1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Ola, Latino USA listener, it's me Maria no Josa, but 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: you might have also heard me on another Futuro Award 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: winning show. It's called In the Think. I know a 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: lot of you have you know, it's where we talk 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: politics unfiltered. Well, In the Think was on pause for 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: the past year, but I have great news. In the 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Think is back, just in time for the presidential elections, 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: and let me tell you we are better than ever. 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: We have an amazing lineup of rotating co hosts that 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: join me on this season, political scientist doctor Christina Greer, 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: journalist Paula Ramos, and actress and producer Judy Reyes, and 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: together we're going to help you break down this unprecedented 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: political moment, what it means for us, for our communities, 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: for our futuros. So we think you're going to find 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: our conversations really interesting, Dear Latino USA listeners. So today, 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: on this episode, we're going to bring you the first 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: episode of In the Thicks new pop up season. Now. 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: In this episode, we unpacked the recent and likely only 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: presidential debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former president 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: and convicted fellon Donald Trump. Enjoy in the thick and 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: be sure to subscribe to our show wherever you get 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: your podcasts in the thick, don't forget and thank you 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: so much for listening and for being a supporter of 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: Futuro and Latino USA. We just get asked yes and 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: as always yes, Hey, what's up everybody? It's Marie no 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: Hoosa And if you are listening to this, that means 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: you've heard the news. Yo Itt is back for a 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: pop up season. You know, we're gonna be breaking down 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: this unprecedented political moment and what it means for us, 30 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: for our futures. So I have a masked an incredible 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: group of all star co hosts this season that are 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: going to help us unpack the news and go beyond 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: the political noise. You know, we're going to be dropping 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: some f Okay, maybe not all of us, but we're 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: gonna start introducing our new co host with the amazing 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: Chrissy Greer, who is my fellow Birder and Murder. She 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: is a professor of political science at Fordham University. Chrisy 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: Greer was, I was up. 39 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: Ah, I'm so happy to be back together, reunited and 40 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: it feels so good. 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: And also joining us is the wonderful journalist Bao La 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: Ramos frequently on the air at MSNBC and Antelemundo, and Paula, 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: It's great to have you. 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so happy to be here. 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: And of course the wonderful actor producer Judy Reyes. You 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: may have seen her in everything from Jane the Virgin 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: Succession and Scrubs. Yeah, oh, I'm so happy to have 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: you on the show. Judy, Welcome, Thank you for having me. 49 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 4: We've been trying to get together for so long and 50 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 4: I'm honored to be here. 51 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: So this is politics Unfiltered. We're going to get into it. 52 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: It's a challenging day, right because we're acording on September eleventh, 53 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: and we're recording also on the heels of a pretty 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: incredible historic debate between a far right wing so called billionaire, 55 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, the first woman of color 56 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: to get the Democratic Party's nomination for president. So we're 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: going to start by doing one of my favorite things 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: with itt, which is a temperature check. We're going to 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: start with you, Chrissy, how are you feeling on this day? 60 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: Thanks Maria. I always love the temperature check. You know, 61 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: we're in this historic moment. We're On the one hand, 62 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: I'm very excited. Kamala Harris is only the fourth woman 63 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: to ever get to this sort of level. We had 64 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: Geraldine Farr in eighty four New Yorker, we had Sarah 65 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: Palin in two thousand and eight, we had Hillary Clinton 66 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, and now we have Kamala Harris. So 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: it's a historic moment, obviously, but it's also frustrating for 68 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: me because she's neck and neck with someone who's wholly incompetent, 69 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: and so many women, especially women of color, know that 70 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: feeling of standing next to a man where it's like, 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: I can't even believe in the same sentence together the 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: ire that I have for some of the indignities that 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris had to stand through, while this man is 74 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: just he's an automatic lying machine. And so our qualifications 75 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: are better than any presidential candidate we've seen in modern history. 76 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: Donald Trump had zero qualifications, zero elected office before he 77 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: stumbled up per USU. And so I'm hoping that as 78 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: America evolves, Sho'll show herself to be who we hope 79 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: that she can be. She's never been that way before. 