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Speaker 3: Here we go at Tour two.

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Speaker 1: What a great time to be alive, USC big presence

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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, Sam Darnold, I tell you, feeling

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Speaker 1: really good. Don't want to be obnoxious man of the people.

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Speaker 2: J Mac.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get over my skis on here.

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Speaker 1: But life is good. So I'm gonna get to Nick

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Speaker 1: right in five minutes. But I thought it's the way

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Speaker 1: too early. Five up, five days, this idea okay, So

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Speaker 1: five teams and it's not just going to be record.

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Speaker 1: You are going to feel differently about these teams positively

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Speaker 1: next year and then five teams and some of the

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Speaker 1: teams that I have going down are teams that will

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Speaker 1: be good, but I don't think they'll be as special.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna play five up, five down. Let's start

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Speaker 1: glass half full. And so who I am at my

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Speaker 1: core first of all five up. The New York Giant

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Speaker 1: is the easiest pick on the board. I like their roster,

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Speaker 1: top ten OER line, top ten D line, I think

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Speaker 1: eleven according to PFF. They were one in seven in

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Speaker 1: one score games. Jackson Dart now gets an elite coach

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Speaker 1: and a culture center.

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Speaker 3: They have the.

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Speaker 1: Number five overall pick. They can trade down and accumulate

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Speaker 1: more picks. Their lines are good enough. They got to

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Speaker 1: get a right tackle, a tight end, probably another weapon

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Speaker 1: scat Jackson Dart. Four and thirteen Giants are my pick

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Speaker 1: to double their win total. They'll look different by mid September.

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Speaker 1: The Commanders same division. They get Jayden Daniels back. They

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Speaker 1: were five and twelve. I don't know if they're going

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Speaker 1: to win ten games, but they have a lot of

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Speaker 1: cap space. They're the oldest team in the NFL. The

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Speaker 1: Commanders are going to be a different looking team again.

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Speaker 1: Seven to one score games, they won only two. Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn is solid, if not exceptional cap space, lost a

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Speaker 1: lot of close games. They get their quarterback back. Just

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Speaker 1: don't forget how gifted he was as a rookie. The

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Speaker 1: third team is the Detroit Lions at nine to eight

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Speaker 1: They're going to get back into the twelve win territory.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised they didn't get more positive feedback the

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Speaker 1: higher of Arizona's offensive coordinator, Drew Petsing. Anybody else watch

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Speaker 1: Arizona this year and go, how the hell are they

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Speaker 1: scoring all these points? With Jacoby Brissett, he's clever. Maybe

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Speaker 1: not Ben Johnson, but their stars are locked up. Goff

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Speaker 1: is still in his prime, Amaran Saint Brown, Pinasoul Hutchison

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Speaker 1: gibbson a rookie deal. Were not a very good team

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Speaker 1: in close games. Dan Campbell had to take over the offense.

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Speaker 1: This is still an elite front office that drafts well

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Speaker 1: and acquires well. They're gonna get their mojo back. They

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Speaker 1: struggle at OC nine to eight to probably an eleven

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Speaker 1: or a twelve win team. The Chargers now they were

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Speaker 1: eleven and six and they may only go twelve and five.

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Speaker 3: They will feel different.

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel probably the best coordinator higher in the sport.

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Speaker 1: They get both offensive tackles back and both are way

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Speaker 1: above average. Third most cap space. They have drafted well

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Speaker 1: with Jim Harbaugh again, they have been a defense his

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Speaker 1: first team that survives offensively that we're not considering a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl team. Next year, there'll be an offensive led

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Speaker 1: team that won't be as good defensively, but you will

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Speaker 1: feel very early in the season, oh, this team could

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Speaker 1: have a totally different feel. And finally, an easy one.

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Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs two years ago, they won every

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Speaker 1: close game. Last year they lost every close game one

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Speaker 1: to nine. You know you're going to get in the

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Speaker 1: middle somewhere around there. Also, their offensive tackle position, when

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Speaker 1: Josh Simmons wasn't playing and he's really talented, was a mess.

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Speaker 1: Key's back, Mahomes is healthy, Travis Kelsey I argued for

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Speaker 1: him to return one more year. Listen, you just have

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Speaker 1: have more second and third round picks. They're going to

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Speaker 1: be fine, they're going to improve. Six and eleven. My

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Speaker 1: guess becomes eleven and six. Here's five down Houston, twelve

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Speaker 1: two years? Ten and two. That's not happening again. That's

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Speaker 1: not happening again. Tennessee is going to be much better.

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville is really good. They've also been five and nine

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Speaker 1: I think he throws the prettiest ball On some Sundays

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Speaker 1: They will be good as long as Demiko Ryans is

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Speaker 1: the coach, But I don't think they feel the same.

