1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Zaxby's d J. Buck back with you here as we 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: head towards Week thirteen of the NFL season. Buck, How 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: you doing, man Man? I am great, dj Um. I 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: think it has been a great week. I think the 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: responses from our conversations talking about head coaches was very, 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: very well received. Just watching Twitter timeline and seeing some 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: of the mentions and things and some of the characteristics. 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: I think is one of those things. When we talked 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: about a head coach, we're really talking about a leader, 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: and I think it really resonated with a lot of people. 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: So I enjoy doing deep dives on that subject matter. 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: I look forward to when the change is inevitably happened. 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Uh coming up in the next few weeks, to just 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: talk about the musical chairs and how we think these 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: new coaches are going to change the cultures that they Inherry. 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: I want to piggyback on that here in just a second, 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: although I want to, I want to let everybody know 20 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: what's coming up on the episode. We've got Jeremy Chen 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: who was the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month for 22 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: October and really a front runner here, one of the 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: main candidates to be the NFL Defensive Rookie of the 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Year with the year he's had. He's gonna join us. 25 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna get a chance to talk to him about 26 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: what his rookie season has been like. Um. But before 27 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: we get there, I want to tag what you just 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: said there because it was such a fun discussion talking 29 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: about the qualities that we want and a head coach. 30 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: I laid out my qualities, you laid out your qualities. 31 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: It was fun back and forth and I actually uh 32 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: sent it to a couple of guys, a couple a 33 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: couple of gms, as well as some some personnel directors. 34 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: He said, give me your thoughts here. What what do 35 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: we miss? Him and sent him send him that and 36 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: so here's here's one response. I got back on to 37 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: read you this text. Uh, wow, you just got my 38 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: juices flowing. Um, onto run with my dog. It's now 39 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: turned into a walk. I almost wish I didn't see 40 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: it until you until I was done. Uh. One of 41 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: those where I wish I had a keyboard instead of 42 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: a phone. But I'll keep it brief. A lot of 43 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: these crossover and can fit multiple categories. Um, So he 44 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: has leadership, communicate, be honest, also authentic, be real, tell 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: players the ruth and the reasons behind decisions, be able 46 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: to be consistent and face the team every day. Let 47 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: them know what what will take to win in the 48 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: overall scheme of things versus each opponent. So that was 49 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: the first one. The second one was communicate, also being honest. 50 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: This word honesty keeps coming up. Um, listen be ego 51 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: lists don't have all the answers and involve multiple people 52 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: and decisions, including players to get different points of view 53 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: in order to ultimately come to the best decisions for 54 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: the team. And then lastly was innovate scheme not so 55 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: much being a genius, but being open and again ego 56 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: less to evolving, getting new ideas, using other good ideas, 57 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: and being able to incorporate it into your foundation on 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: offense and defense to find ways to beat your opponent 59 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: each week. Um. I can go on and on, probably 60 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: a lot more that I left off than I put there, 61 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: but the most important would be leadership, communication, and humility. 62 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: So honesty and humility came up A bunch buck Okay, so, 63 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: but you know what those two things actually relate to. 64 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: What they actually add up to authenticity. See, because like 65 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: when you were being um humble and you're being truthful, 66 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're being your true self, Like 67 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: you're not putting on an act. You're letting people know 68 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: this is how I really feel. And people can respect 69 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: a genuine nature from a coach. I think the other 70 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: things that that came out um in that discussion or 71 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: or the series of text that you read DJ, I 72 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: think they're more general managers who want a cooperation with 73 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: their head coach, meaning they not only want to be 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: in lockster with the head coach, but they would like 75 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: the head coach to be open to hearing ideas from everyone. 