80 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: There's a lot of promise obviously in this country. There's 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 2: a lot of beauty in this country. As Marie and 82 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: I know, we're. 83 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 5: Going to convert Paula and Judy into our burden cult. 84 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of. 85 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: You know, and there's so many amazing people in this country, 86 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: and so I'm hoping that November fifth goes the way 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: that it should and it could. 88 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 5: For our sakes. And I guess that's where I am 89 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 5: right now. Excited. 90 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm always optimistic because I teach the youth of America, 91 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: but I'm definitely frustrated as a woman of color having 92 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: to sit through some of this. 93 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: Judy, what's your temperature? How you doing? 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 4: I just can't believe that we aren't like int No, 95 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: you see these numbers, you see these polls. 96 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 5: But I am hopeful. 97 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 4: I think particularly the youth, are really not having it anymore. 98 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So Chrissy has labeled Donald Trump the lying machine. 99 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: I actually went earlier this morning on social media and 100 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: I said, you know, you can't really win a debate 101 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: with a pathological liar, and no one really wants to 102 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: call a former president a pathological liar. Betro I see 103 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: is Baola Comuta? What's your temperature? 104 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 6: Check? 105 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: I woke up to a text from a former friend 106 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: from the Hillary campaign, and I think it reflects how 107 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: I feel. She said at nine am in the morning 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: post debate, she said, this is how I wanted to 109 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: feel after a debate nine years ago. So I'm thinking 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: of everyone that was working in the Hillary Clinton campaign 111 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: right over ten years ago that was almost waiting for 112 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: that moment on stage between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, 113 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: and we never got to see that. And I think 114 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: what people have been here learning since was this assertion 115 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 3: of power. Now, was someone that was able to not 116 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: just convince in a very complicated country that she is 117 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: in fact president show and that she can in fact lead, 118 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: which she one percent did that, but I think do 119 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: something that's even harder at this point after five plus 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: years of lies and the lying machine and the insults, 121 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: which is literally guide America back to reality. Like that 122 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: is the hardest job and the hardest challenge that the 123 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: vice president was up against ground people back to reality 124 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 3: through the conspiracies, through the noise, and through the lies 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 3: and the insults. And I think she was able to 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: achieve that. And so I think in a way it 127 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: feels and I'm cautious when I say this because it 128 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: feels similar to twenty sixteen or there's this optimism and 129 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: there's momentum, and many folks also feel like Hillary Clinton 130 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: won those debates. And so I'm cautious when I say this, 131 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: but it does almost feel like the beginning of the 132 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: end of trump Ism, right. I think everyone saw that, 133 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 3: and now it's kind of up to the trial is 134 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: now back on to Christy's point, it's not back on 135 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: America to figure out like, is this really who we are? 136 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: And that'll at the end of the day, that's that's 137 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: on us. 138 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: Agree with everything that you all have said, and as 139 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: an immigrant and we have what we have. Baola, you 140 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: know you were born in the United States, first gen 141 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: Yepoula's first gen Judy, you were also born in the 142 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: United States, right, Yes, I was Chrissy YouTube. 143 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 5: I'm like twentieth gen over here. 144 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: So okay, so I'm la. We have to talk about 145 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: this insanity that we saw in the debate. Trump started 146 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: talking about this completely untrue story that Haitian immigrants who 147 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: are in Ohio are eating pets. It's a horrible thing. 148 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: It's insane. 149 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: I know, this is what he said. 150 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 7: And look at what's happening to the towns all over 151 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 7: the United States. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the 152 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 7: people that came in, They're eating the cats, they're eating 153 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 7: they're eating the pets of the people that live there. 154 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: The conversation suddenly went from January sixth to let's not 155 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: talk about the people who took over the capitol. Let's 156 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: talk about the people who are coming in on the 157 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: southern border. What the fuck I have to say that. 158 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: The problem for me is that Kamala did not one 159 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: hundred percent lay down the law and say that is 160 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: not true. In fact, she laid out a pretty conservative 161 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: vision on the issue of immigration. And here's what she 162 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: had to say. 163 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 8: Let me say that the United States Congress, including some 164 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 8: of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, 165 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 8: came up with a border security bill, which I supported. 