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It is a Monday, five minutes away. 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck is joining us RG three in the last hour. 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: Really wild Sunday. 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: You know, on the show, we said last week, we say, 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like much of a lineup for Sunday 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: and Sunday night, but strange things happen multiple overtime games, 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: and we do it every Monday. Now, I'll hold myself accountable. 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, and here 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: we go where Colin was right. Well, I've been saying 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: for weeks the Eagles are tempting fate. 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: It's not right. 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Saquon's falling off a cliff. You keep telling me Nick 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: Sirianni's a great coach, but the Philadelphia Eagles, something isn't working. 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: And to have twenty four straight unanswered points against a 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: rival is completely, absolutely unacceptable. 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: It's not the end of the world. 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: But don't tell me everything is fine and we'll just 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: keep figuring it out. Because I saw two years ago 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: a really good Eagles team circle the. 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: Drain where Colin was rawbed. 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: I thought Chip Kelly was a solid choice, lots of 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: experience to be an offensive coordinator for Pete Carroll College 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: and pro. The run game absolutely non existent. Now, the 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: O line not very good, but the Raiders continue to 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: look backwards through the rearview mirror Chip and Pete Carroll 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: and Gino Smith and. 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: I was wrong where Colin was right. 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean, but the JJ McCarthy thing, 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's even a backup. Three turnovers 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: in four yards in the second half. You could watch 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: how green Bay was coaching. You could tell look at 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: their game plan. Green Bay, it's like, we're just gonna 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: run it. We don't need to take any big swings here. 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: So the second half against Green Bay is I mean, 42 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: you can't just throw when you have all day and 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: you're leading. I mean, yesterday is NFL quarterback playing on 44 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: the road, trailing to a very good team and a 45 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: very good defense. Everybody kept telling me this is the 46 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: guy you got a draft and he was the only 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: quarterback in his class. I said, I don't see it. 48 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: I don't get it. I think I was. 49 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: Right on that where Colin was raw four years in. 50 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what USC is, but when they play 51 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: Notre Dame or an Oregon, the defense is below average 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: and the special teams are a wreck. 53 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just the reality is. 54 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: And the offense now feels like basically Malik Malachai Lemon, 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: McKay Lemon. 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: It's a one man offense. 57 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: They got a you know, they're down to walk ons 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: on the offensive line. They did not recruit Southern California 59 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: well enough the first three years. They spent a lot 60 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: of money on nil and not all of it. Well, 61 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think they're close. When you 62 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: have twenty seven carries and run for fifty two yards 63 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: in the biggest game in a couple of years, that's 64 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: not close. Oregon was missing their top three receivers, didn't 65 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: seem to bother them. 66 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: Ho's wrong Where Colin was right once. 67 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: Again, I said, Pittsburgh, look at their schedule. Steelers will 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: get hot early four and one, and now they're two 69 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: and three in their last five games. One of my 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: picks of the week was anti Steeler, Go Chicago. They 71 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: no longer lead the division. I mean, Baltimore's not even 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: playing well and in a month they've flown past them. 73 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: They're not creative, very rarely, very infrequently on offense. They 74 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: spend a forts on defense, and their defense isn't very good. 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: It's twenty eight right now. 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: This defense with the Steelers is the worst in franchise history. 77 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: That's how and it's the most expensive again, so they're 78 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: spending all the money, they're paying all the attention to defense. 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: It's still bad. Where Colin was right. 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: Once again, the Bills are to Josh Allen Reliant. Buffalo 81 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: is now one in four unless Josh Allen has three touchdowns. 82 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. 83 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, I don't like their offensive line. 84 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: They don't have a deep threat. 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: Again, Josh is creating more turnovers because he's pressing, he's forcing. 86 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 1: Good news for them is their run game. Run games 87 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: are valuable as the weather gets cold, so I do 88 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: think they're sort of built to go on a little 89 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: bit of a mini streak here at the end of 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: the season. But I've been preaching this for years. They're 91 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: not clever offensively, and they're just simply too reliant. 92 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: On Josh Allen. Where Colin was wrong. 93 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: Brent Venables has been a hit at Oklahoma and he's 94 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs before Lincoln Riley. What I like 95 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: about Oklahoma. They look like an SEC team. USC still 96 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a Big ten team. They lack toughness. Oklahoma, 97 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: you would have never known they were in the Big twelve. 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: They're tough, they're physical, They're good enough at quarterback. I 99 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: always judge coaches on their side of the ball. Venables, 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: this is his first head coaching job. That defense is money. 101 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: I have watched it disassemble Bama and again this weekend. 102 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: They don't even need an offense. That defense is so good, 103 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: it's very sec. 104 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: I was wrong. 105 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: I just didn't think Venables was going to succeed as 106 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: quickly as Lincoln Riley. 107 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: And I was wrong where Colin was right. 108 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: Oh, Brandon Staley, apparently the Niners, the stories. He's on 109 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: his way out. I never understand. I don't understand Kyle Shanahan, 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: his insistence to pay every wide receiver in the building. 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: They paid Debo. They paid Brandon Ayuk. He's rarely been available. 112 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: I mean again, pay Trent Williams, pay Kittle, Hey, Christian McCaffrey, 113 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: you gotta pay pay bron. But they're getting burned on 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: this and this relationship is soured and I never understood 115 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: the financial commitment. 