WEBVTT - Decoding the Debate 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.800 Ola, Latino USA listener, it's me Maria no Josa, but 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.320 you might have also heard me on another Futuro Award 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:10.320 winning show. It's called In the Think. I know a 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.560 lot of you have you know, it's where we talk 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.560 politics unfiltered. Well, In the Think was on pause for 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.520 the past year, but I have great news. 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You know, we're gonna be breaking down 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.480 this unprecedented political moment and what it means for us, 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:52.560 for our futures. So I have a masked an incredible 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.120 group of all star co hosts this season that are 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.440 going to help us unpack the news and go beyond 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.600 the political noise. You know, we're going to be dropping 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.880 some f Okay, maybe not all of us, but we're 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.480 gonna start introducing our new co host with the amazing 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:10.720 Chrissy Greer, who is my fellow Birder and Murder. She 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.880 is a professor of political science at Fordham University. Chrisy 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.120 Greer was, I was up. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.200 Ah, I'm so happy to be back together, reunited and 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:20.000 it feels so good. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.520 And also joining us is the wonderful journalist Bao La 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:28.080 Ramos frequently on the air at MSNBC and Antelemundo, and Paula, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:29.160 It's great to have you. 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.000 Oh, I'm so happy to be here. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:36.040 And of course the wonderful actor producer Judy Reyes. You 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.760 may have seen her in everything from Jane the Virgin 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:44.080 Succession and Scrubs. Yeah, oh, I'm so happy to have 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.840 you on the show. Judy, Welcome, Thank you for having me. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:48.840 We've been trying to get together for so long and 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:49.880 I'm honored to be here. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:56.760 So this is politics Unfiltered. We're going to get into it. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:01.440 It's a challenging day, right because we're acording on September eleventh, 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.280 and we're recording also on the heels of a pretty 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:09.040 incredible historic debate between a far right wing so called billionaire, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.400 Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, the first woman of color 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.600 to get the Democratic Party's nomination for president. So we're 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.079 going to start by doing one of my favorite things 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.280 with itt, which is a temperature check. We're going to 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.280 start with you, Chrissy, how are you feeling on this day? 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.920 Thanks Maria. I always love the temperature check. You know, 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.600 we're in this historic moment. We're On the one hand, 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.320 I'm very excited. Kamala Harris is only the fourth woman 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.520 to ever get to this sort of level. We had 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.760 Geraldine Farr in eighty four New Yorker, we had Sarah 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.320 Palin in two thousand and eight, we had Hillary Clinton 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.440 in twenty sixteen, and now we have Kamala Harris. So 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:49.200 it's a historic moment, obviously, but it's also frustrating for 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.200 me because she's neck and neck with someone who's wholly incompetent, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.080 and so many women, especially women of color, know that 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.480 feeling of standing next to a man where it's like, 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.880 I can't even believe in the same sentence together the 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.120 ire that I have for some of the indignities that 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.040 Kamala Harris had to stand through, while this man is 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.000 just he's an automatic lying machine. And so our qualifications 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.840 are better than any presidential candidate we've seen in modern history. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.040 Donald Trump had zero qualifications, zero elected office before he 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.440 stumbled up per USU. And so I'm hoping that as 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.479 America evolves, Sho'll show herself to be who we hope 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.800 that she can be. She's never been that way before. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.760 There's a lot of promise obviously in this country. There's 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.359 a lot of beauty in this country. As Marie and 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:33.000 I know, we're. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.760 Going to convert Paula and Judy into our burden cult. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:38.360 So there's a lot of. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.640 You know, and there's so many amazing people in this country, 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.120 and so I'm hoping that November fifth goes the way 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.800 that it should and it could. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.200 For our sakes. And I guess that's where I am 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:50.400 right now. Excited. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.040 I'm always optimistic because I teach the youth of America, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.720 but I'm definitely frustrated as a woman of color having 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:57.960 to sit through some of this. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.680 Judy, what's your temperature? How you doing? 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.320 I just can't believe that we aren't like int No, 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.240 you see these numbers, you see these polls. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.040 But I am hopeful. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:11.200 I think particularly the youth, are really not having it anymore. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.480 Okay, So Chrissy has labeled Donald Trump the lying machine. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.320 I actually went earlier this morning on social media and 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.480 I said, you know, you can't really win a debate 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.039 with a pathological liar, and no one really wants to 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.320 call a former president a pathological liar. Betro I see 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.839 is Baola Comuta? What's your temperature? 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:32.239 Check? 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.360 I woke up to a text from a former friend 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.560 from the Hillary campaign, and I think it reflects how 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.520 I feel. She said at nine am in the morning 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.080 post debate, she said, this is how I wanted to 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.320 feel after a debate nine years ago. So I'm thinking 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.320 of everyone that was working in the Hillary Clinton campaign 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.760 right over ten years ago that was almost waiting for 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.000 that moment on stage between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.880 and we never got to see that. And I think 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.400 what people have been here learning since was this assertion 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.839 of power. Now, was someone that was able to not 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.800 just convince in a very complicated country that she is 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.080 in fact president show and that she can in fact lead, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.880 which she one percent did that, but I think do 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.920 something that's even harder at this point after five plus 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.560 years of lies and the lying machine and the insults, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.800 which is literally guide America back to reality. Like that 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.120 is the hardest job and the hardest challenge that the 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.520 vice president was up against ground people back to reality 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.239 through the conspiracies, through the noise, and through the lies 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:38.839 and the insults. And I think she was able to 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.200 achieve that. And so I think in a way it 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.960 feels and I'm cautious when I say this because it 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.080 feels similar to twenty sixteen or there's this optimism and 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.160 there's momentum, and many folks also feel like Hillary Clinton 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.440 won those debates. And so I'm cautious when I say this, 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.000 but it does almost feel like the beginning of the 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.520 end of trump Ism, right. I think everyone saw that, 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.919 and now it's kind of up to the trial is 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.400 now back on to Christy's point, it's not back on 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.920 America to figure out like, is this really who we are? 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.320 And that'll at the end of the day, that's that's 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:09.080 on us. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.200 Agree with everything that you all have said, and as 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.720 an immigrant and we have what we have. Baola, you 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.840 know you were born in the United States, first gen 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.600 Yepoula's first gen Judy, you were also born in the 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.440 United States, right, Yes, I was Chrissy YouTube. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.360 I'm like twentieth gen over here. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.800 So okay, so I'm la. We have to talk about 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.880 this insanity that we saw in the debate. Trump started 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:40.760 talking about this completely untrue story that Haitian immigrants who 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:46.440 are in Ohio are eating pets. It's a horrible thing. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:47.680 It's insane. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.040 I know, this is what he said. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.080 And look at what's happening to the towns all over 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.560 the United States. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.800 people that came in, They're eating the cats, they're eating 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.560 they're eating the pets of the people that live there. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.560 The conversation suddenly went from January sixth to let's not 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.720 talk about the people who took over the capitol. Let's 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.200 talk about the people who are coming in on the 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.480 southern border. What the fuck I have to say that. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.800 The problem for me is that Kamala did not one 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.080 hundred percent lay down the law and say that is 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.320 not true. In fact, she laid out a pretty conservative 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.360 vision on the issue of immigration. And here's what she 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:30.960 had to say. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.680 Let me say that the United States Congress, including some 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.200 of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.360 came up with a border security bill, which I supported. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.520 And that bill would have put fifteen hundred more border 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.920 agents on the border to help those folks who are 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.160 working there right now over time trying to do their job. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.080 It would have allowed us to stem the flow of 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.840 fentanyl coming into the United States. That bill would have 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:03.040 put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.280 organizations for trafficking and guns drugs and human beings. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.360 So I guess in my worst moments, I'll just be like, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.000 my entire career was worth nothing if in the year 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.440 twenty twenty four, in a presidential election, what we are 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.600 only talking about is how immigrants are destroying the country. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.520 It's okay, what is happening. I hate this, it's a nightmare. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.720 But then it's no, it's true. So I want you, first, Boula, 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.600 if you could break down how you saw the conversation 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.000 around immigration in the debate and what were your takeaways. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.760 Yeah, I mean two things. One Trump, I honestly thought 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.640 I couldn't be more shocked at anything that he had 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.960 to say. Like at this point, I think, unfortunately I've 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.120 become so numb to the attacks. But the moment and 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.320 I laugh because it's so sad now, but the moment 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.240 that he said something along the lines of, you know, 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:59.280 they referring to the vice president, they want transgender operations 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:00.400 on illego aliens. 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.160 At that point, have you seen the memes, Pala. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.080 Oh my god, the memes are incredible. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.720 From the moment it ended too Twitter never failed. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.880 But I think that's the point. You see Twitter and 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.520 TikTok and you see the countries pushing back, and at 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.040 what I was missing in that moment was a Democratic 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.400 candidate that is able to take that conversation and do 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.920 what she did so beautifully and so well with the 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:29.360 issue of abortion, which was humanize this issue, which is 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.880 bring back humanity and dignity to millions and millions of 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.640 women and vulnerable people. And I wanted that when it 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.119 came to immigration. Right here you have an incredible presidential 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.720 candidate with an incredible immigrant story, with an incredible example 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.559 of what it is to achieve the American dream, with 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.280 an incredibly unique opportunity to take this narrative and bring 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.840 it back to what it always should be, which is 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.400 define what it means to be an immigrant in this country, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.960 bring back that dignity, and talk about not just the border, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.280 but talk about the over eleven million and documented people 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.840 that have been in this country waiting for decades and 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.400 decades to have a moment when they finally too are 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.880 what they have always been, which are Americans. And so 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.120 I think there's the slice of the population. I'm talking 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.360 about the mixed status families. I'm talking about the youth 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.960 vote in Nevada and Arizona and Georgia in Florida. I 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.160 think there's a slice of people that were looking at 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:24.040 her yesterday, yes, with optimism and inspiration, but they're still 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.760 missing that. No, they they need something else to hold 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:26.959 on to. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.360 I mean, all of your judy that what we would 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.520 want Kamala Harris to do, what I was expecting her 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.319 to do in that moment on the issue of immigration, 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.120 is to turn to him and say, like in his face, 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.520 you're a disgrace on the conversation of immigration and immigrants. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.320 It needs to stop and make that so clear and 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.720 instead not Basl which was hard. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.319 She had to do so little to be honest, right, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.720 all she had to do is expose him and watch 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.040 him fall apart. She had the space to stay conservative 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.160 for the sake of the voters that this debate was 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.960 actually really for. And we also know that she is 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:07.800 conservative on immigration, and we can't kid ourselves because that's 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.080 not a surprise. It's disappointing because she was very cautious 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.960 on all those things that are really important to the 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.720 left leaning and liberal democratic side of the voters. But 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.720 she's pretty much got us in our pocket for just 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:26.200 realistic reasons. So that's not who she's really trying to reach. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:26.360 Out to. 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.760 I found it interesting that the day after the debate 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.520 even the New York Times basically said Kamala won the debate. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.840 And I'm not so sure one hundred percent that you 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.760 can say it was a slam dunk. I think for 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.760 the people who believe in Donald Trump, his kind of 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.040 three word sentences that he repeats and barks at you, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:03.160 that authoritarian presence, it works for people. But Chrissy, can 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.720 you talk a little bit about Kamalist strategy. How do 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.120 you think that she did in the sense of trying 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.839 to get under Donald Trump's skin, trying to remain completely composed. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.440 What did you think about this ability that she was 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.240 trying to bait Donald Trump? 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:20.680 So, yeah, I'm with you, Maria. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.920 On the one hand, I wish that she would have 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.320 had some knockouts in the sense that you know, and 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.800 granted I'm looking for different things, right, I want her 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.880 to look at him and say, so, you hate immigrants 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.160 so much, then what do you say to your children 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.440 where four of your five children have immigrant mothers? 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:35.079 Like, what is that? 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.920 He's only what second gen I believe, so turn it 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:39.160 on him and help him see it. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:39.960 He won't see it. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.600 Honestly, I wanted her to be a little stronger on abortion. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.640 Her scripted talking points solid right, Yes there are stories, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.160 Yes there are families. From the DNC, I wanted her 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.080 to just break from the script and just be like, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.720 think about women, think about your sons, right, since some 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.520 white women can't seem to get on board. So it's like, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.760 don't just think about a woman right to choose. It's 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.040 like you're saying grown women can't make decisions for themselves. Hey, 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.280 for those of you who are still on the fence, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.959 think about your sons. If the Republican Party is saying 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:07.719 that birth. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.840 Begins at six weeks, guess who's on the hook, You 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.360 and your family. Think about it that way. If you 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:12.959 want to talk about economics, just. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.400 Get a little less John Carrey and a little more 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.200 let me talk to you in your three word salad. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.600 Then if we need to just get brass tacks, because 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.480 if money is the issue, then let's do it. I 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.360 do worry about the center right movement of the entire 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:27.480 Democratic Party. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:28.640 So I wrote a piece in The. 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.640 Times in twenty twenty one that said, essentially Kamala as 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.640 a track right. When Joe Biden was like, I want 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.840 you to be in charge of voting and COVID and 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.120 the border and immigration. 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.000 And the lasting all the easy things, and was. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.400 Like, and the only thing that's not on there is 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.440 Midley's piece. And then it was like, hey, be in 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:50.160 charge to me, Liz. Fast forward. She had a portfolio 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.440 that we haven't been able to figure out in fifty 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.120 sixty years. Because if money is the reason why everybody 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.440 goes to the polls, which it is, Latinos don't necessarily 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:58.920 go to the polls for immigration, they go to the 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.000 polls for economic issues. Black people don't go to the 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.760 polls because of social justice to go to the poles 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.360 for economic issues. Everybody goes to the polls for economic issues. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.960 All these issues we know can be economic issues if 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:12.320 framed properly. But I wish that she would have just 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:17.239 spoken a little more plainly. But I understand the complexity 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.840 and that tightrope that all of us, all four of us, 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:25.120 have walked, where we can't be as basic as Donald Trump. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.280 She has to show that she's got an elevated, nuanced 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.120 understanding of these incredibly complex ideas. Is it fair that 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:36.280 she's supposed to solve the immigration debacle that Democrats and 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.400 Republicans have created. She's supposed to solve it in the 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.560 next three months. You know, you have so many Democrats 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.240 who it's like, well, she doesn't solve it, then I'm 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.040 not voting. And it's like, really, because we've seen what 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.000 Donald Trump is interested in doing, and he said at 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.000 his rallies, I'm not talking about it he said in 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:51.920 twenty sixteen, or what he said in twenty twenty, what 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.200 he said in twenty twenty. 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.400 Four, He's like, I want everybody out. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.560 And because his idea of America is whiteness, I kind 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.800 of wish I know that that would have been the headline. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.400 Lharis hates America. She said it's whiteness. But his idea 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.880 of America is whiteness. And so this idea, when she's 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.760 so divisive, he is the divisive one. He is the 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.640 one who doesn't understand economics. He's the one who doesn't 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.960 understand terrorists. He's like all the things he says. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:15.320 About Joe Biden's lazy. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.400 It's like, sir, you golf what sixty percent of your presidency? 