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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to Fast Politics. I'm Molly Jongfast. We have

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today. Later in the show,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Representative Jason Crow about Pete Hegseth's madness.

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Speaker 1: But first, we have MSNOW's Lawrence O'Donnell on the historic

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Speaker 1: signs he's seeing in the midterms.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: This is great. Great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you. I feel like this is a

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Speaker 1: midterm that we will refer back to because of just

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Speaker 1: the way it's changed the map already and the way

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Speaker 1: we see Republicans spending in states like Nebraska. But does

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Speaker 1: it remind you of previous cycles?

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Speaker 3: You know, I just want to remind the kids a

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Speaker 3: couple of things. When I hear the word Nebraska, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not 100 years old, okay? But When I worked

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Speaker 3: what is fun is Kansas, right? Because it's literally 94 years.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's 94 years since a Democrat has won

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Speaker 3: remember that. Okay. I do not remember a democratic Senator

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Speaker 3: you know, that you really use to say, wow, you know,

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Speaker 3: something really big, uh, has happened here. And the huge

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Speaker 3: thing that's happened here is the Republicans have simply, uh,

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Speaker 3: kicked away support. Now, Donald Trump being, you know, the

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Speaker 3: stupidest person ever allowed or a microphone, uh, in the

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Speaker 3: United States. I can't speak for the world, but I

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Speaker 3: And he does, he has never understood how to appeal

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Speaker 3: stupidity and all of that, um, it doesn't pick out

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Speaker 3: a single voter. It's why Donald Trump has never won,

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Speaker 3: never won 51%. And when he got elected the first time,

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Speaker 3: the only thing to watch when someone wins the presidency

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Speaker 3: speaking to those people in their victory speech. Most of them.

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Speaker 3: Trump never has to this day spoken to the people

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Speaker 3: paying the price for that. Most of them were not

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Speaker 3: as crazy and audacious as Trump and actively trying to

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Speaker 3: offend the people who didn't vote for them. But they,

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Speaker 3: I would say the only person who's ever kind of

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Speaker 3: it's very, very common for a Democratic senator to vote

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Speaker 1: Because part of what's happening here is we have an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, my personal, my case against Susan Collins

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Speaker 3: You know, those are not independent choices. And there was

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Speaker 1: Yes, correct. But the referendum here, the idea of having

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And what is this phrase, asked her to resign?

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Speaker 1: But it is, I think you have a really good

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Speaker 3: Trump voters can understand credit card debt.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of them have very, very burdensome credit

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Speaker 3: But credit card debt? Oh, okay. They will understand that.

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Speaker 3: And also, she's an idiot and we all know that.

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Speaker 3: So let's just get rid of her. And how long

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He was able that first year to really keep it.

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Speaker 1: just completely sign off on all of Trump, almost all

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Speaker 1: of Trump's ridiculousness.

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Speaker 5: So, Molly, it is very clear that the Trump administration

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Speaker 5: is trying to change the subject. And what they think

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Speaker 5: is always a win is if Democrats are defending trans

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Speaker 5: people or Muslims. So, of course, Trump is now raided

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Speaker 5: Ilhan Omar's home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, this is such an interesting thing because

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Speaker 1: like this, again, is a play for the base.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: To get the base excited because. Remember, Trump loves a villain.

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Speaker 1: He loves a woman villain. He loves a woman of

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Speaker 1: color villain. Like, these are the people who he gets

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Speaker 1: his face excited about, right? Because it's racism. It's ultimately

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Speaker 1: racism and xenophobia. So he has had his DOJ search

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Speaker 1: her house for what? For proof that her father might

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Speaker 1: have lied about her age when she was a teenager?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so thin. It's like in a

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Speaker 1: normal world, it's the kind of thing people get arrested

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Speaker 1: in Hungary or in Russia for, right? It's the kind

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Speaker 1: of thing that authoritarians go after people for. But it's

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Speaker 1: completely so thin and it's not a real thing. So

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen here is Donald Trump is going

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Speaker 1: to try to run against Ilhan Omar because he thinks

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Speaker 1: it might get his base excited. And remember, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is the only problem, which is the base is mad

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Speaker 1: about how expensive diesel is, mad about how expensive gas is,

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Speaker 1: mad about how expensive tariffs have made everything. And now

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is just trying anything he can left in

