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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, so called mommy vlogger turned

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Speaker 1: convicted child abuser Ruby Frankie new claims, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: does it never end with her and her buddy Hildebrant.

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Speaker 1: The Ruby Frankie prosecutor claims investigators quote questioned the influencer

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Speaker 1: mom's relationship with Jody Hildebrant. The husband tells cops the

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Speaker 1: two were sleeping in the same bed. Who cares if.

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Speaker 2: The two women were having an affair. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I care what happened to the children.

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Speaker 1: And there's more. Bombshell claims in the case. I'm Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get it out there. The prosecutor on the

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Speaker 1: case of convicted mommy vlogger Ruby Frankie questioned the relationship

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Speaker 1: she had with business partner Jody Hildebrant.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they slept in the same bed. Does that

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Speaker 2: change anything about this case?

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Speaker 1: Apparently it's all revealed by Ruby Frankie's daughter, who caught mom,

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Speaker 1: if you can call her that, Ruby Frankie with another

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Speaker 1: child abuse her, Jody Hildebrant. According to the daughter, of

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Speaker 1: course now estranged. Bombshell new memoir is called In the

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Speaker 1: House of My Mother, A Daughter's Quest for Freedom. Shery Frankie,

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Speaker 1: now twenty one, describes discovering the truth about her mom's relationship.

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Speaker 1: Now getting this part. While Frankie and Hildebrant condemned gay

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Speaker 1: people to their millions of followers, according to the daughter,

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Speaker 1: Hildebrant's friendship with the Mormon mom of six, Ruby Frankie,

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Speaker 1: while it started as business, quickly turned to sex. According

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Speaker 1: to the daughter Sherry, others were told the upstairs to

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Speaker 1: the home was quote off limits, including to the husband, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: He could leave the house whenever he wanted to, says

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Speaker 1: the daughter, but he couldn't come back without Ruby Frankie's permission.

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Speaker 3: Ooh.

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Speaker 1: Even access to the kitchen for meals required her Ruby

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Speaker 1: Frankie's approval. Before long, Ruby Frankie, according to the daughter,

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Speaker 1: had moved into Jody Hildebrant's room from the marital bedroom.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: According to Jody Frankie's daughter, Hildebrandt had very detailed visions,

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Speaker 1: including some where she says she saw Ruby Frankie walking

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Speaker 1: on the water beside Christ Okay, now I'm getting mad,

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Speaker 1: and others. Hildebrant apparently envisioned herself writing a massive li

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Speaker 1: lion named Charles through the gates of Heaven. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: know I've said a million times, Lord, I will be

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Speaker 1: happy just to be a little mouse in the corner.

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Speaker 1: Please let me into heaven. Apparently this one's gonna ride

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Speaker 1: through the Heaven's gates on a lion named Charles. The

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Speaker 1: two that would be Jody Hildebrant and Ruby Frankie spent

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Speaker 1: an incredible amount of time quote hunker down in their

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Speaker 1: upstairs sanctuary, leaving to take shopping trips to Mexico, returning

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Speaker 1: with bags full of pills. I don't know what that's about.

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Speaker 1: All I care about is whether the children were abused

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Speaker 1: and starved, and according to a court of law, they were.

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Speaker 1: Hilda Brant and Frankie sitting behind bars. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why so much focus is on whether the two had

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Speaker 1: a sex relationship, but I find it highly ironic that

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Speaker 1: these two condemned gay people and their lifestyle, while, according

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Speaker 1: to the daughter, that was their lifestyle. Why is everyone

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Speaker 1: so worried about who other people are sleeping with. It's

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Speaker 1: all I can do to keep my car in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the road. Can we talk about the facts

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Speaker 1: of the case. Please let me remind everyone what happened

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Speaker 1: to these children.

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Speaker 2: Let's kick it off with our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 4: Arrest documents saying the child escaped to a neighbor's home.

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Speaker 4: The twelve year old child described by that neighbor in

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Speaker 4: a phone call to police as emaciated and malnourished with

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Speaker 4: open wounds. Core documents also describing deep lacerations from being

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Speaker 5: About the thing that or back at the Homer's bum.

