:24:19.340 Yes, they are. And you've still got them. You've still 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:20.850 got them right there to relive every day. 0:24:21.030 --> 0:24:21.570 My wife does. 0:24:21.590 --> 0:24:22.070 Yeah. 0:24:22.109 --> 0:24:23.070 She's got a lot of fun stuff. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.340 Speaking of your wife you are married to and you 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:42.700 have an almost three-year-old daughter with the amazing alexa bliss 0:24:43.100 --> 0:24:47.770 wwe superstar yeah did you know anything about wrestling when 0:24:47.790 --> 0:24:49.530 you guys started dating I. 0:24:49.570 --> 0:24:52.689 Did because, so one of my first friends in LA, 0:24:53.060 --> 0:24:55.280 like back in like the early 2000s was Mike the Miz. 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.460 So before he was ever a wrestler, you know, he'd 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.080 done the real world. I don't know if you remember 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.040 Saddle Ranch back. 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:02.420 In the day, but that was like- Who can forget 0:25:02.460 --> 0:25:03.179 Saddle Ranch? 0:25:03.260 --> 0:25:07.530 The spot. Saddle Ranch was the spot. The spot. So 0:25:07.570 --> 0:25:09.150 we would go out there and like that was where 0:25:09.190 --> 0:25:11.550 all the real world cast would hang out. And so 0:25:11.830 --> 0:25:13.850 me and Mike just became friends. And then eventually like 0:25:13.869 --> 0:25:15.490 down the line, like maybe five or six years later, 0:25:15.510 --> 0:25:17.550 he's like, you know, I'm going to be a wrestler. 0:25:17.590 --> 0:25:19.370 Like I always said, whatever. And I'm like, yeah, right. 0:25:19.750 --> 0:25:22.750 And then I remember not thinking much about it. And 0:25:22.770 --> 0:25:24.170 I was in a seven 11 one day and I 0:25:24.210 --> 0:25:26.450 was going to get a drink. And then the cup 0:25:26.619 --> 0:25:30.879 had Mike, the Ms. WWE superstar. And I was like, texted. 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.180 I was like, wait, what? You actually did that? He's like, dude, 0:25:33.300 --> 0:25:34.580 I'm a big deal. I'm the Ms. 0:25:34.980 --> 0:25:35.600 I'm like, all right. 0:25:35.619 --> 0:25:37.360 But I thought that was like a joke. And so 0:25:37.380 --> 0:25:40.700 he actually did it. And then fast forward, like maybe 0:25:40.700 --> 0:25:42.520 10 years later, he had a TV show called Ms. 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:43.020 And Mrs. 0:25:43.140 --> 0:25:43.400 Yeah. 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.869 USA network. And he was like, Dave, you know, will 0:25:46.890 --> 0:25:48.330 you come be on this show with me? So I 0:25:48.350 --> 0:25:51.070 did that show with him. And then somebody started a 0:25:51.109 --> 0:25:54.270 rumor online. I don't know if it parlayed maybe because 0:25:54.290 --> 0:25:55.830 of that show, but they were like, oh, I hear 0:25:55.869 --> 0:25:57.550 you and Alexa Bliss are dating. So Mike called me 0:25:58.430 --> 0:26:00.300 and he's like, I hear you're dating Alexa Bliss. And 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.540 I said, I was like, okay. I was like, I'm 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.020 not sure I'm single, but I don't know who that is, 0:26:05.060 --> 0:26:06.860 but all right. And then he showed me a picture. 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.200 I was like, all right, well, introduce us. He never 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.340 did though. He'll claim that he did. He never actually 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:16.020 did it. Really? He will take credit for this? He 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:17.180 took a lot. Oh, of course. It's Mike. 0:26:17.380 --> 0:26:19.629 Who did end up, yeah, exactly. Who did end up 0:26:19.690 --> 0:26:20.250 introducing you? 0:26:20.270 --> 0:26:23.030 Whoever started that rumor. Whoever started the rumor. So we 0:26:23.070 --> 0:26:25.970 ended up talking just online. I was on a plane 0:26:26.010 --> 0:26:28.510 and we were chatting. We had mutual friends. And so 0:26:28.550 --> 0:26:29.889 we had a lot in common. We were chatting for 0:26:29.910 --> 0:26:31.460 like five hours. And I was like, all right. 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:32.639 On the plane? You guys were next to each other 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:33.000 on a plane? 