76 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: And it's funny. I just had a conversation that we 77 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: just do this thing with the team Tuesday nights where 78 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: we do these leadership things where we just kind of 79 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: watch videos or whatever. So we watched the video from 80 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs, and Steve Jobs was talking about the coaches 81 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: that they created at Apple and he said, great ideas 82 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: can come from anywhere. I'm not the one that is 83 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: the captain of the idea trained. What I do is 84 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: anybody can solicit it and if it's a great idea, 85 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: we'll put it into place. And I think head coaches 86 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: have to have enough humility to understand that they're not 87 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: the gatekeeper to all of the ideas that they can 88 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: come from another place. We want to vet those ideas 89 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: and make sure that it makes sense based on what 90 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: we're doing and what we want the team to ultimately do. 91 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: But I think you should be a little open and 92 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: receptive to that. I think that the years of it 93 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: being a dictatorship as a head coach have opened up. 94 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: I think it's really a democracy. Yes, you ultimately are 95 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: the decision maker, but I think it it operates best 96 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: when you do solicit ideas from others in the organization 97 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: so you can have all the information to make the 98 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: best decision for the team. I want to give one 99 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: other piece of feedback. We got on this because again 100 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: I talked to gms UM and had some personnel directors 101 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: sending notes. Another GM we had a conversation about it. 102 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: He just talked about He really stressed the communication side 103 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: of it, you know, communication with your players, your fellow coaches, 104 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: people in the personnel, even put the media in there. 105 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Being able to effectively communicate with all those people. But 106 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: here's someone that I respect as much as anybody that 107 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: we work with. And I think about one of the 108 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: best athletes that we work with, and I'm not talking 109 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: about you know. We we love Kurt, we love Mike. 110 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: Stacy Dale is as good athlete as we have a group. 111 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: And she so after we tweet this out, she she 112 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: sent to me U adding, if I may, in all 113 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: caps defined roles, and I thought, you know what, Stacy 114 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: nailed that. That's that's a that's a great thing. And 115 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of what that that text messages that I 116 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: read off talked a little bit about that. But being 117 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: able to not only set expectations for individuals, but to 118 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: define roles. Here's where you are going to be doing 119 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: for us right now. Dominate that role and you mean, 120 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: I love it and and and part of that has 121 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: to deal with UH when the coaches being honest. He 122 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: has to also be able to embrace confrontation, and that 123 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: confrontation doesn't have to be acrimonious, but you have to 124 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: have those hard conversations, and the conversation that you have 125 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: to have with certain players is here's where we are 126 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: right now. Here's how we see you. Your role where 127 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: you can best help the team right now is whatever 128 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: this is. It may be a I need you to 129 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: be a dominant player on our special teams while you 130 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: continue to give reps and get better and positioning yourself 131 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: to be in every down player. But until then, I 132 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: need you to dominate as a bullet on kickoff. I 133 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: need you to be one of the best hold up 134 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: guys that we have on part return, whatever that is. 135 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: And when coaches are able to clearly tell the player 136 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: exactly what you spect from them and what you want 137 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: from them, you the player may not always like it, 138 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: but he would go and do exactly what you have 139 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: to do because he knows exactly what it is. It 140 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: has to be very clear and very concise what you 141 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: expect from him. Yeah, it was interesting some of the 142 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: feedback we get on social media, which was outside of 143 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: the football world, saying you know, hey, I work in uh, 144 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, in business, and this is just it's the same. 145 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: It all carries over, it all crosses over. That's what 146 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: you want from your leaders, it really is DJ and 147 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: I think, um, there's a reason why you see so 148 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: many coaches write books and so many coaches read leadership 149 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: books because there is the crossover. What you're trying to 150 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: do is you're trying to get a group of individuals 151 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: to head in the right direction. And a lot of times, 152 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: well I would say more times than not, it has 153 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: little to do with schemes and taxes. Has more to 154 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: do with your ability to connect and to convey the 155 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: vision that you have for the organization. And if you 156 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: can clearly do that and lay out the plan and 157 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: put together processes to make the plan work, you'll win 158 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: a ton of games and you succeed in all aspects. 