1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: name is Nolan. They called me Ben, and you will 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: hopefully having yourself. It may not be the name that 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: you reveal to people, because names have power, and as 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: we will see in this episode, many people are not 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: looking people to be I feel like we were extra 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: dead pan in this opening today. Am I wrong? It 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: was somewhat unemotional. Wasn't a little detached, perhaps perhaps lacking 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: a fundamental empathy, cold and calculating. I have to say 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: it's it's just because I noticed in the past couple 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: of intros, I was all like, hey, I'm Matt, and 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: then we talked about something. That's because you are the 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: animated one. Okay, you know he's literally a cartoon. You're 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: not supposed to remember, we're talking about hidden things power, 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to We contain multitudes, as Walt Whitman said, 19 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: And you know, if you're familiar with the idea of 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: code switching, wherein someone will adapt a certain a certain 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: type of language depending upon the people they're speaking with 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: at a given time. If you're familiar with people who 23 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: will have you know, the the old Clark Kent, Superman, 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne Batman dichotomy, and they're a very very different 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: person at work. For instance, Listeners Matt Nolan I hang 26 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: out and are actually friends in the in the real world. 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: But that is an exception to a rule because often 28 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: when you work with someone, which we will explore later, 29 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: when you work with someone, you're working with a version 30 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: of that person. You're not working with the person who 31 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: you know. Derek from h R may secretly be the 32 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: world's best fly fisher. Derek is a monster wearing human 33 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: skin and I don't know how he gets it on 34 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: every morning. But the but the point is, like you 35 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: could you could know the world's best fly fisher, you 36 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: could know a monster. You could know, uh, this amazing person. 37 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: But all they may be to you is another Derek 38 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: from h R and listeners who are named Derek. On 39 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: the off chance one of you does work in human resources, 40 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: I promise you we made this example up. Any resemblances 41 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: are purely coincidental. Today we are talking about one of 42 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: the most notorious and one of the most miss under 43 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: stood mental illnesses in human civilization, and that is psychopathy. 44 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: I like saying it like that. It's fun psychopathy. Yes, 45 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Psychopathy. When we say it that way, 46 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like a pursuit of medicine, doesn't it. Yeah, 47 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: are some kind of like like a pterodactyl. Uh specific 48 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: kind of pterodactyl. Alright, so uh, the first first things first, 49 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: widely misunderstood. Right, So let's let's start with our definitions. 50 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: What is a psychopath? It is a It is summed 51 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: up by Uncle Sam's favorite Federal Bureau of Investigation with 52 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: the following quotation, a personality disorder that includes a cluster 53 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: of interpersonal, effective, lifestyle, and antisocial traits and behaviors. These 54 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: involved deception when it relation, irresponsibility, impulsivity, stimulation, seeking, poor 55 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: behavior controls, shallow affect, lack of empathy, guilt or remorse, 56 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: sexual promiscuity, callous disregard for the rights of others, and 57 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: unethical and antisocial behaviors. Now, if you're saying to yourself 58 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: a couple of those like they do, a couple of those, 59 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you're probably not alone. Um, doesn't necessarily 60 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: make you a psychopath. This is a very broad definition. Um, 61 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: sort of a checklist if you will. But you know, 62 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: I think many of us are prone to impulsivity from 63 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: time to time. We all seek stimulation, you know, and um, 64 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, occasionally we behave poorly. That's that's one of 65 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: the that's one of the key points here, because doing 66 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: some of this stuff every so often doesn't make you 67 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: a villainous person, you know what I mean. Good people exist, 68 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: and good people can do horrible things, especially when they 69 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: are in a society that normalizes it. Right. Uh, this 70 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: is an unfortunate reality. However, this definition is controversial. For 71 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: a long time, people believed that psychopaths were largely a 72 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: construction of the media. And these misconceptions about psychopaths can 73 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: be dangerous. Oh yeah, there's so many. There can be 74 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: problems when you're having an investigation. Let's say for law enforcement. Um, 75 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: let's say you're just having an interview with someone that 76 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: you perhaps believe is a psychopath. Oh my gosh, can 77 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: we do a fake interview? Now? Okay, we can illustrate 78 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: it if you want. Who who? Okay, so you guys 79 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: will be interviewing me for to hire me for a job. Okay, 80 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: at Circuit City, At Circuit City, can it be Blockbuster? 81 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Can it be a combination Circuit City and Blockbuster? Yes? Yes, okay, yeah, 82 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: because this is going to bring in lots of interesting 83 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: cross sections. And now now when we do this, bring 84 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: up questions that would address the things in the personality 85 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: of a psychopathic disorder, right, okay, all right and five 86 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: four three two one. Thank you for coming in. Ben, 87 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: It's nice to meet you. And you know, we hope 88 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: this goes along smoothly and we'll get you started as 89 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: soon as possible. Okay, we just got it written videos 90 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: and uh, selling hard drives. That's where it's an absolute pleasure, 91 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: you know what. I want to thank you guys so 92 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: much for the hard work that you do. Brian Nigel, 93 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: this is the start of something big. Uh, this is 94 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: this is beyond Circuit City. I've always loved, sir, it 95 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: gets I've always loved videos, I've loved renting things, and 96 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: I am enamored of this. I cannot wait here. Let 97 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: me let me shake your hands. I uh, I got 98 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: you guys, eat a present. Here you go, you go. Yeah, 99 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: that's a little that's a little forward. Ben you're you know, 100 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: we really appreciate what you're saying here. These are great things. 