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Speaker 2: Today, on One Bad Movie, we have Mike Binder. You

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Speaker 2: may know the name from a stand up comedian. Also

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Speaker 2: his work behind the scenes as a director of movies

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Speaker 2: such as Indian Summer and My favorite bad Movie. Some

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Speaker 2: people would call it bad, but it's it's a hilarious

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Speaker 2: You may also recognize him as an actor. He has

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Speaker 2: some great big parts. My favorite role of his is

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Speaker 2: Leo Crowe in Minority Report, where Tom Cruise realizes.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I am going to kill this man. Very good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and also Binder was famous for starting something called the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Comedy Jam just kind of like a.

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Speaker 2: We didn't get into any of that in the episode,

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Speaker 2: but this, you know what, we're leaving this in this

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Speaker 2: is great.

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Speaker 1: So, but Mike hilarious is a legendary comedy writer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who's also very well respected for his producing and directing. Listen,

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Speaker 1: he was executive producer of Ray Donovan for a whole season. Right,

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: So Mike and an old friend, a great director, an

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Speaker 1: even better writer, uh an even more important, a great

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Speaker 2: You know what, I just realized now he show ran

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Speaker 2: Ray Donovan. We had Bronson Pinche on with his great,

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Speaker 2: hilarious behind the scenes story from Ray Donovan, and he

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Speaker 2: was bound up. He had a binder. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: we're coming full circle and bring it back around all

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Speaker 2: right without further ado a great episode and he name

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Speaker 2: drops Steven Spielberg and other big names. This is a

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Speaker 2: great episode without on one bad movie.

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Speaker 1: One bad movie. That's a.

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Speaker 4: Great and bad lips.

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Speaker 3: It's so bad, Sam Guilty Lass Suns so bad.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 3: One bad movie.

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Speaker 1: Fun because those guys are in their freaking twenties and

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Speaker 1: I'm going binder. You know, he's my generation and my

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Speaker 1: son and law Andrews generation are like the last two

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Speaker 1: generations that understand. You know George Carlin, I mean he's

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Speaker 1: like a under thirty five accept in the world of comedy.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: But even in the clubs, like you could say to

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Speaker 1: a young person, yeah, George carl On and they're going,

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Speaker 1: they're yeah, yeah, yeah, But you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely We had this. We were talking to these

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Speaker 3: kids and we were talking about Vinnie, the kid that

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Speaker 3: went on last night and said it's so great to

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Speaker 3: see new comedians, can you? But but I loved hear

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Speaker 3: seeing you and our Sinio was on that night, right, Well,

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Speaker 3: you're here the night our senio was right. And they said,

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Speaker 3: how about are there any older comedians that we should

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Speaker 3: know about? And I said, well, George Carlin and Richard

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Speaker 3: Pryor and they were who are they? No idea right,

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Speaker 3: No idea right. But that's the same thing with movies though.

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Speaker 1: And not just right now, like with the resurgence of

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Speaker 1: that big documentary biopic. I don't know if you saw that,

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Speaker 1: but SNL is gonna flood the media in its own

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Speaker 1: way because it has that power with that generation. But

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Speaker 1: it just amazes me what we just said was, yeah,

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Speaker 1: even younger comics that they don't get the George Carlin history,

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I think young comedians do.

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Speaker 1: When you it's kind of my point. Yeah, although of

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Speaker 1: course you'll run into under thirty five years old kids,

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Speaker 1: guys that'll not know as much. Yes, But what's wild

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Speaker 1: about stand up comedy is what you just said. Most

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Speaker 1: first thing I said to him was like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: And they're going, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: that's the whole power of the pause, and just you know,

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But they know that too in different ways

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Speaker 1: You were right, they know the history.

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Speaker 3: They don't really. It's like they know from documentaries. They know,

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Speaker 3: they know school George Carlin was, they know snippets that

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Speaker 3: why is because it's the same. It's the same reason

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Speaker 3: why when you talk to young actors and filmmakers, you

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Speaker 3: talk to him about a Preston Sturgis movie or a

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Speaker 3: Billy Wilder movie. That's that's Greek to them, let alone.

