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<v Speaker 1>Cool zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety five, a middle aged former marine decided

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to school. He'd been out of the

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<v Speaker 2>service for years. He had already had an entire second

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<v Speaker 2>career as a mining engineer, but he was having trouble

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<v Speaker 2>finding a job. On the eve of the dot com boom,

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<v Speaker 2>he saw an opportunity for a new direction. He enrolled

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<v Speaker 2>at Arizona State University to study computers. That first semester,

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<v Speaker 2>he enrolled in a class called Introduction to Macintosh. Through

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<v Speaker 2>the university, he had unlimited access to the World Wide Web,

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<v Speaker 2>accessible twenty four to seven at the school's on campus

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<v Speaker 2>computer center. By day, he learned the basics of computer programming,

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<v Speaker 2>but at night, alone in the computer lab, he browsed

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<v Speaker 2>the web. It was there that he first discovered websites

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<v Speaker 2>devoted to white nationalism. He devoured the writings of doctor

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<v Speaker 2>William Luther Pierce, the leader of the neo Nazi group

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<v Speaker 2>National Alliance. He created an account on a forum for

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<v Speaker 2>followers of the World Church of the Creator, and within

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<v Speaker 2>months he was invited to meet in person with the

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<v Speaker 2>leadership of the local chapters of both organizations. Ralph Brandt

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<v Speaker 2>enrolled in computer classes looking for a third act, and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he got one. I don't know how proficient

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<v Speaker 2>he ever got at computer programming, but in the thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years since he first stumbled upon an online forum for racists,

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<v Speaker 2>he's found purpose. Now, at nearly seventy six years old,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the chairman of white nationalist group angling for a Comeback.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Molly Conger, and this is weird, Little guys. This week,

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<v Speaker 2>more than ever, I have felt overwhelmed by the realization

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<v Speaker 2>that this show doesn't really have individual episodes. There are

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<v Speaker 2>no self contained stories with beginnings, middles, and ends. This

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<v Speaker 2>has all just been one really long story that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>telling out of order. The last two main Feed episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>I told you a story about Merlin Miller, a failed

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<v Speaker 2>filmmaker who fell down a rabbit hole after nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>became obsessed with conspiracy theories, and ran for president in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve on the ticket of an openly white supremacist,

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<v Speaker 2>fascist eugenicis political party called the American Third Position Party.

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<v Speaker 2>And in that second episode, I hinted that the group

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<v Speaker 2>behind his candidacy hasn't really gone away. In the aftermath

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<v Speaker 2>of Merlin Miller's disastrous run for president, the party rebranded. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>the group originally formed out of the collapse of a

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<v Speaker 2>California group called the Golden State Party, so named because

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<v Speaker 2>it was mostly made up of members of the neo

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi skinhead group, the Golden State Skinheads. So the Golden

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<v Speaker 2>State Party collapsed in two thousand and nine, and they

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<v Speaker 2>regrouped as the American Third Position Party in twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the group rebranded again as the American Freedom

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<v Speaker 2>Party in December of twenty twelve. And my plan for

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<v Speaker 2>the next episode, this one, the one you're listening to now,

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<v Speaker 2>was just to speed run through the party's activities over

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<v Speaker 2>the decade that followed, bringing us all the way back

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<v Speaker 2>up to the present day, and then be done with it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we're going to have to revisit some

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<v Speaker 2>parts of this story in more depth some other time,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not next week. As I was scrounging around and

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<v Speaker 2>compiling my notes and collecting filings from failed campaigns, and

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<v Speaker 2>watching grainy old videos of speeches at White Nationalists summits

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<v Speaker 2>held in hotel conference rooms, and listening to Nazi podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>at double speed, just wishing that they would get to

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<v Speaker 2>the point, I started to feel a little bit crazed.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's not unusual, to be honest, that happens

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. It's maddening work for a variety of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>But I kept coming across familiar names, familiar organizations, people

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<v Speaker 2>and places and things that I didn't expect to see

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<v Speaker 2>in this story, finding connections to past episodes and to

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<v Speaker 2>stories I haven't written yet. There's a psychological phenomenon called apophenia.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tendency to see patterns where they don't exist,

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<v Speaker 2>to find connections between unrelated things, to see meaning in

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<v Speaker 2>random stimuli. In its most extreme, it can be a

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<v Speaker 2>symptom of mental illnesses like schizophrenia or obsessive compulsive disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>But you also see it on display in the writings

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<v Speaker 2>of conspiracy theorists, and you've definitely seen it at work

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<v Speaker 2>if you know someone with a gambling problem. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>a cognitive bias we all experience from time to time,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing shapes in the clouds, seeing a man in the moon,

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<v Speaker 2>finding meaning, and coincidentally looking at your watch at eleven eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>We all get a little apophenia now and then, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's something I try to be really vigilant about. Am

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<v Speaker 2>I seeing connections in my research because they're real, or

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<v Speaker 2>am I just getting that rush of recognition because at

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<v Speaker 2>this point I have at least a few pages of

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<v Speaker 2>notes on almost every prominent white supremacist active in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States for the last five decades, and everything just

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<v Speaker 2>feels a little familiar. And theirs really is a small world.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the same guy pops up in a few seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>unrelated places, because there's only so many places for that

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<v Speaker 2>guy to be if he's been active in the movement

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<v Speaker 2>over the course of many years. I try to keep

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<v Speaker 2>that pretty front of mind so I don't drive myself

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<v Speaker 2>completely mad, you know, But sometimes sometimes it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>everything is connected because it is. It's not a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not apophenia, it's not conspiratorial thinking. It's not my

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<v Speaker 2>mind finally buckling under the weight of the horrors. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>if you dig down deep enough, it's the same guy's

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<v Speaker 2>name on all the paperwork. Remember earlier this year when

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<v Speaker 2>I accidentally spent three months writing about white supremacist terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>and apartheid South Africa, if you can remember back that far.