0:26:33.300 --> 0:26:35.980 No, no, no. Just chatting. Okay, on the phone. Yeah, 0:26:36.060 --> 0:26:37.399 on the phone. And then I was like, well, I'm 0:26:37.420 --> 0:26:39.830 landing in Orlando. And it was really nice talking to you. 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:41.939 She's like, oh, well, I live in Orlando. I was like, 0:26:42.090 --> 0:26:43.649 all right. what are you doing tomorrow night? Cause I'm 0:26:43.670 --> 0:26:45.510 playing nine shows at Epcot with Joey Fatone. If you 0:26:45.530 --> 0:26:46.790 want to come by. And she was like, maybe I 0:26:47.330 --> 0:26:49.150 was like, excuse me. 0:26:49.910 --> 0:26:50.430 What do you mean? 0:26:51.510 --> 0:26:53.750 And though eventually I got her out, I was persistent 0:26:53.850 --> 0:26:55.629 and we kept being in the same city just like 0:26:55.730 --> 0:26:57.550 over and over again. And then I was like, you 0:26:57.570 --> 0:26:57.990 can't get rid of me. 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:04.280 Oh my gosh. So cute. What is your relationship with wrestling? 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:06.700 Like now do you, are you a fan? Do you 0:27:06.780 --> 0:27:08.120 love it? Do you love the culture? 0:27:08.140 --> 0:27:11.609 I do actually. Like, I mean, it's, so entertaining and 0:27:11.670 --> 0:27:14.220 our daughter loves it. Like she, like once we leave 0:27:14.260 --> 0:27:17.379 like the show, like at first we're like, okay, hopefully 0:27:17.420 --> 0:27:19.990 she's into this and she's not thinking like what's going on. 0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:21.420 Like we didn't, we didn't know exactly what to think, 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:23.439 but we just, you know, we started early and then 0:27:23.580 --> 0:27:25.540 whenever I would like, like I got into the bathroom, 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.030 she'd start crying because she wanted to see the show. 0:27:28.109 --> 0:27:31.570 Like now, and she, she goes, one, two, three, ding, ding, ding. 0:27:31.970 --> 0:27:34.369 And like when she sees mommy on TV, she goes crazy. 0:27:35.290 --> 0:27:37.850 So I always say like, even I love bringing friends who, 0:27:38.490 --> 0:27:40.250 don't know the culture, don't have no idea what's going on. Like, 0:27:40.410 --> 0:27:42.820 I promise you, no matter what you think, you're going 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.420 to have a great time. Exactly. And they're like, they're 0:27:45.460 --> 0:27:47.919 into it by like the fourth match. They're like, oh, 0:27:47.940 --> 0:27:49.920 they're like screaming and getting into it. Yeah. 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:53.260 I feel like wrestling is a subculture similar to what 0:27:53.380 --> 0:27:55.990 you came up with, like through the Warped Tour, you know, 0:27:56.090 --> 0:28:00.410 like it's everyone knows the wrestlers backstories and old tag teams, 0:28:00.550 --> 0:28:02.910 just like everyone knows all the old bands everybody used 0:28:02.930 --> 0:28:04.550 to be in. They're both scenes. 0:28:04.570 --> 0:28:04.810 Yeah. 0:28:05.530 --> 0:28:08.970 It's a scene. Yeah, definitely. Definitely a scene. But, you know, 0:28:09.570 --> 0:28:11.729 at this point, I think it's just so fun to 0:28:11.750 --> 0:28:14.420 go see what it's all about now. Obviously, like having 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.979 like a different perspective, you know, seeing what goes on 0:28:18.020 --> 0:28:21.040 like behind the scenes is very interesting. But it's like 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.659 it's crazy. Like how I mean, I have so much 0:28:23.820 --> 0:28:26.639 respect for what they do. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:27.149 So do I. 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.870 She, she gets out of bed and she's like, like cracking. 0:28:31.430 --> 0:28:31.850 Right. 0:28:31.930 --> 0:28:33.510 Everything. She's like, did you hear that? 0:28:33.570 --> 0:28:34.410 I was like, yeah. 0:28:34.910 --> 0:28:39.310 Woke me up. She's like, ah, hear that? Everything cracks. 0:28:39.410 --> 0:28:41.380 Everything's. Yeah. 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:42.720 That it's wild. 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:43.500 I know. 0:28:43.660 --> 0:28:44.320 Have you been in a ring? 0:28:45.070 --> 0:28:48.190 I've never been– well, I've been in one for Boy 0:28:48.210 --> 0:28:51.390 Meets World. I got to dance in a ring. So 0:28:51.430 --> 0:28:52.450 I've been inside one. 0:28:52.430 --> 0:28:53.840 But never– Did you really hit the ropes or anything? 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:54.430 Yes. 