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Speaker 1: I don't think offensively they've got the right rhythm. Twelve

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Speaker 1: they're a super team. I would say the Patriots. Okay,

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Speaker 1: fourteen and three is not happening. AFC is going to

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Speaker 1: be much better. The Chiefs will be better, the Charges

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Speaker 1: will be better. Cincinnati, Baltimore, Jacksonville's only getting better, and

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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen's second year, they're not going fourteen and three.

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Speaker 1: My guests, they're closer than ten eleven wins. Also, it's

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Speaker 1: the Dan Marino thing. They got to solve their offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Dan Marino with Don Schull never got back to a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. It was a really bad year. I mean

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Speaker 1: they got Let's be honest, if Bonnicks plays, they probably

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Speaker 1: don't make the super Bowl. They were completely overwhelmed by Seattle.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily close. I love Rabel Drake May's good,

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Speaker 1: but you start looking at the AFC, there's just too

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Speaker 1: many good quarterbacks. There's too many good coaches, there's too

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Speaker 1: many good coordinators. They take a step back. Forty nine

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Speaker 1: not available till mid season. Robert Sala had an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: year as defensive coordinator. Bosa aging getting hurt more often.

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Speaker 1: What are they gonna do at receiver? Brandon Nuayuk's gone?

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Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings is a free agent.

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Speaker 3: What are they going to do?

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey comes off a four hundred and fifty touch

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Speaker 1: season and he is now thirty. So I again, they

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Speaker 1: did it with smoking mirrors last year.

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Speaker 3: They'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're a twelve and five team. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: seven nine and one. I think they unravel. They're a mess.

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Speaker 1: How Jerry Jones a business man, how can you be

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Speaker 1: this big of a mess. They're twenty nine million over

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Speaker 1: the cap. They're want to pay George Pickens. That's going

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Speaker 1: to cost you twenty nine million dollars. Worst defense in

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Speaker 1: on their edge rushers. How are they this big of

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Speaker 1: a mess? Stop trying to get discounts. Hire a real GM,

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Speaker 1: they're going down. And finally Philadelphia had eleven and six.

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Speaker 1: How many coordinator changes can you make? You just had

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Speaker 1: a top offensive line coach say, I'm out. You've got

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Speaker 1: I think they've been doing it a little bit, just

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Speaker 1: on Howie Roseman's roster. But I don't feel Sirianni's an

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Speaker 1: elite coach. I don't care about the record, and I

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Speaker 1: think the books in on Jalen Hurts not beloved in

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Speaker 1: the locker room.

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Speaker 3: I've got that sourced.

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Speaker 1: I also I think he struggles throwing the ball down

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Speaker 1: the field. I said it yesterday. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: give Sam Darnald any credit. Donald sits in that pocket,

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Speaker 1: doesn't turn it over in the last month, and throws

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Speaker 1: the ball right into.

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Speaker 3: The heart of the defense.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry on the market, I think GMS take Donald

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Speaker 1: over Jalen Hurts, So Giants, Commander's Lion, Chargers, Chiefs Up Down, Texans, Patriots, Niners, Cowboys, Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I also think Tennessee should be better, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: ready to commit just yet. With that, Nick Wright joins

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Speaker 1: us Live. First things first, anything jump out to you,

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Speaker 1: any big whiff by me?

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Speaker 4: Well, so I have a question, but first an observation.

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Speaker 5: Overall, I think it's a great list.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: It did make me smile that all the teams you

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Speaker 4: dealt with massive injury, except for, of course, the eleven

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Speaker 5: That all we gotta.

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Speaker 4: Do is move on from Anthony Lynn and Justin Herbert

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Speaker 4: will show you who.

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Speaker 5: Brandon Stanley is the problem. Darn it, Jim Harbor, that

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Speaker 5: ain't it.

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Speaker 4: No, it was all Greg Roman's fault. Now, Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 4: will fix it.

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Speaker 5: You are ball, I mean you, Herbert.

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Speaker 4: Guys are just something else, like I'm starting to think

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Speaker 4: maybe you grease Sam Monson's palm so he voted for

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Speaker 4: Herbert for MVB. You might be the man behind the mirror,

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Speaker 4: and that I am. But otherwise I did's a really

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Speaker 4: good collect I do. My question is this because I

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Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think it's wrong.

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Speaker 4: I was surprised you didn't have Baltimore or Cincinnati on

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Speaker 4: trending up.

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Speaker 3: So tell me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Baltimore Lamar wants a new contract. Okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: But concern too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we just saw it with Josh Allen. No

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Speaker 1: Pro bowlers on defense. I think even Brett veaching the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs when when the quarterback's a big quarterback hit, you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna have a running git, You're gonna have a whole.