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Speaker 3: Even even you know some of the early, the first

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Speaker 3: understand the movies. That's what I found because I made

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Speaker 3: this five part series about the comedy Store I Don't

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Speaker 3: know you know? And I interviewed all comics, one hundred

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Speaker 3: there were a few that just flat out said, I

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Speaker 3: right well. But most of them would say, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: I just I would study it as a kid, and

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Speaker 3: I'd say, well, did you watch you know prior second

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Speaker 3: any of his specials. Well, how did just how do

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Speaker 3: Because I've read about him in a couple documentaries, that's

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Speaker 3: not you got to watch his work, right, And they

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Speaker 3: don't think like that, you know, And I get that.

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Speaker 3: I understand that. You know, everyone's good, you got there's

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid, Halloween would be coming up.

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Speaker 1: So if one of the Baldwin family members, one of

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Speaker 1: but we we like performed it on Halloween. We had swords,

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Speaker 1: yea Monty Pytha wasn't just those guys from England. We

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Speaker 1: so because it was funny. It was so funny beyond funny,

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Speaker 1: and kids, younger folks don't know that today, Like they'll

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Speaker 1: they'll see clips social media blah blah blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then I'll talk to somebody like I

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Speaker 1: and Fred Durst was there. It's a musician. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: fred Durst, what limp biscuit. So I was there with

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Speaker 1: that guy, I said. I was at a big stadium

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dice Clay, I went to see him in Madison

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Speaker 1: Square Garden and it was like Metallica was there.

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Speaker 1: It was like so now bye.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I was just gonna say, the money

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Speaker 3: Python movies hold up really well. People that do watch

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yes, they hold up so well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because they're just nuts and most comedy doesn't. Most

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Speaker 3: just fall you watch them like like it's a mad

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, did I just say that? No, I call

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Speaker 1: it the fart frequency. There's like a dumb and dumber frequency,

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Speaker 3: Yes, but the fiche But but but the mony Python movies,

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Speaker 3: because I mean they were making transsexual jokes forty years ago, right,

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Speaker 5: Well at first, it just like just little asides. It

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Speaker 3: You could almost do that ship because nobody heard it.

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Speaker 5: They didn't think to get insulted by it.

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Speaker 1: But it was just so they do. They would just

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Speaker 5: Like oh, oh, I'm going to be a woman. When

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Speaker 1: You know, you look at it, like forty years ago,

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, But but I'm saying these guys It was

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Speaker 3: Stuff was and in their lives and what they saw. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure some did some, you know, so the

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I think I think these guys, these guys were

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Speaker 3: They never had a woman in their movies. Okay, they

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Speaker 3: big controversy with their stuff. They weren't super successful. They

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Speaker 3: were successful, but they weren't like box office hits, like.

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Speaker 1: But only over time, as as like a cult following.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you didn't record anything. We were talk saying.

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Speaker 1: Everything recorded all of that.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, I don't know, I don't I just I

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Speaker 3: didn't know what you said.

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Speaker 1: A lot of crazy stuff, Mike, this stuff saying the

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Speaker 1: stuff you buggering that guy in the woods.

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Speaker 5: I should have pulled that.

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Speaker 1: Out now, define buggering. Now that we've been talking about.

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Speaker 5: My running really hard and then one person stops.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't be able to run that fog, Mike,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you another abstract question.

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Speaker 3: Yes, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: My pants are soaked. This is what I'm gonna deal with.

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Speaker 5: This is what this guy looks up to.

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Speaker 3: The very first big scene you have, we're shooting in

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Speaker 1: And was I tired?

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Speaker 3: You weren't tired. You weren't tired. You were wired. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I said to the producer, go get him. He comes back,

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Speaker 1: it at the time, taking actors lines right.

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Speaker 3: I realized that it was just a It was a

440
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Speaker 3: survival thing for me.

441
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Speaker 5: But I've done in my whole life.

442
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Speaker 3: Now you're not here, I'll light you out of the scene.

443
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 5: I don't care.

444
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: But and you were whoa, whoa. I go, Stevie, you're

445
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 3: not in the scene anymore. You're not in the scene.

446
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 5: Just let us shoot this. You're you're it's fine.

447
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: You pull me aside, you go. I will never do

448
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: that again. I will never do that again.

449
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember why I was delayed. I truly don't remember.

450
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Speaker 1: Was I constipated.

451
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: Uh, let's say you were okay, okay, I I actually

452
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: think you had diphtheria, is what it was. It was

453
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Speaker 3: a quick one hour about of diphtheria and when it

454
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 3: went away fast okay.