166 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 8: And that bill would have put fifteen hundred more border 167 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 8: agents on the border to help those folks who are 168 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 8: working there right now over time trying to do their job. 169 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 8: It would have allowed us to stem the flow of 170 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 8: fentanyl coming into the United States. That bill would have 171 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 8: put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal 172 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 8: organizations for trafficking and guns drugs and human beings. 173 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: So I guess in my worst moments, I'll just be like, 174 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: my entire career was worth nothing if in the year 175 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, in a presidential election, what we are 176 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: only talking about is how immigrants are destroying the country. 177 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: It's okay, what is happening. I hate this, it's a nightmare. 178 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: But then it's no, it's true. So I want you, first, Boula, 179 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: if you could break down how you saw the conversation 180 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: around immigration in the debate and what were your takeaways. 181 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean two things. One Trump, I honestly thought 182 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: I couldn't be more shocked at anything that he had 183 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 3: to say. Like at this point, I think, unfortunately I've 184 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: become so numb to the attacks. But the moment and 185 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: I laugh because it's so sad now, but the moment 186 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: that he said something along the lines of, you know, 187 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: they referring to the vice president, they want transgender operations 188 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 3: on illego aliens. 189 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 5: At that point, have you seen the memes, Pala. 190 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: Oh my god, the memes are incredible. 191 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 5: From the moment it ended too Twitter never failed. 192 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: But I think that's the point. You see Twitter and 193 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: TikTok and you see the countries pushing back, and at 194 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: what I was missing in that moment was a Democratic 195 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: candidate that is able to take that conversation and do 196 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: what she did so beautifully and so well with the 197 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: issue of abortion, which was humanize this issue, which is 198 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: bring back humanity and dignity to millions and millions of 199 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: women and vulnerable people. And I wanted that when it 200 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,119 Speaker 3: came to immigration. Right here you have an incredible presidential 201 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: candidate with an incredible immigrant story, with an incredible example 202 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 3: of what it is to achieve the American dream, with 203 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: an incredibly unique opportunity to take this narrative and bring 204 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: it back to what it always should be, which is 205 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: define what it means to be an immigrant in this country, 206 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: bring back that dignity, and talk about not just the border, 207 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: but talk about the over eleven million and documented people 208 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: that have been in this country waiting for decades and 209 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: decades to have a moment when they finally too are 210 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: what they have always been, which are Americans. And so 211 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: I think there's the slice of the population. I'm talking 212 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: about the mixed status families. I'm talking about the youth 213 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: vote in Nevada and Arizona and Georgia in Florida. I 214 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: think there's a slice of people that were looking at 215 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: her yesterday, yes, with optimism and inspiration, but they're still 216 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: missing that. No, they they need something else to hold 217 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 3: on to. 218 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean, all of your judy that what we would 219 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: want Kamala Harris to do, what I was expecting her 220 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: to do in that moment on the issue of immigration, 221 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: is to turn to him and say, like in his face, 222 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: you're a disgrace on the conversation of immigration and immigrants. 223 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: It needs to stop and make that so clear and 224 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: instead not Basl which was hard. 225 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 4: She had to do so little to be honest, right, 226 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: all she had to do is expose him and watch 227 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: him fall apart. She had the space to stay conservative 228 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 4: for the sake of the voters that this debate was 229 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 4: actually really for. And we also know that she is 230 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: conservative on immigration, and we can't kid ourselves because that's 231 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 4: not a surprise. It's disappointing because she was very cautious 232 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 4: on all those things that are really important to the 233 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 4: left leaning and liberal democratic side of the voters. But 234 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 4: she's pretty much got us in our pocket for just 235 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 4: realistic reasons. So that's not who she's really trying to reach. 236 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: Out to. 237 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: I found it interesting that the day after the debate 238 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: even the New York Times basically said Kamala won the debate. 