Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast wants the NFL to change
Speaker 1: the name of every holiday.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL. My name
Speaker 2: is Dan Hansis, and I have with me heroes virtually
Speaker 2: across the Southland and beyond. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Happy
Speaker 2: Day After Thanksgiving presented by the National Football League in
Speaker 2: honor of John Madden. I don't think I have all
Speaker 2: the wording right, but probably close enough.
Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving Day After, presented by John Madden? Did did you?
Speaker 3: Did you boys enjoy and enjoy the day?
Speaker 4: Yes, had a great day. I noticed that the Black
Speaker 4: Friday Jets Dolphins ad that they ran came very close
Speaker 4: in tone and sort of authority to Dan's suggestion that
Speaker 4: at some point will just be rolling games out on
Speaker 4: Easter Sunday. They kind of like made it clear, are
Speaker 4: we now own this day?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: They got it, They got thanks They've always had Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: and now they have Friday. And that's coming up in
Speaker 2: a couple hours. We're gonna be watching that game and
Speaker 2: we'll have the recap of that on the Sunday Show.
Speaker 1: But for today, and it was a very nice Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: We host it every year at our house and it's
Speaker 2: a friends giving, but you know the friends are very close,
Speaker 2: so it's a like family. So it's a it's a
Speaker 2: great holiday. And the one thing in the NFL really
Speaker 2: has nailed about it, it is you know, you can't imagine
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving without football, and especially without that first game in
Speaker 2: Detroit with the Lions. A game boys that we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to first, we're gonna go in order that none
Speaker 2: of us kind of expected to playing out this way,
Speaker 2: and it kind of changed for me a lot of
Speaker 2: my thoughts about the NFC underneath, you know, the big boys,
Speaker 2: which I don't count the lines among At this point,
Speaker 2: let's hit it. Twenty three fourteen Packers, three forty five
Speaker 2: to go in the third, watch into the left, snap
Speaker 2: to Love Loft the left side of the end, ton
Speaker 2: kut touchdown, Christian Watson.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they make the Lions pay sixteen yard touchdown reception.
Speaker 1: It's twenty nine to fourteen. Wayne Larravie with the call
Speaker 1: for WR and W.
Speaker 2: And you know, we thought we were gonna hear from
Speaker 2: Wayne from Dan Miller of the Lions, because everything seems
Speaker 2: set up for the Detroit Lions in this great revitalization
Speaker 2: period to announce themselves as a dominant force and kick
Speaker 2: butt on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: But it went the other way.
Speaker 2: The Packers win twenty nine to twenty two, and it
Speaker 2: really wasn't that close things were. The tone was set
Speaker 2: on a Jordan Love fifty three yard pass to Christian
Speaker 2: Watson on the game's first play.
Speaker 1: Greg, we talked about it on the Wednesday preview show.
Speaker 2: They lead the league and explosives like that, and they
Speaker 2: just kept taking it to the Lions. Greg, Lions team that,
Speaker 2: on top of being flat flooded to start the game,
Speaker 2: just killing themselves with the mistakes throughout the afternoon and
Speaker 2: they could not put it together.
Speaker 3: They couldn't. I mean, on some level, it starts with
Speaker 3: Jared Goff, you know, turnovers for the second straight week.
Speaker 3: But I really think it starts back in Week seven,
Speaker 3: and that's when we saw the Lions play the Ravens,
Speaker 3: and that was a game they were so comprehensibly destroyed
Speaker 3: on every level. Did make you think, hmm, well you
Speaker 3: can throw that out like a little bit, but let's
Speaker 3: see how that goes. Since then, they've played four pretty
Speaker 3: lackluster teams, five if you want to count the Packers,
Speaker 3: although they're certainly playing better now, and they're the worst
Speaker 3: defense or the second worst defense in the league, depending
Speaker 3: on what metric you want to use. They all agree.
Speaker 3: And that's a five week sample size. And that's against
Speaker 3: some pretty good quarterbacks, you know, like Justin Herbert and
Speaker 3: Lamar's in there. But it's also against the Raiders and
Speaker 3: Jordan Love who is playing better and better every week,
Speaker 3: but is not a top ten quarter back right now.
Speaker 3: And all these guys are having career days against them.
Speaker 3: And I'm with you, Dan, I think they can improve,
Speaker 3: but right now, it's hard to see them in the
Speaker 3: mix with the truly great NFC teams.
Speaker 4: Hmmm, I don't know. I mean, I if we talk
Speaker 4: about them as a playoff possibility, I think they're going
Speaker 4: to test for that number seven spot. I think yesterday.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm with you, Dan, and.
Speaker 3: The Lions, you think are going to test for them?
Speaker 4: I'm talking about I'm saying Green Bay absolutely now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking about the Lions at eight and three.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not putting with.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I think the Lions, like to me, like the good
Speaker 4: to watch. How their their strength was was their offensive line,
Speaker 4: and I thought that their offensive line was one of
Speaker 4: the reasons that Jared Goff had been you know, pristine
Speaker 4: going back to last season in many ways, and everything's
Speaker 4: changed over the last couple of weeks, like three lost
Speaker 4: fumbles yesterday, six turnovers over the last two weeks. So
Speaker 4: lucky they got out of that Bears game with a win,
Speaker 4: and it you know, in this division that seemed to
Speaker 4: be essentially just kind of handed up to them. I'm
Speaker 4: looking to my point before, I'm looking at Green Bay
Speaker 4: and thinking, like, wait a minute, they're changing before our eyes.
Speaker 4: Their quarterback is, their passing game is, and I look
Speaker 4: at that game and like, I don't really remember Matt
Speaker 4: Lfloor having a better performance as a coach. I think
Speaker 4: no one expected that to happen the way it did.
Speaker 4: He came in with a surprising game plan. They stomped
Speaker 4: Detroit at home, doing what they do well now. And
Speaker 4: it's a different Packers team than before because of their quarterback,
Speaker 4: because they're young wide receivers and I'm not really sure
Speaker 4: what the ceiling is for the Packers at this point.
Speaker 4: It's like they're still kind of growing before our eyes.
Speaker 4: But it's like they absolutely like I thought a week ago, oh,
Speaker 4: the Vikings will take that number seven spot. I don't
Speaker 4: know anything right now. Green Bay like is kind of
Speaker 4: an unpredictable Well.
Speaker 2: Listen, there's room for the Packers and the Vikings eblines
Speaker 2: in the in the playoffs, and and the Vikings will
Speaker 2: get their game on on Monday night to continue to
Speaker 2: build for them. But yeah, I think I don't think
Speaker 2: if the if Detroit had a more difficult schedule, if
Speaker 2: they had Seattle schedule for exams, for instance, and we're
Speaker 2: going to get to the Seahawks a little bit later,
Speaker 2: I'd be very worried about a tailspin for this team,
Speaker 2: because you've seen the golf and the offense really kind
Speaker 2: of stumble, and this could be a slumper, it could
Speaker 2: be the sign of an ugly come back to earth.
Speaker 1: It's probably closer to a slump.
Speaker 2: But the schedule is so soft that I think Detroit
Speaker 2: is gonna be okay and get to that. You know,
Speaker 2: eleven wins they you know, probably eleven, they feel to
Speaker 2: me like eleven and six. That's gonna be enough, probably
Speaker 2: to win the division. The Packers are now a team
Speaker 2: of fascination for me because of love mostly, I mean,
Speaker 2: and you're right about Lafleur, because you know, he was
Speaker 2: taken on a lot of criticism early in the season,
Speaker 2: and I think there was some like, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of sideway glances like he was being exposed now without
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. But instead you look at this team now
Speaker 2: as they have as we head toward the final stretch
Speaker 2: after Thanksgiving, and he's got Jordan Love playing at a
Speaker 2: high level. For the last few weeks, he was an
Speaker 2: excellent quarterback and that's a huge benefit or a credit
Speaker 2: to an offensive minded coach like Lafleur. So he has
Speaker 2: the offense cooking. The big plays continue to be a
Speaker 2: part of things. Christian Watson is coming out of his shell.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a big close to the
Speaker 2: season now. And yeah, I like the Packers as a
Speaker 2: team that can make the playoffs, and.