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:54.820 It hurts. 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:55.960 It's painful. 0:28:55.980 --> 0:28:58.680 It hurts. My back was bloody. We filmed this episode 0:28:58.740 --> 0:29:00.870 in the ring. I was like– people don't realize like that– 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.760 it's like wood. Yes. That's not like a trampoline. It's 0:29:03.780 --> 0:29:05.680 like wood and then those ropes are like boat wire. 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.140 That's holding up the entire ring. It hurts. 0:29:07.260 --> 0:29:09.830 I know. It hurts. It is painful and they just 0:29:09.910 --> 0:29:11.520 throw themselves into it. 0:29:11.910 --> 0:29:12.170 Yep. 0:29:12.730 --> 0:29:17.510 Has having– a daughter changed your approach to songwriting at all? 0:29:18.830 --> 0:29:19.490 I cry a lot. 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:22.620 Oh, made you more sensitive. 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.620 A hundred percent. Well, I've always been sensitive. Uh, and 0:29:25.660 --> 0:29:28.600 then once you have a daughter, obviously that changes everything. 0:29:28.620 --> 0:29:31.620 And of course, I think my wife's like her fun 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:33.390 thing for the morning is send me like, you know, 0:29:33.430 --> 0:29:35.680 like the daddy daughter videos. And I click that like, really, 0:29:35.700 --> 0:29:38.300 you want me to cry before 8 a.m.? Thanks a lot. Oh, 0:29:38.300 --> 0:29:42.220 my gosh. But yeah, I mean, everything now, obviously, everything 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.450 you do, you know, once you have a kid in 0:29:44.470 --> 0:29:47.520 your brain is just like for them. Yeah. So when 0:29:47.540 --> 0:29:49.680 I'm writing a song, I'm like, okay, would she like this? 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:51.140 Or like, I want to put her on it or like, 0:29:51.380 --> 0:29:54.450 you know, so now, and that started actually too. And 0:29:54.690 --> 0:29:56.630 once I got married, like, so everything from that point, 0:29:56.650 --> 0:29:58.330 I was like, okay, this is about my wife. Now 0:29:58.390 --> 0:30:00.810 it's going to be spun in like a different way. 0:30:00.850 --> 0:30:02.810 I try to make it interesting, but still I'm like, okay, 0:30:02.830 --> 0:30:04.530 what would my wife think? And then now it's like, 0:30:04.550 --> 0:30:06.210 you know, okay, my daughter, like, what would she think? 0:30:06.230 --> 0:30:09.070 And it's fun to like write her songs and, um, 0:30:09.450 --> 0:30:11.490 but you still gotta be yourself as well. So there there's, 0:30:11.650 --> 0:30:12.980 I have a new album coming out and there's, there's 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.120 some naughty songs on there. 0:30:14.300 --> 0:30:15.440 But yeah. 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:17.900 Not like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:18.459 I know what you mean. 0:30:18.500 --> 0:30:18.660 Yeah. 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:23.730 I realized your wedding was one Carson daily segment away 0:30:23.790 --> 0:30:27.550 from being a true two thousands fever dream. Yellow card 0:30:27.590 --> 0:30:30.970 performed Jarrett from bowling for soup, Lance, Joey, and Chris 0:30:31.010 --> 0:30:33.590 took the stage for a mini in sync reunion. What 0:30:33.630 --> 0:30:36.710 do you think it is about our era of music 0:30:36.930 --> 0:30:39.570 that still resonates so much with people? 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.740 I mean, it's so hard to pinpoint exactly what it was, 0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:44.979 but it's just that, like we talked about earlier, like 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.820 that time period of songwriting, uh, every, you know, what's 0:30:49.020 --> 0:30:51.520 great about that is every song was different. Like every 0:30:51.540 --> 0:30:55.920 song was unique and like, it didn't have an exact sound. Yep. 0:30:56.180 --> 0:30:59.000 You know, like where, like some things nowadays you're like, okay, 0:30:59.020 --> 0:31:02.510 well any artists could do that song. I think most 0:31:02.550 --> 0:31:04.750 back then you're like, okay, only that artist could do 0:31:04.770 --> 0:31:07.450 that song. Like only yellow card could sing ocean Avenue, 0:31:07.510 --> 0:31:09.920 you know? Yep. uh you know only in sync could 0:31:09.940 --> 0:31:11.720 do those i'm actually did those songs so well it's 0:31:11.740 --> 0:31:15.020 like sometimes nowadays because you know