WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Dyatlov Pass Incident 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.600 our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.280 of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.639 a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.520 for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.040 remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.480 mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.880 all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.880 if you had listened to what we're calling the last 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.639 twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.160 music and sound effects are gone. 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But we usually don't succeed anyway. 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:29.120 My name is Joe, and in this podcast we're going 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:33.480 to tackle our toughest mystery ever, which was why did 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:43.000 anybody ever buy a pet rock? Okay, okay, just kidding, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.480 and if you're one of those people, please don't be kidding. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.640 All right, Well, we're actually going to talk about is 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.840 a little incident that one of our listeners recommended to us, uh, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.920 the Outloft Pass incident, which happened in Russia and the 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.640 Ural Mountains back in It's one of those big mysterious 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.320 things that's rocketed around the Internet, and of course it 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.000 was rocketing around before the Internet existed, so there was 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.959 a lot of speculation even way back in the day 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.440 as to exactly what did in these nine intrepid ski 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.400 hikers in Russia. A little background. These guys were their 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.760 Their leader was Igor I'm not gonna try to pronounce 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.200 his middle name, Igor the out Loft. He was twenty 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.560 three years old. He was the organizer and leader of 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.920 the group. Uh. And there were nine other people, one 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.000 of whom dropped out due to illness, seven men and 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.760 two women, and they headed off into the northern Urals 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:40.720 to a place called the Mountain of the Dead. Yeah, 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.200 it's like one of those things, Hey, what do you 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:44.480 say you want to go for a little hike to 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.679 the Mountain of the Dead, and you're like, yeah, what 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.720 could possibly go wrong? Yeah, Now it's apparently it's it's 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.960 actually Dead Mountain and the local dialect of the local 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.920 natives there, and it doesn't really mean like you're gonna 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.560 eye if you're gonna go there. It's not quite like 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.720 Skull Island. Apparently, it means that it's kind of a 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.959 place where nothing's really going on from their point of view. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:08.680 If you know, if you can't go up there and 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.480 kill animals for food and pelts, then it's really kind 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.840 of useless. So they called a dead Mountain because this 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.280 wasn't so good. I know, I know, I love Mountain 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.080 of the Dead and all that stuff. That was that 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.480 was very cool, Yeah, I know, it's very cool. The 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.160 expedition was actually to reach a mountain somewhat beyond the 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.480 Mountain of the Dead, and this was just a little waist, 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.720 a little just a little stop over for the night 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.200 on their journey, and they were practicing for a more 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.440 arctic expedition. They were actually getting a little practice for 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.840 a serious, serious, like really kick ass expedition. Uh. And 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.120 it was really tells you something about these guys. They 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.400 must have been really hardy people to go off and 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.320 just say it's gonna be a little practice run and 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.320 then head up a mountain side of deep deep snow 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.680 and camp overnight and all this stuff and we were 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.920 gonna be gone for days in the winter time. That 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.720 they did this too. Yeah, yeah, it was that was 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.680 they actually was they let in. They actually set out 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.240 in late January, and they were due to arrive back 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:10.800 in about February eleven, and of course they were overdue 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.440 getting back, but people were too alarmed because expeditions like 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.680 this can be laid obviously, and so but after a 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.880 while people started sending out the alarm because these guys 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.960 had not returned, and so eventually a search party was 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:31.080 organized and sent up there. Eventually involved aircraft, helicopters, etcetera. 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.920 And they eventually found one of their tents. The tent 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.359 was in the snow. It had been It was on 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.400 the hillside, about a mile above the tree line, on 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.920 the hillside of this mountain, the Mountain of the Dead. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:48.680 If I didn't mention that before, Yeah, And interestingly, the 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.960 tents had been slashed. I think they found one tent 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.320 and then they found, to believe another, And that's one 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.360 of the frustrating things about about investigating this thing, is like, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.720 I don't know how many tents there were. Some refer 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.920 to just one tent, as if they all slept in 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.960 one giant tent, but looking at the pictures, it doesn't 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:07.640 look like any of the tents were big enough for 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.280 all the entire groups. So I believe there were two 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.039 or three or four tents, but I'm not really sure. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.240 It's frustrating. I mean, we'll have to travel to Russia 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:20.720 really find it. Well, it is in Soviet Russia during 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.320 the Cold War era, so a lot of suppressing details 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.039 that in reports that have eventually surfaced still hit and 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.720 miss things missing. So yeah, I wondered that too when 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.920 I saw the pictures. So how long did it take 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.159 before the rescuers finally found them? It was about three weeks, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.559 and they found the tent. They went down. They found 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.800 footprints radiating away from the tents heading down the hill. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:51.120 Footprints like bootprints, but or like footprints footprints. You know, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.240 it's again after several weeks of exposure to whether it's 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.000 it's probably a little hard to tell, but there was 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.560 there has been a claim that made that appeared that 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.480 from the footprints, as some of the people were not 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.880 wearing shoes. Yeah, and again it's like you know, as always, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.480 and this is always a case. Can't get around the 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.440 fact that people over the years have in started their 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.400 own little weird things into these stories that may not 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.520 necessarily be true. On the face of it appears that 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.280 they went down the hill following the footprints. The footprints 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.840 eventually disappeared, but they continued on in that general direction 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.240 to the tree line. At the tree line they find 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.480 a big pine tree that there was a fire under. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.520 The fire was obviously burned out at this but somebody 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.680 had built a fire there. There was that the branches 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.880 of the tree had been torn off to about fifteen 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.040 feet up. Some of the accounts of this had talk 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.440 about the sheer panic that these people must have been 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.600 in because they were running from some incredible horror that's 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.440 scared about of their tent made him run down the 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.200 hillside in their underwear without boots on, and then they 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.920 tried to scramble up this tree and tore off branches 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.400 up to fifteen ft high, okay, so that they found 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.880 a few of the bodies there. They were nine overall. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.800 Three of the bodies they found further up the hillside 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.000 between the campfire and the tents, and they appeared to 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.880 be headed, had to have been headed back up towards 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.600 the tents. The four remaining bodies were found in a 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.679 nearby ravine. Those bodies had suffered quite a bit of trauma. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.880 According to Soviet investigators, the cause of death was quote 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.760 a compelling natural force unquote. In other words, as their 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.920 chests to make a couple of chests have been crushed, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:35.200 skulls cracked, etcetera. Yeah, and so that has caused intense 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.320 intense speculation about things like you know, the abominable snowman 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.560 uh Soviet military tests. One theory is that the local natives, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.960 I forget the name of the local natives had were 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.080 offended that they there, they trespassed into their territory, and 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.800 so they had like brutally killed them. One of the 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.840 one of the bodies, one of the women that was 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.920 found in the ravine, was missing her tongue, so speculated 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.200 that the same tribesmen had cut her tongue out before 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.280 pushing her into the ravine. What how? What? What was 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.440 the proximity of the ravine to the camp, to the 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.760 camp and to the campfire. It's like, so if the 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.520 campus up the hillside, then you go straight down the hillside, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.600 you find the campfire. If you go left from there, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.320 you go it's like several feet and there's a ravine. Yeah, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.240 not not far away. The people found in the ravine 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.080 were wearing pieces of clothing that had obviously been taken 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.800 off the other the bodies of their compatriots. It appeared 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.000 that they died the last of all of them because 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.760 they were out in the snow and the freezing cold, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.200 because it was sub zero. It was sub zero. It 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.080 was sub zero, and these people, after their friends had 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.360 died of hypothermia, then they took their clothes obviously because 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.560 they needed to survive, and then stumbled off and god 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.680 knows exactly what they intended to do. Uh So, anyway, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.240 other other theories to see, there is a condition that 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.000 when you when you go into deep hypothermia, you stopped 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.679 thinking correctly need things like taking your clothes up because 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.120 you think you're too hot and things like that. So 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.839 that's another possibility. These people were just disoriented because of that? 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.200 Was there any other weirdness about the bodies? Some supposedly 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.720 they scanned the clothes for radioactivity and three articles of 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.679 clothing out of all the articles of clothing and there 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.199 were radioactive. Now I'm not really sure. There's been a 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.920 little bit debunking about that whole thing, and apparently some 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.360 people say that the whole radioactivity thing was basically just 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.520 inserted into the story later and it would never actually happen. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.000 I'm not really I mean to me that the whole 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.679 thing about it was is if the clothes were if 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.560 three articles of clothing were radioactive, if they had been 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:48.280 exposed to radioactivity, then shouldn't been Yeah, shouldn't all their 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.560 tooth for example, the feelings in their teeth should be 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.840 highly radioactive. And so so I'm not really sure, And 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.719 so that leads me to be that leads me to 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.760 be a little skeptical about the radioactivity thing. Sure, and 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.080 you know, correct me if I'm wrong. But I remember 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.720 reading about this and they said that some of the 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.439 bodies had a weird orange que to them and their 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.079 hung Yeah, and you know, I don't know how much 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.040 of that is just if you lay on your son 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.199 I mean, I'm not sure what the effects of exposure 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.440 in and of itself are, but it has been said 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.600 that they might have been deeply tanned because they were 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.040 laying in the sun for weeks and they lit out 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.280 their shirts on. So so that's that's quite possibly what 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:32.400 it is. Discolored, not rotting because it's too cold, but discolored. Yeah, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.880 And I'm not sure what the effects of prospite on 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.600 your skin would be and if that would that would 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.640 discolor your skin also, well they usually goes back, well 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.360 if if it lasts long ago, but if you die, 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.599 if you die, yeah, if you die before then, it 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.800 might just discolor you a little bit. So I you know, 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:50.680 So I'm not really sure. But apparently as some of 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.680 the family members did did say that they were sort 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.480 of orange colored. They might have just eaten all the 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.800 carrots in the previous weeks. I don't know. So the 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.319 what are the theories? Can you really lay them out for? Well, 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.800 the most compelling theory is um they went to bed. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.960 Nobody knows exactly when they when they went to sleep, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.760 but it appears that this incident that set them down 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.959 the hillside happened sometime between seven and eleven o'clock and 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.240 that evening. I'm not sure how anybody managed to extrapolate that, 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.920 but okay, we'll take them with their word for that. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.480 I remember reading that what they had done is they 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.959 examined the contents of their stomachs, and they figure, you're 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.880 hiking in the day and you're gonna make camp before 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.760 the sun goes down the point you're gonna eat and 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.080 then go to bed. So if there's less than eight 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.199 hours of digestion, then they can kind of give it 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.280 a time frame. That's how I'm guessing they know what 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.120 the time frame is because a lot of things that 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.760 I saw a reference that they looked at their stomach content. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:55.240 So anyway, so in the night, they were presumably asleep 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.600 in their tents or tent. What happened They heard a noise, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.520 somebody turns on a light and in the doorway to 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:16.040 their tent there's standing a cara. This is actually, this 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.160 is actually. Uh So anyway, they are of course terrified 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.480 that now there's it's not this is a theory that's 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.400 out there. You're not just making this up. Well, we'll 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.400 get to that. It's okay, okay, So it's unknown whether 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:35.960 the cheap a Cabra admitted a hideous cackling laugh or not. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:41.200 But what is heard. But what is what is what 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.160 is intensely speculated, is at that moment the cheoper Cabra, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.200 without even asking if it was okay, pulled out a 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:52.160 cigar and lit it. Now we all know about the 0:12:52.240 --> 0:13:00.800 dangerous effects, so second hand smoke, Steve, so I can 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.280 tell you if he's making this up or yeah, you 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.000 know I'm making it up. Okay, Okay, So let's get 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:11.360 back to Mr Chipikabra side. Okay, there has been talking 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.680 about speculation, of course, about UFOs um and I'm not 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.160 I'm not really sure with the background. I mean, what 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.200 what have you found that people have said supports the 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.559 UFO theory. I haven't found anything to support the UFO theory. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.120 I mean the radiation, but I don't. I don't, so 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.960 I don't really think that that's supported by the evidence. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.199 And you know, I've I've seen stuff that said that 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.640 people had reported for months that they had seen weird 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.360 orange glowing lights and that there was another group that 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.839 was out at that same time, fifty miles away that 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:48.920 had seen an orange light flying around in the direction 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.600 of the mountain that they were on on that very 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.880 same night. Yeah and so and so, you know, speculation 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:59.199 could be that a UFO shoes and shows up, Lily 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.440 Green Man pop up in their in their campsite, and 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.280 they flee and terror. But the problem I have with 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:10.040 this theory is that it's five degrees below zero, and 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.800 so if I've got to say, if I have to 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.439 choose between the possibility that the Little Green Man is 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.000 going to eat me, which is just a possibility, and 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.440 the certainty that if I run off into the into 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.040 the arctic cold with my no clothes on, that I'm 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.960 going to die. I'm gonna I'm gonna hang out and 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.480 see what the Little Green Man's attentions are. I mean, 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.680 it's it's not the it's not you know, to me, 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.400 it's not credible. Okay, So I want to run down 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.120 this path. There's some research that I came across that 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.520 I'd like to to flesh out on this supposed UFO 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.920 sighting in the area. Yeah. Uh, And I don't have 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:48.400 the location markers to reference on this article that I found, 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:53.080 but I think it was at the time they were 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:58.320 testing there, it was a nuclear missile, the R forty 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.080 seven is what I want to say, hauled. And they 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.680 were launching it from a site that if you were 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.240 to look at it on a map for where this 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.880 other camp fifty miles away was where this group of 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.680 skiers was at, and then the launch point, the launch 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.520 point sent it directly across all of them to what 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:22.080 was known as a testing ground for nuclear missiles. So 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.560 it's very valid that this other group said we saw 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.280 the strange George Lightnings guy, You're right. It was a rocket. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.680 It was the biggest rocket you had ever seen, and 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.440 they had no idea because it didn't have any running 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.240 like to on. They see this orange glow. It's just 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.960 rocket obviously in very very low orbit because it's going 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.600 let's say a couple hundred miles only to then explode, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.800 and they're going to test it. So that's why this 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.440 other group of campers thought they saw the strange glow 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.960 it was a nuclear test. Yeah, not even a nuclear test, 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.160 just a rocket test. I mean, I'm sure they didn't 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.640 have a warhead on that thing. That Yeah, it was testing. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.000 They were shooting it, yeah, yeah, so yeah, it could 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.560 easily have been that. I Mean, the thing about you 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.400 about UFOs is there's all kinds of stuff flying around 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.320 up there. I mean there's airplanes and helicopters and rockets 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.800 and meteors and all kinds of stuff. Other theories, let 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.440 me see, we did I talk about the cheoper cabra. Okay, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:19.600 I did? Okay, right, Yeah, it's always a damn cheoper cabra. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.160 The other, well, you know, the other theories is that 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.040 they were confronted with some hideous something god knows what. 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.200 Um there was that talk about. You know, why would 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:32.760 they why would they leave? Why would they flee their 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.080 tense You know, they've left without footwear, without you know, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.440 their parks, without all conso, so why would they do 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.480 that unless they were they cut their way out of it. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.800 They did. There was evidence that they cut their way 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.680 up from the inside and then and then fled, and 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.440 then fled and tear down the hillside from whatever hideous 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.040 unknown thing it was, and then tore to a bunch 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.080 of branches off this tree trying to climb the tree 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.680 to get away from whatever this thing was. But of 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.080 course there was a campfire right there they tried to build. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.560 So I mean, I think that it's pretty obvious the 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.000 branches were torn off because they were desperately trying to 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.800 get as much firewood as they possibly could to get 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.480 a fire going. Well and crappy if I'm wrong, But 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.520 the two that were found at the tree that the 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:20.280 first ones to die, weren't their hands completely mangled from 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.360 cold and then trying to break wood off, and they 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.639 just they cut the holy hack out of themselves and 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.240 tore their hands to pieces. Yeah, and one and one, 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.119 yeah and one version of this the story is telling 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.480 they tore their hands to pieces because they were that 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.560 scared of whatever it was that was after them. But 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.280 but really, and more likely, the tore they has to 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.400 pieces because they were that desperate to get some firewood, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.399 right damn now, because really what it was and so 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.280 and and and of course the weakness of that theory 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.959 too is that it just speculates as some hideous unknown Well, 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.040 and they were still with the sprints. Yeah, it's hideous creature, 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.240 which lends creators to the troupe of copper theory. Well, 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.639 the cidious creature left no footprints, isn't There Also, and 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.159 I think that you briefly mentioned this, which is also 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.240 falls apart in the face of no footprints, is the 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:11.199 fact that the local natives that were blamed for In 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.720 one version of it, we're blamed for killing them. Uh 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:19.480 there a there was no other people footprints or at 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:25.400 those people that same tribe helped in the search for them. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.600 And again in the tellings that are fantastical about well 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.240 it's the you know, the yetie or whatever it is, Well, 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.760 that creature punched them and broke their bones, that it 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.480 was people doing it. It was too much force for 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.959 a human to have exerted on another human were leaving 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.000 like repeated beating marks or something. So but again this 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.440 is all debacked by the fact that there simply are 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.200 no footprints, no physical others whatsoever that any of this happened. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.960 And frankly, motive is kind of missing. Well what there is? 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.119 Have you come across about why her tongue was gone? 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:02.720 Small animals or medium sized animals? Yeah, my theory is 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.760 that you know, they died. You know, the big mystery 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.280 for me is this, like, first, why did they flee 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.440 their tents? Because I think the timeline the I can 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.120 totally understand the motives. Right, you're building the fire, You're 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.879 cold as hell because you've got hypothermia. You know, some 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:22.040 of you were in certain states of more undressed than others, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.800 you know, so you're like, all right, the threat is gone. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.720 We're going to go back up there, you know, freeze 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.320 to death on your way up or whatever happened to them, 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.359 you know, the other ones freeze down here. Everybody's just 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:37.200 trying to survive, and then an avalanche comes along kills 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.520 these last four people in this ravine. They fall into 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:44.080 ravene or you know whatever. I expect an avalanche and 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.560 small you know, she dies with her mouth open. Small 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.560 animal comes along and it's like, well, that's an easy 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.399 thing to eat, exactly, gnaws it out of her mouth 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.920 first frozen. I'm not sure about the avalanche. Like, for example, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.360 I came across the site that supposedly deep at all 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.679 all of this stuff and said the shredding and a 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.960 tent for example, was consistent with just an avalanche. But 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.440 the fact of the matter is is they found the tents, 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.080 and so if they've been spared by an avalanche, you know, 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.640 I don't think that they would have been found every Yeah, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.000 so that was kind of my my thought at the 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.840 beginning was that they heard an avalanche coming, so they 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.359 you know, bailed. But it was my original understanding of 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:28.040 this story. I had never heard the part about the 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.920 the fire down below that had survived whatever they originally fleet. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.520 It was my understanding that in the flight, you know, 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.919 everybody died in some no actually some of them for 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.520 a while for a while. Yeah, So it was my 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.640 understanding that I was like I, I always thought, well, 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.600 this is obviously just an avalanche. You know, it could 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.240 have torn the tents up a little bit, it could 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:52.159 have been smaller up there and gained well, wanna, I 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:58.000 actually have got to say that personally, the avalanche makes 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:02.520 the most sense to me, and me flesh this out. Okay, Um, 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.479 so have we've all lived in areas where it's snowed 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.240 a lot, so you've seen ice shifted and big snow 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:15.680 chunks move, and it's sometimes it's not a giant, giant, traumatic, 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.840 dramatic thing, and precisely it could be. Right. So here's 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.760 here's what I I've seen the photos where because they 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.360 recovered the cameras that they were taking pictures of themselves with, 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:32.760 and somebody took a photo of them making camp, they 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:37.520 didn't set their tents on top of the snow. They 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.080 dug into the snow. They dug in what looks like 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.520 a good two to three feet. What do yeah, what 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.600 you do? Okay, there hadn't been any heavy snowfall in 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:53.160 that area for a couple of weeks, so now it's 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:57.280 evidently been I'm guessing relatively for the area temper weather, 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.440 and now we get more snow. What happened to me 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.600 would be that it wasn't a massive avalanche like you 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:11.080 see on television, but more of this huge let's just say, 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:17.480 five chunk of ice that's buried down suddenly shifts and 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.239 drops a couple of feet and shakes everything up and 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.680 scares everybody, and snow piles up and their tent kind 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.720 of gets buried, so they have to cut their way out. 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:33.280 That yeah, okay, it's a massive avalanche, but it's enough 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:37.560 movement to get everybody in a panic where I want 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:40.520