116 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: He's talented. 117 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: I'll never deny that with Brandon Ayuk, but I didn't 118 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: get the money thrown at it where Colin was right 119 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: John Moran, NBA reporters love small, poor shooting athletic guards. 120 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: This weekend, he's never going to grow up. Another embarrassing moment. 121 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: He's now a bench player, talking trash. Last two years, 122 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: the Grizzlies are better defensively and offensively when John doesn't play. 123 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: And he was yapping again, this time to Klay Thompson, 124 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: who said this afterwards. 125 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: He's running his mouth for a long time, and it's 126 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 3: funny to run your mouth when you're on the bench. 127 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: It's kind of the story of his career so far. 128 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: Just leaving us once more. You need that in the NBA. 129 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: We need our best players to be out there, and 130 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: when you're a star, comes with a great responsibility and 131 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: I hate. 132 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 4: To see that called the waste. 133 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: There is more to being a star in the NBA 134 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: than having hops. It's about leadership and commitment and dedication 135 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: and galvanizing egos. John's never had that, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, 136 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: and now Matt Haflebeck is joining us off a weird 137 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: wild Sunday. On paper, it didn't look like much, but 138 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: it was nuts. I said this about Dallas. You know, 139 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: when Schodenheimer got hired, I thought, you know, they've succeeded 140 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: with Parcels and Jimmy Johnson. I don't know if it's 141 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: a strong choice, but there is something to be said 142 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: about I watched that offense, and some of it's just 143 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: the acquisition of George Pickens. But that's a joy, fun 144 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: aggressive they're running. They haven't run the ball, Matt in years. 145 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: Do I give Schottenheimer credit? 146 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: Is it Dak? 147 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I watch this offense. It feels like it 148 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: has more life today than it's had in years. Who 149 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: gets the credit in Dallas? 150 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of credit to go go go 151 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 5: around here. I think specifically talking about Schottenheimer though, just 152 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 5: the post game that reminded me of Pete Carroll post 153 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 5: game and remember shot he was Pete Carroll's offensive coordinator 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 5: for a little bit, so you have the continuity of 155 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 5: the offense. 156 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 6: He's Dak's guy. 157 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 5: He was in the quarterback room with Dak, you know, 158 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 5: for the last few years, so that doesn't change. 159 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 6: So Dak, I feel like. 160 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 5: It's taking a much bigger ownership role, of the leadership 161 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 5: role on this field, So on the field and also 162 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 5: on the sidelines, I'm sure off the field. And then 163 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 5: this team has been galvanized through unfortunately through some tragedy 164 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 5: this year, where you know, sometimes that can bring a 165 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: team together and all the bs and all the stuff 166 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 5: that you typically deal with in an NFL season of 167 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 5: fades away, like and that's not that important. 168 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 6: What is important. Let's be here for each other. 169 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 5: Let's cut it loose, let's have fun, Let's let's treat 170 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 5: every day like it's a blessing. And then you see 171 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 5: some of that like positivity out of Schottenheimer and the 172 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 5: coaching staff, the players, and it was fun to watch. 173 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 5: It was an incredible comeback and I think it's one 174 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 5: that'll have a huge impact on playoff implications this year. 175 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: So you know, it's interesting, Man, I understand this, and 176 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: I've always kind of defended teams who have a bad 177 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: second half. 178 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: You jump off to a huge. 179 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Lead and then all of a sudden, you know, you 180 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: go into the locker room and you're sitting there for 181 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and you lead by a couple of touchdowns. 182 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: I saw it with Seattle and Tennessee yesterday. It's just 183 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: hard to ignite the energy and the juice. But it 184 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: was only twenty one to seven, twenty four straight points 185 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: against Philadelphia. 186 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: Is that just they lost their edge or were their scheme? 187 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean, punt punt, punt, punt punt. I can point 188 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: fingers and blame. You've probably been into locker rooms where 189 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: you can't reignite the fire. 190 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: What did you see with Philly? 191 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 5: I don't I don't know that it's reignite the fire. 192 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 5: I think they just failed to be the more physical team. 193 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 5: Philly got bullied. You know this from when I was 194 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 5: growing up Dallas. Philly was like, this is the most 195 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 5: physical team wins this game. 196 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 6: It's a rivalry game. 197 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 5: Like here we go and Dallas just looked like the 198 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 5: more physical team up front. And then when you're up 199 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 5: twenty one nothing, that's the situation where. 200 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 6: Like, hey, you know that we're going to run it. 201 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 6: We're going to run it anyway. 202 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 5: Philly, honestly, by their own decision, didn't run the football. 203 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 6: And it wasn't like it was a stacked box. It 204 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 6: was too high, it was too safety deep. 205 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 5: Half the time, it was not just no Saquon, no 206 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 5: running game, no physicality. It just it was shocking. It 207 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 5: was really shocking. It was fun to watch if you're 208 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 5: rooting for Dallas. 209 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 6: It was exciting. They were a team playing like, hey, 210 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 6: let's got it. Loose is a huge game. 211 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 5: Philly didn't play that way in the second half. And 212 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 5: the identity piece for me is the weird thing. And 213 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 5: it's hard like when I was a quarterback and when 214 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 5: the coach will call play and this is a bread 215 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 5: and butter play for us, I know it's going to 216 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 5: get us like four or five yards and it's getting 217 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 5: one or two. And it's a little bit like frustrating 218 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 5: that you lose your confidence as a player. You might 219 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 5: lose your confidence as a play caller. I think they'll 220 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 5: have a chance to get it, get right, but they're there. 