239 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: And I'm not so sure one hundred percent that you 240 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: can say it was a slam dunk. I think for 241 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: the people who believe in Donald Trump, his kind of 242 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: three word sentences that he repeats and barks at you, 243 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: that authoritarian presence, it works for people. But Chrissy, can 244 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about Kamalist strategy. How do 245 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: you think that she did in the sense of trying 246 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: to get under Donald Trump's skin, trying to remain completely composed. 247 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: What did you think about this ability that she was 248 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: trying to bait Donald Trump? 249 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 5: So, yeah, I'm with you, Maria. 250 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: On the one hand, I wish that she would have 251 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: had some knockouts in the sense that you know, and 252 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: granted I'm looking for different things, right, I want her 253 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: to look at him and say, so, you hate immigrants 254 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: so much, then what do you say to your children 255 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: where four of your five children have immigrant mothers? 256 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 5: Like, what is that? 257 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: He's only what second gen I believe, so turn it 258 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: on him and help him see it. 259 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 5: He won't see it. 260 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: Honestly, I wanted her to be a little stronger on abortion. 261 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: Her scripted talking points solid right, Yes there are stories, 262 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: Yes there are families. From the DNC, I wanted her 263 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: to just break from the script and just be like, 264 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: think about women, think about your sons, right, since some 265 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: white women can't seem to get on board. So it's like, 266 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: don't just think about a woman right to choose. It's 267 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: like you're saying grown women can't make decisions for themselves. Hey, 268 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: for those of you who are still on the fence, 269 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 2: think about your sons. If the Republican Party is saying 270 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 2: that birth. 271 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 5: Begins at six weeks, guess who's on the hook, You 272 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 5: and your family. Think about it that way. If you 273 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 5: want to talk about economics, just. 274 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: Get a little less John Carrey and a little more 275 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: let me talk to you in your three word salad. 276 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: Then if we need to just get brass tacks, because 277 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: if money is the issue, then let's do it. I 278 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: do worry about the center right movement of the entire 279 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: Democratic Party. 280 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 5: So I wrote a piece in The. 281 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: Times in twenty twenty one that said, essentially Kamala as 282 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: a track right. When Joe Biden was like, I want 283 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: you to be in charge of voting and COVID and 284 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: the border and immigration. 285 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: And the lasting all the easy things, and was. 286 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: Like, and the only thing that's not on there is 287 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: Midley's piece. And then it was like, hey, be in 288 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: charge to me, Liz. Fast forward. She had a portfolio 289 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: that we haven't been able to figure out in fifty 290 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: sixty years. Because if money is the reason why everybody 291 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: goes to the polls, which it is, Latinos don't necessarily 292 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: go to the polls for immigration, they go to the 293 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: polls for economic issues. Black people don't go to the 294 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: polls because of social justice to go to the poles 295 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: for economic issues. Everybody goes to the polls for economic issues. 296 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: All these issues we know can be economic issues if 297 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: framed properly. But I wish that she would have just 298 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,239 Speaker 2: spoken a little more plainly. But I understand the complexity 299 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: and that tightrope that all of us, all four of us, 300 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: have walked, where we can't be as basic as Donald Trump. 301 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: She has to show that she's got an elevated, nuanced 302 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: understanding of these incredibly complex ideas. Is it fair that 303 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: she's supposed to solve the immigration debacle that Democrats and 304 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: Republicans have created. She's supposed to solve it in the 305 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: next three months. You know, you have so many Democrats 306 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: who it's like, well, she doesn't solve it, then I'm 307 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: not voting. And it's like, really, because we've seen what 308 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is interested in doing, and he said at 309 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: his rallies, I'm not talking about it he said in 310 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, or what he said in twenty twenty, what 311 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: he said in twenty twenty. 312 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 5: Four, He's like, I want everybody out. 313 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: And because his idea of America is whiteness, I kind 314 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: of wish I know that that would have been the headline. 315 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: Lharis hates America. She said it's whiteness. But his idea 316 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: of America is whiteness. And so this idea, when she's 317 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: so divisive, he is the divisive one. He is the 318 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: one who doesn't understand economics. He's the one who doesn't 319 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: understand terrorists. He's like all the things he says. 320 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 5: About Joe Biden's lazy. 321 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: It's like, sir, you golf what sixty percent of your presidency? 