455
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: So hold on. First time I ever got on a plane,

456
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: I was seventeen. Alex flew me out to la he

457
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: was living in Venice. Blah blah blah blah, like never

458
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: been in an airplane U til I was seventeen. I go

459
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: to the set a hunt for October. It's in the

460
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Speaker 1: sound stage. They have their trailers in the stage, and

461
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: then the set of the submarine. My brother goes.

462
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Speaker 4: Sh sit there, don't talk to anyone. He goes Sean,

463
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 4: he's gonna come out of that trailer and he's gonna

464
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: walk right by you, and he's gonna take the place

465
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: of his stand, and then he's gonna speak, and then

466
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 4: we're gonna cut, and then he goes back to his trailer,

467
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 4: and then everybody breaks the setup for.

468
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: The next shot, and I go got it, But I

469
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: don't realize is in homies? What's his name Sean Connery,

470
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: Sean Connery sorry. And Connery's deal he doesn't come out

471
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: of his trailer till the cameras rolling. So when you

472
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: were trying to get me on the set of Crossing

473
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: the Brie this guy and sound rolling and background and

474
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Speaker 1: and you're on the sub I'm like, like everybody's everybody's

475
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: acting in the middle of a submarine. You're here, we're rolling,

476
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: and you hear we're rolling. And a door opens and

477
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: Sean Connery comes out of his trailer and walks this

478
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: little carpet right to where his standing is and standing

479
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't step up, and you know, tapping on the

480
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: shoulder and think it just ways to come. Counnery steps

481
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: in the camera goes, could I get one ping please?

482
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 7: He's like God, and he goes, I mean, I mean

483
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 7: my seat, you're going, I guess he walks by me.

484
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: I'm going.

485
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: It was mind blowing. I bet that level of filmmaking.

486
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: I bet that they built the whole set of the submarine.

487
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: But Connery, you know.

488
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: What I mean, It's really funny because you didn't know it.

489
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: But your deal on crossing that bridge was that you

490
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: didn't come out of the trailer until you we were

491
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: filming a scene that you had just been cut out.

492
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: I gotta read the fine print, Mike, Yeah, you gotta

493
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: read got read the print.

494
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what those those early days.

495
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: Can I tell you one more thing. I think your

496
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: indie films, your little films, Indian summer crossing the bridgetff

497
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: like that. It's just cool now because that's gonna be

498
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: your leg see. Not just the stand up shit and

499
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: everything up. But I just mean that cool films, quality films,

500
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: real films, touching films stand on their own. You kind

501
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: of catch little gifts from the most unique places. And

502
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: the best direction I ever got, and I worked with

503
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Oliver Stone and Brian DePalma. Remember the best direction I

504
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: ever got was from you. I'll never forget this. I'm

505
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: doing this heavy scene, monks. I'm like, you know, Stella

506
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm Stella. I'm stella ing. I swear

507
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: to god. I had to do eleven takes, not it

508
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: was taking nine or ten or eleven, and Mike had

509
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: come up to me every second or third one. It's

510
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: going great, getting great stuff. Can I just and I go,

511
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: just give me one more bro every time he goes,

512
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: Can I just I go, stupid, Johnny Man. You know,

513
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm like that. Know, I'm just I'm just trying to

514
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: just open the floodgates of anything. You know. I don't know.

515
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: I just think that's gonna work. So I get to nine,

516
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: I get the time, I probably get to like eleven,

517
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: and Mike goes, that's great. I want you just try

518
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: one like this. I'm like, what he's try one like this.

519
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm like what he's like, Just say the words. Look

520
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: at me, don't act, don't act. You're there, say the words.

521
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: And I like this.

522
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: I swear to God, monks, I go, just say the words.

523
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: It's one of my first films. I'm going, just everything

524
00:31:53,160 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: must be Richard Burton. Uh And I just like this, okay,

525
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: just like I hadn't thought of that. I literally hadn't

526
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: thought of like a revelation on me. From that film forward,

527
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: I flipped all my work. That's what you don't realize.

528
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I then found the two or three places to a

529
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: mount that made sense if it made sense in the work,

530
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: and then the rest was all just say the fucking

531
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: and in a in a sense, that's really the greatest philosophy.

532
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: Less is more.

533
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: That's yeah, I think so and to me one of

534
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: the greatest underrated actors of all times with Spencer Tracy.