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<v Speaker 2>Those episodes started with vignette about this series of rallies

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<v Speaker 2>held in twenty twelve, organized by Monica Huggett Stone's South

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<v Speaker 2>Africa Project. But the main rally, the big one, the

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<v Speaker 2>one in Sacramento, Monica wasn't actually there. The actual on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground organizers in Sacramento were the Golden State Skinheads,

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<v Speaker 2>the same group that originally approached William Daniel Johnson to

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<v Speaker 2>remake their Golden State Party into the American Third Position Party.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's Mike Myers, the leader of the Golden State Skinheads,

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<v Speaker 2>whose name is actually Michael SESAMs, taking credit for that

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<v Speaker 2>pro apartheid rally when he gave a speech at the

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<v Speaker 2>American Freedom Party conference a year later.

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<v Speaker 3>We've thrown rallies, filed for in game permits, and dealt

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<v Speaker 3>with the logistics of planning many successful protests, like the

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<v Speaker 3>National South Africa Project last year in Sacramento, the NTI

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<v Speaker 3>League Immigration protests in Sacramento this year. And that's a

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<v Speaker 3>nation about happy dozen or so other activism related events.

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<v Speaker 3>And just as pasture of the law.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I went back and looked at the pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of those rallies in twenty twelve, there's William Daniel Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>in photos of the South Africa Project rally held in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles in February of twenty twelve. And it's no

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<v Speaker 2>coincidence that William Daniel Johnson was a member of the

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<v Speaker 2>board of directors at the Foundation for the Marketplace of Ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>a nonprofit founded by white supremacist lawyer Kyle Bristow with

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<v Speaker 2>the goal of being an ACLU for the alt right.

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<v Speaker 2>The foundation raised the money for the series of lawsuits

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<v Speaker 2>that Bristow filed against colleges and universities in twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>to force them to allow Richard Spencer to speak on campus.

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<v Speaker 2>When that foundation fell apart, one of its other board members,

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<v Speaker 2>a man whose name you've heard before, Augustus solen Victus,

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<v Speaker 2>tried to start something similar, and he called it the

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<v Speaker 2>Conservative Legal Defense Fund. That too, is now defunct, But

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<v Speaker 2>the incorporation paperwork for that group shows that American Freedom

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<v Speaker 2>Party board members Jamie Kelso and William Daniel Johnson were

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<v Speaker 2>not only involved, but they were using Johnson's law office

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<v Speaker 2>as the mailing address. And it's no coincidence that Nathan

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<v Speaker 2>Dimigo was invited to speak at the party's conference earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this year. He actually got his start in organized racism

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<v Speaker 2>a decade ago as a member of the American Freedom Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Before he founded Identity Europa in twenty sixteen, he was

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<v Speaker 2>leading the American Freedom Party's short lived youth division, a

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<v Speaker 2>group called National Youth Front. Identity Europa didn't publicly maintain

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<v Speaker 2>ties to the American Freedom Party, but it does appear

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<v Speaker 2>to have originally just been a rebranding of National Youth

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<v Speaker 2>Front after a similarly named but not racist group threatened

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<v Speaker 2>to sue over the use of the name. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Dimigo in December of twenty fifteen talking to Richard

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer about the upcoming launch of a renamed National Youth Front.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just three months before he re emerged as

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<v Speaker 2>the leader of Identity Europa.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to be looking at relaunching in a few

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<v Speaker 4>months from now, and it's going to be, in a

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<v Speaker 4>way a much.

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<v Speaker 1>More mature organization.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be a European rights organization explicitly.

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Dimigo's reappearance at this year's American Freedom Party conference

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<v Speaker 2>was a little bit of a surprise to me. He'd

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<v Speaker 2>mostly stepped back from active organizing since the twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>United the Right rally. He filed for bankruptcy to try

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<v Speaker 2>to get out from under a lawsuit filed against him

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<v Speaker 2>and the other organizers of that deadly rally, but he

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<v Speaker 2>lost the lawsuit in twenty twenty one, and a bankruptcy

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<v Speaker 2>court ruled just last week that the judgment is not

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<v Speaker 2>dischargeable in his bankruptcy case. He is currently appealing that

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<v Speaker 2>decision with the help of movement lawyer Glen Allen. Glen Allen,

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<v Speaker 2>you may recall from the last episode, was the Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer who helped Merlin Miller start his American Eagle Party

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<v Speaker 2>after he left the American Freedom Party. And Nathan Dimigo

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<v Speaker 2>isn't the only Identity Europa member to resurface in connection

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<v Speaker 2>with the American Freedom Party. After Identity Europa collapsed for

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<v Speaker 2>good in twenty twenty, some former members were turned to

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<v Speaker 2>the group that spawneded, joining the American Freedom Party. Notably,

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<v Speaker 2>the party's current executive director is a former Identity Europa

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<v Speaker 2>member who calls himself John Fassbender. So there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of threads to pull here, and there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>to unravel the whole ball of yarn today. So I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose we should start with what the American Freedom Party

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<v Speaker 2>even is, or rather what it is not.

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<v Speaker 4>These views are not. They're not weird, they're not bad, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're held by totally normal people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're off to a bad start. That's the party's

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<v Speaker 2>executive director, John Fasspender, very unconvincingly claiming that they're not weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't buy it. But that's not the only lie

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<v Speaker 2>he tells on podcasts. The American Freedom Party is not

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<v Speaker 2>a duly registered national political party, and that's a very

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<v Speaker 2>specific claim that he makes in almost every interview. It

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<v Speaker 2>just isn't, but Fastpender is quite adamant that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Here he is boasting about it to Macedonian nationalist podcaster

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Gilvie in late twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, we are currently the only registered political party

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<v Speaker 4>that expeuses pro wide views in the United States right now.

