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Speaker 4: Motherfucker.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize when I was I was having fun
Speaker 1: at googleing you, I didn't realize, like, didn't you break
Speaker 1: Jordan's ribs at.
Speaker 5: Nineteen years old?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: That because the way they promoted it, it was like
Speaker 1: it was recent.
Speaker 5: So this is when you was a kid, when.
Speaker 1: I was just in Chicago, just Chicago, so you wasn't
Speaker 1: signed to the Bulls yet.
Speaker 5: I just yet I signed, just signed to the Bulls.
Speaker 1: So this is a this is a practice game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, summertime, okay, So summertime.
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, and Jordan's tried to block you. So
Speaker 1: he was posting me up. Okay.
Speaker 4: If you remember when Jordan came back, he averaged twenty
Speaker 4: five that year, right, so before that I put Jordan
Speaker 4: down three months he was going he was her average
Speaker 4: third game Tony that year. If it wasn't for me
Speaker 4: breaking his ribs. Now they reported it, they said, yeah,
Speaker 4: so you know, I get home next day, I got
Speaker 4: drafted by Chicago. Right on the headlines one on test
Speaker 4: how to fight with Michael, Jordan touched him and broke
Speaker 4: his rib. So I'm sick. I don't even know what
Speaker 4: to do. I'm nineteen and I love Jordan's So then
Speaker 4: I didn't go to practice for the next two days.
Speaker 4: I was just like depressing. My agent called me Mark
Speaker 4: Bartleston at the time. He was like, you know, you
Speaker 4: gotta get to the workouse. Well, I said, you know,
Speaker 4: the media just said I broke Jordan ring and I
Speaker 4: don't even I can't even move out the bed. I'm
Speaker 4: just like sick. Anyway, Jordan called me two times in
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 1: He called you again after the fight. Let's let's just
Speaker 1: stay with the first one though, okay.
Speaker 4: He said, He said, hey, man, it's all right. You
Speaker 4: know you were just playing had the play was he
Speaker 4: was holding me. And the problem with Jordan when you
Speaker 4: let him get the ball, that's for your problems. So
Speaker 4: I'm denying him in the Summer League and he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm denying him this way. He's in front of me,
Speaker 4: holding me this way. So I had to move his
Speaker 4: on uh and and then my elbow called him in
Speaker 4: the ris. But I love Jordan y yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's dope. So I'm gonna tell you listen,
Speaker 1: I've seen you very I used to go to Queens
Speaker 1: Bridge with my friend named l J. You know l J.
Speaker 5: You don't know l J.
Speaker 1: He for me up the Pone building, Yeah, the Pone
Speaker 1: building because I went to school with him and I
Speaker 1: used to go out. So the first time I actually
Speaker 1: went when the Queens Bridge was with uh a dude
Speaker 1: for my hood name shot Meek and Laky and Lakey.
Speaker 1: They brought me to a place called the Terror Dome, right,
Speaker 1: and the Terrordome was the Terror Dome, right, just you
Speaker 1: know self a planneatory right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So I remember me you seeing you, me being out
Speaker 1: and I seeing you late night practicing with your pops
Speaker 1: early in the morning practicing pop Like I this is
Speaker 1: a case oh greatness. Like I didn't realize was watching
Speaker 1: how great this was was first off in the hood.
Speaker 1: They say that a lot of people don't have father figures.
Speaker 5: You had not only a father figure.
Speaker 1: I seen your father scream on drug dealers, bro, Like
Speaker 1: I never saw that before, like to get to y'all
Speaker 1: to practice.
Speaker 5: But I did think what was going through your mind
Speaker 5: because I've seen shoot like.
Speaker 1: Night and day, like on Twelfth Street, practicing, practicing, going
Speaker 1: hard was what was one now?
Speaker 4: I think like eight years old, my dad introduced me
Speaker 4: to basketball on Twelfth Street.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: You know sometimes you'll see the big guys playing, but
Speaker 4: you'll get a chance to just shoot. So when I
Speaker 4: was out there shooting, when you know, guys, older guys
Speaker 4: blocking my shot, just like you know, treating the kids
Speaker 4: in the fun with the kids. And my dad saw
Speaker 4: that I'm gonna let you expel, expend your energy playing hoops.
Speaker 4: But when I got older, it was just something trying
Speaker 4: to make it on the cut.
Speaker 1: You know everybody.
Speaker 4: You know that everybody's playing ball, but they don't know
Speaker 4: about our neighborhood.
Speaker 1: A lot of the ballers were.
Speaker 4: Hustlers, extremely intelligent ballers like high love you.
Speaker 5: Say Yami was the ball I didn't even know.
Speaker 1: That's like extremely Jammy just from the streets, rest in peace.
Speaker 4: Intelligent point guard. Wow, man, you get ask anybody. They
Speaker 4: played extremely intelligent.
Speaker 5: Twins Jamal and jam.
Speaker 7: Three great shooters, half big fundamentals. And we all learned
Speaker 7: from the same coaches. Well me Business Smith, Vincus Smith. Yea,
Speaker 7: we all learned the same coaches. But you know, some
Speaker 7: guys went their route and then I just stayed on
Speaker 7: the corn.
Speaker 1: Of course, one of one of my favorite things about
Speaker 1: you is I believe if after you won the game,
Speaker 1: or maybe this was during the press conference and they said, yo,
Speaker 1: what is your greatest player you ever played against. And
Speaker 1: you said, Mike Chatfield. I felt.
Speaker 4: To listen.
Speaker 1: So I used to play with Mike Chatfield and we
Speaker 1: was in a thing called d f Y. So and
Speaker 1: the team that I was on I was playing ball
Speaker 1: in d f Y.
Speaker 5: The team I was on sucked.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: We talked it was crackheads, dope bees, like we had
Speaker 1: the worst team. And then Mike Chatfield came to the jail.
Speaker 1: I had knew how Mike Chatfield was from the streets.
Speaker 1: I did all of my favor to get him on
Speaker 1: my side. And like, you can look at this guy,
Speaker 1: you can't even tell that he's a baller. But then
Speaker 1: if you look at his arms, he got long arms,
Speaker 1: and you ain't getting the ball from him, you're not stilling.
Speaker 1: When you said that, I was like, this is the
Speaker 1: craziest ship that I got to. I know he was
Speaker 1: expecting to sake Jordan and he said, Mike Chatfield.
Speaker 4: How I tried to embody the stuff that he taught me,
Speaker 4: because you know, Mike went to jail at sixteen, right right,
Speaker 4: I became jail.
Speaker 8: That's what.
Speaker 4: I became the best in the hood. When Mike went
Speaker 4: to jail.
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that, so it might be me thirty
Speaker 4: two to two in the res, right, I heard that
Speaker 4: and Street. Oh no, he's from Vernon. He's from Vernon, Okay,
Speaker 4: Michael and Vernon. I mean Mike was playing the men
Speaker 4: at twelve and thirteen. You know, at fourteen we were
Speaker 4: playing with always right. So so Mike was like one
Speaker 4: of those guys. And I actually put his name in
Speaker 4: my head the day play against Lebron James on Christmas
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine because he got he passed away
Speaker 4: around the holidays and I just wanted to. I always
Speaker 4: showed him love. I always showed him love. But Mike
Speaker 4: Chaff was one of those guys and Capone, I didn't hope.
Speaker 5: Before we get that.
Speaker 1: I did know Mike, Mike cap whoever did a chance
Speaker 1: to play professional or no? So okay.
Speaker 4: So when I was in Indiana in my prime, I
Speaker 4: took Mike to Indiana trying to get him back in shape.
Speaker 4: So I was in me. Mike, his brother Eric Chaft,
Speaker 4: Phil Grady Jesse from nas Block was also Saint John's
Speaker 4: guy Jahve Me who played at Saint Joe's. And it
Speaker 4: was a love. Okay, we were all out there because
Speaker 4: we was hooping in the pace at Alimo.
Speaker 1: Actually he got a low.
Speaker 4: Dribble too, yeah, and he was just all, who've been
Speaker 4: you know, we're drinking a gallon in the other day. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that takes a while, but it was fun
Speaker 4: to spend time with Mike, right, you know. And you
Speaker 4: knew he was in the street, but I was like,
Speaker 4: I got a different love.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too, And he was still knife but you
Speaker 5: saw you can see that he lost it right right,
Speaker 5: right right, But it was it was always when he.
Speaker 1: Came home from jail.
Speaker 4: This is he was twenty. I'm twenty, he was twenty five.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's when he came home because we was again,
Speaker 1: yeah he came, he came, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 1: thought that was so honorable you because you could have
Speaker 1: easily said Lebron. You could easily said uh uh, Jordans,
Speaker 1: you could have easily and you said Mike Chatfield. Mike
Speaker 1: is different.
Speaker 4: Either of these dudes would have been ready for Mike,
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, but but his heart different at different level. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he would he would have.
Speaker 1: Just found in the league, right, wow, Okay, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a brown A little bit. You take component want
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: Want to get yo.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Capone was nice. I played on capone team in PS
Speaker 4: one eleven. We had the green shirts. Havoc was on
Speaker 4: the Burgundy team. He had the Burgundy shirts.
Speaker 5: Havoc wasn't good though it was not. I haven't was
Speaker 5: the best on his take.
Speaker 1: Just play.
Speaker 4: Had it. And I remember because I was a kid,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I haven't had the
Speaker 4: Burgandy shirts. Kill a shot, to kill a shot. He
Speaker 4: was on the yellow team. He loved the yellow shirt.
Speaker 4: And then it was guys twelve. You know, twelve twelve
Speaker 4: had the red shirt, and so it's fourteen. You played
Speaker 4: other like four times. But in the All Star Game,
Speaker 4: Tom had sixty nine yo sixty nine yeah, yeah, left man.
Speaker 4: And I was watching it and I was a young kid,
Speaker 4: and I remember watching.
Speaker 1: It like dang, and that was it.
Speaker 4: Like you never seen Poem play. You see him playing.
Speaker 4: He might take a shot on the block. Yeah he
Speaker 4: I just come to yo, all I like one shot.
Speaker 1: Well being compoons and DFI the same place, me and
Speaker 1: cop On before Mike Caffield got there. Me and Capon
Speaker 1: had a pack every time he played each other he
Speaker 1: wouldn't d me, and I went and d him.
Speaker 5: So this is the last player the game, like, it's
Speaker 5: like tied up.
Speaker 1: Compone shot my eyes out, man. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, you're supposed to move to the side. He
Speaker 1: got right in front of me and shot the ball.
Speaker 1: I ain't got the game shot. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: some pou had a pack.
Speaker 4: Have you played with Dion Andrell?
Speaker 1: No from I'm from Jamaica, de from from your hed
Speaker 1: you're talking about l Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah Dean, This
Speaker 1: it's actually from Jamaica.
Speaker 5: I was from Vincess Smith.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was nice, yeah, nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got locked up with me and then I got
Speaker 1: where Mike Chatfield. That was crazy and like I said,
Speaker 1: I knew him.
Speaker 5: He was nice.
Speaker 1: So I cheated the whole jail. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: he's coming on my side, and he dusted everybody obviously
Speaker 1: in jail, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: All Right, So I'm bout through real quick.
Speaker 1: First off, you.
Speaker 5: Went to Saint Rita.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I played that.
Speaker 5: Okay, what is that?
Speaker 1: That is?
Speaker 5: That was Junior High or Junior High.
Speaker 4: Saint Riders is like when you're nine years old, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's c yo. Okay, and you stopped c Io right
Speaker 4: before you go to high school. Okay, that's your last.
Speaker 1: And that's like a capital school.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: It made a lot of players that was from New
Speaker 4: York and lou Sen de Karine. Anybody from New York
Speaker 4: went to WOW in Jersey. In Jersey too, who well.
Speaker 2: Kyrie for St. Patrick's he was, he was in St.
Speaker 2: Patrick's and a couple of them too, Michael Ki gil Christo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a willer in our life growing up.
Speaker 1: Wow, so boom. This is something that uh, I always
Speaker 1: think I had the wrong story. I always thought when
Speaker 1: you and Kobe played each other when you was on
Speaker 1: Houston and you played him hard, and I think you
Speaker 1: said to him you ain't ready for me, and he
Speaker 1: was like, I ain't what you mean, I ain't ready
Speaker 1: for you. Like y'all developed that certain amount of respect.
Speaker 1: But I always thought it was Kobe who called you.
Speaker 1: I found out it was doctor doctor Bus who called you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: doctor Bus and then you met together at the w Hotel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kobe would not call me to join his team.
Speaker 4: This story wrong.
Speaker 1: I always thought Kobe because right now, right you know,
Speaker 1: how like Lebron is uh taking this talent, taking his talent.
Speaker 1: So everyone is saying that Jalen Bruston it takes a
Speaker 1: call from Jaalen Brusten for him to come to the
Speaker 1: next like it would be one phone call. So I
Speaker 1: always thought it was player, the player. So you breaking
Speaker 1: it down like it was it was? It was it
Speaker 1: was mister dodtor Bus And yeah, I met at the
Speaker 1: w Hotel after the SLS, Butch met at the So
Speaker 1: describe to me how this happens. Because the Lakers just
Speaker 1: beat y'all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just beat I think, yeah, Ming broke's foot
Speaker 4: and then they beat us right right.
Speaker 5: And then so you you you sit down with him.
Speaker 1: And then because because your agent calls you first, right,
Speaker 1: your agent said that Lakers.
Speaker 5: Wants to go to speak to you, and you're like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck?
Speaker 1: You're kind of mad at them, a little bit like
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to get done.
Speaker 1: So how is this conversation like in person with doctor Boss?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, so I was at the SLS, I
Speaker 4: was foul Monday, I was rid.
Speaker 1: Okay with you, and then we was in the car
Speaker 1: and when Nick Korn.
Speaker 4: Was there, we was just leaving. I say, yo, we
Speaker 4: got to pull over right now. Okay to my agent
Speaker 4: on the line, which David Bauman, and he hit me up.
Speaker 4: He's like, he's like, hey, the Lakers want you.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Keep in mind, we just went the walk and we
Speaker 4: come from arrow where we're not We're not to play
Speaker 4: for the Lakers. You you're staying with your team. You
Speaker 4: don't care if you want a title or not. So
Speaker 4: when so when they said that, I was like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck do they want?
Speaker 1: Right? And these niggas like you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm mean? What?
Speaker 4: And then he said now he went you on your team,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh. Immediately I became a fan and
Speaker 4: things started to runn through my head. Phil Jackson, my favorite,
Speaker 4: my favorite coach, O l O was there. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is crazy.
Speaker 1: I said, played together as kids, kid, this is this
Speaker 1: is this is a very fairy tale story, like wow,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: And then I'm just like, you know, me and Lamar,
Speaker 4: me and Lamar elt and we shared m v p
Speaker 4: s and a you Lamar get it, I'll get it,
Speaker 4: Eltin and get it and it go just like that,
Speaker 4: you know, And then Kobe's there, who me? I love Kobe,
Speaker 4: you know, what I mean, no matter, And I told him, Yo,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go holler at you. I'm not gonna like
Speaker 4: you in the game, but yo, I admire you like
Speaker 4: I don't love Kobe. So so when I was all
Speaker 4: going through my head, I'm like, well, I got a
Speaker 4: chance to play against a team that's just like the Bulls,
Speaker 4: like you got Phil Jackson was there, Kobe, that's m J.
Speaker 4: You got Lamar, that's cool, coach, you got me. I'm
Speaker 4: robbing a little bit better offensive player, a lot better. Sorry,
Speaker 4: He's all and I was just like it was just
Speaker 4: so real. And then the next day Bus called me
Speaker 4: that morning he said, doctor Bus the Bus, and then
Speaker 4: we had we had a breakfast and he was like, listen,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be able to pay you what you're worth,
Speaker 4: right think, But he said I want you here. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, I said you telling me that whatever, we're
Speaker 4: good because you got to think about it. You averaging
Speaker 4: twenty five, you know in a semi final, almost beat
Speaker 4: the Lakers. I want a championship in your prime. Those
Speaker 4: those numbers and that I was twenty so numbers at
Speaker 4: that time. It's like, you know, twelve years you know, eleven, ten, twelve,
Speaker 4: whatever the number was at that time. Now it's for X,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I was like, now whatever,
Speaker 4: because my life is easy anyway.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I don't wear Jerry I.
Speaker 1: Did, but my life is so simple.
Speaker 4: I lived in Indiana. I'm like, I'll take that.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is easy in l A.
Speaker 1: He just me in l A.
Speaker 4: I don't even need to leave, all right. I said
Speaker 4: yes right that night to the club.
Speaker 1: So y'all made that deal right then and there at breakfast?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And okay, wow, yeah right then and there doctor bus
Speaker 5: So all right.
Speaker 1: So I'm asking this out of here. Do you know
Speaker 1: you and Kobe just went at it?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Do you feel obligated to tell him like.
Speaker 1: Yo, I'm now or or was it accepted that practice
Speaker 1: or something like that? How did how did this news
Speaker 1: come across Kobe? Or did Kobe know already?
Speaker 4: I got to imagine they told him they didn't tell them? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and Kobe Minka. I know Kobe, like he's like,
Speaker 4: all right, cool, if you get it done or not,
Speaker 4: Kobe won't give him ship, all right, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like try and do it and me and
Speaker 4: and we had a relationship because we used to be
Speaker 4: talked a little bit. But back then you don't talk
Speaker 4: to your opponent. You don't go on the lunch, you
Speaker 4: ain't doing stuff, you know what I mean. But we
Speaker 4: did like give each other, you know, and then I
Speaker 4: would get the ball, steal a ball every now and
Speaker 4: then he'd like damn. And so we we grow respect
Speaker 4: like that. But yeah, it was dope. He might have
Speaker 4: called me after something like that, maybe briefly like he
Speaker 4: did he said, you know, don't bring that silly ship ahead.
Speaker 1: But that what he wanted you ball, because it was
Speaker 1: like it was like I think I've seen you on
Speaker 1: Brian Scott Show and one of the guys was like this,
Speaker 1: this was the perfect piece that the Lakers was missing.
Speaker 5: And I believe that to be true. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I believe that to be true because like Kobe is
Speaker 1: a doll. I'm not saying that other people wasn't. Dogs
Speaker 1: Lamar was a doll. But you needed that front line
Speaker 1: all ship, and I believe you replaced that. Do you
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at when I played against him,
Speaker 4: it was one dribble bucket. If you look at the
Speaker 4: seriousness on YouTube, right, and you'll see like you won't
Speaker 4: see a lot of this, right. And when what you'll
Speaker 4: see on the Lakers defense when I get the ball,
Speaker 4: you'll see everybody head turn my direction right because you
Speaker 4: can't keep me from getting to the basket. You won't
Speaker 4: see hody guarding me that suit right, right, you understand,
Speaker 4: right right, because because I'm too sixty to sixty five
Speaker 4: forward right, So everybody too small, right, They're all too small.
Speaker 4: They put a power forward on me. He too small,
Speaker 4: right right, put the sin on me. He too small,
Speaker 4: And I'll beg with them just to show them they're
Speaker 4: too small.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not even gonna take you out,
Speaker 4: or I can take him out and I can shoot.
Speaker 4: So I was guy was I was torching them, and
Speaker 4: I was torching them.
Speaker 5: So so let me ask you.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people when they get to Philip Jackson,
Speaker 1: they have problems with what is the triangle office?
Speaker 5: Or does the trifle offense?
Speaker 1: Okay, people actually said it's hard to Actually, you got
Speaker 1: to be smart. So for a person that like, like
Speaker 1: a person like me, I just played you know, like
Speaker 1: you know Kenyanison tournaments and like you know, and cony
Speaker 1: like you know, like regular ships. Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean for a person like me, can you to
Speaker 1: people with the triangle.
Speaker 4: Is it's all angles? So it's a thousand and one options.
Speaker 4: There is no play calling and you read it. So
Speaker 4: it's like when you move, I move, Okay, you know,
Speaker 4: if the ball moving, you move, it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 4: initiate a different format.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Kobe keeping he didn't run a triangle a lot. He
Speaker 4: went off on his own. So we always have to
Speaker 4: keep a triangle. We always have to keep a triangle
Speaker 4: to triangle, you know. Around Kobe's movement he played Iso,
Speaker 4: he was iceoing. But we're still doing the triangle. So
Speaker 4: everybody's still moving according to it. And when they when
Speaker 4: they took it to New York, you can see guys
Speaker 4: are stressed out.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 4: Guy, it was like like they got to get this
Speaker 4: out of here. And I picked it up in a month.
Speaker 4: But you got to understand, I was also architecture, so
Speaker 4: you're telling me it's angles. So a month you said
Speaker 4: I got this in the month. Oh wow, whole ship.
Speaker 1: How people who still don't get it, they still don't
Speaker 1: get it because they actually said it's like it's like.
Speaker 4: Like like my math test and yeah you gotta Yeah,
Speaker 4: it takes about two years. It takes about two years
Speaker 4: to learn the triangle, like to really adapt it. Wow,
Speaker 4: But if you would assist him, like Golden the Warriors,
Speaker 4: they're running pieces of the triangle. They running pieces of
Speaker 4: the triangle. But they were together for he long, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So when they run in the
Speaker 4: triangle now it starts ninety and it starts ninety four feet,
Speaker 4: meaning like when you take the ball out after somebody scored. Nowadays,
Speaker 4: that's when the triangle starts. Back in the day, just
Speaker 4: started after half court And is.
Speaker 1: That some Phil Jackson and Ship or all the other
Speaker 1: teams are running too.
Speaker 4: His text winner text Winner Phil Jackson started with texts right,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And then and then Phil
Speaker 4: took it to the next level, and then Steve Kirk
Speaker 4: came from that, and then Steve Kerr goes to the Warriors,
Speaker 4: I mean to the Spurs. So now he's getting Popovich
Speaker 4: and Phil Jackson. He's bringing that to the Warriors and
Speaker 4: it works. It's really hard to lose against them.
Speaker 1: Is Phil Jackson the hardest coach you have to play for? Nah?
Speaker 1: He's easy man.
Speaker 4: He's like not like for example, Rick Adelman, Rick Alman
Speaker 4: on a practice day. Times you're gonna you'll be in
Speaker 4: and out in forty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard you say. It's like twenty minutes shootout Man,
Speaker 1: thirty minute.
Speaker 4: Jackson is an hour forty five minutes consistently. But it's
Speaker 4: not hard. He's not screaming at you, where some coaches
Speaker 4: it take them too long to get the point across.
Speaker 4: So you'll beat it for three and a half hours,
Speaker 4: and he's like, dude, we know this shit.
Speaker 11: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like move on?
Speaker 1: And did he he was he the first one to
Speaker 1: tell you teach you to meditate?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Phil Jackson, He's probably reason I changed my name, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm Phil Jackson's I mean, I love him because you're
Speaker 4: going to the we'll get in it, we'll get into
Speaker 4: a practice, or we'll lose a game something like that,
Speaker 4: one of those scenarios and then you know, Kobe, maybe
Speaker 4: he'd probably upset you got you got all these egos.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: In the first time I snow a sage in the
Speaker 4: locker room, I thought it was he was we right,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I see Phil Jackson he's with the Kobe locker.
Speaker 4: He was like, went to buying them block up. You
Speaker 4: got to get the demons out. Were meditating to all
Speaker 4: lights off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm about to say I heard you say that
Speaker 1: too as well, Like he would really turn all the
Speaker 1: lights off.
Speaker 4: He turned all the lights off, and he wants you
Speaker 4: to like block out the sound. You know that white noise.
Speaker 4: You didn't have a hit. He's trying to get you
Speaker 4: to block out all the sound. Ideally you breathe at
Speaker 4: the same pace. Ideally you breathe at the same pace.
Speaker 4: And it's just great man, And he's helping you cause
Speaker 4: you in La La is distracting, right, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 1: And you you're the show in LA.
Speaker 4: So he's like making sure we focus and when you
Speaker 4: leave practice, like don't get in trouble, take care of
Speaker 4: your body, and come back to practice as a team,
Speaker 4: not like your own ego. You know, he was really
Speaker 4: so for me. It helped me because I just come
Speaker 4: from averaging twenty five with the Rockets and now I'm
Speaker 4: averaging seven. I'm only twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Role player.
Speaker 4: Now I'm a role player, and he helped me like
Speaker 4: believe in that role. And then it took. It took
Speaker 4: a while, but we got to do right.
Speaker 11: Okay.
Speaker 1: You said earlier that Jordan called you twice. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: time was the brawl.
Speaker 11: Second time that call.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, So you know the brawl happened, I
Speaker 4: was super depressed. I was like, damn, like I didn't
Speaker 4: messed everything up.
Speaker 1: He was depressed when he broke his ribs to it,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 4: Definitely depressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I'm a Jordan fan, like and then so then Jordan
Speaker 4: would he hit me up after the brawl. This is
Speaker 4: like a month and a half after and then he
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I spoke to mister Stearns. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he said, I think you're gonna be back in March.
Speaker 4: So you know you had that from him.
Speaker 1: Jay, you crazy?
Speaker 4: All right, Cool, we're gonna get in the playoffs. We
Speaker 4: the best team in the league. Cool, I'll be ready.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't no March. They said, like you could go,
Speaker 4: it's like a visit in jail. I guess, hey, your
Speaker 4: wife can come now and she gotta leave now whatever.
Speaker 4: Like they said, you can go to the playoff game,
Speaker 4: but you got to exit. So I was able to
Speaker 4: go to the game. They are afforded me to the
Speaker 4: court to watch Reggie Miller's last game because they was
Speaker 4: like Reggie wanted me there. And then once that was over, they.
Speaker 1: Excorted me out, Wow, you didn't play, You couldn't play.
Speaker 4: You just watched the game, Reggie's last regular season game.
Speaker 4: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: Now, I know this is a what if question?
Speaker 1: Uh, but if because I heard you say, and I
Speaker 1: heard you say this multiple times that the Ben Wallers
Speaker 1: foul that you you did wasn't a tough foul.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like that. I heard you say that.
Speaker 1: Yes, so let me just imagine something for one second.
Speaker 1: You don't file Ben Willace. Y'all, don't get into this argument.
Speaker 1: Does the Pacers win that championship this day that year?
Speaker 4: But Robert already said no, oh ship, he told me
Speaker 4: that save five years ago. But rober is my guy,
Speaker 4: is my guy. And the only TI gonna say, Robert
Speaker 4: you my guy? Right, But the only t I gona say,
Speaker 4: I wanna tell us. So Roberts says no. He's a
Speaker 4: seven time champion, all right, he has the right to
Speaker 4: say no. But what I what I would say is,
Speaker 4: if you watch the playoffs against the Sacramento Kings and
Speaker 4: the spurs, you'll see a great defender, and who is
Speaker 4: the defriend over there the spurs right now.
Speaker 1: That people two thousand.
Speaker 4: And five, Who is the best to wing the friend
Speaker 4: outside of me in the league?
Speaker 11: Big question going? All right, cool, you're going.
Speaker 4: You'll see him null and void on the block light
Speaker 4: work right. Then you'll see nobody else is everybody's nulling
Speaker 4: void because they're too small. These guys are way too small.
Speaker 4: And then you'll see like you know, bigger guys like hey,
Speaker 4: you small forward. You go go out there power forward
Speaker 4: because we got to put the other power forward on me.
Speaker 4: And then you will see work. So now you go
Speaker 4: back to you know that, yeah for sure, Like I
Speaker 4: can't because when you look at those stats.
Speaker 1: If you go on YouTube, when you look at the
Speaker 1: year I played.
Speaker 4: Non games, right, and if you look at how look
Speaker 4: at how easy it was for me to score, right,
Speaker 4: you're gonna see one dribble bucket. You ain't gonna see
Speaker 4: more than that. I was at twenty five points. Again,
Speaker 4: it ain't take another jewel because once I see an angle,
Speaker 4: if you wrapped up, you can't recover. I take that jewel.
Speaker 1: I'm cooking.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm strong and like a shoot. Right, So
Speaker 4: you know, so I think that, Yeah, it's like a
Speaker 4: water shular thinking, right, and but you know what, sometimes
Speaker 4: that's your life. Your life is water shular. Like if
Speaker 4: you look at Stephen Curry, you know he had the
Speaker 4: stats to prove it, like, but say, the numbers don't lie,
Speaker 4: Like what his numbers don't lie? I got things I
Speaker 4: could dream about. And guess what I'm okay with that?
Speaker 1: Right? Well? We was we was cooking, right, that's for sure. Right.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was too harsh of a punishment
Speaker 1: because I think it's rumored that you had you had
Speaker 1: the worst punishment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh in NBA history. You do you think that
Speaker 5: was fair?
Speaker 4: Look, I don't think it was fair, but they had
Speaker 4: to do it, okay. Yeah, for example, not even an example.