101 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: We we just uh, we need to get into this, 102 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: really into the meat of the responsibilities required to properly 103 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: um man a Circuit City Blockbuster location. Right, Oh, thank 104 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: you so much, Nigel. Let's jump in a big part 105 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: of the job. We'll be dealing with people. How do 106 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: you feel about people that they let me finish? Can 107 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: I finish? Please? Do me finish? How do you feel 108 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: about people? Feel? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I I feel things. 109 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: I've felt things. I've been a person with emotions. People 110 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: have those that's great for them, mean us, I mean, 111 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: you know. So let's do a little role playing here. 112 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Let's do a little scenario, um where you are faced 113 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: with a customer who has a complaint about their videotape 114 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: that they have rented and they also, as it turns out, 115 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: have a faulty USB stick and they're coming to you 116 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: to rectify this situation. Why because it's your job? Why 117 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: should help him? Though? Because it's your job? Well, they 118 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: trust you, You're you're an employee here at Circuit City Blockbuster. 119 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: Well that's their fault. Interesting and sing just like an 120 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: example of very very slap dash, and for the psychopaths 121 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: in the audience, we are not we are not mocking you. 122 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: We are hoping to exhibit that emotional disconnect. So when 123 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: Noel playing Nigel, when Matt Plaine Brian, we're interviewing this 124 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: guy at the at the Circuit City slash Blockbuster. Uh, 125 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: there was the question where they said, how do you 126 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: you know? Feel what? What are your feelings? What? What 127 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: would you do if someone had a problem, And we're 128 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: hoping to exhibit that fundamental disconnect. So psychopaths are represented 129 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: in all races, all cultures, all socio economic backgrounds, every 130 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: continent except for Antarctica of course, every uh, every income level, 131 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: every creed. You know. However, and this may interest fans 132 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: of our fellow podcasters, Uh stuff, Mom, never told you. 133 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: It turns out that statistically speaking, more men are psychopaths 134 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: rather than women. And you know, fake dichotomy of gender aside. 135 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: There there's some interesting methodology there because it they may 136 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: well be the case, like we talked about with serial killers, 137 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: that just more men are caught, perhaps there are more 138 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: uh that perhaps there are more women who are just 139 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: better at hiding psychopathy. So some are intelligent others will 140 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: be you know, not so much, not as much as 141 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: you would expect. Hannibal lecters. They're not all you know, 142 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: And this goes into um, this goes into some of 143 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: the media stuff, all right. So psychopaths do understand right 144 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: from wrong. So the example we did earlier when I 145 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: was doing some character who didn't didn't get you know, 146 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: why it would be bad to steal a laptop. The 147 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: thing is they know they are subject to society's rules, 148 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: but they will disregard them to pursue their own interests. 149 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: If we were turned back to that fbi H quote 150 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: the definition, I think to me, the most telling points 151 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: are the ones that really ring true the most at 152 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: the very end, callous disregard for the rights of others 153 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: and unethical and antisocial behavior um. And in addition to that, 154 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: the ones at the beginning deception, manipulation, irresponsibility. Because the 155 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: character that you played Ben starts off by trying to 156 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: put on that human mask. You know, it's a big, 157 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: big thing to try to overcompensate almost for a lack 158 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: of empathy, by attempting to display this overt you know, 159 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 1: almost cartoonish, as you like to say, Ben um display 160 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: of fake empathy. Uh to you know, the interviewers even 161 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: it did not sit right right. You know, we're sort 162 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: of looking at each other like, what's the deal of 163 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: this guy, you know, Blockbuster circuit city job. It's not 164 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: exactly you know, bringing about world peace. This guy is 165 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: way to overly enthusiastic. But to me, the idea of 166 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: a disregard for the rights of others, that is a 167 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: big part of psychopathy, where an individual wants to control 168 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: others and seize them as objects rather than um individuals 169 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: that have feelings and that have you know, a life. 170 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: It's more like pieces on a chessboard that they can 171 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: manipulate and control to their own ends. But people are 172 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: just objects in space. If you have a god complex, 173 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: that could be you know, the way you look at it. 174 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: So uh so that that's an excellent point, is that 175 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: lack of empathy. You know. The thing is that, according 176 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: to current research, although it's most often manageable, psychopathy is 177 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: not a curable a curable condition. And now it's now 178 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: we should discuss while we were stabbed definitions, we should 179 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: we should correct one of the the biggest misconceptions about 180 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: being a psychopath, which is the debatable difference between a 181 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: psychopath and a sociopath and what what do we what 182 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: do we know about this difference. To find the difference 183 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: between these two disorders, we look to the Diagnostic and 184 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders or the d s M 185 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: Addition five, fifth edition. What a sexy name, you know. 186 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm just quick sidebar here. My wife is a psychologist. 