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Speaker 1: And I believe the NFL is not about being great everywhere.

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Speaker 1: You can't be terrible anywhere. If you're terrible at left

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Speaker 1: tackle New England Chiefs this year when Simmons is hurt,

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Speaker 1: it's just impossible that the coaching's too good. So and

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Speaker 1: by the way, I like New England and I like

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Speaker 1: the Texans, but the AFC, let's be fair. Had a

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Speaker 1: down year, it's going to be noticeably healthier and better

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Speaker 1: next year.

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Speaker 4: Well, And I don't know if you so I think

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Speaker 4: super Bowl, but I think the Patriots are probably worse

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Speaker 4: than a coin flip to get back to the playoffs

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Speaker 4: next year. And it's not because they were frauds.

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Speaker 5: It's not.

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Speaker 4: I like Drake May, I love Rabel, but to go

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Speaker 4: from literally.

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Speaker 5: The softest schedule in the NFL this century and.

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Speaker 4: The second softest in fifty years to next year, they

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Speaker 4: had their road games Colin They of course have their

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Speaker 4: divisional road games, which Buffalo is one of them, and

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Speaker 4: their other road games are Detroit, the Chargers, the Chiefs, Chicago, Seattle,

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Speaker 4: and Jacksonville. So they play six non divisional road games,

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Speaker 4: four against playoff teams and the two non playoff teams

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Speaker 5: And the Chiefs. So like that schedule.

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Speaker 4: Snap back effect on it, and so I think the Patriot,

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Speaker 4: it's while they could be in the mix for years

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Speaker 4: to come, could have a reality check next season.

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Speaker 4: Yes, tip work and go to the parade, Like I mean,

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Speaker 1: And I said yesterday, y'all forced me to love brock Purty.

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Speaker 4: Well, well listen, you don't. This is I mean, people

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Speaker 5: Everyone was wrong but me.

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Speaker 4: Colin cowhert like you get to take a victory lap

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Speaker 4: on this, buddy. You never you never relented in believing

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Speaker 4: So I will I give you full credit on that

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: Where he falls in the quarterback hierarchy is this Yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I thought you did.

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Speaker 4: You did an interesting thing about just comparing him within

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Speaker 4: Exactly right, That's just how it has fallen.

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Speaker 5: So Stafford's better than him.

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Speaker 4: I rather have Donald or Hurts? I would rather have Donald.

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Speaker 4: Would I rather have Donald or Purty? I would rather

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Speaker 4: the younger guys Donald or Golf. That's a coin flip

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Speaker 4: those are debates, but you hit on I think the

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Speaker 4: most important point. He led the league in turnovers and

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Speaker 4: four times in the Super Bowl Colin where I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: It felt to me, Colin, like Mike Rabel's game plan

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Speaker 4: have to avoid disaster, be concerned on offense. Donald will

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Speaker 4: give it to us. The very first throw of the game.

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Speaker 5: Those pig six.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: We had a resurgence of defensive coaches, and I do

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Speaker 1: think it's funny. Liam Cohen got more votes for Coach

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Speaker 1: We can see Shanahan's motion, we can see Liam Cohen's

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Speaker 1: see what a defensive coach does. You're like, well, you

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Speaker 1: know they draft well. And RG three was on the

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's Mike McDaniel in Miami for two years,

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Speaker 3: Sure, oh my god, it's clever.

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald's like, well, I mean he's I mean, he's

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Speaker 5: Well, so that's.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great question because the Mike McDonald,

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Speaker 4: eleven games against young quarterbacks. Those young quarterbacks are one

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Speaker 4: I think there are a couple things that are working

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Speaker 4: what you're alluding to. Offense seem like the nerds who

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Speaker 3: Psyche candy.

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Speaker 4: It's like, right, a guy like you mentioned McVeigh and

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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell was considered far above Mike mcdanton McDonald on

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Speaker 4: the coaching hierarchy because he's the quarterback whisperer guy Kevin O'Connell. Well,

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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell had a team that had Sam Darnold last

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Speaker 5: I just think the fact that.

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Speaker 5: He rode a little more.

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Speaker 4: In anonymity as opposed to Rabel, who obviously was a

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Speaker 4: But the fact that he's on the East Coast with

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Speaker 4: too much. Like I had to read three articles Colin.

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Speaker 4: They're like, guess what Vrabel did the practice before the

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Speaker 4: We've never seen him like. Guys, he didn't invent practicing

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Speaker 1: They there's so much here. I want to ask this

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Speaker 3: I see the clock. So the NBA makes it hard

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Speaker 1: The NFL does not, and because of that, like Darren

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Speaker 1: Peterson plays for Kansas. Draft him. I don't care that

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Speaker 3: He was sick.