535
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: And I thought you were gonna say me, no, no, sir, no,

536
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: that's so sweet. But Spencer Tracy, welcome to one body.

537
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: Spencer Tracy. Love him, Spencer Tracy.

538
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: His whole thing was just the secret great acting is

539
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: say your lines and don't bump into the furniture, you know, and.

540
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: And beyond time. I must have not heard that one.

541
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he just he just simplified it for everybody

542
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: at that time.

543
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: You know, I have one more one bad movie question.

544
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna tell you what I thought was my

545
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: bad movie. Hurry up.

546
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: I didn't do hurry up. That was another guy.

547
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: You don't do hurry up.

548
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: I don't do hurry up. Okay, Stevie, you come bring

549
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: me on your podcast. I got I got two three

550
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: hours to go and get into it and let and

551
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: let everything out.

552
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: We got plenty of films, mister Binder. Don't worry no.

553
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 5: I made this movie.

554
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: Called Man about Town for Lionsgate with Ben Affleck. It's

555
00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: really interesting. I had written it for Steven Spielberg. I

556
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: had Steven Spielberg loved the upside of Anger and he

557
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: saw me in the Contender. Oh wow, he saw me

558
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: in the Contender and he put me in a minority report.

559
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: And then I showed him The Upside of Anger, which

560
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: I was editing, and he said, we got to do

561
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: something together. I want you to write something for me.

562
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: And at the time we both lived up in the

563
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: Palisades and we were talking about, you know, power and

564
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: the struggles. And also he was going through a thing

565
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: where there was a guy who broke into his house

566
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: late at night and was gonna they found notes. The

567
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: guy was gonna electrocute Steven and beat him up, and

568
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: it was just horrible guy with Kate jail what he

569
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: was with Kate.

570
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

571
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 3: So I wrote this thing with Stephen called Man about Town,

572
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: about this big agent who has a stalker and destroys

573
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 3: his life. And I worked with him in his office

574
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: for a long time and this thing, and he was

575
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: so into it. I mean, one day we're sitting there

576
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: writing and his assistant who's now his producer, Christy, says,

577
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: keeps buzzing Stephen, He's at the gate. You're gonna have

578
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 3: to wrap this up. Okay, we keep He's telling me, okay,

579
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: we'll try this scene and write something like this and

580
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: working forty five minutes, goes by Stephen. He's in the lobby.

581
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: You gotta he can't do this. Another twenty five minutes

582
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: goes by Steven. She comes in, Stephen, you can't do this.

583
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: He's here. He's here, he's waiting for you. He goes, Mike,

584
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: I gotta go moknock him Bageum Began is here. Prime

585
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: Minister of Israel is waiting to But he's just like.

586
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: So into developing this screenplay. And that was what kind

587
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: of guy was, you know?

588
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: So we we wrote this screenplay or I wrote it,

589
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: he developed, he was gonna direct it. And I'm in

590
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: London scoring the Upset of Anger and he calls me.

591
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: We're getting ready to make the movie. He's gonna direct

592
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: my movie Man about Town. It's like sixty five million

593
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: dollar movie, which is low budget for him. Yeah, but

594
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: it had so much movement and craziness. And he says, Mike,

595
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: I got bad news. I'm not making this movie. Kate

596
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: talked me out of it. What do you mean it's

597
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: too autobiographical. I don't want to do something autobiographical right now.

598
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: But it's a great movie. You wrote a great script.

599
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: I think you should direct it, and if you want

600
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: to direct it, will will make it here a DreamWorks

601
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: for you to direct. But I'm not going to do it.

602
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 5: I said, Okay, that's too bad, Flowers. No, no, that's

603
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 5: not what happened.

604
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: So then the guy this is I'm making this a

605
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: long story short that the guy, the production guy at

606
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: DreamWorks says, Okay, if Mike's gonna direct it, it's an

607
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: eighteen million dollar movie, you know, and with.

608
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 5: Steven is this with Mike it's eh.

609
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: So I but I wanted to do it, and I

610
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: didn't want to rewrite it. I wanted to do it

611
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: with the swooping and the and the effects and the

612
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: and the camera shooting around this guy, and that's all

613
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: the stuff that I thought Steven would do great. Right,

614
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: So I said, fine, I'll do it for eighteen I'll

615
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 3: figure out where to do it. And then Ben Affleck

616
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: comes to my editing room and watches Upside of Anger.