187 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people know that on the show already, 188 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: and as they make changes to the d s M, 189 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: it is really strange to see how vastly different disorders 190 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: become and how they get categorized and defined. Because homosexuality, 191 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: for a long time in the early days of the 192 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: d S and when it was listening, included a disorder, right, yeah, absolutely, 193 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: and then you know, look at the autism spectrum now 194 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: and all these other things. Anyway, let's get back into 195 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: right here. So the fifth edition, which is the latest one, 196 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: is when it came out. It shows that there are 197 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: common behavioral traits that are shared between both of these 198 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: and yes, sociopaths and psychopaths, but there are many differences. 199 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: What they share is the disregard for laws and social morays, 200 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: disregard for rights of others, a failure to feel remorse 201 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: or guilt, a tendency to display violent behavior. And in 202 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: addition to these commonalities, they have all of these differences. 203 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: So maybe could you describe just the average sociopath and 204 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: and broad strokes and sociopaths and the audience, of course, 205 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: are are offended, I imagine by being described as average 206 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: in any way. Sorry, Okay, so sociopaths tend to be 207 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: easily agitated, a little nervous. Maybe they can be volatile, 208 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: prone to emotional outbursts, fits of ray. You take that back, Yeah, 209 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: it's it's possible. Um. Sociopaths are likely to be uneducated, 210 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: at least somewhat, live on the fringes of society, unable 211 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: to hold down a steady job or even really stay 212 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: in any particular place for a very long time. Because 213 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: you have to to stay in a job or stay 214 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: in a place, you have to be able to work 215 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: in some way with groups of other people. Yes, hold 216 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: down holding down a job can be tremendously difficult for 217 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: both of these groups. Um. Many sociopaths are able to 218 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: form some kind of attachment to like one person, an individual, perhaps, sure, 219 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: maybe one group of people that they're able to really 220 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: blend in with um, but really overall, they seem to 221 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: have no regard for society in general, It's rules, its laws, 222 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: things that make it go on. I would imagine who 223 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: those attachments could border on the obsessive and are not 224 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: necessarily healthy in any way. Well, you know, like none 225 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: of us are a psychologists, but yes, I can imagine 226 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: that that is absolutely true. So any crimes, at least 227 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: the FBI. The FBI contends that any crimes committed by 228 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: a sociopath will tend to be impulsive, spontaneous, haphazard. I 229 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: don't know why I emphasized it that way, but that 230 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: does some pretty cool haphazard. So Noel, on the other hand, 231 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: what would you what would you say a psychopath would 232 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: be Like? Psychopaths, on the other hand, are completely unable 233 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: to form emotional attachments of any kind or feel empathy 234 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: with anyone. So while a sociopath might have, you know, 235 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: an obsession with a person, maybe someone at work, that 236 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: they sort of hold up as this the you know, 237 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: kind of like an object of their affection, you know 238 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: perhaps or yeah, are a close family member, maybe you 239 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: know a mother or father or a sibling. Perhaps, Um, 240 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: this psychopath would be completely isolated from any kinds of 241 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: relationships like that. UM go to great length in fact, 242 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: to isolate themselves. Psychopaths are much more manipulative and good 243 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: at it. Psychopaths are able to successfully mimic emotion, and 244 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: as as we mentioned at the top of the show 245 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: with our little scene, kind of give off this false 246 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: sense that they have empathy or that they can relate 247 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: to somebody. They are ultimately just trying to twist to 248 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: their own ends and appear to be completely normal to 249 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: unsuspecting people. UM Psychopaths are often very well educated, whether 250 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: within a system of education, higher learning, or just their 251 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: own job experience or job experience sure, or even just 252 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, home home learning. They are obsessed with details, 253 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: and they will go to lengths to you know, find 254 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: out as much information as they can about what they're 255 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: interested in. Uh. Some are so good at manipulation and 256 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: mimicry that they have families. As you often hear about 257 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: the guy next door family long term relationships. They had 258 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: no idea, We had no idea. He was so nice, 259 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: he always was outside mowing his lawn. He would give 260 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: us the paper. All of these acts, though, figure into 261 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: that greater charade of trying to put on that human mask, 262 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, and be seen as a productive member of society. 263 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: That's an interesting thing because one of the key differences 264 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: is that when committing crimes right or what society regards 265 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: his crimes, psychopaths will carefully plan out every detail in 266 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: advance and have an escape plan, plan B, a contingency. 