there's just a lot 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:16.920 of songwriters out there that write songs they go all 0:31:17.220 --> 0:31:18.479 right give it to this artist give it to this 0:31:18.550 --> 0:31:20.440 artist give to this artist so it's harder to have 0:31:20.460 --> 0:31:22.610 like an identity of like who you are as opposed 0:31:22.630 --> 0:31:25.210 to as an artist versus just being a singer and 0:31:25.250 --> 0:31:28.850 a performer um so i think then you're like those 0:31:28.890 --> 0:31:31.370 people who perform at the wedding like only those people 0:31:31.430 --> 0:31:33.870 could do that song because either they wrote it or 0:31:33.890 --> 0:31:36.070 you know it was just perfect for them and i 0:31:36.090 --> 0:31:38.040 think that's kind of what makes it so unique and 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.820 special um yeah not like i don't want to like 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.760 ever you know talk trash about like any of the 0:31:44.780 --> 0:31:47.140 artists today because there's still so many amazing artists but 0:31:47.220 --> 0:31:49.200 yeah i think they've just been a little bit lost 0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:50.700 in the sauce when it comes to like all right 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.220 here's a hit song give it to that person right 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.100 and it doesn't really like identify with who they are 0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:58.020 yes you know. 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:02.090 I mean totally get it talking about trl you What 0:32:02.150 --> 0:32:05.340 a time to be alive. The best. What a time. 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:05.880 The best. 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.620 Did you have fun there or were you ever too 0:32:08.660 --> 0:32:09.600 nervous to have a good time? 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:10.400 Never. 0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:11.240 Never. 0:32:11.300 --> 0:32:13.380 Never. It was always just so much fun. I remember 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.420 being in the photo booth like it was yesterday. You know, 0:32:15.460 --> 0:32:17.650 it was like the day like Paris Hilton walking by 0:32:17.710 --> 0:32:21.550 the hallway and, you know, all those things that in 0:32:21.610 --> 0:32:24.710 my mind, you know, and it was delusional in my brain, 0:32:24.750 --> 0:32:27.890 but like I always belonged. I didn't. But like in 0:32:27.930 --> 0:32:29.870 my head, I did. I was like, this is where I'm, 0:32:30.130 --> 0:32:32.110 this is where I was watching one day. I was 0:32:32.150 --> 0:32:34.110 watching this show on television. I was like, I'm going 0:32:34.130 --> 0:32:36.550 to be on that show one day. And so in 0:32:36.590 --> 0:32:38.870 my brain, I belonged. So when I was there, it 0:32:38.890 --> 0:32:41.660 was like, this is my show. And that's kind of, 0:32:41.670 --> 0:32:43.880 you know, the way you need to be as an artist. Now, 0:32:43.910 --> 0:32:45.800 when you're not there and you're not on stage and 0:32:45.820 --> 0:32:49.160 you're not performing, that was the exact opposite. But when 0:32:49.180 --> 0:32:51.740 I was there, like you, you have to be in 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.100 it and immersed in it. And I remember the first, 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.120 the first time I was ever on TRL, because the 0:32:56.140 --> 0:32:57.280 dream was always going to the window. 0:32:58.290 --> 0:32:59.790 You know, like go to the window and like seeing 0:32:59.890 --> 0:33:01.330 all the fans down there. 0:33:01.930 --> 0:33:03.690 And so the first time I was ever on it, 0:33:03.820 --> 0:33:07.580 I was supposed to do an interview with Vanessa and Damien. 0:33:07.660 --> 0:33:09.380 And they're like, okay, so here's the spot, you know, 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.580 go there. You're going to do an interview. And then 0:33:11.620 --> 0:33:13.360 you go to the window. I was like, well, put 0:33:13.380 --> 0:33:14.580 the window. I was like, oh, the fans out there, 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:15.820 they've been there. I was like, I go to the window. 0:33:15.850 --> 0:33:17.590 They're like, no, no, you got to do an interview first. 0:33:17.870 --> 0:33:19.690 And then the second segment, after we go to a break, 0:33:19.790 --> 0:33:22.790 you'll go to the window. Now I blacked out and 0:33:22.810 --> 0:33:24.310 I just went straight to the window. And I could 0:33:24.330 --> 0:33:28.790 just hear all the producers like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 0:33:28.830 --> 0:33:29.390 He went to the window. 