221 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 5: They got to be scratching their head right now. 222 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: So and this is uh. 223 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: I remember the Brady team in Tampa they had they 224 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: were seven and five and they take a buy and 225 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: they come out of it, and you're like, oh, okay, okay, 226 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: here we go. So you gotta be careful. Everybody looks 227 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: good in September and October. The rosters are healthy, the 228 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: weather's great. This is now rosters. I mean Bears yesterday, 229 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: I had no linebackers, and so I watched Kansas City 230 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: yesterday and I'm like, hey, maybe this is the impetus. 231 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: Maybe this is the game they're down twenty to nine. 232 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: Or when you watch Kansas City, do you see a 233 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: team where Chris Jones isn't quite as dominant, Travis Kelsey 234 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: getting older? Where are you? I mean, cause a little 235 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: bit I said this earlier. I watched Manny pakiaw win 236 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: a fight at forty. There's still a punch, there's still 237 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: something there, but I it doesn't quite feel like it's 238 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: just it doesn't feel like they've got that jet fuel, 239 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: that second or third gear. How do you view an 240 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: older team still got to punch? They don't feel like 241 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: a multiple playoff winning team to me. 242 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: They just don't do they to you? 243 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 5: Well, when you watch that game yesterday, you know the 244 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 5: Colts playing the Chiefs. You gotta put them away because 245 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 5: it is Patrick Mahomes. They do have speed, they do 246 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: have the best play caller of our generation and Andy Reid. 247 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: They do have guys on defense that can that can 248 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 5: wreck a game. So you got to put them away. 249 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 5: And that's what the Colts did not do, and you 250 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 5: got to learn how to do that. It's ah, it 251 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 5: is a thing like I would agree, like you don't 252 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: fear the Chiefs the way that you once feared them. 253 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 6: That's fair. 254 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 5: The teams around them are clearly better than they have 255 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 5: been in the past. So you know, is this a 256 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 5: team that makes the playoffs? I think they will, but 257 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 5: they might not make that. They might not even make 258 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 5: the playoffs. I mean, they're they're an inch away from 259 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 5: losing that game yesterday and really having a tough road. 260 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 5: I still think that they've got enough cachet or money 261 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 5: in the bank, reputation what they've done to write them off. 262 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 5: So the thing for them is, though, they're going to 263 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 5: have to go on the road and be road warriors 264 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 5: in playoffs. 265 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 266 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: So, listen, football has changed in my life. Offensive football quarterbacks. 267 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: Now people draft small quarterbacks and quarterbacks that are often 268 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: really really athletic that may have not even played quarterback 269 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: twenty thirty years ago. So I don't need every quarterback 270 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: to be Drew Brees sixty nine seventy percent completion like 271 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: Drake May. That feels like historically unique talent, like it 272 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: just this early that much. So I watched Caleb and 273 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, he misses some stuff, but then 274 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: I see that he's coachable. He doesn't take sacks. I've 275 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: argued for years, he's never thrown picks. He's durable as heck. 276 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: Maybe this just is what he is. You're getting he's 277 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: a cleanup hitter. He's not gonna bat three twenty. It's 278 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: not gonna be pretty. But man, does he have some 279 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: Cam Newton farm ish qualities to him? Or are you 280 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: still kind of waiting for to clean up some of 281 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: the stuff? Where are you today with him? 282 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? What'd you say? 283 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 6: He's a cleanup hitter? No? I think he's more of 284 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 6: a highlight maker. 285 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 5: Like he'll have a few plays where you're like, man, 286 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 5: that was incredible. Guy comes off the edge, you know, 287 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 5: the blitz. 288 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 6: He doesn't see it till late, then he sees it. 289 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 5: Then he makes a little whirlybird runs around and creates 290 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 5: a first down, and like, man, that was a highlight 291 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 5: reel play. 292 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 6: I guess for me where I would just say. 293 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 5: To him, just see the guy coming and just throw 294 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: your hot and then you know it's first down and 295 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 5: you're moving on. You don't have to be a hero, 296 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 5: you don't have to put the cape on. You have 297 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 5: a good team, you have a great offense. But no, 298 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 5: I think he deserves his credit. Like he has done 299 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 5: everything that we said that he needed to work on 300 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 5: last year. 301 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 6: He is doing it. 302 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 5: He is as sending, he is improving, He's doing all 303 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 5: those things. Not taking sacks is probably number one. Not 304 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 5: turning the ball over. He does a good job with that. 305 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 6: I guess where. 306 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 5: I'm not like putting him in the Hall of Fame 307 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 5: and fitting him for a gold jacket like you want 308 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 5: to do. I just don't think this Bears team has 309 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 5: played anybody quite yet. Now we will get to know 310 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 5: who this Bears team is because the five of their 311 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 5: next six games or whatever are against teams that are 312 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 5: way better than the teams that they beat. 313 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 6: They haven't beat great teams. But I'm not gonna hold 314 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 6: that against him. 315 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 5: He's a young player with a ton of talent who's 316 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 5: improved vastly from last year. I just I'm not putting 317 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 5: him in that same rare air yet as say a 318 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: Drake Man. I could be wrong, and I think this 319 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 5: is Ben Johnson has proven he is a great coach 320 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 5: and he is the guy if someone can take him 321 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 5: to that next level, I think Ben Johnson would be 322 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 5: the guy. 323 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: Okay, before I get to shador. 