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Speaker 6: Police say they also found Frankie's ten year old daughter malnourished.

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Speaker 6: Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions

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Speaker 7: Police say a clearly malnourished twelve year old child crawled

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Speaker 7: out of the window of Hildebrand's Ivans Area home. A

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Speaker 2: And believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it,

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Speaker 2: Something you never forget.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was going to South Carolina just

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Speaker 1: went to Aruba with Natalie Holloway's mother just recently, tried

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Speaker 1: over and over food deprivation, starving your child. I think

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Speaker 2: Who and the hell is the mommy?

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Speaker 1: Who and the hell is the dad that would do

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Speaker 1: this to their children? Well, I hope you're sitting down,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at GMA.

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Speaker 6: A Utah mom influencer arrested facing six felony counts of

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Speaker 6: aggravated child abuse for the first time, we're hearing emergency

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Speaker 6: responders as you see one of Ruby Frankie's children after

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Speaker 6: he allegedly escaped through a window.

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Speaker 5: And now that's how don Fa Brown to each uncle

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Speaker 5: he's not telling up the right and said that he

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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first someone to go

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Speaker 1: to investigative reporter with KSL dot com out of Utah.

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Speaker 2: Emily Ashcraft is with us. Emily, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Who is this woman?

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Speaker 1: And we're hearing a lot about the mom, but as

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Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, the father hen goes straight to

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Speaker 1: hell too.

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Speaker 2: But first tell me who is she?

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Speaker 8: She is a family YouTuber blogger and the family, actually

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Speaker 8: it's it's YouTube channel faded out or stopped recently and

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Speaker 8: she started up another YouTube channel as a counselor instead

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Speaker 2: What is eight Passengers?

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Speaker 8: So that's the family's YouTube channel, and you know she

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Speaker 8: said in an article KSL wrote years ago that she

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Speaker 8: like to have kids that are getting older. Kind of

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Speaker 8: the rewards of motherhood is what she wanted to show

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Speaker 8: off in her in the eight Passengers YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Ruby Ranky YouTuber mom of six Ruby Rankie.

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Speaker 2: F R A n k E. How many followers?

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Speaker 1: I understand over two point two million subscribers to eight

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Speaker 1: passengers channel.

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Speaker 8: That's the numbers that I've seen as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who in the hay is drinking the kool aid?

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to know, And I want to

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Speaker 1: go now to Donna Kelly, former Utah Senior Deputy District

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Speaker 1: attorney and lawyer for crime Victim's Legal Clinic. Donna, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. And I've seen this over

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Speaker 1: and over and over. It's not just a story. It's

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Speaker 1: not something we're reporting on. It's not some fiction or

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Speaker 1: TV made for TV movie. Not only do you have

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Speaker 1: the parents abusing the child horribly, but people around them,

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Speaker 1: they know what's happening, and.

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Speaker 2: They do nothing. What is wrong with these people?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not as if this just happened and

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Speaker 1: they suddenly see, oh, the child has bruises all over

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Speaker 1: their arms. That's suspicious. They're starved. They're starved. That takes

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Speaker 1: a long period.

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Speaker 2: Of time, Donna Kelly, and nobody noticed.

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Speaker 9: Yes it does.

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Speaker 10: And unfortunately, many abusers are have the mindset that they

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Speaker 10: work hard at portraying themselves as you know, the good parent,

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Speaker 10: the parent you go to when you need advice. That

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Speaker 10: type of thing is not uncommon, and so that appears

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Speaker 9: Were fooled.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I just want you to hear something. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 11: Independent journalist and YouTuber Katie Paulson tracks child abuse cases.

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Speaker 11: She says Frankie's YouTube channel eight passengers caught her attention

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Speaker 12: Saying how she would send her daughter to school with

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Speaker 11: She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about

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Speaker 12: He was talking about how he had been sleeping on

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Speaker 1: That child had to sleep on a beanbank chair for

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Speaker 1: seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother,

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Speaker 1: A prank, i might add, that didn't even cause any

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Speaker 1: physical harm. What he did was he told the brother

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Speaker 1: they were going to Disneyland the next morning, and the

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Speaker 2: It was a joe. They didn't go to Disneyland. That

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Speaker 2: was the frank.