Speaker 1: I would not have predicted that a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Did we fork them?
Speaker 4: I don't think we did.
Speaker 3: Know, Okay, good, I have no recollection whatsoever of our
Speaker 3: four community. They do have the Chiefs, you know, next week,
Speaker 3: but after that all the games are winnable, and so
Speaker 3: I'm with you. But even if they don't make the playoff,
Speaker 3: whatever happens this season is somewhat about Jordan Love the
Speaker 3: GM goota cunts. I think he said that. I don't
Speaker 3: remember if that was that the bye week ORF, it
Speaker 3: was after the bye week of Like, you know, this
Speaker 3: is an important stretch here for Jordan Love. And I
Speaker 3: think back to that Rams game, and I do think
Speaker 3: that's when it all changed. I know that the box
Speaker 3: score wasn't crazy in that game they won twenty to three,
Speaker 3: but his decision making was really good. And then he
Speaker 3: played well again the next week against the Steelers, and
Speaker 3: I remember saying at the time of the show, I
Speaker 3: thought those are his best two games of the season
Speaker 3: in a row. I know he had some nice touchdown
Speaker 3: interception ratio early in the season, felt a little fluky,
Speaker 3: felt a little fake to me, to be honest, Like
Speaker 3: he had some nice throws, but it wasn't him doing
Speaker 3: it in these last four weeks, and you saw it
Speaker 3: yesterday was some next level quarterback stuff. He's a very
Speaker 3: weird quarterback, but he passes the test where if he's protected,
Speaker 3: he could obviously make some big plays. They cooked up
Speaker 3: the Lions in play action. They attack their weaknesses deep
Speaker 3: down the field, and they're not good deep down the field.
Speaker 3: But the thing I like about him is you see
Speaker 3: that side arm angle to Heath early in the game.
Speaker 3: You saw the accuracy on the touchdown to read. But
Speaker 3: if you kind of go through his snaps on a
Speaker 3: snap to snap basis, he seems like a quarterback. Like
Speaker 3: he seems like he's making decisions, he's recognizing blitz as
Speaker 3: he's getting a second and third reads. I think he
Speaker 3: makes some crazy throws and he's not the most accurate
Speaker 3: quarterback in the world. So there's a little ups and downs,
Speaker 3: But like the processing, the men mentality of it all
Speaker 3: is like, Okay, this is a quarterback, and if if
Speaker 3: he keeps building off this, if he plays like this
Speaker 3: at all for the rest of the season, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we've got year two of Jordan Love in this very
Speaker 3: affordable contract, and we at least know we're going into
Speaker 3: year two with him still as our quarterback.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd also, you know, we on Thursday we noted
Speaker 4: like the laundry list of injuries that the Packers had
Speaker 4: coming into this game, and so a lot of that
Speaker 4: play action happened without Aaron Jones in the lineup. And
Speaker 4: like earlier on in the year, when Aaron Jones was
Speaker 4: lost for a long stretch of time, like it really
Speaker 4: handicapped and capsized the offense, and like yesterday that just
Speaker 4: was not the case, like aj Dillon did just enough
Speaker 4: for him. But the aggressive nature of what Lafleur has
Speaker 4: loved doing, I think is very exciting for Packers fans
Speaker 4: because I don't know about a month ago, I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know about this Jordan love thing. It's like,
Speaker 4: we'll see, like he seems very middle of the road,
Speaker 4: and there has been like tangible, visible growth and their
Speaker 4: young wide receivers are growing along with him. The same
Speaker 4: way I felt about like the Steelers coming into the
Speaker 4: year with all these like young weapons and I don't
Speaker 4: think they're weapons at all. Happened across the board in
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh is how I feel about Green Bay now. So
Speaker 4: it's like I thought yesterday was one of these games
Speaker 4: like changed the way a lot of people feel about
Speaker 4: two different teams.
Speaker 2: On the other side, at the quarterback position, we've touched
Speaker 2: on it briefly here, but I thought Gough was terrible
Speaker 2: and he's coming off a multiple turnover game the week before,
Speaker 2: but this time the ball security was woeful at riding
Speaker 2: me of the late period with the rams. He was
Speaker 2: missing throws as well. There were miscommunications with his wide receivers.
Speaker 2: They couldn't get on the same page. He was an
Speaker 2: issue for them in this game. And if GoF is
Speaker 2: not going to be his pristine self he's been for
Speaker 2: the majority of his career with Detroit, then the defense
Speaker 2: is going to be what it is right now. That
Speaker 2: is the recipe for a lot of losses. Here's Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell on his team's sudden swoon again.
Speaker 5: And the easy thing is to get in panic mode.
Speaker 5: And I know you know what it looks like, and
Speaker 5: it wasn't good enough out there, But I'm not paniced.
Speaker 5: We got the right guys here. We know how to play.
Speaker 5: We got to clean some things up and we'll have
Speaker 5: six to go when we get back, and the fight's on, man.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there's gonna be some cruise control.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have to fight and scratch and fight and
Speaker 5: call for everything. Man.
Speaker 1: We have to.
Speaker 5: That's the type of team we are. That's where we're at.
Speaker 1: All right, any other thoughts on this game?
Speaker 4: Boys, I thought I thought we saw a little bit
Speaker 4: from Jamison Williams, But I want to just note that
Speaker 4: one of our listeners chimed in with something I'd mentioned
Speaker 4: on the Thursday show about I thought, you know, various
Speaker 4: matronly aunts around the country would take a look at
Speaker 4: Sam laporter who had a nice start to the game.
Speaker 4: Then the thing went sideways. But I don't know if
Speaker 4: we have this.
Speaker 3: Tweet, Eric, let's hear it out loud.
Speaker 4: Okay, So another prophecy fulfilled. My aunt, well not matronly,
Speaker 4: definitely took notice of Sam Laporta during the Lions game.
Speaker 4: She's also not a football fan. They showed him and
Speaker 4: golf in quick succession. So I verified and she even
Speaker 4: parroted back Laporta's name.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 1: It is a weird tweet.
Speaker 4: It is a weird tweet, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Quiet storm.
Speaker 1: I think everything about it is.
Speaker 3: Ques whether this is this is like real or it's
Speaker 3: a Mark shadow.
Speaker 1: Or a Mark burner. Mark, did you write that?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't even use uh like X myself much.
Speaker 1: Less have about the truth.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: I just saw it this morning and it caught my
Speaker 4: eye that, like you know, I I think it's just
Speaker 4: matching it up on like the aunt archetype individual with
Speaker 4: Sam Laparda. Laporta's like physical being.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a he's a young, beefy young guy,
Speaker 3: a young gronk.
Speaker 2: Was your prediction that he was hot and would notice
Speaker 2: I thought that he would have a massive game.
Speaker 4: No, it was more that, like, you know, the aunt
Speaker 4: who's not football like enthused, would be in the room
Speaker 4: and just notice him the physical specimen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned the O line, like there's a weird
Speaker 3: sort of almost analytics off about how good this old
Speaker 3: line actually is, because like everyone thinks it's one of
Speaker 3: the best lines in the league. It's certainly like, for instance,
Speaker 3: grades as one of the elite lines in the league.
Speaker 3: Pass rush win rate, run black win rate not so great. Certainly,
Speaker 3: the eyeball test the last couple of weeks not so great.