267 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: So whereas a sociopath will commit something impulsively, a psychopath 268 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: will be cool. It's calm and thorough, and these crimes 269 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: might not be violent, you know, it might just be 270 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: stealing a laptop from Circuit City, Slash Blockbuster It or 271 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: a VHS copy of Captain Ron, you know, which a 272 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: lot of people that's really hot right now in the 273 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: black market should have gone with Cabin Boy. Yeah, you 274 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: sank a lot of money into the VHS bootleg trade, 275 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: Cabin Boy. I want to talk about a few examples though, 276 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: of this kind of calculated this. And I say he 277 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: didn't didn't have to be a violent crime, which is true, 278 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: But of a good example of this kind of calculated 279 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: this can be seen in serial killers that are caught. So, 280 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: for example, Jeffrey Dahmer, you know, he was looking for 281 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: a very specific type of person that he wanted to 282 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: abduct that would fulfill his you know, fetish or his 283 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: sexual fantasy. He ultimately wanted to turn these people into zombies, 284 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: sex and dead sex slaves. So he had a very 285 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: very spe scific plan laid out for how to earn 286 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: these people's trust at these clubs where he would uh 287 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, seek somebody out, and once he had injected 288 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: himself into a situation with the his mark more or less, 289 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: he would uh have them you know, kind of apply 290 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: them with drinks and then ultimately drug them and take 291 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: them home and do what he wanted to do with them, which, 292 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: like we said, it was some pretty grizzly stuff that 293 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: involved you know, drilling holes in their craniums and causing 294 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: them to be completely brain dead and pliable for whatever 295 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: he wanted to do. But the point is he had 296 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: a plan, He had a very specific plan outline for 297 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: how to accomplish his goals, and as he continued to 298 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: do it, over time, he refined that plan. So it's 299 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: all just very calculated, you know, um callous behavior that 300 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: is refined over time. Whereas, like you say, ban as 301 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: sociopath would be much more impulsive and might you know, 302 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: do something in the heat of the moment, but there's 303 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: not that level of fastidious study that goes into the process. Yeah, 304 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: that's a great point. Another example would be Ted Bundy, 305 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: for instance, who Ted Bundy, notorious serial killer and rapists 306 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: who was active during the nineteen seventies, also a necrophile. Uh. 307 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: He eventually confessed at thirty homicides in seven states during 308 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: the latter half of the nineteen seventies, but no one 309 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: knows how many women he actually killed. And he would 310 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: exploit these people when their trust. He actually defended himself 311 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: in court and then charmed the judge who said, you, sir, 312 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: would have been a fantastic attorney. Uh. Despite his psychopathic charm, 313 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: his case fell apart when he was identified as his 314 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: dental records matched bite marks on the bodies. That's tough 315 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: to walk away from, even if you are a slick 316 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: talking Ted Bundy psychopath. So one of the biggest differences, 317 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: which we'll get into in a bit, is that sociopaths 318 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: can learn this behavior childhood trauma. You know, Unfortunately the 319 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: world is a terrible place for a lot of children. Uh. 320 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: This this early trauma can influence an individual, removing the 321 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: fundamental pieces of the engine that makes someone a human 322 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: in a society. However, more and more evidence indicates, and 323 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: this is fairly controversial, that there may be a genetic 324 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: basis to psychopathy. And we'll get morning that after we 325 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: take a quick break to hear from one of our sponsors. 326 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: So talk about some statistics here and and before we 327 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: dive into these statistics, I want to ask you guys, know, Matt, 328 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: when when you first hear like the words psychopath, what 329 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: do you think of any anything is fine? Anything is 330 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: fine For me, it's films and television. I just finished 331 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: season five of Dexter, Passenger and stuff. Sure, yeah, that's 332 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: what that's within my head currently, at least at this moment. 333 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: I know him behind the times with Dexter. Also, you 334 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: know iconic films Psycho Alfred Hitchcock, that American Psycho. Oh yeah, absolutely, 335 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: Christian Bale, Like I have a picture of Christian Bale 336 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: in my head. What what about you know? I'm a 337 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: big fan of American Psycho as well, because it's kind 338 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: of like it almost pokes fun at the model of 339 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: psychopathy a little bit, and the way it at gels 340 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: so well with corporate attitudes and you know, we've actually 341 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: don an episode of that passed on Is My Boss 342 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: a Psychopath? Uh? And I think American psycho is a 343 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: really good kind of synthesis of of a lot of 344 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: those concerns. Feels like an American version sure of psycho. 