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Speaker 1: his clipper. So it's bad. It's upsetting. It's wrong. But

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Speaker 1: it's also absolutely who Donald Trump is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And we always knew they were going to do these

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Speaker 5: subject changes. In fact, I saw these– reparations billboards go

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Speaker 5: up in new york this week and i was like

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Speaker 5: that is 100 a republican front because these billboards right

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Speaker 5: here those are not written by somebody who actually supports

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Speaker 5: reparations no and it's they just know it's unpopular yeah

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Speaker 5: they want to get candidates talking about this instead of

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Speaker 5: talking about him and that's what this clearly is correct

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Speaker 5: so molly um Trouble in Paradise, CBS News, 60 Minutes

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Speaker 5: continues to devolve as Leslie Stahl probably, I'd be curious

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Speaker 5: what you say, but like top five most respected people

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Speaker 5: in journalism is now apparently furious and on the verge

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Speaker 5: of quitting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's not that going to be that

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Speaker 1: many people laughed. So basically, I mean, this is such a,

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Speaker 1: this is exactly what you think it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: So Barry Weiss tried to influence a story about settlers,

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Speaker 1: about Israeli settlers violently hurting Palestinians and trying to drive

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Speaker 1: them out of the West Bank. Look, Barry Weiss has

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Speaker 1: that job because she's very Zionist. The Ellisons, also very Zionist.

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Speaker 1: You know, Leslie Stahl, a journalist who is very surprised

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Speaker 1: that the very Zionist head of CBS News is trying

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Speaker 1: to get her to change her story. But we knew

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Speaker 1: this was going to happen because we've seen how Barry

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Speaker 1: Weiss's behavior has been this entire time. And she's tried

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Speaker 1: to influence stories. She's tried to put her finger on

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Speaker 1: the scale. She's tried all sorts of things. And some

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Speaker 1: of this is, like, because she doesn't really come from

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Speaker 1: a news background. She comes from opinion. She was an

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Speaker 1: opinion editor. And opinion is different than news, right? News

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Speaker 1: is totally different. But also, like, CBS has had this

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Speaker 1: sort of gold standard-y A thing where they did not,

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Speaker 1: they were really careful about their stories. They really had

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Speaker 1: things vetted that wasn't a finger on the scale. And

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Speaker 1: now Barry Weiss is just ruining what little is left

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Speaker 1: of the brand. And she is trying to, you know,

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Speaker 1: influence the network to be more Zionist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I think it'll be very curious what this story

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Speaker 5: looks like, because the footage you see on Al Jazeera

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Speaker 5: and TikTok or anywhere else each day is some of

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Speaker 5: the most appalling footage I've seen in my life. And

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Speaker 5: I'll be very curious how watered down it comes out.

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Speaker 3: If any.

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Speaker 1: But it also shows like the primary issue here that

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Speaker 1: has always been that Barry has really tried to elevate

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Speaker 1: Israel and Zionism in her coverage. And so, like, it

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Speaker 1: makes sense that she was going to try and put

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Speaker 1: her finger on the scale when it came to this.

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Speaker 1: And I'm actually just surprised that Leslie Stahl is surprised.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of truth to that.

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Speaker 1: Representative Jason Crow represents Colorado's 6th Congressional District. Welcome, welcome,

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Speaker 1: Jason Crow.

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Speaker 4: Molly, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So... Pete Hegseth, you were a veteran and you served

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Speaker 1: and you serve on armed services still. And so you're.

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Speaker 1: you know, you think a lot about what it means

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Speaker 1: to serve and what that entails. So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth and this new, but truly maddening and also

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Speaker 1: really upsetting public execution plan. Can you just give us

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Speaker 1: a little backstory on this and also why you think

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Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth is doing this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there seems to be no bottom for Pete Hegseth.

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Speaker 4: Just when you think he's bottomed out, He lowers it

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Speaker 4: even more. And this represents the opposite of what the

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Speaker 4: military ethos and military leadership is supposed to be and

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Speaker 4: what I learned in the military. I was an Army Ranger.

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Speaker 4: I worked in special operations. I was a paratrooper, a

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Speaker 4: three-time combat veteran in Iraq and Afghanistan. And when you learn,

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Speaker 4: what you learn in Ranger school and infantry school and

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Speaker 4: officer training is this idea of servant leadership. in the

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Speaker 4: notion of the quiet professional, that you do your job,

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Speaker 4: you do it well, you don't do it with fanfare,

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Speaker 4: you don't do it in front of the cameras. You're

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Speaker 4: supposed to keep your head down and do what our

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Speaker 4: country asks you to do. That is the ethos, right?