617
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: He says, I want to do your next movie. I said, well,

618
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm doing this movie that man about town a DreamWorks said,

619
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: I know, I want to do it. I haven't even

620
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: read the script yet, but I want to do it.

621
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, that's why I wanted you to see

622
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: the movie. So we make a deal. He's going to

623
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: do it. We shake hands, we'll do it. I called Stephen.

624
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: Stephen says, no, can't do it with him. He just

625
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: we just bombed with a movie with him. He's got

626
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: that whole JL thing going on now, and I have

627
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: other problems with him. So and it's a good story too,

628
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: because I know it's amazing. I love both these guys,

629
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: and they're both smarter than me, but they both kind

630
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: of acted like idiots, and so did I. So Stephen says, Mike,

631
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: let me tell you something. One time he was going

632
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: with my god daughter Gwyneth, and we all went on

633
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: a trip to Spain, I believe it was, and my

634
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: son was a little boy, was playing in the pool

635
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: and he got out of the pool and Ben came

636
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: in fully dressed, and my son pushed Ben into the pool,

637
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: and Ben got really mad at him, and he came

638
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: out of the pool and he picked him up and

639
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: he threw him back into the pool and made my

640
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: son cry. I said, okay, what what where does this

641
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: have to do with anything? He goes. I just don't

642
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: like to work with him, plus his last two movies bombed,

643
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: So find somebody else, anyone but him. He's cold as hell. Okay, Stephen.

644
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: So so I call Ben. Ben's agent said it's not

645
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: going to work. It's not gonna work. Ben calls me up.

646
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: He goes, did Steven Spielberg tell you I there his

647
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: kid the water? Is that what happened? Is that why

648
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: I'm not on your movie?

649
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: He just what he said.

650
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: I said, no, who No, he didn't say yes he did.

651
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 3: He told you I threw his kid.

652
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 5: In the water. That's why I'm not on the movie.

653
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: So I called Stephen Backer, go listen. I really think

654
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 3: I want to use Ben. He's the right guy. He goes, Okay,

655
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: use Ben. Next morning, I get a call from my agent.

656
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: DreamWorks is dropping the picture. They're letting you, but they're

657
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 3: gonna let you take it somewhere else. So the company

658
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: Media eight that made Upside of Anger lets me make it.

659
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: They finance it for fourteen million dollars and Lionsgate distributes it,

660
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: and I make it up in Vancouver.

661
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 5: Ben is cold as shit, and it's your Siberia and.

662
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: We have a great time making it. But I make

663
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: a shitty movie. Ben, Yeah, Ben's in it. Okay, I

664
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: make a shitty movie. I just made a shitty movie.

665
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: I made some severe casting mistakes.

666
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

667
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 5: I just that's you know, I just.

668
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: It was too much for me to bite off. There

669
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: were too many gear shifts. Anyway, Uh, the movie comes out,

670
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: Lionsgate sends it straight to video. Wow, and it's a

671
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: it's not a good movie. There's some great stuff in it.

672
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: John Cleese's great in it. Ben's great in it. Rebecca

673
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: ramp Mecca's Romain, Rebecca Romain Lettuce is really good in it.

674
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 3: But anyway, so Ben, his career goes so cold, and

675
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: then it goes like that, like that takes off right.

676
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: He wins the Oscar for Argo. About three years later,

677
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: he beats Spielberg and he's at the Academy Award and

678
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: they're hugging, and I text him I'm watching it, and

679
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: then I go, Ben, tonight you could throw Spielberg's whole

680
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: family in the pool and get away with it. About

681
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: an hour later, phone rings, it's Affleck at the Academy.

682
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: He goes, that made me laugh. So I said, well,

683
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: just when I saw him hugging you, you know, I

684
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 3: told Stephen that story too.

685
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 5: I go, he goes, yeah, I think that night.

686
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: He's but it shows. It's just it just that was

687
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: like my one moment of dealing with those super hot shots.

688
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: And they were like great guys yet at the same

689
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: time assholes.

690
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: They were just like season they were like what for

691
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: a moment they were they were like everybody else, Well,

692
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. They could get over it.

693
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steven Spielberg is a genius and a great guy,

694
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 3: but he can be an asshole. And Ben Affleck is

695
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: a great guy and he could be a bigger asshole,

696
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: you know.

697
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 5: But by the.

