Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky and kooky. I'm
Speaker 1: really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gusted I gos Nandas please Hey boo, it's me
Speaker 1: Roz and welcome to Gusta by Roz Hernandez, the podcast
Speaker 1: where I like to talk to people that I like
Speaker 1: about the paranormal. I got to talk to you the
Speaker 1: hilarious actor, comedian and paranormal enthusiast Rob Hubel, who came
Speaker 1: with some stories, and we're gonna get to that in
Speaker 1: a moment. But first, here's a story from a listener
Speaker 1: named Emily. Emily writes, when I was sixteen, I had
Speaker 1: my first job at a candy store that was on
Speaker 1: the street level of a very old, closed hotel. This
Speaker 1: hotel is a historical landmark and is known to be haunted.
Speaker 1: I didn't believe in go, so I didn't think anything
Speaker 1: of it. One morning, I was opening the store by myself.
Speaker 1: I got there early to prepare for opening and locked
Speaker 1: the front door behind me. The bathroom was shared with
Speaker 1: the business next door, so there was a door that
Speaker 1: locked from each business that entered into a small room
Speaker 1: which then led to the bathroom. Okay, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: picture this. Before the store opened, I took my apron
Speaker 1: off and went peep. When I tried to get back
Speaker 1: into the store, the door was locked. I was locked
Speaker 1: in the tiny room between both businesses and the bathroom.
Speaker 1: I know I unlocked this door because I got myself
Speaker 1: in there. I know nobody else could have locked the
Speaker 1: door because I was in the store alone and I
Speaker 1: had locked the front door. The business that shared this
Speaker 1: restroom was a restaurant that wasn't going to be open
Speaker 1: for several hours. The next employee wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: at the candy store for several hours. I left my
Speaker 1: phone in my apron pocket, so I couldn't call for help.
Speaker 1: I was panicking, crying, trying the door, crying some more,
Speaker 1: trying the door again. It was fucking locked. I sat
Speaker 1: in there and cried for several minutes. I was so scared.
Speaker 1: Eventually I calmed myself down, stood up, took a deep breath,
Speaker 1: and tried the door again. This time it was unlocked.
Speaker 1: Did I just get pranked by a ghost? Did this
Speaker 1: happen because I would tell people I didn't believe in ghosts?
Speaker 1: Is this how the ghost was telling me, I'm here, bitch.
Speaker 1: After this, I believe in ghost and I never peed
Speaker 1: there again. Honestly, I would dehydrate myself on workdays so
Speaker 1: I could make it through a shift without peeing. On
Speaker 1: other occasions, my boyfriend and I heard footsteps running in
Speaker 1: the hallway of the closed hotel above the store. Other
Speaker 1: employees told me they had heard footsteps when they were
Speaker 1: working alone too. Emily, Oh, that's terrible when you have
Speaker 1: to go peepe. Every time I've stayed at a haunted hotel,
Speaker 1: I do the same thing. It's not good, but I
Speaker 1: like make sure I barely. I'll just have like a
Speaker 1: sip of water just to wet my mouth because there's
Speaker 1: no way I'm getting up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: I totally feel you well, Thank you, Emily. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: talk to Rob Hubel and with the show you guys.
Speaker 1: I am joined by Rob Hubel. Hello, Hi, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you're here. I'm actually a fan of yours and
Speaker 1: I've seen you a billion times and a billion things.
Speaker 2: That's so nice. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I think you're hilarious.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Transparent is one of my favorite TV shows of all time. Yeah, girl,
Speaker 1: and you were not that funny on it, but you
Speaker 1: were really good, and I was like, damn, okay.
Speaker 2: I know I had to kind of be sort of
Speaker 2: the bad guy. Yeah, I was the bad guy at
Speaker 2: the beginning, and then they kind of like had me
Speaker 2: come around a little bit. But that show was like,
Speaker 2: you know, really, I don't know, it was just like
Speaker 2: life changing, you know. I mean I got to meet
Speaker 2: so many great people and just to be included in
Speaker 2: that story was super fun. But just the whole process
Speaker 2: was amazing. I mean that's a different podcast, but I
Speaker 2: can tell you about that sometimes.
Speaker 1: Oh I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I brought you here today to talk about ghosts, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, which is also something that you have dabbled
Speaker 1: in as well.
Speaker 2: I dabble well, yeah, I always tell people, because I
Speaker 2: was telling you that I talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: ghosts every now and then on Twitch, and I kind
Speaker 2: of preface it with like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you don't know either, so shut up,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, yeah, people, some people
Speaker 2: are like, oh, no way, and I'm like, you don't
Speaker 2: fucking know. No one knows, so let's just talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is something that I deal with all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have this weekly podcast and then I
Speaker 1: do television show where I ghost hunt, and I'm constantly
Speaker 1: having people come to me looking for answers and very
Speaker 1: disappointed when I say I can't give you an answer
Speaker 1: to the unknown. Nuh, yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not Ghostbusters. It was Ghostbusters. That would be a.
Speaker 1: Movie exactly, a franchise, right, And like, I get it,
Speaker 1: because you know, you're always looking for authority, like we
Speaker 1: are just as humans looking for If we have, I
Speaker 1: don't know, a bone problem, we go to a doctor
Speaker 1: that specializes in that, like whatever we are, a law
Speaker 1: a problem, we go to a lawyer, like we we
Speaker 1: want that. But it's like, yeah, when you have an
Speaker 1: invisible person in your house, you will find people that'll
Speaker 1: tell you I'll get to the bottom of it, But
Speaker 1: I don't really know that you ever will, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I think more so it's about trying to manage it
Speaker 1: or you know, it's like I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: some kind of invisible force to make your life hell,
Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily know that. I could tell you
Speaker 1: one hundred percent this was a demon. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: demon lived in the in Hell in sixteen hundred and
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody can. I listen, I met ed
Speaker 2: and Lorraine Warren stop. Yeah, like a million years ago.