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Speaker 4: And servant leadership is you give the credit to your

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Speaker 4: soldiers and you take the responsibility. And when you're a paratrooper,

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Speaker 4: when you're jumping out of an aircraft, the leader goes

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Speaker 4: first and then your soldiers follow. When you're out in

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Speaker 4: the field, and you get hot chow, and a warm

542
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Speaker 4: meal comes, everyone else eats first, and if there's food

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Speaker 4: left over, then you eat. What Pete Hashtag has done

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Speaker 4: is flip all of that on its head. Everything is

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Speaker 4: about the performance politics. Everything is about the video, about him,

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Speaker 4: and this is an extension of that. Personally, I'm pained.

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Speaker 4: It actually pains me that he's going to do this

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Speaker 4: public execution because the message that it sends is that

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Speaker 4: the military is about is about vengeance, is about killing,

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Speaker 4: is about performative videos. And that's just not at all

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Speaker 4: what our military is about and has been about. And

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Speaker 4: he continues to degrade the culture of the military that

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Speaker 4: I love so greatly. So I'm going to push back

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Speaker 4: against it. We're going to fight it. We're going to

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Speaker 4: retake the house. And I'm going after Pete Hegseth, and

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Speaker 4: I'm going to do it hard.

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Speaker 1: Doing a live execution like this, besides being just untoward,

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Speaker 1: is actually really unusual. And his excuse for it was

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Speaker 1: basically that it serves as a deterrent. But it does

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Speaker 1: strike me as like actually really dangerous and destructive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, first of all, we know for a fact

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Speaker 4: that capital punishment doesn't serve as a deterrent. We just

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Speaker 4: know that, right? We've had capital punishment and we know

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Speaker 4: that in places and states that have capital punishment, it

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Speaker 4: actually does not deter people. It does not reduce violent crimes.

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Speaker 4: And it's, uh, besides the fact, besides the morality of it,

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Speaker 4: besides the fact that just from a criminal justice perspective,

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Speaker 4: it actually doesn't deter and reduce crime. It's also exorbitantly

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Speaker 4: more expensive and it costs, you know, folks in the

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Speaker 4: States and areas that does it, uh, uh, a lot more.

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Speaker 4: So it really doesn't make sense from any perspective, moral,

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Speaker 4: criminal justice, public safety, or financial. Uh, and, um, Pete Hegseth,

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Speaker 4: of course, doesn't care about policy and facts. For him,

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Speaker 4: this is about looking tough and catering to the far right.

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Speaker 4: That is all this is about for him. And it

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Speaker 4: is setting us back as a nation because it reduces

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Speaker 4: our credibility. The rest of the world looks at us

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Speaker 4: and they say, is this what America is about? Is

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Speaker 4: this what we do? And it also is now making

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Speaker 4: us safer. Think about our adversaries. Those who were We're

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Speaker 4: trying to combat the terrorists that we've been trying to

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Speaker 4: fight for now 20 plus years, right? This actually helps

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Speaker 4: them with their propaganda and their rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: It makes us less safe. It is a mistake every

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Speaker 4: way you can measure it.

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Speaker 1: So Tina Peters, we know, was in the Oval Office planning, supposedly, again,

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Speaker 1: this is anecdotal, but I mean, who knows, uh, supposing,

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Speaker 1: supposedly planning some kind of plan for midterms. Uh, I, I,

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Speaker 1: I'm you, you were in Colorado. She was pardoned by

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Speaker 1: polis or she was, I think she was pardoned, right.

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Speaker 1: Or commuted or something. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Commuted. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Commuted. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so, uh, now she is out in the world.

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Speaker 1: So in chaos, what, I mean, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, this is a surprise. This should

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Speaker 4: be a surprise to nobody. Tina Peters, a convicted felon,

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Speaker 4: convicted by a jury of her peers, by the way.