Speaker 4: I was getting into so much trouble, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, things people don't know about, you know.
Speaker 10: What I mean.
Speaker 11: I was getting in trouble, man.
Speaker 4: I was just like because like I was just coming
Speaker 4: out the league. My brother just went to jail, Wally
Speaker 4: when I was going to Saint John's soon I was
Speaker 4: at seventeen. I expected to go through this journey with
Speaker 4: him because my brother, like I don't have nobody else
Speaker 4: I'm talking to about this.
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything else about I'm not a street
Speaker 4: I'm a street smoke guy, but in a way I
Speaker 4: am in the way I'm not. So he goes to jail.
Speaker 4: Then I have my babies, and then you're making a
Speaker 4: little money. So now alcohol coming to play because you're
Speaker 4: out party. But you don't realize that alcohol is depressing,
Speaker 4: Like you don't realize you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: you're drinking honey on top of trying to take it.
Speaker 4: I'm a dad at sixteen, and I was a good dad,
Speaker 4: like i'm with my kids, but I'm a dad at sixteen,
Speaker 4: so all that stuff, you know, you take it out
Speaker 4: on your team, and you know, you go to work
Speaker 4: and whatever you're happen at whole, you take it out
Speaker 4: for your colleague. Yeah, you ain't messing with somebody today.
Speaker 4: That happens in the business, right, And that's what I
Speaker 4: was doing. And so then and then take it whatever
Speaker 4: happened I practice home. But then you know, now you're
Speaker 4: making mistakes, you know. And then I was telling Himen,
Speaker 4: I was hearing you up. I guess earlier in the
Speaker 4: year you have, you know, can when you're looking up
Speaker 4: to the people in the street, right, it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't fuck you know what I mean, I don't need
Speaker 4: this ship. And that's that.
Speaker 1: That's that.
Speaker 4: That's the crazy mindset when you work hard to make
Speaker 4: something but you don't mind losing it, all right, So
Speaker 4: then now it just becomes like a part of you,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I was getting in
Speaker 4: trouble the Bulls. When the Bulls traded me to Indiana.
Speaker 4: Bill carright came to my room. He was like meta,
Speaker 4: he said, can you please stop.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: So you come to my room, he said, and he
Speaker 4: talked to me about a half hour. I love coach Bill.
Speaker 4: He was like, they ready to get rid of you
Speaker 4: right now. But he said, okay, okay. Before I went
Speaker 4: to the Paces, and then I said okay, okay, Bill
Speaker 4: carr Right, then I did something else, got in trouble,
Speaker 4: and then they shipped me out of there. So I
Speaker 4: can't I say all that because I don't want to
Speaker 4: act like it's all a fault, even though the suspension
Speaker 4: was too harsh.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So then after the Paces, you go
Speaker 1: to Sacramento. Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong. I think
Speaker 1: sack Town embraced you. And it was for me outside
Speaker 1: looking at and inside of looking out that I started
Speaker 1: to see you smile again a little bit like like
Speaker 1: like I see you smile again when you went to
Speaker 1: from from from sacrament I believe Sacramento and then Houston.
Speaker 5: But was was that something that like being in Indiana?
Speaker 1: Was that something that you had to like get get
Speaker 1: out of your system? And there was more you wanting
Speaker 1: to leave Indiana because of what was it? I'm as well.
Speaker 4: The crazy thing was like, so two things happened in Indiana.
Speaker 4: I tried to put in my retirement of papers, right,
Speaker 4: so right before the brawl, Oh yeah, I called the
Speaker 4: league office. He shout out to the league. I'm tell
Speaker 4: you stories. I'm got a great relationship with the league now.
Speaker 4: But I called a league office, right and I say
Speaker 4: I'm retiring because I was stressed at I'd rather be
Speaker 4: home with queens Bridge than be this stress.
Speaker 1: I'm happy in Queen's Bridge. So then so then they
Speaker 1: called me.
Speaker 4: And like they was like, nah, were not because it's
Speaker 4: really simple. I want to retire, I need the paper,
Speaker 4: I need the papers, right, But they were.
Speaker 11: Like, you know, hold on why right, Wow, go ahead?
Speaker 4: It was like why And then I got a call
Speaker 4: from Crystal to one of my good friends, Christian, and
Speaker 4: she was like, hold on, think about it. I said, Noah,
Speaker 4: I need these papers now. After after I heard them out,
Speaker 4: I said, nah, send me those papers. And then I
Speaker 4: talked to my wife. I said, Okay, I'm gonna make
Speaker 4: it through. But I was stressed out. My grandma just
Speaker 4: passed away that year, and then the bro happened. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: I wish I would retire because what I told him
Speaker 4: was I'm retired this year. I keep the money and
Speaker 4: I'll come back next year, but I need a year
Speaker 4: because I have my I have my children, I'm trying
Speaker 4: to get my house set, and I'm like, I'm away
Speaker 4: so much, like I can't.
Speaker 5: Just don't have nothing to do with rapper this time.
Speaker 4: I mean I was wrapping that Nature wrote, so I
Speaker 4: already started rapping. I'm inspired by you.
Speaker 1: You heard.
Speaker 4: Eat money Bags.
Speaker 5: That's crazy, Like you know, I'm You're.
Speaker 4: At Cleveland, like you want to be like like Noah
Speaker 4: showing to be like all these guys. I was already
Speaker 4: rapping at that time. People didn't understand why, because these guys.
Speaker 4: I will come to these guys, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But but I forgot where I was going.
Speaker 1: But you've meeting that time, yea.
Speaker 12: And Sat.
Speaker 4: I get the SAT and I tell coach Adam and
Speaker 4: r I p coach Autum and he passed away. I
Speaker 4: tell coach at him and I said, listen, I'm trying
Speaker 4: to attire, all right, I don't. I said, I need
Speaker 4: your help. I said, I need you not to start me.
Speaker 1: When that's the coach that said, no, I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: you more now. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: I was like, I need you not to start me.
Speaker 4: I said, please keep me on the end of the bench.
Speaker 4: And I'm a chair. But I don't want the media
Speaker 4: to say, oh now, mediworld pieces coming around the test
Speaker 4: coming sack the middle, causing problems. I said, you can
Speaker 4: keep it under the bench, then I can like he's
Speaker 4: out of here. And he was like nope, he said,
Speaker 4: and they keep him out. When I got there in January,
Speaker 4: they was in the last place in the west.
Speaker 1: Wow, and the west is a toper west to in
Speaker 1: the east.
Speaker 4: At this time, Yes, he said, We're gonna go as
Speaker 4: far as you take me. So we had another half
Speaker 4: hour conversation. I come out the next day, I say
Speaker 4: we're going to the playoffs. Media is like hell no,
Speaker 4: hell now it's all documented, Like now y'all hit going
Speaker 4: to the playoff.
Speaker 1: They left.
Speaker 4: And keep in mind I was two hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: three pounds, so my first game in Boston, I was
Speaker 4: two seventy three. Wow, and I was depressed. I went
Speaker 4: from two forty eight two fifty five hours and then
Speaker 4: so it took me a while to get work back
Speaker 4: into shape. But we was Kenny Smith, so I was
Speaker 4: the second half MVP. Like you said, the best record,
Speaker 4: we had the best record in the league. I think
Speaker 4: since I got there, I think we had the best
Speaker 4: record in the league. I got there, and we almost
Speaker 4: we dispersed the first World championship. But you know, but
Speaker 4: Rick Adelman, Yeah for sure, he got me back on track.
Speaker 5: Are you the only.
Speaker 1: Championship basketball player from Queensbridge or there's another?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: Do I know Kenny Smith is the only one from left?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well Vernon flemm is the only Olympian Olympian Oh okay, wow,
Speaker 7: you know Vern's from my block.
Speaker 4: He has a baby by his his cousin got a
Speaker 4: baby by my cousin Aaron.
Speaker 5: He coached you at one time right now in Indiana. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I was playing for Vernon Fleming and he didn't come
Speaker 4: back to the hood as much as I came back.
Speaker 4: And you would hear a certain things, you know, people chatter,
Speaker 4: you might heard things about you, yeah, anything, they they
Speaker 4: changed and about everybody. Because I was like all the
Speaker 4: young dude, I got something listitary everybody plain about everybody,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But but Vernon was that guy,
Speaker 4: and then I was. Now I should have been an
Speaker 4: Olympia but because of the bro ain't no defensive player
Speaker 4: of the Year the year of the Olympia. Yeah, not
Speaker 4: going to but so they kept me out that you know.
Speaker 4: But but yeah I'm the only champion.
Speaker 1: Now, what's the owners of the Sacramento Maloose? You have
Speaker 1: to Queen's Bridge with no security. I love these guys
Speaker 1: have a billionaires correct at the time they was.
Speaker 4: The real estate crash in two thousand and eight. Heard
Speaker 4: them and now they back up.
Speaker 1: Okay, so all right, they're surpribed you. You were inviting
Speaker 1: them to. This is one of the wildest but one
Speaker 1: of the most funniest projects in the world and.
Speaker 5: It's the biggest.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest.
Speaker 5: So you're surpribed, you inviting them, Like, how did this go?
Speaker 4: Well? These guys are incredible, probably some of the best
Speaker 4: owners I had.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, because you out with them, they're coming out too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you out.
Speaker 4: You know, we all in the club. We are together.
Speaker 1: So I said, hey, y'all want.
Speaker 4: To come to the Hood and Gavin and then Joe
Speaker 4: was like yeah. I said, all right, cool, and they
Speaker 4: show up with our security. I'm like, you guys, don't secret.
Speaker 4: So we go to the Queen's Bridge. We just hang out.
Speaker 1: We're drinking with a park in the hood. Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't go on the dime het Okay, I'm from.
Speaker 5: T Street, but I always.
Speaker 4: And then then we went up the Kingdome.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Crazy, So me and Kingdom they got right now, Kingdom
Speaker 4: taking two separate. Kingdom is the best tournament in New
Speaker 4: York ever. Oh wow, Rutgers got the Kingdom? Is that thing?
Speaker 11: Okay?
Speaker 4: A Kingdome dark is coming up over the last couple years.
Speaker 4: Kingdom is like, so, so I bring them the Kingdome
Speaker 4: And it's crazy that you just got out of prison.
Speaker 1: That day.
Speaker 4: He had fifty seven on me. Honestly, the game was
Speaker 4: lit me and him getting into it, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And then the malose is like drinking nutcrackers.
Speaker 1: In the stands. They got to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 4: I'm like, ain't no potty. They go up to somebody's crib.
Speaker 4: The maloose used the bathroom in the hood, and they
Speaker 4: start throwing money. They start throwing money, and you know
Speaker 4: the niggas like, yo, who throwing money on me?
Speaker 1: Like I'm a stripper. They look back kingo okay, king okay,
Speaker 1: and the Delicious they just haven't.
Speaker 4: And then there was they got a little altercation like sorry,
Speaker 4: my own They don't mean no harm.
Speaker 11: They haven't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they shut out to these That just makes
Speaker 1: a book. They were let off those nut crackers. The
Speaker 1: fact that they went to the hood that didn't win
Speaker 1: to because Kingdoms is uptown.
Speaker 4: Right uptown? Okay?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, great tournament.
Speaker 1: And oh man, I gotta big them up. That's security
Speaker 1: though they definitely should have. Yeah I got and uh and.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about.
Speaker 1: The league that you're coaching right now, because they didn't
Speaker 1: they make history this.
Speaker 4: Year girls, Yeah, okay, so over the last seven years,
Speaker 4: well actually during my NBA career. My last couple of seasons,
Speaker 4: I was coaching Palace his girls high school. So I
Speaker 4: would leave my Laker practice to go to Parli States
Speaker 4: and coach the girls. This coach was like, his name
Speaker 4: is coach Terrino Johnson. He was like, yo, you want
Speaker 4: to come coach. I said, yeah, I want, I want
Speaker 4: to coach. I might as well get started. So he
Speaker 4: introduced me and he got the job at cal State.
Speaker 4: He left high school with cal State and I went
Speaker 4: with him. So I've been there for seven for seven years.
Speaker 4: And when we got there, I mean it's Division two,
Speaker 4: so here's no budget. I mean, girls is in school
Speaker 4: and they might him to practice depending on what school
Speaker 4: you at. Wow, cal State was in. It started in
Speaker 4: nineteen forty seven. They never won anything. We get there,
Speaker 4: you know, and then so anyway, seven years later we
Speaker 4: had taped Division two program. We won the CCA Tournament
Speaker 4: for her first time in history.
Speaker 1: So we got out.
Speaker 4: This is last year or this year we stuck. We
Speaker 4: got division We play against Division one and we beat
Speaker 4: a few Division ones so we could keepete with a
Speaker 4: lot of Division ones, not the top ones. It's not
Speaker 4: like you know, the big USC those ones is a
Speaker 4: little bit difficult. But this year it's different. This year
Speaker 4: we different for sure. And then we had a first
Speaker 4: ever Player of the Year, so we got a Player
Speaker 4: of the Year. So yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of fun. I love coaching women.
Speaker 1: If the Knicks was a call you, let's say we
Speaker 1: need an assistant, would you take an assistant? Joe I
Speaker 1: tried to get their head coaching job last year.
Speaker 4: I was I made a lot of noise.
Speaker 5: I think you told me that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm using the inside of a mixture right now.
Speaker 4: I made a lot of noise. I was no representation.
Speaker 1: That would have been dope. Hold on, this is to
Speaker 1: think about coaches. Then this this year why they won.
Speaker 4: Well, the reason so last year I was making a push.
Speaker 4: Now keep in mind, I'm not represented by anybody. I
Speaker 4: got my own stuff. So the politics on that side
Speaker 4: is like they know who they want because they don't
Speaker 4: know what I'm doing. But there's also coaches that don't
Speaker 4: have no experience like I got that get those jobs.
Speaker 4: So but the nick job what I saw is this
Speaker 4: when Jalen Person came to New York and it is
Speaker 4: a clip going around. Okay, we're people are like, now
Speaker 4: it's not gonna work, not gonna work.
Speaker 1: I was like, hell, no, this is gonna work. You
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I was with one of the people. I'm sorry, Jay,
Speaker 1: that was one of the people that I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the fix. And so until I see
Speaker 1: him play in the NIXT uniform and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this kid is kind of kind of good. And I
Speaker 1: didn't see it at first.
Speaker 4: He said have you seen him in Dallas? We would
Speaker 4: have been like wow, okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So so when he when he got there, I'm like wow.
Speaker 4: And then I didn't think the job was gonna open.
Speaker 4: I was in Canada, where I live, and I spoke
Speaker 4: to your future.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And I was in Canada and when I seen coach
Speaker 4: Timms got fired, like oh, I got to get on
Speaker 4: my job. And I got a tweet because this thing
Speaker 4: happened fast. When when when somebody get fired, someone's usually.
Speaker 5: Hired, right, you know what I mean? So you tried
Speaker 5: to get that highed.
Speaker 4: I tried to get in. So I started a tweet
Speaker 4: talk about it, and I was gaining the momentum amongst
Speaker 4: the New York Is and and then the reason why
Speaker 4: I wanted that job because of Jail and Brunts.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I gotta I keep, I keep I
Speaker 1: keep thinking, I keep saying this because so I got
Speaker 1: I'm asking you the same question twice.
Speaker 4: But I loved it.
Speaker 1: But I was it Jayleen Bruston or was the squad?
Speaker 1: Because because what was my man?
Speaker 4: Heart?
Speaker 5: Was Heart there already?
Speaker 4: Hart was there?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, cool? So all right, and let me
Speaker 1: ask you this question, because you were basketball experienced, right,
Speaker 1: did you think there's gonna win the Chip? Though?
Speaker 4: I thought, with me they would have won the Chips.
Speaker 4: And this is before Mike Ground, before they won a Chi.
Speaker 4: I thought, I was, you know, I would help them
Speaker 4: win the Chip and because of Jail and Brunson. And
Speaker 4: then they had Cat and they got the other pieces,
Speaker 4: and that's what that's what I felt at the time.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have Cat in the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season though, right, I think came in later this year.
Speaker 5: This you're talking about last year, I think he was.
Speaker 4: There already, but you know, Jail and Bruns and I
Speaker 4: saw us have the game and I saw how he
Speaker 4: playing if you watch him in Dallas.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh shit, I got job.
Speaker 4: You only get one shot at certain things. So I said,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go for it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And and then I was surprised that Mike Brown got
Speaker 4: the job.
Speaker 1: I thought they was looking at other people, you know.
Speaker 1: So I love his story and I found out his
Speaker 1: story is That's what I was really sold. Like when
Speaker 1: I found out his father is I believe the assistant coach,
Speaker 1: mister Yeah. And I found out that actually Jayleen, the
Speaker 1: son was at the next game when he lost Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's like the Leo Messy story right now,
Speaker 1: It's like the soccer story like when the kids.
Speaker 4: When the Kids is like, so, okay, yeah, that was
Speaker 4: a great story.
Speaker 1: I saw that. Yeah, but what what would you would
Speaker 1: you would you take a sister's job or if it
Speaker 1: was offered or because because didn't you work with the
Speaker 1: Knicks or something like that.
Speaker 4: I do a lot with the lakers Paces next that
Speaker 4: they are playing for community service works. Okay, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, And I'll do it. I'm coaching right now.
Speaker 4: I kind of like to I enjoy what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: So I'm coaching girls I got a lot of experience.
Speaker 4: I'm a head coach right and I don't feel bad
Speaker 4: about that position that I'm playing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Will I be an assistant, Yeah, but I think I'd
Speaker 4: rather be with my family than being an assistant. No disrespect,
Speaker 4: you know about it. You know what I mean. I'd
Speaker 4: rather spend time because I'm I'm not going to coach
Speaker 4: a long time. Once I get that head coaching job,
Speaker 4: the clock is on, you know, because I'm not. I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm not staying that long. If I stay five
Speaker 4: years or something like that. So every it ain't a
Speaker 4: head coaching job then right now it's like nothing and
Speaker 4: a crazy thing about it. So on March fourth, I
Speaker 4: get it. My head coach to Renal Johnson, gets a
Speaker 4: call a tech from Mike Brown and then Mike Brown
Speaker 4: shout out to Mike Ground. Played for Mike Brown. Indiana
Speaker 4: plays with Mike Ground the Lakers, and then he said,
Speaker 4: I want you to get I want you to get
Speaker 4: on on a on a call with BOC Brinda Conna.
Speaker 4: I played for Brindal Conna Indiana team, and I want
Speaker 4: you to talk about some defense. So then my head
Speaker 4: coach to Renal Johnson, So this is March fourth, and
Speaker 4: I want you to look at what they did since
Speaker 4: March fourth. So then my head coach to Reno Johnson says,
Speaker 4: you'll met. I'm about to get on a call with
Speaker 4: with BOC because they want to talk about some defense.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, so I run a defense. You
Speaker 1: know what I right for the Knicks. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: So so apparently I think people were watching how we play.
Speaker 4: My style is incredible, So so we going over the defense.
Speaker 4: So I'm saying I coached Johnson. I just give them this.
Speaker 1: I watched the game.
Speaker 4: I watched them the games, and then I went gave
Speaker 4: him assessin. I said, you should talk about this, you
Speaker 4: should talk about this. Well since March fourth, they were
Speaker 4: forty six and nineteen.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And when you look at so that validates that I
Speaker 4: can coach. And my gout I got Cam because Cam
Speaker 4: says him, I got made. So I played with Mason Ruger,
Speaker 4: we played for Diddy Rutker, we got championship together, and
Speaker 4: you a mace.
Speaker 1: Think in the game a.
Speaker 5: Little bit, Okay.
Speaker 1: Then I heard and I heard him though too.
Speaker 4: Cam was good. But then they were talking about like
Speaker 4: you know, I don't have any experience from when I
Speaker 4: hit up cam, I'm like, I'm like, do you gotta
Speaker 4: do your research? This is not meta from Queensbridge Like,
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a I'm a coach. I'm a professional coach.
Speaker 4: I'm forty six years old. So said I hit up Caming.
Speaker 4: He was like, he's gonna have me on the show whatever.
Speaker 4: But then the narrative was I'm not coaching. You know,
Speaker 4: people saying I'm not coaching, right.
Speaker 1: So why they don't look at the women's like like
Speaker 1: a real coach.
Speaker 4: It's just politics when you get sports money at stake,
Speaker 4: So if your client has the opportunity to go grab
Speaker 4: a bag, why you're gonna mark me? Right, I'm coming
Speaker 4: in independent. I'm an independent, I'm an independent artist. I
Speaker 4: don't need nothing right and I'm not letting nobody pick
Speaker 4: my staff. I had another job for San Jose right,
Speaker 4: they wanted to hire me, right, but they was like
Speaker 4: for women's for women's coaching, where they wanted to pick
Speaker 4: my staff. I'm trying to win the championship and if
Speaker 4: you look at what they did the ship at three
Speaker 4: and twenty seven or something.
Speaker 1: While I'm not nobody.
Speaker 4: Because I know who I want. I need alpha dogs.
Speaker 4: I need people that can threaten my job. I need
Speaker 4: alphas around them. I don't want to know you know
Speaker 4: what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I want like Rashie Wallace, You know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want.
Speaker 5: I don't want Stephen Jackson.
Speaker 4: Who else did you know I need? I need? I
Speaker 4: need people that's like gonna challenge me, because then you
Speaker 4: have that confrontation, you agree to disagree, and you get back.
Speaker 4: I don't even nobody, so you know what I'm like, hell,
Speaker 4: and I'm not like y'all pick my stuff.
Speaker 2: That also shows That also shows confidence for the players
Speaker 2: when they see the coaches so so animated.
Speaker 1: Yeah competitive, But well, let me ask you this, because
Speaker 1: your style is like so rough, like straight to it,
Speaker 1: like you ever think that you too rough for the girls.
Speaker 4: Or like no, I'm a coach, right, It's not like
Speaker 4: when I played.
Speaker 5: You know, Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: Coaching my girls, you know now, I'm implementing Phil Jackson stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm meditating with my girls. I'm making sure they get
Speaker 4: to school. I'm not screaming up my girls. But if
Speaker 4: you if you talk to my girls, they probably never
Speaker 4: heard me raise my voice for the exception of we
Speaker 4: had a few that was just like me.
Speaker 1: I girls just like.
Speaker 4: Really and I had to like control him. And but
Speaker 4: I always talked to my girls like you know how
Speaker 4: you feel, you know this, this is how I coach.
Speaker 4: I let him know I'm gonna be a man. I'm
Speaker 4: not coaching like like nobody else. I'm coaching like me,
Speaker 4: and they let me coach like me. So we have
Speaker 4: an understanding and and it's all good. Yeah, show they
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 1: Pulled up and say, coach, I saw video.
Speaker 2: Come Oh, I mean as who you are and what
Speaker 2: you're leading and what you're giving them as mentor coach.
Speaker 1: They got to be like, nah, he's a.
Speaker 11: Dog too, I got to know who he is.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sometimes sometimes they might watch maybe you watch a
Speaker 4: clip right when you meet me in person, I'm forty six,
Speaker 4: you know, and mature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm holding that.
Speaker 4: That's like going, that's like glory may I heard some
Speaker 4: of your musics, like, like hold on.
Speaker 2: Many last I was here, we didn't do flowers.
Speaker 1: We gotta we got to what the flowers. Our shows
Speaker 1: about giving people their flowers, they thought so they could
Speaker 1: sell them. This is before you walked in. We were
Speaker 1: watching this is Fire and we were watching and it
Speaker 1: was the first it was it was playing a game
Speaker 1: when you first wore World Peace jersey, and it was
Speaker 1: a clip with lead this when you first got to
Speaker 1: the next and don't I don't think you wanted to
Speaker 1: wear that jersey at that time?
Speaker 5: What happened explaining to that?
Speaker 4: It was wild? So like I changed my name to me.
Speaker 4: I became a Buddhist huh in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 4: and then I was I was still practicing and I
Speaker 4: played for Phil. Ironically, I said, this is he's saying,
Speaker 4: we win the championship, and I wanted with controls.
Speaker 1: I won a championship by having enter control.
Speaker 4: So now I'm like, I'm all in on Buddhist. Then
Speaker 4: I can't, and then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna change
Speaker 4: my name. So initially I was looking at two Indian
Speaker 4: types style names Medas an Indian name from the Indian culture,
Speaker 4: and then I was looking at another last name. Initially
Speaker 4: it was actually so Hood, so that was my first option.
Speaker 4: Well I was wrong. I actually had the shirt, you know,
Speaker 4: and then it evolved to like, but as I got
Speaker 4: older in my mind it was evolving, so you know,
Speaker 4: as I said, okay, let me, let me stick to
Speaker 4: more me.
Speaker 1: So then.
Speaker 4: When I saw it was like, you know, I picture
Speaker 4: on thousands of names and then the last name was
Speaker 4: like meta imagine like meta group or Metasuja. I'm like
Speaker 4: it's too much like for me. I'm like, I can't
Speaker 4: have two Indian names. I'm not an Indian. So then
Speaker 4: I was trying to go for a different last name,
Speaker 4: and the world piece just hit. I'm like, I'm the
Speaker 4: only shake. If he was going through the war at
Speaker 4: that time, you know what I mean, he was going
Speaker 4: through the wall Middle Eastern War Iraq.
Speaker 1: And look at the look at the title.
Speaker 5: You're an outbum.
Speaker 4: I never asked you about it, but you know the
Speaker 4: tragedy like you know, thank you.
Speaker 1: This is incredible.
Speaker 4: So you know, when you when you look at people,
Speaker 4: people don't understand about tragedy. As a young kid that's
Speaker 4: trying to find his way in the neighborhood, you know,
Speaker 4: find his way in life. Like you listen to the tragedy,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, that's all we got. I
Speaker 4: can't trust. I can't trust what I he did. Tragedy
Speaker 4: is saying this is how he laying it out. That's
Speaker 4: how that's where we go to school.
Speaker 11: Last.
Speaker 4: So now I don't want necessarily want to get in trouble,
Speaker 4: you know, but I want to I listen. I say, okay,
Speaker 4: if I make these right decisions, and if I listen
Speaker 4: to you know what, you know kind of how he's saying,
Speaker 4: if you make a wrong move, you know you're gonna
Speaker 4: go to jail. Something.
Speaker 5: He was talking about the rest of the president too, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean, the back then, and then you
Speaker 4: know my cousin, my brother in the little hostuff. You know,
Speaker 4: he's like, he's the only one that got three babies
Speaker 4: by my sister, but everybody else got for baby mamas,
Speaker 4: but hostile passed away. Screwball, right, and then even if
Speaker 4: you look at the record they made about Giuliani. Wow,
Speaker 4: so right, So as I'm listening to this stuff and saying,
Speaker 4: how could I take this and understand what they're saying.
Speaker 4: So then when you talk about world peace and people
Speaker 4: say you calling him it's crazy, I'm like, nah, that
Speaker 4: sails the walk going out going on outside, nobody's safe
Speaker 4: from Like, how could I inspire somebody from the hood.
Speaker 4: That's why when I went to the league. The reason
Speaker 4: I kept representing the streets was because I wanted them
Speaker 4: to know I didn't forget about them, And I also
Speaker 4: wanted them to know, like, you know, you don't have
Speaker 4: to be in trouble, like you could do things on
Speaker 4: from a positive perspective and focus on your family. You
Speaker 4: don't have to don't take debate, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I learned that from people like Tragedy, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, just listening to my albums and of
Speaker 4: course you know, and you know Nasis like he's different,
Speaker 4: he's like a superstar all this stuff, but he also
Speaker 4: has a lot of great messaging he does, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. I'm speaking about Naves. Is it
Speaker 1: true that in the middle of jay Z and Nives
Speaker 1: going to war you hung out with jay Z or
Speaker 1: you brung jay Z to the hood, or he gave
Speaker 1: you a rocke like this.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna like this up. We don't know, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: drink check the drink Champs normally got a baby by
Speaker 4: my cousin. This is a show.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm gonna like this up. Yeah yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: yeah to no.
Speaker 5: So is that true?
Speaker 1: Uh? After you hung out with Jyll gave you a
Speaker 1: you played for him in Record Park or something right
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 5: Middle of j and Ives going the war.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they owe me an apology. The record it. Now
Speaker 4: you owe me the first apology. Now I's one me
Speaker 4: like a I understand that an apology. So what happened
Speaker 4: was like I'm a I'm a freshman at Saint John's.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, this is okay, coolte.
Speaker 4: Ninety Okay, I started to build a relationship with Rockefeller.
Speaker 4: Hip hop Okay, so I start the relationship with Rockefeller.