322 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: Thank goodness, because God forbid you were actually at the office, 323 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: you would have caused more damage. So I'm glad that 324 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: you're lazy. I'm glad that you watched TV. He's already 325 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: said he doesn't read. The anti intellectualism of this man 326 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: is what frustrates me, and the expectation that Kamala Harris 327 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: is inheriting, which she did beautifully lay out, like you 328 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: left this mess, we are now the cleanup woman. So 329 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: the only thing that sort of encourages me is that 330 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: black women and women of color, we tend to get 331 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: elected when people need a cleanup woman. I wrote a 332 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: paper years ago about the first black mayor of every 333 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: major city is when the city was falling off a cliff. 334 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: So that's how you get your first black mayor. And 335 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: then we get Barack Obama. The country's about to fall 336 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: off an economic cliff and drag the rest of the 337 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: world down with it. I'm hoping, I'm hopeful that we 338 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: are sadly in a clean up stage. But people are like, Okay, 339 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: we need a cleanup woman. But the real issue it 340 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: ain't us guys. Like the data has shown white women 341 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: do not. 342 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 5: Vote for the Democratic Party. 343 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: Candidate Paula knows better than all of us here, Hillary Clinton, 344 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: she didn't get white women. They've only voted for the 345 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: Democratic Party candidate two times since nineteen fifty two when 346 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: we started collecting the data. That was in sixty four 347 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: with LBJ my favorite president, and that was in nineteen 348 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: ninety six second term Bill Clinton. Other than that, white 349 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: women vote with white men overwhelmingly Republican. 350 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 5: It's them. 351 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: You don't think this will change that though, Chris, you 352 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 3: after a Rovia way. 353 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: This is why I keep saying put abortion at the 354 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: top of the agenda, because abortion is an economic issue. 355 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: You making me add people to my family is an 356 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: economic issue. 357 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 5: When jade Van says, oh, women don't. 358 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: Care about that. Women care about who they're feeding. Women 359 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: are the ones primarily who go to the grocery store. 360 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: They're the ones who they're not credited with doing the 361 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: budgets of the families, but they're the ones who have 362 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 2: to figure out how many mouths we have to feed. 363 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: So I really hope the Democrats and hammer home the 364 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: economic repercussions of these draconian policies of Republicans. And last night, 365 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: I think Kamala Harrison, she's still an introductory phase even 366 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: though she's been vice president. We all know a lot 367 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: of people are like, I don't know who this woman is, 368 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: and so I think this is why the short runway 369 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: could be good, because it doesn't give some people enough time. 370 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 5: To sit with their racism. It's ooh, she did say 371 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 5: something that's. 372 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: Interesting, and we don't have time to dig through her 373 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: fathers and Marxist Really, that's what I was hoping. Kamala 374 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: Harris was like, I know, we don't want to start 375 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: talk about daddy's out here. We don't want to start 376 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 2: talking about daddy's because we got pictures of your daddy. 377 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 5: We got pictures like your daddy had a clan rally. 378 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 5: I know we are not talking about daddy's up in here. 379 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 5: He doesn't even seem worried about that either, because his 380 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 5: supporters Judy his supporters. That's what he was giving them. 381 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: Remember in twenty sixteen, he said, I'm the silent majority. 382 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: Y'all feel this. Y'all think you all look around, you 383 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 2: think it's a little too brown. You look around, too 384 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: many people speaking Spanish at your grocery store. You look around, 385 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: it's like too many black people being uppitty with these 386 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: fancy degrees. 387 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 5: Look at Obama and his friends, right, So he was giving. 388 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: Them that you're so right. He was feeding them that 389 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: the entire night. 390 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: But here's the thing that can also happen, which is 391 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: that progressive folks will also get angry with Kamala for 392 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: not stepping up to the plate and saying, oh, well, 393 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: here's what we have to say about Gaza. It needs 394 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: to stop right now. We need to change the conversation 395 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: on immigration. Oftentimes people are like, oh my god, we're 396 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: so worried if she's going to alienate the white vote. 397 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: But is there the possibility that she actually also alienates 398 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: more progressive voters. 399 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 3: I think you're seeing her play that very delicate political balance. 