159 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: But it's your ability to communicate that with confidence and 160 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: also have I don't want to say, like a backup plan, 161 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: but also know when I need to tweak the plan 162 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: to make it the best plan for what we have 163 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: and the people that we have in the organization. Yeah, 164 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: I know. I think it's fantastic. Man, it's a fun 165 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: it's a fun topic. You can tell with the two 166 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: of us that are do just get flowing too when 167 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: we start talking about the leadership and trying to find 168 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: the right guys for these organizations. So I have something 169 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: for you. UM. This won't necessarily deal with UM pro 170 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: but this will deal with college. I was on a 171 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: zoom call last night with a coaches Association, the National 172 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: Coalition of Minority Football Coaches, and last night, in that conversation, 173 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: one of the guys said that the number one question 174 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: that is going to be asked by A d S 175 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: this year how did you handle COVID? Nine teams with 176 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: your team? How did you handle COVID? What steps did 177 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: you put in place to help your team navigate through 178 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: a pandemic? And what they want to see is as 179 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: a leader, how did you change? How did you how 180 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: did you how did you deal with things when it 181 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: wasn't perfect? And I thought that is I was like, wow, 182 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: that is a great question. That is something that like 183 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: you really have to think about because everyone had to 184 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: be adaptable and flexible. And even talking to Brian Kelly 185 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago when he talked about how 186 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: it changed and how some of those things were for 187 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: the better when it came to relate and how it 188 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: revealed the culture of your program. We revealed how closely 189 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: you paid attention to details. I think a d S 190 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: and leaders which are and ascertain how how attention to 191 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: detail oriented are you? Do you really pay close attention 192 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: to the little things so that the big things naturally come. Yeah. 193 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: That's good stuff, man, This is uh again. It gets 194 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: me excited just learning and when you talk about that 195 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: stuff and the coaches you've been talking to Bucket, I 196 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: learned and it's it's awesome. Um all R. Let's let's 197 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: get to our conversation here with our guests for the day. 198 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: One of the top rookies in National Football League again, 199 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: a leading candidate here to be the NFL Defensive Rookie 200 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: of the Year, a guy we got a chance to 201 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: to meet and know a little bit at the recent 202 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and has just done nothing but explode on 203 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: the scene at the National Football League level. Here's our 204 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: conversation with Carolina Panthers do everything Jeremy Chen. Alright, but 205 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: I excited to be joined by our next guest here. 206 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: It's it's a guy we're a big fan of going 207 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: through the ALF process who's having a phenomenal rookie year 208 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: coming off his best game. And that's Jeremy Chen with 209 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. Jeremy, how you doing, Man? Doing great? Danny, 210 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on today. Man, Uh, it's great 211 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: to see you. Man. It's been fun to watch it. 212 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: I remember, uh, you know, going through that draft process, 213 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: seeing you down there mobile and then to see you 214 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: landing and just a perfect spot and to watch your 215 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: game just take off. What is just the last year 216 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: of your life been like, man, it's been it's been crazy. 217 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: On top of just the pre JOFT process and now 218 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, my my well ricky year, on top of 219 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: COVID and everything like it's it's something like I couldn't 220 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: even imagine, you know, and thinking about COVID and challenges 221 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: that that presented you guys weren't able to get together. 222 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: You didn't have mini camps and O t a s 223 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: as a young player. How do you get ready to 224 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: make the transition from college to the NFL without having 225 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: all of those resources available to you. Yeah, you just 226 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: gotta take, you know, what you have and just using 227 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: most of it. So with the you know, the online 228 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: O t a s and stuff like that, just knocking 229 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: those out, taking advantage of those, taking those serious and 230 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: learning as much as you can with the you know, 231 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: circumstances that you're given. I'm curious when the first time, 232 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, you come into the building, there a coach 233 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: rule and with your background, corner safety, all different positions 234 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: you were able to play in college, and your skill 235 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: set is so unique. Um, that first meeting you had 236 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: with them, when they did they kind of lay out 237 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: what their vision was for you and what your role 238 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: would be here in your rookie year. Yeah. Actually I 239 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: talked to Snow, um really over the summers when week 240 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: I should started talking about what I was gonna do 241 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: on the field, and the way he talked to me 242 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: like he was, you know, pretty much gonna move me 243 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: all over the place. And I got really excited hearing 244 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: that because I did a lot of that stuff in college. 