324 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford speaking of gold Jackets, Yes, I don't think 325 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: I've I mean Matt's I've always argued that if Matt 326 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: Stafford wins a second super Bowl, you're gonna look at 327 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: him and Aaron Rodgers. It's gonna be a lot harder 328 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: to say who was all time better if he gets 329 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: to a second super Bowl Because he was better early, 330 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: he was better in high school, in college, he's better late. 331 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: He is on now a heater of all heaters. I mean, 332 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,239 Speaker 1: I always love Matt, but he could be reckless. He's 333 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: got a big arm. But I mean he didn't get 334 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: fooled anymore. 335 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 7: Is it scheme? 336 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: Is it growth? Is it Davante? 337 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Matt, this is like Michael Jordan against the Blazers. 338 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: He's putting his hands up like it's like, I don't know, 339 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: I've never seen him play at this level. 340 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: Describe why he is so hot. 341 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 5: It's the fountain of youth. It reminds me of Tom Brady. 342 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 5: As this guy gets older, he gets better. Whatever he 343 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 5: did in that like immortal chamber there that they brought 344 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 5: to training to listen. The whole offseason we were talking 345 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 5: about training camp. We were talking about his bad back. 346 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 5: He can't even practice. He went out there trying to, 347 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 5: you know, run around and was like, oh man, this 348 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 5: does not look good. He's thirty seven years old. It 349 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 5: does not look good. 350 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 6: Whatever he did, whatever he is doing. 351 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 5: Last night in postgame he said, I would like to 352 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 5: thank the athletic trainers and all the people that have 353 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 5: helped me get back from this back injury. This is 354 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 5: the best football that he has played. This is the 355 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 5: best he has looked. He looks younger, he looks like 356 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 5: he's aging in reverse. His chemistry with DeVante is, you know, ridiculous. 357 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 5: Inside the five yard line, I've not seen any receiver 358 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 5: have more one or two yard touchdown passes. When the 359 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: defense knows it's coming, it's either a fade or a slant. 360 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 5: You know it's coming and what do they do? They 361 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 5: throw a fade or a slant for a touchdown. It's awesome. 362 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 5: It reminds me of when like Randy Moss was inside 363 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 5: the five. It's like you knew what was going to 364 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 5: happen and it was inevitable. That's kind of what those 365 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 5: two guys have been like inside the five. But no, 366 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 5: it's unexplainable. I mean literally, I did not think he 367 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 5: was and make it through the season with the injury. Now, 368 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 5: this is the youngest and freshest and best. I mean 369 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 5: even last night on the broadcast, Chris Collinsworth is saying, like, oh, 370 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 5: you see this guy. He's got he's like chiseled, he's 371 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 5: got abs. You know, we've been seeing him for years, 372 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 5: all this all whatever he's doing is working. 373 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's working. He looks amazing. 374 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So I first of all, I may be a 375 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: little high on my supply with Kleb, but I look 376 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: at Shador and I'm like, it's like a holiday flame. 377 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: You hang out for six weeks and then eventually Cleveland's 378 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: going to draft a quarterback and have a thirty year marriage. 379 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 2: With It's fun. I enjoyed watching it. 380 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he has great size or athletic ability 381 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: or a huge arm, But there is a looseness to him, 382 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: like he's not intimidated by it. His confidence doesn't ever flow. 383 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I was born for this, let's go play. 384 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: That is something. I mean, he's like, you know, it 385 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: could have easily. I never he's never tight. He makes mistakes. 386 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: I don't love all his judgment. He's never tight. And 387 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: I see quarterbacks like one in Minnesota that I feel 388 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: like he's lost his confidence. 389 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. 390 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: I just I watched it and I had a good time. 391 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: Should I take anything more? That's that was my take. 392 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: That was fun watch. Where did it land for you? 393 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 5: I mean, he's got an it factor, There's no doubt 394 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 5: about it. You know, much like Caleb, He's got an 395 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 5: it factor. 396 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 6: He's a he's a highlight reel type guy. I mean, 397 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 6: Cleveland's a team that's starving for great quarterback play. They 398 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 6: really are. 399 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 5: They're looking for someone to step up and take the job. 400 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 5: And it doesn't matter if this is a team that's 401 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 5: really led by the defense in the crazy, unbelievable year 402 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 5: that Miles Garrett is having, they're looking for someone on 403 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 5: offense to believe in and I think he gives them that. 404 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 5: At the same time, if you watch the entire game, 405 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 5: like you're showing now his first touchdown pass, I mean 406 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 5: it's a swing pass that you're great perimeter blocking and 407 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 5: a great run by the running back. You should never 408 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 5: apologize for those as a quarterback because it evens out. 409 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 5: But at the same time, like, let's let's pump the 410 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 5: brakes a little bit on on saying like, hey, this 411 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 5: is absolutely the guy. I would say, this should take 412 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 5: advantage of your opportunity. 413 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 6: That's exactly what it is. 414 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 5: And I would lose the excuses that you're already making, 415 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 5: like oh, I haven't had a full off season as 416 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 5: a starter. I've only had one week to prepare as 417 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 5: the starter. Dude, get rid of that, man, Just get 418 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 5: rid of that. 419 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 6: Just go out and ball and play and do what 420 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 6: you did yesterday. 