698
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 3: Same token, both of them can go, yeah, I can

699
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: be an asshole, you know to me in that story,

700
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 3: if I had made a great movie, that story would

701
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: have been different.

702
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I made a come would have been different.

703
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: Maybe I made I made a boner, a stinker, you know.

704
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: I just it didn't come together. So that allowed everybody

705
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: to be kind of shrimpy around it, you know, so

706
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: that because you know, the thing is, they're not your friends.

707
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 5: They're not your friends. It's just business, you know.

708
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: I'll that's part.

709
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: Let me tell you. I'll tell you a really great story.

710
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 3: I was doing Indian Summer casting it and This is

711
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: when Katzenberg and Eisner loved me for like one minute

712
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: because they saw crossing the bridge at Eisner's house late

713
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: one night.

714
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: They said, that's our childhood.

715
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 5: Let's let's make a deal with this guy.

716
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: You remember this, And then I showed him this Summer

717
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: Camp script and there and Eisner was like, I went.

718
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 5: To Summer Camp. It's my life.

719
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, do it.

720
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: So I'm casting it and everybody's coming to read. And

721
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: John Travolta, who's cold as hell, cold as can be,

722
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 3: it's before pulp fiction.

723
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 5: Cold cold, cold, like ice.

724
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: Cube cold, comes in and he wants to read for

725
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: the part that they ended up having me use Vince

726
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 3: Bano for because he was in there Hit Alive that

727
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: had just come so and Vince did a good job,

728
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: but John wanted that role. And I would go like

729
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: every two weeks while we were casting this thing with

730
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: Bobby Neumayer and go up and meet with jeff Katzenberg

731
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: about the casting because he was heavily involved because he

732
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: really wanted to make sure my next movie was gonna

733
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: be a good movie, right, and he he Bobby said, well,

734
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to run John Travolta by Jeffrey they're

735
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: not gonna say yes to that. I said, well, I'll

736
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: talk to him, and Travolta comes in. He goes, I

737
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: would love to do this movie. Plus not only that,

738
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: it'd be here with Michael and Jeffrey. They're like family

739
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: to me. They're my uncle's. I did Greece, and I

740
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: did Saturday Night Fever, and I did all this stuff

741
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: over paramount with them. This is my family. It'd be

742
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: like coming home, right. So I go up there and

743
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm Bobby goes, all right, so tell me who you

744
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: want for the row of Matthew and I go I

745
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 3: think John Travolta would be really good, and kats me goes,

746
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: he's a bum. He's a he's a bum. Nobody wants

747
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: them unless he's Vinny Barberino. Nobody wants anything to do

748
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: with him. And I thought, right there, in that moment,

749
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: we wereized that's the difference. We fall in love with

750
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: each other and think, oh man, you know they're my uncles,

751
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: they're my cousins.

752
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: That's my buddy.

753
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: And they think, all right, I used him, he's done,

754
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: or I can keep using him. He's helping me. I'm

755
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: helping him. It's just business. If not he's a bum

756
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: and that was that cut and dry, and he didn't

757
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: have anything else to say about it. He goes and

758
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: again help fiction comes out. See on the Oscars, Jeffrey

759
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 3: Katzenberg's hugging John Travolta, And that's just the.

760
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 5: Way life is.

761
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: It's okay, Jeffrey Katzenberg is an asshole. Okay, that's never

762
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: gonna change.

763
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: I've never met the man I have.

764
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: He's an asshole, but he's also got a lot of

765
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: good qualities.

766
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 5: I can't none spring to mind, but.

767
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: Travolta is a great guy.

768
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: But you can also obviously he's just too romantic, you know,

769
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: And look at jeff Katzenburg made much smarter decisions in

770
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: his life than I have. Okay, so who's the asshole? Really?

771
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: Hey, we should do in the future again, I'm just

772
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: improvisationally coming up with a great idea, Mike, Okay, I

773
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: should do a romantic comedy with John Travolta in the future.

774
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: Matt like, now like and let him let him look

775
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: however he wants, let him just look however he wants. Look,

776
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: let him look however he wants. We'll work around it. Yeah,

777
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: I think, because because I met him once and I'm

778
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: a huge fan, and I think it would be like

779
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: a great buddy thing I could do with John Travolta.

780
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: You could come up with something, couldn't you. I loved

781
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: let's do something. I love John, but not like a

782
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: sci fi thing. I don't like when he does futuristic

783
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: sci fi. That's scared. That's that's the John Travolta. I

784
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: love no John Travoltas. I like him when he's cute

785
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: and sassy.