Speaker 4: Now keep in mind, we idolize Nas like he's Michael
Speaker 4: Jordan and also beyond Michael Jordan's you know so so,
Speaker 4: but Nas was like busy in ninety seven. I guess
Speaker 4: he's not in the hood a lot, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, So we don't. I don't see him a
Speaker 4: lot unless hes don't know. He's going on his side.
Speaker 4: But I'm staying on my side. So anyway, I happened
Speaker 4: to have a relationship with the Rockefeller and not. Now,
Speaker 4: keep in mind, I know wherez like these.
Speaker 7: I played ball winz every on the weekends, man wiz yeahkay, okay.
Speaker 4: From Bravehouse. You see I see the Brave Hauts.
Speaker 5: Okay, but I don't see Nas Okay, so.
Speaker 4: I don't have a relationship with nas. First time I
Speaker 4: met Nas, you know, was he Lloyd, And I said, damn,
Speaker 4: why can't I mean Nas man? So I was fifteen,
Speaker 4: and Lloyd said, yo, Na's coming through right now. So
Speaker 4: he came through. He came on.
Speaker 1: He in a minivan.
Speaker 4: And it's the first time I seen diamonds that look
Speaker 4: like rainbows.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm like, damn.
Speaker 1: And then now I'm staying through the first time, my
Speaker 1: first time I met him literally as a you know,
Speaker 1: and this is ninety nine.
Speaker 4: No, this was ninety six or ninety five, Okay, first
Speaker 4: time I met nine. Okay, you know in terms of like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm doing my thing, he's doing he's he's
Speaker 4: already doing this thing. And you know, this kid from
Speaker 4: the hood look up to you want to meet you.
Speaker 4: I met NOAs and then so that that's that's it.
Speaker 4: And then after that, I played a relationship with Rockefeller.
Speaker 4: Rockefeller had a relationship with Saint John's right, you know,
Speaker 4: So I'm like dinners with these guys. I'm going into
Speaker 4: the office with Dame you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 4: in the office at the Rocke at the Rockefeller Rockaware
Speaker 4: Rockaway Rockefeller where. So so I'm getting like free stuff
Speaker 4: and keep in mind, yeah, I mean I don't got nothing.
Speaker 4: I still don't got nothing, like Ja Laurian used to
Speaker 4: give me.
Speaker 1: Five dollars like lawyer, yeah, young Okay.
Speaker 4: So so then I'm like, all right, cool, jay Z's
Speaker 4: a rapper who I listened to jay Z? Actually I
Speaker 4: wasn't a big jay Z fan. I got Cedric from
Speaker 4: twelve Sheet was a big jay Z fan. I was
Speaker 4: listening to old school music. Good okay, So then he
Speaker 4: loved jay I learned about jay Z from Cedric. So
Speaker 4: then so then you know, so you're so we're hanging
Speaker 4: out and I develop a relationship now and in the
Speaker 4: back of my mind, I'm like, dad, I wish I
Speaker 4: had a relationship with NAS, right because I look up
Speaker 4: the NAS. So anyway, that fast forward and right before
Speaker 4: I'm about to announce, I'm going to the NBA, I
Speaker 4: go to the Rockefeller office. I say, yo, I'm about
Speaker 4: to announce, because now I'm like, how Lebron is with
Speaker 4: Jay in ninety seven? Lebron is fourteen, right, right, so
Speaker 4: he was I was Jay was like I think I
Speaker 4: was being prepped to be on like a Rock Nation
Speaker 4: type of thing. They were already thinking about this.
Speaker 11: Okay, wow.
Speaker 4: So I was like, you, I'm gonna wear a Rockefeller.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna weird. I mean, I'm a rock and were
Speaker 4: into my press conference and I did my press conference
Speaker 4: in the hood of Quensbridge. I already had a planning
Speaker 4: in the recenter. The I didn't know they have beef.
Speaker 5: Okay, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Honestly, the beef launched like three days before. Look at
Speaker 4: the date when the beef lunch. So I'm like, oh
Speaker 4: my goodness, Like, do I tell Rocket Fellow, I don't
Speaker 4: want beef for these names. But I can't wear your
Speaker 4: stuff because you got beef from my men, right, So
Speaker 4: now you know? And then I'm like, yo, they were
Speaker 4: they using me as a poem. That's a fair cesstem.
Speaker 4: I go through it. Now, keep in mind, that's dangerous
Speaker 4: because now I'm not not even older guys, the guys
Speaker 4: my age. That's like, yo, what Rocky way in the hunt?
Speaker 4: So that was danger but I went but I went
Speaker 4: on with it, and I never heard from Rocky. I
Speaker 4: never heard from the news again. And then I gotta imagine.
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, this is good ship. I spoke
Speaker 4: briefly about it, like not a lot. I spoke brief medium.
Speaker 4: We had dinner with Nas. Shout out the NAS coat.
Speaker 4: I went to the coat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we want in New York.
Speaker 1: On that crazy.
Speaker 4: But so anyway, now you fast forward, it's like and
Speaker 4: then before that, I ain't even know Damon jay Z
Speaker 4: had a problem.
Speaker 1: Wait wait what back?
Speaker 13: Okay, Okay, okay, me and Cam we do the we
Speaker 13: do the rock o where launch okay, close, and they
Speaker 13: did a photo shooting and I'm showing up because I
Speaker 13: got a relationship with rock with right, so I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 13: sh j J not head, but this is.
Speaker 4: Gonna be okay. And and it's out there you can
Speaker 4: look at.
Speaker 5: It, right, okay, but they got beef.
Speaker 4: So now it's like, oh, I wasn't I said, oh,
Speaker 4: I wasn't supposed.
Speaker 11: To do this when you're there, no after because I.
Speaker 4: Know they have beef. So I'm like, damn, I'm in
Speaker 4: between some I'm just trying to I'm trying my pro
Speaker 4: so I'm trying to attach myself to something hot, right,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And then like so that
Speaker 4: was like a witch and I'm also working on an album.
Speaker 4: I was also start working on my album, so I'm
Speaker 4: hoping I can get like some verses, some good beats.
Speaker 4: So that kind of like and then then.
Speaker 1: Then fast forward into when they first hit the stage.
Speaker 4: So you got Jay, you got Nas, you got Lebron.
Speaker 4: I show up for NAS, and I get a call
Speaker 4: from Killer Kids, Rock Charlie, Yo, maybe maybe wiz And
Speaker 4: and Jungle. Okay, somebody said, Yo, be here, and Childie
Speaker 4: is like, Yo, you gotta be there. I'm all right,
Speaker 4: make it happen. So I was right there before they
Speaker 4: walk on the stage. I'm like, I know I'm going
Speaker 4: up there, you know. And then I ain't even see
Speaker 4: I said, I said, I'm gonna go up there just
Speaker 4: to be like I And then I saw Lebron. I said, oh,
Speaker 4: I know, I'm next one. I got a whole down
Speaker 4: on my guy, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 4: was Jay Nas and wrong and I was kind of
Speaker 4: I was like, I was kind of hurt, and then
Speaker 4: you know, and then I was like, you never got
Speaker 4: to get on the stage.
Speaker 1: No, So then so I have to excuse I have.
Speaker 4: I have a case I should have been on that stage.
Speaker 4: That's a different way of the Yeah, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then also I just wanted to get those two down,
Speaker 4: like yo, like rock rock rockaway while y'all stop messing
Speaker 4: with me. Right when I gave you my time. I
Speaker 4: think my time was somewhat valuable. And then how you
Speaker 4: guys as friends now didn't talk to me. Okay, where
Speaker 4: do I fall into this category?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? To be clear, they weren't
Speaker 1: paying you to do the rock, so you were just
Speaker 1: doing it.
Speaker 4: No, I ain't pay you. I didn't get paid. Just yeah,
Speaker 4: just looking in a relationship like cause I'm trying to
Speaker 4: I'm in the front New York Brooklyn sat down and
Speaker 4: I got my name from uptown, Like I'm just trying to.
Speaker 4: I'm about to go pro.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The first thing I did was when I got When
Speaker 4: I went pro, I shout out gods and mall.
Speaker 1: Deep, but they were standing on stage.
Speaker 4: That's the first thing I did, shout out to the mall,
Speaker 4: shout out, thinking like we're gonna come together, Like we're
Speaker 4: gonna come together. I got some bread. I know what's
Speaker 4: happening in the hood. I know niggas could use a
Speaker 4: little investments. I was the first investor in MS records
Speaker 4: with no contract.
Speaker 1: That's just cash.
Speaker 4: Wow, I gave I started, I gave.
Speaker 1: I gave you Prodigy to cash.
Speaker 4: That's before you would do I don't know what contract
Speaker 4: is shut out. I was helping with the records. We
Speaker 4: go get the records from the shoint. But in my mind,
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, ship, you know. And I wasn't speaking
Speaker 4: annoy this much. But in my mind I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: seeing them, what can I do to help?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But it was a total opposite, Like you know, I
Speaker 4: was feeling the square in the circle.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a little bit but let me, do
Speaker 1: you think, like even from Queensbridgs, do you think you
Speaker 1: deserved more support when it came to your music career.
Speaker 5: Yes, you felt like that.
Speaker 4: Because guys is like your guys. What I'm saying is
Speaker 4: I was inspired by your guests right right right. So
Speaker 4: now people would say you never got nas on the record,
Speaker 4: I digg it, no, but okay, he sent me your record.
Speaker 4: I couldn't edit.
Speaker 1: Okay, another story I love. I didn't know that you
Speaker 1: couldn't use it.
Speaker 4: I used it. I needed I needed to. I needed
Speaker 4: to edit my my my artist verse.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, I couldn't it.
Speaker 1: Okay just recorded.
Speaker 5: You didn't have a mission, you just do artist on it,
Speaker 5: and I didn't.
Speaker 4: We tried, we made it work, but it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I need the files, I need the stems.
Speaker 1: Then you didn't know it was I knew I needed
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 4: Time, but I didn't want to ask nows again because
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is if you give you this, take it,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like this is enough from
Speaker 4: regard right, But yeah, I always wanted to wrap. I mean,
Speaker 4: if you think about it, like on the third.
Speaker 14: Floor, huh ering on three A well and you forty
Speaker 14: one oh wait that's tenth street, but twelve street forty one,
Speaker 14: sixteen okay, sixteen killer and have it the three ceeds
Speaker 14: my cousin who was also he right there.
Speaker 4: They also moving a lot right in the hood eight
Speaker 4: three A right. So so I'm like, I've seen the
Speaker 4: whole experience, you know, coming to so I'm like this
Speaker 4: is inspimental. People was like, you know, why are you
Speaker 4: wrapping now? In the hoods somebody like why are you rapping?
Speaker 4: Or my cousin the pole, why a you rapping?
Speaker 1: Rapping? I'm around you, guys, every day, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Now that you look back at it,
Speaker 1: do you think that was a mistake because then you
Speaker 1: get in trouble with Sacramento or who team was it.
Speaker 1: I never got in trouble, oh, because I think you
Speaker 1: wanted to go on tour.
Speaker 4: Well, what happened was so before the broad okay, my
Speaker 4: grandma passed away, and then I needed a break.
Speaker 11: Okay, so I was going to Miami.
Speaker 4: They let me go on the break. But when I
Speaker 4: went to Miami, the d T was U huh And
Speaker 4: I went on state.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to go. I should not have done nothing,
Speaker 1: but I was.
Speaker 5: He was supposed to be playing the game.
Speaker 4: Well, I was going on the break and am I
Speaker 4: just passed? So I said, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: take a break. I'm gonna go to Miami with my
Speaker 4: guys and we're gonna go to Miami. You go to
Speaker 4: the club break. That could be part of the break.
Speaker 4: It was, honestly, it was part of me break.
Speaker 1: Honestly part of the break because your grandma died.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the breakage to my grandma.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't. Honestly, my grandma passed I need to go
Speaker 4: away from basketball, right, So they looked at it like that,
Speaker 4: Like I was promoting the album the Break and then
Speaker 4: the crazy thing, and it was like it was like,
Speaker 4: you know those things, I just don't stop. So then
Speaker 4: so that happens, everything is cool. Could be playing well, right, right,
Speaker 4: So even Jermaine Knew was like, yeah, he's doing an album,
Speaker 4: but he's playing well. Nobody all happens. And I just
Speaker 4: signed the law.
Speaker 5: Right, just signed the law Lord.
Speaker 4: I just signed the law socause I love R and B.
Speaker 4: I love arm Be more than anything. So I want
Speaker 4: to come up.
Speaker 1: I wanted to start.
Speaker 4: Chinky was my first artist I wanted to sign, so
Speaker 4: I didn't want to sign.
Speaker 1: I want to do right.
Speaker 4: I want to do but Chinky, you know it's a
Speaker 4: long time ago, right, So so then I signed in
Speaker 4: law It bro happens. I remember nineteenth, A little albums dropped.
Speaker 4: You know we're gonna twenty third, A little album is
Speaker 4: dropping a womber twenty third. Broad happens in nineteenth. Check
Speaker 4: stops on the nineteenth. Imagine that and.
Speaker 5: Didn't what did you? Who did you drop a little with?
Speaker 4: It's just me, It was just you signed a little
Speaker 4: trying to get into music.
Speaker 1: But it was a distribution, wasn't it.
Speaker 11: We all, oh okay, yeah kay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anybody like I want to be please give a law.
Speaker 12: Listening to Stay.
Speaker 1: Chapter three incredible album, man.
Speaker 4: My greatest work. Yeah, but it was like I was
Speaker 4: trying to get into it and then I feel like
Speaker 4: I wanted more support. But I felt like people looked
Speaker 4: at it like I don't know, like, like you know what.
Speaker 1: It is when a basketball player makes that album. I
Speaker 1: think most people don't take them serious. It's like and
Speaker 1: it's like it's like when master Ple, all do respect us,
Speaker 1: my man, when you're trying to serious, like and he
Speaker 1: was serious.
Speaker 4: Look at look at I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna say nathty hustle, but it's not nifty hustle.
Speaker 5: The rest of the piece of thefty hustle. But what's
Speaker 5: my man named?
Speaker 1: J Cole? J Cole just went to out of the
Speaker 1: country where I think they bust his ass. He got
Speaker 1: like two points. But but but us, like this guy
Speaker 1: is working out every day, he's going to the we're
Speaker 1: taking them serious. But I think it's like bite first
Speaker 1: because I feel like rappers always wanted to be athletes
Speaker 1: and athletes always wanted to be a rappers.
Speaker 4: But this is different. Okay, this is waking up in
Speaker 4: the Queen's Bridge, all right, this look think about the stories. Yeah,
Speaker 4: w w E every every Thanksgiving, that nature house, That's
Speaker 4: where I'm at. Before I knew, I didn't even know
Speaker 4: the na rapper. Wow, I was chilling Brandon in Theron. Wow,
Speaker 4: I don't even know his mom had the cakes, the cakes.
Speaker 5: I spend on.
Speaker 4: I'm at with with twin, the twin annoying my mom.
Speaker 4: All best friends, right, so all hanging out every night.
Speaker 4: So he spending night of that day, right, So I'm
Speaker 4: growing up around it. And then you find out guys
Speaker 4: is rapping and you want to be like them, like
Speaker 4: you don't want you want to try to stay out
Speaker 4: of trouble. And then so what are you guys doing?
Speaker 4: You guys is rapping because you know, you guys want
Speaker 4: to break in trouble. You guys are not. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's how that's my plan, b right, you know, is
Speaker 4: to tell a story. And so for me it's little.
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit different than like baller, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right, you from from them, like it's crazy. I'm
Speaker 1: bouncing around a little bit. But it's crazy how like
Speaker 1: like people may consider Queen's Ridge poverty, but it's not,
Speaker 1: like I mean, like it's actually rich. And like I
Speaker 1: said it earlier, I looked at Paul, probably some of
Speaker 1: the best times I've ever had in my life is
Speaker 1: in Queens. I'm talking about when I was bro not
Speaker 1: even like not even like like that's one of the
Speaker 1: almost if you want to have fun, you're gonna find
Speaker 1: some fun out there. Yeah, And you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I love about that era. I always felt like
Speaker 1: people always protected you from from the street, like like
Speaker 1: you you a street but you like, like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I think everyone was really protected you because I'm
Speaker 1: sure you seeing the same way you see rappers. I'm
Speaker 1: sure like when you was younger, you've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of drug dealers because you have block. Is crazy and
Speaker 1: is that true? Like the streets always kind of like
Speaker 1: protected you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely able to like you, you know, Trail from
Speaker 4: twelve Street here, you know, he'll give us a dollar.
Speaker 1: And I remember that, you know, to make sure you
Speaker 1: stay out the street.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you see us hooping, you know, you guys
Speaker 4: was trying. Y'all didn't want us to be like you know,
Speaker 4: like y'all, oh you know what I mean. For the
Speaker 4: most part, you guys protected us. So guys, you know,
Speaker 4: so for me when I need it, I felt I'll
Speaker 4: be getting it like people don't. You might have beat
Speaker 4: with tramp, but I remember, gave me enough money to
Speaker 4: go buy.
Speaker 5: Some long get some longs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get some yo. I'm sorry over the place.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something. I thought Wongs had
Speaker 1: drugs in it. Yo. It's a Chinese restaurant in Queensbridge.
Speaker 1: I used to come from Left Brack for Wongs like
Speaker 1: I'm wanna, I'm I'm going through. This is twenty first Street, right,
Speaker 1: I'm going there getting Wongs. And I used to go
Speaker 1: to the park, but she goes from the pub.
Speaker 5: I used to like him.
Speaker 1: He was like the only other Spanish person. I used
Speaker 1: to always go there and mess with him. But Wongs,
Speaker 1: Wongs was so addicted. You remember Wongs. Yeah, yes, but
Speaker 1: that food was it? That food was like mister Chile. Yo.
Speaker 1: And I want to check the.
Speaker 4: Jo he walked around the.
Speaker 1: Fine so boom. We want to do quick time of Slim.
Speaker 1: But I get explain to.
Speaker 3: All right because last here we didn't play this game.
Speaker 3: This is our drinking game. We're gonna give you two choices.
Speaker 3: You pick one, we don't drink. But if you say
Speaker 3: you don't want to pick a choice for both, or
Speaker 3: you picked both, we drinking. Okay, all right, we really
Speaker 3: just want stories out.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but I got I'm picking one up to you.
Speaker 1: You want to pick either or. But sometimes people just
Speaker 1: want to be politically correct. They don't want to pay, and.
Speaker 4: That's when we drank. Okay, that's when we drank.
Speaker 1: All right, So Jordan or Kobe may get him his
Speaker 1: shots whatever he's drinking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's your shot.
Speaker 1: Okay shot.
Speaker 11: The thinking about it is dope. You have to think
Speaker 11: about those guys.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to say the one because Kobe
Speaker 4: not here. So I said, he said, I Enjoydan was better.
Speaker 4: Like Kobe called me, you know what I mean? He
Speaker 4: was like, yo, ma in't true. He told me this
Speaker 4: is why it ain't true. So I said the reasons
Speaker 4: why it wasn't Yeah, And I said, you're right, so
Speaker 4: I can't just.
Speaker 5: Talked for me to go back, and now let me
Speaker 5: tell you I'm joining.
Speaker 4: Was that dude?
Speaker 1: We take yeah? Yeah, we take one night. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me tell you Kobe Bryant's story real quick before you
Speaker 1: move on.
Speaker 5: We have mister Childs.
Speaker 1: One night, I just did a record with Kobe. Remember
Speaker 1: he was on Track Masters with Steve Stout.
Speaker 4: I got I got you, Oh he was I didn't
Speaker 4: realize that was Stell.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when I got on the record, I wrote
Speaker 1: his rhyme. He came to the studio like furious. He
Speaker 1: was like, what is that. No.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that's for you, Like I got you.
Speaker 1: He was furious. He was like he's like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I write my own rocks. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I was cool. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's competitive, Like even in a field where he's not
Speaker 1: a professional's competitive.
Speaker 5: So we went I definitely raised the verse.
Speaker 1: I definitely.
Speaker 5: I definitely raised the verse.
Speaker 1: And then, uh, I don't know if we went out
Speaker 1: to the dinner together or we bumped each other again
Speaker 1: at dinner. So we're in mir Chiles. You know. You know,
Speaker 1: mister Childs is minty seventh Street. You know what the
Speaker 1: closest hood to that is.
Speaker 5: Seezberg.
Speaker 1: So me like the idiot I am. I look at
Speaker 1: Kobe in his face and I'm like I could take
Speaker 1: you one on one right now. I'm I'm drunk out
Speaker 1: of my mind, but in my mind, I think I
Speaker 1: could take Kobe right now. So Kobe, there's not much
Speaker 1: of a competitive dude. He is, bro, He's I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: He looked at me like, where's the nearest court, like
Speaker 1: the fact that he even thought about it. So I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, queensbridges right down block, Like we could
Speaker 1: literally like this, this this is the bridge right here,
Speaker 1: we just go across the street.
Speaker 5: And the man thought about it, he thought about it.
Speaker 1: I really was wanting to be like, hell no, Kobe,
Speaker 1: I'm playing around like but I sat there. That's how
Speaker 1: much of a dog he was in real life. He
Speaker 1: didn't want me.
Speaker 5: To have that on him, to say, Yo, I challenge
Speaker 5: you for.
Speaker 1: To play ball and Queens right down the block like
Speaker 1: it literally is like four or five minutes away, And
Speaker 1: he thought about it, like this is how much that
Speaker 1: she would have abably been crazy. I was so glad
Speaker 1: he was like at the very last and he was
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, like or stop someone someone
Speaker 1: stopped there, and I was just like, but we were
Speaker 1: we were respectful.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, there's no way I could beat Kobe.
Speaker 1: I got like, but that's how that's how crazy is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah Lebron or k d mm okay Lebron, but not
Speaker 4: that not so fast, okay, right because the k these
Speaker 4: got dude, I think, I mean because Lebron because of
Speaker 4: what you see. If you're going, you know Lebron, Now
Speaker 4: you say Lebron, Jordan, we gotta talk about it because
Speaker 4: Lebron got some stuff. But then I can go to
Speaker 4: non scoring titles and eight and ten times playing eighty two.
Speaker 11: Games, right right?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So you can go eighty games ten times.
Speaker 4: I could played eighty two games ten times when we
Speaker 4: was in the liquors gods, just like, yeah, I'm playing
Speaker 4: eighty two this year.
Speaker 5: That's like a goal to get up to eighty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People taking no breakage, most people get hurt.
Speaker 4: And Korebe played eighty two that year. I play eighty two.
Speaker 4: But I think the starting five maybe not maybe maybe
Speaker 4: buying them didn't play eighty two.
Speaker 11: Wow, they just said that about Anthony Davis.
Speaker 5: He said that I saw it. I just saw it
Speaker 5: for eighty two games.
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Wait wait, wait, who was said
Speaker 1: that Anthony Davis. Yeah, he's he's in Dallas now. I
Speaker 1: don't know how the championship Laco in the.
Speaker 2: Labron, he's like available for eighty two.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you're gonna be limping, so you gotta be smart,
Speaker 4: like if you got a cash strain, you can't do
Speaker 4: too much. You gotta relax like you could get you
Speaker 4: want to play like you heard somewhere. Like for example,
Speaker 4: when I when I have my surgery here and this finger, Wow,
Speaker 4: damn me. So I have three surgeries on this finger.
Speaker 4: So I got surgery and they said you're gonna be
Speaker 4: out eight weeks. So I'm mean I'm in the pacer.
Speaker 4: I said, no, I'm not. I said, once I get
Speaker 4: the cast, I'm playing right, And he was like, no,
Speaker 4: you're not. I said, watch me what I said, Vince
Speaker 4: is playing. I'm playing against Vincent a week. I am
Speaker 4: miss Vince Cunner. And you're going YouTube, You're going Google.
Speaker 4: I mean you'll see my fucking hand rapped.
Speaker 11: Yeah like this much?
Speaker 1: Yeah, big rat.
Speaker 4: And that's the crazy. That's the difference.
Speaker 11: Who protects you at that moment? Well in your circling,
Speaker 11: don't look like.
Speaker 4: I'm playing the game now from a contract perspective. So
Speaker 4: now I'm playing where I had ten surgeries on my hand,
Speaker 4: right that one three surgeries and then I got three.
Speaker 1: I didn't get.
Speaker 4: I just in funny, right, But Fat Joe got a story.
Speaker 4: I'll did just split right here. Fat Joe got a story.
Speaker 4: I'll do from the record.
Speaker 1: I think in the championship is split all the way
Speaker 1: down there.
Speaker 4: It was wide open, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 4: wrapped the shit with Tish fell tape. But were playing
Speaker 4: in those areas like the Knicks said play right, So
Speaker 4: that's how I come from the Nick. I were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're not We're not sitting out the game. My last
Speaker 4: injury had a miniscus tear. They said, you're gonna be
Speaker 4: out six weeks on the Lakers. I said, no, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I said, the playoffs is next week with the Lakers
Speaker 4: were Spurs. It was the only time to Nash Howard,
Speaker 4: I don't know when next time I'm playing with these guys.
Speaker 4: I ain't missing that right. So I got a picture
Speaker 4: with these guys playing just got swept right, and also
Speaker 4: didn't want to miss playing against Kawhi Leonner. I'm the
Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard. Ain't Tim duncan I ain't missing that right,
Speaker 4: and but that ended my career like that. So now
Speaker 4: on the other side, when God is sitting out, I
Speaker 4: would say sit out because now you go back for
Speaker 4: negotiations and they say you only average fifteen, I.
Speaker 11: Say, come on, or you're injury prone.
Speaker 4: You know I can't do certain things? Did I can't?
Speaker 4: I can't go for some rebounds, So now box and
Speaker 4: I was saying, Okay, I know I can get him
Speaker 4: that rebound. You know, I don't even want go brea.
Speaker 4: Keep my heads, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So how about that that famous Mark Jackson statement coach
Speaker 2: Mark Jackson when he was like, you got to tell
Speaker 2: your body not today.
Speaker 11: I'm not I'm not hurt today. Is that something that
Speaker 11: you ever heard of?
Speaker 1: It you ever heard of that? No?
Speaker 4: I didn't hear that saying that was.
Speaker 1: With a d or or somebody that got hurt. And
Speaker 1: he was like, no, you got to tell your body not.
Speaker 4: Now you got to be smart too. But there's a
Speaker 4: lot of money at risk. But so you your stats
Speaker 4: right now, that's what they're saying. So your status is
Speaker 4: the difference between a hundred million and you know, so
Speaker 4: you know, so what you're gonna do no, of course,
Speaker 4: that's business. It's from my perspective, was different because I
Speaker 4: can win without scoring, and I can win without rebounding.
Speaker 4: So what I'm telling them is and I did it,
Speaker 4: and I still did it, But I never got like
Speaker 4: a twelve. You never seen people think I got a
Speaker 4: maxed Ol. I ain't never seen him that contract, not
Speaker 4: with Houston. No, that's not six MILLI six miles. And
Speaker 4: most have a son because of trouble, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, because that's what you know what I mean
Speaker 4: it was. It was a lot of that, but also
Speaker 4: like the performance, so you know, but yeah, I was saying, yeah, let's.
Speaker 1: Get back to God, don't play. You got this?
Speaker 4: Okay, the next one, Kyrie or a I. That's an
Speaker 4: interesting one. Kyrie or a I has a Kyrie has
Speaker 4: the title. I feel like a I honestly because certain people,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go a I. I ain't saying Kyrie are nice, nice,
Speaker 4: A good choice. Yeah, LL I'm gonna go with NAS.
Speaker 4: Just have a shout. Also, okay, shots are here, but
Speaker 4: I think L has a great body at work. LL
Speaker 4: did to a different audience. Yeah, but it's okay, you know,
Speaker 4: I think nas is like just two legendary people. You
Speaker 4: gotta listen to the rap he could rap.
Speaker 1: They have more beef than it in terms of beef.
Speaker 4: Well, and now it's got great music. I think that
Speaker 4: is the greatest rapper honestly. Honestly, Yeah, me too. Yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I think that it's the greatest rapper era because but
Speaker 4: I think in terms of more beef, I think l
Speaker 4: had a sizeable amount.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think sizeable.
Speaker 4: It's one of the first artists I think had the
Speaker 4: first beef for real, Like he's doing R and B,
Speaker 4: so he gotta be like, I ain't no sucker.
Speaker 1: He was. He was starting. He was starting instigated because
Speaker 1: if you go way back to kum D. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't go that far. I can't know what I can't say.
Speaker 1: I can't say if he started that. But the Cannabis thing,
Speaker 1: I really do think he started. I really do. And
Speaker 1: at the time, like Cannabis was one of the most
Speaker 1: vicious people.
Speaker 5: On the mic.