421 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 5: And as your team's winning games, you're developing as a 422 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 5: young quarterback. That's what you should do. And he did 423 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 5: for the most part. But I would agree, it's a 424 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 5: lot of fun to watch him rooting for him. But 425 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 5: I just I guess I'm a little bit cautious too, 426 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 5: just like you are. 427 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: I have not ordered a gold jacket for Caleb. I've 428 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: measured him for. 429 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 5: It, Yes you have, and you did that when he 430 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 5: was in college. Actually, so I think you're just still 431 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 5: hedging your bet because hey man, I already said it 432 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 5: in college. 433 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 6: So I just I'll just keep it rolling. Just keep 434 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 6: it rolling. 435 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: Great senior, and happy Thanksgiving to your amazing family. 436 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 5: Great great football and Thanksgiving and on Friday, so looking 437 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 5: forward to that. 438 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: Matt Hasselbeck has been so good for us. I love 439 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: having him on the show. 440 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: It was Yeah, I mean the Chador thing, I just 441 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: it's it reminds me a little bit of the t 442 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: bow stuff. I'll talk about that later. But the difference 443 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: is I think Shador. I mean, if Gino can start, 444 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: Shador can start you. I I it's fine, but it's fun, 445 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: like if you're a bad team, at least be fun 446 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: to watch, like Cleveland was fun. 447 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 7: Yesterday, Colin. 448 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 4: Don't you think that essentially, the Browns don't know who 449 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 4: their quarterback is next year, so just play Shador. Start 450 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 4: him against the Niners. Find out what you got. You 451 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 4: saw Dylan Gabriel, he looks like a solid backup in 452 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 4: the NFL. Yes, you could be Chase Daniel. That's try 453 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 4: to fix in the league for ten years comes in occasionally. 454 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: I don't know if Schador is the guy. 455 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 7: I don't think he is, but I think we got 456 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 7: to find out. 457 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 4: Right Stefanski out here saying, well, we don't know who 458 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 4: the quarterback is next week. I don't think that's great 459 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 4: messaging because I will say this and hasweback hit it. 460 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: The team really likes Shador, Yeah, you see the sideline celebrations, completions. 461 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 7: So I think you gotta start him against him. 462 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 2: I think I I I think there's a likability to him. 463 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 2: He is. 464 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: He's so casual, you know, like something like Peyton Manning 465 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: was a teeth clencher. Well, he was really intense, which 466 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: which is great. That's why Peyton was great. He was 467 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: so committed. I mean, Schadour's the opposite. He's like, eh, 468 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm built for this, and you know I found it 469 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: two and eight versus two and eight, and I couldn't 470 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: take my eyes off. 471 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: Let's see if he's built for a Robert solid defense. 472 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: By the way, they can get no pressure on quarterbacks, 473 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: that's right, So he could have a clean pocket to 474 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: operate and we'll see. 475 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: I already took Cleveland next week. 476 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 7: Oh, they are at home and the line is coming 477 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 7: down a bit. 478 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: That was my second favorite bet of the week with 479 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: Chad at home against the Niners. 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I mean, hey, 497 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: this weekend, we got a great Sunday and it didn't 498 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: look good on paper Thanksgiving on. I mean, let's be honest, 499 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: some of these games are gonna get thirty five to 500 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: forty million people, maybe fifty These numbers are going to 501 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: be absolutely insane. 502 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: Can't wait, Jamack with a news Turn on the news. 503 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News. 504 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 4: Speaking of insane numbers. Jackson Smith Najigba Colin. This guy 505 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 4: is putting on a clinic in Seattle. He has now 506 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 4: set the record for Seattle Seahawks receiving yards in a 507 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 4: season and he's still only twelve games in. I mean, 508 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 4: what are performance? I mean, he torched the Titans. Everybody 509 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 4: knew that was gonna happen. Listen, JSN is on another 510 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 4: level right now. I think we've established he's having the 511 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 4: best season of any receiver in the league right now. 512 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 4: He's unguardable. The Titans, by the way, tried to match 513 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 4: him up with a safety on some deep routes, Like 514 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: what are we doing? Anyway, here's JSN talking about absolutely 515 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 4: frying this season. 516 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 6: So it means a lot. 517 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: You know, this organization, a great organization and great receivers 518 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 3: have you know, came through here. So honestly, I look 519 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: at it as it as a team Award honestly because 520 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: you know, without Sam and without the protection, without sheet 521 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 3: and coop, you know, you know this doesn't happen. And 522 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: you so I'm grateful. I'm thankful, blessed for my team, 523 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: blessed be a Seahawk. 524 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: I mean, how likable of that? I mean, how how 525 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: can you not love that guy? 526 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 4: Oh? I did not know that was his style. I 527 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 4: had to only see the video. Now did you know that? 528 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: So I had to look him up based on the outfit. 529 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: Where do you think he's from? 530 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 2: Texas? Yes? 531 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 7: Texas. 532 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 4: Now Nakadocius is the name of the town. And I'm like, 533 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 4: I know that Clint Dempsey, the former soccer star USA 534 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 4: Soccer Star, is from Nakadocius. Listen, I don't know how 535 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: he ended up at Ohio State from Texas. How does 536 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 4: he get out of the state? But this guy looks 537 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 4: like such a fine column. Look at the numbers. 538 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Well, what it tells you is when they let go 539 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: a DK Metcalf, everybody they knew they get the practice stuff. 540 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: We don't again, Ohio State, when I grew up, was 541 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: a linebacker factory. Ohio State is I don't think I've 542 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: ever seen a university that delivers, and they got They've 543 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: got him lined up for years to come that delivers. 