0:33:29.530 --> 0:33:29.850 Follow him. 0:33:29.870 --> 0:33:33.080 He went to the window. So maybe I was nervous. 0:33:33.100 --> 0:33:35.300 I don't even remember. But I I blocked out everything. 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:36.420 I just went straight to the window. I was like, 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.600 they've been here all day. I just want to say hi. 0:33:38.660 --> 0:33:40.100 It was always like the dream. And so I went 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.330 straight to the window and then I was supposed to 0:33:42.370 --> 0:33:45.430 perform in the studio. And I was like, OK, but 0:33:45.490 --> 0:33:47.550 all those people are down there. like now the studio 0:33:47.570 --> 0:33:50.010 obviously has like maybe 40 to 50 people in it. 0:33:50.100 --> 0:33:52.180 But I was like, but there's like, you know, thousands 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:55.070 of people down there and they've been here, like slept overnight, whatever. 0:33:55.090 --> 0:33:56.490 First thing in the morning, I was like, I want 0:33:56.510 --> 0:33:58.810 to perform down there. They're like, well, that's not how 0:33:58.850 --> 0:34:01.440 this show works. I was like, But they're down there. 0:34:01.500 --> 0:34:03.360 So they ended up figuring it out. And so the 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.280 first time I performed down there in the middle of 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.700 the crowd, they brought like a wire down and it 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:09.580 was just me and an acoustic guitar and a microphone. 0:34:09.620 --> 0:34:10.839 They brought it out in the middle of the crowd 0:34:10.860 --> 0:34:12.780 as I performed in Times Square with everybody. 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:18.920 So great. So great. I love that you basically, again, kindly, 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.970 but kept insisting, this is more who I am. To 0:34:23.010 --> 0:34:24.089 be down there with the people. 0:34:24.110 --> 0:34:24.850 Yeah, I want to be with them. 0:34:25.070 --> 0:34:26.529 I want to be with them. No offense to the 0:34:26.530 --> 0:34:30.090 40 or 50 people who probably are somebody's nieces and... nephews. 0:34:30.190 --> 0:34:32.370 And we did two songs. So I did one down 0:34:32.410 --> 0:34:34.130 there and then I did another one in the studio. 0:34:34.170 --> 0:34:38.009 So they still, and you were fair. Look at that. 0:34:38.550 --> 0:34:38.770 Yeah. 0:34:39.530 --> 0:34:43.049 Now, obviously the music industry is so different. Do you 0:34:43.110 --> 0:34:46.450 ever wonder what, like a young Ryan Cabrera, if you 0:34:46.489 --> 0:34:51.009 were starting out today in 2026, what would, with all 0:34:51.050 --> 0:34:54.940 this pressure of social media and you know, what do 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.440 you think you would enjoy having to rely on social 0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:58.860 media as much to get your career started? 0:34:59.320 --> 0:34:59.550 Never. 0:34:59.570 --> 0:35:03.390 It's just not, it's not, you know, like when we are, 0:35:03.930 --> 0:35:06.370 my thing was always write a great song. It was 0:35:06.390 --> 0:35:08.910 always the song first. And that's like what mattered to me. 0:35:09.410 --> 0:35:11.310 It was writing a song and then performing it live. 0:35:11.550 --> 0:35:13.280 And those were the two things that's all I really 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:16.880 cared about. So, you know, the social media aspect, I 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:18.419 love it. I think it's great. I'm glad that people 0:35:18.460 --> 0:35:20.640 get to, you know, kind of have a, you know, 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:24.480 an in maybe on people's lives. I don't know. It's 0:35:24.500 --> 0:35:27.380 just not for me. It's not my thing. Um, I mean, 0:35:27.390 --> 0:35:29.180 we have to do it cause it's a tool that 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:30.700 we can use. So I try not to look at 0:35:30.780 --> 0:35:33.020 it as like a, I have to do that, but 0:35:33.739 --> 0:35:35.680 we kind of have to, you know, I still, my 0:35:35.739 --> 0:35:38.960 mind is right. The best song perform it live. And 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:40.299 those are the things that I care about the most, 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.279 but I love having access to, to people. You know, 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.460 if I have, if you have an idea, you're being like, Hey, 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:46.860 what do you think about this? That's kind of cool 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.359 that you can just put it out there and people 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.410 instantly have it. Um, but I'm still kind of old school. 