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<v Speaker 4>There are plenty of provide organizations, but they do not

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<v Speaker 4>have say, valid access, the ability to run candidates and

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<v Speaker 4>so on and so forth. So we take great pride

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<v Speaker 4>in that it is something we work tirelessly to maintain.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he went on Jilvi's show again in April

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four, he made the same claim.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we are a political party. We have gone through

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<v Speaker 4>the process we have registered.

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<v Speaker 5>We have obtained the necessary signatures to obtain valid access

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<v Speaker 5>in various states across the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Fastbender telling Nazi podcaster Nick Gregory about it in

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<v Speaker 2>November of twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>The American Freedom Party is the only duly registered political

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<v Speaker 4>party in the United States that is with the ability

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<v Speaker 4>to run candidates that is to say, which represents pro

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<v Speaker 4>white ideals, that is to say, American nationalist principles, white identitarian ideals.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in twenty twenty two, a member of the party's

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<v Speaker 2>board told Ryan Sanchez, a Groper aligned Nazi podcaster who

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<v Speaker 2>calls himself the Culture War Criminal, that their status as

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<v Speaker 2>a federal political party did come with some downsides, like

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<v Speaker 2>an inability to accept large anonymous cryptocurrency donations, and as.

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<v Speaker 6>A registered political party with the Feral Elections Commission.

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<v Speaker 5>We.

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<v Speaker 6>Have some issues with crypto as well, in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>how much crypto we can take. So crypto is not

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<v Speaker 6>something we're doing right now directly through the party.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's an important point. There are some pretty

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<v Speaker 2>specific rules, regulations, and laws about how a political party

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<v Speaker 2>handles money. I won't claim to know or understand all

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<v Speaker 2>of them. You can get pretty confusing, but surely the

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<v Speaker 2>guy running a political party would have a passing familiarity

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<v Speaker 2>with at least the broad strokes of how that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing works.

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<v Speaker 7>Right there. One question was what does it take to

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<v Speaker 7>register as a political party? Is the process complicated? And

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<v Speaker 7>then another person pointed out that part of the reason

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<v Speaker 7>of the LCD is that donations to parties are public record.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you have any comments on that, because I know

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<v Speaker 7>that's something that people talk about all the time. There

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<v Speaker 7>is the op SEC issue of like if I send

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<v Speaker 7>you the fifty dollars for the year membership, right, is

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<v Speaker 7>that publicly known?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll say this as far as you know the

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<v Speaker 5>accounting aspect of it, and as far as you know

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<v Speaker 5>how information is, what information is public record and what

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<v Speaker 5>information isn't. I couldn't give in accurate answer because it's

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<v Speaker 5>just not my my level of understanding on that end

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<v Speaker 5>of things in the party. Definitely, when it comes to

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<v Speaker 5>finances and so on, I'm pretty pretty much ignorant. That

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<v Speaker 5>being said, as far as you know sending in donations

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<v Speaker 5>and how it is to register as a political party,

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<v Speaker 5>first of all, it is there.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a bit complicated, you know, it does require

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, basically a lot of paperwork filing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dear. In May of twenty twenty three, the party's

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<v Speaker 2>executive director had no idea if membership dues are being

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<v Speaker 2>reported as donations to a political party. It doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 2>like he knows what, if any reporting is being done

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<v Speaker 2>at all, But he does know that, despite the immense

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<v Speaker 2>complexity of the paperwork, somebody definitely filed that paperwork that

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<v Speaker 2>makes them a real political party. And just one more,

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<v Speaker 2>This one is both very specific and extremely recent. Fassbender

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<v Speaker 2>was interviewed by a Canadian white nationalist and aspiring musician,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Hansen, just a few weeks ago. There's no wiggle

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<v Speaker 2>room here, Fassbender clearly says, the organization is a federally

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<v Speaker 2>recognized political party.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know this is a federal political party, correct, Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>But like I said, no, they're not. I'll admit to

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<v Speaker 2>you right now, I don't know how to run a

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<v Speaker 2>political party either, but I didn't put my face on

0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.399
<v Speaker 2>a website claiming to, so I think we can all

0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:25.919
<v Speaker 2>agree to cut me some slack on the subject. To

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<v Speaker 2>be recognized as a political party, you have to register

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<v Speaker 2>for state and local elections that may just be at

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<v Speaker 2>the state level, and the rules in every state are different.

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<v Speaker 2>There are certain activities and fundraising thresholds where a state

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<v Speaker 2>level party committee may have to register with the Federal

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<v Speaker 2>Election Commission, but honestly I don't care enough to find

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<v Speaker 2>out more about that. And of course, to be a

0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.879
<v Speaker 2>political party at the national level, well, you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>file paperwork with the Federal Election Commission and they did try.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, anyone can fill out a form and send

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<v Speaker 2>in a piece of paper. That doesn't mean it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone filed paperwork with the Federal Election Commission last month

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<v Speaker 2>to form the American Fart Party, along with paperwork for

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<v Speaker 2>a Fart Party candidate committee running for Senate in Iowa.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean that the Fart Party is real. It

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<v Speaker 2>just means technically somebody committed a federal crime, although it's

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<v Speaker 2>extremely unlikely to be prosecuted. The Fart Party was obviously

0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:45.040
<v Speaker 2>someone's idea of a joke that's actually really common. The

0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:50.840
<v Speaker 2>FEC receives mountains of prank filings every year. They revised

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<v Speaker 2>the rules in twenty sixteen just to make it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit easier to throw away the ones that were

0:19:55.520 --> 0:20:00.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously and intentionally fictitious. They're a wreck high number of

0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:05.520
<v Speaker 2>fake filings that election cycle. A teenager in Iowa who