Speaker 2: We were shooting a ghost thing in New York and
Speaker 2: had them come on this thing and we interviewed them,
Speaker 2: and I can kind of tell, like off camera, like
Speaker 2: they don't really know exactly, you know, like they've done
Speaker 2: it a lot, Like they go to these things, but
Speaker 2: they don't really know what this thing is. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like everyone's just trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think you can do a bunch
Speaker 1: of study, Like a lot of people around the world
Speaker 1: for decades and decades have done studies, and you can
Speaker 1: look at their conclusions and sort of, you know, use
Speaker 1: those as theories to what it could be. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say definitively. I have to know about
Speaker 1: and Lorraine Warren. So what were you doing with them?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, very sexy couple, very very sexy couple.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, vera for Mega and Patrick Wilson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I met them in their older year and I
Speaker 2: think they probably have both passed away by now. They
Speaker 2: have yeah, I think I met them like fifteen twenty
Speaker 2: years ago. And before I did any comedy, I just
Speaker 2: worked in production, like on different shows in New York.
Speaker 2: I came up in New York in the comedy improv world,
Speaker 2: and so my day job was just working on different shows,
Speaker 2: like I worked on the Martha Stewart Show for a while,
Speaker 2: and I worked on The Daily Show. I worked for
Speaker 2: Michael Moore. So I just jumped around on a lot
Speaker 2: of different projects. And one of these production companies I
Speaker 2: worked for was doing a Halloween thing for AMC. You
Speaker 2: know how you know that channel AMC. They used to
Speaker 2: do this thing during Halloween where they would show thirty
Speaker 2: days of horror movies, and so they had like a
Speaker 2: host that would do intros and outros for all of
Speaker 2: these scary movies. And when I worked for them, we
Speaker 2: were shooting with Tim Burton and he was the host
Speaker 2: and he was introing all of these spooky movies, and
Speaker 2: so my job. They wanted to actually shoot in real
Speaker 2: houses or buildings that had had real paranormal activity. So
Speaker 2: they said, go out and find some places for us
Speaker 2: to shoot in New York or New Jersey or Connecticut.
Speaker 2: So fun, I was like, Yes, So I got to
Speaker 2: go and just location scout all of these places. So
Speaker 2: one summer, I just drove around in my car to
Speaker 2: all of these different places I was reading about on
Speaker 2: the internet, and I talked to like all these different
Speaker 2: homeowners and people that owned hotels and bed and breakfasts
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. So I was like a kid
Speaker 2: in a candy store. I was just like hearing their
Speaker 2: stories and getting freaked out. So we ended up shooting
Speaker 2: at a couple different places that the producers loved, and
Speaker 2: one of them was this farmhouse in New Jersey, out
Speaker 2: in New Jersey where this family had just been like
Speaker 2: terrorized by all this crazy stuff for years. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure that it's in a movie it's like the Amityville
Speaker 2: Horror but it wasn't the Amityville Horror house. It was
Speaker 2: a different house. So, long story short, we had the
Speaker 2: Warrens come out for a day and we interviewed them,
Speaker 2: and you know, they were like very old and frail,
Speaker 2: but lovely and nice but also spooky and kind of
Speaker 2: creepy but sexy but very sexy. So they were super nice,
Speaker 2: but I could tell like, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: you can just kind of tell like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: a business, like this is what they this is their thing.
Speaker 2: You know, they weren't like floating around in like a
Speaker 2: ghost car, and you know they were they they were,
Speaker 2: but they were they were super nice. But I had
Speaker 2: a crazy thing happened to me on the shoot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: at this house, this farmhouse, this family had just years
Speaker 2: of insane paranormal activity. And the wife told us a
Speaker 2: story how her husband was away and one night she
Speaker 2: like felt him climb into bed with her, and she
Speaker 2: kind of reached behind her in bed to sort of
Speaker 2: like feel her husband, and she just felt this hairy
Speaker 2: like wolf like there was like some sort of spirit
Speaker 2: thing next to her. There was like a some kind
Speaker 2: of demon or something. And the way she described it,
Speaker 2: she was like I could no longer talk. I just
Speaker 2: started growling and I was like what. But they had
Speaker 2: all these stories. She told me a story about she
Speaker 2: would regularly see this woman brushing her hair in the mirror,
Speaker 2: Like she would just watch this woman brush her hair
Speaker 2: in the mirror all the time. Her kids had crazy
Speaker 2: stories about like when they were teenagers being like pinned
Speaker 2: in their beds, like where they couldn't move, and then
Speaker 2: one of them like floated above their bed, and the
Speaker 2: kids were so freaked out that they came to the
Speaker 2: house as adults when we were there, because they were like,
Speaker 2: oh cool, a TV crew is shooting something. But they
Speaker 2: would not go in the house. And we were going
Speaker 2: in the house, but the kids would like they're like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, we don't go in that house anymore. And
Speaker 2: so as the day wore on, we finally went up
Speaker 2: to the attic where a lot of this ghost stuff
Speaker 2: had kind of happened. So we went up there and
Speaker 2: we're interviewing the man that owned the home, the dad,
Speaker 2: and he very casually says how on his property he
Speaker 2: found a ton of human skulls, basically a Native American
Speaker 2: burial ground that he had like dug up. It was like,
Speaker 2: you know the part of the movie where he'd be like, no,
Speaker 2: don't do that. So he was like collecting skulls, cleaning
Speaker 2: them off, and bringing them up to the attic. So
Speaker 2: he did that for a while, and then that just
Speaker 2: started all of this crazy stuff happening, you know. And
Speaker 2: so as he was telling this story, I was a
Speaker 2: production assistant on this thing, so I'm just like taking
Speaker 2: notes and writing down everything, and I was sitting cross
Speaker 2: legged on the floor right when he gets the part
Speaker 2: about like and then I found the skulls. I got
Speaker 2: this crazy sensation on the bottom of my feet as
Speaker 2: if I'd stepped on like a live electrical wire. So
Speaker 2: I screamed. I was like, ah, and I jumped up.