0:35:51.450 --> 0:35:53.950 I think it's sacred to just also have your life. 0:35:54.860 --> 0:35:57.839 And then also have your artist life and kind of 0:35:57.940 --> 0:36:00.219 put what you want out there. So I don't know. 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:01.919 I'm Natalie Imbruglia. I'm torn. 0:36:02.380 --> 0:36:02.840 You're torn. 0:36:03.340 --> 0:36:06.280 Yeah. But if I had to do that from jump, 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.120 I would never make it because I'm not a social 0:36:08.140 --> 0:36:09.980 media guy. Yeah, I barely even got on the Zoom. 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:13.660 Just kidding on this thing. It took me like five minutes. 0:36:15.469 --> 0:36:19.510 In a related note, if 2026 Ryan could tell fresh 0:36:19.610 --> 0:36:23.649 off the plane Ryan one thing. Mm-hmm. Like one piece 0:36:23.690 --> 0:36:27.910 of advice, you today giving 2001 you a piece of advice, 0:36:28.150 --> 0:36:28.670 what would it be? 0:36:33.670 --> 0:36:37.279 Lay off the hairspray. You're going to lose it one day. 0:36:37.300 --> 0:36:42.220 You've got great, I mean, you've got fantastic hair. 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.379 It's still kind of there, but I was just saying. 0:36:45.660 --> 0:36:49.040 Back then, you know, I don't know because I was 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.340 just so in the moment. You know, like just enjoying 0:36:52.380 --> 0:36:53.660 the time that it's hard to like. 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.560 That's so great that you were. 0:36:55.580 --> 0:37:00.000 Yeah, just be yourself. But I always was, you know, 0:37:00.340 --> 0:37:02.419 I enjoyed it. I was in the moment. I wasn't 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.950 looking toward. Well, maybe at some point because the pressure 0:37:06.010 --> 0:37:09.030 comes on you like, OK, what's next? What's next? What's next? 0:37:09.469 --> 0:37:11.040 What's the next hit? You got to turn this in. 0:37:11.050 --> 0:37:12.450 What are you going to do next? And it's like, 0:37:12.550 --> 0:37:16.169 all right, well. you know, you guys worry about what's next. 0:37:16.370 --> 0:37:18.430 I just want to be here. And that's it. And I, 0:37:18.590 --> 0:37:20.129 you know, I feel like I did actually a pretty 0:37:20.150 --> 0:37:22.660 good job of doing that, but still there's always in 0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:25.120 your mind of like, okay, now I have to write 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.239 another hit, you know, now I have to blah, blah, blah. 0:37:27.260 --> 0:37:31.860 So maybe a little less pressure of, of knowing that tomorrow, 0:37:31.900 --> 0:37:34.160 you're not going to think about all those things that 0:37:34.180 --> 0:37:35.660 you were thinking about the day before. So it's like, 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:39.560 all right, go, go back to that and just be there. 0:37:39.580 --> 0:37:43.649 I love that. We are not done, guys. Ryan stuck 0:37:43.690 --> 0:37:46.410 around for a little bonus episode to hear a listener's 0:37:46.489 --> 0:37:49.690 embarrassing story, which is a very good one, by the way. 0:37:50.050 --> 0:37:53.390 And that will be released this Friday exclusively on the 0:37:53.430 --> 0:37:57.170 dedicated Danielle Fishel Show's podcast feed. We also get a 0:37:57.210 --> 0:38:00.760 sneak peek about some new Ryan Cabrera music. So just 0:38:00.780 --> 0:38:02.819 search for my name wherever you get your podcasts and 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.860 make sure to subscribe so that you never miss another episode. 0:38:06.180 --> 0:38:06.399 Bye. 0:38:06.420 --> 0:38:09.120 Teen Beat is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:13.690 Danielle Fishel. Executive producers, Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive 0:38:13.730 --> 0:38:17.969 in charge of production, Danielle Romo. Producer and editor, Tara Subaksh. 0:38:18.350 --> 0:38:22.820 The theme song is by Mark Hoppus. 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