786
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: He's got so much talent. He's got beyond goddamn talent,

787
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: beyond and before my favorite, my favorite. I love when

788
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: I got an idea. We're walking down the street, you

789
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: and I and Albert Brooks when he came over to

790
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 3: my house and we walked with Albert Brooks, we're just

791
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: talking to me. He goes, Stevie goes, Albert.

792
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 5: I just had a great idea.

793
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: This is the one moment Mike Finder dreading.

794
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 5: He goes, let me pitch something to you?

795
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: Do you mind? And Alberts. I can just hear Albert's buttthole.

796
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: He was walking his dog.

797
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 3: It's it's like a sacred time we walked at night and.

798
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 5: Let me pitch something.

799
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: Can I pitch a project to you.

800
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 5: It's just you in.

801
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you do it. So we're walking and I

802
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: know Mike Binder a long time and he goes, hey,

803
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: so we're gonna hang out and then after the girls

804
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: can hang out our wives, but I gotta do this walk.

805
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: I go on this walk with John Favreau and Albert Brooks,

806
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: and Favreau's out of town. So like a dog, I'm going,

807
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: what do you mean, Mike? He goes, why don't you

808
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: come with me? And Albert I'm like, it's like the

809
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: wildest massive peak with Jedi mind trick of all time.

810
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going and then I become travolto, like

811
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: what you know. I'm just like, we're you know what.

812
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm like so cool? I know you well enough. So

813
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: we go on this walk. The amount of information pop

814
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: culturally that Albert Brooks.

815
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: Is we wait the best. Let me tell you the

816
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: best line, the opening line. And this is why Albert's

817
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: so brilliant and funny.

818
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: You eat the best.

819
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: Stevie and I come out of my front door. Albert

820
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: comes up with his dog and he goes, oh, you

821
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: said it was gonna be billy, Hey, how are you?

822
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Then he goes, oh, no, just kidding, Hey, how are you?

823
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 3: So?

824
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: We're walking like forty minutes and I'm just doing a

825
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: lot of listening, and finally I just I have to

826
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: blurt out just what I think maybe something Albert might appreciate.

827
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm swinging right, you know, I know how fast this

828
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: ball's coming, but I don't care. I go, just what

829
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: you said, I go, mister Brooks, one second. Mike begged

830
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: me not to do this, but I'm serious. I think,

831
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: just quick pitch, here we go. I think, what do

832
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: you think of the sound of this idea for you

833
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: as a future project? Ready? Albert Brooks an imax, you

834
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: just hear footsteps for like six eight eleven steps, you know,

835
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: and Mike's sake, Imax, you.

836
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 5: Know what, I tell him what he said?

837
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: Just say it? Tell him what Albert said.

838
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 6: No, you say, because it sounds like I'd have to

839
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 6: leave the house? No, correct, He goes, would I have

840
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 6: to leave the house? I'm going to say that fast forward.

841
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 6: You literally, it's me with a legend and a legend,

842
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 6: and you know, and I just thought, I just want

843
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 6: to see what But Albert's reaction to this, and his

844
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 6: response is what I have to leave the house in

845
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 6: order to do something called imax.

846
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: That's what he said, right, No, he's just one time

847
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: I'm walking with him, there's only one. Well, the first

848
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: time I have the first time I ever walked with him.

849
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: And then I'm living in the neighborhood. He moves in

850
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: about eight doors down and all of a sudden, I'm

851
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: on my porch when I spoke in a cigar and

852
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: he walks over and he goes, Mike, I heard you

853
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 3: lived here.

854
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 5: How you doing. Yeah, and that's how you met him.

855
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: No, I'd met him a couple of times earlier, but

856
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 3: that's how Yeah, your house.

857
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

858
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 3: So we just started on these nightly walks in and

859
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: John joined us, and Diane calls it jew jogging, Jewish jogging,

860
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: you know. But but he the first time we everyone

861
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 3: on a walk together at night, he stops next to

862
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: this construction. Uh, you know the crates that they the

863
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 3: big what are the canisters that they put there, you know,

864
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: you're talking about like when they're building a house, they

865
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: put they bring these containers containers, and he just stops

866
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 3: and he looks at it for a minute and he goes, I.