544 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Give Ohio State credit. They're current, They're not living in 545 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: a linebacker you. They are deliver. These kids that come 546 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: out are just sensational. I grew up with Steve Largen, 547 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: who I thought is the most underrated professional athlete I 548 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: ever saw the fact that he's going to end up 549 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: with potentially twenty one hundred yards in the season. Now 550 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: it is more of a passing league, but I and 551 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 1: the eir thing that helps him. The Seahawks upgraded their 552 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: own line, so Donald has more time, and Donald loves 553 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: to throw the ball deep. Sam loves to show his 554 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: arm off. So he is just a remarkable the route tree, 555 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: the hands, the deep threat. He is a complete and 556 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: total five tool receiver. 557 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: He does everything well. 558 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 4: I mean, now, I know Ohio State University has a 559 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: pretty big game this week, I think right against Michigan. 560 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 4: I got a buddy who went to Ohio State. He 561 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 4: swears that their wide receiver, one of their wide receivers, 562 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 4: not Jare Mainsmith, is dinged up, so heate Tate is 563 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 4: digged up, so he's a little concerned about the game. Basically, 564 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 4: if you're coming out of Ohio State, you got a 565 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 4: draft the guy high right, just based on. 566 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: The Ohio State between the linebacker, the corner, the edge rusher. Hey, 567 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: the edge rusher, they got a linebacker. Ohio State probably 568 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: has five of the top twenty four twenty three players 569 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: in the draft. So this this Ohio State team, I'll 570 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: just say it. They're not losing the Michigan. You sure 571 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: they are not losing the Michigan And they're going to 572 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: be in a bad mood and if they can rub 573 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: it in, they will thirty thirteen Buckeyes. 574 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 7: Okay, well it's in Monday. Come on, pace yourself, Broteaz. 575 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the next story, and that 576 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 4: is uh oh, this is not pretty. The obviously the Raiders, 577 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 4: they're down bad right now. 578 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 7: Wolf. Remember former Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce. 579 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 4: He was very complimentary of Shadure Sanders ahead of his 580 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 4: first start, and ap was coaching the Raiders last year. 581 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 7: Listen to what Pierce said about Shaduur Sanders. 582 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 8: He was one of our top choices. If I'll just 583 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 8: stay there, there's no way he goes to fit. I'm 584 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 8: making that choice and the decision that we're drafted. Mark 585 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 8: Davis was on board with that. Our our organization was 586 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 8: on board. We believed in what we saw with shador 587 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 8: It saw them obviously with the situation. 588 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 6: I deal with the quarterbacks. But one thing about Sorda. 589 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 8: I think we see all the glints, the glamour, you know, 590 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 8: hitting the watch and what time it is and all 591 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 8: that is. 592 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: He's born for this, he is his. 593 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 8: Pedigree is that for moments of this magnitude. 594 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this. 595 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: His size is fine, his arm is fine, his movement's fine. 596 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: There's no reason why he can't start in the NFL. 597 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: Do I think he is upper crutch, No, but I 598 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: the bottom line is he's not small. He moves good enough, 599 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: He's got a good enough arm, he is accurate even 600 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: when he moves. There's there's I mean again, it's early, 601 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: but I think he has enough traits. I mean, Dylan 602 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 1: Gabriel is too small to be starting quarterback. I mean 603 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: Kyler Maurice, too inconsistent, Trevor Lawrence throws too many bad picks. 604 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: Schadur's got something. 605 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: There's something in the makeup of his personality that he 606 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: doesn't get. 607 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 7: All right, Okay, let's pump the brakes a little. 608 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: I know it. 609 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 7: You're excited. 610 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 4: It's thanksgiving to him out look at this you look 611 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 4: at the swing pass downs are naming Chadeur Sanders as 612 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 4: their starting quarterback. 613 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: According to chefte. 614 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously we called that last hour. He has to 615 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 4: start against Samfrey or you'll lose the locker room and 616 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 4: they'll run off Stefanski. I do want to say this, 617 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: so let's do the great I did this on my podcast. 618 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 4: I would grade Chedure. I'm not comparing him to anybody. 619 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 4: Just what I saw yesterday. 620 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 7: I gave him a B. 621 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: You know, on the A to F scale, Okay, A 622 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 4: would have been like three hundred yards. 623 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: I thought he was a good, solid B. 624 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 7: Right, So I mean people going overboard. He's the man. 625 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 7: He could be a starter. 626 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 4: We need to see way more than this Colin Okay, 627 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 4: like to throw on the on to bond the deep one. 628 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 7: That was like okay, but the Jerry Judy stuff was 629 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 7: wide open. Come on, let's hey. 630 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: My second best bet of the weekend is Cleveland plus 631 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: the points. 632 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: And I don't love Schanor. 633 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 4: But taking a rookie quarterback against Robert Salah's defense. 634 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Rock Perdy and it's cloudy. I'll take the browns. 635 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 4: Okay, Perdy, Perdy's gonna party and a company. They're hearing 636 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 4: all this noise from you. Okay, they know that you're 637 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 4: not a fan of Brock It's fine, yeah, Okay. Final story, Colin, 638 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 4: let's go to college football. Saturday was not great. I 639 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 4: was at a volleyball tournament all day, but apparently USC 640 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 4: fought hard against Oregon. 641 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 7: Sorry Oregon. 642 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: Oregon did get the cover nicely done afterward. Dan Lanning 643 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 4: was probably the highlight of the college football weekend. Took 644 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 4: a couple jabs at other conferences easy, sorry, taking their 645 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 4: week off and playing jokers. 646 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 9: This conference is a really good conferences competitive, right. We 647 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 9: didn't play Chattanooga State today, right like some other places. Right, 648 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 9: we competed, so you know that. Being said, it's tough 649 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 9: playing nine conference games. It's tough playing in this league, 650 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 9: and we got to take advantage playing a good team 651 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 9: today and attacking that Listen. 