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Speaker 4: Let's also be clear whenever people make these false accusations

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Speaker 4: that this is some kind of political prosecution. These things

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Speaker 4: are done before grand juries and regular juries, right? So

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Speaker 4: it's regular everyday folks who are passing indictments and passing

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Speaker 4: judgment in these cases. And that's one. Number two, she

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Speaker 4: showed zero contrition, right? Pardons and commutations should be in

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Speaker 4: pursuit of justice. And when there's contrition and remorse, she

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Speaker 4: showed none of that. Up until the moment this happened

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Speaker 4: and she was released from prison, she doubled down on

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Speaker 4: election denialism. She doubled down on the big lie. So

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Speaker 4: why should anybody be surprised that now she's being pulled

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Speaker 4: back into the Trump orbit and is being consulted. And

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Speaker 4: she's become the poster child once again for the big

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Speaker 4: lie and for election denialism, and is helping formulate whatever

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Speaker 4: this plan is to try to suppress the election and

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Speaker 4: take away Americans' voice. She's in the center of it

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Speaker 4: once again. So yeah, she never should have been let

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Speaker 4: out of prison. And now we have to deal with

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Speaker 4: Tina Peters, this election cycle. And God knows what this

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Speaker 4: president is willing to do He's willing to do a lot.

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Speaker 4: We know that. We just have to be ready for it.

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Speaker 1: And what does that look like? Because I think there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety about the upcoming elections. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, so I'm the battleground co-chair, right? So I'm in

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Speaker 4: part responsible for the midterm election. But last year I

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Speaker 4: was the recruitment co-chair. So there's nothing more important when

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Speaker 4: you're flipping red to blue seats. I flipped my seat

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Speaker 4: in 2018. I'm the first Democrat to ever hold my seat.

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Speaker 4: in Congress, in the history of my district. I held

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Speaker 4: it as a frontliner, what's called a frontliner, my first re-election.

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Speaker 4: Redistricting gave me a little bit of breathing room, although

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Speaker 4: I'm still not a deep blue sea by anyone's estimation.

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Speaker 1: What's your district, just from my own investigation?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm South Metro Denver. So it's the 6th District

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Speaker 4: of Colorado. So it's the southern part of Denver and

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Speaker 4: all the communities south of Denver. So Aurora, Littleton, Centennial, Englewood...

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Speaker 4: all of those communities. That's my district. And so anyhow,

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Speaker 4: the single biggest factor is candidate quality when you're flipping

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Speaker 4: a seat, right? Because everyone always says like, well, what

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00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:59,860
Speaker 4: about the Democratic brand and the slogan? What's our mantra?

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Speaker 4: What's our Democratic message? Like, well, we're trying to convince

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Speaker 4: voters who have either never voted for a Democrat or

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Speaker 4: haven't in a very, very long time that they should

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Speaker 4: vote for a Democrat and And what's not going to

644
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Speaker 4: happen in one short election cycle is these voters are

645
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:19,850
Speaker 4: going to say, wow, Trump has let me down. He's corrupt.

646
00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:22,250
Speaker 4: He's broken all of his promises. My life has gotten worse.

647
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Speaker 4: But the Democrats, they're killing it now. They're just killing it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: That's not happening in places. Right. But what they are

650
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Speaker 4: going to say is, you know, this woman, this man

651
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:37,060
Speaker 4: who's independent, who's showing their independent streak will relentlessly focus

652
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,420
Speaker 4: on this community and the needs of this community. I'm

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Speaker 4: going to give this person a shot. That's how we

654
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Speaker 4: win elections. That's how we flip. So that's been my job,

655
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Speaker 4: recruiting those candidates, finding those candidates, mentoring them. I'm now

656
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Speaker 4: the battleground chair, co-chair, and we're on the roll. We're

657
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Speaker 4: going deep in the red territory. We're being aggressive. We're

658
00:38:56,780 --> 00:39:00,380
Speaker 4: expanding our battlefield. And then we're getting ready to get

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Speaker 4: this done.

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Speaker 1: So you guys added 18 seats. That was today, I guess,

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Speaker 1: or yesterday or recently. And it seems like you guys

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Speaker 1: keep adding seats. I saw this Stefanik seat in upstate

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Speaker 1: New York, which is in R plus 21. There was

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Speaker 1: some polling that chose the Democrat as the head. What

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Speaker 1: do you think is happening?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, what's happening is we actually are going back

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Speaker 4: to places that we haven't been to in a long time,

668
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Speaker 4: which is one of our mistakes, right? The first step

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Speaker 4: to expanding our map into actually starting to win in

670
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Speaker 4: places we haven't won before is we have to go

671
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Speaker 4: to folks and we have to, with humility, we have

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Speaker 4: to say, we're sorry we've fallen short. We have to

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Speaker 4: accept responsibility and show people that we accept responsibility for

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Speaker 4: falling short. In fall of 2024, Democrats lost 90% of

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Speaker 4: US counties in America. That's not killing it by anybody's estimation.