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything, I didn't hear anything. I just
Speaker 2: got zapped. And you know, I'm just a dumb PA
Speaker 2: on this shoot. So the director and everybody's looking at me, like,
Speaker 2: what are you screaming about? Now we have to do
Speaker 2: the start the interview again. I was like, I'm so sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: something just like zapped me. It was just a really
Speaker 2: weird thing. And you know, bad vibes all day in
Speaker 2: the house, super creepy old farmhouse. And then of course
Speaker 2: at the end of the day we shot there all day,
Speaker 2: it got dark and they were like, okay, we need
Speaker 2: to get an exterior shot of this house. So they
Speaker 2: set up all these lights outside shining up on the
Speaker 2: house to make it look super creepy. And they look
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh no, there's a light on up
Speaker 2: in the attic. Rob can you go and the.
Speaker 1: Dark house by yourself?
Speaker 2: By yourself and kill that light upstairs in the attic.
Speaker 2: And I was like, wait, what, I have to go
Speaker 2: back in this devil house by myself and turn out
Speaker 2: this light in the attic. I was like, sure, sure, guys,
Speaker 2: no problem. So I run back inside as fast as
Speaker 2: I can run. I run all the way up to
Speaker 2: the attic, turn off the light. Just a whole I like, literally,
Speaker 2: I'm just floating out of it, like just flying out
Speaker 2: of the house. I mean, more scared than I've ever
Speaker 2: been after, especially after I got zapped by a ghost.
Speaker 2: So that was my only sort of like physical thing
Speaker 2: that I've ever felt, you know where I thought like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was something. I don't know what that was. I
Speaker 2: wasn't standing on the floor, it couldn't have been anything
Speaker 2: I was standing on at my feet were you know, crossed.
Speaker 2: So something just zapped me. Right when this guy is
Speaker 2: talking about these human skulls that he collects, I can't
Speaker 2: explain it.
Speaker 1: That's some like when you're a production assistant on just
Speaker 1: not that kind of a show that goes to those
Speaker 1: places all the time, and then you're there like you're
Speaker 1: you're a human. So if you get zapped, you might scream,
Speaker 1: but I've worked with people that have worked on like
Speaker 1: a billion of these shows, and I've been like shooting
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden I see out of
Speaker 1: the corner of my eye them like swatting their leg
Speaker 1: or like doing something where I'm like, what's going on
Speaker 1: over there?
Speaker 2: That is so crazy? The show that you do? Are
Speaker 2: you guys like up all night?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well, so this show that i'm it's called Living for
Speaker 1: the Dad. It's on Hulu, and I'm with four other people,
Speaker 1: and the other four are way more like fine with
Speaker 1: all this stuff, Like I'm just I'm like you, if
Speaker 1: I get zapped, I'm gonna yell okay. And every place
Speaker 1: we would go, I would put us in haunted rooms
Speaker 1: and then we would have to sleep there all night,
Speaker 1: and I never I never slept. What I would do
Speaker 1: was I would wait until the sun came up, and
Speaker 1: then I would sleep for a couple of hours, but
Speaker 1: I would stay up all night. It was hell for me,
Speaker 1: especially because every single little thing I would hear. These
Speaker 1: are all old buildings, so if somebody flush is a toilet,
Speaker 1: it's like you hear it in the walls, and that
Speaker 1: would instantly make me the demon in the walls.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was listening to a different podcast about paranormal
Speaker 2: stuff recently, and someone was telling a story and they
Speaker 2: were like, so then the ghost, like you know, touched
Speaker 2: me and I jumped and I was terrified, but then
Speaker 2: I went back to sleep. I'm always like, how how
Speaker 2: are you going back to sleep?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I used to do a show called Children's Hospital, Yes,
Speaker 2: with Rob Cordery and Lake Bell and Meghan Malalley and
Speaker 2: a bunch of people, and so we every season shot
Speaker 2: here in La but we always had to find a
Speaker 2: new hospital to shoot in. You know, we would film
Speaker 2: in an old, abandoned hospital. One time we shot in
Speaker 2: the Scrubs hospital where they used to shoot Scrubs, and
Speaker 2: then that got torn down and made into apartments. So
Speaker 2: we had to find a new hospital. So we were
Speaker 2: always moving around to different old, spooky hospitals. And one
Speaker 2: season we were filming in this hospital and we were
Speaker 2: shooting at night. I remember in this wing of the
Speaker 2: hospital that I had not been in before. It was
Speaker 2: like way back in this other corner of the hospital
Speaker 2: that no one had been to. And so they called
Speaker 2: me to set, and so I'm walking to set and
Speaker 2: like looking at my lines, and I'm by myself, and
Speaker 2: I walked past this room and I heard all of
Speaker 2: these kids playing in this room, like I heard like
Speaker 2: talking and you know, just the sound of normal kids
Speaker 2: hanging out playing like you know, toys and ball bouncing
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Our show was called Children's Hospital.