345 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: So what's interesting is that in our video episode this 346 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: week we look at the chances that you may have 347 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: met a psychopath. It is possible. The numbers are the 348 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: numbers are important because they're dubious. It's difficult to really 349 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: know if these are people who are skilled at manipulation, 350 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: if they are also practicing for most of their lives too, 351 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, hiding their true nature. Then of course these 352 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: aren't self reporting people. It's not like a a measure 353 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: of statistics of people who have blue or green or 354 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: hazel eyes. Right, those are some of the rarest eye colors, 355 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: but they're readily apparent. You don't have to sign on 356 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: a government document anywhere or that you're a psychopath, like 357 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: you don't admit to it. Not not yet. Maybe big 358 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: data can track someone's social media activity or Internet usage, 359 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: and oh gosh, there is there's some stuff coming out 360 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: with looking at tweets really and tracking if someone is 361 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: displaying psychopathic Well, you know, we often say between the 362 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: three of us on this show that if the n 363 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: Essay is tracking us or paying attention, I mean they're 364 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: all they have their weird illuminati I on everybody. But 365 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: if there, if there's an actual person tracking our show, 366 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: it's probably an intern. I like to think his name 367 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: is Steve, And I feel so bad for Steve for 368 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: having to listen to this. So Steve, if you are, 369 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: if you are tracking our social media activity, please let 370 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: Nolan I know of mat is a psychopath. Well, here's 371 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: the thing. They wouldn't be tracking our show. They would 372 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: be tracking us individually. Have you guys heard of the 373 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: anime called Psycho pass Um. It's about like sort of 374 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: like a futuristic society where tracking technology has gotten so 375 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: good that law enforcement have these guns called the Dominator Dominators. 376 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: The idea is that each weapon is matched with its owner, 377 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: and the weapon scans a subject, does psychological tests, matches 378 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: it with database records, and determines whether or not to 379 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: use lethal force or not. Oh yeah, smart weapons. That's 380 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: something we should get into also in more in depth. 381 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: We could do an entire episode on that and that 382 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: that may indeed be a plausible future, you know, and 383 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? 384 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: For the gun owners in the audience? Uh, do you 385 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: do you believe that you should have a gun that 386 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: can only be fired by you right or programmed for you? 387 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: Do you have? Do you believe that you should have 388 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: a weapon that evaluates your mental state at the time 389 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: before it allows you to use it? So, for many, many, many, 390 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: many people, psychopaths are those those creatures of fiction. You know, 391 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: they're chasing folks with chainsaws, they're dressing up and drag 392 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: and stabbing some blond lady in a motel somewhere out 393 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: in the American heartland. But in real life, the only 394 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: defining feature is that there may be a profound selfishness, 395 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: a lack of emotion, little to no conscience. And let's 396 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: talk about numbers. So you'll hear widely varying estimates. And 397 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: you'll find some people that say, oh, you have probably 398 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: met a psychopath because one in a hundred people are psychopaths. 399 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: And then you'll find another number that says, nope, one 400 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: percent of the global population will be psychopathic. And you know, 401 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: there's another question here, whether this is a yes, no 402 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: red green kind of red green light kind of thing 403 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: like psychopath not psychopath, or whether it's a spectrum, right, 404 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: and some people have these traits. If we take the 405 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: position that one per cent of the US population or 406 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: one percent of the global population rather is uh, you know, 407 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: as a psychopathic, then we would say we're recording this 408 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: in September. There are seven point four billion ish people 409 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: on the planet, and several people just got born. As 410 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: I said the last sentence, there's seven point four billion. 411 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: One percent of the population is composed of psychopaths. Then 412 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: the world has seventy four million psychopaths right now, and 413 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: some of you are probably listening. I hope you're having 414 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: a good day. Uh, Your chances a meeting one then 415 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: seemed pretty remote, right, That's that's when a dark lottery. However, 416 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: although these these estimates may slip back and forth, the 417 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: question is what are your odds of running into a psychopath? 418 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: So for perspective here, the nation of Thailand has roughly 419 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: sixty million people in it living there, and if all 420 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: of the psychopaths estimated in the world gathered in one place, 421 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: they would be a country larger than Thailand. That would 422 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: be a fun place to visit man. Can you imagine 423 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: just going to any store, driving on the street. I 424 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: think everybody would be charming on this would be great. So, 425 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Ben Matt, what are the odds that me, Noel Brown, 426 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: walking around town would meet a psychopath after accused myself? 427 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Here's where it gets crazy. Your odds of 428 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: running into a psychopath, while they may seem remote, are 429 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: probably going to be higher depending upon the industries in 430 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: which you work. So, these are people who are disguising themselves. 431 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: Do you remember the theme the Transformers robots in disguise? 