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Speaker 1: People get sick. He has cramps. He looks like Kobe.

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Speaker 1: Draft him. I don't care. Christian McCaffrey missed a Sun Bowl.

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Speaker 1: People freaked out. It was one of the best college

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Speaker 4: Of course, you even pantomimed you were reading, not on

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Speaker 5: I get it. I love it. You painted the picture.

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Speaker 1: And the Laker fans in the letters to the editor,

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Speaker 1: atrocious defensively. We're all offensive guys. And I said Laker

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Speaker 1: fans know the problem. I don't think they know the

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Speaker 1: wrecking ball they need. I said, I think JJ Reddick's

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Speaker 3: I would move everybody.

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Speaker 1: Okac Detroit, San Antonio elite defense is three best teams

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Speaker 3: We can't. We can't do that.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the Lakers and Lebron, how do

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Speaker 1: whole thing work so it's gracious? You bring the wrecking

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Speaker 1: That's no way to treat a star.

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Speaker 3: Exit.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think that'll be it, because Lebron's finished

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Speaker 4: and I think he'll leave. Lebron has finished every contract

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Speaker 4: He's never been traded, never demanded a trade, and I

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Speaker 5: They never tried. They always were more worried about max

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Speaker 4: The road, when this is no longer calling a max

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Speaker 4: let their contracts expire. Now they're like team that I

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Speaker 5: Oh? We signed it. I'd like to be traded please.

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Speaker 5: And I think the Warriors.

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Speaker 4: Made the mistake of this two timeline nonsense and threw

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Speaker 4: Then they got Luca and they still didn't accelerate. They're like, no,

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Speaker 4: very real chance that the best teammate Luka Doncic ever

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Speaker 4: To not try to fix what is obviously a fatal

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Speaker 4: this year is not the time. And honestly, if we

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Speaker 4: Hopefully the Dodgers folks that are taking it over have

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they're not a championship level team because they can't.

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Speaker 4: They got to score one thirty five to win against

439
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Speaker 4: good teams. You're not gonna win three rounds that way,

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Speaker 4: let alone four.

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Speaker 3: All Right, buddy, you did a great job yesterday.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have good shows all week, and thank you

443
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Speaker 1: and we'll get to the Chiefs next week. I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to burden you with that one.

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Speaker 3: I wanted a Lakers take Listen.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was it's nice for the whole NFL

447
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Speaker 4: to see how the Chiefs have been carrying the AFC

448
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Speaker 4: this decade. You see these Super Bowls when the Chiefs

449
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Speaker 4: aren't in them. You see these AFC playoffs when the

450
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Speaker 4: Chiefs aren't in them. A lot of Stidhammackers, Stidham drake

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Speaker 4: May ten to seven. Ye, everybody missed Kings City a

452
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Speaker 4: little bit. It's fine year off, be back next year,

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Speaker 4: see Assumeboddy.

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Speaker 3: All right, Nick Wright, First things first, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The it was a it was a clunky AFC playoffs.

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Speaker 3: The nfcs were unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to my buddy in New York, who

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Speaker 1: is a Seahawks devoted Seahawks fan, and I'm like, sixth

459
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Speaker 1: most cap space, best defense, young coach Darnold, team friendly deal.

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Speaker 1: They've got the first, second and third round picks. They

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Speaker 1: have about two to three needs. They'll answer all those.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm just saying Seattle is going to

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Speaker 1: be really good next year. In the year after then.

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Speaker 1: You don't know, you can't project three years out in

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Speaker 1: pro football. You can project twenty four months.

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Speaker 6: That's fair. But if they lose one of two Walker

467
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Speaker 6: or Shaheed, and what if they lose two of two,

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Speaker 6: they lose both those.

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Speaker 3: Guys, Shahe, you can lose.

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Speaker 6: I mean the punt return against the Rams essentially saved

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Speaker 6: their season, down sixteen with eight minutes left in the game. Walker,

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Speaker 6: the hickoff returning.

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Speaker 3: Walker is very very important.

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Speaker 6: Charbonaye will be back. But also I think this Kubiak

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Speaker 6: lost Colin. I don't want to draw a direct parallel

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Speaker 6: to what happened with Jared Goff and Ben Johnson, but

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Speaker 6: we saw when you lose your offensive coordinator, that offense

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Speaker 6: sagged into predicted.

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Speaker 1: That Okay, GoF was still fine. The problem you went

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Speaker 1: from the best offensive coordinator and it dropped down to.