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Speaker 4: That is a failure. And I don't actually blame Donald

677
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Speaker 4: Trump for getting elected twice. This is a five-time draft dodger.

678
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Speaker 4: He inspired an insurrection. His first term was an unmitigated disaster.

679
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Speaker 4: And he won, right? So I think that was our fault, actually,

680
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:21,550
Speaker 4: as a party. How did we lose to this guy?

681
00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:25,270
Speaker 4: So we have to go to voters and say, we're

682
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Speaker 4: sorry we've fallen short. And what we want to do

683
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Speaker 4: is we want to restart the conversation with you about

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Speaker 4: what you want your life to look like, what type

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Speaker 4: of leadership you want, what type of government you want.

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Speaker 4: And we're going to do this together. That's the first step.

687
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Speaker 4: The second step is having great candidates who are relentlessly focused.

688
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Speaker 4: on their district. That's the beauty of the house is

689
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,339
Speaker 4: they're small districts, 700,000 folks. So you're basically running for

690
00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:54,700
Speaker 4: mayor of your district, right? And you're focusing on the

691
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Speaker 4: federal grants, casework, the needs of the public schools, the irrigation.

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Speaker 1: Constituent services.

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Speaker 4: Constituent services. There's a nuts and bolts part of this

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Speaker 4: job that is so important and really impacts people's lives.

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Speaker 4: And you're focusing on those folks. And then you're just getting,

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Speaker 4: you're getting actually real people, right? Like this actually is

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Speaker 4: an art. Like let's not get the, the, the person,

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Speaker 4: you know, playing the politician of essential casting, right?

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Speaker 3: Because guess what?

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Speaker 4: Then they go on the campaign trail and everybody knows

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Speaker 4: that they're, they're playing politician of essential casting and no

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Speaker 4: one believes it.

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Speaker 3: All right.

704
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Speaker 4: So let's get real people that have done real things

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Speaker 4: that are part of the community. You have actually done

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Speaker 4: things out of politics that, that are running for, for

707
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Speaker 4: legitimate reasons, uh, in pure reasons. And these folks win.

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Speaker 4: So that's what we're doing. And, um, uh, we are,

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Speaker 4: we are expanding the battlefield. They're contracting. So what we,

710
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Speaker 4: But we know that what we're seeing in our expansion

711
00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:53,530
Speaker 4: is working because the Republicans are contracting, right? So they're

712
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Speaker 4: seeing the same things that we're seeing.

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Speaker 3: Right.

714
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Speaker 4: And then they're pulling money out of their frontline districts

715
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Speaker 4: and their marginal districts to bolster and defend deeper red

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Speaker 4: districts right now. So they're seeing it too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of amazing because they had so much

718
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Speaker 1: more money and now they're just trying to make it last. Right.

719
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Speaker 1: And because I think also people don't want to throw

720
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Speaker 1: good money after bad and they see which way the

721
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: wind is blowing. But I wonder if you were elected

722
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Speaker 1: in 2018 in that first Trump midterm, which I think

723
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Speaker 1: it was a very different midterm cycle. And one of

724
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Speaker 1: the ways that I think it's different, and this is

725
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Speaker 1: maybe unpopular of me, but I think there's many more

726
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,580
Speaker 1: double haters, right? Voters are mad, mad, mad. They feel poor.

727
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Speaker 1: They can't afford things they used to afford. I mean,

728
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Speaker 1: I see it. I see it. And I'm like, you know,

729
00:42:54,969 --> 00:42:58,870
Speaker 1: I go to the grocery store and strawberries are... I mean,

730
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Speaker 1: I don't think of myself as someone who is so

731
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Speaker 1: worried about the price of strawberries. And I was like,

732
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Speaker 1: oh my God, like this is jaw dropping. So clearly...