245 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, after hearing that, I was excited. 246 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: You know, how hard is is that to do? Because 247 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: like a lot of times as scouts, we project guys 248 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: to do multiple things. But how hard is it from 249 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: a learning capacity to learn all the different roles and 250 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: responsibilities that you have on that defense? Um, I wouldn't 251 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: say it. I mean it is hard. There's obviously a 252 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: learning curve, especially I'm from you know, FCS to the 253 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: NFL level now, Um, but I mean, really, coach Snow 254 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: does a phenomenal job. I'll hopem does a phenomenal job. 255 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: Making sure that you know, I'm I'm aware of where 256 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be and where the guys around here 257 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: are supposed to be. So you know, even even if 258 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, if I know that, like what the 259 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: guy nice to me is supposed to be doing a 260 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: certain thing, I know I can make him right. So yeah, 261 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: it works out. Jeremy, I know how competitive you are, 262 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: and you know, I remember saying it on the night 263 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: of the draft when uh, you know, when Carolina had 264 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: that decision to make and we were all talking about 265 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: is it gonna be Isaiah Simmons, Is it gonna be 266 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Derek Brown? They go with Derek Brown, They're able to 267 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: come back and get you. And I remember saying, we're 268 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: saying at the time, like, man, they've they've you know, 269 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: they've got the versatility of Isaiah Simmons here and Jeremy Chin, 270 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: and it's turned out through where we are you you've 271 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: played much better than he has. Have you kept up 272 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: with him and followed him or some of the other 273 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: rookies around the league that we're in your class. Yeah, 274 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean in pre draft process, that's all I heard about, 275 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, Isaiah and Junior and all that stuff. I'm 276 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: not gonna lie ate me alive. But you know, now 277 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: I really don't have, you know, much to say about 278 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: that stuff. You know, I think the players spoke for itself. Um. 279 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: You know, the really only guy I've really kept up 280 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: with his antem just because we're in the same conference 281 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: so I get to see him a lot more. But um, 282 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean that's pretty much what I say. 283 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: But you know it's funny. Um, there are a lot 284 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: of people that were curious about Matt Rule when he 285 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: took the job, and you are now a member of 286 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, can you talk a little bit about 287 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: the culture that he has created in Carolina. Yeah, Now, 288 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: Coach Rule he comes in, and I mean, we have 289 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: a process, we have a brand, and you know, we've 290 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: got a strong formula here in Carolina. Is starting to 291 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: shape up. Guys are starting to believe in it. And 292 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: I think the future is really bright. I'm you know, 293 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I like playing for um for Coach Rule. 294 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: I think he has a locker room and so, you know, 295 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: I think the future is right here. One of the 296 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: things that you know, we've got to know Coach Rule 297 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: over the years, but one of the things and talking 298 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: to some other people that have been around him for 299 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: the first time this year and you're building have said, 300 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: what's blown him away is his ability to kind of 301 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: coach every position. Have you seen that? Have you seen 302 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: that first hand? Where he's kind of getting involved in 303 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: different position groups and trying to help and in each 304 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: and every side of the ball there. Yeah, he'll talk. 305 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: He'll talk about every every position group, every every room, 306 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: um and team being in on the field. So he'll 307 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: go up and he'll he'll coach some some type of 308 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: detail about everybody. So now he's definitely involved on both 309 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: sides of the ball. You know, Jeremy, A lot of 310 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: times when guys make the transition from college to the pros, there, 311 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I guess kind of overwhelmed by the level of detail 312 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: that is needed to succeed in the pros. Have you 313 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: seen that the attention to detail is really a top 314 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: priority when it comes to preparing and getting yourself ready 315 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: to play. Yeah, it's everything you know, Uh, come from 316 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: s I U. I was able to rely on my 317 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: athletic ability a whole lot, and so detail wasn't necessarily 318 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: a big priority. Um been here coming here into everything 319 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I've been saved by detail, by some 320 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: of my effort and players at times, but um, not 321 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: detail is huge. Well man, you haven't. You're hav an 322 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: unbelievable year. I mean absolutely in the mixed of the 323 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year here in the National Football League 324 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: with what you've done. But I'm curious you mentioned there 325 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: about Southern Illinois that the level you came from obviously 326 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: dominated that level. Um, you get a chance to step 327 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: up in the Senior Bowl, have a great week there. 