400 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 3: It's actually at times painful to watch. Yeah, because I 401 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: think in her core, I do believe that she wants 402 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: something different from President Biden. I do truly believe that 403 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 3: she fundamentally believes in the humanity and dignity of everyone 404 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: that's in Kaza. 405 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: So we happen to have our producer, Ariel Goodman, who 406 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: is based in Philadelphia, which is where the debate took place, 407 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: and outside of the convention center there were hundreds of 408 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: protesters who were sharing their voices, and so Arielle was 409 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: able to talk to one New Jersey resident who was 410 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: at the protest name Safe, and this is what Safe 411 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: had to say. 412 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 6: We keep being told that we have to vote blue 413 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 6: no matter who, and that democracy is on the line. 414 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 6: But it's not a democracy if we can't stop our 415 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 6: government from backing a genocide. My message to the candidates is, 416 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 6: neither of you have ever actually earned any of our votes. 417 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 6: I'm Palestinian, I've lost I don't even know how many 418 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 6: family members, and there I risk every single day wherever 419 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 6: they are. 420 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: I hope that in the next couple of weeks you'll 421 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 3: see her kind of pushing the limit. But I think unfortunately, 422 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: or fortunately, I think they're counting on the very same 423 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: formula that they counted on in twenty twenty, which is 424 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, the moment that people 425 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: are able to vote early vote on November, it'll come 426 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 3: down to this. Now, it'll come down to hopefully people's 427 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 3: ability to perceive the existential threat of democracy just being 428 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: on the verge of a crisis. And I think it'll 429 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: come down to that. It's an interesting question of what 430 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: will that work again. I think as a party it's 431 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: important for voters to push their candidates like I think 432 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: it's good for the undecided vote. And the uncommitted vote 433 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: to push and push, because that is essentially how democracies 434 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 3: work better. That's how you push the party to be 435 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 3: a better party, and that's how you mobilize people by 436 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: giving them a reason to believe in something. And so 437 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 3: I hope that she'll deliver on that, but I think 438 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, they're counting on the 439 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: same formula now in the face of Donald Trump, and 440 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: people will rise to that threat. 441 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: You all know that one of my deep critiques of 442 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: the moment is the inability of our friends and colleagues 443 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: in the mainstream media to really understand what it is 444 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: to be dealing with an authoritarian, with someone who uses 445 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: propaganda and lies. And so of course we were watching 446 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: really closely with what was happening with the anchors at ABC, 447 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: Lindsey Davis and David Muir. I also didn't know that 448 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: David muirr was the most watched evening news anchor. 449 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: But okay, okay, and he's over fifty and I'm I'm 450 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: obviously the ggest person in this whole chat, but he's 451 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 3: also in my group chat. Everyone was just who is 452 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: this man? 453 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 5: Pala? Just to help you feel better? In my group chat. 454 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: Everyone's just like, I have a crush on Paleramos. You 455 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: can have muor in your group chat. Paleramos is at 456 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: the top of my group chet. Everybody's got a crash 457 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: on Bala. 458 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 5: Just to let you know. 459 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: I love that, all right, all right, I'm blushing. 460 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: So the question is that, yes, they did do a 461 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: slightly better job of fact checking certain moments with Donald Trump, 462 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: but we also witnessed that too many times Donald Trump 463 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: would start speaking when his microphone was off, when he 464 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be speaking, and then they would open 465 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: the mic and let him talk, which I was like, 466 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: why are you doing this? Why are you doing this now? 467 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: According to MSNBC, Kamales Harris spoke a total of twenty 468 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: three times and Donald Trump spoke a total of thirty 469 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: nine times, almost twice as much. Trump immediately came out 470 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: and saying, oh my god, it was three against one 471 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: and he was being bulldozed and all that. But I 472 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: want to ask, and we're going to start with you, Judy, 473 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: like how do you moderate and actually, as a Dominican 474 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: woman who understands because having had an authoritarian dictator in 475 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: the DR through Hillo, which everybody always talks about if 476 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: you're a Dominican, what do you think is the role 477 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: of journalism the mainstream media in this particular moment in 478 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: managing someone like Donald Trump. 479 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 4: Honestly, I think they did more than I expected in 480 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 4: terms of when they fact checked him on the abortions 481 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 4: after the babies were born and stuff. 