733
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Speaker 1: This is something we're all seeing. And so my question is, like,

734
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Speaker 1: you know, you have this opportunity. The corruption is pretty catastrophic.

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Speaker 1: Where are you on, like, what happens next? Because, like,

736
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Speaker 1: the Merit Garland route is going to end in, I mean,

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Speaker 1: in a Democratic Party that dissolves.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you're on judiciary, you're on armed services.

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Speaker 4: I'm on intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Intelligence, right, sorry.

742
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Speaker 4: Intelligence, yeah. So, all right, so here's my belief. I think,

743
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:52,350
Speaker 4: first of all, why I'm a Democrat. I came from

744
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:58,650
Speaker 4: a deeply conservative, working-class family. All of my family are Republicans.

745
00:43:59,290 --> 00:44:03,339
Speaker 4: Most of them are Trump supporters still, even now. Really?

746
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:06,460
Speaker 4: My focus groups are called Thanksgiving, right?

747
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: So.

748
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Speaker 4: You know, so how did I become a Democrat, right?

749
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Speaker 4: And I became a Democrat because I saw all folks

750
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Speaker 4: around me growing up doing everything that they were told

751
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Speaker 4: to achieve the American dream, fulfilling their part of the bargain,

752
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: their part of the social contract, and yet it wasn't

753
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Speaker 4: working for them. Couldn't buy homes, their businesses weren't working.

754
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,220
Speaker 4: They were doing everything they were told they were supposed

755
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: to do, and yet it wasn't working, right? And then

756
00:44:30,739 --> 00:44:33,540
Speaker 4: me and other working class kids were sent off to

757
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: war three times in Iraq and Afghanistan, right? And the

758
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:39,220
Speaker 4: working class kids did the fighting and dying. Working class

759
00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:41,860
Speaker 4: folks paid their taxes and paid for it. But the

760
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,529
Speaker 4: elite and the wealthy didn't do a damn thing. And

761
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Speaker 4: they got rich off of it, right? So guess what?

762
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Speaker 4: I also am angry and mad about that system and

763
00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:53,630
Speaker 4: feel like it was stacked and remains stacked against the

764
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:56,830
Speaker 4: working class in America. So that's the first recognition, that

765
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,460
Speaker 4: that anger is justified, that resentment is justified because it's

766
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 4: real and the working class have been uniquely screwed in

767
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Speaker 4: America and continue to be.

768
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Speaker 1: Right.

769
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:09,870
Speaker 4: And unless we're willing to tackle that seriously and both sides.

770
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:10,370
Speaker 3: Right.

771
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:14,980
Speaker 4: Because Americans, the vast majority of Americans recognize that the

772
00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:17,900
Speaker 4: whole system. Right. And both sides are complicit in it

773
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 4: to some degree. Right. And we can't go. This is

774
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Speaker 4: shocking to some Democrats. Actually, it's a soccer soccer to

775
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 4: some of my friends in kind of deep blue areas

776
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,420
Speaker 4: that live in bubbles. And I tell them that the

777
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:34,020
Speaker 4: vast majority of Americans in the heartland and the center

778
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,050
Speaker 4: of the country. where I'm from and grew up, look

779
00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:38,830
Speaker 4: at both sides the same. Yeah.

780
00:45:39,010 --> 00:45:39,210
Speaker 3: Right.

781
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:42,650
Speaker 4: It's all part of the same rigged system. Right. And

782
00:45:42,690 --> 00:45:45,689
Speaker 4: unless you realize that and are honest about it, then

783
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Speaker 4: we're going to keep on spinning our wheels and doing

784
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:51,219
Speaker 4: the same thing over and over again and with the

785
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:53,660
Speaker 4: same results. And that's not going to end well. So

786
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,259
Speaker 4: we have to recognize that and we have to be

787
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:58,380
Speaker 4: willing to aggressively take on corruption, call out our own

788
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,549
Speaker 4: people when we have to, and do it relentlessly. And

789
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Speaker 4: then the last piece is just strength, being strong and

790
00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:08,950
Speaker 4: having the competence of our convictions. You know, Americans actually

791
00:46:08,969 --> 00:46:11,450
Speaker 4: agree with a lot of democratic policies, not all of them.