Speaker 1: In fact, remember Cannabis, he felt Cannabis went at him
Speaker 1: on the Yeah, he didn't start it necessarily, No, he.
Speaker 5: Didn't mean that.
Speaker 4: Come on, I mean, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Cannabis was going there.
Speaker 5: He was going.
Speaker 1: Canabis went there. He went there.
Speaker 4: Keep in mind, I like, I love cannabis more than
Speaker 4: a lot of people. Now, cannabis is done. Man.
Speaker 1: He was a cannabis was He was a lyric on
Speaker 1: top of the lyrical food chain.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, I like cannabis lyrics. You know, I
Speaker 4: love cannabis honestly, man. And that was tough.
Speaker 1: But I think he just started and they all did
Speaker 1: what he had to do, and it was a classic record.
Speaker 1: They both It was on the same ricord class that
Speaker 1: was cannabis at the time.
Speaker 4: As a kid, I was on canabis side because I'm
Speaker 4: a kid, right, so you know I'm a cannabis fan.
Speaker 11: What he said, trained to run a hundred miles, I'm
Speaker 11: soft saying.
Speaker 1: Nah said female rappers too. I don't give a boy
Speaker 1: you realize Foxy just went She literally just just around then,
Speaker 1: like he said that we should play cannabis and coke
Speaker 1: and get to get in them. Okay, yes, but hold on,
Speaker 1: let let me have a little little twist to it.
Speaker 1: Nas or jay Z Man, that's not a little twist.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I'm say Nas the greatest, but let
Speaker 4: me let me not start there. Okay, let me start there,
Speaker 4: because that's like being biased and all that stuff. I
Speaker 4: love Volume one. I was one of those guys when
Speaker 4: Jay said, I'm my whole album.
Speaker 1: I'm like.
Speaker 5: You with my old ship, my ship, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: So Volume one was that thing. Volume two was good too.
Speaker 4: I didn't get into jay Z until Cedric Williams from
Speaker 4: Tell Street. All your friends know, Okay, I ain't getting
Speaker 4: to you. Got listening to jay Z. Got listened to
Speaker 4: jay Z. But I'm listening to them all deep. I
Speaker 4: love long Deep guy, I love Veterans Memorial.
Speaker 1: So we're going as I'm going as. Okay, hey you
Speaker 1: could you could get the next one? Jayleen Brunston or
Speaker 1: Steph Curry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, seven thirty seventh Curry right now?
Speaker 1: Okay, twenty ten okay, but ahead.
Speaker 4: Finished seventh Curry right now. Jeleen Bronston is dope.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, twenty ten Lakers or twenty twenty six Knicks.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, I'll about take a shot because I didn't
Speaker 4: take that quick, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: He's on go time with you cool? So oh yeah, sorry,
Speaker 5: we took it.
Speaker 1: Come on, let's do it, Let's do it. I'm more
Speaker 1: noise show. So you know what I mean, let's do
Speaker 1: it all right? Cool?
Speaker 4: So two thousand ten Lakers versus.
Speaker 1: Who twenty twenty six Knicks. All right, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with us one hundred, Yeah, say with us.
Speaker 4: I love them, guys. I gotta got my whole jerseys.
Speaker 4: Game four, I got the best thing signed by the way,
Speaker 4: Game four I want.
Speaker 1: I'm on the floor.
Speaker 4: They say world peace. We need world peace right now, right,
Speaker 4: so I say world peace, and Jael and Brunson signing
Speaker 4: and the whole Nick team signed it. I'm a Knicks fan.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go there right now, but I'm a
Speaker 4: huge Knick fan. But all right, I'm.
Speaker 1: Your three favorite team teams is Knicks, Bulls, and it
Speaker 1: switches your third one.
Speaker 4: I love the Knicks, but my favorite team is the Bulls.
Speaker 1: The Bulls and and Jordan Bulls. Jordan Bulls, okay because of.
Speaker 4: Them, and then the Nick but I never wanted to
Speaker 4: see them beat the Knicks. So the Knicks was the
Speaker 4: beat the Bulls ass in the championship. I'm I'm very happy,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about being the Knicks fan and
Speaker 1: I'm me being a Knicks fan, and I think I'm
Speaker 1: two years older than you, right, But and did you
Speaker 1: play with Reggie Miller?
Speaker 4: I played with Reggie.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Reggie used to kill us every year, like you can't
Speaker 1: every Yeah, listen, I took it so worse to the
Speaker 1: one time I went to All Star Weekend when I
Speaker 1: became Norri this is afterwards, and Reggie Miller walked into
Speaker 1: the room, I walked out. I didn't want to say
Speaker 1: add to him because of how he used to kill
Speaker 1: the Knicks. But then later on I got to forgive
Speaker 1: him because you on the team.
Speaker 5: Crazy for I got to forgive him like that that year,
Speaker 5: like he was the o G at that time too.
Speaker 5: It was like that was just that.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that his last year?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Last?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Was it?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I played Reggie before his last year, and then I
Speaker 4: was suspended his last year. Okay, yeah, I'm the reason
Speaker 4: he don't got a championship and he got one. In
Speaker 4: my heart yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you say what you think that the reason he championship?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Definitely because I was suspended.
Speaker 1: But he used to But back then he used to
Speaker 1: whip the Knicks ass and that didn't wasn't.
Speaker 4: That always was also Ja's best. I was second best.
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, okay, yeah, all right, yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, So but your question, oh sorry not to say
Speaker 4: on the paces. So why the pacers? Guy? So last year,
Speaker 4: the next players the Pacers. I'm room for the next
Speaker 4: I'm room for the Pacers, and I make it clear because.
Speaker 11: One they want in the stands for me, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then also Sean Green nots Blocked drafted to the
Speaker 4: paces Flemming my block.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, he was the pace. Yes, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 4: And then me Don Block had a traffic the Pacers,
Speaker 4: and I played for the Pacers. So the Pacers is
Speaker 4: always for many reasons they won. I would say Nicks
Speaker 4: in the Lakers, the Lakers, the Knicks and the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Is like.
Speaker 5: For me, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could do the next
Speaker 5: cone or nature.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Take your old.
Speaker 11: Anwer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna answer. You're gonna answer.
Speaker 15: You honestly.
Speaker 4: I see why we don't have to get you much
Speaker 4: deeper terms. We're supposed to go on vacation together, that's right,
Speaker 4: we didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Funny. I said, I wouldn't tell
Speaker 1: the story, but you gotta explaining the nature. It's funny,
Speaker 1: Like I read this house. This beautiful house. Did you
Speaker 1: read the great Yeah? And beautiful? And then it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful house next to us. And I'm hearing his voice
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he's hear my voice. Be right next
Speaker 1: door to each other. Leave no way, he leaves over,
Speaker 1: Like why smoke?
Speaker 4: I see this, dude, I see this, and I can't.
Speaker 1: Hearing your voice. That's why I was like, I know
Speaker 1: that voice.
Speaker 4: Like ahead, you see He's like, you know, yeah, you
Speaker 4: know right?
Speaker 1: Dare you smoking? We actually came over the smoked yeah,
Speaker 1: ma wait.
Speaker 5: I'm like that was crazy.
Speaker 1: I remember that was one of the first times I
Speaker 1: heard you say a venture capitalists.
Speaker 5: I said, he was with your vin capitalists home boys,
Speaker 5: and I was with my partners a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5: I was like, damn, what the is the pal capitalists.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what you were talking.
Speaker 5: I didn't want to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said.
Speaker 5: I was like, I was gonna get some different type
Speaker 5: of money.
Speaker 1: You're in the media business, and I was hitting my media,
Speaker 1: my media partner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, that's right right there.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 4: Also like and I was like, yo, I said, this
Speaker 4: is the guy. I said, no, you don't understand. Put
Speaker 4: down the blood in order to help your You know
Speaker 4: what I mean? That was dope.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you if you want to ask the componer, nature,
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, both thought help because I'm I'm in
Speaker 4: there and now cover cover is great.
Speaker 1: I love he said both. He said, both said I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so sorry, yes, and you're in the Russian I
Speaker 4: get you.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know.
Speaker 4: There you go, all right, So.
Speaker 11: You don't speak no, no, don't win in no Russian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nature wrote your first while.
Speaker 4: Nature Nature wrote my first round six six two forty
Speaker 4: new shure these new agents, What can you do for me? Niggas?
Speaker 4: Try to warn me about the pressure of prose and
Speaker 4: what it takes to be a star? Mad Questions of Rose,
Speaker 4: Question number one, why did I leave school? If you
Speaker 4: ask me, it was my best move? Sixteenth pick never
Speaker 4: seen ship. In fact, the only niggas I knew was
Speaker 4: my queen's click, try and fly and get your wings clipped.
Speaker 4: The nature man.
Speaker 5: Understand.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I would just do a verse and leave.
Speaker 1: I was busy. I got almost three hundred songs. I
Speaker 1: just do it first, leaving people and I throw it
Speaker 1: out there. I don't care. I throw it out.
Speaker 4: I'll be like gues you should trasy. I ain't even recorded,
Speaker 4: I got whatever, But but I would go to Nature.
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm gonna go a Capone. Got better body
Speaker 4: of work. Nature had a chance. We all know that
Speaker 4: Nature had a chance. But Capole have a way better
Speaker 4: body of work. They both lyricists. But you're probably gonna
Speaker 4: give us a capone because he's still putting that work.
Speaker 4: But the Nature, we we gotta admit Nature had the times.
Speaker 1: Mann that Nature time was serious. You got one night
Speaker 1: one time.
Speaker 5: He was the hottest.
Speaker 1: He was the hottest in Queens for sure, probably New
Speaker 1: York Man for sure, probably New York.
Speaker 4: So I took so one sing I say about Nature
Speaker 4: is like he's creative. I was talking. I speak to
Speaker 4: Nature all the time right sometimes and I think, like,
Speaker 4: like what you're doing? This inspired me? Man, I said,
Speaker 4: this is great. Y'all understand if you asked me in
Speaker 4: two thousand and two, you gonna do the podcast and
Speaker 4: talking and interviewing people. Know, no, no, no, he's not
Speaker 4: doing man, trust me with guy like Nature is like guys,
Speaker 4: it's tapping up into your other your other thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is this is I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: easy for you Mob deep or mop.
Speaker 4: Alright, I'm gonna deep.
Speaker 1: But I definitely.
Speaker 4: I never met them deep anway, cause I always say
Speaker 4: I love the Mob. It's crazy that I can make
Speaker 4: an argument that I'm from a neighborhood with the best artist.
Speaker 4: That's enough, Like yeah, I can get a chance to say, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm nah, you have the best artist, by the way,
Speaker 4: and and yeah, there's arguments to be made. Everybody feel
Speaker 4: like that the Mob. You know, Veterans Memorial is my
Speaker 4: best song from the mall, that's my best song. I
Speaker 4: tell alchemists I'm the alchemist is the only number I
Speaker 4: know about heart and my grandma number. But I can
Speaker 4: tell your alchemist's number one call them right now. Every
Speaker 4: time I see algemist, I tell on the phone number.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I will just go with the Mob. And
Speaker 4: for many reasons, and I also get I got to
Speaker 4: see Ray Quorn perform for any Now, keep in mind,
Speaker 4: I listened I for I like ten thousand times, right,
Speaker 4: and but I never knew.
Speaker 1: I would see for I perform live, you know. And
Speaker 1: it was crazy.
Speaker 5: And it was all four of them there, it was.
Speaker 4: It was Ray kwe it was nice.
Speaker 1: I think I think was going okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but you know what.
Speaker 4: I mean, And I've seen it live and for me,
Speaker 4: that was I've never seen it live before and that's
Speaker 4: like probably five or five top songs in my life.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's an incredible song.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but anyway, can go on and on a.
Speaker 1: Drug dealer's dreams, stash scream keys under like a gentleman.
Speaker 1: Women was on your head. So the.
Speaker 4: Metropolist shoot out, the Holy Beast is watching.
Speaker 1: Us, Okay, Larry Bird or Magic Jump, Oh.
Speaker 4: Larry Bird or magical Larry Bird or anybody honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean Larry j But Larry was that dude. If
Speaker 4: you look at today's game of Larry Gay, Larry is
Speaker 4: getting n one three point shots. So when you talk
Speaker 4: about Larry Biry being the best three point shooter, you're
Speaker 4: talking about Jesus and ones. That's what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: So and then magic is obviously great. So that's why
Speaker 4: I say magic is humble magics, like, yeah, you know
Speaker 4: these number one Magic is that dude? Like, But I
Speaker 4: think at the end of the day, if Larry wasn't
Speaker 4: hurt prow to go with Larry, but I think the
Speaker 4: body of work, you're gonna go with Magic.
Speaker 10: Okay, what's a good Magic Johnson's story that you have
Speaker 10: from playing with la because you know, you always stay
Speaker 10: close to the team.
Speaker 4: I mean for me, Magic is like I seen him
Speaker 4: pay against the Bulls, but I was a Bulls faner
Speaker 4: you understand, I was a Bulls faner so as I
Speaker 4: was a fan one time. So I didn't really see
Speaker 4: Magic a lot, but seeing his business moves was the
Speaker 4: main thing.
Speaker 11: Like what what is that?
Speaker 1: Starbucks? Starbucks?
Speaker 4: The first.
Speaker 2: Is like what?
Speaker 4: Like that was like something that we were not thinking
Speaker 4: into the So I love Magic for that honestly. The
Speaker 4: basketball piece like then you get competitive, Like I'm comparing
Speaker 4: how I would have played against Will. So for me
Speaker 4: sometimes it's like I'm like.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're talking about anybody.
Speaker 11: We would have probably.
Speaker 4: Dominated just like anybody. So we got I got that
Speaker 4: kind of feelings about about Magic and also but my
Speaker 4: his business.
Speaker 11: You got the Dodgers, he got the buying teams do it.
Speaker 4: But you didn't even think that was possible.
Speaker 1: This is a good one and this is production obviously,
Speaker 1: Molly ma or Havoc.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy, Molly Ma, have it. That is incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got shot. You don't want to answer?
Speaker 1: Ye uh yeah. I think want to do this for
Speaker 1: him for a while, because Havoc will say that if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for Marty Ma, he wouldn't be I think
Speaker 1: that's what happened.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a good argument. And also I
Speaker 4: just want to say, I'm drinking tequilo.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's an upper yes, yes.
Speaker 4: And I'm also drinking copper natural. This is alcohol, this
Speaker 4: is worth and I'm smoking marijuana is from there, and
Speaker 4: this has no and there's no attitudes. Mister Lee, thank you. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: but yeah, so I'm gonna go with have it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go have it. I'm gonna go yeah, because
Speaker 4: I think that's his body of work is incredible. I mean,
Speaker 4: just growing up in that I didn't start listening to
Speaker 4: rapp until ninety three. I'm an R and B guy.
Speaker 4: My favorite artist s WV. I I met him for
Speaker 4: the first time.
Speaker 2: W Yeah, I thought you was gonna say, Bobby Oh no,
Speaker 2: Bobby Brown, No, no, no.
Speaker 4: I'm SVV for the first time in my life. A
Speaker 4: year ago, I couldn't even.
Speaker 1: Move drink chance.
Speaker 11: They never been.
Speaker 1: No, let me get let me get the I ain't
Speaker 1: even talking that.
Speaker 4: I love s w V. And I saw him per phone.
Speaker 4: I saw him perform rain. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Marry performed last week.
Speaker 5: I want to be skipping in the next one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Phil Jackson or pat Riley kill Jackson? Okay,
Speaker 1: obviously you and pat Riley squashed it. You have people,
Speaker 1: pat I see you scream. Let me tell you what happened.
Speaker 1: Person everything only person. I see floboard.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you what happened. Who's the editor?
Speaker 1: Your hand? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh you see?
Speaker 4: Now check out you see how you raise his hand right.
Speaker 4: The cameras on him. So the cameras on him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because he didn't want to say he was an editor,
Speaker 4: and so thank you for that.
Speaker 11: All right?
Speaker 4: So now who edited to that?
Speaker 11: Who is the editor?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, because man, come on.
Speaker 11: Man, you can tell the story, right.
Speaker 4: So okay, So what happened was I'm playing against the heat?
Speaker 1: I know it was Miami.
Speaker 4: I'm in Miami.
Speaker 1: I got a different.
Speaker 4: Relationship with Miami because I was putting work in that building.
Speaker 1: So but then why would I be for against Patroll?
Speaker 4: I have no reason. I never be for the heir coach,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But the way they edited.
Speaker 4: What happened was we was going at it. I'm cooking, Miami.
Speaker 4: There's nobody that could guard me. All your favorites right
Speaker 4: in that time, that time, that's a different time. So
Speaker 4: they're too small. So guys don't got me right soon.
Speaker 4: So we're just playing and we enter it. There was
Speaker 4: no fight, there was no texts, there was no flickran
Speaker 4: files right, but you got that's my that's my guy,
Speaker 4: like you know, mister gret Lamar owed him. Wait for
Speaker 4: they all hair so so those are my friends of
Speaker 4: Koran Butler. These guys my friends. But we don't have
Speaker 4: so that's that's that's the energy in the building. That's all.
Speaker 4: So then beginning or something I hate Coach Mack could do,
Speaker 4: not to do, could do what's his name? Sorry, coach mcado, Sorry,
Speaker 4: but that's so so maculdo.
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I ain't talking to him. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: a man. I didn't even think about you.
Speaker 4: He's like, what are you talking about? So for me,
Speaker 4: I said, okay, I'll stoop down to people's lovels.
Speaker 1: That's not down.
Speaker 4: But I should not be arguing to coach, so I'm like,
Speaker 4: look at you too, us up, but he started If
Speaker 4: you look at it frame by friend, you see he
Speaker 4: started the initiation right, but I was talking about you
Speaker 4: guys can't guard me.
Speaker 1: So I did point in a direction.
Speaker 4: So then anyway, and then as I was moving away
Speaker 4: talking to him, I had pat Radley that we had
Speaker 4: no confrontation.
Speaker 1: It was just I wasn't even pushing him.
Speaker 4: But I'm a big guy, like and I'm big at
Speaker 4: that time, so I'm just moving like y'all could get it.
Speaker 11: But I'm just.
Speaker 4: Right, and then pat Rally is like, calmed down, so
Speaker 4: what so so let's talk about Parally in that moment,
Speaker 4: he was just telling me to calm down. Like I've
Speaker 4: seen pat Rally. I've never had issue Parally in that moment.
Speaker 4: You see how he grabbed me. It wasn't malicious, but
Speaker 4: I just kept talking to Bob like and I kind
Speaker 4: of like yet, so that's how it looked. So me
Speaker 4: and Parral, I respect what what they're doing.
Speaker 1: You said you were you were saying something. I was
Speaker 1: talking to somebody.
Speaker 4: I was talking to somebody and then coach Marcael who
Speaker 4: popped up and then I accident you know pat Rally,
Speaker 4: and that's it.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was the moment, but.
Speaker 4: They made a story talking about it right now, looks
Speaker 4: like a him like this was between me and coach Mark,
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with coach pat Rally. And then
Speaker 4: he's a player, right, He's a player who he played
Speaker 4: for Coach Bob. He was a good player, right, shout
Speaker 4: to coaching coach Bob. This old, right, but a lot
Speaker 4: of respect as a player. I'm forty six years old.
Speaker 4: But he's also competitive. But that's how I feel right now.
Speaker 4: And in his time he was big. So what he's
Speaker 4: saying this time, I can have took you wrong. Were
Speaker 4: on some basketball shit. So we're like, yeah, I know you're.
Speaker 1: Old, but you can get it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what, they made it a story. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, better way age you are basketball.
Speaker 4: I'm still is basketball. I'm still looking at these guys.
Speaker 4: I'm sizing them up. I can't guard him, I know
Speaker 4: I can't guard him, but I'm sizing everybody up.
Speaker 1: Okay, ninety six Bulls or seventeen Warriors.
Speaker 4: Damn ninety six Bulls seven. I'm gonna go with the Bulls. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I'm definitely go with the bulls. You can't
Speaker 4: guard him.
Speaker 8: That.
Speaker 1: You can't guard Mike, all right, you can't guard Mike. Okay,
Speaker 1: Uh Kareem or Wilt Chamberlain.
Speaker 4: Wow, Kareem or Wilt Chamberlain. Okay, Well, I feel like,
Speaker 4: what's the greatest player ever? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Because of why he's done? And you look at Kareem.
Speaker 4: If you look at Kareem's body of work, you'll see,
Speaker 4: you know, you'll see that he he has an argument
Speaker 4: against Lebron. You'll see that because of the college record. Well,
Speaker 4: you look at Will look at his stats fifty and
Speaker 4: they say, oh, he couldn't have did he couldn't have
Speaker 4: done that. Today he played against Kareem abdu Jabal and
Speaker 4: he's also and Kareem played against Hakeem right right. The
Speaker 4: lineage is there? Yeah, to make so you when you
Speaker 4: look at that lineage one hundred points and.
Speaker 1: People don't really understand that.
Speaker 2: The argument about uh Kareem saying the college games, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want can you speak a little bit on it?
Speaker 4: I mean, so the argument on Kareean playing the college
Speaker 4: games is that he's won national titles at.
Speaker 1: U C l a, no, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking some other ship.
Speaker 2: But Lebron's longevity in the NBA is because he skipped
Speaker 2: four years of college.
Speaker 4: Okay, so in terms of years, they both played the
Speaker 4: same amount of time. Kareean played more, right, Yeah, played
Speaker 4: more And that's why you got to make the argument
Speaker 4: of screen because he played more years. He also went
Speaker 4: to college and he was able to sustain that greatness
Speaker 4: freshman year, right right, you know? And then yeah, so
Speaker 4: that's why people don't know about Kareem, but he has
Speaker 4: an argument to be the greatest. At some point, they're
Speaker 4: gonna do the math got at some.
Speaker 1: Point they didn't go to college. And the first year
Speaker 1: he kind of sat on the bench.
Speaker 15: Oh yeah, that's straight in there, that's true. Right, But
Speaker 15: if you think's first four years and he played on
Speaker 15: the freshman team, he played in the freshman team. Yeah,
Speaker 15: he played in the freshman team. Wow, and that does
Speaker 15: not happen today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, So Cam or Mace, yeh, that's crazy. Cam
Speaker 4: shout out the camp cams. My guy, shout out the
Speaker 4: cam because you know, I text him and that's why guy.
Speaker 4: And then Mace. I played with Mace. I know Cam's
Speaker 4: guys shout out to Calvin and and Dipset all you guys, but.
Speaker 1: Mace, it's not it's not easy.
Speaker 4: But when you look at who makes performed like he
Speaker 4: performed Biggie and we are we going to just discredit them,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna add that. And because Cam is.
Speaker 5: Also yeah, he's he was created, but Cam was signed
Speaker 5: a Biggie.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that, certainly, I didn't know. But they
Speaker 4: also Cam created Max, not created Max B. But he
Speaker 4: was in that Max B R right, they at some
Speaker 4: point in time they was working together. Max B is
Speaker 4: more Jim Jones Okay, sorry, leading Jim Jones.
Speaker 11: Yeah, all right, So.
Speaker 4: There's an argument to be made that Cam was in
Speaker 4: the group, you know what I mean, of course, And
Speaker 4: then this argument because when you look at Max B,
Speaker 4: I mean who.
Speaker 1: He came home and got on fire.
Speaker 4: I was actually signing Max B before he went in.
Speaker 4: I was trying to get him out of the Jones contract. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but then it was hard because of everything he's going through.
Speaker 4: But I was trying to I was trying to get
Speaker 4: that contract.
Speaker 1: He was trying to sign Max B just to buy him.
Speaker 1: Jim Jones, Oh, okay, because it sounds like you said
Speaker 1: you was signing to Max.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no business.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 4: It's on YouTube is a video shout out the map.
Speaker 4: It's good to see him. I don't I don't get
Speaker 4: people's business, but it's good to it's good to see
Speaker 4: him home.
Speaker 5: Okay, Shack or Wimby Man.
Speaker 4: I'm going with Shock. Thank you for asking that today. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you have bet for Shack to be for Shock.
Speaker 2: You snuffed my No, I didn't Snufflet's boxing.
Speaker 4: I saw it this morning. Man, was Brad Miller my
Speaker 4: gout in Chicago. It's only the Shock is a beast.
Speaker 4: But Brad Miller foul Shack Hall, he's in Chicago. So
Speaker 4: keep in mind this is year Lagas one. He was
Speaker 4: the worsteam and lead. We had thirteen wins. He beat
Speaker 4: the Lagas twice.
Speaker 1: But it was like one of those games. Man. He
Speaker 1: just got joked that night.
Speaker 4: So Brad foul shocked hard and then Shaq tries to
Speaker 4: punch brad head off. So what happens is Oakley goes in,
Speaker 4: So no pus you go. Oakley go right right, because
Speaker 4: if you don't go with Oakley, go but you're in
Speaker 4: the locker room it's gonna be a problem. He bought
Speaker 4: that life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he smacked in the back of the head one time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like openly double ship twice.
Speaker 2: Did you did you notice or did anybody noticed? In
Speaker 2: this last nixt run, all the old Knicks fans, the
Speaker 2: old Knick players, everybody was core sided every game.
Speaker 5: I was the only one that was Oakley. But but
Speaker 5: he came to the he got he came to the
Speaker 5: away again.
Speaker 1: He was never because you got you got last.
Speaker 4: My perspective, all right, because Opley was just as l
Speaker 4: as you.
Speaker 5: But he would do an off camera Openley.
Speaker 1: I mean he was.
Speaker 4: Definitely wasn't the same office player. Both we did the
Speaker 4: same thing. Because I was enforced I can also score.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah yeah, so I was you.
Speaker 1: A hand man?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I guess feeling too was traditional the Next,
Speaker 4: like I saw in nineteen ninety nine. I'm from New York.
Speaker 4: I was supposed to get drafted by the Knicks. Did
Speaker 4: happen whatever, long story, so, but I did play for
Speaker 4: the Next in twenty fifteen, So that was a dreaming
Speaker 4: minine to play for the Next.
Speaker 1: I got John's and the Knicks. Bro that's some real
Speaker 1: new York toos story.
Speaker 4: Man, it's not quite Jose Alvarade.
Speaker 1: He was over there in New Orleans something. You got
Speaker 1: to get his jersey. You would have been me if
Speaker 1: you would have won the chip on the Knicks, you
Speaker 1: would that story, Your story would have been up there
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 5: I love his story too, his story. I won his jersey, right,
Speaker 5: me too?
Speaker 4: Like I need a sign?
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too, for sure for me? Who listening, John?
Speaker 4: He got my jersey sign too. You don't want who
Speaker 4: took it back? To get a signed by jailing? So
Speaker 4: I asked us, I get my jersey, take you back?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Right, that's for sure? Ready clips of E p m D.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go e p m D because that's my era,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? I also the clips is
Speaker 4: the era, but eb m D is my era. And
Speaker 4: also I used to see Eric come through the hood.
Speaker 4: He had a he had a baby, a lady on
Speaker 4: the third floor, and I loved him in my family
Speaker 4: and I didn't even know, but I used to see him.
Speaker 9: Sermon was out there, not sermon, well that's d p
Speaker 9: m D. But not sermon one only Eric, okay, Eric Servon,
Speaker 9: Sorry cerus man.
Speaker 4: Who I think scratch. I think I'm getting it all wrong. Clips,
Speaker 4: I'm getting it all wrong. My pardon me? Rock him?
Speaker 4: Who is this?
Speaker 1: Who's this?
Speaker 4: Get it wrong? That's why I was getting wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because he's just like Eric. But I haven't thought about
Speaker 4: this in so long.
Speaker 1: So let's just take a shot for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you will see why I confuse him, Eric said,
Speaker 8: getting jammed up right there.
Speaker 1: Okay, So okay, sorry, okay, So E p m D.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with E p m D because some
Speaker 4: other reasons I think in our era A yeah, E
Speaker 4: p m D. Okay, okay, you talk more about it
Speaker 4: on their show, but I don't want.
Speaker 1: To hold that's all good? Cat well, Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 4: Right now everything, Patrick Ewing, Thanks, they're not ready. I
Speaker 4: gotta do one more? Yeah, good, Sorry, Brunton has to
Speaker 4: win again, right because he's there now, he's he's even,
Speaker 4: he's even, he's definitely even.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then but cat, Cat, we need to win it twice.
Speaker 4: Cat, we need to win twice.
Speaker 1: I feel like cat he he he was like a
Speaker 1: perfect piece of the puzzle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And they got rid of the white guy right. It
Speaker 1: was heard runs and because there was three of them
Speaker 1: that played in was about I can never say your
Speaker 1: name was?
Speaker 5: It was three of them?
Speaker 1: Are four of them?