0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 2>filed a statement of candidacy for D's Nuts told ABC

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<v Speaker 2>News in twenty sixteen, one of the main reasons that

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<v Speaker 2>I ultimately filed was because I found out they had

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<v Speaker 2>little staff, resources or authority, and we're supposed to trust

0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.439
<v Speaker 2>these guys with our elections. I have made it public

0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.199
<v Speaker 2>that I've withdrawn from the race, but I do not

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<v Speaker 2>apologize for what I did. The FEC is vastly underfunded,

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and while it seems like I have a burning hatred

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<v Speaker 2>of the FEC, I actually support the FAC getting additional funding.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, dse Nuts. And like I said, it is

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<v Speaker 2>technically against the law to knowingly file paperwork with the

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Federal Election Commission that contains false or fictitious information, but

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement is vanishingly rare. Investigations tend to be limited to

0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:16.200
<v Speaker 2>high profile incidents involving real people, like fake paperwork filed

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.879
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty claiming to be authorized by Kanye West. So,

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.639
<v Speaker 2>whether it's an obvious joke like the Fart Party, or

0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.919
<v Speaker 2>someone who just honestly doesn't know what they're doing, like

0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:32.280
<v Speaker 2>the American Freedom Party. Someone at the Federal Election Commission

0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:38.160
<v Speaker 2>is reading every piece of paperwork that gets filed. They're understaffed, underfunded,

0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:42.080
<v Speaker 2>under resourced in every way imaginable. But they process the

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:46.840
<v Speaker 2>paperwork and when the paperwork is inadequate, they send back

0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:52.720
<v Speaker 2>something called a Request for Additional Information an RFAI. It's

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:56.879
<v Speaker 2>a form letter. It's not really personalized, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of text in there explaining exactly what was

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 2>in SIFIA about your filing. Maybe the committee treasurer forgot

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<v Speaker 2>to sign it. Maybe the number at the bottom of

0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.720
<v Speaker 2>a column of dollar amounts isn't the correct sum. Maybe

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.359
<v Speaker 2>they just don't think your name is really Jesus Christ

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:18.000
<v Speaker 2>or Forrest Gump, whatever it is. You'll get the RFAI

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have a chance to file a corrected form.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in twenty twelve, when Merlin Miller was running for

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.200
<v Speaker 2>president on the party's ticket, they did file some paperwork.

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<v Speaker 2>In April of that year, party chairman William Daniel Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>filled out FEC Form one, the form for a statement

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 2>of organization for a committee. Now remember back then they

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.639
<v Speaker 2>were called the American Third Position Party, So he's filling

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<v Speaker 2>out this form as the American third position National Committee,

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:56.639
<v Speaker 2>things started to go arrived. By page two, there are

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<v Speaker 2>checkboxes for different types of committees. Is this a party committee,

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.919
<v Speaker 2>a candidate committee. If it's a candidate committee, is it

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the candidate's principal fundraising committee? Is it a political action committee.

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:13.840
<v Speaker 2>You have to choose, and you can only choose one.

0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Johnson checked too many boxes. It took the FEC about

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 2>two months to get back to him, but the letter

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:23.880
<v Speaker 2>offered some helpful clarification about which boxes you might check

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<v Speaker 2>in different circumstances and explain that you can't check all

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.240
<v Speaker 2>of them, and it also referred him to the relevant

0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:35.880
<v Speaker 2>federal regulations. Johnson then filed a corrected form indicating that yes,

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 2>he was trying to form a national party committee. So

0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 2>that's it, right, he did it. He filled it out right,

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.880
<v Speaker 2>not quite. Now that the form is properly filled out,

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.959
<v Speaker 2>it can actually be evaluated on the merits. And it

0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:57.640
<v Speaker 2>turns out you can't just get a party started by

0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:02.960
<v Speaker 2>filling out a form. The fart party's paperwork was filed,

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:07.479
<v Speaker 2>but it's going to get thrown out. Filling out a

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 2>form isn't a golden ticket to party recognition, and the

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Federal Election Commission makes the final call on whether an

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:19.680
<v Speaker 2>organization has done enough political party stuff to be considered

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 2>a political party, things like do they engage in voter

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<v Speaker 2>registration drives? Do they have a national headquarters and state

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 2>party committees? Do they hold a national convention? Are they

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<v Speaker 2>actively seeking and successfully getting ballot access in multiple states

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<v Speaker 2>for multiple candidates for office other than just the presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no room for any of that on the form, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>So in order to be recognized as a national party committee,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to formally request something called an advisory opinion

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:03.880
<v Speaker 2>from the Federal Election Commission. According to the FEC, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>advisory opinions are official commission responses to questions about how

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<v Speaker 2>federal campaign finance law applies to specific factual situations. From

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<v Speaker 2>the web page about the advisory opinion process quote. Anyone

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 2>may request an advisory opinion as long as the request

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 2>is affected by the question he or she presents a

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 2>requestor cannot ask for an advisory opinion about someone else's activities,

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 2>hypothetical situations, or general questions of law. Advisory opinion requests

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 2>must be in writing. The request must include a complete

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<v Speaker 2>description of all facts relevant to the specific transaction or activity,

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're all a public record. The FEC's website has

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 2>a searchable database of every advisory opinion since nineteen seventy five.

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.880
<v Speaker 2>The Commission informed the American Free and Party in July

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.679
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twelve that they would need to get an

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:08.639
<v Speaker 2>advisory opinion before calling themselves a national party committee, and

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>William Daniel Johnson wrote back in September of twenty twelve

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 2>that he had requested one and he was just waiting

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 2>for a decision. But there's no official record that any

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>opinion was ever sought by anyone involved. I searched every

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 2>combination of words and names. I downloaded a spreadsheet that

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 2>almost crashed my computer. I looked at every request filed

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 2>since twenty ten, just to be safe. It's not there.