Speaker 3: And Jared Goff, more than any quarterback in the NFL,
Speaker 3: is impacted by pressure and and just turns into a
Speaker 3: totally different dude. So it's like, I don't know, They've
Speaker 3: had a couple injuries and y Tie is not coming back.
Speaker 3: I don't believe. And it's interesting because I think the
Speaker 3: whole idea with Campbell was we're gonna be great on
Speaker 3: the lines, and they're d line with Hutchinson and McNeil.
Speaker 3: Even though those two players are both good, they're bad
Speaker 3: and so now like they just don't get enough pressure
Speaker 3: and their cornerbacks they're bad. That's a bad combo, not
Speaker 3: enough pressure and bad cornerback. So on one side, you
Speaker 3: got some issues. On the other side, if the O
Speaker 3: line starts creaking, then you're right, Dan, But I'm not
Speaker 3: panicking in both of these games. It's like, even in
Speaker 3: a bad game, they still get like four hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty four yards. They're gonna move the ball like I
Speaker 3: know it was.
Speaker 1: There was a garbage lipstick on the pig there late too.
Speaker 3: Greg, absolutely, but they were moving the ball when they're
Speaker 3: not turning it over seven times in the last two
Speaker 3: weeks or whatever. All I'm saying is like they're going
Speaker 3: to be getting first downs. They are a nasty running team.
Speaker 3: I'm not too worried about them there, but the defense
Speaker 3: is like legit bad. And if they're the home team
Speaker 3: and they're it's all about it. We're a ways away
Speaker 3: from the playoffs, but they are the team the five
Speaker 3: or the six seed might want to be playing here
Speaker 3: in the playoffs because you could put up a forty burger.
Speaker 2: If I'm a Detroit fan. I'm I'm not letting it
Speaker 2: be known. I'm a little bit nervous right now.
Speaker 4: That's what ID degree, A little bit.
Speaker 1: Analytics off. Greg. You said that sounds like the worst
Speaker 1: time ever.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I did last night watched the
Speaker 2: Barry sanderstock on Amazon and reminded you of his greatness
Speaker 2: and also the you know, the struggles of being a
Speaker 2: Lions fan, especially from the perspective of Eminem, Jeff Bridges
Speaker 2: and Tim Toole time Allen. Why does that document he
Speaker 2: was always have to be back. We need to get
Speaker 2: these celebrity sports fans. And it's like like Tim Allen
Speaker 2: was in this documentary for like maybe two lines.
Speaker 3: I watched the first hour maybe so far. I was
Speaker 3: waiting for Walker to get back. On whatever night that was,
Speaker 3: he went to the Lakers game with the front and
Speaker 3: I did not see Tim Allen. I haven't gotten quite
Speaker 3: to the end, but I thought when Jeff Bridges said
Speaker 3: he identified with Barry.
Speaker 1: That was incredible.
Speaker 3: I loved it that Barry was just a man the life,
Speaker 3: the juice. It's all from when the whistle blows to
Speaker 3: when the whistle stops and anything other than that. He
Speaker 3: doesn't need, Just like Jeff Bridges, there's a certain type
Speaker 3: of actor when they call cut to when they call cut,
Speaker 3: that's that's when it that's when it matters, and other than.
Speaker 1: That, it's nothing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, parallel, it was kind of crazy to watch
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders now and those those clips don't age at
Speaker 3: all and you're like, oh, yeah, that would still be
Speaker 3: by far the best run back in the league.
Speaker 2: It's Sanders story, which I think I've shared on the show,
Speaker 2: and I was hoping he was going to make it
Speaker 2: into the dock, but nobody contacted me. Is when our
Speaker 2: old boss, Justin Hathaway Mark worked us eighty hours for
Speaker 2: that first Super Bowl in Indianapolis Giants Pats two, and
Speaker 2: he had me cover the flag football a celebrity flag
Speaker 2: football game, and Barry Sanders is on the game. It
Speaker 2: was on one of the teams and was not involved
Speaker 2: with the offense. They were running the offense through Maria
Speaker 2: Minunos and Barry Sanders is there. Nobody's even talking to him,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's like maybe the greatest running back
Speaker 2: who ever lived.
Speaker 4: That's an odd that's not approach to offense. It feels
Speaker 4: like a chip Kelly invention.
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff.
Speaker 2: And the Packers, by the way, thank you Eric Roberts.
Speaker 2: Seventeen players were on the injured list in that game
Speaker 2: as well. They had no business going there and bullying
Speaker 2: the lines in that spot.
Speaker 1: So interesting.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move to the middle game. And by
Speaker 2: the way, we did fork the Panthers, Pats, Broncos, Bears, Cardinals,
Speaker 2: and then I belatedly and my apologies, uh I forked
Speaker 2: the Giants.
Speaker 1: So those are the four teams. Maybe we'll revisit it
Speaker 1: in the upcoming week.
Speaker 3: Broncos, you know, making a sweat a.
Speaker 1: Little bit, a little bit, a little bit time.
Speaker 2: All right, let's head to Big d where the Cowboys
Speaker 2: were not in the mood for any type of competitive contest.
Speaker 2: Second and ten as a Dallas forty three howls back
Speaker 2: throws it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, god, it's playing. It's plain.
Speaker 2: He's got one, no way twenty he touch left, he
Speaker 2: breaks the tackle of the cat.
Speaker 1: Stop is he's did it?
Speaker 2: But god, the whole defense is going on the land
Speaker 2: of the kettle.
Speaker 1: That is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: That's the most pick sixers in one season.
Speaker 4: In NFL history. Five touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Where did you come from?
Speaker 2: Great call and what you if you watch on YouTube
Speaker 2: you could see it, or if you watched live yesterday,
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn up in the booth, the DC, the Cowboys
Speaker 2: going absolutely apes celebrating Deron Bland setting the NFL record for.
Speaker 1: Pick sixes in the season, I mean his fifth, the
Speaker 1: fifth of the season.
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts has four career touchdowns in his whole like
Speaker 2: NFL career.
Speaker 1: Doron Bland is a quarterback. He's got five pick sixes
Speaker 1: this year. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And that was just the little like stamp at the
Speaker 2: end of the game because the Cowboys offense absolutely obliterated
Speaker 2: the Commanders, got their DC fired. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about it. Forty five to ten from Jarro World. This
Speaker 2: was mark a total celebration of the Cowboys, the brand,
Speaker 2: and their standing as one of the very.
Speaker 1: Elite teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4: It was and you know, I've been critical of the
Speaker 4: Cowboy experience over the years, but not in this version
Speaker 4: of what we saw, because they have been doing this
Speaker 4: at home all year long. They are five and zero
Speaker 4: at home and have outscored opponents two hundred and five
Speaker 4: points to sixty in those five wins. That's insane. But
Speaker 4: it is not nearly as insane as what Deron Bland
Speaker 4: has done. It's like, Ceedee Lamb has six touchdowns and
Speaker 4: he's a superstar. To like, the degree of difficulty of
Speaker 4: what Deron Bland has done is wild to me. That
Speaker 4: was not These aren't like, you know, picked off at
Speaker 4: the goal line like what we saw in the Seahawks
Speaker 4: Niners game. It's like, that's a sixty three yard return
Speaker 4: and it's done it over and over, and it's like,
Speaker 4: I don't there are certain football records that we can
Speaker 4: argue matter or don't matter. This matters because he's helping
Speaker 4: the team when he's pouring on points at the end
Speaker 4: of the game. It's the kind of thing for me
Speaker 4: that it's like, I don't know if we'll ever see
Speaker 4: this again. This could be the kind of thing where
Speaker 4: you could go fifty years or for us, we're not
Speaker 4: going to be here for maybe fifty more years. You
Speaker 4: never know, like it could be a long time before
Speaker 4: anyone touches this because it's such a confluence of insane
Speaker 4: things happening. It's not just being in the right place
Speaker 4: at the right time, but you also have to be
Speaker 4: the athlete to do what he's done. Like on that return,
Speaker 4: how easy would it have been a thirteen year old return?