Speaker 5: Three of them three?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Michael Bridges, Potensi O Brunson and Heart incredible and
Speaker 9: they were all on the next on.
Speaker 1: Nova since your let when they brought Michael overh okay, okay, okay, right,
Speaker 1: and it kind of kind of was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go past okay, yeah, but you make a point? You
Speaker 1: how you? And is uh like that? That's my era too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that team just as much as this team.
Speaker 1: Remember when Jordan what was it Jordan who dunked one?
Speaker 1: That was a controversy okay and win. The baseline to
Speaker 1: that was a tough Knicks team too, like that bro
Speaker 1: Anthony Mason.
Speaker 4: They went seven against the Bulls, right, so they wasn't
Speaker 4: like what it should have been team They went seven
Speaker 4: against I think in the championship right then.
Speaker 1: The Rockers, the Rocks, Rocks White Kenny Smith won both
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 11: Right, just the Rockets one of them.
Speaker 1: Yes, So that's what I would Yeah.
Speaker 11: He dunk on Pat Gotdy dunk du Pat in Game five?
Speaker 5: Charles Hopley or Dennis Robman.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Dennis, not because Charles is not
Speaker 4: my guy, right, Charles, Charles make.
Speaker 1: Me ba ahead the video game. Yeah, I'm gonna go Dennis, okay,
Speaker 1: because I want to get back to the Charles story
Speaker 1: for one second. But before that, like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: you said, probably your game is similar. But between you
Speaker 1: and Dennis, rob mean you could use the score off.
Speaker 1: He was considered that enforced as well, and a rebounder.
Speaker 4: Correct, there wasn't hopefully, no, no, no, no, Dennis wasn't
Speaker 4: enforcing rebounding for sure because in the lockdown and also
Speaker 4: an individual lockdown player, right.
Speaker 1: Because his story kind of reminded me of you and
Speaker 1: Kobe's story, like how Jordan went against him and then
Speaker 1: kind of like that's why I always start and then
Speaker 1: kind of kind of like then didn't play robbing because like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wanted because I think that's when Jordan's lost to
Speaker 1: the Pistols and he felt like his crew was was soft,
Speaker 1: so he recruited. Uh yeah, I actually I think Thomas
Speaker 1: about this too, so ironic.
Speaker 4: But Dennis also score, he could move her athletics, so
Speaker 4: Dennis can like like like locked up right magic at
Speaker 4: some point in time, not all the time.
Speaker 1: But he can get it.
Speaker 4: He can get into Lebron like Dennis defense.
Speaker 1: Was elite's that's the difference. Break rebounded.
Speaker 2: He could run up the Yeah, but his stat would
Speaker 2: be like three points thirty rebounds.
Speaker 1: Crazy book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was doing his job though he was supposed
Speaker 5: to do right.
Speaker 11: He may call him the worm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love doing ninety one. Yeah, I got suspended high
Speaker 4: in expected gets suspended in this jersey. I wanted to
Speaker 4: with the championship in this jersey, but I want ninety.
Speaker 1: One for Dennis. He just did That's dope. He was
Speaker 1: all he was an ill rebound that he was an
Speaker 1: l dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen Dennis performing. He I've seen him in Houston.
Speaker 4: He was performing. You know, you'll be all athletes do music,
Speaker 4: Dennis lack of music. You should have him opened up
Speaker 4: somewhere the show. It was dope.
Speaker 1: He was. Yeah, I love Donnish.
Speaker 5: We took my I think you made perform.
Speaker 1: He had up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just people.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, it's a certain crowd. You get two
Speaker 1: for one, you know, it's a certain crowd brings out
Speaker 1: that brings out that.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So with the Carell Yeah, North Korea, Yeah, Yeah, but
Speaker 12: he didn't.
Speaker 5: I said that, didn't you go to Greece.
Speaker 4: I went to Greece to do an album, to.
Speaker 1: Do an album, I thought it was to play for
Speaker 1: the Greece team.
Speaker 4: Now I went there. I went to play in Italy. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 4: after my last two years in my career.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 4: I just I just took a trip because it was
Speaker 4: like I'm in my line every day, I impositive out.
Speaker 4: I went out there for three months, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: Played. I love Italy.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Greece actually is a is a group called
Speaker 4: Active Member. They dope and I listened to the music.
Speaker 4: It's the only album I listened to, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And it's like Marv Deef is like Marv Deep.
Speaker 4: They call it Active Member, they don't and I don't
Speaker 4: know what they're saying to this day, honestly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, So ha kum or David Robinson.
Speaker 4: M m I'm gonna go Hakim because yeah, I came,
Speaker 4: was just like guy. People say he would have beat
Speaker 4: Mike if Michael's dead, by the way, so that's the debate.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think Mike would have won
Speaker 4: two more titles.
Speaker 1: But or if Mike was there, right, he was there?
Speaker 4: Like what what would have happened if Michael's dead?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, bigs one of the main That should be
Speaker 1: a big that should be a drink chair sports discussion.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna finish this time. You're gonna go back
Speaker 1: into the interview.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, for sure, I'm good.
Speaker 1: This is the last one. It's called loyalty or respect?
Speaker 1: Which one you take it? You could take you can
Speaker 1: take both and take a shot. Take a shot, take
Speaker 1: a shot, cheers. Dam So that makes you saying both?
Speaker 4: Would I got to pick one?
Speaker 1: Okay, you can.
Speaker 4: I think I had to pick one. I would say
Speaker 4: respect because you never do something in that respect. Okay
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because like people got their lives,
Speaker 4: Like I can't hold somebody. I don't know what's not thinking.
Speaker 4: I don't control you. So if I have to pick
Speaker 4: on Pip respect, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: The baby sit you? Yeah, that's kidding me.
Speaker 4: I love telling that story saying it's like I'm like
Speaker 4: in New York, we're a little different. We have a
Speaker 4: lot of these different little competitions like who hood is better?
Speaker 4: In your hood? You have other little competitions, like that's
Speaker 4: what's important to us. Like, I don't care how much
Speaker 4: I'm not. I'm not making a point with you based
Speaker 4: on how much money I made. I'm having a point
Speaker 4: where you based off this street. And I think that
Speaker 4: my you know, my daughter having a baby with the content.
Speaker 1: Sorry he's.
Speaker 4: That's my son in law.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 4: So I got three kids, three of my grandchildren from Compton.
Speaker 1: All right, so now we on Compton's westructions. So we
Speaker 1: have a discussion.
Speaker 5: Got a block on court bombed in ahead? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah they do. Oh yeah, he's getting excited.
Speaker 4: I remember, like you know, they don't say certain stuff, no, no.
Speaker 1: No, but but but but did you know that was
Speaker 1: say what she was baby said, go back to yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah did you did you know that legend?
Speaker 4: Six months? So my mom because Roxxayanne grew up in
Speaker 4: homes bing okay, and my mom will pay you rock
Speaker 4: saying fifty cents. I think fifty it's back to then,
Speaker 4: I think fifty cent. My mom told me to baby
Speaker 4: sit me how six months?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 4: So that I'm like so proud of that.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a responsibity.
Speaker 11: It was that she continued, Yeah, she is right, fifty cents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she wasn't fifty dollars, I bet tell you.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean, wait, so.
Speaker 1: Fixated. We don't know what they're right, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think fifty cents.
Speaker 4: It's like a dollar, right when you're when you're at
Speaker 4: thirteen years old, right, But anyway, I'm so happy about
Speaker 4: whenever the was and uh and then also to say
Speaker 4: that she was one of the greatest, but that's a
Speaker 4: whole nother discussion.
Speaker 1: Was one of the greatest.
Speaker 5: She's the thing. Component to the store.
Speaker 4: With the same.
Speaker 1: I'm your money, came.
Speaker 4: The phone crazy and they go on my doctor, I
Speaker 4: got doctor the choet Stone. Now keep in mind, I
Speaker 4: negotiate my own stuff, right.
Speaker 5: So they used you guys, yes, yeah, guess me, yes, okay.
Speaker 4: And actually I didn't even know you guys on the
Speaker 4: film util I saw you. I called me and say,
Speaker 4: hold on, how do you negotiate this? Okay, okay, but
Speaker 4: they got me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: That's another thing. So anyway, Compone says, you know, run
Speaker 4: she never been wrapping you said, you know. Components say, like,
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't know if he was gonna make
Speaker 4: it to forty five. So now, okay, so let's pause that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, friends, I didn't make it. So he yes,
Speaker 4: I love, I love you got friends? I shoe hold
Speaker 4: drink from okay cool, I ain't no, it ain't alcohol,
Speaker 4: but it ain't no slouch. Come on, take this out
Speaker 4: that has done a slough, all right. So then he
Speaker 4: says that, So I say, hold on, you inspired me
Speaker 4: to wrap? How are you gonna tell me when you're
Speaker 4: the guy that inspired me to wrap? I actually hit
Speaker 4: up Norya because it took me three months to respond
Speaker 4: to Nord because somebody said something. And then so I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my goodness, and get it. Can can
Speaker 4: I get into it?
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 5: You don't remember, I'm gonna follow your.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I knew he was gonna talk about it,
Speaker 1: cause it's funny.
Speaker 5: There anyway, party you're talking, I did it, you did
Speaker 5: you did the dog, And.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I didn't like the terms and conditions
Speaker 4: of your terms. I didn't get a chance to negotiate
Speaker 4: you but ideal. But anyway, I see back to the poem, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then back so a.
Speaker 5: Poem like he said, I forgot what poem said?
Speaker 4: He said that I shouldn't be rapping. And you know,
Speaker 4: I ain't know what wrong I was gonna make.
Speaker 1: It past forty five. I'm like, pum, hold on the chill.
Speaker 4: I didn't say none of this stuff. I'm gonna maybe
Speaker 4: it past forty five. And also what was I doing?
Speaker 4: And then like, you know, you should have called me.
Speaker 4: They told me, you know. And then also but I'm
Speaker 4: thinking about it and seeing that, right, I think about
Speaker 4: like laky, you know what I mean, Like like and
Speaker 4: people said my brother Wally Clark, right, so it's like,
Speaker 4: why would I reach out to Lakey Because I want
Speaker 4: to see how people do better, Right, That's why I would.
Speaker 1: Reach out to I ain't think about little beef you had?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, anything get into it much bold, that's
Speaker 1: nothing even third.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I forgot that was Yeah, so you look like
Speaker 5: a lot from.
Speaker 1: I never shot you take this shot.
Speaker 4: But it's like things because I'm always bringing back things
Speaker 4: to a business perspective, but people don't know what we do, right,
Speaker 4: So when people say certain things like don't see that,
Speaker 4: you know, because we're trying to get it, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. But like, but yeah, so I forgot
Speaker 4: where I was at.
Speaker 1: We were talking about box saying being your babysitting that.
Speaker 4: Is it's legendary, is legendary, like yeah, a lot of
Speaker 4: legendary stuff. Man being from Queenslands was crazy. And we
Speaker 4: was talking about our guys. It was like, so if
Speaker 4: people are saying that athletes are not making the right
Speaker 4: moves financially, right, but you got to but people don't
Speaker 4: see the flip side. I was talking them, So you
Speaker 4: have some guys name about to have so I can't wait.
Speaker 4: I think three must just find Yeah, because I wanted
Speaker 4: to make sure I say the right way, I said,
Speaker 4: I got to call.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy and this is this is the
Speaker 1: regular and everybody is here so wrong hit me and
Speaker 1: was like yo, I didn't like what these guys said.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, cool, So I went
Speaker 1: to look for the footage. So I had to actually
Speaker 1: like pull it up and I still don't see what
Speaker 1: you saw. So leision yes, because I think you said
Speaker 1: it was a face expression.
Speaker 11: Yes, okay, so check it out.
Speaker 4: So anyway, when I look at or remember what I
Speaker 4: said earlier that when we was at Hawaii, but I said,
Speaker 4: that's the guy you need for media.
Speaker 1: So media.
Speaker 4: You're in media business, right, right, right. So now we
Speaker 4: as people from the culture, we're just trying to make
Speaker 4: it right, you know.
Speaker 1: Because I think I think what they said was fifties
Speaker 1: vitamin water deal. Yes, yes, came from people in Queens, yes, people.
Speaker 4: Uh, and I wanted to talk about it. I wanted
Speaker 4: to have a chance, and.
Speaker 1: They said, but it was originally your deal.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, So basically this is two thousand and seven.
Speaker 11: Okay, right, So what they didn't understand I heard.
Speaker 4: I heard this actual, Yeah, two thousand and seven it was,
Speaker 4: and they talked about it. Maybe we have to knowrry.
Speaker 4: I probably could have begged them to get on the show.
Speaker 4: But there's the reason we hear exactly. But yeah, so
Speaker 4: they said, you know, Bron missed out on the deal
Speaker 4: vitamin water two thousand whatever, and you know, you know
Speaker 4: what's crazy. And I'm just trying to act what they said.
Speaker 4: It's not like mocking them, my guys, but it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, they said and assumed that it was a
Speaker 4: dumb move. Now, yeah, it was a dumb.
Speaker 1: Move because they said that you or you quote me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, yeh, that you asked, you asked to
Speaker 1: get paid up front, when they yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, they won the two hundred and thirty five
Speaker 4: thousand from you. Yeah, just to get right to the
Speaker 4: bullet points. What's why are we here today? Coke and
Speaker 4: Vitamin Water invests two point two point three point four
Speaker 4: whatever point ten? First point was investing for equity. I
Speaker 4: didn't know what he was two thousand and seven when
Speaker 4: ops you know, Ops, Yeah, well he hit me up.
Speaker 4: My guy, say your vitamin Water want to offer you
Speaker 4: a deal because in the community, I was marketing vitamin
Speaker 4: water because I ran the basketball for a certain amount
Speaker 4: of time. They was given my players free vitamin water.
Speaker 11: I'm like, Yo, these.
Speaker 4: Dudes is dope. I don't know who they are putting.
Speaker 1: Yo, I'm gonna put you your name on our jersey.
Speaker 4: I got y'all so in my documentary that you were
Speaker 4: on Yes, vitamin Water. They offered me that deal because
Speaker 4: I did them a favor and activated them in the community.
Speaker 4: I didn't think about that as till I just think
Speaker 4: about you giving my kids water, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So I don't know I still know equity as so anyway,
Speaker 4: at that time, I turned that deal down because I'm like,
Speaker 4: pay me think about it. I'm trying to play basketball.
Speaker 4: But also I got a man team, and I'm trying
Speaker 4: to bring my people up, and we're just trying to
Speaker 4: do this. So you wrapping up the time as weping.
Speaker 4: I'm alsto rapping, and then too many of us was rapping.
Speaker 4: I said, another story. And I tell my guys all
Speaker 4: the time, I don't wret nothing. But we had good time.
Speaker 4: But but in that deal situation, I ain't know what
Speaker 4: equity was. We're on the block on twelve Street, were
Speaker 4: smoking the blunt. I'm going there with a tank top
Speaker 4: and then blunts with my hand not even cut.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: To the media and people would shame that, But what
Speaker 4: I would say is that was my moment in time.
Speaker 4: I'm looking up to somebody different.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: When I came into the league, we were just saying, okay,
Speaker 4: in our neighborhood, you have a certain amount of capital.
Speaker 4: What are you going to do with that capital is
Speaker 4: on your mind?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: How are you going to ten next step? That's what
Speaker 4: we're call an investment today. How we were ten x
Speaker 4: stack grand car doing my man right and whatever? You
Speaker 4: know what I mean, We're all in business. So for me,
Speaker 4: I got friends that now I'm in a professional environment
Speaker 4: with different type of communication. So I say the thing
Speaker 4: it it could hurt you. I can't be around you,
Speaker 4: and I also don't want to be around like certain communications.
Speaker 4: I'm in the league.
Speaker 5: So okay, you keep it.
Speaker 1: No, no, because so what turned you off is because
Speaker 1: they asked ask you for money.
Speaker 14: I'm talking about the vitamin will thank you for bad
Speaker 14: But this is all this all going into the deal.
Speaker 11: Okay, but yeah, you can cover.
Speaker 4: You off any time because.
Speaker 1: You know, because I'm just trying to understand this.
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: So and usually all the other deals that you were doing,
Speaker 1: they were giving you like an advance, like that's what
Speaker 1: we were saying.
Speaker 4: You get like five thousand dollars. So you're making a
Speaker 4: million dollars right, right, And let's say you're making a
Speaker 4: million dollars your first year nineteen years old, like wow,
Speaker 4: I just got money from Mike Delaurier and tell you
Speaker 4: fifteen dollars. I needed this, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's like you're thinking everything right. So then but
Speaker 4: if somebody give you five thousand cash, you excited about that.
Speaker 4: You should not be excited about five, but a lot
Speaker 4: of people are excited about five thousand. I'm not disrespecting
Speaker 4: five thousand, but I'm saying the five thousand should be
Speaker 4: aligned with your brain, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get into that too much, but
Speaker 4: so at this point I'm getting foped out. Maybe ninety thousand,
Speaker 4: me and Priory, you did the show. We got ninety
Speaker 4: thousand Vegas two thousand. That's good money, I think in
Speaker 4: two thousand, cool I just gained them ninety thousand. That's
Speaker 4: myfy miss records.
Speaker 1: That's good money.
Speaker 4: Such check it. Ye know, we had in Vegas and
Speaker 4: fast the long story short, and six people showed up
Speaker 4: to the show. Honestly, that show ended with two people.
Speaker 4: Now keep in mind as a story I would tell
Speaker 4: because it's really funny.
Speaker 1: We know who mob is.
Speaker 4: Of course, the marketing was wrong, it was crazy. But anyway,
Speaker 4: I did things like that. You know what, At what.
Speaker 5: Point were we No, I'm trying to ask you, So
Speaker 5: the vitamin did?
Speaker 1: This is all that time?
Speaker 4: Thank you for bringing me back to that. This all
Speaker 4: that time. So there's nothing I didn't like about the deal.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what equity was. I just came off
Speaker 4: the block. So what I wanted to tell the gentleman
Speaker 4: was like, let's tell the whole story, because the way
Speaker 4: you because if you made, I can't assume like someone's dumb,
Speaker 4: like somebody's going through something like band two. For example,
Speaker 4: I went to school band two. I had ninety average.
Speaker 4: Band two passed every test for one hundred. I went
Speaker 4: to school band two. I got things about.
Speaker 1: That's my guy.
Speaker 4: So what I saw was a scholar. But sometimes you
Speaker 4: could be a scholar in the hood and not no
Speaker 4: navigation of life. Yeah, and I was an architect based
Speaker 4: I went to Saint John's. Okay, my Nagel architecture, you know,
Speaker 4: the damn in Princeton. Send me a letter. That don't
Speaker 4: matter because I don't have what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I did not have.
Speaker 4: And that's okay because you could get it along.
Speaker 1: The way or hire somebody to get it. Well hiring,
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 4: As a corporation, you're gonna hire without a financial model.
Speaker 4: And that's the decisions the athletes are making, right, is
Speaker 4: you gonna hire, You're gonna have a financial model. So
Speaker 4: when you make it into league, you need a model.
Speaker 4: Do you have how many? How many did you have
Speaker 4: a financial moddle? So then but that's so important if
Speaker 4: you're going to shame someone for what they lost.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 10: It happens to be talking about how he had an
Speaker 10: opportunity to slide signed rin. Yeah it happened, that's what.
Speaker 4: But that's what.
Speaker 5: But I went back, I.
Speaker 1: Went back as me, and you spoke about it, like
Speaker 1: you said, it was like a probably a three months man.
Speaker 1: And that's so I had. And then I talked to
Speaker 1: you again and when you said that, the part that
Speaker 1: that I think you said to me was like, man,
Speaker 1: it's his face how he said it? Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And I had went back and I went back and
Speaker 1: I looked and I really didn't.
Speaker 5: See what you're seeing.
Speaker 4: Okay, let me tell you what I see. Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: because I love these guys and we spoke and shout
Speaker 4: out to but I really wanted to speak to him.
Speaker 4: But I didn't know how that's not Cordora telling about
Speaker 4: how I feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it seemed like they said.
Speaker 4: What I'm trying to do is encourage people like us,
Speaker 4: like don't go to jail, like school, It's okay to
Speaker 4: build your family. No matter what you talk about, it's
Speaker 4: going to take time anyway, whether you're doing time or
Speaker 4: it's going to take you a certain amount of time.
Speaker 11: To be successful, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And it's like that's so from that perspective, I use that, okay,
Speaker 4: to build them, to make my point.
Speaker 11: Okay, we want to be like you.
Speaker 4: So we want to be like you know, screwball. That's
Speaker 4: my goal in life. They got a hit record, they're
Speaker 4: making money. I can stay out of trouble. So who
Speaker 4: has I'm on the block. I don't know what equity is,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So from that perspective, I
Speaker 4: wanted to just tell them like that, but we had
Speaker 4: a conversation. This is awesome.
Speaker 1: This is type of content I want to do.
Speaker 4: Anyway. By the way, you know, I turned down a
Speaker 4: lot of opportunities.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be clear. This is the thing. Equity
Speaker 1: doesn't mean shit. If the company company that's a new
Speaker 1: story with someone relevant or on fire, people will come
Speaker 1: with you with equity deals.
Speaker 3: Right, and in retrospective, a company blows, one of the
Speaker 3: ten companies might blow that we wouldn't nobody.
Speaker 1: Would know this. I remember when someone came to us
Speaker 1: and they that comes to us all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the day the obviously we know what equity is now, right,
Speaker 1: But they were saying, they say shares in the company, right,
Speaker 1: And sometimes that shit on paper looks very very very
Speaker 1: sexy because like you own, it could be sixty if
Speaker 1: if they do well, If that company doesn't, what happens
Speaker 1: we put in the sweat equity, the company doesn't do well.
Speaker 11: And we don't make anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the problem. Your time, time is your time
Speaker 1: and money in retrospect, they're right now in retrospect.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't have known that. And this is and knowlt
Speaker 4: known how to launch media, would have negotiated his licenses differently.
Speaker 4: But and this is what I want to say, like
Speaker 4: I want people don't give up.
Speaker 1: That's the main thing I learned from all things that
Speaker 1: you're dealing with.
Speaker 4: Learn from all things, and you don't have to continue
Speaker 4: to go down the bad route. If it's going to
Speaker 4: take you a certain amount of time, it's okay, Like
Speaker 4: don't stop. You know what I mean? Because now here
Speaker 4: I am but forty companies in a portfolio. Yeah at
Speaker 4: that time, no, right, at that time, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't because I was doing it, because I
Speaker 4: was in hood. And there's a lot of people that's
Speaker 4: in the hood that's making mistakes. But I'm trying to
Speaker 4: say is listen, you don't take debate. Try to take
Speaker 4: care of your family.
Speaker 1: You got a baby.
Speaker 4: It's okay. You don't have to be the cool and
Speaker 4: you don't have to be the cool jew all the time.
Speaker 4: So anyway, but now not to not to go at
Speaker 4: those guys because I like them. That's why I had
Speaker 4: a glory and I think it's a great conversation because
Speaker 4: now social impact is conversation. So I could have went
Speaker 4: on the show. I got a couple of million to
Speaker 4: do something like everybody else is doing it. I was
Speaker 4: that guy at one point in time.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be inspiring, and I believe entertainment
Speaker 4: is inspiring. I'm here this is for any reasons.
Speaker 1: And also Erry Alesia.
Speaker 4: They're talking about this, but I was doing this a
Speaker 4: long time ago. I was talking about social impact a
Speaker 4: long time ago. So now I feel like it's my
Speaker 4: time to talk about social impact and I think it's entertaining.
Speaker 4: Yeah here he is. Yeah, yeah, it's okay. Shout out
Speaker 4: to Leasha Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah sure man, Yeah, hold on, let.
Speaker 2: Me ask you quick my note as one of the
Speaker 2: Defensive Players of the Year.
Speaker 1: Honored as a defensive player.
Speaker 2: Who do you think in your levels of high school,
Speaker 2: college and and NBA it was the hardest to guard.
Speaker 4: College and NBA or high school? I mean, yeah, so
Speaker 4: there's people from a guy named Sharon Brown. He's from
Speaker 4: far Rockaway. I also grew up on Farkaway, you know,
Speaker 4: in the summers. So I was seventy one fifteen and
Speaker 4: Sharon Brown, what's nice show? I thought he was really good,
Speaker 4: always hard to guard. Did score forty on me in
Speaker 4: the NBA. I think Team I did score forty. That's
Speaker 4: I hate that. I hate to say that, but only
Speaker 4: like two people and three people meet Lebron. He definitely
Speaker 4: had to have forty on me. So I would say, like,
Speaker 4: but when it goes back to like DP uptown, everybody
Speaker 4: know DP. You know he's a little bit tougher than
Speaker 4: Junie Sanders. These guys could have played in the NBA.
Speaker 4: But like realistically, because because you could ask one of
Speaker 4: your friends about like who is DP or you know,
Speaker 4: or who is Sharon Brown, I would say, and now
Speaker 4: we're gonna get to write to it. Like Richard Hamilton
Speaker 4: was tough. I think Richard Hamilton for me was probably
Speaker 4: tough as like Lebron because he read it's ripped. It's
Speaker 4: a different feel. He making you run, so you gotta
Speaker 4: think about it. You can't get him like gard Meta,
Speaker 4: gotta gard him right. But I'm also to sixty he's too.
Speaker 4: Oh he ain't too. I got that's two fifty chases
Speaker 4: in that. So he would he would test you a lot,
Speaker 4: and until you put it in perspective, I played against
Speaker 4: Jordan Pla, against Kobe, play against Lebron, play against rip
Speaker 4: and when I when I put it in perspective to
Speaker 4: me personally, I got ripped obviously Lebron, Sharon Brown, you
Speaker 4: know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, channel and all all of those stages to get
Speaker 2: to a defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 11: That's a that's that's what I'm asking.
Speaker 4: I learned that. Yeah, so I learned all the tricks
Speaker 4: I was seeing New York. I was just I saw
Speaker 4: him a ready and then I also an extream ship.
Speaker 4: So when in the league, if you try to go
Speaker 4: behind the back to the legs, I've seen that so
Speaker 4: many times.
Speaker 1: I know where you're going.
Speaker 4: So I was able to like time people up and
Speaker 4: and go get it. You cannot go behind your back
Speaker 4: right now. I know you can't.
Speaker 1: This is a question from big big Rode. Right, I
Speaker 1: had a yeah, rah raheem. Johnson too, Johns you know right,
Speaker 1: that's a whole he said. He's incredible, he said, he said,
Speaker 1: And this is good for my Miami people. He said,
Speaker 1: is the truth that you before signing the Saint John's
Speaker 1: that you was going to sign to the University of
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricane.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've never heard.
Speaker 1: That from you. Yeah, damn, I can't see, because yes,
Speaker 1: it is so perfect going to Saint John's, But damn different,
Speaker 1: it would have been a whole different career you would
Speaker 1: have been in Miami Hurricane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely for sure. Like so my major was architecture.
Speaker 5: Okay, so when I was.
Speaker 4: A bad student, I was. I wasn't a great student
Speaker 4: in the beginning. Vantu was a great student. He never
Speaker 4: got less than one hundred, you know, I was. I
Speaker 4: wasn't a great student.
Speaker 1: So I was.
Speaker 4: I came into high school failing, but then I said
Speaker 4: thirteen games because because I was failing and getting into trouble.
Speaker 4: But then my average went up every year. I ended
Speaker 4: my senior year with a ninety five average. No, No,
Speaker 4: this is after see what it was?
Speaker 1: High school?
Speaker 2: I played the Little League school type ship and I
Speaker 2: played about that bringing your Yeah.
Speaker 1: We're talking about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's you again?
Speaker 11: Sorry, Sonny?
Speaker 4: Yeah, were talk about that year I played with Shamguard.
Speaker 4: So after I played high school with sham God.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that was my next question.
Speaker 4: So then, so my major was architecture, and then Miami
Speaker 4: had an architecture major program. And then so when I
Speaker 4: came to Miami, they was telling me how they was
Speaker 4: help me become architect So I was going to Miami
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 11: Yeah, talking about sham God, being that you played with
Speaker 11: him for a.
Speaker 1: Couple of years.
Speaker 11: With that experience, who do you think is the closest
Speaker 11: to his handle?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think Kyrie Irbin has a better handle than Shamguard.
Speaker 4: But I think people will say Shamguard had the best
Speaker 4: handle ever. I would I would agree, But then.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say that Kyrie evolved it.
Speaker 4: You can't pitch are Shamguard in as era because you're
Speaker 4: not here.
Speaker 1: Kyrie.
Speaker 4: You know, like rayfaul Austin, how did he take that
Speaker 4: to the league?
Speaker 1: Like skipped his son is playing too?