Speaker 2: We had kids sometimes on the show, so I just assumed, Oh,
Speaker 2: that must be the holding room for the kids. So
Speaker 2: I kept going and I get to set and I said,
Speaker 2: what are we doing with all those kids? There's no
Speaker 2: it's like nighttime and there's no kids in this scene, Like,
Speaker 2: why are there kids still here? And everybody was like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? I said, I just walked
Speaker 2: past the room and I heard all these kids laughing
Speaker 2: and playing. And then about two minutes later, Malin Ackerman,
Speaker 2: who was also on the show, shows up and she
Speaker 2: was like, what was that room with all those kids?
Speaker 2: Like all those kids are playing around, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's what I said. I was like, there's no kids here,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And so I went back
Speaker 2: to the room that I walked past. I opened up
Speaker 2: the door and it was just a completely dilapidated, empty
Speaker 2: room where the ceiling had caved in from like water damage.
Speaker 2: Nothing in there, no furniture, the tiles on the floor
Speaker 2: were all buckled. I don't know what that was. I
Speaker 2: have no idea what that was. I heard it, Malin
Speaker 2: heard it. We talked about it. I have no clue.
Speaker 1: That is so creepy.
Speaker 2: Listen, I've spent a lot of time in old, spooky
Speaker 2: hospitals from doing that show.
Speaker 1: Was that the Linda Vista hospital.
Speaker 2: We shot at that hospital. Also that where this happened
Speaker 2: was not Linda Vista. I think this happened in the
Speaker 2: Scrubs hospital. Now it's apartments, but great, I'd love to
Speaker 2: live there. Oh yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Any hospital is going to be haunted, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter like dilapidated or current. There's gonna be some ghosts
Speaker 1: around there.
Speaker 2: Think about all of the people that have died and
Speaker 2: don't know that they're dead, or they you know, they
Speaker 2: were in some sort of trauma that you know, they
Speaker 2: weren't expecting to die. I mean, it just sort of
Speaker 2: the little bit that I understand about it, It seems like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a place where tons and tons of people
Speaker 2: have died over the years. There's going to be some
Speaker 2: sort of weird energy and stuff there.
Speaker 1: I love the thought, like you're making me think about
Speaker 1: your first story. There's a woman that combs her hair.
Speaker 1: There's children playing in this other story, and it's like
Speaker 1: we all see that kind of stuff every day whatever,
Speaker 1: But if it's not supposed to be there, and you know,
Speaker 1: disappears in front of your eyes, it's the scariest thing
Speaker 1: in the entire world. Children playing.
Speaker 2: I think kids are inherently creepy. The other night, the
Speaker 2: other night, I was watching TV and my daughter was
Speaker 2: asleep and I swear I heard like dad, and I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, honey, I thought she woke up. I
Speaker 2: went into her room to like look fast asleep, and
Speaker 2: I was like, gross, this is a gross little ghost person,
Speaker 2: you know. So kids are very scary anyway, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was really weird when when that happened.
Speaker 2: And I remember Rob Cordrey and I used to always
Speaker 2: talk to this one guy on the crew whose name
Speaker 2: was Artie. He was like a gaffer, like one of
Speaker 2: they that lays all the cable, all the electrical cables,
Speaker 2: you know, before you start filming, so the production has
Speaker 2: electricity and all that stuff. So he has to go
Speaker 2: in to the basement of the hospital and lay all
Speaker 2: of the electrical cables. This guy was like really shy,
Speaker 2: did not like to talk about this stuff at all.
Speaker 2: And eventually, you know, he was on our crew for years,
Speaker 2: and so somehow people figured out that I like spooky
Speaker 2: places and ghosts, and they're like, oh, you should talk
Speaker 2: to Artie. So I kind of like said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: someone said I should ask you about ghosts or whatever.
Speaker 2: And he was very not down to talk, but slowly
Speaker 2: I got him to like tell me what his deal was.
Speaker 2: And he said that he just grew up with the
Speaker 2: ability to basically see ghosts everywhere, like everywhere he goes
Speaker 2: where there is some sort of paranormal thing, he sees it.
Speaker 2: And he said that his mom also had this same thing,
Speaker 2: like she would walk into a church or an old
Speaker 2: building or something like and they would just see a
Speaker 2: person walk by that was not not living, you know.
Speaker 2: And so he said, you know, for years, he was
Speaker 2: freaked out. He thought he was crazy. He told his dad.
Speaker 2: His dad did not like this sort of shit. So
Speaker 2: he finally told his mom and his mom was like,
Speaker 2: I have the same thing, Like, oh my god. So
Speaker 2: they like connected over that. But anyway, so this guy's
Speaker 2: on our crew and is always having to get there early.
Speaker 2: He's the first one there and he's the last one
Speaker 2: there to take all these electrical cables out of the buildings.
Speaker 2: And so he would tell us about going down into
Speaker 2: the basements of the hospital because that's always where the
Speaker 2: morgue is. He would just tell me. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: so many days I go down there and I just
Speaker 2: see people walking by, And he said, the problem is
Speaker 2: for me if I acknowledge them, like if I look
Speaker 2: at them, they know that I can see them, and
Speaker 2: they start screaming at me, like trying to get my attention.