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Speaker 6: An in house guy.

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Speaker 1: So Clint Kubiak, I don't think is Ben Johnson. I

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Speaker 1: think he's good. So you're not that high. And my

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Speaker 1: my my gut is John Snyder and Mike McDaniel, Mike

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Speaker 1: mc they don't choose guy down the home McDonald.

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Speaker 3: Now, they may, they may.

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Speaker 6: They's Saturday. They're going to go in house for.

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Speaker 3: That I don't love that.

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Speaker 1: But my take is Ben Johnson was the best OC

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Speaker 1: for three years. Clint Kubiak say, really good OC, and

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Speaker 1: the guy who replaced Ben Johnson it didn't work. By

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Speaker 1: mid season Campbell took it over. If you hire a

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Speaker 1: guy that's not Clint Kubiak, but it's capable, it's a

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Speaker 1: really good roster and a really good GM. I mean,

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Speaker 1: last year's Super Bowl team was Philly led by their GM.

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Speaker 1: This year Super Bowl is Seattle.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Philly luster lester OC Kellen Moore goes to

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Speaker 6: the Saints, New OC total disaster.

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Speaker 3: Phill double digit wins, and it was a disaster, but.

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Speaker 6: The division was a joke. Washington fell off a cliff.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you're almost selling me on the opposite of Seattle.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna go to nine wins. That division is brutal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why the NBA we don't like tanking.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, five to seven teams every year tanking

531
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Speaker 1: and everybody understands it, and you can't stop it. It's like, okay,

532
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Speaker 1: just I mean, I'm not saying you have to go

533
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Speaker 1: and full embrace it, but don't change any rules to

534
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Speaker 1: avoid tanking. And the bottom line, don't you want the

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Speaker 1: bad teams to get good?

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Speaker 3: Let them.

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Speaker 1: I don't like a team being the second worst in

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Speaker 1: the league and then drafting nine. It's like, reward them,

539
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Speaker 1: give them a player. Guess what if you do that,

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Speaker 1: they won't be tanking in three years. But it feels

541
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Speaker 1: like it's the same teams over and over and over.

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Speaker 1: It they don't win the ping pong ball lottery, you

543
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Speaker 1: know you have to.

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Speaker 3: Tank again, seems to me. J Mack with the.

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Speaker 2: News, No no turns, this is the headline news.

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Speaker 6: You know who had a good Super Bowl Colling Cooper Cup.

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Speaker 6: I haven't talked much about him. He was everywhere sixty

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Speaker 6: one yards at twelve targets. Pretty good game from Cooper Cup. Afterward,

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Speaker 6: Mike McDonald, he may have gone overboard on Cooper Cup's

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Speaker 6: career and legacy. Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: Cooper is an absolute force multiplier, an absolute stud of

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Speaker 8: a person, stud of a teammate. Uh this should cement

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Speaker 8: him in the Hall of Fame in my opinion. I mean,

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Speaker 8: SUPERWL MVP, two time champion, all time great teammate.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 8: I think the other thing that with Coop is like

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Speaker 8: he just the way he's helped our program and how

558
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Speaker 8: we build what we do from day to day is

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Speaker 8: not talked about it enough. You know, he's got he's

560
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Speaker 8: got a great perspective. I'd be an idiot not to

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Speaker 8: listen to him. You know, sometimes we don't do what

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Speaker 8: he wants, but definitely listen to him.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's very interesting why he had a big game.

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Speaker 1: So if you're Seattle in preparing for a New England

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Speaker 1: Vrabel team, aren't you thinking, oh, they're going to take

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Speaker 1: away JSN. You go into a game knowing that's the

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Speaker 1: Rabel Belichick mantra make teams play left handed. So Seattle said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna stack it for Cooper Cup. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: more open. So Seattle's game plan was like, Okay, jsn's great,

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Speaker 1: but we know what they're gonna do. They're gonna be

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Speaker 1: all over JSN.

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Speaker 3: And they were.

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Speaker 1: And so again the game plan by McDonald I thought

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Speaker 1: was superior than the New England game plan, which is

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Speaker 1: Seattle was like, no, we're gonna target We're gonna target

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Speaker 1: our number two guy because we know what you're gonna do,

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Speaker 1: and Cooper Cup ended up. This is one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest completions of the game. So you know, in Seattle

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Speaker 1: also very much early is like, we're taking field goals.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna play into your game and go for

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Speaker 1: it on fourth down. We're taking the points and just

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Speaker 1: bleed you three nothing, six nothing, nine nothing. So Seattle

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Speaker 1: went into this game clearly knowing we're not gonna we

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Speaker 1: know what everybody thinks you're gonna do to us, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna counteract it. And I thought Seattle had a

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Speaker 1: very smart game. Boy.