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Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Bombshell claims that Ruby Frankie had a steamy affair with

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Speaker 1: her fellow abuser.

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Speaker 2: Jody Hildebrant.

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Speaker 1: The two can think about that behind bars, and FYI

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Speaker 1: don't care. I care about the horrific child abuse inflicted

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Speaker 2: Reality check. This is what happened here. We've got a

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Speaker 2: mom starving the children.

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Speaker 1: And bragging about it online. But I also don't understand.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, you can

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Speaker 1: find her at psychologydoctor dot com. She's bad enough, But

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Speaker 1: who are the two point two million people that tune

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Speaker 13: Well, I can tell you I certainly wasn't tuning in.

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Speaker 13: I've never even heard of Ruby frank until this came up.

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Speaker 13: But what's more, deplorables her sidekick, Jody Hildebrandt, who's a

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Speaker 13: license professional, who's observing this the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Two point two million people are following this witch straight

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Speaker 1: from hell. I want you to hear more of what

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Speaker 1: we have learned. Take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 18: Com According to an arrest report obtained by WFTV, wolf

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Speaker 1: You know what makes Ruby different from the Turpin mob.

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Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie is glamorous. Yeah, she has this YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: Let me spell that doesn't look like it sounds. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you think you know your neighbor, You

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Speaker 19: What do you have to say, Well, Nancy, there's a

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Speaker 9: To the extreme. We're not just showing like discipline online,

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy. Actually, my two kids were the ones that

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Speaker 12: They always say if you see something, say something, and

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Speaker 8: to food to school probably and the later the mom said,

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Speaker 8: you know, justifying it. After after child protective services were

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Speaker 8: called she said, you know it was I didn't learn

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Speaker 8: until two hours before the end of school, and it

445
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Speaker 8: was a forty five minute drive, so getting it to her.

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Speaker 1: Really, because that's not what she said in her blood gratitude.

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Speaker 1: She said it was because the child didn't the six

448
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Speaker 1: year old girl did not pack her own lunch.

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Speaker 14: Changed said that.

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Speaker 1: She knew it would ease the teacher's discomfort if her

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Speaker 1: child had food.

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Speaker 2: What about the child? What about the child's discomfort? That's

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Speaker 2: not all.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cuts twenty seven and twenty

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Speaker 1: eight more of Ruby Frankie.

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Speaker 20: Kevin and I we have six children. The two youngest

457
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Speaker 20: are showing long patterns of selfishness. They have been showing

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Speaker 20: through their choices, their unwillingness to repent, their unwillingness to

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Speaker 20: feel sorrow over some pretty egregious choices.

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Speaker 2: That they've made.

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Speaker 20: So Kevin and I have decided that we are going

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Speaker 20: to give the gift of truth to them this year

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Speaker 20: for Christmas. We are having to give them the gift

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Speaker 20: of boundaries, and we're going to give them the gift

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Speaker 20: of repentance. So we sat down with them and we

466
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Speaker 20: let them know how deeply sorrowful we've been because of

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Speaker 20: the choices that they have been making and how it's

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00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 20: affected their teachers at school, it's affected their peers, it's

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Speaker 20: affected our home. The siblings, we just laid it out

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Speaker 20: very clear and we told them that this year they

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Speaker 20: are not going to be visited by Santa.

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Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie's children speak out. Frankie convicted felon for horribly

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Speaker 1: abusing and starving her children. Her children's slamming quote unethical

475
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Speaker 1: family vlogging, saying they will not follow in their mother's footsteps.

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Speaker 1: According to her oldest son, Chad, this is him speaking

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Speaker 1: on Good Morning America. I eventually want to have a family,

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Speaker 1: and I've learned from my mom's mistakes.

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Speaker 2: These poor children will.