328 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: But I'm just curious that that first practice when you 329 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: saw number twenty two on the other side of the 330 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, what was it like? What was it 331 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: like when you kind of have that moment of like, okay, 332 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: this is a little different deal now. Yeah, I was excited. 333 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going against Christian. Man, it's the 334 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: best of the best. It is only gonna make me better. 335 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: So every opportunity that I got, I was I was coming. 336 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Like I saw I thought to him Field, I knew 337 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: I had to bring everything. So I love going against 338 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: Christian and Camp things like that. He has some pretty 339 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: good matchups. You know. I have to ask you about 340 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback Tenny Bridgewater. Um, having known him personally, you know, 341 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: I love his leadership style and his ability. What is 342 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: he brought to the locker room? What what kind of 343 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: guy is he in the locker room amongst the fellas. 344 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: The guys love him. The guys, I mean, we we 345 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: love him, we trust him. Um, I mean you see 346 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: him play, he gets, he gets everything that he has, 347 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: Like I don't know if you saw the fourth down 348 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: in Kansas City, like him just diving like he's gonna 349 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: give everything that he's got and you guys can get 350 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: behind that. What does this team need to do? I mean, 351 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: you guys have been in You guys have been almost 352 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: every game. You guys been competitive. I think everybody would 353 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: kind of say, from what the expectations are you guys 354 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of schedule? Um, but you guys 355 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: are you know, I know you want to chase championships. 356 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: I know Coach Rule wants to chase championships. Just on 357 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: your side of the ball defensively, Uh, what are the 358 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: areas you know you guys need to address to to 359 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: improve and get yourself to a championship level. Yeah, we 360 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: just gotta take that next step. The next step is 361 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: just finishing games, closing out games. We've gotten better against 362 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: the run, We've gotten better at third down the past 363 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: few weeks. So the next step is just you know, 364 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: closing them out and being able to win games the 365 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: hard way. When we're up, then you know, and then 366 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: we'll roll through pretty pretty, you know, smoothly. But when 367 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: we've got to, you know, face the university throughout the game, 368 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: those are the games that we gotta be able to finish. 369 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: What about you from a personal though, how do you 370 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: want to finish the season. What are some of the 371 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: personal things that you would like to complish the last 372 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: four or five games of the season. Uh, one win. 373 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: I know that's not necessarily personal, but I want to 374 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: win out. Um see where the rest of the season goes. 375 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: Let the you know, as far as they may. But um, 376 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, personally, I just wanna, you know, continue to 377 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: affect the game, affect the game in more ways. Uh. 378 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: This weekend, you know, I added some some tools in 379 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: my toolbox. So I just continue to learn from those 380 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: things and can see to you know, add things to 381 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: my game these past fort or these last four games. 382 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: Jeremy help us, help us on the scouting side of things. 383 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: Here with where the game is. You've seen it now, 384 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: you've been in the league for a little bit. Um, 385 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: the you know, the ability is at the linebacker position 386 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: or the safety position. What would you say are kind 387 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: of the two or three things that you've got to 388 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: have to be able to hold up and to be 389 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: competitive with those positions. Lineback position, you gotta have good hands. Um. 390 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: You know me, I'm not I'm not the biggest lineback 391 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: here out there, but when you go against uh, these linement, 392 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: you gotta be able to you know, shoot hands to 393 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: be able to step blocks. So I would say hands 394 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: are you know, extremely important. Um As you gotta have 395 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: soft eyes cross key explain that. Explain soft eyes because 396 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: I think some people that are watching the listener don't 397 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: don't know what that