Speaker 4: You get clipped, you're down the ground. It's just kind
Speaker 4: of magical. And I know that like it completely electrified
Speaker 4: that stadium, their owner, the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Well, are you saying I'm not gonna live to ninety four?
Speaker 4: That's my I did not guarantee that, Greg.
Speaker 1: I'm so much.
Speaker 4: Older than you, Greg that you know, according to the
Speaker 4: two of you, that I was more suggesting perhaps I
Speaker 4: won't see that record.
Speaker 2: Bro, You'll be if you make it, you'll be triple digits.
Speaker 2: And that's that is pretty wild.
Speaker 4: That would be wild. That's a long time from now.
Speaker 3: This Cowboys team does feel different now. Could they lose
Speaker 3: in the second round of the playoffs, of course they
Speaker 3: could because like I don't I don't think they're a
Speaker 3: step apart from these other teams, but they do. They
Speaker 3: do have everything they need right now, and the most
Speaker 3: important thing is just Dac dots down the field. He's
Speaker 3: he's so comfortable and Romo. I know he gets over excited,
Speaker 3: but I don't think he says things like this might
Speaker 3: be the best offensive line in the league right now,
Speaker 3: especially in terms of pass protection willy nilly, and they
Speaker 3: are just playing out standing up front. Now everyone looks
Speaker 3: out standing up front against this Commander's pass rus it
Speaker 3: doesn't exist. But he's throwing the ball deep down the field.
Speaker 3: That's eighteen vertical throws for a touchdown this year, according
Speaker 3: to next Gen Stats, way more than any other player,
Speaker 3: and fourteen of those are in like the last six weeks.
Speaker 3: So this is a bombs away offense. And I thought
Speaker 3: these last couple of weeks it's almost like they're working
Speaker 3: on things that they'll need in bigger games. They got
Speaker 3: Gallup and Cooks involved last week, and then this week.
Speaker 3: I thought Pollard ran really well. I know it was
Speaker 3: only thirteen carries, but from quarter one quarter two when
Speaker 3: it mattered, they were consistently running the ball and that
Speaker 3: was excellent. It was actually not a game they were
Speaker 3: dominating in total yardage through three quarters or anything, but
Speaker 3: they were getting everything they wanted to done. I think
Speaker 3: fifteen of their first twenty six plays or first downs.
Speaker 2: This was in many ways the ultimate Cowboys game, at
Speaker 2: least in terms of the regular season. The game on
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving with the Salvation Army Red kettle out for the
Speaker 2: first time you have a blowout of a hated rival.
Speaker 1: You have Doron Bland making history.
Speaker 2: You have Dak once again saying I am a very
Speaker 2: real MVP candidate. You had a certain celebrity that I'll
Speaker 2: get to in a moment. At halftime, Jared Jones was
Speaker 2: over the moon with this one.
Speaker 1: This is so real day.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even day or as much as I imagine
Speaker 4: or as big as I might dream or think.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have.
Speaker 6: Drawn for daylight today. Yet I couldn't have imagined it.
Speaker 1: It really covered a lot of ground. And don't you
Speaker 1: get the feeling that.
Speaker 2: The just the atmosphere And maybe Jane Slater would be
Speaker 2: the best person to asked this question too. But when
Speaker 2: things are going well for the Cowboys, it just seems
Speaker 2: everyone when you see those like group interviews and stuff
Speaker 2: around Jered like everything is good. Everybody's in a good mood.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys are kicking butt and and spirits are high.
Speaker 2: And if Jerry's spirits are high, you can tell that
Speaker 2: whole vibe around that team is glowing.
Speaker 1: And that's certainly where it is right now.
Speaker 4: I'm totally with you. I think he's really well liked.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget actually being in Dallas a number of
Speaker 4: like Thanksgivings ago, it's like two thousand. Drew bledsoe era
Speaker 4: and went with my uncle and cousins too of the
Speaker 4: Cowboys game, and I watched Jerry Jones before kickoff individually
Speaker 4: shake hands with I would say roughly four hundred people
Speaker 4: like he took that time. So it's like it is
Speaker 4: his baby, it's his thing. We've always known that, and
Speaker 4: I've always felt like there's always like an era of
Speaker 4: like hyperbole to anything he says about the team. But
Speaker 4: in this case, this season and yesterday, I did not
Speaker 4: feel that. I think it was like a this is
Speaker 4: a different Cowboys team to me than one that we've
Speaker 4: experienced together.
Speaker 3: On this show, he was quoted as part of that
Speaker 3: scrum is saying I'll put some super Bowls in there.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever had a better day
Speaker 3: with the Cowboys than today, and that that's all about Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: Like I believe that he believes that in the moment
Speaker 3: he's saying that, in the moment, Thanksgiving is the ultimate
Speaker 3: Cowboys holiday celebration. Wes and I love this book Billy
Speaker 3: Fountains Long Halftime Walk, which is a great book sort
Speaker 3: of about the NFL and military service and and football
Speaker 3: and how and it's set on Thanksgiving at these games
Speaker 3: and there's something so American for for good and bad
Speaker 3: like about all this. And the Cowboys putting a bang
Speaker 3: thing on the Commanders is like.
Speaker 2: That, I'm sorry, what's bad about it? Out of the
Speaker 2: out of curiosity?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, read the book, I would say, like some of
Speaker 3: the ways.
Speaker 1: I was talking about just yesterday, Okay, the book nothing.
Speaker 3: Bad, yes, just the over the top sort of the
Speaker 3: way they used that it was written for the perspective
Speaker 3: I was a military guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because and Greg is very well known for putting
Speaker 2: myself in line on this, the celebration of people being
Speaker 2: fired from their jobs because the Cowboys decimated the Washington
Speaker 2: defense to the point that the new owner of the team,
Speaker 2: Josh Harris, fired defensive coordinator Jack del Rio after the game.
Speaker 2: They also parted ways with defensive backs coach Brent Wisselmeyer.
Speaker 2: So tough Friday. Here is a missive from the new
Speaker 2: owner of the Commanders. We haven't heard from him obviously
Speaker 2: a lot. He just succeeded Daniel Snyder a couple months ago.
Speaker 1: I feel exactly how our fans.
Speaker 2: Feel today disappointed and frustrated. It's how our players and
Speaker 2: staff feel as well. I knew our first season of
Speaker 2: ownership would include challenges along the way, and we will
Speaker 2: not shy away from hard work, nor.
Speaker 1: Will we be deterred by adversity.
Speaker 2: As coach Rever and I discussed, all of our energy
Speaker 2: for the remainder of the season will be focused on
Speaker 2: playing better, more consistent football and developing our players well,
Speaker 2: intently evaluating the areas in which we need to improve
Speaker 2: this offseason. Our fans deserve a team that can compete
Speaker 2: with the NFL's best and win sustainably over the long term.
Speaker 1: I will not waiver from that mission.
Speaker 2: Okay, so strong words there from the new owner, and
Speaker 2: it did make me think when I heard this morning
Speaker 2: guys that you know, we talked about a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, that the setting an environment in the league
Speaker 2: right now is very, very ripe for mass dismissiles at
Speaker 2: the end of the year, head coaches in danger. And
Speaker 2: what do head coaches and dangers do when there's an issue.
Speaker 2: You start firing your assistance and you start reshuffling the decks.