432 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: This is more like monsters in disguise, the human mask, 433 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: the human mask. Yes, just so, as you said, so, 434 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: there is a larger percentage of psychopaths in in several fields, 435 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: in politics and sales in high level corporate entities. There's 436 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: also a problem with the methodology here, because if there 437 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: are people who are professionally passionately disguising themselves, then you know, 438 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: going back to our earlier example about eye color, it 439 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 1: won't be a parent No, Matt, listeners, if you are 440 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: a psychopath, if you actually have this inability two participate 441 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: in the human enterprise of empathy, then you are so 442 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: dedicated to hiding this. You know, you, I can see 443 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: these people in a group, right, someone makes a joke 444 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: and this person laughs the loudest. A second after they 445 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: see that everybody else is laughing, and they go, oh, 446 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: it's time to laugh. And this this means that. And 447 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: this means that, given your profession, your situation, you will 448 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: have a much higher chance of running into one of 449 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: these individuals. This will not be a one percent dark 450 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: lottery for you. It may very well be a reality 451 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: of your daily life. For people who have been incarcerated 452 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: in the past, or someone who knows has been incarcerating 453 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: the past, you will be interested to hear about the 454 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: research by a fellow named Robert Hare. Robert Hare, who 455 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: we cite in our video series, wrote a book called 456 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: Without Conscience, The Disturbing World of Psychopaths among Us, And 457 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: he is the one who developed a checklist, like you 458 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: said earlier, of various behaviors adding up aggregating into a 459 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: certain uh, you know, a certain threshold psychopathic behavior. And 460 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: he found that well maybe one percent of the global 461 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: population on average will suffer from this disorder, in excess 462 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: of twenty of the inmate population. SATIS fies his definition 463 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: of a psychopath. So that means that your chances of 464 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: running into someone in prison who feels no empathy, no 465 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: remorse is about one in five, which is which is 466 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: a startling statistic and it is and it is debatable. 467 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: So we were talking about how these people will be 468 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: identified or identify themselves or disguise themselves. And you know what, Nold, 469 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: this reminds me of a video that you and I 470 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: worked on when we were traveling New York. We spent 471 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: a spoiler alert ladies and gentlemen. We spent several days 472 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: while Matt was holding down the fort here at stuff 473 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, uh we Nolan, I 474 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: happen to get this opportunity to hunt down buildings that 475 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: did not want to be found in New York. These 476 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: were fake buildings that were designed to look like uh 477 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: Brown's zones, Yeah, like um, you know, townhouses, brown stones, um. 478 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: There was one of them that was pretty much an 479 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: entire city block and the bronx Um. The idea is 480 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: that they are intended to blend in with their surroundings 481 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: and deceive. What does that sound like, right exactly? That's 482 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: the that is what if if a person is a 483 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: building those buildings are psychopaths. Yeah, and and how do 484 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: they blend in? Right? How do the buildings blend in? 485 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: How do the humans blend in? We're going to learn 486 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: about that right after we hear from a word from 487 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back. You know you, guys, I know, 488 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: I thought you did a really good ending. Indeed line 489 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: there there was very radio voice. Thank you, and you 490 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: can tell by the speech pattern that you are not 491 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: a psychopath. We are identifying psychopaths increasingly, we being the 492 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: human species experts, not necessarily the the three of us 493 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: and all of all of you listening here, who are 494 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: of course, uh, the most important part of this show. 495 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: Uh do you notice uh part of what I'm doing 496 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: here in uh my speech patterns. It's hard for me 497 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: to tell what it is, but it certainly sounds different. 498 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: It's given me the creeps and get the willies. Uh, yes, 499 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: the willies, the Alabama shakes. Sounded like a president trying 500 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: to give a speech where you're being very deliberate about 501 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: every word you said. So there is a pretty there's 502 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: a pretty convincing study. And we when we say this, 503 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: we want to disclaimer here. We don't want anybody to 504 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: diagnose someone as a psychopath, being that this is a 505 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: controversial definition. Oh and we should also point this out. 506 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: This is stuff they don't want you to know. The 507 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: they in this episode could be your boss, could be 508 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: your friend, could be your lover, could be your child, 509 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: could be a relative. Right, they would be the psychopaths 510 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: that you may have met. They might be you if 511 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,479 Speaker 1: you were a psychopath and you were listening today. So 512 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: a fascinating study came out in September of two thousand 513 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: eleven and was called Hungry Like the Wolf, a word 514 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: pattern analysis of the language of psychopaths. And the reason 515 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: that I was playing around with speech a little bit 516 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: and that last thing where you guys noticed something was 517 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: what I guess Chuck Bryant would call hinky mm hmm. 518 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: Is the following psychopaths in in comparison to a control 519 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: group include more rational cause and effect descriptions. So because 520 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: of this, or since this focused on material needs like 521 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: I'm hungry, I'm thirsty, I'm poor, or whatever, and there 522 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: are fewer references to social needs or you know, the 523 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: more spiritual stuff like family, religion, love, you know what 524 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean. And psychopath speech Also this is key contained 525 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: a higher frequency of what are called disfluencies. And these 526 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: are the US, the ums. So I've seen a lot 527 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: of US. And also also I tend to say US 528 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: pretty often. Hopefully I am not a psychopath, try to 529 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: I try to edit those out when I can, I know, 530 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 1: but there's so many. You know, I was just saying 531 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: I was imagining myself. They're saying UM every moment, right. 