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Speaker 1: Be haunted forever by their mother and her henchperson Minion

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Speaker 1: from Hell, Jodie Hildebrandt's abuse of them, and I would

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Speaker 1: like to add, following her children speaking out, that Utah

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Speaker 1: has added protections for child influencers following Ruby Frankie's child

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Speaker 1: abuse conviction. That's right, a state legislature actually does something worthwhile.

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Speaker 1: A few tuesdays ago, Utah adds new protections for the

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Speaker 1: children of online content Creators. Governor Spencer Cox signed the

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Speaker 1: law giving adults a path to scrub from all platforms

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Speaker 1: digital content they were featured in as miners, and it

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Speaker 1: requires parents to set aside money for their children that

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Speaker 1: are featured in this content. Why because children cannot give

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Speaker 1: informed consent to be filmed on social media period. Even

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Speaker 1: Frankie's husband joined in, quote vlogging my family. Putting my

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Speaker 1: children in public social media was wrong and I regret

494
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Speaker 1: it every day. Hey, then why did you let it happen?

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Speaker 1: That's a good question.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the husband, what is Ruby Frankie's ex husband

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Speaker 1: doing now now? Kevin Frankie, he says he quote still

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Speaker 1: loves her? What How can you love somebody that mistreated

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Speaker 1: your own children so horribly? And ps, where were you

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00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: during all of that? Okay, all their marital issues aside.

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Speaker 1: This is what we know happened.

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Speaker 20: We are going to give the gift of truth to

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Speaker 20: them this year for Christmas. We are having to give

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00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 20: them the gift of boundaries, and we're going to give

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Speaker 20: them the gift of repentance. So we sat down with

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Speaker 20: them and we let them know how deeply sorrowful we've

508
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Speaker 20: been because of the choices that they have been making,

509
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Speaker 20: and how it's affected their teachers at school, it's affected

510
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Speaker 20: their peers, it's affected in our home. The siblings and

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Speaker 20: we just laid it out very clear, and we told

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Speaker 20: them that this year they are not going to be

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Speaker 20: visited by Santa. We let them know that Christmas morning, therefore,

514
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 20: older siblings will be getting Christmas presents to open and

515
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Speaker 20: that they will have the gift of love from their

516
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Speaker 20: dad to I.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's just examine what we just heard. Donna Kelly

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Speaker 1: joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney.

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Speaker 2: Donna.

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Speaker 1: She says, the youngest two, which I believe to be

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Speaker 1: around the ages of six and seven, were unwilling to

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Speaker 1: quote repent. So therefore, while all the other children were

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Speaker 1: visited by Santa, the two little ones were not because

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Speaker 1: they would not quote repent. I didn't make that up,

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Speaker 1: she said that. And after you speak, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: need a shrink on this. Go ahead, Donna Kelly and Donna,

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Speaker 1: I know You've seen this, as have I, where one

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Speaker 1: or more children are picked out as the targets. Although

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Speaker 1: I think all of these children have been abused and mistreated, seemingly,

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Speaker 1: one usually is picked out as the most despised and

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Speaker 1: hated and their torture more than anyone else. These two children,

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Speaker 1: as they watch their sisters and brothers get Christmas Morning surprises,

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Speaker 1: they get nothing. And then there are two children that

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Speaker 1: are bound with duct tape and ropes and starved. I

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Speaker 1: just want to get my hands around this woman's neck.

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00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Then not only does she do this to her children

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Speaker 1: behind closed doors, she brags about it on a YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel that is two point two million followers.

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Speaker 10: It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her portray herself

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Speaker 10: as the victim. You know, we told these two children

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Speaker 10: that their dad and I were very sorrowful, and so

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Speaker 10: she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a very

543
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Speaker 10: common abuser tactic, you know, gaslighting the victim. And these

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Speaker 10: are children. They need to learn by trial and error

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Speaker 10: as they go along, and the parents need to be

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Speaker 10: responding to them in that way, in a kind and

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Speaker 10: loving way, and it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can see

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Speaker 10: why they were charged with severe emotional harm of these

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Speaker 10: two children. In the charging document, they're charged with not

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Speaker 10: only torture maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which it

551
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Speaker 10: absolutely is.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologists and consultant. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of the other children, four of them getting

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Speaker 1: all their Christmas gifts from Santa and these two being

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Speaker 1: left out on Christmas morning, one of the biggest days,

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Speaker 1: one of the two biggest days in the Christian year,

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Speaker 1: that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't quote repent.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them,

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Speaker 13: punish them, humiliate them. You know, it's all this sort

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Speaker 13: of brainwashing, gaslightingness.