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Speaker 6: It's Koobi act institutional knowledge walking out the door into Uh,

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Speaker 6: where's he going to Raiders?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Raiders. So listen. I like McDonald a lot. I

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Speaker 6: like Cooper Cup a lot. What a great story. I

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Speaker 6: think he went to the same college as you, right

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Speaker 6: in eastern Washington.

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Speaker 5: Stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: It's largely understood as the princeton of the Police.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I've heard that somewhere before, I think from you.

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Speaker 6: I just don't like when McDonald goes overboard and says

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Speaker 6: cementum as a Hall of Famer. Can't we just say,

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Speaker 6: like one of the better receivers of his generation well,

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Speaker 6: he says, I did a drill down Colin during the

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Speaker 6: commercial break. You know how many one thousand yard receivers

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Speaker 6: seasons Cooper Cup has in his career?

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Speaker 3: Three two.

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Speaker 6: One amazing season.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a very good player. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if he's I know, I don't like that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's had a lot of injuries, but I

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Speaker 6: just I don't like when guys go over them put

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Speaker 6: too much pressure. Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I recall, like year three to year seven,

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Speaker 1: he had like a four year stretcher.

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Speaker 3: He was just a monster.

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Speaker 6: You three, he was really good. He was uh, you know,

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Speaker 6: eleven hundred yards, ten touchdowns. I think that was with

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Speaker 6: golf when they went to the Super Bowl. Then when

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Speaker 6: they get Stafford, he had another monster year. But I

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Speaker 6: understand the force multiplier in the locker room. I think

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Speaker 6: you told was it the New York Post? Did you

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Speaker 6: tell them that about me? When I joined the staff force.

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Speaker 3: I recall that, and I get it.

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Speaker 6: Cooper Cup's work, ethic and all that stuff. They love him.

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Speaker 6: He's a great guy. But let's just let's pump the brakes.

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Speaker 6: A Hall of fame for Cooper Cup. And I like

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Speaker 6: him a lot, all right, let's move on to NFL

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Speaker 6: Draft season. Colin the Combines coming up here in what

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Speaker 6: two weeks? Joel Klatt has released mock Draft one point zero,

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Speaker 6: and as you will find out when you look at

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Speaker 6: a lot of these mock drafts, there's no surprise at

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Speaker 6: the top. Everybody in their mom has been Doza going

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Speaker 6: one to the Raiders. Yeah too, there is some question.

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Speaker 6: Ruben Bain gets a lot of love, but Klatt has

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Speaker 6: RVL Reese, the great linebacker from Ohio State. They played

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Speaker 6: a lot of middle linebackers then came off the edge

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Speaker 6: this season.

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Speaker 3: Great player.

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Speaker 1: I would take an offensive lineman or an edge rusher

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Speaker 1: over outside linebacker.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, we just saw a Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl where the defense dominated.

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Speaker 2: The Gens.

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Speaker 3: Rebuilding Ruby Bain would be hard for me not to tell.

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Speaker 6: I like Bane a lot. There's a lot of chatter

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Speaker 6: about his short arms. Arm length could struggle with the way.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see the Giants take a receiver.

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Speaker 1: Take Spencer Fano from Utah, get your right tackle.

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Speaker 3: Fix for Jackson Dart who was in the Blue ten.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't understand that.

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Speaker 3: Cardill Pate's great.

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Speaker 1: You don't need another receiver get Jackson, Dart and Scataboo

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Speaker 1: a wall in front.

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Speaker 6: And not to not the wide receivers. But if you

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Speaker 6: look at like the last like ten years, the first

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Speaker 6: receiver usually is not the best one. And that happens

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Speaker 6: because you get more value when the guy drops. Now,

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Speaker 6: I don't know about mackay Lemon. You know him a lot.

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Speaker 3: I know him a lot.

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Speaker 6: You think he goes eight. That's a little rich for me.

658
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Speaker 1: I can tell you. I can tell you there are

659
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Speaker 1: teams that like him when you get into the eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen. Yes,

660
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Speaker 1: he is considered a can't miss, not a superstar absolute.

661
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I would say the comp is a little omor on

662
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Saint Brown. But you know, and Omoran's been great. That

663
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: doesn't drop it Route Tree, what's really happened? Carnal takes

664
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: more of a physical specimen. Mackay Lemons just incredibly open

665
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: and dependable stronghands. No drops, very good after the catch,

666
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: but not a burner?

667
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Speaker 6: Was it the Illinois game? He was just unguardable. I

668
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 6: saw it was what it was. He was so good.