Speaker 2: So I feel like we're seeing a lot of that
Speaker 2: the last a week or so, and now Washington's doing
Speaker 2: it as well. But I just think it's a little unfair,
Speaker 2: you know, to candel Rio and the defensive backs coach,
Speaker 2: when you just traded away like your two most impact
Speaker 2: players on the defensive line, two of your most impactful players,
Speaker 2: and what did you expect in this setting? Honestly, I
Speaker 2: guess you could be more competitive.
Speaker 3: But still I think it's it's warranted only because this
Speaker 3: defense has been in It's Ron Rivera's defense. So it's
Speaker 3: a weird move because like Ron Rivera's on was certainly
Speaker 3: going to get fired at the end of the Year's
Speaker 3: almost a move that signals to me, look, we we
Speaker 3: want Ron Rivera to land this thing, but we want
Speaker 3: to show our fans we want to do something now,
Speaker 3: and we're not going to fire Rivera till the end
Speaker 3: of the season or maybe Week eight team whatever it is. Uh,
Speaker 3: but this this is a really poorly coach defense. I
Speaker 3: thought del Rio was an uninspired hired to begin with.
Speaker 3: He lasted a while, and no team has more like
Speaker 3: coverage bus over the last four years than del Rio.
Speaker 3: They're either really awesome like or they're terrible, and there's
Speaker 3: nothing in between there was a scout for the that works.
Speaker 3: I think for Cowboys dot Com Brian Brotus, who pointed
Speaker 3: out on the Cooks touchdown, they've run that route a
Speaker 3: lot all season. But the only team that like fell
Speaker 3: for it like a banana and the tailpipe and played
Speaker 3: it so poorly all year was Washington and they had
Speaker 3: to walk in touchdown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were thirty second in DVOA. It's weird because
Speaker 4: under del Rio there were seventh last year, twenty seventh
Speaker 4: the year before that, and fourth, so they've been all
Speaker 4: over the map. I'm with you, Dan in the sense
Speaker 4: that I just think it was more of a statement
Speaker 4: move or a try. I look like what you just read.
Speaker 4: It's like a signal to the fans, like we're not
Speaker 4: just sitting pat, we see what you see. We're as
Speaker 4: frustrated as you are. I just part of me wonders
Speaker 4: that maybe Ron Rivera is allowed to land the plane,
Speaker 4: as you said, Greg, but I do wonder if maybe
Speaker 4: this would be an opportunity, if you want to go
Speaker 4: interim to see what Eric the enemy could do for
Speaker 4: a stretch of time here.
Speaker 3: I think this, I think this really signaled we're not
Speaker 3: going to do that I mean, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like today would have been the day to do it.
Speaker 4: I would I I guess the problem there then he's
Speaker 4: he'll get swept out too potentially. It's like it's another
Speaker 4: time he's done a good.
Speaker 1: Just over yep, right by the let's give it up Arthy,
Speaker 1: come on, now he's got this team humming.
Speaker 2: He does remember when Kellen Moore left in the offseason,
Speaker 2: everybody their little jabs like, oh, he's gonna run the offense,
Speaker 2: how imaginative Texas Coast offense is?
Speaker 1: Humming?
Speaker 3: Okay, you're right, and I like, by the way, they've
Speaker 3: set up a really nice stretch run. Now they'll be
Speaker 3: heavy favorites over the Seahawks, but that's still an interesting game.
Speaker 3: And then Eagles Bill's Dolphins Lions really fun stretch run.
Speaker 3: We got a lot of Actually I looked at all
Speaker 3: these contenders schedules, there's a lot of good regular season
Speaker 3: games left. The schedule makers did nice.
Speaker 1: Nicely done, Greg.
Speaker 2: And finally, I thought the best part of this middle game,
Speaker 2: because it wasn't overly competitive as you could see, was
Speaker 2: Tony Romo just yeah, basically losing control of his emotions
Speaker 2: when talking about Dolly Parton's halftime performance while wearing a
Speaker 2: Cowboys a cheerleader uniform.
Speaker 1: She's like eighty years old.
Speaker 2: It's very impressive, Dolly, and she's a national treasurer and
Speaker 2: we love her, but nobody loves her more like Tony Romo.
Speaker 2: Please watch this or listen, and you could hear Jim
Speaker 2: Nance getting and getting increasingly concerned as Tony can't move
Speaker 2: off the idea of Dolly Parton in a Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 2: cheerleaders universe. The field is all set after the Dolly performance,
Speaker 2: we are the champions, and she.
Speaker 3: Was wearing the Cowboys cheerleading outfit. I saw that coming.
Speaker 5: Did I think she's gonna go with a little cheerleading
Speaker 5: outfit tonight?
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, it's pretty good. What do
Speaker 1: you think we're gonna see me? She looks amazing. You
Speaker 1: never know what's gonna happen here. Who doesn't like Dolly
Speaker 1: part Now? She's absolutely an American treasure, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: And you are too fast becoming as you look at
Speaker 2: the quarterback comparison.
Speaker 3: I've got like another take on Dolly that might even
Speaker 3: top this from our old friend on the show, Mary
Speaker 3: Kay Cabot. She's actually over in Deck mentioned here was
Speaker 3: a tweet from Mary kay Cabot. Yesterday, I'm Dolly sitting
Speaker 3: on the couch watching some football, like a big stuff Turkey,
Speaker 3: and then Dolly happened, hopped on the treadmill, booked a
Speaker 3: consultation for implants and reassessed my life's goal LF let's
Speaker 3: let's f and go Mary kay Cabot feeling no pain
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving out.
Speaker 1: There, no feeling good, feeling real good.
Speaker 4: That is unlike any other Mary kay Cabot tweet. Ever,
Speaker 4: it's amazing.
Speaker 2: The kind of the glow in Romo's face is really
Speaker 2: what takes it to the next lot.
Speaker 1: Like he's not ready to get back to being an
Speaker 1: analyst at that point.
Speaker 4: Nance feeling Nance tried so hard to get out of that.
Speaker 2: NaN's desertly trying to pivot. But you know, like everybody's
Speaker 2: got to stop clutching their pearls. And you know what,
Speaker 2: Tony's right, that was incredible. And Dolly Parton, you know,
Speaker 2: if you want to do some And I didn't really
Speaker 2: know Dolly that well other then how everyone else knows her,
Speaker 2: but she is My wife loves Dolly Parton and she
Speaker 2: is an incredible kind of humanitarian and the amount of
Speaker 2: charity she does in addition to being obviously very talented
Speaker 2: actress and singer and all that.
Speaker 1: See now I'm romoing out to her.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's appropriate. You've done You've done a
Speaker 4: nice job, and we didn't try to sidetrack you off
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, let's take a break.
Speaker 2: Just, you know, talk a little more dolly off mic
Speaker 2: and then when we come back, we'll hit.
Speaker 1: The primetime game. All right, we are back Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: in the v neck.
Speaker 4: There is one other Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Note.
Speaker 4: I don't know about you guys, but this, like this
Speaker 4: is more of like a parabolic mic item. I think,
Speaker 4: depending on you know, game to game. It's an island
Speaker 4: game in the middle of the day. Dak Prescott's pre
Speaker 4: snap cadence. Can we just play this, producer Eric, please.
Speaker 3: Producer Ic?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Did you yet?
Speaker 4: It's like three hundred and forty seven times this played
Speaker 4: during the game yesterday, and it just seemed to get
Speaker 4: louder and louder, and it's like, I don't know, is
Speaker 4: it to tell as a as a pre snap cadence.
Speaker 4: I love how he says it, It just it doesn't
Speaker 4: sound like a human almost.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's his uh Grenatine Grenadin, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's his thing, and he's been he's been going hard
Speaker 3: at it now for a month plus. I would say, yeah,
Speaker 3: here we go to the I'm just saying that sometimes
Speaker 3: just in my everyday life, just yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a nice way to just set
Speaker 3: off a conversation.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 2: A Creed rips into my sacrifice in the encore, and
Speaker 2: then half the audience does this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like some of these quarterbacks like they know
Speaker 4: what we're going to talk about it, and like do
Speaker 4: they lean in from an inflection or vocal point on
Speaker 4: some level to make it a little even more absurd
Speaker 4: than it needs to be. I think we all know
Speaker 4: what he's trying to say.