652 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: Oregon was missing its top three receivers, did not play 653 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: a clean game. That was a really choppy game, and 654 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: they dominated. Sorry, I mean I Oregon. 655 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 2: He got going now. 656 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: That was the best team in the country. Is Ohio 657 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: State after that. Honestly, I'm like in A Oklahoma, Georgia, Oregon, 658 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: A and M's overrated. I think A and M's overrated. 659 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: I think Oregon's the fourth or fifth. I think Oregon 660 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: can play with anybody except Ohio State. 661 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's probably six or seven uh huh teams in 662 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 4: the mix after Ohio State. I do want to say 663 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 4: about Dan Lanning, the more I hear from this guy. 664 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: You know, we're talking about it's a week coaching prospect 665 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 4: if you're an NFL team. Honestly, I'm going I'm going 666 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 4: Marcus Freeman and Dan Lanning. I'm at least putting in 667 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 4: a call. They're not leaving, I know, but I think 668 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 4: those guys from the sound, the vibes, everything about. 669 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: That, I don't understand. Why would you leave Oregon? 670 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 7: Well, we'll see. 671 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 6: I don't know what. 672 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 7: I don't know what he's like. Get him on the show. 673 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 7: Let's ask him what he's like. 674 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: I've had him on the show. Why would you leave Oregon? 675 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 4: Is his What if his wife is kind of over 676 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 4: the Northwest and wants to or sorry the yeah Northwest 677 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 4: and wants. 678 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 7: To go somewhere else. 679 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 4: What if they want to expect her family's from, so 680 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 4: we don't know what. Why do you want to leave 681 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 4: Los Angeles? 682 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: Hey, honey, twelve and a half million a year, he said, Okay, 683 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: if we stay here, I think the answer is yes, 684 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: that's just me, that's crazy me. 685 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 4: Well, I mean old missus getting old missus probably backing 686 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 4: up twelve and a half millions. 687 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: Given Bill Knight, O'll buy him a three million dollar 688 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: home uh in Bend, Oregon on the river, take care 689 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: of his family, private jets and recruiting, there's no reason 690 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: to leave Oregon. 691 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: I go with billionaires in the NFL. I think those 692 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 4: billionaires have private jets as well. 693 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 7: I'm not sure though, And. 694 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: They're all crazy. Phil Knight's not crazy. 695 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 7: That's a fair point, very fair point. 696 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Phil's not crazy. Thirty percent of the nfwners are crazy. 697 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: The other seventy percent are a bad loss away from 698 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: being crazy. 699 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 4: So basically, would you agree, though, if you are giants, 700 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 4: you gotta at least call Dan Lanning and Marcus Freeman. 701 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, they'll say no, but I want to at least. 702 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 4: Find out what they're about, because those guys are better 703 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 4: than any NFL assistance that I'm seeing out there right now. 704 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jmack with the news. Well that's the news, and 705 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by the heard Line News. 706 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, don't try to get happier than happy. Dan 707 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: Lanning's winning games. They can win a national championship. This 708 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: race to be happier than happy? Well, what about Lane Kiffin? 709 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: Oregon's a way better job than Old Miss. Oregon's a 710 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: Oregon's the best job on the West coast. Well, what 711 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: about Los Angeles? I mean it's I don't know, I've. 712 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: Watched the last ten years. 713 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: They keep get running out of coaches. Lane Kiffin had 714 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: an easier time winning at Old Miss than the USC. 715 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: All I know is Oregon's the best job in the 716 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: West Coast and it has been for a decade. So 717 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: and well Phil Knight's money, Well, that's the world we 718 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: live in. Phil Knight's vision, the facilities, the fans, it's 719 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: the loudest West Coast stadium. 720 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 6: Leave it. 721 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, if Andy Reid retired, ring ring, 722 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: it's the Hunt family. We got this quarterback name Mahomes. 723 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: Would you like to coach us? Okay, I'll go bed. 724 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 7: Cola and I just looked it up. 725 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: You're right. 726 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 4: Dan Lanning is from Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah, I went 727 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 4: to college in Missouri. Yes, you take that's your job. 728 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 7: That's the job. 729 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that one i'd take. 730 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 7: Coach Mahomes, I'm not going, no go down to Auburn. 731 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 4: Stop. 732 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of 733 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 2: The Herd weekdays in neon eastern nin am Pacific on 734 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 735 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 7: The greatest rivalry in sports is here. 736 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 4: Top rank defending national champion in Ohio State heads to 737 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 4: the Big House looking at Staph Michigan's four game. 738 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 7: Win streak in the game. 739 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 4: It all starts at nine am and with a special 740 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 4: three hour Big noon kickoffs live for man Arbor. Then 741 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 4: it's Michigan Ohio State at noon only on Fox Listen. 742 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 4: I know it's been a nice run for Michigan that 743 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 4: ends this weekend like Ohio State. I mean, I'm looking 744 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 4: at this too deep rvel Reees, Caleb Downs, tadat wide receiver. 745 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: They have an absolute identity. The quarterback doesn't make mistakes, 746 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: is I mean? Underwood is a remarkable freshman quarterback for Michigan, 747 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: and he'll make some plays with his feet. I like 748 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: Marsha on the perimeter. I actually like Michigan receivers more 749 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: than I have in the last several years. Ohio State's 750 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: got an identity, they got a chip on their shoulder. 751 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: They're ticked off from last year route Ohio State. So 752 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: you know it's I think the pregame show may end 753 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: up being better than the game. 754 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying. 755 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: And I think this Ohio State team, and you know, 756 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: Ohio State doesn't like me. They think I'm a negative 757 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: because I would hire Connor Stallions today. I think he's 758 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 1: the genius with all that iPhone scouting stuff is brilliant. 