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.960 Thank goodness, because God forbid you were actually at the office, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.560 you would have caused more damage. So I'm glad that 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.080 you're lazy. I'm glad that you watched TV. He's already 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.280 said he doesn't read. The anti intellectualism of this man 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.160 is what frustrates me, and the expectation that Kamala Harris 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.320 is inheriting, which she did beautifully lay out, like you 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.040 left this mess, we are now the cleanup woman. So 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:40.960 the only thing that sort of encourages me is that 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.560 black women and women of color, we tend to get 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.120 elected when people need a cleanup woman. I wrote a 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.960 paper years ago about the first black mayor of every 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.680 major city is when the city was falling off a cliff. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.120 So that's how you get your first black mayor. And 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.400 then we get Barack Obama. The country's about to fall 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.040 off an economic cliff and drag the rest of the 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:02.920 world down with it. I'm hoping, I'm hopeful that we 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.480 are sadly in a clean up stage. But people are like, Okay, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.960 we need a cleanup woman. But the real issue it 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.560 ain't us guys. Like the data has shown white women 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:11.919 do not. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:13.200 Vote for the Democratic Party. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.480 Candidate Paula knows better than all of us here, Hillary Clinton, 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.639 she didn't get white women. They've only voted for the 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.520 Democratic Party candidate two times since nineteen fifty two when 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.760 we started collecting the data. That was in sixty four 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.160 with LBJ my favorite president, and that was in nineteen 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.120 ninety six second term Bill Clinton. Other than that, white 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.760 women vote with white men overwhelmingly Republican. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:34.360 It's them. 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.520 You don't think this will change that though, Chris, you 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:37.680 after a Rovia way. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.800 This is why I keep saying put abortion at the 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.840 top of the agenda, because abortion is an economic issue. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.040 You making me add people to my family is an 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.000 economic issue. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:49.840 When jade Van says, oh, women don't. 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.320 Care about that. Women care about who they're feeding. Women 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.320 are the ones primarily who go to the grocery store. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.320 They're the ones who they're not credited with doing the 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.119 budgets of the families, but they're the ones who have 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.160 to figure out how many mouths we have to feed. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.520 So I really hope the Democrats and hammer home the 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:08.800 economic repercussions of these draconian policies of Republicans. And last night, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.680 I think Kamala Harrison, she's still an introductory phase even 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.080 though she's been vice president. We all know a lot 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:15.639 of people are like, I don't know who this woman is, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:17.960 and so I think this is why the short runway 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.680 could be good, because it doesn't give some people enough time. 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.800 To sit with their racism. It's ooh, she did say 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:24.439 something that's. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.240 Interesting, and we don't have time to dig through her 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.040 fathers and Marxist Really, that's what I was hoping. Kamala 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:30.640 Harris was like, I know, we don't want to start 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.840 talk about daddy's out here. We don't want to start 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.719 talking about daddy's because we got pictures of your daddy. 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.399 We got pictures like your daddy had a clan rally. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.640 I know we are not talking about daddy's up in here. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.480 He doesn't even seem worried about that either, because his 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.000 supporters Judy his supporters. That's what he was giving them. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.800 Remember in twenty sixteen, he said, I'm the silent majority. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.240 Y'all feel this. Y'all think you all look around, you 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.479 think it's a little too brown. You look around, too 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.160 many people speaking Spanish at your grocery store. You look around, 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.320 it's like too many black people being uppitty with these 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:00.000 fancy degrees. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.800 Look at Obama and his friends, right, So he was giving. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.040 Them that you're so right. He was feeding them that 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:07.560 the entire night. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.120 But here's the thing that can also happen, which is 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:16.240 that progressive folks will also get angry with Kamala for 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.560 not stepping up to the plate and saying, oh, well, 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.560 here's what we have to say about Gaza. It needs 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.639 to stop right now. We need to change the conversation 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.640 on immigration. Oftentimes people are like, oh my god, we're 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.440 so worried if she's going to alienate the white vote. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.360 But is there the possibility that she actually also alienates 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:36.720 more progressive voters. 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:41.360 I think you're seeing her play that very delicate political balance. 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.639 It's actually at times painful to watch. Yeah, because I 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.600