532 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that we are necessarily madmen. M This 533 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: this indicates in this study, this indicates that describing a 534 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: quote unquote powerful emotional event to another person it was 535 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: relatively difficult because it's like you're it's similar to when 536 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: you're watching something streaming versus watching something that already exists 537 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: on your computer. There's some sort of transit tifering. Yeah, 538 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: there's buffering. That's the word exactly. So there's this buffering thing. 539 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: You know. This makes me think of the Replicant test 540 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: and Blade Runner, where they measure someone's dilation right of 541 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: the of the pupils. When they describe like there's a turtle, turtle, 542 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: it's on its back. It can't get up, you see it? Why? What? Right? 543 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 1: What a get? And so with this in mind, uh, 544 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: with this in mind, there starts to be an illuminating 545 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 1: and speech pattern, right, at least according to the study, 546 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: so psychopaths also their final note, psychopaths also used more 547 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: past tense and less present tense verbs in their narrative, 548 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: which the scientists took to mean there was a greater 549 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:25,439 Speaker 1: psychological detachment from an incident. Right. However, there's there's one 550 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: difference in that in that final point, and that difference 551 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: is that the people they were interviewing were psychopathic homicide 552 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: offenders based on the checklist devised by Robert Hare. So 553 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: of if my question is are you more likely to 554 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: use past tense when you're in prison? I think you 555 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: may well be. Yeah. Their conclusion is that, I will 556 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: quote this, these language differences, presumably beyond conscious control, will 557 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: support the notion that psychopaths operate on a primitive but 558 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 1: rational level. The important part there is in the beginning 559 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: where they say presumably beyond conscious control. So the argument 560 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: is that with these people who are skilled manipulators and deceptive, 561 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: these living decepticons to do another Transformers reference, they are 562 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 1: unable to control these small patterns of speech, and this 563 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: means that there would be an underlying factor here, so 564 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: that is one of the giveaway signs. No, I certainly 565 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: hope that no one is going to go around thinking 566 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: that guy says uh a lot, like guy says um 567 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: quite a bit. Uh. Any any one of these things 568 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: on this checklist right, any of these descriptors. It makes 569 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: me nervous that people will just be looking for these 570 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: now in people they walk past, people, they love, people, 571 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, they work, they worked with Um. Oh god, 572 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: I said, um, it's making me so paranoid. Now, one 573 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: thing before we before we moved too far beyond it. 574 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: When we did the episode that you mentioned nol about 575 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: is whether someone's boss is a psychopath. We found some 576 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: pretty fascinating, disturbing statistics. So if if psychopaths are one 577 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: percent of global population identified psychopaths, once you get to 578 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,240 Speaker 1: about middle management level in corporate America, at least about 579 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: four of people are going to be psychopaths, which is 580 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: which is weird because it also I think it I 581 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: think it explains partially the action and corporate entities. Oh wow, 582 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,720 Speaker 1: when the people that are controlling them towards the center 583 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 1: and top have these callous disregard for everybody else, certainly 584 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: a lack of empathy there and a you know, I 585 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: don't know if, if if anyone out there has ever 586 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: dealt with higher level corporate types, but there's a certain, 587 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: uh gotta keep saying a human maskiness about them, you know, 588 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: with the glad handing and all of the right. Yeah, exactly, 589 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: this idea of sort of trying to relate to people 590 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,959 Speaker 1: on the ground, sort of that are beneath them quote 591 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: unquote in the corporate structure, and um, usually it's quite 592 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: obvious that that they don't actually care about anybody except 593 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,919 Speaker 1: for the bottom line and their ability to uh kind 594 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: of steer people's actions toward whatever metric will make them 595 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: look best. Robert Hare had a very interesting quote about that. 596 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: Someone was asking him about his study with prisoners and 597 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: the reports of people meeting his threshold for psychopathy in 598 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: the corporate world, and he said, you know, I would 599 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: love to have interviewed some of those people, because I 600 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: think the number might even be higher. And of course, 601 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: corporate entities are are brutal, and we were reaching arguably 602 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: the age of the corporation rather than the age of 603 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: the state. Let sounds like a good podcast episode, you 604 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: know what, Maybe it would be. I don't know, maybe 605 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: we should do that. What do you think, Yes, yeah, 606 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: I think so, let us know what you think, listeners. 