792
00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:15,410
Speaker 4: I don't agree with every democratic policy, but generally agree

793
00:46:15,489 --> 00:46:18,730
Speaker 4: with the core of what we're trying to do. But

794
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:21,770
Speaker 4: they think we're weak and they think we're ineffective and

795
00:46:21,790 --> 00:46:24,220
Speaker 4: lack the confidence in our convictions. So damn it, let's

796
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:27,660
Speaker 4: be strong. Let's make our case to everybody and let's

797
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,590
Speaker 4: not shy away from accountability. Accountability, and oversight is a

798
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Speaker 4: part of the job. It's not our choice whether or

799
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:36,890
Speaker 4: not we get to do it. The Constitution says we

800
00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:38,690
Speaker 4: have to do it. So we're going to do it

801
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:39,890
Speaker 4: and we're going to be aggressive about it.

802
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Speaker 1: So what does that look like?

803
00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:44,370
Speaker 4: Well, it means conducting investigations that we have to conduct.

804
00:46:44,850 --> 00:46:47,969
Speaker 4: And none of this is about vengeance or settling the score.

805
00:46:48,010 --> 00:46:50,780
Speaker 4: I don't give a damn about it. What corruption is,

806
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:56,900
Speaker 4: is it's theft of my constituents' money. Well, my constituents,

807
00:46:57,820 --> 00:47:00,850
Speaker 4: people that I represent in Colorado, are losing their healthcare,

808
00:47:00,890 --> 00:47:04,450
Speaker 4: losing their farms, losing their homes. The money that should

809
00:47:04,469 --> 00:47:07,469
Speaker 4: be going into their pockets is going into the pockets

810
00:47:07,570 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 4: of Trump and his cronies and campaign donors, and I'm

811
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:14,140
Speaker 4: going after it, right? So pulling that money back, ending

812
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,100
Speaker 4: the corruption. And then head Seth, he's incompetent, he's ruining

813
00:47:18,140 --> 00:47:20,779
Speaker 4: our military and putting our service members at risk. I'm

814
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: going after that to put a stop to it, to

815
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,420
Speaker 4: protect our service members. So oversight, accountability, getting the information

816
00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:30,250
Speaker 4: we deserve, issuing subpoenas, that that is a part of

817
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:33,049
Speaker 4: the job and it's what our constituents are asking us

818
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Speaker 4: to do.

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Speaker 1: So will you impeach Pete Excess? Because obviously this guy's,

820
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Speaker 1: I mean, like you may not have the numbers for removal,

821
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Speaker 1: but you may, I mean, it strikes me like the

822
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:50,470
Speaker 1: guy is out of control. He's he, They may go

823
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Speaker 1: into Iran soon. They may wait till after the midterms.

824
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Speaker 1: They're talking about Cuba. I mean, you're not going to

825
00:47:57,370 --> 00:48:05,569
Speaker 1: have so many pieces of ammunition in your quiver, to

826
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:09,509
Speaker 1: mix many metaphors. You're not going to have that many moves.

827
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Speaker 1: So what's the move?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I get asked about impeachment all the time

829
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 4: because that's what everyone thinks about.

830
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Speaker 1: Well, because also because Mike Johnson sent the House home

831
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Speaker 1: because he thought that, I mean, this is not like,

832
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Speaker 1: you know, an insane possibility. I mean, he sent everyone

833
00:48:26,130 --> 00:48:29,250
Speaker 1: home because he thought Pete Hicks was going to get impeached.

834
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. So the word impeachment has taken on

835
00:48:33,969 --> 00:48:37,509
Speaker 4: this place in the American psyche because everybody knows about it.

836
00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:40,069
Speaker 4: It's been the most high profile thing. It's something that

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00:48:40,140 --> 00:48:42,819
Speaker 4: I know a lot about because not only did we

838
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:45,700
Speaker 4: impeach Trump twice in my time in Congress, but I

839
00:48:45,739 --> 00:48:49,100
Speaker 4: actually was one of the prosecutors. I prosecuted as an

840
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Speaker 4: impeachment manager the first Trump impeachment before the Senate during

841
00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:55,810
Speaker 4: my freshman term, actually. I was one of two freshmen

842
00:48:55,850 --> 00:48:58,029
Speaker 4: that were on the impeachment team. So I know how

843
00:48:58,050 --> 00:49:01,550
Speaker 4: it works deeply. But what I always point out is

844
00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:05,110
Speaker 4: that impeachment is a tool. Impeachment isn't a goal. It's

845
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:09,180
Speaker 4: not an end result. Impeachment is a tool to achieve

846
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Speaker 4: a goal. And it's one of many tools that Congress

847
00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:15,940
Speaker 4: has available. We can conduct hearings. We can issue subpoenas.