Speaker 4: His son playing too, and I think, so you can
Speaker 4: you can like say, Kyrie, yeah, you know, ray Folk
Speaker 4: was excellent in the league as a as a as
Speaker 4: a street ball player.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do anything with an one?
Speaker 4: I never done. I played in one tournaments. I was
Speaker 4: the one era. I got Player of the Year in
Speaker 4: New York City two thousand and eight Nike prom you know.
Speaker 4: So then I'm like, I'm playing. I know that there's
Speaker 4: a player of the Year and something. Because when I
Speaker 4: got to the league, I was I was playing in
Speaker 4: the streetball I was playing four game today while I
Speaker 4: was in the league. Didn't tell you, you know, in
Speaker 4: the summer time in my crime, in different tournaments I played.
Speaker 4: I got championships every tournament. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. So, so from that perspective,
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 11: Like, so once again, who's in this circle saying don't
Speaker 11: do that, because what do you get hurt?
Speaker 4: But I didn't need I wasn't hurt. I was still
Speaker 4: I was still dishing up, I was still dishing out paying.
Speaker 1: I ain't hurt nobody. They they the ones I'm in
Speaker 1: the streets, I'm in New York point Bastist basketball.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying like, so in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 4: they gave the MVP to Junie Sanders. It was a night.
Speaker 4: So I got a Nike m v P and Nike
Speaker 4: Pro City two thousand and eight big, it's a big one,
Speaker 4: and I got to work at MVP a lot of those.
Speaker 4: But also but that year, Junior got Player of the
Speaker 4: Year player the summer. How he playing the summer.
Speaker 1: He didn't win Nake Pro City to Juniy but how
Speaker 1: he played.
Speaker 4: But Nike didn't want to give me. They didn't want
Speaker 4: to give me a can. I'm not signing Nike. I
Speaker 4: don't got no difusion. I'll wear Nike. I'm the player
Speaker 4: of the year in the city. You're the guys that
Speaker 4: make it relevant, you know what I mean? So that
Speaker 4: year I should have been playing yet. But I say
Speaker 4: that because I mean, I mean, I really respect the players.
Speaker 4: I really respect the New York City game man. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: Like Raheen Johnson was Raheim Johnson. His man was the
Speaker 4: best player above Mike Chatfield.
Speaker 1: Raheem was the guy.
Speaker 4: That we was a level down under, right, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? Was that guy he had thirty five
Speaker 4: in the eighth grade, were watching him. He playing with
Speaker 4: the high school kids with Stephan Marlbury. Maro was on
Speaker 4: the floor. I wasn't on the floor in mart Berry
Speaker 4: at that age. And Rahee had thirty. Now rah heem
Speaker 4: was that deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be telling study. He always challenged right here,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Wow, see the pictures Hi.
Speaker 4: With Kobe Rock gave me thirty. I ds Parker Revers
Speaker 4: was him thirty? I mean you was young, and he
Speaker 4: was taller, and I played against him in encore and
Speaker 4: he gave me work. But as I got taller.
Speaker 1: But it was a certain point in time, it wasn't
Speaker 1: It was not even fair.
Speaker 5: It wasn't even fair.
Speaker 4: Man ra would have been that. Let me tell you
Speaker 4: that he stopped playing. Yeah, he looking rab like you
Speaker 4: would look at Kobe or Lebron or okay, go go
Speaker 4: step goal level. But under that, that's okay, right, that's okay.
Speaker 1: I see hear it all the time. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that I played against him because at one point that's
Speaker 1: what I felt like. I think he's one year older
Speaker 1: than you all the same you lamar old him and
Speaker 1: I forget the other players like we used to go
Speaker 1: see because remember, like you just said, far rockaway remember this.
Speaker 1: There was a it wasn't rock Up, but it was
Speaker 1: in South Jamaica and it was this dude that used
Speaker 1: to play the name. Okay, yeah, so I just remember
Speaker 1: all that error. But let me change the change the subject.
Speaker 1: Is it true you worked in Circus City the NBA? Yes,
Speaker 1: just move, but.
Speaker 4: I'm not making.
Speaker 5: I wasn't they said, they said that you were born.
Speaker 5: They it wasn't a money.
Speaker 4: Because it wasn't a money thing. But you don't have
Speaker 4: you can't get things you want and that is the
Speaker 4: money thing. But you still want to get the DVD
Speaker 4: if you buy ten for DVDs like that's doing.
Speaker 1: It was great now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I don't got the budge.
Speaker 1: I can't do you know, I gotta go to great Hair.
Speaker 5: You learned that ship Queens with top story? So which
Speaker 5: team means?
Speaker 1: Do you want to the bulls? With the bulls that
Speaker 1: paid for my car system to have price of everything?
Speaker 4: So that's where I went in.
Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, I heard you say d v D car system.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, because when the story came out,
Speaker 1: we thought that the people were making it up, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And then you see it's repeat.
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Megan was Megan was the first, you know kind
Speaker 4: of happen when we come to the He came to
Speaker 4: my first game.
Speaker 1: Oh cool man, he's in the first game. Pick up.
Speaker 4: Now came in my last game.
Speaker 1: Game and I came to your last. N came to
Speaker 1: my very last game. I was saying, course side and.
Speaker 4: I appreciated it, but damn, I wish she was there
Speaker 4: on my prime. But yeah, but but now it came
Speaker 4: in my last game.
Speaker 5: Last game was with the Knicks, right with the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Oh the Lakers, shout out tons, Oh you went after
Speaker 1: you went to the Knicks after the Lakers.
Speaker 4: Now I went to the Knicks after after it down,
Speaker 4: went back to the Lakers retiring.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, okay, that's dope. Yeah, that's dope. Now
Speaker 1: we got one thing we got to talk about is
Speaker 1: your foundation?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, let's let's end it with that
Speaker 1: because anyone's one question. Because it's also a room with
Speaker 1: that's been killing me for years. They said that Nike
Speaker 1: wouldn't give you Jordan's when you played against Jordan's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's talking about it. I love what does the
Speaker 4: thing with me and Nike? I'm a Nike guy, right,
Speaker 4: I might not be your narrative, uh huh or whatever,
Speaker 4: you know what, because there's rappers that got deals. You're
Speaker 4: telling me. I'm mean, you're telling me this rapper, this rapper.
Speaker 4: You're doing stuff with this rapper and not me. And
Speaker 4: I'm a ball player anyway. That's my own guy, Like
Speaker 4: you know, I'm that guy, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: So you wanted to wear Jordan's while you're playing against Jordan's,
Speaker 1: so like.
Speaker 4: Nike would get one player, Jordan's only one playing Korea,
Speaker 4: Jordan's deal.
Speaker 11: I love Jordan's.
Speaker 4: So Reggie Miller was that guy.
Speaker 1: So he could wear Jordan's against Jordan against Jordan.
Speaker 4: But we couldn't.
Speaker 2: Market Anna niked Nikes mark, so I love honestly.
Speaker 4: I went, I got home, I went, we got a
Speaker 4: neck hand, yeah right now, But I were a nice
Speaker 4: they can control that anyway. So what I did was
Speaker 4: I drove from Indiana after shoot a round. I drove
Speaker 4: four hours, three hours to Chicago, whatever the time was,
Speaker 4: went to the Nike store outside sixteens, drove back to Indiana, showed.
Speaker 1: Up late to the game in Indiana.
Speaker 4: But I was gonna play with some mics against Mike,
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not not playing like if I'm playing
Speaker 4: against Penny Hardaway, I need those pennies.
Speaker 2: You heard.
Speaker 4: I mean like, I'm not I know, disrespect. Anyway, that
Speaker 4: was that problem. And then I used to order sound
Speaker 4: sixteen Jordan's. Then when they told the storm.
Speaker 1: Stopped giving me his shoes in Chicago, I would call like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is Kenny. Yeah. Differently at sixteen, I will.
Speaker 4: Order sixteen and they't stop laying my phone order sixteen.
Speaker 1: That's sixteen was probably like one one.
Speaker 4: I mean, Jordan got to think about it. Jordan was
Speaker 4: he got a Defensive Player of the Year about not
Speaker 4: want to wear Michael Jordan's you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So these guys just like you know, hip hop, I'm
Speaker 4: the best defensive player in the league.
Speaker 1: Need I need to Jordan's against Jordans, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's just so much funny. I got mad notes.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, keep going.
Speaker 11: There.
Speaker 4: But it was great to play against Jordan's and Jordan's
Speaker 4: and man, we got talking about all the sportstuff on
Speaker 4: your podcast. Let's go out, Yeah we gotta do it, yeah,
Speaker 4: Dak sport, Yeah, sports and sports.
Speaker 2: You know what all those one question real quick being
Speaker 2: that you said that you worked as a regular job.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Vin Baker's latest statement. Have
Speaker 2: you heard anything about bigger with him saying that he's
Speaker 2: happy and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, but I saw that. Now
Speaker 4: that's great, man. I think like Vin Baker's at Starbucks.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that, and oh, yeah, that's even better
Speaker 4: if you you gotta do it.
Speaker 1: It's always the cliche Kevin Jackson too, my bad right, right.
Speaker 2: Of losing money per se or not making my guy,
Speaker 2: being an entrepreneur and being successful is big.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, because as athlete, people think that you make
Speaker 4: it and then something happening right now financial.
Speaker 1: Talking sports is high. It's dope to see.
Speaker 4: It's so dope to see, man, because I think it's
Speaker 4: really entertaining and I think it's really like we tell
Speaker 4: our mistakes to get back to the youth, and that's
Speaker 4: a that's better than the story of saying something to
Speaker 4: encourage them to do something.
Speaker 11: Silly, you know what I mean, or to know better.
Speaker 4: So then but Vin Baker is like, yeah, he worked
Speaker 4: at Stobbucks, that's okay, and it came up and now
Speaker 4: he's a coach, and like, if you're an athlete. At
Speaker 4: some point, you're gonna have to retire. So now, yeah,
Speaker 4: you gotta you have to do something different, which is
Speaker 4: why I'm lucky enough. He said what I said, Like
Speaker 4: you said, no matter what it is, you have to
Speaker 4: do something different. I had to do something different at
Speaker 4: some point in time. I'm lucky enough to be around NAS,
Speaker 4: like to see NASCAR from rapping two you get of
Speaker 4: the men. Yeah, tech, Yep. I'm lucky enough to, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of follow that career. Lucky enough to follow this career.
Speaker 4: And we have those people that can inspire you, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 11: So I like the Foundation.
Speaker 4: Foundation ar Test Education Foundation. I launched it in two
Speaker 4: thousand and I launched it in two thousand and seven
Speaker 4: because I got paid for to go to Lasal Academy
Speaker 4: by mister Ernest Lutch. And he paid he Chris Mullen
Speaker 4: Mark Jackson ran through that program. Everybody go through that
Speaker 4: program where I saw our church. So he paid for
Speaker 4: me to go to Lasal Academy. When I made it
Speaker 4: to the MB, I started to give ten scholarships a year.
Speaker 4: I actually gave and left a scholarship to Maceell Academy.
Speaker 4: If I would give ten scholarships a year to go
Speaker 4: to school. I also gave college scholarships ethology to West
Speaker 4: Virginia from Queens Bridgton. And then in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 4: I mean it was becoming it was just cash out
Speaker 4: of pocket. It was like, you know, because these people
Speaker 4: helped me, so I want to help. So then I
Speaker 4: started to turn it into a five to one C
Speaker 4: three in two thousand and seven because I didn't know
Speaker 4: what a five to one C three was coming out
Speaker 4: of I don't know what a five one C three is.
Speaker 4: But then when I said, yeah, you can actually give
Speaker 4: scholarships and write it off, so I started to do
Speaker 4: that and it's legal. So that was called Excel University.
Speaker 4: And then why would I name it Excel Because if
Speaker 4: I'm giving scholarships the kids to go to school, I'm
Speaker 4: based in college. So I just named it an Excel University.
Speaker 4: But we didn't have a thesis, a theme, a mission.
Speaker 4: I don't know what a mission, thesis them is at
Speaker 4: that time. But anyway, I changed it to Artest University
Speaker 4: for branding. So now it's Artest University. I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 4: Artest University right now, but the website is art Test
Speaker 4: Education Foundation dot org. And it's really for a group
Speaker 4: of eighteen and up where we're teaching curriculum and literacy
Speaker 4: and health, sports and finance.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: So initially we were trying to become a university. But
Speaker 4: you gotta crawl, walk in then run.
Speaker 11: Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So we're crawling right now our Test Education Foundation, and
Speaker 4: right now we have curriculums that you can explore if
Speaker 4: you want to be in finance, health or sports.
Speaker 11: So so students are graduating, we're just launching.
Speaker 4: So my son jeron our tests as a developer and
Speaker 4: he went to us use USC in a cinematic art school.
Speaker 1: Is great.
Speaker 4: He's actual developer. So we're building out the product right now.
Speaker 4: You know, we have a product is artest Education Foundation
Speaker 4: dot org. We also have Icarus dot org is one
Speaker 4: of our other education products Easycarelink dot com. That's our
Speaker 4: nursing staffing company. So what we're trying to do is
Speaker 4: give people like things, read it and know you want
Speaker 4: to give it back to you and how do you
Speaker 4: funnel people into guidance. So he said, you know what
Speaker 4: for us is Artists Education Foundation dot org and I
Speaker 4: can get more into it. Yeah, but I just I just.
Speaker 1: Got this information. Man as well. You were Raheem played
Speaker 1: against Kobe Bryant in propertence.
Speaker 4: Oh man, yeah crazy ye.
Speaker 1: So check it out.
Speaker 4: So yeah it's great. Yeah, you can move any which way,
Speaker 4: so check it So can I just walk quick?
Speaker 1: Please? I'm bad.
Speaker 4: I went come on, got any issues like, come on,
Speaker 4: don't not make me a head coach.
Speaker 1: But so, so this is back in the days, this
Speaker 1: is before Kobe hit the league. You and Raheem played against.
Speaker 5: Him, and yeah, one game in the tournament.
Speaker 4: So we was in Providence coach Kevin Jackson, Vin Jackson
Speaker 4: Smith was there?
Speaker 1: Was you playing for am High?
Speaker 4: I played for am High?
Speaker 1: Was this was this High?
Speaker 5: Okay, let's go, Let's go all right?
Speaker 4: So I worked out with Vince for the first time
Speaker 4: after Gacho Jim. I got kept from Amy High.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Eric Chafford who played in high school, we got championship together,
Speaker 4: Mike Chafford brother. So I lost the spot to Erica,
Speaker 4: but I went to every game.
Speaker 1: I was heated.
Speaker 4: I went to every game. I wanted to show him
Speaker 4: I'm dedicated. So I went to every game Am High
Speaker 4: and I didn't play. Raheem was on that team, right,
Speaker 4: right right, and then I made I made the team
Speaker 4: the next year because I was I should have been playing,
Speaker 4: but I showed him why then I made the team.
Speaker 4: He put me on the singing team. Here right here,
Speaker 4: he put me on the sing team. I'm I'm sixty five,
Speaker 4: but I saw coss I who have to date that?
Speaker 4: So I'm six three and a half. Okay, okay at
Speaker 4: that point. And then it's a great story. So Sham
Speaker 4: guards on the team. That's Shahan Holloween, Shan Hollowey head
Speaker 4: Coachy Hall. So we all have a team with Dwayne
Speaker 4: Edwich who and then and Sham and Ryhan. I'm coming
Speaker 4: off the bench. I'm at the end. You also have
Speaker 4: shar Anyways, other players something. Kobe is killing. I don't
Speaker 4: get into the fourth he has thirty two Jackson run.
Speaker 4: I'm run at the time. Kevin's a personality, Yes he is. Yes,
Speaker 4: you got to have him in the show.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course, off.
Speaker 4: Will so so ket Jackson get in the game and
Speaker 4: put me on Kobe. So then Kobe had eight points
Speaker 4: on me, said he did in with forty and we
Speaker 4: talked about this, so I can talk about this. But
Speaker 4: he had eight points on me, right a right maybe six.
Speaker 4: He said he was on that team from off right.
Speaker 4: He was starting Raheem was not going to Kobe. He
Speaker 4: was not the best offender, but he was okay, good readback.
Speaker 4: And I think Shan was gone Dwayne Dwayne Edwards was
Speaker 4: going Kobe.
Speaker 1: I think Shan was gone.
Speaker 4: I got shared he was going Kobe. But then they
Speaker 4: you know, but then they needed me on Kobe.
Speaker 1: But right, he was on that team.
Speaker 4: And fast forward and could you got to get flowers,
Speaker 4: Trahan Johnson.
Speaker 1: I always do it. I've been doing.
Speaker 4: I think you a flowers to Rhem form day one.
Speaker 4: I'm a day one righteem guy?
Speaker 1: Did he know that? But yeah, he was on that game.
Speaker 4: He played very well at least Rightian Johnson, he's talking
Speaker 4: about twenty Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me just like, because Kobe is a Philadelphia
Speaker 1: player at the time, he's Philly's Philly Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: is he the man in Philly.
Speaker 4: Because he went to Italy with his dad. I heard
Speaker 4: on the stories. He would have to tell me his age.
Speaker 4: I can tell you where I was at if you
Speaker 4: something how old he was. But he was away for
Speaker 4: a long time because his dad was overseas. Wow, his
Speaker 4: dad from Mury Bertram, Philadelphia. My my dad went to
Speaker 4: Mary Bertram.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: My dad went to Mary Bertram. My dad from Philly.
Speaker 5: Oh, I didn't know Phill the Bridge.
Speaker 4: I'm from the Bridge. My dad from Philly.
Speaker 1: And then we covered this and I think said, did
Speaker 1: you send mad kids from Queensbridge to Catholic School?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we sent a lot of kids. We had We
Speaker 4: had a great program. Jose was running the actual Stummer League,
Speaker 4: so we had a triple threat. And even Lance Stevenson
Speaker 4: played in that league. People come to me and say
Speaker 4: they played in the league. I don't even know even
Speaker 4: like I think my god Green from the Spurs wown. Yeah,
Speaker 4: my god, Danny Green. Danny Green, he said he played
Speaker 4: triple crests.
Speaker 1: So we have dad Wow.
Speaker 4: And then we have and then so from that, that
Speaker 4: was a spin off for all the scholarships we was given.
Speaker 4: So we gave a lot of people scholarships.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 4: It was feeling.
Speaker 11: Yeah, man with the girls basketball.
Speaker 4: Now I'm doing girls basketball. I'm trying to get.
Speaker 5: Into the league before you go slim that.
Speaker 1: And I know you you don't.
Speaker 5: You definitely don't have to.
Speaker 10: And I know you coached girls basketball you would never
Speaker 10: do one season with the Big Three, if you know.
Speaker 1: I did the Big Three, but my money wasn't good.
Speaker 11: Okay, wow, But I.
Speaker 4: Wanted to invest. I didn't want the contract. Whatever you're
Speaker 4: gona pay me and put it in. I want to
Speaker 4: want to to next to five exits. And then they
Speaker 4: turned it down. So I was gonna But did they
Speaker 4: my guys, I can see why.
Speaker 12: So I did.
Speaker 4: I played. I played in the Big Three, but I
Speaker 4: ain't playing a while. I would like for them to
Speaker 4: take my investment at that same valuation. What am I
Speaker 4: drug deal athletes?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: And now if you're selling for that X now keep
Speaker 4: in mind, only really care about it, honestly. But it's
Speaker 4: a great thing to discuss because financial literacy is hot
Speaker 4: right now, you know what I mean, it's hot right
Speaker 4: now about a year one, a long time ago.
Speaker 11: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Even even all the smoke. Shout out to my god,
Speaker 4: got Jacky playing the game and together.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I did choet on the is in the first
Speaker 4: ever launch of show Sports. So I was supposed to
Speaker 4: do the podcast about turn it down because principle, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, it's like everybody trying to make money.
Speaker 4: You want to ask me, are you in this for
Speaker 4: the money? I mean I think so, yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean you can have a value.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 4: But of course yeah, everybody's so. Now, yeah, a return
Speaker 4: on your ROI R return from your from your credit
Speaker 4: or debt financier you're getting it from. So everybody's trying
Speaker 4: to create r o I. So now I pass on
Speaker 4: opportunities and I'm happy to see my guys win. I
Speaker 4: talked to Stack for an hour on the phone about publication.
Speaker 1: This is the publication business.
Speaker 4: This is media, right, So my guy, I think I
Speaker 4: would have negotiate terms like this Here I say it,
Speaker 4: and I'm happy to winning. But as the principle, I
Speaker 4: don't care if you're gonna tell me, well, I'll give
Speaker 4: somebody else to deal if you don't want to get
Speaker 4: me the deal, because I'm reading all the red lines right.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, okay, give it to my guys. We
Speaker 4: all win. But if that's saying situation wasn't reverse when
Speaker 4: I heard it, I'm not. I can't work with you,
Speaker 4: not kind. I don't like you because you don't respect.
Speaker 4: You're looking at a narrative. We don't got to always
Speaker 4: entertain So anyway, from that perspective, like you know, it's
Speaker 4: things like that that we could talk about, and it's
Speaker 4: not to really attack the other side. It's more to
Speaker 4: give it a different respective people not hearing these stories,
Speaker 4: you know. So anyway, was.
Speaker 1: Matt Harper one of your toughest players besides Lebron? Matt Harping?
Speaker 1: I like Matt Harping, and thanks for bringing this up, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: This is awesome. So I threw it out there. It
Speaker 4: was like, who is who you miss playing the most?
Speaker 4: Who's your toughest opponent? I said, Matt Harping. But that
Speaker 4: didn't catch momentum media from media perspective, so I go
Speaker 4: back to like Lebron. But the reason I say Matt
Speaker 4: Harpring is because when me and Matt Harping used to
Speaker 4: play with football, it was we never we never fought,
Speaker 4: we never threw punctures, but it was great. It was
Speaker 4: physical and I missed Mad And when he retired, I
Speaker 4: was I was retiring. I'm like, damn, we're playing in Utah.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to play against Mad. It's do on
Speaker 4: the sideline, I said, man, what you're doing retired? That's
Speaker 4: my God, they're trying to break my shoulder one time,
Speaker 4: like he almost broke my shoulder, and I was like,
Speaker 4: that's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: That's a good because he was.
Speaker 4: Boxing me, I caught my shoulder paulted and poulted out
Speaker 4: of socket.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, I was like, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, that's my guy anyway, But yeah,
Speaker 4: I missed mad Wow.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the competition thing no more.
Speaker 2: When from that perspective, it's not only when and attack
Speaker 2: is compete at the highest level.
Speaker 4: He would do anything. He would do anything then. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but we really only had we had a relationship like that.
Speaker 4: I had a relationship like that other places.
Speaker 5: Yeah, besides the.
Speaker 1: Big Three? Do you do you actually miss the game? Period? Oh?
Speaker 4: Big three is great.
Speaker 1: I love the Big Three. I actually tried to raise
Speaker 1: with the NBA.
Speaker 5: Do you miss being an NBA?
Speaker 4: NBA sorry NBA? Yeah, Oh I love the NBA. When
Speaker 4: I first retired, it was hard, so I told my
Speaker 4: whole team, I don't want to be around the NBA.
Speaker 4: You know why, because I had a long career. My
Speaker 4: career was different from people. Also for other people, I
Speaker 4: don't care what they say so I did eighteen, So
Speaker 4: I took a long break, but I love that I
Speaker 4: missed the NBA. You see, when you first retire, you
Speaker 4: want to play. When you first retire, you see a
Speaker 4: player you want to play. But I think when you
Speaker 4: get older, you become a fan. Now I'm a big fan,
Speaker 4: like and it's great just to be a part of
Speaker 4: the NBA. We actually have a sports fund it's called
Speaker 4: a Sports Group, wow, and we're looking to invest in
Speaker 4: sports teams, uh, in sports real estate. And it's great
Speaker 4: to have a you know, to be able to still
Speaker 4: try to win and to be able to compete for
Speaker 4: a championship.
Speaker 1: That's why we.
Speaker 4: Started this, all right, we tried eighteen times, we got one,
Speaker 4: all right, cool, But now you can win more. You
Speaker 4: can still win more NBA championships. So anyway, we have
Speaker 4: a sports group. So anyway, I'm still involved with the NBA.
Speaker 4: I do a lot of community service. So I probably
Speaker 4: can't play like I would like to, but I can
Speaker 4: still I can contribute.
Speaker 5: Right, do you think you can actually still play.
Speaker 4: If I had I'm forty six, so if I had
Speaker 4: three years to train, yes, but I would need a
Speaker 4: contract because I'm not I can't train. I'm not training.
Speaker 4: Just the word guests. They would have to like pay
Speaker 4: me like now and then I can train for three years.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready. Now you'll be available eighty two games
Speaker 1: when you're fifty.
Speaker 4: Nobody's available any two games. I did play fifty, I
Speaker 4: could play maybe forty five games in the games.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't need to trade older than Lebrond in the
Speaker 1: NBA I would need. I wouldn't need two three years
Speaker 1: to get ready for you. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouln't need to three years didn't be competitive and
Speaker 1: be competing. I wouldn't need to three years NBA right now,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, three years, I can do it.
Speaker 1: I can't do it right now.
Speaker 2: No, No, let's just say G League the fundamentals coming in.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about you participating in er cheers
Speaker 2: participating in the league. Do you think G League is
Speaker 2: important the way it was back then?
Speaker 1: Where did you know?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think is ready. I like it
Speaker 4: because it's a good model. Also, you can invest in
Speaker 4: these teams. A lot of people don't know, like if
Speaker 4: you would invest invest.
Speaker 2: In the league team jail then operated by the by
Speaker 2: the big Dogs, by the NBA.
Speaker 4: They are, but they're still taking investments to a vehicle
Speaker 4: and now they now they are growing, and I love
Speaker 4: the G League.
Speaker 2: I think I can't let you finish answer that. Sorry,
Speaker 2: Is that aside parallel staying with the w n b A.
Speaker 2: Do they have the same as far you can invest
Speaker 2: w No, But I'm talking about like the G League
Speaker 2: and investing in.
Speaker 1: The w n b A don't have a G league.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, w n b A don't have a G
Speaker 4: I coached women's sports for seven years, so I'm also
Speaker 4: I'm a proponent. I kind of see what's going on.
Speaker 4: But yeah, women's sports is about to blow up. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know, I like women fastball. You missed the first
Speaker 4: you missed the first round, so that round is done.
Speaker 4: But women's fast call man just throwing the ball overhead.
Speaker 4: We always wanted to see that.
Speaker 11: They also got a volleyball professional too.
Speaker 4: Volleyball and they're making money too.
Speaker 5: But also like going back to the.
Speaker 1: The Big three.
Speaker 10: Yes, the same day Drink Champs was on Bloomberg, Yeah,
Speaker 10: ice Cube was on.
Speaker 5: They got an I p O.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying so it came back around. No, that's
Speaker 4: how I tell my guys patient patient capital?
Speaker 5: How many ten said he wanted to be what he
Speaker 5: is paid?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to come mind, that's the first
Speaker 4: conversation be able to do it. I got a little excited. Sorry,
Speaker 4: I Q he's speaking the right lad. It's important, my guy,
Speaker 4: you founded a group and your investors.
Speaker 1: I love you all.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of the investors. But this is
Speaker 4: an emotion at that point in time, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's like, accept the capital because we started that
Speaker 1: league Iverson.
Speaker 4: I thought Iverson owned some of it, but but we
Speaker 4: started that league. So when you don't accept people's money,
Speaker 4: it's like who am I? Who am I?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 11: Who am I?
Speaker 4: You don't accept my money? So anyway from that perspective,
Speaker 4: and that's an opportunity for somebody to grow wealth in
Speaker 4: the future, you know. So now you're not thinking about
Speaker 4: fast money. We think about long money, and you go
Speaker 4: against that.
Speaker 2: So this is just a lesson playing Devil's advocate as
Speaker 2: a businessman. What if IQ is like, what if it
Speaker 2: don't work? We don't want to waste him money.
Speaker 4: Seventy five thousand a lot of money. Sorry, it's a
Speaker 4: lot of money, but it's an investment. It's a venture capital,
Speaker 4: early stage, family and friends investment, like you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So anyway, from that perspective, now, I hope,
Speaker 4: I hope the Big Three put me in that valuation.
Speaker 4: I deserve it because I played yes right, and then let's.
Speaker 1: Make it a public company, go billion, making a billion
Speaker 1: dollar company.
Speaker 4: It has the potential. But I think they got to
Speaker 4: work with I think the NBA would have to work.
Speaker 4: I think they should work together somehow.
Speaker 5: But I believe they think they will.
Speaker 1: I think they will.