759 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: But this Ohio State team defensively dudes everywhere NFL windows 760 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: like that. They are just that defense. That's one of 761 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: the best defenses I've seen. That defense gives doesn't let 762 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: you breathe. So and now one thing that travels it 763 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 1: is not offense. I've seen great offenses go on the road. 764 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: When SAVING was at Bama, that defense traveled. Bama go 765 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: on the road and beat like a narket a bikers rally. 766 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: Babe, Okay, they would just roll over you. 767 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: Because that's when Bama ran the ball and Bama played defense. 768 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: I see offenses go on the road and shrivel up. 769 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: That Ohio State defense is a handful, and I mean 770 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: they just play with an intensity and an awareness. They're 771 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: incredibly coaches and Michigan's got a freshman quarterback. 772 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 4: Colin and Michigan staffer wants me to remind you last 773 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 4: year Ohio State was ranked second, playing at home. 774 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, lost and had lost to Oregon earlier. 775 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 2: Ohio State's running the table. 776 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 7: I'm not. This is just me conveying information. 777 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 2: I'm now whatever. Okay, here's the airth thing. 778 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: So you gotta be careful about this, don't when any 779 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: time you're judging a quarterback in college to the NFL. 780 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: One of the reasons I like mendozat Indiana is because 781 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the best online He is caring good players. Okay, 782 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: so when I watched Mahomes in college, or Josh Allen 783 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: or Big Ben or Aaron Rodgers at Cal, they were 784 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: caring average personnel. Okay, if you're just managing a great team, 785 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: like JJ McCarthy at Michigan, he was managing the team. 786 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: They played Penn State on the road. He didn't throw 787 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: a pass in the second half, so don't expect him 788 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: to be what he wasn't in college. I've always said, 789 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: don't you think it's weird? Shouldn't all Ohio State, Alabama, 790 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: Oklahoma quarterbacks crush? 791 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 2: They're five star, they go to college. It's linear. No, 792 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 2: it's not. 793 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: Look at all these quarterbacks that are great in the NFL, 794 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Cow Philip Rivers, NC State, Big Ben Miami 795 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: of Ohio. You ever noticed this? Where are all Texas 796 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: quarterbacks great? Because that's not a real life Vince Young 797 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: was surrounded by five star quarterbacks, Matt Liner, five star 798 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: left tackles, five star running backs. If you look at 799 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: the college quarterbacks that overwhelmingly crush in the NFL, go 800 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: back to the last fifty years. John Elway Stanford was 801 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: no good. He had to carry him. John Elway had 802 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: to carry st Andrew Luck. He wasn't surrounded by five 803 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: star guys at Stanford. You start looking around, I mean 804 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, say what you want, Duke Okay, So I 805 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: mean JJ McCarthy managed a loaded, stacked team with Jim Harbaugh. 806 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 2: That's not the NFL. 807 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: Now you're asking him, hey, step up to the plate, 808 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: throw thirty times. 809 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 2: You're not bill for it. 810 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: That's not what he is That's why I said I've 811 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: never seen it. Now you can say, well, Joe Burrow. 812 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow his junior year, Remember he transferred from the 813 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: Buckeye his junior year. Eh, and then he developed by 814 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: his last year. But I would say I love Ed Orgeron, 815 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: but Ed's not viewed as a schematic guru. He did 816 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: have to do some carrion that coaching staff was in trouble. 817 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: If Joe Burrow didn't win and Joe Burrow's schedule was unbelieved, 818 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: that's the hardest. That's the best team I've ever seen. 819 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean every game was big in the SEC. SEC 820 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,479 Speaker 1: was dominating college football, and Burrow was just carrying them 821 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: to late game wins. So I mean, twenty twenty three, 822 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: Michigan faced Penn State. They ran the ball thirty two 823 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: straight times. JJ McCarthy, I'm not crushing the kid. 824 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 2: He threw eight times. 825 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 1: So just don't expect people, if they have a certain 826 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: college life, to go into the real world in the 827 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: NFL and then demand they be something they've never proven 828 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: to be. He was a great manager of a stacked offense. 829 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: He was terrific. That was a great team. Deserve the Natty. 830 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: I rooted for him. It was a great story. But 831 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: in the NFL is a different ballget everybody said, oh, 832 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: Ty Simpson, they got four seconds to throw. He's got 833 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: five star wide receivers. You know, NFL is can you 834 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: throw in a pocket that's about as broad as my shoulders? 835 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean, Tom Brady. 836 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: Go look at many of Tom Brady's great throws in 837 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: the biggest spots against New York Giants teams in Super Bowls. 838 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: You got a little tiny pocket one thousand and one, 839 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: one thousand two, Get it out. I mean that's the NFL. 840 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: One thousand and one, one thousand two. 841 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 2: Gotta be out. In the NFL, the. 842 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: Difference between two point four seconds and two point eight 843 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: is a touchdown and getting your bell rung so well, 844 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, and there's a story today JJ McCarthy in 845 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: concussion protocol. 846 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 2: I root for the kid. He's been banged up a lot, 847 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 2: he's lost confidence. Nobody roots against kids. But I said this. 848 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 2: I said this to you know, when Tim Tebow came out. 849 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow would take a snap, Spurriers, Urban Meers, the coach. 850 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: He had like three NFL wide receivers, lollipop throw down 851 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: the sideline. All data throw Brona the NFL. The NFL 852 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: is what Shador went through at Colorado. Chaudeur was running 853 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: for his life. Shaduur knows what it's like to play 854 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: with a battle line. You're trailing, you have to throw 855 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: forty five. Give Shador credit his Colorado life. That's much 856 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: closer to playing for a bad NFL team. He's been 857 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,720 Speaker 1: running for his life for years