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:46.120
<v Speaker 2>It's possible Johnson made some kind of attempt, like maybe

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>he did write a letter saying make me a party.

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 2>But again, the request must include a complete description of

0:26:55.880 --> 0:27:00.679
<v Speaker 2>all facts relevant to the specific transaction or activity, and

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the database doesn't include requests that were insufficient for consideration.

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 2>So maybe he thinks he asked for an advisory opinion,

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 2>but according to the official record, no, he did not.

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>But like I said, the FEC doesn't really have the

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 2>resources to chase down every piece of non compliant paperwork.

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 2>The American Freedom Party continued to file as though they

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 2>were a national party committee, but they weren't actually raising

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 2>any money at least not that they really reported. And

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 2>they were kind of halfheartedly running candidates for president in

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, but their paperwork was a mess, and they

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>weren't doing the work to actually get those candidates on ballots.

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, forget trying to convince the voters. The party

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>couldn't even convince their own candidates to stay in the

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:01.479
<v Speaker 2>race or the party. Their initial nominee was a man

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 2>named Ken Givedden, but he dropped out in July of

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, just a few months after being nominated. The

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 2>man they'd picked as his VP, Bob Whittaker, stepped up

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>to take the presidential nomination, but he quit too in

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>April of twenty sixteen. He was mad that the party

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 2>was pouring money into a political action committee to pay

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>for racist robocalls supporting Donald Trump. Bob Whitaker also died

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>at age seventy six not long after this, so maybe

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>he just didn't have the stamina. The next candidate on

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 2>the list was Tom Bowie. You might actually remember him

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.719
<v Speaker 2>from some viral YouTube videos a few years back in

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 2>which he proudly accepts the title of most racist man

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>in America. There's no evidence that his campaign ever raised

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>or spent any money at all, so as far as

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>expending their limited enforcement resources, it was probably just not

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 2>worthwhile for the Federal Election Commission to follow up unless

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and until there was any actual possibility of this party

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>being meaningfully engaged in anything you could consider actual electoral activity,

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>So they just kept filling out their paperwork wrong and

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>filing it. In twenty nineteen, the party was gearing up

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 2>for the twenty twenty presidential election. The candidate they chose

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 2>this time around was a Christian identity pastor in Tennessee

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>named Rick Tyler. Tyler had run for office a handful

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 2>of times before, never receiving more than a few thousand votes,

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>but hope springs eternal, I guess. He announced his candidacy

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 2>in May of twenty nineteen in a speech at the

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 2>University of Tennessee. The university was very clear with the

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 2>press at the time that no one invited Rick Tyler

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 2>to speak on campus. He had simply rented out the

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 2>alumni hall, which is something any member of the public

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>can do, and the university had no legal avenue to

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 2>refuse to rent it to him. Shortly before Rick Tyler's

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 2>poorly attended and heavily protested announcement in Tennessee, William Daniel

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Johnson wrote a letter to the Federal Election Commission kind of.

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 2>He filed an amended statement of organization for the party

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 2>that FEC Form one, but stapled to the front of

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the form, he attached a letter. I don't think that's

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 2>an accepted form of communication with the Federal Election Commission.

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they'll reply to your letter if you

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>just staple it to a form, But he tried, and

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the letter reads as follows. Gentlemen, the requests of this

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 2>correspondence are made in conformity with the Freedom of Information

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Act USC Paragraph five to five to two, in accordance

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 2>with which obligation of response is twenty days. The American

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Freedom Party will be applying for FEC certification as a

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>political party for the United States of America. In order

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 2>for the party to meet FEC legal requirements for certification,

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>we require the FEC to forward to US post haste

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>within the twenty days as allocated by statute the exact

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 2>requirements necessary to comply for FEC full certification for the

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty election cycle. We request that the provided FEC

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>requirements as provided by the FEC be irrevocable and be

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 2>used and applied to all applying or already approved political

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 2>parties equally for the twenty twenty presidential election cycle. That's

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>definitely not how it works. The Federal Election Commission doesn't

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 2>do that. You can't just write to them and ask

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 2>them open ended questions about how you should be doing

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 2>election stuff. Besides, why didn't he just google it or

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>hire a political consultant and didn't he already know the answer? Remember,

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>back in twenty twelve, seven years before this, they sent

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 2>him a letter about the requirements he needs to get

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 2>an advisory opinion, and he claimed he was working on it.

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>The rules had not changed in those seven years. I'm

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 2>not sure the FEC replied to his letter, though they did,

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 2>however a few months later send another request for Additional

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 2>information letter, again informing the organization that what they need

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>to do is get an advisory opinion before they can

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 2>be considered a national party committee and Johnson again used

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the Federal Election Commission electronic filing system to send them

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 2>a letter, so his letter is preserved in the committee's filings,

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 2>and he wrote, I don't understand what you request. We

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>only take in under ten thousand dollars per year. Do

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 2>we need to petition the Commission for an advisory opinion?

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Should we check a different box on our forms or

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>use different forms we file Form three X. Your letter

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>threatens enforcement action if our response is not adequate. I

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 2>don't want that, but I don't understand what the issue is.

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 2>And then shortly after he filed that letter, they just

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>stopped filing entirely, probably in part because they were feeling

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 2>discouraged by their paperwork problems and they weren't actually raising

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>any money to report. But also their candidate got arrested

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>for tax evasion, so maybe their hearts just weren't in

0:33:50.840 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>it anymore. But I just can't wrap my head around

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Johnson's confusion here. The guidance available on the FEC's website

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 2>is clear enough. He had been personally and directly notified

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>about the need to request an advisory opinion back in

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve. He even claimed to have done it so

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>obviously he knew he needed to do it. But the

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:34.959
<v Speaker 2>most galling thing about this feigned ignorance is he knows

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 2>someone who knows how to do this. This isn't foreign territory.