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Speaker 3: He didn't have off games at USC.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's exceptional. Did Jeremiah love stuff? It's going to

671
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 6: be interesting. I think a lot of people are saying

672
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 6: Chiefs that doesn't make sense.

673
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: Oh it does?

674
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Speaker 6: Do they have so many needs?

675
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Speaker 5: Call it?

676
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Speaker 6: Are you kidding me?

677
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 5: Oh?

678
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Speaker 3: I think I think Lie is the to run by.

679
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 3: I think he is exceptional.

680
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 6: The last time they took a number one running back

681
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 6: first round was Clyde Edwards Hilaire and that was bottom

682
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 6: of the first Still it didn't really work out running

683
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 6: back that high on question. And then finally Caleb Downs.

684
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 6: There is some uh, I gotta be careful here. There's

685
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 6: a lot of love for what happened in the Super

686
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 6: Bowl with Amanwari the safety for the Seahawks, and there's

687
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 6: a couple other safeties around the league who are being

688
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 6: moved around like chess pieces, hugely valuable. I think Caleb

689
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 6: Downs is a little low at twelve to the Cowboys.

690
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Speaker 3: If you can get Caleb Downs at twelve, I.

691
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Speaker 6: Think he's gonna go higher in that. That's I think

692
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 6: it's put.

693
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 3: The now is this year.

694
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 6: This Joe class. This is Joe class. Klat's got a

695
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 6: lot of big den guys.

696
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Speaker 1: This is a really really good draft. Yeah, there goes

697
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: are the top twelve player. There are some dude David

698
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Bailey at Texas Texas.

699
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 6: Now there is some off field stuff about Bailey that's

700
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 6: starting a bubble up. We'll see. I like him a lot.

701
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 6: I'm not not taking shots. But obviously draft season is

702
00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 6: gonna be fun.

703
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: Very good offensive tackle and edge rusher draft.

704
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 6: And as you saw this season, that's massive. Final storyc On,

705
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 6: let's go to the NBA. Ooh, Lakers gonna be very

706
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 6: spicy here this offseason and may not be good for

707
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 6: Rob Polinka. There is a report, and I know there's

708
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 6: a lot of reports out there, but this one indicates

709
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 6: that if LA doesn't make a deep playoff run, Rob

710
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 6: Polenka's job will likely be on quote life support, despite

711
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 6: him trading for Luca Doncis last year. Now, some of

712
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 6: that has to do with this Dodger's new ownership situation.

713
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 6: You know how it goes new front office. They want

714
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 6: their guys and they could have a new GM targeted

715
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Speaker 6: Polenka could be.

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Speaker 3: You have the problem with Rob Polenka.

717
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: I walk in as the Dodger guy, and I look

718
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: at the league and I do analytics, and it is

719
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: a three and D league and you don't have any

720
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: elite defenders and not enough shooters.

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Speaker 3: I got nothing against.

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00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: Rob Polinka, who can be a little fin scanned like Rob,

723
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: you don't have what the league is.

724
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: This is a fantasy offense.

725
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 6: It's difficult to find those guys when you're a handicapped

726
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 6: by the Lebron contract.

727
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm not I again, I'm not saying it's all on Rob.

728
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is go look at ok see, that's

729
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: what you want to be. You need And I'm not

730
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: And I said, people don't understand the wrecking ball.

731
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: The Lakers need about five more B.

732
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Speaker 1: Plus up players, like like a McHale Bridges they need,

733
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: but I mean not one. They need two McHale Bridges.

734
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: They need a better rim protector. They need at least

735
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: two more three point shooters.

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Speaker 6: And despite all that they're fifth.

737
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: In the West, they're not.

738
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Speaker 1: They are a regular season team, and they are so

739
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: built for now. Check in April May when people start

740
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: defending the They went into the Minnesota Series a lot of.

741
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: Ooh, you were one of them. It's going to be interesting.

742
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: It was a complete mismatch because once you play a

743
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: team over and over and over, then they can hunt

744
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: your weaknesses.

745
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: A Lakers have a lot of weakness.

746
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 6: Reddick's first postseason. I'm gonna excuse it away. I'll just

747
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 6: say this, Polinka better go into that meeting with ownership

748
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 6: armed with a lot of stats and an offseason game

749
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 6: plan or Colin, you know how these Dodgers guys operate.

750
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 6: I think he could be ushered out quite quickly if

751
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 6: he doesn't come with like a great offseason game plan.

752
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 6: And there's a lot of good free agents out there.

753
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 6: I think the Lakers are in good shape. I think

754
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 6: a Clippers fan on staff put this together. The Lakers

755
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 6: under Polinka, we have their history here. I don't know

756
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 6: if we're gonna show it, but from twenty seventeen to

757
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 6: twenty twenty five, let's just say a lot of first

758
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 6: round exits for Polinka in Los Angeles not great.