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Speaker 1: On a six year old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six

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Speaker 1: year old child and her brother.

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Speaker 2: So let me understand something.

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Speaker 1: The Emily Ashcroft, the six year old child that had

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Speaker 1: food withheld, would that be the child left behind in

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Speaker 1: the home, starving and tied up when the twelve year

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Speaker 1: old brother escapes through the window.

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Speaker 8: That would be that same child.

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Speaker 1: So this has been going on since the little girl

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Speaker 1: was six and the little.

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Speaker 2: Boy was eight.

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Speaker 8: One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her

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Speaker 8: arrest was that those children weren't fit to be around

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Speaker 8: other children. And I'm not sure what she means by that,

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Speaker 8: but it seems like it was specific to those two.

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Speaker 2: Where is the dad and all this?

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Speaker 8: Ruby Frankie and her children were down in Ivans, which

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Speaker 8: is probably about three between three and four hours from Springville.

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Speaker 8: We know that Ruby Frankie was there because she shows

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Speaker 8: up in a video and that's why she was charged.

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Speaker 8: She was in a video that was posted shortly before.

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Speaker 8: We don't know if the dad was down there in Ivans,

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Speaker 8: up in Springville, how long he hadn't been there, or

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Speaker 8: maybe he wasn't Ivans.

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Speaker 1: Did he not notice two of his children, at least

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Speaker 1: two of them, or being slowly starved and tortured near death?

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Speaker 1: I mean when neighbors noticed the child is starved and

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Speaker 1: covered in duct tape on their extremities. So she didn't

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Speaker 1: know what's going on. And apparently this has been going

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Speaker 1: on for some time. At least the little girl was six. Guys,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut thirty.

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Speaker 8: Carturing him stuffing, I know you're not, but it looks

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Speaker 8: like you are.

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Speaker 20: I'm only going to say it one more time and

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Speaker 20: then you're going.

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Speaker 3: To lose the privilege to eat dinner.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I hear the laughter.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, but I also hear

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Speaker 1: you're going to lose the privilege of eating dinner. I

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Speaker 1: hear Ruby Frankie saying that what makes her any different

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Speaker 1: from all the other abusive parents hair and makeup? Two

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Speaker 1: hours of hair and makeup before she gets in front

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Speaker 1: of the camera. To Jason Jensen joining US high profile

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Speaker 1: private investigator out of Utah located in Salt Lake City,

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Speaker 1: Jason Jensen, how are we going to go about proving

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Speaker 1: this case?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think you hit most of it on the head,

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Speaker 9: and basically we have to show that there's a pattern,

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Speaker 9: a history between the actor, the abuser and her victim children.

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Speaker 9: And we have that pretty well established from some of

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Speaker 9: the outtakes of the you Tube channel, things that have

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Speaker 9: been brought up by fellow viewers and that we've discussed

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Speaker 9: here during the program. There's a history of this type

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Speaker 9: of neglect and abuse against these two particular children that

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Speaker 9: have been slowly brewing over time, where it was perhaps

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Speaker 9: determined to be minor, not enough to remove the children

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Speaker 9: from the home before, but now we're so severe that

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Speaker 9: they're being bound in duct taped like you know abductees,

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Speaker 9: and they're not even allowed to you know, venture forth

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Speaker 9: from the house. And every time that they get in trouble,

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Speaker 9: food is taken away as a punishment.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Also, we're learning that one Abruby Frankie's other daughters says

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Speaker 1: her mother was reported to police years before.

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Speaker 2: For abuse, yes, and nothing was done.