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 2>When I was looking through the database of advisory opinions,

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I looked specifically for any opinion on this particular subject,

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:52.240
<v Speaker 2>some kind of third party group trying to get recognition

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 2>as a national political party. I wanted to see what

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 2>those requests look like, how often this is happening, and

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>how the federal allow commissions evaluating them. The Green Party's

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 2>request was initially denied in nineteen ninety six, but when

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 2>they reapplied in two thousand and one, they were granted

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 2>national party status. The Reform Party went through the process

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety eight. The Constitution Party, which was originally

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>called the US Taxpayers Party, was denied in nineteen ninety two,

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 2>but tried again in nineteen ninety five and gained party status.

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 2>So I'm flipping through these opinions and these applications, and

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 2>it's clear that the American Freedom Party wouldn't qualify even

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 2>if they had tried, But they could have at least

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>looked to these past applications to see how they were

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 2>supposed to structure this and what kinds of party activities

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 2>they should be aiming for if they wanted to qualify.

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 2>But maybe William Daniel Johnson didn't think to search the

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 2>database for inspiration. But why didn't he just ask the

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:03.399
<v Speaker 2>party's executive director, Not John Fasspender. He's still thinking high

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>school at this point. But from twenty ten to twenty fourteen,

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:11.800
<v Speaker 2>the American Freedom Party's executive director was a man named

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Don Wassell, and from nineteen eighty seven until nineteen ninety five,

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Don Wassell was the executive director of another party, the

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Populist Party. When the Populist Party ran David Duke for

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>president in nineteen eighty eight, Don Wassell submitted the party's

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>request for an advisory opinion. So in twenty twelve when

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the party got that letter, why was it a shock?

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Populist Party didn't get national party status.

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying Wassall would have been good at it,

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 2>or that he would have succeeded, but it does at

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 2>least appear as though he successfully stated the party's case

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.919
<v Speaker 2>to the degree that was possible. In nineteen eighty eight,

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 2>and that's something Johnson doesn't seem to have even tried

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 2>to do. By the end of the summer of twenty twenty,

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>the American Freedom Party had voluntarily terminated their committee with

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 2>the Federal Election Commission, and they've never refiled. There is

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 2>no currently active committee associated with that name, nor any

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>committee I can find associated with the names of any

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.879
<v Speaker 2>current or former member of their Board of directors. They

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 2>never successfully gained federal recognition as a national party, but

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>at least until twenty twenty, they could point to those

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 2>forms and pretend now they're not even trying. I guess

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.919
<v Speaker 2>it is possible that Fassbender is telling the truth about

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 2>gaining ballot access or party recognition in individual states, although

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I can find no evidence of it, and he never

0:37:55.040 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 2>says which states. Every state has its own rules, and

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 2>they don't all have good websites. But I dug around

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 2>on the Board of Election site for a dozen or

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.840
<v Speaker 2>so states that I believe they have some connection to,

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't find anything recent. In California, the only

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>state that has easily searchable records of all requests file

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>with the state for party status, they only ever tried

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 2>once in twenty fifteen, in California, a party attempting to

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>qualify for recognition has to submit signed affidavits from zero

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 2>point thirty three percent of the total number of registered

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 2>voters in the state. So in twenty sixteen that would

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 2>have meant around fifty seven thousand signatures. They submitted five,

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 2>not five thousand, not five hundred. Literally one two three

0:38:55.760 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 2>four five they got five signatures. So even though I

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 2>don't have numbers that detailed from other states, there's no

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 2>state whose rules would reward that level of effort. Every

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>state requires at least some thousands of signatures, even the Dakotas.

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.280
<v Speaker 2>The American Freedom Party doesn't even have a corporate entity

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 2>behind it anymore. The party incorporated in North Dakota in

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, but board member Jamie Kelso stopped filing the

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 2>paperwork in twenty nineteen, and the state dissolved the corporation

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one. The California brand that Johnson incorporated

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 2>in twenty nineteen was forfeited in twenty twenty for a

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 2>failure to file reports. They very recently updated their membership

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 2>application page, removing any clear reference to how much it

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 2>costs or how you can make that payment, but until

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 2>June of twenty twenty five, the website instructed applicants to

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 2>mail a check for fifty do to a UPS store

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 2>mailbox in New York City. They don't sell shirts or

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 2>stickers or hats. You can't pay online, you can't make

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 2>a donation. They aren't even asking for money, which seems

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 2>hard to believe. But I looked everywhere. Aside from that

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.399
<v Speaker 2>recently removed page on the website with instructions to make

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 2>checks out to the American Freedom Party, there's no publicly

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.319
<v Speaker 2>visible information about how you could give them money, even

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to, And that seems like it would

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>be a pretty big problem. How can you expect to

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>recruit younger members if the only way to get involved

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.240
<v Speaker 2>is to mail a paper check. That's a real barrier

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to entry in the twenty first century. But maybe the

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 2>logistics aren't a big deal because there aren't very many

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 2>members even trying to pay those dues. They don't hold

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.919
<v Speaker 2>public events, so there's there's no way to even guess

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 2>how many members they might have. The group's channel on

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 2>the messaging app Telegram has about three thousand members, but

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:14.439
<v Speaker 2>that has almost no correlation to actual group membership. Patriot Front,

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 2>for example, has seventeen thousand followers on Telegram and probably

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 2>just a few hundred members nationwide. In twenty twenty two,

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 2>John Fassbender claimed that membership was growing at quote an

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 2>alarming rate, but he wouldn't give a number. Charles Lincoln II,

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.320
<v Speaker 2>a disbarred attorney who's occasionally listed on the party's FEC

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 2>filings as their treasurer, said in a live stream last

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.840
<v Speaker 2>year that he'd been involved with the party since its founding,

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and he'd actually just come from a board meeting earlier

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 2>that day, but he had no idea how many members

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the group might have.