607 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: There's one thing other thing we should follow up on here, 608 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,919 Speaker 1: and that is the argument that there is a genetic 609 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: a genetic um factor. It psych propathy. Have you ever 610 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: heard of something called the warrior gene? Sounds familiar, but 611 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you what it was. So this is 612 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 1: this is tremendously controversial because so much of the history 613 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: of modern science is dictated by institutionalized racism. Essentially, we 614 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: have phrenology, right, you could tell by the bump on 615 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: an irishman's head that he was made velocity and insolence, 616 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: eugenics and eugenics as well, uh eugenics being eugenics being like, well, 617 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: it's it's a crime not to sterilize the Welsh. Wow, 618 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: you know, quick and dirty reader's digest. But but the this, 619 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: this idea that is very close to the Christian concept 620 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: of original sin, is that there are inborn things that 621 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: determine the course of a person's life. Research is indicating 622 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: that there may be an inborn gene, a genetic aspect 623 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,399 Speaker 1: of fundamental part of someone's DNA that makes them more 624 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: likely to be a psychopath. The idea of a criminal 625 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: gene is nonsense. But the roots of what becomes the Dahmer, 626 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: what becomes the ted Bundy may indeed be something that 627 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,839 Speaker 1: is there from the moment that person is formed. So 628 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: people know that genes play a why like an important 629 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: role in behavior. Stuff you should know has an excellent 630 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: episode about epigenetics, which is that the behaviors of our 631 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: ancestors or our our parents or grandparents will affect the 632 00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: way our genes manifest Possibly is debatable, However, there there's 633 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,240 Speaker 1: studies that say that show this has worked in certain 634 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: situations related to physical things. Yeah, likelihood of diabetes for instance. However, 635 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,240 Speaker 1: what what we're finding is that, you know, the study 636 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: of behavioral genetics is very, very, very very what's the 637 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 1: new safe word? Problematic? Is that really the new safe word? 638 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: And ben, Yeah, it's problematic. So there's a there's a 639 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: low expression variant of M A O A and it's 640 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: known as M A O A L and it's been 641 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: linked in various studies with an increased risk of violent 642 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,439 Speaker 1: and aggressive behavior. So, if we want to get into 643 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,799 Speaker 1: the inside baseball of it, studies essentially showed this the 644 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: gene M A O A encodes mono and today's A 645 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: and that's an enzyme that degrades UH neurotransmitters like dopamine, nora, adrenaline, serotonin. 646 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,720 Speaker 1: So this disorder, if there's a rare genetic disorder caused 647 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: by a mutation in this gene having M A O 648 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: A L instead of M A O A UH, this 649 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: deficiency can cause an excess of these transmitters, which will 650 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: lead to an excessively impulsive behavior, hyper sexuality, sleep disorder, 651 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,359 Speaker 1: extreme mood swings, a tendency toward violence, also known as 652 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: Brunner syndrome. And people disagree over the science, but they 653 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: also furthermore disagree about the implications of this. And here's 654 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: the other thing. This variant M A O A L 655 00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: is common. It occurs to approximately of the population. So 656 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: if one per cent of the population is exhibiting psychopathic behavior, 657 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: then it can't be just nature. There has to be 658 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 1: some nurture involved as well, or lack of nurture maybe, 659 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: or lack of nurture as well. So this is where 660 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: we reach towards our conclusion. And we don't want anyone 661 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: to feel that they are listening to this show and 662 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: maybe on a road trip and looking over at the 663 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,759 Speaker 1: person with them in the car and thinking, you know, 664 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: how much? How well do I know Derek from HR? Sure? 665 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: He says uh a lot. He might be a monster, 666 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: He might be wearing a mask of human skin. Now, 667 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: we don't want you to think that, and we also 668 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: don't want you to think that we take this lightly 669 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: in any way, because this is a mental illness that 670 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: we've been speaking about this entire time that affects real 671 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: people in real ways. And it doesn't mean just because 672 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: someone displays traits of this, it doesn't mean they're going 673 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: to be violent. It does not mean that just means 674 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: that they may be a little deceptive. Well. It also 675 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: it also means that we are as a species in 676 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: an age where we are still learning about ourselves. We 677 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,720 Speaker 1: are the original pieces of technology that we still don't 678 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,360 Speaker 1: completely understand, and we were able to build amazing things. 679 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: We are not at this point able to build a person. 680 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: We're reaching towards genetic modification. We also have to ask 681 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: ourselves every time that a gene exists or propagates. The 682 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: population is hell of a number, and we always have 683 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: to ask ourselves why a certain gene became successful, Why 684 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 1: did it propagate. Does the world need psychopaths? In some ways? 685 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 1: Are psychopaths more likely to be good soldiers, good politicians? 686 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: Our psychopaths lacking empathy or fear more likely to be 687 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: someone there in a clutch to save a life, to 688 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: do a job because they don't suffer from the the 689 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,800 Speaker 1: identification like, could they be better surgeons because they don't 690 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,839 Speaker 1: feel a discomfort when they see someone bleeding out. It's 691 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,280 Speaker 1: almost more of an adaptation instead of a you know, disorder. 692 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: Perhaps interesting to think about. Yeah, And of course, as 693 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: Matt said at the top, we are not trained psychologists. 694 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:58,280 Speaker 1: We do not endorse self diagnosis or diagnosing someone else. 695 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 1: If you do have concerns about yourself. I loved when 696 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:11,479 Speaker 1: someone you know seek professional medical advice. And if they're 697 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: a surgeon and they might operate on us later, please 698 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 1: feel free to not tell them about our speculation regarding 699 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 1: surgeons and psychopaths. That would be great. And with that said, 700 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: we are off to do a little bit more. 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