Speaker 2: So he's like, I have to basically like look at them,
Speaker 2: but not connect with them, like not make eye contact
Speaker 2: with him, because then they know that they can connect
Speaker 2: with me somehow. This is just a normal dude who
Speaker 2: was not at all eager to talk.
Speaker 1: About this stuff that seems legit to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just like, look, man, he was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is. I don't like it,
Speaker 2: but this is what I see. And a lot of
Speaker 2: the places where we are in these old hospitals.
Speaker 1: You know, probably my favorite kind of ghost story is
Speaker 1: like could it be that to those people and their reality.
Speaker 1: They're like sometimes we see this like he seems like
Speaker 1: he's a light gaffer, you know, like a tvation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I totally think that. Like sometimes I wonder
Speaker 2: if this is all just almost like physics, Like it's
Speaker 2: more like timelines, and these timelines just kind of get crossed,
Speaker 2: you know, at certain points, and then you just sort
Speaker 2: of see a remnant from way back. I don't know
Speaker 2: why we don't see stuff from the future, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, we might, you know, yeah knows, maybe even aliens
Speaker 1: are us from the future. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I totally think that. I mean that's a different topic,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's sort of my theory about aliens, like, oh,
Speaker 2: well that's us, right, that's just us in the future
Speaker 2: coming back and being like, what are you guys doing?
Speaker 2: Don't build that nuclear reactor, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm open to anything, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if it's a time travel thing or what it is.
Speaker 1: But I definitely know that they are so much more
Speaker 1: advanced than us. You know, they they figured out technology
Speaker 1: that we don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see like dumb aliens, you know, you
Speaker 2: don't see aliens you know, you never see an alien
Speaker 2: on a bicycle, you know.
Speaker 1: No, you really don't see dumb ones. And that's why,
Speaker 1: like I feel like they've crashed in the past, like
Speaker 1: in Roswell and stuff, and they're like, Okay, listen, guys,
Speaker 1: this is embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the one dumb guy. They're like, Reggie,
Speaker 2: Reggie fucked up, Reggie crashed the ship.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I think the take it really seriously
Speaker 1: at this point. So when you go live on Twitch,
Speaker 1: tell me, like the best story that you know kept
Speaker 1: you up that night.
Speaker 2: So a couple of the best ones that I've had.
Speaker 2: One was a girl told me a story that when
Speaker 2: she was little, she was playing in her room and
Speaker 2: she was under her bed and she looked and she
Speaker 2: saw a pair of bare feet walk into her room.
Speaker 2: And she looked out from under the bed and it
Speaker 2: was her grandmother, and her grandmother smiled at her, and
Speaker 2: she smiled back at her grandmother, and then her grandmother
Speaker 2: walked out of the room, and so she got up
Speaker 2: from under the bed and ran downstairs to ask her mom, like,
Speaker 2: what is grandma doing here? And her mom was crying,
Speaker 2: and her mom had just gotten off the phone that
Speaker 2: the grandmother had just died. So the girl was like,
Speaker 2: I literally just saw her. She was just in the
Speaker 2: house like two seconds, you know. I mean she was
Speaker 2: like a little kid, but she's expled mom, Like, no,
Speaker 2: she's she didn't die, like I just saw her. And
Speaker 2: so that freaked me out, you know, because that just
Speaker 2: seems like something that could happen, right, Like, I.
Speaker 1: Hear a lot of those like visitations right before and
Speaker 1: then you get the phone call. Yeah, I totally buy it.
Speaker 2: I had another one where this person sent me a video,
Speaker 2: and I should preface this with I could never get
Speaker 2: the girls on the show because the guy had lost
Speaker 2: touch with them. But he had a video of these girls,
Speaker 2: and this guy told me the story. But it was
Speaker 2: two girls. They're like drinking before they go out that
Speaker 2: night in Chicago, and they had just moved into this
Speaker 2: new apartment, new to them, but an old apartment in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and they're playing this drinking game where they have a
Speaker 2: little ring on a string and they were swinging it
Speaker 2: to try to latch it onto this little hook that
Speaker 2: I don't know what the game is, but there was
Speaker 2: like a little hook on the wall. And then at
Speaker 2: one point in this hallway right behind where this hook is.
Speaker 2: You just see a young girl in a pink bathroom
Speaker 2: walk by and then immediately walk the other way. You
Speaker 2: just see like a kid in a pink, old timy
Speaker 2: bathrobe and they just walk by for about a second,
Speaker 2: maybe like a split second. I've paused in a million times,
Speaker 2: so you can clearly see hair feet aren't like it's
Speaker 2: so crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the one that I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1: But there's this one that people send me all the time.
Speaker 1: Maybe you've seen it. I've had people on the show
Speaker 1: where it is two young ladies and they're in an apartment.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what they're doing though, And then you
Speaker 1: see somebody walk through a hallway. You see like a
Speaker 1: lady walking through the hallway.
Speaker 2: It sounds familiar, it sounds like this. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: one of.
Speaker 1: These things where it keeps happening where people are like,
Speaker 1: my friend knows this person, and then I'm like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute.
Speaker 2: That's the hardest part about all this is like, wait
Speaker 2: a second, is this are you just retelling a retelling
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: Which is honestly still fun.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 1: I'm down for that anytime.
Speaker 2: It is fun.
Speaker 1: It's just like an old school GABA telephone.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Here's another one that
Speaker 2: happened on my Twitch show to me and this other person.