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>AFP. I don't know how to introduce the AFP except

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a very small It's basically the board and a

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>few members Beside the board. I don't know what our

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>membership is.

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Not only can he not even begin to guess how

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>many members there might be, He's never met one. They

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 2>might not exist.

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Again. I can speak mostly for the board rather than

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the membership. I don't really know any members who are

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>not members of the board.

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:39.280
<v Speaker 2>This was in February of twenty twenty four. Lincoln claims

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 2>to have been involved with the organization for fourteen years,

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 2>he's attending board meetings, he was responsible for the party's

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 2>campaign finance reports when they were trying to run a

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:56.720
<v Speaker 2>candidate for president, and he's never actually met a member

0:42:56.760 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 2>of the party aside from the board of directors. In

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 2>another one of Lincoln's streams that same month, he had

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>party chairman William Daniel Johnson on and he characterized the

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 2>number of members only as quote, not a whole lot.

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 2>So they're not really running candidates, they're not really registered

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>as a political party. They don't want your money. And

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>their own chairman said last year that there aren't very

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 2>many members, So what are they doing. I listened to

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 2>every crumb of audio I could find from the last

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>four years. There's not a ton, but it's still more

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 2>than I would have preferred to listen to. The party

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>went sort of dormant in twenty twenty after they terminated

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 2>their committee with the FEC, their presidential candidate got arrested,

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.560
<v Speaker 2>and their corporate entity was involuntarily dissolved. They didn't do

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 2>much for a while. In the fall of twenty twenty one,

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>they were ready to announce to the world that they

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 2>were back from their hiatus.

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 4>The reason being is We've been on a hiatus for

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 4>a long time now, while we completely overhauled and relaunched

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:19.320
<v Speaker 4>the party, it is completely unrecognizable from what it was

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:19.959
<v Speaker 4>a year ago.

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Well maybe not the world, but a conference room full

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 2>of racists attending the American Renaissance anual conference. Anyway, the

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.800
<v Speaker 2>group had a new website, a couple new board members

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 2>under forty and they were ready to try again. I

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 2>felt like I was missing something. I kept triple checking

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 2>the dates on these videos because it just didn't make

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 2>any sense. From the fall of twenty twenty one through

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 2>interviews recorded this year in twenty twenty five, they seem

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 2>to be just constantly announcing that they're it's happening any

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 2>day now. We're just about to announce something new and exciting.

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 2>We're back from our hiatus. You haven't seen us in years,

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 2>and we're back now, and it never happens. In two

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 2>interviews given over a year apart, Fastbender boasts that the

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:23.360
<v Speaker 2>party is just about to launch a nationwide campus organization,

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 2>a wing of the party for college students. The plan

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 2>was so close to being implemented three years ago. The

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 2>website hasn't had a new article at almost a year

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 2>They sometimes have a Twitter account, but it keeps getting

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>banned for hate speech. They hid information about their national

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>convention behind a password on the website and never publicly

0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 2>posted any information about how an interested prospective member might

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 2>inquire about attending. That's not how political parties behave, but

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 2>it isn't out of step with the standard mo of

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 2>a group whose members don't want to be publicly associated

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 2>with it. Their executive director isn't even using his real name.

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Magnano started using the name Johann Fassbender in twenty

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:22.800
<v Speaker 2>eighteen in private chats for Identity Europa members. And aside

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>from that smattering of candidates in the twenty tens, you

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:29.319
<v Speaker 2>know Merlin Miller in twenty twelve, Harry Bertram for some

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>state level offices in West Virginia twenty eleven, twenty twelve,

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 2>that disastrous revolving door of candidates for president in twenty sixteen.

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:44.719
<v Speaker 2>The party doesn't really run candidates. Most of the campaigns

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:49.320
<v Speaker 2>publicly associated with the party aren't even on the ballot

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>as American Freedom Party candidates, if they got on the

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 2>ballot at all. Current party chairman Ralph Brandt tried to

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 2>run for city Council in Mesa, Arizona, and twenty tive twelve,

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 2>but he failed to collect the two hundred and thirty

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 2>three signatures required to get his name on the ballot.

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 2>When Harry Bertram ran for office in West Virginia, he

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 2>was usually just listed on the ballot as an independent

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:20.759
<v Speaker 2>candidate and instead of receiving funds labeled as being from

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 2>his party. One significant cash and fusion related to Bertram's

0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven campaign came in as an independent expenditure from

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 2>the party's chairman in his personal capacity, which, again, I

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know a lot about elections, but that doesn't seem

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 2>entirely in line with my understanding of campaign finance law.

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't actually find anyone publicly claiming to be running

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 2>as a member of the American Freedom Party at any

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 2>time in any place in the last five years since

0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:02.800
<v Speaker 2>their big relaunch and recommitment, but Fastpender is constantly claiming

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.879
<v Speaker 2>it's happening. He just can't tell you who the candidates are,

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 2>or where they live, or what they're running for. So

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the party is fielding candidates, but only secretly. When he

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 2>was asked last month how many candidates the party ran

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 2>in the most recent election cycle, he finally gave a number.

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 4>Three, so we had three. Typically, the AFP holds our

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 4>candidates identities and their ties to the party relatively close

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:41.320
<v Speaker 4>for obvious reasons, because.

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 3>No, we don't.