means. Yeah, a lot of guys 398 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: are just you know, maybe locking the one thing, uh 399 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: locking and say if they're guarding the tight end, maybe 400 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: just eyes in the tight end. Um, but you kind 401 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: of got to see the whole the whole backfield, the 402 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: whole picture, be able to see a pooler. So it's 403 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: kind of you're just having soft out. That's how I 404 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: don't know, That's how I explain it. That's how I 405 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: uh So soft eyes, I would say those are the 406 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: two things soft eyes and hands at the lineback position. Um, 407 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's that's that really carries through football. Uh, 408 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: safety position obviously you know tackling. Yeah, that's everything. Tackling 409 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: and arranged speed, depth vision, you know, Jeremy, like we 410 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: we've seen we've seen more safeties slash linebackers, hybrids used 411 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: as blitzers or pass rushers. What is that like in 412 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: terms of attacking off the edge and trying to maneuver 413 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: around blockers because that's something that has not done a 414 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: lot for us in the back end. Yeah, you gotta, 415 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: you gotta have a move. You gotta have a counter move, 416 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: um me. I like I used my speed a lot 417 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: so uh and sometimes you know, early on in the season, 418 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: I was kind of getting pushed by so I had 419 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: to you know, use a counter use my hands, maybe 420 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: long arm or spin. So um you know that's something 421 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm also just trying to add to my tool bucks 422 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: some you know, pass rush moves and be able to 423 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback more effective than last question for me. Man, 424 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: you've been generous with your time. We appreciate you. Um 425 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned it just briefly, but when you think about 426 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: Defensive Rookie of the Year, I think back to Darius 427 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: Leonard who came into the league with a chip on 428 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: his shoulder, wasn't a first round pick, you know, didn't 429 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: come from the Division one level and just came in 430 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: and ripped it up and dominate, ended up taking home 431 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: that award, winning the Defensive Rookie of the Year. Um, 432 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: what would it mean to you to win that award? 433 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: And uh it was that on your checklist this year 434 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: as you find yourself very much in the thick of 435 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: the race. Yeah, it would mean a lot. It would 436 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: be huge to an out a word. Um. You know, 437 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: that's been my goal ever since drive Day, ever since 438 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: I heard my name called. You know, I put it 439 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: on the background on my phone. I see it every 440 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: time I pick up my phone, just a reminder like hey, 441 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: you got you got somewhere to be so Um. But 442 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: now it would mean a lot, not just for me, 443 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: but you know, the people back home, back in Indiana, 444 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: people back in Carbon It's a lot bigger than me. Alright, 445 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: Black what a stud huh? I mean, just a total 446 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: stud of a kid. Awesome awesome kid. DJ. I think 447 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: what the lesson to be learned in and in just 448 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: the conversation that we had with Jeremy Chen. UM, it's 449 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: really important that you get to know players in the 450 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: pre draft process because Jeremy chen comes from a situation 451 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: where sometimes you would pause a guy being an FCS 452 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: program moving up to the National Football League, how long 453 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: will it take him to adapt and adjust? But in 454 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: talking to him you understand one from an IQ standpoint, 455 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: he is there too. From UM a work ethic and 456 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: just an overall understanding of how to get yourself of ready. 457 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: He is there. Three. I think the humility in terms 458 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: of knowing that I don't have all the answers, even 459 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: though I was big time at my previous level, I 460 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: have to really learn and embrace the process to become 461 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: a great player at this level. UM, it's it's just 462 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: is another example of why UM when scouting, it's more 463 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: than the film work. It's more than looking at how 464 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: guys work out. It is really about understanding who the 465 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: player is, what motivates them, and is that motivation going 466 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: to be sustainable as they become a high level player. 467 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: I actually wrote this down because he always kind of 468 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: come with these little creative things here. But um man, 469 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: this is a good idea for players. We need to 470 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: find out what the ideas for players and what I 471 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: mean by I d I wrote down intelligent and driven 472 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: because when we talked to Jeremy chin Buck, that was 473 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: my two takeaways there. This dude is extremely intelligent and 474 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: he is extremely driven. And I love the the little 475 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: the little anecdote. He just kind of slipped it in there. 