Speaker 4: I mean like it, but I think I guarantee you
Speaker 4: it works. You know why, I'm ice Cube and then
Speaker 4: former players.
Speaker 10: Why wouldn't black people want to build something to the
Speaker 10: highest level billion dollar couple ice.
Speaker 4: You're trying to invest, You're trying to invest.
Speaker 5: It was ice Cube one, but the X players, Yeah.
Speaker 4: We're gonna support you, by God, like we're investing in this.
Speaker 1: There's a win win win win, and we started it.
Speaker 4: You got the Big Three because us because of an era.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, that's a dangerous statement, bro as guys, because
Speaker 2: the wait you said we started.
Speaker 1: You said the Big Three started because of us.
Speaker 4: No, let me started ice cubes starting because exactly no, No,
Speaker 4: I will start ice cube. Let me not minimize his.
Speaker 4: But what I'm also saying is just accept my seventy
Speaker 4: five grand, just seventy five grand because you go to
Speaker 4: your next stay and we want to teach people patient
Speaker 4: in our neighborhood. It's fast.
Speaker 1: So if it's truly you're.
Speaker 4: Thinking fast and you want to teach patient money, we're
Speaker 4: about that quick ten today, right, So that's the case.
Speaker 4: That's what we're saying. You know what I mean. And
Speaker 4: that's where I think talking about this topic is okay.
Speaker 1: And weren't talking about it.
Speaker 4: I'll call and then Ice Keep was upset. I just say, sorry, man,
Speaker 4: I'm on drink champs.
Speaker 1: But it makes But yeah, I would love that deal.
Speaker 5: This one comes from Capone.
Speaker 1: He said, when you went to the NBA and Capone
Speaker 1: let you hold his bins for a few months, did
Speaker 1: you crash it? That's crazy.
Speaker 11: It was only a few months.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't like opening the relationships. I like close in
Speaker 4: how long? What's the date you want to back? That's
Speaker 4: what I do now. But that's it was opening the
Speaker 4: I just got the phone's calls my cousin.
Speaker 10: The story used to come down slide. I had to
Speaker 10: and I used to tell poem. Whichever what you want,
Speaker 10: I would always give it to him too.
Speaker 4: That's incredible. I did a donut, but Nature, Nature was crying,
Speaker 4: you know. Um he went to somebody realized Nation, let's
Speaker 4: go do some donuts. I said, we're not gonna stop
Speaker 4: doing the door we came here to do, which is
Speaker 4: this is a Jersey Jersey.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, they'll be doing donuts and crazy.
Speaker 4: But I'm sorry, but but the h one hummer you
Speaker 4: go to, you go to an area where it's designated
Speaker 4: it you could get.
Speaker 1: You could do you could do that. Yes, I'm going
Speaker 1: back to a round here. Question you got something?
Speaker 2: Because so now I want to I want to keep
Speaker 2: going back to girls basketball because my plays basketball. But
Speaker 2: let's say the the Ron artist Animal that you was
Speaker 2: back then, you mentioned you got two.
Speaker 5: Girls that played like you.
Speaker 2: How do you how you developed them as young women
Speaker 2: in this business alone?
Speaker 11: The game?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's all about no contingencies and no compromise,
Speaker 4: right when it comes with are you dealing with women
Speaker 4: where men you're coaching women? And then also I think empowerment.
Speaker 4: And then it's also like, okay, how many times we've
Speaker 4: been not how entourage is all guys, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: how many time you've seen rabbits the entourage old guys?
Speaker 4: So like, what if you added women to your entourage?
Speaker 4: I think it'd be better. But you're talking about on
Speaker 4: a business from a business perspective.
Speaker 11: I was going to say, you have to say, as
Speaker 11: a business business.
Speaker 4: Well, whoever is the principle of that movement? You know
Speaker 4: what I mean? And then it's what whoever gets invited
Speaker 4: is invited. But I'm saying, like, you should be inviting women.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, you should be You should
Speaker 4: be inviting women.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about them in their skill set?
Speaker 2: Where at this point now that they're duncan this is great.
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at Toby from Duke and people.
Speaker 4: You gotta watch the girl. She's dunking backwards. She's dunking backwards.
Speaker 4: It's going to take a little time, but it's going
Speaker 4: to get there. And there's a couple of girls dunking
Speaker 4: right now. And the women's game is good. You know,
Speaker 4: the only two pivots you have is in a women's game,
Speaker 4: you don't have two pivots in the men's game. You
Speaker 4: only got one pivot. So if you see guys doing
Speaker 4: what we normally don't see. You know, you have a
Speaker 4: reason to be upset. Hopefully like Brunston is not doing that.
Speaker 4: But I don't want to go too deep into that.
Speaker 4: But the women's game, it's allowed. That's the only thing
Speaker 4: you'll see different is sometimes it's two pivots.
Speaker 2: Okay, people don't understand that, but that would mean like
Speaker 2: travel coming under the basket.
Speaker 4: That's it. Yeah, I show you can't show you real quick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's not.
Speaker 4: You see a guy Heath fake, that's okay, dribble Heath
Speaker 4: fake and when you pick up you can't do that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's a major issue.
Speaker 4: You can do that in jail, you can't do that
Speaker 4: as you can, but in the women's game you could,
Speaker 4: And then you could take that step. And I've been
Speaker 4: going division to women's basketball.
Speaker 1: You can do it. You can take this step Division.
Speaker 4: One to allow it to a woman's not a men's game.
Speaker 4: It's not allowed, so hopefully, but it's entertaining. But on
Speaker 4: the flip side, now you open it up for co
Speaker 4: ed basketball. I mean, these executives are taking high level Honestly,
Speaker 4: I'm not in the room basketball.
Speaker 1: I'm saying basketball teams, club teams. There's co ed.
Speaker 4: Basketball right now. And what I'm saying is it'll be dope.
Speaker 2: To see not to be dope when I sent my
Speaker 2: pro But there's right she could play and go about
Speaker 2: do you think she think about?
Speaker 4: What do you think about her?
Speaker 1: What do you think about her? Hysical aspect that they did?
Speaker 1: Keep saying that they're doing it because she's white.
Speaker 4: I ain't think anything about all that because she's nice. Like,
Speaker 4: it's not that I like it. It's not that I'm
Speaker 4: cuning and I'm I'm.
Speaker 1: Excited for this white girl right more than this black girl.
Speaker 4: That's definitely not it. She's nice, she's not so. But
Speaker 4: I think what's happening is the media has gottentioned on her.
Speaker 4: But sometimes you got to show what Asia did and
Speaker 4: what Kaitlyn did, you should show it at the same time.
Speaker 4: Asia's next level, like Kayla is not ready. She's not
Speaker 4: at that level, but she's showing you a different perspective.
Speaker 4: She's showing you like, ooh, but.
Speaker 11: This girl's nice.
Speaker 2: The difference with Asia is that since she won the chip,
Speaker 2: she won the national like like Kaitlyn never did that,
Speaker 2: even though she had all the hype and broke all
Speaker 2: the records right right right, Asia walked in as a champ.
Speaker 4: I mean, I hear the story. I don't get too
Speaker 4: much involved in those type of stories. I definitely see him,
Speaker 4: acknowledge that I see him. I definitely see him. But
Speaker 4: I think, like you know, I think Kaylen Clark is
Speaker 4: the real deal. Like she when Kobe was like Jordan,
Speaker 4: that's what That's what brought us into Kobe because he
Speaker 4: felt like Jordan. Kaylyn felt like Steph right is like
Speaker 4: Stephan is leaving so ooh so now you right, everybody
Speaker 4: want to be like Mike. So now guys want to
Speaker 4: be like Kayla. She's that deal, you know.
Speaker 2: Before Kaitlyn, the comparison was U Sabrina. I on that
Speaker 2: school with Steph and they did the three on three competition?
Speaker 1: Did you ever do it? You never did it three
Speaker 1: on You never did a three point shoot out. I never.
Speaker 4: I wish I would if everybody wants to, if you can,
Speaker 4: if you want to do it, but I.
Speaker 1: Never made it.
Speaker 11: Never got invited to do the dunk competition.
Speaker 4: A lot of those other girls. I never got invited.
Speaker 4: Now you tried, like sometimes you'll be an athlete. Now
Speaker 4: imagine like we trained in the summer, we think about
Speaker 4: dunk contests because not only me, there's a lot of people. Hey,
Speaker 4: I would love to, but now I'm not getting picked.
Speaker 4: I didn't do nothing in the game. You'll try early
Speaker 4: in November, just try to get off. But December, you
Speaker 4: ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 1: You ain't doing nothing over the rim.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot of athletes that probably December
Speaker 4: starts to think about just let's get buckets.
Speaker 1: Yeah is it two you you run the record park
Speaker 1: and you bring the trophies to the hood.
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1: What was that like?
Speaker 4: That was incredible? Yeah. So I played with Mousie, I
Speaker 4: played Fat Joe, I play with Diddy as I got
Speaker 4: two championships for Diddy and I got one for Fat Joe,
Speaker 4: two for Fat Joe. I can't remember, but I played
Speaker 4: so so I'm coming from the hood. Now I'm seeing
Speaker 4: Diddy all time, you know what I mean, because he
Speaker 4: paid us to play it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Going there he said, did he say, yo, y'all win?
Speaker 4: You know we can buy everybody rote Alexes? I said, yo,
Speaker 4: So check out. At that moment in time, I'm at
Speaker 4: Saint John's right, So I say, n c AA, you're
Speaker 4: not allowed to play in two tournaments. I can't play
Speaker 4: in Rutger in Nike Pro City. So Reggie from NAS Block,
Speaker 4: he's underlooked, honestly. But Reggie Jesse we got drafted, went
Speaker 4: Saint John's the same year. Reggie is from NAS Block.
Speaker 4: Reggie was All City from queens Bridge right now, he's
Speaker 4: from All City and he averaged forty. I never averaged forty.
Speaker 4: Reggie was. He went to Saint John's together. But then
Speaker 4: I was out shouted. Reggie's unstuffish player. He's always passing
Speaker 4: me the ball, you know what I mean. He's always
Speaker 4: passed me the ball. So I forgot how I got there.
Speaker 5: But I'm asking because you brought the trophies.
Speaker 4: All right. So then Reggie played in Nike Pro City,
Speaker 4: and I played in Rutger, and then lou Gans and
Speaker 4: ravens Wood Queensbridge. They brought home the Nike Pro City Championship.
Speaker 4: Troy Battle Battles, Yeah, my god, Troy Battle, God damn
Speaker 4: Troy Battle was on that team. Yes, because Troy is
Speaker 4: a great baller.
Speaker 1: So I'll played with you.
Speaker 4: So we got and then so I won. I'm a
Speaker 4: part of the Nike Pro City, but I couldn't play
Speaker 4: legally with Saint John's.
Speaker 1: But I was on that team.
Speaker 4: That's my team.
Speaker 1: But I went I went to playing the rutgerd with
Speaker 1: Fat Joe, I mean with Diddy. I think he ever
Speaker 1: did he? Yeah, it made you want to bring the trophies.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And it was just a Rutger championship in Queensland.
Speaker 4: That's legendary, like you know what I mean, because you
Speaker 4: know what everybody can hear, you know that. So everybody,
Speaker 4: Oh they so follow a hundred thousand records.
Speaker 1: That's really cool.
Speaker 4: Okay, now it's gonna sell ten member that's really cool. Oh,
Speaker 4: Vernon Fleming's pro and so this is the way he
Speaker 4: was talking about queens It was just fun one moment
Speaker 4: and it'd be bad. But it's walking into Hollywood every day.
Speaker 4: It's a different field.
Speaker 1: So the trophy, the trophy.
Speaker 4: Then we bring the trophy back. Sorry, then bring the
Speaker 4: trophy back. And it was just people were excited and
Speaker 4: it was proud. Like Kenny Itto super Bade super came
Speaker 4: my first game too. Super was really good player, great player.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 5: Pick up super Ad well.
Speaker 4: I love Superad so so so because I.
Speaker 1: Remember me hearing that and like that ship boosted the
Speaker 1: morale of the neighborhood.
Speaker 5: Yes, like ship.
Speaker 1: For lack of a better than her for New Yorker,
Speaker 1: Rukle Park trophy is like a fucking it's like an
Speaker 1: NBA trophy. It's kind of like no, and I don't
Speaker 1: think no one like saw an actual rucker. Probably not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, was that?
Speaker 1: Was that the first time you're doing that? I brought
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 4: I buried my Player of the Year in New York
Speaker 4: City with Shakisha and Mike was best friends. She was
Speaker 4: a dope baller and she had a heart attack on
Speaker 4: heart attack on recents the floor.
Speaker 11: But it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was a baller.
Speaker 2: She was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember her, but I remember the incident. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you heard about the incident. Incident.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. So we were the best players in the
Speaker 4: same age and we was we was the best place
Speaker 4: in her She also dated Mike.
Speaker 1: She was She's a pretty good, pretty young lady.
Speaker 4: At that time, and I look up, so I gave
Speaker 4: her by nineteen ninety seven high school Player of the
Speaker 4: Year is her? You know what I mean?
Speaker 11: Noah, that's dopep.
Speaker 4: So I brought a couple other ones.
Speaker 1: Did you did you bring the championship trophy to the hood.
Speaker 4: I don't get that ring. Oh wow, And I gave
Speaker 4: all the money away to mental health institutions but didn't
Speaker 4: like the champion I think the Lakers might have brought
Speaker 4: it now, but you know how Lakers don't printed. But
Speaker 4: the Queen Fers gave me something. They just do something else.
Speaker 4: Some paper put it in this frame. I still haven't wow.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but yeah it was. But I did bring
Speaker 4: a championship. I ain't bring the actual trophy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but man, what a proud time.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, money.
Speaker 4: And sure for sure.
Speaker 1: And there's anything else you want to them? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean you know this is no regular like I
Speaker 1: head up everybody know, like I haven't been doing a
Speaker 1: lot of content.
Speaker 4: I'm starting to do this type of stuff. I love
Speaker 4: to talk about this. But when I saw that that
Speaker 4: that that post by early Alesia, I thought that was
Speaker 4: an opportunity for me to say why, because I think
Speaker 4: people need to hear you why, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: and then and then you need to know your why.
Speaker 4: So then I thought it was an opportunity. So anyway,
Speaker 4: we here, Yeah, drink checks a little drink hell, yeah, and.
Speaker 5: You got everything. Question, I know what the companies man?
Speaker 4: Well, okay, let me let me let me perspective now
Speaker 4: that the company is great, and I don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about like people ask me how much you got?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like who cares about that?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Everybody, anybody out there? Somebody asked me how much?
Speaker 1: I won't Why do you need to know? Right?
Speaker 4: Like so and a lot of people, that's too much information,
Speaker 4: too much, you know what I mean? Because you're asking
Speaker 4: a guy now when the salaries are being exposed, not
Speaker 4: everybody know what you got, so like you already know
Speaker 4: what people got, you know what I mean? So anyway,
Speaker 4: I say that because it would be great if athletes
Speaker 4: can sign contracts nothing be exposed, because sometimes it carry
Speaker 4: brings a lot. But I wanted to say it was
Speaker 4: something I wanted to say. Oh yeah, I got a
Speaker 4: question for you. I had this quesure for you off camera,
Speaker 4: off camera. Is it true?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 4: Hostage hostage media?
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know what, We'll just whatever you want to do
Speaker 4: with this content, honestly.
Speaker 11: Okay, so you know his friends, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know okay, So anyway, I was gonna asking
Speaker 4: this question, but so so we had metaphorically speaking twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: any of you called in two thousand and eight. So
Speaker 4: I was the first athlete doing podcast. Nobody, nobody was
Speaker 4: doing it, So I did I had something similar?
Speaker 1: Was it just a sports show?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, and so the
Speaker 4: sports show, yeah, yeah, I bought all the cameras and
Speaker 4: then hostage and oh shit, Noordy kme bye and then
Speaker 4: but nothing was propping. I mean, nothing was happening in
Speaker 4: this space at that time. But for me at that time,
Speaker 4: you know, like when you're rapping with the cruise in
Speaker 4: your neighborhood, you all can't be doing the same thing.
Speaker 4: So at that point in time, we were doing the
Speaker 4: same thing and everything that we were doing. But I
Speaker 4: felt like, you know, I turned down a lot of
Speaker 4: opportunities to do podcasts. I didn't going to say that
Speaker 4: because I see it and I'm like, wow, you're in
Speaker 4: this podcast position as a boss and I'm watching this
Speaker 4: ship I never would have respected.
Speaker 1: But why why because you were doing something It wasn't
Speaker 1: a podcast, but you were doing like wasn't it Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't what label what I was doing when you when.
Speaker 4: Like this is like when you first retired, right, well,
Speaker 4: when I first retired, I always was doing something because
Speaker 4: but I was. I was doing the podcast, I was
Speaker 4: doing entertainment, but I wasn't really pursuing it. I was like,
Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't really serious. But see I was
Speaker 4: having fun. I was having fun for sure. I was
Speaker 4: having fun, and I also didn't I was telling people, hey,
Speaker 4: you want make some bread? I think we could do
Speaker 4: this podcast, but it wasn't something hour interested in. It's
Speaker 4: like you gotta go pull your way. But it's all literacy,
Speaker 4: it's all a learning and everybody, I mean, look at
Speaker 4: that twenty two years old peoples in college. At twenty
Speaker 4: five years old people in college. How many people in
Speaker 4: our entourage is in college? So it doesn't even matter. Okay,
Speaker 4: we'll get to college from from Norrie if you really
Speaker 4: pay attention.
Speaker 1: You know on the podcast problem, Like, uh, Warren Sapple
Speaker 1: is my friend, right well, I love Warren and and
Speaker 1: I've never seen him so happy when he started your
Speaker 1: coach right again?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes we won't have the foot player.
Speaker 1: He loves marine yeah yeah yah yah huge with sharks
Speaker 1: and all that, but like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I don't need him. I've seen him and since like
Speaker 1: I've seen him work for Colorado, like him coaching like
Speaker 1: fulfills his thrill? Is that the same with you? Like
Speaker 1: like because let's let's admit, like even with me, like
Speaker 1: with hip hop, like when I got yeah.
Speaker 4: That's my guy, if he said, yo, matter you.
Speaker 1: Out like you No, no, no, We're never gonna say
Speaker 1: that listen. So like so, like I said, like even
Speaker 1: for me, like when I when I figured I wanted
Speaker 1: to start media podcast, is the perfect thrill for me.
Speaker 1: So and then when I look at like I said,
Speaker 1: I look at Warren, Warren, like when he took over Colorado.
Speaker 1: Like I don't say take over because you know somebody
Speaker 1: would coote me on it. But you know he became
Speaker 1: a coacher on Colorado. Well it was my man named
Speaker 1: Dion said it fulfilled something for him. Is that just
Speaker 1: like like we're coaching with the girls. I love coaching.
Speaker 1: It doesn't fulfill that that need to like still be
Speaker 1: in the game.
Speaker 5: Listen, I'll still play.
Speaker 1: I'm glad.
Speaker 4: Have I spoken to you about sports before business? I
Speaker 4: have been I said, I said, you can help me
Speaker 4: get a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: I said you that.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's not talk.
Speaker 1: About that, Okay, all right, yeah cool, cool.
Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is in sports, just to bring
Speaker 4: him back.
Speaker 1: Like what I'm asking is like, does the coaching like
Speaker 1: fulfill you?
Speaker 5: Because that's it's the same.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to That's why I said that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, okay, I love coaching.
Speaker 4: Wow, Vince Smith, I will hire Kevin Jackson, Kevin jack
Speaker 4: hold On Artie, Yes, I will hire Hardy cons Would
Speaker 4: you be happy if I hire Kevin Jackson?
Speaker 1: I was okay? Coaching, oh yeah, and business.
Speaker 4: All so good.
Speaker 1: They can't stop us.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you so now I got your I got
Speaker 4: so no, all right, so I'm gonna be a head coach.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna win a championship and I have so you know,
Speaker 4: you give me a head coach and jog right, We're
Speaker 4: gonna win championship.
Speaker 1: That's dope. Check it out.
Speaker 4: This is great and hopefully this is not too much content.
Speaker 4: But this is how I talked to NOORI can I
Speaker 4: talk about my cause they got a baby with you.
Speaker 4: That's again, yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Family Mark, I've seen birthday. But you kept saying.
Speaker 4: Marchal, Okay, so so this is great because like family.
Speaker 5: Man is the family man for sure a little we
Speaker 5: want to make this about you. We want to make
Speaker 5: this about you.
Speaker 1: Are you thinking about We got to make it about you.
Speaker 1: It's good to like it because I'm not doing a podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, you know why because it's like, like, uh,
Speaker 1: like rappers, we have this right.
Speaker 5: So that's that's the reason why a lot of you
Speaker 5: see my.
Speaker 1: Older rappers, they all got podcasts now, right, and people
Speaker 1: are calling the post podcast syndrome, right, post rap syndrome.
Speaker 5: That's what I meant to say. So, but I'm proud
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 1: Early. It's an invasion. It's an invasion of it right
Speaker 1: now because it's so many. It's so many, and it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, Like I understand this walk life because
Speaker 1: like we used to the thrills, were used to hearing people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then when you like saying you know what, sometimes
Speaker 1: you can stay on stage forever, right, but some of
Speaker 1: us we don't.
Speaker 5: Have the injuries.
Speaker 1: But you know, the record play the record playoffs, so
Speaker 1: you will you will really stay on stage. So this
Speaker 1: is the new thing for rapers. You think that uh
Speaker 1: for for for an ex athlete or an ex ball player,
Speaker 1: you think that that's the best thing to do is
Speaker 1: to stay in the game like somehow like how you're
Speaker 1: doing with the coaching is because it's the same like
Speaker 1: type of thrill or.
Speaker 4: I think all right, so I man in two parts.
Speaker 4: Definitely important to build your structure. Once you make some money,
Speaker 4: you gotta build your infrastructure, you know, so all your
Speaker 4: documents at LLC's got to be right because you don't
Speaker 4: want to be spending your principal wait for the interest
Speaker 4: that I first year you working with your interests. I
Speaker 4: just want to start there. But then when you get
Speaker 4: to the basketball piece, you don't have to. But if
Speaker 4: you love it, that's you. So I love coaching. So
Speaker 4: for me, I'm associated head coach right and I'm and
Speaker 4: I'm coaching and I'm also having leisure time like I am.
Speaker 4: You see I wor So I want to just repeat
Speaker 4: that I want my guy. But I love coaching, And
Speaker 4: I think, like why because you want to win the title.
Speaker 4: It's like why do you why do you rap? Because
Speaker 4: I want to go platinum, you know, I want to
Speaker 4: win a championship and I think we can.
Speaker 1: Do it when you when you guys play, you play
Speaker 1: in l A. Mainley or California, Right, you.
Speaker 4: Know Division one, Division two is a little bit different travel. Yes,
Speaker 4: obviously the budget that Division two is low, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So so we're trying to make division
Speaker 4: too hot. Division two basketball is already they already have infrastructure, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I love coaching Division too. Now the audience is
Speaker 4: not going to be as big, but for me, it
Speaker 4: gets me a throw organized, you know.
Speaker 11: What I mean, Like I'm the goliath when you take them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then now you're now we're playing against so
Speaker 4: we're not the greatest team, but I want to but
Speaker 4: I'll just talk openly. Were like we're beating Division ones, Okay,
Speaker 4: as you should. Yeah, we're beating Division ones and that's okay.
Speaker 4: Division ones. That that's okay. But the thing is, like
Speaker 4: it's a good platform because you can't go to Division two.
Speaker 4: You can't go to Division one. Throw division two, get
Speaker 4: your college degree and build your relationships.
Speaker 2: So what that means is for those that don't understand
Speaker 2: Division one, you getting the top tier talent.
Speaker 1: You get like the top five recruits, the top ten
Speaker 1: recruits of high school in the Nations.
Speaker 2: For Division two, you're offering scholarships, you're offering academics, and
Speaker 2: you're offering a ton of play. But some students are
Speaker 2: players that aren't top five top You could get an
Speaker 2: academic scholarship where the top. Division one is a free
Speaker 2: ride all the way.
Speaker 1: Now Division two, Division three is not a free ride.
Speaker 4: Division two is a free ride, right, so it's really money. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I love it.
Speaker 1: Are they selling the girls jersey?
Speaker 4: You're not selling jersey, but the girls are getting degrees
Speaker 4: the civil engineering, mechanical engineering, or chemical justice. So they
Speaker 4: getting degrees. No, I don't think it's a different. So
Speaker 4: it's still division to N I L. We are n
Speaker 4: I L. It doesn't matter because division one, how much
Speaker 4: are you all giving because there's no N I L. Right,
Speaker 4: so there's an opportunity in division two. And now private
Speaker 4: equities are one. And you see private equities buying into
Speaker 4: division one. I don't know you see that, but private
Speaker 4: equities buying into division one the sports team right now.
Speaker 1: That's why the n ls are so google right, So
Speaker 1: you could buy.
Speaker 5: One of these teams in university.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you could actually invest that's crazy. But sec
Speaker 4: compliancy I am not selling an investment to nobody. Please,
Speaker 4: I'm not selling yeah like that, Like, but yeah, you
Speaker 4: can actually invest in on college athletic department. Yes, but
Speaker 4: that's pretty dope.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so let me let me ask you that question.
Speaker 1: Because you he was also McDonald's all American. So that
Speaker 1: jersey is gonna be. That jersey is going to be,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, especially when you get
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Because're gonna get to the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame.
Speaker 4: I just want to tell people I didn't want to.
Speaker 4: I just like to give credit to my people from
Speaker 4: the streets, right, you want to.
Speaker 1: Get that fame. But now we see that the college
Speaker 1: players are getting paid off their jersey.
Speaker 5: Now you go to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Now you get the old American Uh, the McDonald's game, right, yep,
Speaker 1: the McDonald's game. Now all of these jerseys are gonna
Speaker 1: come pop back up. You get paid for in the
Speaker 1: air that ship.
Speaker 4: Honestly, no, Like if you don't have a contract, the
Speaker 4: obvious answers no, like wow, and music and sports is
Speaker 4: the same business, right, So from that perspective, ideally you
Speaker 4: would be negotiating I p from the front of the
Speaker 4: jump but yeah, you negotiating the IP, the.
Speaker 2: Manufacturer, the manufacturers and making the McDonald's jerseys, you'd have
Speaker 2: to have the son with them.
Speaker 4: You ain't negotiating IP from the jump, right, Like as
Speaker 4: a fifteen year old.
Speaker 1: You try to get. All you want is M D P.
Speaker 1: No you want for film.
Speaker 4: So from that perspective, I think like now as NIL
Speaker 4: is introduced, I think we'll see more of this start
Speaker 4: a little earlier. It's incredible to see. It's incredible to see.
Speaker 4: I love sports and entertainment. I feel like it's almost equal,
Speaker 4: you know. But you asked the question, but I'm no.
Speaker 1: But that's that's crazy because now these college students are
Speaker 1: are getting paid off their jersey.
Speaker 6: Correct, they don't to hold up a drink. I drink
Speaker 6: this ten million hear everything like they're making.
Speaker 1: But they still need structure right now.
Speaker 4: So this is the thing. If you see somebody else crazy,
Speaker 4: if you saw a playout right, you see you just
Speaker 4: see a random athlete. You heard about he hot, he
Speaker 4: making bread as they are, so he making bread? Can
Speaker 4: you see him out? Is your first reaction to give
Speaker 4: him some financial literacy as somebody that wanted to give
Speaker 4: it back. That's in the media business, you know, right,
Speaker 4: but it's like to assume you got it and you're
Speaker 4: assuming that everything's okay. But what I found out was
Speaker 4: everything was not okay. So I'm so excited. It's an
Speaker 4: opportunity for us to give back because you know, hey,
Speaker 4: if we come to you and we say, hey, is
Speaker 4: everything okay, We're not digging in your.
Speaker 5: Pockets, right, you're not pocket checking.
Speaker 4: I don't care what you got. I don't want to
Speaker 4: know you're good. How's your infrastructure?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you're not good, I'm just asking are
Speaker 4: you good?
Speaker 1: And that's not in your due diligence of associate coach.
Speaker 1: That's just speaking as a mention.
Speaker 4: So transparently, I have a sports agency. I have to
Speaker 4: say that, Okay, sec Compliancy Artist Management Group dot com
Speaker 4: sec Compliancy damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But transparently, you know what I mean, we have a
Speaker 4: sports agency.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 4: That makes sense now because I'm not I'm not selling nobody.
Speaker 5: You're right, I'm growing up.