867
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 5: Don't like the new Fords. He just walks. He just

868
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 5: and he he makes us laugh so hard.

869
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: He just wild, he says the most.

870
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: He was talking the night that the Row versus.

871
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: Way Roe versus Wade band came out. He said, He goes,

872
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: I don't know why everyone's making a big deal about this.

873
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: Here's what you do.

874
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: You have everybody on a cruise ship right off thing,

875
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: go off shore and get your abortions. And here's the tagline.

876
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: It's the only cruise you'll ever go on. You'll come

877
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: home eight pounds lighter. He's sick, and he.

878
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: Just like, I go, did you write that? Beheaded that?

879
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 5: And he goes, no, I.

880
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 3: Just thought of it.

881
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: You called Steven Spielberg an aholt.

882
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 3: So he is ken can be. But it's okay.

883
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 5: He's a human being.

884
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: But that's the difference between me and you. See you

885
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: can you can do that? Why no? I can't.

886
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it's.

887
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: Look it. I don't care. I don't care.

888
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 3: It's a true story.

889
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 5: He knows it.

890
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 3: He knows the story. He'll be happy to hear it.

891
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: If he hears it.

892
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: You know, all right, thank you again. I love you

893
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: to die pleasure. You're the funniest mother. Effort. Now after me.

894
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 5: After you I was gonna say, what can you talk about?

895
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: What's coming up for you? What can you just as

896
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: we say goodbye here, what are some projects you can

897
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: talk about.

898
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 3: I just doing a lot of stand up comedy. I'm

899
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: getting ready to make another movie that I'm really excited about,

900
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 3: but I don't want to talk about. Okay, and then

901
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: after that, but that's a big movie. Yeah, it's a

902
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 3: big movie.

903
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: That's all I'm going to say for people.

904
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 3: And I'm just really really loving stand up comedy again.

905
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: I stopped doing stand up for twenty eight years. I

906
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 3: started when I was seventeen. I was one of the

907
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: youngest comedians ever to be on The Tonight Show. I

908
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: had my own HBO specials. I just did everything, you know,

909
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: as a young guy, toured the country as opening act

910
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: for some big stars and played club for who named

911
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 3: one or two please the Pointer Sisters, Kenny Loggins, that's

912
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 3: a yeah, I mean, I opened for God, I opened

913
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: for Miles Davis when I was a kid. Wow, you know,

914
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: I mean, But but I just was all too young,

915
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 3: and by the time I was thirty, I was done.

916
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 3: I was making movies. I started making movies and having babies,

917
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: and it just I was so obsessed with it for

918
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: so many years, and then I just burned out on it.

919
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: And then twenty eight years later, twenty twenty twenty six

920
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: years later, I got an income and call to make

921
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 3: a five parts documentary for Showtime about the Comedy Store.

922
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: And I went back there to like my old college,

923
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 3: and saw how vital and alive the stand up comedy

924
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 3: world was again r and I started directing a lot

925
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: of specials for Netflix, you know, and I just got

926
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: you got the buggy. One night I went up on

927
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 3: stage on a benefit, I wrote teen minutes a new material,

928
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: and the next morning it was like guys in the

929
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 3: alley for time spots again. You know.

930
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 5: It's like a hair.

931
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: I was a heroin Addicts, you know, and uh, you know,

932
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: it's it's uh, it's it's. It's been an incredible journey

933
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: because sometimes I walk into a club, a comedy club,

934
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 3: and they go.

935
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you're a legend. You want to go up,

936
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 5: you want to jump up.

937
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: And then sometimes I walk into a comedy club and

938
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: they go, sir, do you have a ticket? You know,

939
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, It's I'm like, some people

940
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 3: know me, some people don't know me. And and you

941
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: know it's starts over.

942
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: You know what's cool is the specificity of the expression

943
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: when you say stand up. It's different. It's the different

944
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: you know kung fu and uh uh. I just think,

945
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, uh not just the documentaries, but like I said,

946
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: you have many more films in you. But I think

947
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: you're You're really heartfelt. You know, you know, well told

948
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: stories are are your greatest uh acumen and uh, congratulations

949
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: on your next film. That's all I'm gonna say. You

950
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: heard it here first. Mike's doing a big film. I'm

951
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: shutting up. Love you, buddy, Thank you, so.

952
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 5: Bad up guilty manness this on this, it's so bad.

953
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: It's one bad deal.