476 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't think he meant for it to be a 477 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: big deal. But when he said on his phone that 478 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: he had on there basically his goal to be the 479 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: NFL defensive Rookie of the year, um it reminded me. 480 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: My brother in law is a is a competitive runner. 481 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: He's retired now. He went to four Olympic trials in 482 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: the marathon four. I think he's the only guy in 483 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: history to go to four Olympic trials in the marathon 484 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: for for Americans. Um and he's a world record holder 485 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: in the fifty ks. A distance runner. But his his 486 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: to unlock his phone, all of his bank account, every 487 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: password he ever had was what his goal was to 488 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: run in the marathon whatever that time wasn't remember what 489 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: it is. That was literally his thing for everything and 490 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: it was just a daily reminder every time he was 491 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: to get on his phone or go to the bank 492 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: or do this or that. It was, you know, that 493 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: was his goal and it was front and center every day. 494 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: I thought him putting that thing on his phone that 495 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: didn't that wasn't a minor thing to me, that that 496 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: means something. You know, that means something, because why why 497 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: does he need to share there with us? Like to me, 498 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: that's who he really is. Like we we've talked about 499 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: it earlier. We're talking about coaches in authenticity and being 500 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: who you are. I think he was letting us know 501 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: exactly who he is and how he's motivated DJ. One 502 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: thing that we're learning, um that's coming out. The best 503 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: players in this game they love it, and they love 504 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: it not because of the money and the other stuff 505 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: that comes along with it. They love it because they 506 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: want to be the best at and they want to 507 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: leave a legacy of some sort when they're done. And 508 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: that comes from their ability to lock in, to focus 509 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: on the smaller goals that are in front of them. 510 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: That leads to larger goals. And so as we get 511 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: to this process and we think about one class and 512 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: we have opportunities to interview guys. I'm gonna poke the buttons. 513 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna really try and get up under the hood 514 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: and really see what motivates the guys beyond the surface 515 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: answers that they give us. But if we can really 516 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: pull out, Okay, why are you motivated? You talked about 517 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: the I d Can we really see what their idea is, 518 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: what what's really in them, what drives them, and do 519 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: they have enough of it to really sustain their success 520 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: at the next level. I know what, He's an impressive 521 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: impressive dude. The Carolina Panthers. They got a good one. 522 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: I thought so. Thought it was interesting. Isaiah Simmons portion 523 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: of that conversation off a little bit. Yeah, the conversation 524 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: is there, and I think with everybody, we've seen enough 525 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: guys come through the network that remember where they're ranked 526 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: and where they are, and everyone can recall how many 527 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: guys were picked ahead of them. And we k Metcalf 528 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, certain what certain people said, and I 529 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: do believe you know, we we talked about the Jeremy 530 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: Chen Isaiah Simmons conversation, and he felt like it should 531 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: have been a closer or more in depth conversation than 532 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: it was and we're seeing right now at least early 533 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: the results. So he Jeremy Chin is a baller and 534 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: he should have been in that conversation, and maybe you 535 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: shouldn't have got more love along the way. If you 536 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: go back and look at those testing numbers, I mean, 537 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: it's almost identical what what he was able to do. 538 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: He was phenomenal at the combine. Um. All right, a 539 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: little bit of an abbreviated episode today, apologize you guys, 540 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: not as long as it normally is, UM, But it 541 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Get a chance to talk 542 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: about coaching, get a chance to visit with one of 543 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: the top young players in the NFL. Anything you want 544 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: to add before we get out of here, Buck, No, 545 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: it's fantastic, man. I'm really excited about what Jeremy Chin 546 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: was able to ring. And I think his insight, UM 547 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: should let maybe Aspira Scals or whatever understand exactly the 548 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: kind of player that you're looking for the d n 549 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: A when we talk about like these these mantres and 550 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: these things that we've been taught along the way and 551 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: evaluating players. Jeremy Chen embodies a lot of that and 552 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 1: it comes out in this conversation, no doubt. All right, 553 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: Well that's gonna do it for today. I want to 554 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for hanging with us. 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