848
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Speaker 4: We can do oversight. We can pull information and make

849
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Speaker 4: it public. Impeachment is one. Censure is a tool, too.

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Speaker 4: So I'm less interested in the tool than I am

851
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Speaker 4: in what the goal is, what we're trying to achieve.

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Speaker 4: And the goal was to try to remove Trump from office.

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Speaker 4: We decided to use impeachment twice, and that didn't work.

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00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 3: Right.

855
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Speaker 4: So maybe impeachment is the right tool. Maybe it's not.

856
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Speaker 4: But I'm not going to become so focused on one

857
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Speaker 4: tool that I lose sight of what we're trying to achieve.

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Speaker 4: And what I want to achieve is to get Pete

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Speaker 4: Hegsett out of the Pentagon. Right. And to clean up

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Speaker 4: the Pentagon. So I will look at all of the

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Speaker 4: tools that are available to me to achieve that goal.

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Speaker 4: We'll lay them all out. I'll go to my Republican

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Speaker 4: friends and colleagues and we'll see what we can put together.

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Speaker 4: and what coalition we can assemble to get that result.

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Speaker 4: And then I will move forth vigorously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because Republican senators aren't unhappy with him either. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know that to be true, the reporting is. And

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Speaker 1: to get to that place already before the midterms.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not happy. But as is the case so often,

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Speaker 4: people aren't happy, but what are they willing to do?

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Speaker 4: That's different than what they're actually willing to do and

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Speaker 4: the vote they're willing to take. So the question for

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Speaker 4: me is, If they're unhappy and they want him gone

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Speaker 4: and they tell me that privately, then what are they

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Speaker 4: willing to do publicly to make that happen? And, you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe they won't. They're unwilling to take an impeachment vote,

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Speaker 4: but maybe they're willing to do something else. So that's

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Speaker 4: the conversation we're going to have to have after November.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Jason.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Molly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Great.

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Speaker 4: Great chatting.

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Speaker 1: Always.

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Speaker 3: And now your moment of suffering.

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Speaker 1: Jesse K.

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Speaker 5: So, Molly, you know who loves Mr. Trump? Anybody who

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Speaker 5: has a sports organization that's cozy up to. I'm thinking

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Speaker 5: the Dana Whites. And then we got Gianna Infantino probably

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Speaker 5: pronouncing that pretty badly because that's how it goes.

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Speaker 1: The FIFA. Who could have seen that the people who

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Speaker 1: created a peace prize for him might also be not legit?

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Speaker 5: So there's really good reporting here that they're helping Trump

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Speaker 5: profit even further off the presidency.

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Speaker 1: See, this reminds me of like low key for Trump

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Speaker 1: 1.0 grift, right? Renting space in Trump Tower. That feels

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Speaker 1: like Trump 1.0, like the kind of grift- The hotel. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like low key grift. We know it's wrong, but

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Speaker 1: it's not. I feel like what we're used to in

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Speaker 1: Trump 2.0 is like, he did a meme coin. He

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Speaker 1: earned $ 4 billion. This is more of the sort of subtle.

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Speaker 1: So FIFA signed a lease last year for $ 4 million,

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Speaker 1: a seven-year lease for the 17th floor suite in the

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Speaker 1: New York building, which is, so it's basically a bribe.

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Speaker 1: But it's not a bribe like the way, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: who could have seen that the organization that created a

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Speaker 1: fake peace prize for him would also be bribing him

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Speaker 1: by renting office space? I mean, not me. Like, it

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Speaker 1: just fits too well.

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Speaker 5: Who could have seen that the organization that overlooked some

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Speaker 5: of the greatest worker exploitation of our time would look

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Speaker 5: the other way? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Who could have seen that FIFA, basically, I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, next you're going to say bad things about

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Speaker 1: Dana White.

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Speaker 5: Never be.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Next you're going to say mean things about, yeah, RFK Jr.

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Speaker 1: not being a good husband.

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Speaker 4: No evidence of that.

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Speaker 5: No evidence.

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Speaker 1: No evidence.

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