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Speaker 1: J McK with the News, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping that.

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Speaker 2: The Herd linew Todd.

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Speaker 3: McShay last hour. We're gonna we're gonna go back into

763
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Speaker 3: that draft.

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Speaker 1: It is a really good draft with a star quarterback

765
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Speaker 1: at the top.

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Speaker 1: Todd McShay last hour, we called it five up and

776
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: five down. Five teams in the league we think are

777
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: trending up will be noticeably better teams. It won't all

778
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: be just record and then five teams and many teams

779
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: I like. I feel like they'll pull back the five

780
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: up teams. The giant is the easiest call in the league.

781
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: I also think the Chargers and Lions big hits at

782
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator will empower the teams.

783
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: I like both.

784
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: Front Off says Kansas City's not going six and eleven again.

785
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: And I think Jayden Daniels is healthy and if he's healthy,

786
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: he's a very good quarterback. I like the Texans and

787
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots and the forty nine ers, I really do.

788
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: But we got a question about c. J. Stroud and

789
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: they have not been good outside of their division. The

790
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: Texans have dominated their division. Jacksonville could be better. I

791
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: think Tennessee's going to be one of one of the

792
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: you got to keep your eye on Tennessee. My guess

793
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: is they're much better New England. Again, I like New

794
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: England and the Niners, but they got lucky to some

795
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: degree didn't have to face bo Nicks bad weather. You know,

796
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: it was kind of they were a limited offense with

797
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: a great defense. Bad weather maybe played into it a

798
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, they played a Chargers team that

799
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: had the thirty second ranked OH line. I could see

800
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots being a ten win team and eleven win

801
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,479
Speaker 1: team and playing road games and against Patrick Mahomes or

802
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: a Josh Allen. Niners I think are well run, but

803
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: they've missed on enough draft picks that they have holes

804
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: in their roster. And I think Seattle and the Rams

805
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: are stacked. I think it's unbelievable. One of the coaching

806
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: jobs of the year, I said I was giving Coach

807
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: of the Year to Kyle Shanahan. That's why I gave

808
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year two at twelve and five. They

809
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: did not have twelve and five personnel. Shanahan and Sala

810
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: were remarkable, and now Sala just walk out the door.

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Speaker 3: Bosa.

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Speaker 1: He's getting older, getting dinged up, and I don't know

813
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do a wide receiver. And McCaffrey's coming

814
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: off a four hundred and fifty touch season Cowboys Eagles.

815
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: I think Dallas unravels, and I think Philadelphia is just

816
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: it's musical chairs with coordinators. Is there one that you

817
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: adamantly disagree with?

818
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 6: I largely agree with your trending up. I don't know

819
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 6: about the Commanders, though not sure dan Quinn had to

820
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 6: basically gut his coaching staff old roster. I would swap

821
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 6: out the Manners and put in the Cincinnati Bengals, who

822
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 6: get Joe Burrow, hopefully for a full season, and you

823
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 6: know they're gonna eclipse six wins. On the trending downside,

824
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Speaker 6: I'm surprised you didn't have the Pittsburgh Steelers on there.

825
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 6: I mean, we've talked about I think.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers. WHOA is it gonna be

827
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: Rodgers or we don't know? So I'm waiting for that. Okay,

828
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: So I think they could be a ten win team.

829
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: I think Mike McCarthy wins with B plus quarterbacks.

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Speaker 6: So just again, I know we don't talk Houston Texans

831
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 6: a lot on this show. Why are they trending down?

832
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 6: Remember Nico Collins missed the playoffs.

833
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: June last year, ten and two in Division five and

834
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: nine against playoff teams. They're just I mean, I love

835
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Speaker 1: I'm the CJ. Stroud defender. He had not the same quarterback.

836
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Speaker 6: That's fair. They started zero to three, they had Stroud

837
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 6: had a couple concussions, Nico Collins in and out, but

838
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 6: they got the quarterback on the rookie deal and that

839
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 6: defense is all coming.

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Speaker 1: How long are they going to have that quarterback on

841
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: the rookie They have big decisions to make.

842
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 6: I think they got one more year before Demiko Ryan's

843
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 6: in the hut set again.

844
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Speaker 3: I can like it.

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Speaker 1: I like San Francisco, but twelve and five was shockingly effective.

846
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 6: I've got a couple of big off season decisions. Juwan

847
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 6: Jennings is a sneaky, big one for them.

848
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: I like him.

849
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's sneaky, man. I think that's

850
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: a big decision.

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Speaker 1: Our three