Speaker 2: She was in I think Portland, and she lived in
Speaker 2: this apartment for a while, and she said that she
Speaker 2: had this ghost in her apartment and she kind of
Speaker 2: jokingly called him Kevin. It was close to Halloween when
Speaker 2: I was doing this show, and she had this little
Speaker 2: toy skull behind her on like a bedside table. So
Speaker 2: right when she said Kevin the first time, this skull
Speaker 2: just like fell off her table, and you know whatever,
Speaker 2: no big deal. I was like, whoa, you know. I
Speaker 2: tried to be funny about it and make a big
Speaker 2: deal about did you see what happened? She was like
Speaker 2: what happened? I was like, the skull just fell off
Speaker 2: your bedside table right when you said the name of
Speaker 2: the ghost. So we just laughed. She keeps talking, talking,
Speaker 2: tell me the story and all these different times that
Speaker 2: she's seen this ghost of this guy in her apartment.
Speaker 2: As she goes on, she says his name again, she
Speaker 2: says Kevin. All of a sudden, her eyes get huge
Speaker 2: and she screams, it's something like off camera, like, you know,
Speaker 2: beyond her laptop, and I was like, what happened? And
Speaker 2: she's like, oh no, And she took her laptop and
Speaker 2: swung around. And I had heard this noise, but I
Speaker 2: didn't know what the noise was. These paintings in her
Speaker 2: room had flown off the wall and flown like a
Speaker 2: few feet like across the room. What and we're ripped,
Speaker 2: like like sliced in the middle. And so she brought
Speaker 2: her laptop over, you know, was filming it. She was like,
Speaker 2: look what just happened? And I was like what. She
Speaker 2: was like, these paintings just like flew off the wall
Speaker 2: and like they're ripped, and so I was like what
Speaker 2: the fuck? I was like, that happened as we were talking,
Speaker 2: you know, So could she have faked all of that? Yes,
Speaker 2: she could have been pulling my legs. She could have
Speaker 2: set that up. But I talk to this person for
Speaker 2: a long time, emailed her afterwards, and had her come
Speaker 2: on the show a couple months later to get an update,
Speaker 2: and she seems totally normal, not like she's trying to
Speaker 2: get on the internet. And you know, it was just
Speaker 2: a crazy, insane thing that happened as I was talking
Speaker 2: to her.
Speaker 1: If something like that really paranormal does happen is captured
Speaker 1: on film, you will never ever ever have something that
Speaker 1: doesn't make a ton of people go that's fake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So even if it is the most real thing ever,
Speaker 1: it's just part of it to be skeptical and to
Speaker 1: not believe it or whatever. And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: love it. I think it's so fun, it's so wild.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had I had this woman come on
Speaker 2: the show and she told me a story about she
Speaker 2: and her friend snuck into this old church at night
Speaker 2: and it was dark and they were just taking pictures
Speaker 2: and they were like hanging out in this old church.
Speaker 2: And so she sent me the pictures and you can
Speaker 2: see in one of the pictures a face next to
Speaker 2: her of like an old man, And of course that
Speaker 2: could be fake. I don't know her. She may have
Speaker 2: faked that, but I don't know. I'm not paying her,
Speaker 2: like she's not making any money to come on my
Speaker 2: dumb thing and tell me about that. Another girl was
Speaker 2: telling me about they used to see a ghost outside
Speaker 2: of her bedroom window, and she said that she she'd
Speaker 2: seen it a bunch, so she just had her camera
Speaker 2: all the time, and so she took a picture same thing.
Speaker 2: You can clearly see like this outline of a woman
Speaker 2: out right outside her bedroom window. Yes, it could be photoshop,
Speaker 2: it could totally be fake, but it looked like an
Speaker 2: outline of a woman. You'll never be able to convince everybody.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's really the point. I think
Speaker 2: it's more like there's something because so many people have
Speaker 2: these stories, you know what I mean, Like when you
Speaker 2: start talking to people, everyone has maybe not a firsthand story,
Speaker 2: but everyone knows someone that has a crazy story about
Speaker 2: this stuff. Yeah, that to me makes it, you know,
Speaker 2: as real as it can be.
Speaker 1: And every culture around the world for generations and generations
Speaker 1: have these kinds of stories. So I'm like, there's something
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: I mean, the way the Warrens explained it to me
Speaker 2: was that, and I'm sure you've heard this is like
Speaker 2: there's kind of two different things. There are people that
Speaker 2: are sort of stuck between places. They don't know what
Speaker 2: happened to them. Maybe they died suddenly or in a
Speaker 2: traumatic way, they weren't ready to go. It was just
Speaker 2: like lights out all of a sudden. They're like, but wait, wait, wait, yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's that they were saying, but then there's also
Speaker 2: like demons and stuff like that, so you know, who
Speaker 2: knows how it breaks down, but it's all spooky.
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes they end up going instead of a doll
Speaker 1: that ends up being sold on eBay dot com. Oh god,
Speaker 1: can I show you a haunted eBay doll?
Speaker 2: How often does that happen?
Speaker 1: Thousands of times a day on eBay? Trust me, it's
Speaker 1: time for as I call the dolls are living? Okay, jiha,
Speaker 1: can you show us this doll? This is Mel No no,
Speaker 1: Mal is currently going for forty dollars on eBay. So Mel,
Speaker 1: she looks teeny tiny her, she's definitely from the neck up,
Speaker 1: she's giving missus class very like Mal, Missus Claus.
Speaker 2: The white hair, she's got the little brooch, yeah.
Speaker 1: But whatever, those like bonnet kind of roughly hats like
Speaker 1: Missus Claus wears. From the neck down, she's sort of
Speaker 1: like one of those people that works in a gift
Speaker 1: shop at like an historic Victorian house. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: plaid skirt, brooch, yeah, Victorian kind of shirt.