Speaker 3: Well, I got to tell you this, Mark. I haven't
Speaker 3: released my top five Cadence rankings for the season. It's
Speaker 3: an annual event people really look forward to. But between
Speaker 3: his voice, how strong his pipes are, and and the
Speaker 3: unique nature of yeah, here we go, I mean he's
Speaker 3: a strong favorite for number one this year.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, like with you with MVP talk, it's
Speaker 2: too early to talk about the Caenance rankings. Yet you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to now.
Speaker 3: It's it's by the way, it's not too early anymore.
Speaker 3: My point now is that like whatever's happened to this
Speaker 3: point almost doesn't matter. It's still going to be moving forward.
Speaker 3: Dak started it yesterday. That was a nice, nice one
Speaker 3: because everyone's watching that game.
Speaker 2: That's it's like the most one as opposed to the
Speaker 2: other Cowboys games that nobody was watching.
Speaker 3: Right, nobody watched any of those. Speaking of which has good?
Speaker 3: What does a sham god did with that call?
Speaker 1: Sham good?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: And we're talking Nance and Romo. What a job by
Speaker 3: Jim Nance on the Deran Bland. Uh call there. I
Speaker 3: loved seeing Nance getting excited in a big spot. Let's
Speaker 3: hear it.
Speaker 1: Second and ten there it is, this is history.
Speaker 4: The plan could take.
Speaker 1: It to discharge.
Speaker 3: This will be the record by for the fifth time.
Speaker 2: Has a pig six It's never happened in the history
Speaker 2: of the NFL.
Speaker 3: And want a call by you?
Speaker 1: You got me with goosebumps Nance.
Speaker 2: That was unbelievable, excellent, you're right, accent call by Nance,
Speaker 2: who's a Hall of Fame broadcaster and uh and it's
Speaker 2: also a very Romo move to his first analysis is
Speaker 2: on the call by Jim Nance.
Speaker 3: I wish he didn't do that.
Speaker 1: No, he didn't need to do that, but he can't.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of like the give and take
Speaker 2: with Romo, like he just's his exuberance. He just he
Speaker 2: just says what's on his mind, like the Dolly Parton
Speaker 2: situation from minutes ago. All right, let's get to the
Speaker 2: final game. This one was also a one sided affair.
Speaker 2: Well first and goal, eight yard lines left, tossed to
Speaker 2: McCaffrey coming left, stacked up, Stay's patient, scorns through and takes.
Speaker 3: It all the way down to the goal line. Touchdown.
Speaker 3: See and see what a run that one?
Speaker 5: Cmct CB A slow fuse on that one.
Speaker 4: Because there was nowhere to go an McCaffrey taking care.
Speaker 1: Of pisit man?
Speaker 2: They love the acronyms over there, Greg popping Tim Ryan
Speaker 2: with the call. Awesome, awesome performance by Christian McCaffrey. Who
Speaker 2: if now Greg has Dane that we're allowed to talk
Speaker 2: about the MVP race man?
Speaker 1: Where is he in the conversation? Producer? Eric is a
Speaker 1: mark referred to you earlier? I called you human, Eric.
Speaker 2: Eric's can you see? Or Eric, can you see? But
Speaker 2: where Christian McCaffrey is in the Vegas MVP odds because
Speaker 2: he deserves to be there. He ran for a buck
Speaker 2: fourteen and two scores in the first half, putting the
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers ahead, and they cruised to a thirty
Speaker 2: one to thirteen win over the fading Seattle Seahawks, who
Speaker 2: are in a lot of trouble Gregy.
Speaker 1: The Niners did what.
Speaker 2: They wanted on offense, and even the Seahawks touchdown came
Speaker 2: on a pick six. So yeah, this was dominance on
Speaker 2: both sides.
Speaker 3: It couldn't be one more one side, and I think
Speaker 3: has a lot of soul searching going on in Seattle.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the team that matters the most here
Speaker 3: first and that that's the forty nine Ers. And watching
Speaker 3: this game, it occurred to me, like Kyle Shanahan's forty
Speaker 3: nine Ers system, essentially, this offense has now been there
Speaker 3: for seven years. It's been in an NFL where a
Speaker 3: lot of things change, Like he this has been an
Speaker 3: awesome offense that's brilliantly constructed and play called for a
Speaker 3: while now, it's been a great run and to me,
Speaker 3: this is this is the best one and it's the
Speaker 3: best one because of Party, first of all, and because
Speaker 3: he elevates their offense in a way that Jimmy g
Speaker 3: and certainly any of the other backups never did. And
Speaker 3: because they're healthy, which they often aren't right now, they
Speaker 3: are healthy, and that's when they weren't winning games a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. That that was a big part
Speaker 3: of it. But also because these guys have been there
Speaker 3: now for a while. Outside of Purty, Deebo and a
Speaker 3: Yuk and Kittle and Trent Williams and even a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of the line's been there for a
Speaker 3: while and it's all just coming together and they've they've
Speaker 3: been so close every year and I'm not saying they
Speaker 3: couldn't be close in another year, but man, you look
Speaker 3: at this Shanahan thing, it just feels like, Man, this
Speaker 3: is the time. Listen, this is the team. This is
Speaker 3: the team to do it.
Speaker 4: Yep, I absolutely feel the same way. It's it is
Speaker 4: so key that they stay healthy. When all five of
Speaker 4: their offensive stars have been on the field together for
Speaker 4: full games, they've been undefeated. That shouldn't change. They're so dominant.
Speaker 4: I think it really mattered last night to see that
Speaker 4: you got Deebo Samuel as the core element. Again, he's
Speaker 4: such a change agent. But it's like, we talk about
Speaker 4: the offense as we should, but their defense is an
Speaker 4: absolute destroyer. I mean what they did last night. At
Speaker 4: one point in the first half, the Niners had sixteen
Speaker 4: first downs and the Seahawks had run eighteen plays and
Speaker 4: it never really got better for Seattle. And I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, the same way that you know the first
Speaker 4: game changed the way we thought about Detroit and Green Bay.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at a Seattle you know schedule where you've
Speaker 4: got to go to Dallas, you got the Niners and
Speaker 4: then the Eagles. I don't know it feel it kind
Speaker 4: of feels like curtains to me, and is brilliant as
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll is at all times. I thought the look
Speaker 4: on his face at the end of that game spoke volumes.
Speaker 4: I think they're in a bit of a dark corner
Speaker 4: that will be hard to escape from.
Speaker 2: Here are the MVP odds, by the way, Jalen at
Speaker 2: plus two fifty what this from DraftKings Lamar plus three
Speaker 2: fifty mahomes plus four twenty five two of plus five
Speaker 2: fifty DAK plus eight fifty CMC plus sixteen hundred these
Speaker 2: is so annoying.
Speaker 1: Come on, right, I think, yes, sixteen touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Why is Jalen Hurts the favorite? DAK was plus three
Speaker 3: thousand a couple of weeks ago, So if you caught
Speaker 3: on at any time, I think that's still value. And
Speaker 3: where where is Tyreek Hill? Who's literally my vote right now?
Speaker 1: Greg? Nobody likes Tyreek Hill. I think that factors in.
Speaker 3: That's just positioned on against McCaffrey. Though, yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think that factor is he's plus four thousand. I don't
Speaker 3: think that factors into the draftking odds. But I hear you.
Speaker 1: Right now, he has some rough stuff in his personal history.