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.280
<v Speaker 4>That's not to say that we don't run some candidates

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 4>very openly as AFP, though we do. There's stratton, there's

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<v Speaker 4>validity in both. But as far as we're concerned, it's

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<v Speaker 4>about winning first and foremost. If you need to run

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<v Speaker 4>as a Democrat in an area, run as a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 4>If you need to run as a Republican, run as

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<v Speaker 4>a Republican. If the viability is they are to run

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<v Speaker 4>as the American Freedom Party openly, run as the American

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<v Speaker 4>Freedom Party.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does it mean to be a political party

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't accept or spend money. The board members

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know if there are members of the party,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's so toxic to be associated with the brand

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't even say the names of your own candidates,

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<v Speaker 2>In what way is that a political party? Honestly, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I'm trying so hard to figure out some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of plausible theory of what's going on here to

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<v Speaker 2>offer you, because usually the answer is grift, plain and simple.

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<v Speaker 2>But they aren't asking for money. I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>The party does seem to be making another attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>move forward a national convention in March of this year,

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<v Speaker 2>again because they can't convince their own members to publicly

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<v Speaker 2>associate with the party. Even the very limited number of

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<v Speaker 2>carefully curated photos of the event have all of the

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<v Speaker 2>attendee's faces blurret out. On social media. They posted videos

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<v Speaker 2>of just four speakers, and none of those speakers are

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<v Speaker 2>in the party leadership, at least not publicly. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>indication that they're current chairman Ralph Brandt even attended. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not who was missing that really intrigued me, though, it's

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<v Speaker 2>who was there. The keynote speaker at the party's convention

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a member of the board of directors. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a past or current candidate for office on the party's ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Thomas Rousseau, the leader of Patriot Front. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't tell you how many members of the American Free

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<v Speaker 2>Edom Party attended the convention, but photos show a contingent

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<v Speaker 2>of about a dozen members of Patriot Front. In December

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four, just a few months before that convention,

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<v Speaker 2>in March, the American Freedom Party issued an official statement

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<v Speaker 2>endorsing Patriot Front, declaring their values to be in seamless

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<v Speaker 2>harmony and pledging to stand shoulder to shoulder united by

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<v Speaker 2>their shared vision. This is perhaps a return to their roots.

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<v Speaker 2>The party originally grew out of a group of skinheads

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find a way to look legitimate. The white

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<v Speaker 2>power movement has always had suits and boots. That is

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<v Speaker 2>your respectable intellectual types, your Richard Spencer, dapper Nazi kind

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 2>of guys, your hotel conference rooms full of middle aged

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.400
<v Speaker 2>men watching a PowerPoint about the genetic superiority of the

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<v Speaker 2>Aryan race. Then it has their counterparts, the street fighters,

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.799
<v Speaker 2>the black shirts, the men who hide their faces and

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:09.040
<v Speaker 2>wrap their knuckles. The two groups often find themselves at odds,

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<v Speaker 2>disagreeing about tactics and optics, but they need each other

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<v Speaker 2>and they know it all the way Back in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen at the American Freedom Party conference, board member Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Sunich stood up to say something after the leader of

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<v Speaker 2>the Golden State Skinheads finished his remarks.

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<v Speaker 8>I would like to thank this young gentleman. This is

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<v Speaker 8>what I keep saying. It is a very good people.

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<v Speaker 8>I can do my job with my pen, with my cravat,

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<v Speaker 8>with my suit, and he can do his job. But

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<v Speaker 8>I know first hand there's a frontman, there's a good people,

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<v Speaker 8>and certainly you can come in in just as we

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<v Speaker 8>can be coming in so folks to religious service, thank

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<v Speaker 8>you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do my job with my pen, with my suit,

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<v Speaker 2>and he can do his job. Everyone in the room

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<v Speaker 2>knows what that job is. The job of the Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>skinhead is violence. Patriot Fronts aesthetic is obviously very different

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<v Speaker 2>from the classic neo Nazi skinhead. They aren't bald and tattooed,

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:39.279
<v Speaker 2>they've abandoned the Doc Martins. Culturally, they're very different from

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<v Speaker 2>skinheads in their clean cut khaki pants and matching jackets.

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<v Speaker 2>But politically, I think the symbiosis proposed here is similar.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do the paperwork and give speeches, and you will

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<v Speaker 2>march in the streets. The American Freedom Party has never

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<v Speaker 2>once succeeded in any of its endeavors, and it's unclear

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<v Speaker 2>what their future plans are at this point, but it

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<v Speaker 2>does look a little bit like there are some groups

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<v Speaker 2>out there trying to once again unite the right. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't a story we have to come back to,

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<v Speaker 2>at least not with a new ending. I do hope

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<v Speaker 2>to circle back on some of those intriguing loosens in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle eventually. For now, though, I'll leave you with

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<v Speaker 2>this inspiring statement made by one of the speakers at

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<v Speaker 2>that convention in March. Sam Dixon has long since retired

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<v Speaker 2>from his career as a lawyer for the Klan. These days,

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<v Speaker 2>he makes the rounds speaking at white nationalist events all

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<v Speaker 2>over the country, and he runs a lucrative real estate business,

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<v Speaker 2>purchasing property tax debt and forcing old people out of

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<v Speaker 2>their homes for pennies on the dollar. He gave a

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<v Speaker 2>rambling thirty minute speech, managing to impart absolutely no wisdom

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<v Speaker 2>gleaned from his sixty years in the movement, but he

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<v Speaker 2>had one very important message for the white nationalists attending

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<v Speaker 2>that Ethno State Party conference at a mysterious castle in

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<v Speaker 2>West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 4>We are not weird of us.

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<v Speaker 5>We are normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Little Guys is a production of Cool Zone Media

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<v Speaker 2>and iHeartRadio. It's research, written and recorded by me Lollie Conger.

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<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers are Sophie Leutman and Robert Evans. The

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<v Speaker 2>show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gigan. The

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<v Speaker 2>theme music was composed by Brad Dickert. You can email

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<v Speaker 2>will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it.

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