Speaker 2: Sad eyes, very sad leaning pleading with us.
Speaker 1: So you're not familiar with this world of haunted eBay dolls?
Speaker 2: Mmmm? I would like to be okay, allow me.
Speaker 1: They often come with biographies. The theory is when you die,
Speaker 1: you can go to heaven, you can go to Hell,
Speaker 1: or you can go to Mel the Haunted Ebeydal. Basically,
Speaker 1: so a living person has somehow died and found themselves
Speaker 1: inside of Mel and now they're forty dollars. So let
Speaker 1: me just give you a little bit of what Mel's
Speaker 1: bio says. Mel tried to make me believe that she
Speaker 1: was a thirty four year old female who passed away
Speaker 1: after her daughter locked her in a room. In reality,
Speaker 1: she was in her fifties or sixties and locked her
Speaker 1: adult daughter in a room. She starved her daughter and
Speaker 1: wouldn't give her anything to drink. She also says something
Speaker 1: about gas when she finally started to be honest. Sounds
Speaker 1: like these two have been through a lot.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I also asked other spirits around who told me the
Speaker 1: true story behind this? Okay, she was jealous of her
Speaker 1: daughter for some reason. Terrible person. I do not know
Speaker 1: how she passed away, but it was in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere where she head out. Her presence is very uneasy.
Speaker 1: She paces back and forth and you can hear her
Speaker 1: walking behind you, especially if you have creaky floor boards.
Speaker 1: Do not have her anywhere near children. She is extremely active.
Speaker 1: I've seen her shadow, I felt her breath. So basically,
Speaker 1: you can't trust Mel and the other spirits around confirmed
Speaker 1: they I love the ghost gossip, like, don't listen to Mel,
Speaker 1: she lies.
Speaker 2: So this is actually for sale on eBay forty dollars.
Speaker 2: But why would I want this if you're telling me
Speaker 2: up front this is gonna do bad things to me
Speaker 2: and my family and my house and my children, Like,
Speaker 2: do I want to pay for that?
Speaker 1: It says you may hear of her laugh in other rooms,
Speaker 1: which is a very scary and most witchy type laugh.
Speaker 1: I love a laugh. Ye know, maybe there's people amateur comedians.
Speaker 1: It's better than going too an open mic. You can
Speaker 1: just have a doll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just do your stand up in front of this
Speaker 2: creepy doll. Yeah. I'm also concerned about in this photo.
Speaker 2: You know, there are some clues also about the owners.
Speaker 2: This doll is on a very dirty carpet, and you
Speaker 2: can see the carpet is like riding up the moldiest
Speaker 2: wall I've ever seen. This doll has been through a lot.
Speaker 1: I so appreciate you noticing that stuff, because that's me
Speaker 1: on dating apps, I'd barely look at the person. I'm
Speaker 1: looking around everything else.
Speaker 2: I do that when I watch like MSNBC, and I'm
Speaker 2: like looking in the person's living room for clues about
Speaker 2: you know, who is this guy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What are the books back there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? This guy's a murderer.
Speaker 1: Can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Yes? Right, it is time for ev.
Speaker 1: Or ev pase that is.
Speaker 2: That is the best name of a segment ever.
Speaker 1: Thank you. What I do is I go to YouTube
Speaker 1: dot com. I find the best electronic voice phenomenon.
Speaker 2: I can find.
Speaker 1: Alleged recordings of ghosts speaking, and I'm going to play
Speaker 1: two of them for you. I want you to tell
Speaker 1: me what the ghost is saying or what you hear,
Speaker 1: and then I'll give you an ABCD options of what
Speaker 1: the person that posted at believes the ghost is sign.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. I'm so excited for this.
Speaker 1: So this first one is from Paul Terry and it's
Speaker 1: at Saint Albans Sanatorium in Radford, Virginia. I feel like
Speaker 1: I may have had this one on the show before,
Speaker 1: but whatever, it's a good one. Here we go. What
Speaker 1: is this ghost saying? Did you hear it?
Speaker 2: I'll do it one more time. Okay, come on, come on, wait,
Speaker 2: let me play it again.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is not what Paul Terry thought it said.
Speaker 1: Did Paul Terry think it was a oh crap, b
Speaker 1: don't come back? Cee? Look around or d follow me?
Speaker 1: Maybe as an aspiring influencer, you here one more time.
Speaker 2: Well, from what I know about Paul Terry, great guy.
Speaker 2: Paul is so such a great guy. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: Paul Terry thinks it's oh crap.
Speaker 1: Paul believes that it is saying don't come back, which
Speaker 1: I do here, but I also kind of hear oh crap. Wait, okay,
Speaker 1: let's play a gum or look around. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one, Paul.
Speaker 1: You definitely caught something. I don't know what it says,
Speaker 1: but it's great. Here's one more. This one is from
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel called walk in after Midnight. It's at
Speaker 1: the Old Washo Club, which is a haunted place in
Speaker 1: Virginia City, Nevada, which is a very spooky western, you know,
Speaker 1: old Western kind of ghost towny area. What is this ghost?
Speaker 1: There's some other noises in the background. Let me play
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: Tough one, you do it one more time? Yeah, something
Speaker 2: like two chicks from Hell. Totally two chicks from Hell.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not what Walking after Midnight thought. Did they
Speaker 1: think it was a you can't smoke in heaven? B
Speaker 1: you can't slow the devil? C you came, you saw
Speaker 1: you left? Or d you came to seven eleven? All right,
Speaker 1: let me play it again.