Speaker 4: But so I have two agencies. From Kobe Shin though
Speaker 4: the story she has doing nothing average agency and then
Speaker 4: Stacey Labor Labor Sports and Entertainment dot Com and then
Speaker 4: Covid and then doing nothing average dot Com. Those two
Speaker 4: of my agents, and then we have a couple others
Speaker 4: so so so yeah, were in it, and then we
Speaker 4: also have at some point transparency. At some point I'm
Speaker 4: going to have to make a decision and I'm getting
Speaker 4: into sports ownership or uh or management or agency sports agency.
Speaker 4: But it shouldn't stop the momentum. I just want to
Speaker 4: throw that out there real quick. But but yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, you know we love sports.
Speaker 11: We love sports here too.
Speaker 4: We love.
Speaker 1: We take the pictures, right, Okay for a careful hood
Speaker 1: who loves bad thank you keep that loves loves basketball. Right,
Speaker 1: they grew up with they like they pissed Paul, but
Speaker 1: they got that passion. What do you suggest like that
Speaker 1: same eight year old kid, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I think you said your father started your hate.
Speaker 1: But what are you talking about? Yes, yes, a kid
Speaker 1: from open Lock, a kid from Compton, a kid from
Speaker 1: UH projects.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, I'm just.
Speaker 4: Saying also to say yes, keep going on.
Speaker 1: So like like like like, what do you say to
Speaker 1: that eight year old kid that wants to wants to
Speaker 1: live that same dream that you live, doesn't have the resources.
Speaker 5: All they have is they heart?
Speaker 1: Like really yes? But is that enough?
Speaker 5: So what do you say to that eight.
Speaker 1: Year old one?
Speaker 4: I wanted to say, Like the reason I was, I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't catch you off when you have like tequila,
Speaker 4: which is opera is not a downer. I think this
Speaker 4: is okay. Yoah should not be not the head coach
Speaker 4: for drink get to KILLO because you're friends with people
Speaker 4: that drink down there. I'm jerious.
Speaker 1: Yes, put your question here, like you're an eight year
Speaker 1: old that's like he wants to play ball. He has
Speaker 1: the passion, he just doesn't have the resources. What is
Speaker 1: this guy?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Community got it? Like, let's think of Rockaway. Don't
Speaker 4: understand about Farrocolay is it's the roughest part in New
Speaker 4: York City to live in. It's two hours no matter
Speaker 4: which way you talk, you talk about it. So let's
Speaker 4: just talk about that as a case study. I grew
Speaker 4: up in Fai Rockaway in the summertime. And so if
Speaker 4: you're a kid, if you get one case study and
Speaker 4: you take this case study and you bring it around,
Speaker 4: I would say, like, you know, it's not all about
Speaker 4: sports and entertainment, Like I think you have to learn
Speaker 4: how to build stuff.
Speaker 1: I think you have to.
Speaker 4: You definitely want to adapt with the times. But what
Speaker 4: what skill set do you have? That's why I will
Speaker 4: say first because on because the majority only a few
Speaker 4: people going pro that's the stats, right right, So then
Speaker 4: like I would say, learn how to build your community,
Speaker 4: and right now that I think there's opportunities they're building
Speaker 4: the attention fine right now. So if that's truly the case,
Speaker 4: you should give some of those some of those literacy jobs.
Speaker 4: You got to do it three years in advance, and
Speaker 4: you teach them how to build their own communities, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because you can there's things you could do.
Speaker 4: It's plumbing. How long does it take to get a
Speaker 4: plumbing license? Or I got a company build ups dot com,
Speaker 4: build ups dot com, hvactors a big refrigeration. But I'm
Speaker 4: saying like slow money, you you know, And then how
Speaker 4: do we support each other anyway? And also under the
Speaker 4: context of being on the show, Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 4: I want to say certain things, but.
Speaker 5: Anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because yeah.
Speaker 4: It's crazy to like just seeing Normay and you get
Speaker 4: ask any questions you want to.
Speaker 1: I feel like you gave me financial advice. But but
Speaker 1: he needs basketball advice?
Speaker 11: What basket advice?
Speaker 4: Go to Artest Education Foundation. Honestly say you can Basco advice. Okay,
Speaker 4: so right now, yeah, art Test Education Foundation because right
Speaker 4: now we're just trying to figure out we never launched
Speaker 4: the program we are now. But I've done so much
Speaker 4: in philanthropy, you know, I've done so much. I had
Speaker 4: one group tell me matter, you know, you don't really
Speaker 4: meet impliancy for for your foundation to receive funds. I'm saying, well,
Speaker 4: what do you mean? This is twenty and twenty five.
Speaker 4: In twenty ten, I raffled off my championship bring is
Speaker 4: documented and I gave away six hundred and seventy one thousand.
Speaker 4: So what do you what are you?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Why are you making a loopholes? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, the Lakers, Yes, my lagagee yes, yes, what did
Speaker 4: you get for it? Oh?
Speaker 1: What I did? So?
Speaker 4: So Diddy try to you know, Diddy offer two hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty five thousand. That's I played for coach Diddy,
Speaker 4: so I don't know. So he offered two and twenty
Speaker 4: five thousand. I said that's not gonna be enough, because
Speaker 4: if I sell it if I raffle it for a dollar,
Speaker 4: I think I can give my money. Not for me,
Speaker 4: I'm not pugging in my pockets, but calls so anyway.
Speaker 4: And he also the RUT championship. Oh he always eighteen
Speaker 4: thousand dollars watches like but I say that because not
Speaker 4: why everybody else thinking about it? I played for coach Diddy,
Speaker 4: So that's all I'm saying, because sometimes you can't avoid
Speaker 4: talking about Diddy. No, right, and then perspective on it.
Speaker 4: And this is a revolt, right, this is a revolt.
Speaker 4: So this is a revolt. But this is why I
Speaker 4: do what I do.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I see a rapping, I'm like, yo, Like, okay, what's
Speaker 4: the bigger picture. I see a ballplayer and I'm I'm
Speaker 4: mentoring boxes right now. I'm not gonna say their names,
Speaker 4: but I'm actually mentoring like boxes, basketball players move too,
Speaker 4: And I'm so exciting.
Speaker 1: I heard this the other day. I was I kept
Speaker 1: researching you, and you were saying that at one point
Speaker 1: in your life he was watching boxing. More thing he
Speaker 1: was watching, Yeah, my dad for you, My dad was
Speaker 1: my dad's two on one.
Speaker 4: You go to BoxRec dot com, which is the main
Speaker 4: I think you all been to box I think twenty percent.
Speaker 1: You've been to box wrect watch boxing every day. So
Speaker 1: my dad's on't My dad's on box wrecks. He's two
Speaker 1: on one.
Speaker 4: Then he had me, so that's what happened. So my
Speaker 4: dad's two on one. He's a boxing professional boxer. He's
Speaker 4: from Philly, you know what I mean? So, yeah, yeah, me,
Speaker 4: But I love boxing in my favorite sport. We had
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, can Intrinsic dot Com. That's my CPA accounting firm.
Speaker 4: I'm not promoting to you, but Canelo Science Intrinsic Biz
Speaker 4: Intrinsic dot Biz we have a so I launched that
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. But I love boxing because in boxing you
Speaker 4: can get a larger management fee. That's legal. Wow, I
Speaker 4: ain't saying no, that's not legal. But in basketball's at
Speaker 4: four percent. Boxing is different.
Speaker 1: So you know.
Speaker 4: So, but I love boxing, and I think like Louie
Speaker 4: from Tenth Street on my block. He's the first person
Speaker 4: to knocked down Roy Jones. You know Louis Yeah, so
Speaker 4: you should do little history. He has trained on the
Speaker 4: Floyd Maybethers fighters. This is drink Chance sports, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So he's also from my block from
Speaker 4: his building attached to line of meat building like, so
Speaker 4: he also won titles and his family was they was
Speaker 4: winning kickboxing. So his sister and his little brother kickboxing
Speaker 4: championships at the same level. So he actually Roy Jones
Speaker 4: be anyway, people forget about Louis, but boxing is like,
Speaker 4: why do I love boxing?
Speaker 11: My dad box?
Speaker 4: My dad used to take me to the Lost Battalion
Speaker 4: and you know in New York, but he would keep
Speaker 4: me away from boxing. He didn't want me to get
Speaker 4: your head, so my dad, I would see, I see, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he never wanted me to fight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So my dad's two and one and he fighting, and
Speaker 4: I want to learn because my dad's in my life,
Speaker 4: even though he was like to my mom he wasn't
Speaker 4: the best coming into that, but to me, he was
Speaker 4: dead every day. Something he kept me from boxing. But
Speaker 4: the crazy thing was it's a great story though. The
Speaker 4: crazy thing was two thousand and twenty six something like that,
Speaker 4: maybe twenty four, I don't quite remember. My dad got
Speaker 4: me on the phone. This is two thousand oh four, sorry,
Speaker 4: oh four six. Who's Muhammad Ali trainer Bundy? That's his
Speaker 4: full name. Angelo Dundee, Yes, Angelo Dundee training. So I'm like, dad,
Speaker 4: how the hell are you on the phone with Angelo
Speaker 4: Dundee or my dad? I always wanted to give him
Speaker 4: four fights now you well, yeah, I just say four. Okay,
Speaker 4: let's have four. So you see are people fighting now?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, so anyway four I'm not fighting now.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it now. Turned down there. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it now.
Speaker 4: It's like I'm forty six, I'm on vacation.
Speaker 1: I'm not fighting.
Speaker 4: Nobody in that area. In two thousand and four, I
Speaker 4: thought like, what Jake Paul is doing right now? I
Speaker 4: want to celebrity boxing. Yeah, it's two thousand and five
Speaker 4: if he did that.
Speaker 1: But Mike, Mike was different than O four six huh Tyson.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm a fight against Mike Tyson.
Speaker 11: I'm saying I want you.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I was thinking of what Jake Paul was doing. I
Speaker 4: do not want to get hit in my head. I
Speaker 4: got to offer from Triller. I said, you know, there's
Speaker 4: no amount of money y'all can offer me. I talk
Speaker 4: about you know what I mean, he's you know, he's
Speaker 4: oct five hundred thousand, definitely not enough to fight, you know.
Speaker 4: But I think I now, I do think I would
Speaker 4: be more entertaining have a better track record, but you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, I have a way better track
Speaker 4: records or how right? So anyway, but anyway, I love
Speaker 4: boxing that much. We got boxing Cordell Booker. We just
Speaker 4: signed Cordeal Booker. He lost against Frondora, but everybody's losing
Speaker 4: against front doorra every transit dot com intrinsic business like
Speaker 4: a CPA accounting for where we managed only accounting all
Speaker 4: fuduciaries taxes. And we have another company that where we
Speaker 4: signed Cordel Booker to our box PGT Sports. That's where
Speaker 4: we got Cordel Booker and we got more boxes though.
Speaker 4: But I'm like behind the scenes now, but you know
Speaker 4: this is yeah, I love But anyway boxing. I can
Speaker 4: go on and on about boxing, like I call Floyd,
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna talk too much about it. Floyd's by god.
Speaker 4: I always check about Floyd, and Floyd is so dope,
Speaker 4: like he would give me tickets to the games to
Speaker 4: the fights. I say games to the fights. He ain't
Speaker 4: give it eighty tickets. I'm like, hey, family, we got
Speaker 4: any tickets to Floyd tonight on the front Road. I
Speaker 4: love Floyd, and I'm not talking about one fight. So
Speaker 4: I'm like always like, Floyd, what can I do for you?
Speaker 4: But Floyd Mayweather, I feel like, you know, he doesn't
Speaker 4: drink I've been out with Floyd. You don't drink it
Speaker 4: on smoke. And I'm like, that's inspiring to see as
Speaker 4: an athlete, you know. And then also we see the
Speaker 4: stuff that's happening now. But we talked about when is
Speaker 4: to support each other, right ye, fact absolutely talked always.
Speaker 4: But that's sports.
Speaker 1: So I got a good one for you. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you're never gonna hear my month forget.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, this is.
Speaker 10: Nothing crazy or anything like that, because you've had a
Speaker 10: long career and I count your career after back ladies.
Speaker 4: Yes, she's here, No left, Yes, I was just going
Speaker 4: because it's a little bit of cava left a little cover. No,
Speaker 4: that's okay, now we already I was you gonna put
Speaker 4: water in it, meeting water.
Speaker 1: Mister Lee got you And I mean this from the beginning.
Speaker 10: Of your career getting a dollar the first dollar you
Speaker 10: ever got paid professionally, so it might be n b A,
Speaker 10: it might be before that, all the way till today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I regret that maybe might help a younger kid.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, yes, yes, someone who's had the kind of
Speaker 10: success you've asked.
Speaker 1: So I do want to stay free.
Speaker 4: Yes, one regret you may have had, Yeah, might be
Speaker 4: able to help someone else. So I'm gonna say that,
Speaker 4: Like I used to do homework on Tell Street because
Speaker 4: like I was in my house and there was things
Speaker 4: going on. I don't want to talk about it because
Speaker 4: my mom and dad is awesome. But so I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do my homework outside on Toll Street. That's why I'm
Speaker 4: doing my homework. Yeah, you see my grades. I told
Speaker 4: you about my grades. Yes, all right, you see what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So, so it's about the lock in. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, because like at home, it's like
Speaker 4: where are you gonna do your homework? Don't you gotta
Speaker 4: do homework? I tell you, when one ban two w LA,
Speaker 4: you lose two weeks of school. When you lose two
Speaker 4: weeks of school in nineteen ninety three, how are you
Speaker 4: gonna catch up? You're gonna get left back, right, You're
Speaker 4: gonna get left back. It's a failed, is a fail?
Speaker 4: How are you going to catch up? So, and we
Speaker 4: know that is a stat So from that perspective, I
Speaker 4: got to give this information, right, you.
Speaker 1: Got to give this information.
Speaker 4: And then also if somebody's being locked up that it
Speaker 4: should be it should not be tied to the school system.
Speaker 4: If you in jail, she'd not should still graduate because
Speaker 4: who knows why?
Speaker 1: Right? Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Who knows why this kid
Speaker 4: when left.
Speaker 11: And doesn't pick up?
Speaker 10: Yeah, who knows ye or the dys or the juvenile
Speaker 10: pick up where that kid is ages in school while
Speaker 10: he's locked up.
Speaker 4: So for me, in nineteen ninety three, I wanted to
Speaker 4: be a math teacher. I was two or four. That's
Speaker 4: why I mentioned in the Math Architect I want to
Speaker 4: be a math teacher because at that age I was
Speaker 4: going through a lot. And now I can get complain
Speaker 4: about it. But you're on these type of platforms, you
Speaker 4: can talk about them. When you're on these type of platforms,
Speaker 4: you can talk about it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like what I told about I said, you know what
Speaker 4: just so happened? I know, nory it is the regret. Okay,
Speaker 4: ask the question again.
Speaker 1: Regret regret one, regret one. I give you a few.
Speaker 1: I give you a few.
Speaker 4: I already one, I give you one, and well nobody
Speaker 4: say he good, We're good good alright, so I would say,
Speaker 4: so the first thing I want so I was signed
Speaker 4: to and I also want to give content, but I'm
Speaker 4: also trying to get content respectfully. But like, so I
Speaker 4: signed with Dwayne.
Speaker 11: Martin, Yeah, the actor. Yeah, yeah, only one.
Speaker 1: Dayne name the second name, my second Dwayne No, no, no,
Speaker 1: my bad.
Speaker 5: I just had to take it.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm actually not I'm actually I'm actually not
Speaker 4: challenging you. I'm actually really curious. Do you know another
Speaker 4: Dwayne Martin?
Speaker 1: No, dude, I know.
Speaker 11: For those that don't know, Dwayne Martin, k Kylie Watson
Speaker 11: above the rim.
Speaker 4: Okay, great, I said, I don't know that. Oh he
Speaker 4: was in about the room.
Speaker 11: Saytie Watson, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Okay, great, I say, okay, that's his name. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: So anyway, he was my first agent. He came to
Speaker 4: queens Bridge. So I love Dwayne and he's my he's
Speaker 4: a real close friend and teacher and his wife and
Speaker 4: they divorced since they're both really good friends. Say he's
Speaker 4: my first agent. But I think like at that time,
Speaker 4: so I do want to say I wanted to buy
Speaker 4: a Prius. I'm sorry, a caravan. Because when you were
Speaker 4: in high school, right in nineteen ninety six, you don't
Speaker 4: got a car.
Speaker 1: Where are you looking at in New York City? Tell me,
Speaker 1: I know you did it before.
Speaker 4: Tell me what maner?
Speaker 5: Okay, the newspaper. That's everybody lives in the newspaper.
Speaker 4: Who from New York? So you see that caravan, you
Speaker 4: see that Chrysler. You ain't look at that? No business, right,
Speaker 4: you're too young, that's your range.
Speaker 1: I'm sure now we looked at the Crysler MPV. Ain't
Speaker 1: Lopez had an mp V.
Speaker 4: He found Negro but ethnicity.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in New Jersey, christ that's not.
Speaker 5: Definitely washing.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to buy a caravan. My first check
Speaker 4: in the NB. I'm not gonna lie. I wanted about caravan.
Speaker 4: I wanted to buy a caravan.
Speaker 1: Caravan. It was hot, but.
Speaker 4: Family, not an MPV.
Speaker 1: The dog. Yeah there, I had a kid.
Speaker 4: I had a kid at sixteen. I'm as you see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I think, how you think I just
Speaker 4: read something.
Speaker 1: I got?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know this girl got him thinking like that.
Speaker 4: Anyway, when you get persuaded to do something other like
Speaker 4: buy more. You shouldn't be persuading nobody to buy more. Damn,
Speaker 4: you ain't even work over your principle yet.
Speaker 1: But you're talking on the level.
Speaker 4: There's not another level because it's just something we shouldn't
Speaker 4: tell people should nobody. There's not another level you should
Speaker 4: not be working on.
Speaker 1: Generation should be at this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hopefully so anyway down now is like now
Speaker 4: to go back to my dude from Sorry, I'm excited,
Speaker 4: but this guy was telling me today the New York
Speaker 4: gets talked with their hands. I'm from New York. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I guess we talk what I.
Speaker 1: You can't help.
Speaker 10: The whole question was the regret, Oh yeah, do you
Speaker 10: have I don't want you to day Yeah for what.
Speaker 1: From what for? Prey? Regret that you can help a
Speaker 1: young person coming by?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say you yeah, I would say and
Speaker 4: now and nowadays I would say family first, because so
Speaker 4: many athletes, what's happening as athletes entertainers. There's no knowledge
Speaker 4: transferring back if you look at the I guess the
Speaker 4: boss got right, and it's okay to talk about it
Speaker 4: like you can't hit on somebody have it more than
Speaker 4: I just want to say that, but you know, the
Speaker 4: wealth got trillions of dollars and uh ownership of you know,
Speaker 4: call it the white angle, Saxon and Jewish right. And
Speaker 4: then next is Indian. It's only this is public knowledge
Speaker 4: because I just read it online, right, and then Blacks,
Speaker 4: I looked at it and there was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 4: So that's not even in you know, under under management,
Speaker 4: not even management, because we spend right. We spent a
Speaker 4: lot of money. So from that perspective for right, you know,
Speaker 4: from that perspective, and then also I think people deserves,
Speaker 4: you know, right to have a great end of life.
Speaker 4: I was the first support of r f K and
Speaker 4: Metalworale Peace from Tel Street.
Speaker 1: That's Robert Kennedy.
Speaker 4: But you don't let me talk about let me talk
Speaker 4: about life, coach. I'm not gonna cut you off. I
Speaker 4: wanted to talk about why I mentioned that. Okay, why
Speaker 4: I mentioned that was because they reached out to me.
Speaker 4: I'm doing a lot of positive stuff, and I think
Speaker 4: you reserved the right to give back. No matter what
Speaker 4: you've been through your life, you deserved the right to
Speaker 4: get back. So I was the first one. I was
Speaker 4: the first supporter of the first entertainment sports. Look at
Speaker 4: it on YouTube and you'll see me introduce the VP.
Speaker 4: You'll see me introduced his VP, and then what what
Speaker 4: you'll also see is mister Trump. I'm saying this as
Speaker 4: a I'm an independent voter publicly, but you also see
Speaker 4: them saying that they Man, I don't feel like going
Speaker 4: to get SORRFK. I don't want to get too much
Speaker 4: into that, but I do. But from my from my
Speaker 4: and I was the first. So from that perspective, I
Speaker 4: asked him could I be his VP?
Speaker 1: You know, be VP?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my guy? And what did he do? It
Speaker 4: was one of those things that is not realistic, it's
Speaker 4: not really. What I'm saying is from a health perspective,
Speaker 4: you got to get in where you fit in and
Speaker 4: politics and social impacts. It's not going to be perfect.
Speaker 4: But if you're trying to give back, you want to
Speaker 4: give back at the highest level. Right, So if that's
Speaker 4: the case, Like, I love the fact that we should
Speaker 4: be eating healthy. You know, you know, I've also listened
Speaker 4: also washing doctor Sebby right, and I learned how to
Speaker 4: eat healthy. So now it's like it's about us. We're
Speaker 4: not in competition. Why we got to be in competition
Speaker 4: with you. I mean, we're just getting there. So anyway,
Speaker 4: you know, I was excited to like your Math Hoffer,
Speaker 4: that's my guy, asked math.
Speaker 1: Math.
Speaker 4: Had a lot of conversations, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta record with what's the guy that
Speaker 4: battled the best battle of sorry murder boot when I
Speaker 4: battle him?
Speaker 1: Loaded?
Speaker 12: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 4: Loaded? Loaded?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 4: I got a record with Loaded. I love Loaded career.
Speaker 4: We talked about a lot of stuff, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, But yeah, this is a great opportunity. Anyway, he's.
Speaker 1: Because because this is what I want to know, Like
Speaker 1: when you squashed the beef with the guy right from Green?
Speaker 1: What was his name? Green? He's a squash, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: guy that you thought through the at you sorry, yes
Speaker 1: John Green? The brawl? Yeah, did you squash the beat
Speaker 1: before you won the championship? All after? Because because you think, like,
Speaker 1: was that good karma coming back to you? Like you
Speaker 1: reaching out to him and you're development in a relationship
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you win the champ
Speaker 1: Then you win the championship.
Speaker 5: You think that was good karma? What do you do?
Speaker 1: Am I asking?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta let you ask your question. I've seen Nori,
Speaker 4: and please remind me of his question. Please, I just
Speaker 4: wanna say something. So I've seen nor when he first
Speaker 4: started the show.
Speaker 1: I got a pain.
Speaker 4: And and then Noor will always cut people off, and
Speaker 4: I was and I was like, why don't always turn
Speaker 4: people off? Right, I'm like, so, I'm like, why is
Speaker 4: this jump you off? But I'm trying to pay attention.
Speaker 4: So I said, oh, he's trying to.
Speaker 5: Keep the show. Said, He's trying to keep the show moving.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yes, I'm watching the show,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: But but but but do you think that because because
Speaker 1: because when you squashed the beef with the dude, the
Speaker 1: one that through the beer, that was before you won
Speaker 1: a championship.
Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, So what happened was shot Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I wanted.
Speaker 5: Because because I want to go get it again.
Speaker 1: This my kill. Cure, that's the killer, get your life.
Speaker 1: So so you think that square, you take that, You
Speaker 1: think that I got to do? You think that you
Speaker 1: squashing the beef for him it was good, calm up
Speaker 1: because you run a championship.
Speaker 4: So what happened was I already knew I was trying
Speaker 4: to do all this positive stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, so.
Speaker 4: Classic, oh yeah yeah, Pink Carter. So for me, it
Speaker 4: was like, there wasn't the career I envisioned when I
Speaker 4: knew I was gonna prove. So now to answer your question, yeah,
Speaker 4: the question.
Speaker 1: It was the album.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like do you think Washington was that good call?
Speaker 5: And that led to you, Well what.
Speaker 4: Happened was like during that time, people were trying to
Speaker 4: make it white black, Like I'm just trying to do
Speaker 4: business and I'm just trying to do philanthropy. So now
Speaker 4: I got this drama with some dude that then you
Speaker 4: got a whole nother story.
Speaker 11: That's so many stories.
Speaker 4: I'm escaping Ben Wallace, who's my guy? Shout at Ben
Speaker 4: and you know he's upset. But when I went to Ben,
Speaker 4: I'm the sucker actually because when I went to him,
Speaker 4: you'll see say so I said, sorry, I'm gonna admit it.
Speaker 4: I didn't want no problem with Big Ben.
Speaker 10: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not afraid that he's like Charles look
Speaker 4: like I would have problem with Ben Wallace Wallace.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm afraid. I'm too sixty five, like
Speaker 1: I want a problem back.
Speaker 4: So you'll see me go like this. I mean to say,
Speaker 4: like sorry, but I ain't even doing that. But honestly
Speaker 4: it wasn't a hard fell So then so then that happened,
Speaker 4: and then the brawl takes off. So now you know,
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm trying to escape. So I'm laying on
Speaker 4: a scorers table. I said, okay at some point, but
Speaker 4: at that point he was wrong.
Speaker 11: Huh, at that point you was wrong wrong, laying on
Speaker 11: top of the scores table.
Speaker 4: Listen you listen, listen to that.
Speaker 1: It's very cool.
Speaker 11: Ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah trying. That's not no ship. It's okay, but very important.
Speaker 4: It's the way we view life, right, and that was
Speaker 4: view like that. You see what I'm saying. I don't
Speaker 4: think I would later if I if I wanted to
Speaker 4: get it pop out, will get it poping. I'm laying
Speaker 4: on a scoring saved.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to chill. I do it and hitting.
Speaker 4: Y'all don't know what's going through my head. I don't
Speaker 4: know what was going through y'all head.
Speaker 1: But people with cherish thev on, I.
Speaker 4: Don't cheer it on. I lost the Cason, another Defensive
Speaker 4: Player of the Year, and another All Star and another whatever.
Speaker 4: Just count up just money, so definitely such something. When
Speaker 4: that happened years later, I was Sacramento. We told that
Speaker 4: whole story. I still was depressed because of this thing.
Speaker 4: So when you look at the Lakers Championship, the first
Speaker 4: thing I did was thank the.
Speaker 11: Pacers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And you look at the interview. You got to see
Speaker 4: it online. Yo, shout out to the paces because I
Speaker 4: always wanted to win the championship, so I ain't feel
Speaker 4: I had to let them know.
Speaker 1: You my guys, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Suching with John Green something to jump here with John Green,
Speaker 4: it was like I was still depressed, and I said,
Speaker 4: I need to stop having so much resentment because everybody's
Speaker 4: saying they hate me.
Speaker 1: It's on TV.
Speaker 4: Everybody's saying they hate you. Like what you hate me too.
Speaker 4: I won't even know I think you hate it. It's
Speaker 4: like it's just crazy right right, which is a fight.
Speaker 4: It's like it's somebody I'm used to fighting the game
Speaker 4: over that ship, you know what I mean. I saw
Speaker 4: I saw, I saw, I saw Lady Drugs. I was
Speaker 4: right there and told I saw lad Street Drugs. They
Speaker 4: both their time, Like my god, I was dear right.
Speaker 4: So it's like I'm used to and their friends. So
Speaker 4: with John Green, I'm like, hold on, I don't got
Speaker 4: that much drama as everybody's saying. With this guy, we
Speaker 4: had to fight, you know what I mean. I don't
Speaker 4: hate all everybody. So anyway, we became tight a dude
Speaker 4: who lost me fifty whatever you want to name it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to name this. I'm not holding
Speaker 1: over me and you were having to fight.
Speaker 4: But all the people, you guy, you the people who
Speaker 4: made certain decisions like get.
Speaker 1: To know me.
Speaker 4: You don't even know me, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So for now, But then I also said earlier that
Speaker 4: I think they made the right decision because because of
Speaker 4: what happened. But but I wanted to say, and then
Speaker 4: people tried to make it a race for it was
Speaker 4: what it was, media headlines, something off the backs. To me,
Speaker 4: we ain't about to get white versus black to get
Speaker 4: one together, right, I don't have a problem. Yes, it's
Speaker 4: that the John Green, and this is how me and
Speaker 4: John became friends. You should have us on your show.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: But check it out as I'm doing as I'm the
Speaker 4: first athlete entertainer to do a podcast. Right, If you
Speaker 4: look at the years. That content is cool? How is
Speaker 4: that content not cool because it's not your because it's
Speaker 4: not where you want a program today. So anyway, I
Speaker 4: see my got newy. This is a great opportunity to
Speaker 4: talk about that. That's dope content.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 4: But why do you not wanting to meet John Green
Speaker 4: and Ben Waller's talk about the bro that's for its history.
Speaker 11: That's your chance.
Speaker 1: But we can chill, we can chill.
Speaker 11: We can tell you.
Speaker 1: I ain't yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Drives, and then we can tell you.
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