Speaker 2: Let's see, let's get back to it. So, yes, McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: I believe he's got sixteen touchdowns this year and he's dominant.
Speaker 2: Brock Purdy statistically not his best game. He threw that
Speaker 2: pick six. I mentioned that briefly made the game somewhat
Speaker 2: interesting in the third quarter, but also kind of put
Speaker 2: a stamp on the game and put the game away
Speaker 2: with a beautiful throat to Brandon Nyuk in zone coverage,
Speaker 2: and Shanahan after the game made a point to really
Speaker 2: pump up Purdy in that spot. He said, you know,
Speaker 2: that is a play where we have something underneath a
Speaker 2: little checkdown that could have went for twelve yards. So
Speaker 2: when he decides to put it over the middle on
Speaker 2: a line from about thirty yards out, that is a
Speaker 2: high level throw. And I think it gets to mark
Speaker 2: what we were talking about on Wednesday about you know,
Speaker 2: Purdy and the kind of season he's having and this
Speaker 2: like we act like he's this little boy that was
Speaker 2: plucked out of obscurity.
Speaker 1: That's a high level football throw.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he might not have the arm talent of
Speaker 2: those other quarterbacks we mentioned just now, but he's got
Speaker 2: enough to make it happen when he's pulling the trigger
Speaker 2: and using his instincts for good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that you brought up that throw because
Speaker 4: I think that's an argument in favor of the fact
Speaker 4: that this quarterback has elevated the play of Brandon Ayuk,
Speaker 4: who I mean, Brandon Ayuk was for multiple years in
Speaker 4: a row talked about this will be the year he
Speaker 4: totally breaks out and becomes a start. Has a lot
Speaker 4: to do with him, but it has a lot to
Speaker 4: do with Purdy as well, and like their connection has
Speaker 4: been essentially flawless for weeks on end, and that throw
Speaker 4: was not the kind of throw that like a mid
Speaker 4: tier quarterback that we'd want to write off as a
Speaker 4: system guy makes. And now I look at those MVP
Speaker 4: odds and it's like, where is Perdy? To be honest,
Speaker 4: it's like I find that to be slightly absurd that
Speaker 4: he's not near, like in the top five, top six
Speaker 4: of that list, if not higher. I think it's just
Speaker 4: we're looking at a perception problem when it comes to
Speaker 4: brock Party in this offense.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. If they get the one seed, and
Speaker 3: I'm not ruling them out of that, like he's got
Speaker 3: a chance. It's stupid the fact that Jalen's plus two fifty,
Speaker 3: because that's just like they have the one seed. And
Speaker 3: I just love the way they started this game. I
Speaker 3: think of NBA teams, you talk about two man games
Speaker 3: a lot, just like the two stars kind of playing
Speaker 3: off each other, you know, Porzingis and Jalen Brown right now,
Speaker 3: beautiful two man game. They got a two man game
Speaker 3: going with CD, I mean with Debo and CMC and
Speaker 3: where they're just using them interchangeably and matching them up,
Speaker 3: and they have the Seahawks defense had no freaking clue
Speaker 3: what to do the first couple drives of that game.
Speaker 3: Shanahan just owns this matchup. He owns Pete Carroll, who's
Speaker 3: a defensive coach. When when the forty nine ers have
Speaker 3: the ball and the way they use those two guys
Speaker 3: is it's pretty beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's funny, and that's obviously credit to Kyle Shanahan, the
Speaker 2: offensive mastermind.
Speaker 1: I like this thing that's going on this show.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's been an uptick in it this
Speaker 2: year of just like shots to Mike Shanahan, Kyle's father
Speaker 2: sitting stonefaced in the stands with that shock of white
Speaker 2: hair and a lot of like, younger fans don't even
Speaker 2: know that Mike Shanahan. Kyle Shannan is who who he
Speaker 2: is in large part because of Mike Shanahan, who was
Speaker 2: a genius in his own right and won multiple Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: And now Kyle has kind of taken the league over
Speaker 2: and it is that dude Seattle, You're right, had no answers.
Speaker 2: It looked like Reek Wollan got benched in this game,
Speaker 2: although Carol downplayed it afterwards, but he was he misstackles,
Speaker 2: he said it. Carol said after the game that he
Speaker 2: had a bad shoulder, but he was playing special teams
Speaker 2: after they took him out of the game for Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: So I mean, you talk about Reek Wollan was one
Speaker 2: of the best young additions to the league last year
Speaker 2: and now he's on the bench on.
Speaker 1: The offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Gino Smith is dealing with the arm injury, but
Speaker 2: this offense just is not humming anymore. Greg And if
Speaker 2: Gino is not physically right, and we'll have to see,
Speaker 2: he played that game with a big kind of like
Speaker 2: not on his throwing elbow, maybe.
Speaker 1: It is that time to have a jewe Lock conversation.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like nobody was like pumping
Speaker 2: the brakes on the Drew Block experience harder than me
Speaker 2: a couple of years back in Denver. It's not necessarily
Speaker 2: a great second option. But the offense has hit a rut.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: They're disappointed, Like everything about this team is disappointing. They're
Speaker 3: six and five, And what you said about the Packers
Speaker 3: and the Vikings can get in is in large part
Speaker 3: because the Seahawks can fall right out of this thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, think about these two games against the Ravens
Speaker 3: where absolutely this game in the Ravens game where absolutely
Speaker 3: Gino didn't excel. But and he's not gonna be able
Speaker 3: to elevate things going really wrong around him. But find
Speaker 3: a spot on this team that's not getting blasted. They
Speaker 3: spent their whole offseason building up this defensive line, completely
Speaker 3: changing it, spending tons of money, draft picks. They got
Speaker 3: young guys coming at Draymont Jones, they trade for Leonard Williams.
Speaker 3: They get blown off the ball, They can't tackle anyone.
Speaker 3: Seem see their defensive rookie of the Year, Tarik Willans
Speaker 3: getting benched. Their linebackers are slow. DK metcalf is having
Speaker 3: one of the worst seasons for US for a quote
Speaker 3: unquote superstar wide receiver. The guy can't make a catch.
Speaker 1: I was gonna, I'm telling you the club I think
Speaker 1: greg I had.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: So he's killing my guy, Gino. Gino's not great, but
Speaker 3: two drops that killed Drives. And then when it's fourteenth
Speaker 3: to three and you're trying to change the game, and
Speaker 3: that could have been a touchdown or at least a
Speaker 3: fifty yard play down the field, and DK just drifts
Speaker 3: and drifts and trust me, Seahawks fans have been losing
Speaker 3: their mind over DK's play in this game, and then
Speaker 3: their own lines stunk in this game. Most of those
Speaker 3: sacks were quick sacks. So it's like, I just don't
Speaker 3: see what they're they're good at. They maybe they're average
Speaker 3: enough to win nine games again, but man, it's it's
Speaker 3: pretty disappointing.
Speaker 4: It's very This is also one matchup that they've they've
Speaker 4: just they cannot solve. And I think, like last year
Speaker 4: on Thursday Night, like Sharvariusward versus DK Metcalf was physical
Speaker 4: and it went both ways. Like last night, he was
Speaker 4: just taken out of the game DK Metcalf and and
Speaker 4: then you got nowhere to go.
Speaker 2: I'll give the final word to Christian McCaffrey, who deserves
Speaker 2: to be way better than plus six thousand, because he has.
Speaker 3: Been sixteen hundred buddy by the way, sixteen sixteen accuracy sick,
Speaker 3: thank you, and Purty's plus three thousand, number eight, so
Speaker 3: he's sort.
Speaker 4: Of in the max but not really ridiculous.