Speaker 2: They thought it was the first one about you can't
Speaker 2: something in hell? What was it you said?
Speaker 1: It was you can't smoke in heaven. That is what
Speaker 1: Walking after Midnight thought. It said you can't smoke in heaven, and.
Speaker 2: Honestly, probably true.
Speaker 1: Let's play it again. Now. What's interesting is before that
Speaker 1: voice speaks, the ghost hunter says something about so I
Speaker 1: think they said something about like Virginia slims or something
Speaker 1: about cigarettes, and then the ghost says, you can't smoke
Speaker 1: in heaven.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I got married ten years ago, nine years ago,
Speaker 2: and for my bachelor party, my friend Paul sheer knew
Speaker 2: that I love ghost stuff, and so he's such a
Speaker 2: nice person he hired two ghost hunters to come to
Speaker 2: my bachelor party. They were no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: this is just you know, I rented a house up
Speaker 2: in Ohi and just invited a lot of my friends
Speaker 2: just to come up and grill out and swim in
Speaker 2: the pool, you know. And so at night these two
Speaker 2: women show up, these like older women, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what is happening, Like my fear was that it was
Speaker 2: going to be strippers. I was like, I don't, I
Speaker 2: do not, I don't want that. And he's like, no,
Speaker 2: these are ghosts. They're like the Ohai ghost Hunters or something.
Speaker 2: And so these these two women were so sincere and
Speaker 2: nice about it, Like you can imagine how difficult that
Speaker 2: is to walk into a bachelor party. I mean we
Speaker 2: were not no one was out of control, but you know,
Speaker 2: people were drinking and smoking weed and doing mushrooms and
Speaker 2: you know. So these two women come in and they
Speaker 2: kind of gather everyone around and they tell everyone that
Speaker 2: we're going to go all over this old house in Ohi,
Speaker 2: and they gave everybody EVP recorders, like the little recording devices.
Speaker 2: So I'm into it, like shears into it. A few
Speaker 2: other guys like, yeah, this is gonna be great. A
Speaker 2: lot of the other people like outside doing stuff and
Speaker 2: you know, hanging out listening to music or whatever, So
Speaker 2: not the most scientific thing. So we walk around for
Speaker 2: like an hour with these very nice women and we're
Speaker 2: recording stuff and who knows if we're getting anything at all,
Speaker 2: So I kind of forget about it, you know, it
Speaker 2: was just fun and nice. A month goes by, I
Speaker 2: get an email from the Ohi ghost Hunters. They're like,
Speaker 2: we have to meet. We have to talk to you.
Speaker 2: We have to go over the evidence. And I was like,
Speaker 2: what what evidence? What are you talking about? And they're like,
Speaker 2: we have some remarkable EVPs that we have to go
Speaker 2: over with you. So they drove. They were so nice.
Speaker 2: They drove from Ohi down to La met Me and
Speaker 2: sho this production place where we were working, and they
Speaker 2: had transcribed all of these EVPs with what the noise
Speaker 2: we were hearing and what they thought it was saying.
Speaker 2: We sat with him for like an hour and they
Speaker 2: would go, okay, how about this next one? And they
Speaker 2: would play it for us and you would hear like,
Speaker 2: hey man, pass me the budweiser, and you know, they'd
Speaker 2: be like, what about that, Pass me the Budweiser. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's actually Rob Riggle. He's outside
Speaker 2: and he was asking someone for a Budweiser. You know,
Speaker 2: it was just over and over and over. It was like, okay,
Speaker 2: but now you can hear an old man asking for
Speaker 2: someone to let him out of the basement, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's Brian Husky. He was on mushrooms
Speaker 2: and he got locked in the basement. So that's what
Speaker 2: you hear, you know, But it was just that it
Speaker 2: was me and Sheer debunking all of these EVPs with
Speaker 2: these very nice, very sincere ghost hunters. So if you
Speaker 2: ever get a chance.
Speaker 1: I love that story.
Speaker 2: It's so hard. It's really hard to tell what it is.
Speaker 2: But every now and then I hear stuff not from
Speaker 2: my bachelor party, but stuff like what you just played me,
Speaker 2: And I'm like that that sounds like something.
Speaker 1: It's something I think, I don't know something. It might
Speaker 1: be Rob Wriggle. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: Could be Rob Wriggle.
Speaker 1: He might have been at the Old Was Show Club
Speaker 1: in Virginia City that day.
Speaker 2: He probably was, Well, this has.
Speaker 1: Been a can you tell us all where to find
Speaker 1: you and what you want us to know about Roz?
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. What a joy to talk
Speaker 2: to a fellow ghost enthusiast. I'm just you know, at
Speaker 2: Rob Hubel on everything, mostly Instagram, and you know, I
Speaker 2: just jump around on different TV shows and sometimes a movie.
Speaker 2: But I did a spooky thing last year called Goosebumps.
Speaker 2: It's a Disney Plus show. Cool.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for doing this.
Speaker 2: So lovely to meet you, and I hope that we
Speaker 2: cross paths.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Rob Hubel. I love you all,
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you
Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me came back. This has
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Speaker 1: sometimes I'll even call you, So email me at ghosted
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Speaker 1: is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming
Speaker 1: Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed by
Speaker 1: the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying
Speaker 1: Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah
Speaker 1: Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by the spine Chilling
Speaker 1: Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lila, Photography
Speaker 1: by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling
Speaker 1: Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start, and the Frightening
Speaker 1: Danielle Kramer.