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Speaker 1: And sisters of Frankie three sisters have also released statements

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Speaker 1: admitting that they quote kept quiet on the subject.

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Speaker 2: What in the hay is that doctor Dana Anderson.

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Speaker 1: That the family knows, but they choose to remain quiet

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Speaker 1: and let the children continue to starve and be tied

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Speaker 1: up and bound.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. I can't say the extent of what the family knew,

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Speaker 13: but they certainly had some information. And I think it's

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Speaker 13: interesting that they've quickly made statements to the public stating

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Speaker 13: what side they're on. And I wonder if what the

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Speaker 13: phone longue would show of them attempting to reach out

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Speaker 13: or call CPS or the police.

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Speaker 1: Because they've issued a statement and I'm quoting them, we

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Speaker 1: quote kept quiet on the subject. Now the daughter Sherry

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Speaker 1: has something to say. Take a listen to our cut.

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Speaker 1: Twenty box thirteen.

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Speaker 11: Frank's oldest daughter, Sherry frank posted to her public Instagram

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Speaker 11: a photo of police with the caption. Finally, she added

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Speaker 11: another story, saying me and my family are so glad

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Speaker 11: justice is being served. We've been trying to tell the

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Speaker 11: police and CPS for years about this and so glad

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Speaker 11: they finally decided to step up. Kids are safe, but

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Speaker 11: there's a long road ahead. Please keep them in your

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Speaker 11: prayers and also respect their privacy.

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Speaker 1: The sisters, who are also YouTubers state this is their quote.

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Speaker 2: For the last three years, we have.

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Speaker 1: Kept quiet on the subject of our sister Ruby Frankie

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Speaker 1: for the sake of her children, behind the public saying

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Speaker 1: we've done everything we could to try and make sure

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Speaker 1: the kids were safe. Really because they weren't the three sisters.

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Speaker 1: They were starving, they were being bound by ropes and

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Speaker 1: duct tape, and what if anything did you.

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Speaker 2: Do about it?

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Speaker 1: Sounds like nothing, because I have a very strong suspicion

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Speaker 1: that if they had called Defects Department, Family Children's Services, CPS,

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Speaker 1: CHOP Protitive Services and some jurisdictions that there would have

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Speaker 1: been a response. Would you agree, Donna Kelly.

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Speaker 10: Oh, absolutely absolutely, Guys.

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Speaker 2: There's another person arrested. Take a list. Nower cut eighteen

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Speaker 2: Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 11: Eight passengers was taken down earlier this year, and that's

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Speaker 11: when Frankie partnered with Jody Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist, in

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Speaker 11: a channel called Connections, where they gave parenting and life advice.

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Speaker 11: Pictured in Hildebrant's home, the same place Frankie's son escaped

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Speaker 11: from and where her daughter was found being held captive

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Speaker 11: in the basement.

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Speaker 12: It's heartbreaking, and I think it's heartbreaking for the community

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Speaker 12: that watched this family. Knew that something was wrong.

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Speaker 1: So people watched the family and knew something was wrong

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Speaker 1: and did nothing. Now I want you to hear more

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Speaker 1: of what the sisters said. We wouldn't feel right about

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Speaker 1: moving forward with regular content without addressing the most recent events,

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Speaker 1: their sister getting arrested and her friend, Jody Hildebrant. But

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Speaker 1: they say once we do, we will not be commenting

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Speaker 1: on it further. Ruby was arrested, which needed to happen.

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Speaker 1: Jody was arrested, which needed to happen. The kids are

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Speaker 1: now safe, which is number one priority. Really, the number

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Speaker 1: one priority. You say you've remained silent for three years.

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Speaker 1: Why did you stand by and let this happen to

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Speaker 1: these children? It seems like Ruby, Frankie, and Jody Hildebrant

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Speaker 1: just cannot stay out of the headlines.

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Speaker 3: Headlines, be damned.

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Speaker 1: She mistreated, abused, beat and starved her children. Ruby Frankie,

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Speaker 1: Jody Hildebrandt. I guarantee you it ain't over yet. Goodbye

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Speaker 1: friend

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