Speaker 2: One of the things I like about the write ups
Speaker 2: by the AP and others on Thanksgiving is like just
Speaker 2: like a lot of turkey talk, Just like turkey talk
Speaker 2: slips in there, and I want to hear this quote
Speaker 2: from McCaffrey because I'm reading it and I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: this guy's really going into detail about this turkey. And
Speaker 2: it's like slotted in between two like beefy graphs about
Speaker 2: the you know, and of this like statistics about this win.
Speaker 2: And then you have all, right, here's I'm going to
Speaker 2: drop in the CMC quote here and the guy just
Speaker 2: going on and on about the turkey.
Speaker 3: That was awesome.
Speaker 6: It was actually really good turkey too. I have no
Speaker 6: idea how they kept all of the dishes were hot.
Speaker 6: I was bummed. I didn't get the sweet potato with
Speaker 6: the marshmallows that I didn't I don't know if they
Speaker 6: had the they had a fork, but then they you know,
Speaker 6: we had to pick the turkey leg up. By that time,
Speaker 6: I was eating the turkey. But the turkey was really good,
Speaker 6: well cooked, wasn't dry at all, and like I said,
Speaker 6: still hot, which was impressive for being, you know, twenty
Speaker 6: minutes after the game. I don't know where they kept it,
Speaker 6: but it was good turkey.
Speaker 2: Somebody gives them, say an update, how they kept the
Speaker 2: turkey warm?
Speaker 3: What did they use?
Speaker 1: Was it an oven kept on low?
Speaker 2: Was it just covered and kept maybe in a microwave
Speaker 2: with the microwave off?
Speaker 1: Like what what? How did they keep it?
Speaker 2: Was there one of those burners underneath, but they they
Speaker 2: were very careful not to have the burner turned up
Speaker 2: too high, you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Those things. I don't know.
Speaker 3: They got to have it. They got to have a
Speaker 3: kitchen somewhere in the bows of that stadium. But I
Speaker 3: was thinking, as we're listening to that, like, man, I've rarely
Speaker 3: heard CMC talk at length, and maybe that's why he
Speaker 3: just gets super nerdy about turkeys, and that's.
Speaker 1: Just he was just a matter there. That actually was
Speaker 1: a quote from July. I mean, the guy, that's all
Speaker 1: he talks about.
Speaker 3: I gotta say, I watched this game with you know,
Speaker 3: friends and their families and and a lot of kids
Speaker 3: were there, and no moment all day popped to them
Speaker 3: like George Kittle throwing that turkey leg up into the
Speaker 3: crowd and running turkeys afterwards. That was huge in the
Speaker 3: ten year old set they were talking about they wanted
Speaker 3: to throw some turkeys. It was just like that pop.
Speaker 3: So that was a nice, nice moment for Kittle to
Speaker 3: really break.
Speaker 2: By that by that moment in my house, and I
Speaker 2: still have a family here that stayed the night. The
Speaker 2: Princess Bride had been turned on by that way.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Had late.
Speaker 2: We had a late as you wish anything else. No,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna go play football with some kids now, really, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Damn, I.
Speaker 4: Hope people dominate them like that sounds a good spot
Speaker 4: for you to really shine athletically.
Speaker 2: Yesterday we played also and it was tough because I
Speaker 2: had to be We used to call it automatic QB,
Speaker 2: but I think my son corrected me and say now
Speaker 2: that they call it all QB or something. But anyway,
Speaker 2: we had an uneven number, so I played QB and
Speaker 2: it was tough when you automatic QB on both sides
Speaker 2: because it's like Barrys anders in that flag football game.
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to distribute to all these kids and
Speaker 2: there's so many mouths to feed, and nobody's happy.
Speaker 1: At the end of the game.
Speaker 2: You can't win QB because everyone thinks they should have
Speaker 2: been targeted more.
Speaker 1: And here I am.
Speaker 2: I've completed probably about sixty or seventy percent of my
Speaker 2: passes and half the kids can't even catch that's pretty
Speaker 2: high percentage. And after the game, I'm being told that
Speaker 2: I was leaving people out of the game plan. So
Speaker 2: we got another game about to play this Now we
Speaker 2: have even number because some people went home, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to be playing defense and I'm going to be
Speaker 2: very physical, and I'm going to send messages to those
Speaker 2: who complained about my quarterback play, specifically my eldest son,
Speaker 2: jack who thought that I cost him the game yesterday
Speaker 2: by not throwing it to him literally every time. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I want our friend Kareem What was it,
Speaker 2: Kareem Jackson. Yeah, I'm hitting like Jackson in this game.
Speaker 3: Okay, I wish I was there. I had not to
Speaker 3: sound like Sessler when he plays in tennis with his family.
Speaker 3: But we played a little football too yesterday, and I
Speaker 3: almost thought I was dominating in the game so much
Speaker 3: that I had to back off and not not be
Speaker 3: as show offye with what was going on, like you said,
Speaker 3: distribute it around. But the explosiveness was absolutely there, and
Speaker 3: I was. I was very proud of my son. Though
Speaker 3: to finish the game had a key Charvarius Ward like
Speaker 3: pass breakup on me, so in a big spot, I
Speaker 3: I ultimately didn't come through for the team, and he
Speaker 3: just he knocked that thing out of my hands, like
Speaker 3: Charvarius words.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've we've you know, we've played with Walker
Speaker 4: in the past and you've seen that those innate dB skills,
Speaker 4: So I'm not surprised to hear that update.
Speaker 2: I I don't really I like to keep my sons
Speaker 2: in games where I'm involved, but very rarely do they
Speaker 2: get the W And that's the way I was raised
Speaker 2: as well. My dad and one on one basketball took
Speaker 2: me into I was like a sophomore in high school.
Speaker 2: To finally beat him, he did this back down move
Speaker 2: in the post where he would back me down and
Speaker 2: then he'd use his left arm as a clear out
Speaker 2: and do a little jump hook and it was total bs.
Speaker 2: And I would tell him that. I actually told him
Speaker 2: that last week because we were reminiscing about it. And
Speaker 2: when I finally beat him, it was all the more
Speaker 2: rewarding and it was a changing of the guard athletically
Speaker 2: within the family dynamic.
Speaker 1: And that's why I've.
Speaker 3: Recovered due to me, you know, right, it talks about that.
Speaker 2: So when they beat me, they'll beat me, and that
Speaker 2: will be a moment or they'll never beat me.
Speaker 1: Perhaps as well. I'm like, now, I'm like Barry Sanders's
Speaker 1: monster of a dad.
Speaker 4: No, that's good, dad, work the tennis court. I keep
Speaker 4: the foot on the gas though, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1: I know you do, buddy.
Speaker 2: Never forget that Barry Sanders' dad on the day that
Speaker 2: ran for two thousand yards in nineteen ninety seven, when
Speaker 2: the first thing, excuse me, not at the two thousand
Speaker 2: yard when he went to the Hall of Fame, Barrass Sanders'
Speaker 2: dad for Santras' induction and gave the speech. The first
Speaker 2: thing he said was that Jim Brown was the greatest
Speaker 2: running back of all time. And then he said that
Speaker 2: his son was the third greatest running back of all time.
Speaker 2: And everybody was like, Who's what did he mean, who's
Speaker 2: the second? He called himself the second greatest running back
Speaker 2: of all time. Imagine now that's taking it to an extreme. Yes,
Speaker 2: his dad was a handyman.
Speaker 3: Right, and he literally did not play professional football.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: Be nice to your kids. One day, they'll have to
Speaker 2: take care of you, all right. Happy Thanksgiving weekend, everybody,
Speaker 2: enjoy it. We'll be back on Sunday with the full
Speaker 2: recap of both the Black Friday Jet Stoppins affair, Can't
Speaker 2: wait and everything on Sunday. Until then, you know what
Speaker 2: you gotta do.
Speaker 1: Heed the Car