482 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 5: I was impressed. 483 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, okay, but he is impossible 484 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 4: to keep up with. But no matter how much they 485 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 4: try to stay on top of him, he's just going 486 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 4: to go in there. I noticed that, and I resented 487 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 4: that they kept opening his mind. Yeah, I don't think 488 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 4: that it hurt her. I think that at the end 489 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 4: she figured it out. I heard somebody's quote not too 490 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 4: long ago who said, no one knows their oppressor better 491 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 4: than the oppressed. So she just figured him out real quick, 492 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 4: and Okay, he was getting more of the opportunities to talk, 493 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 4: and she just let him bury himself with everything he 494 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 4: was saying. And it put her in that position to 495 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 4: not need to do a lot more in terms of 496 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 4: being more aggressive or original. So there is that room, 497 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 4: I agree with you, Paula, where she still has to 498 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 4: prove herself. Is she going to do it in the press. 499 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to debate her again. Oh no, 500 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 4: do you know what I'm saying. 501 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: You think it's over, You think that's it. 502 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, he is going to spend his time talking about 503 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 4: how it was three against one. 504 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 5: He's not going to talk to her anymore. 505 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: While the debate was going on, my students are in 506 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: a WhatsApp chat, so they were essentially live chatting the debate, 507 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: and I just watched the comments and they're just to 508 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: Judy's point, they're seeing Donald Trump unravel and they're like, 509 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: this guy looks he's just old and now he's rambling. 510 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: And so I'm watching the debate from my political science 511 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 2: lens of a black woman at a certain age. And 512 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 2: then I'm also watching the debate with this running commentary 513 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: of eighteen to twenty year olds who were watching it, 514 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: and they were more impressed with what Kamala Harris is saying, 515 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: because the hyperbole of Donald Trump gets really exhausting. 516 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: Talking about media and journalism, Baula, Yeah, I mean, there's 517 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: no way that we can put our heads in the 518 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: sand and not talk about the fact that your dad, 519 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: Horre Ramos is leaving Unibisi and having just been in 520 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: southern Florida doing a piece about mis and disinformation aimed 521 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: at Spanish speakers, the fact that your dad Ramos is 522 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: leaving Univision is a real punch, a gut punch in 523 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: terms of providing information. But I guess for you this 524 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: is emotional, right, it's your dad, but it's also like 525 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: a major story in every mainstream media. So your thoughts 526 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: about what we do with the loss of a really 527 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: important voice and how obviously you're feeling part of the void. 528 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: But it's film garpeim Garpe. 529 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: Sees what I mean. You know, my dad has been 530 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: in Univision for over forty years, I mean my entire life, 531 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 3: No since since I was born and grew up watching 532 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: him in that studio, and for thirty eight years he 533 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 3: co anchored in the dcio Nivision, And so I think 534 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 3: it was so incredible to watch the stories and the 535 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 3: news and the love he received, and more than anything, 536 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 3: because it kind of affirmed the legacy that he leaves behind, 537 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 3: which is the trust that he was able to instill 538 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 3: in a community of Ladinos and a grand stuff for decades, 539 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: had few voices, now yours included Maria and his and 540 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: few others that when were there were nowhere else to watch, 541 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: they went to NABC and then they trusted him. And 542 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: so you're right, it is concerning because it leaves a 543 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: void within a Spanish language media ecosystem that is trying 544 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: to figure out if a shift to the right is 545 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: the direction that they'll take. Clearly, there is an attempt, 546 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: and I think that attempt started very clearly with endriquesseere 547 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: Do's interview with Donald Trump, where there was no fact checking, 548 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 3: there was no pushback, and like I said before, and 549 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 3: maybe that is the beginning of a new chapter for 550 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 3: when you be soon. The beautiful thing about my dad 551 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 3: and every single person in this podcast is that people 552 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 3: follow you. No, if they trust you, they will follow 553 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: you anywhere. 554 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: Christy, something that is bringing you joy, happy, smiling laughter? 555 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: Is it a bird? I don't know what's making you happy? 556 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 5: Okay? 557 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: So I went to girl Scout camp and we would 558 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: sing this song make new friends, but keep the old 559 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: one is silver and the other's gold. And I'm super 560 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: excited about this new podcast venture with you all. I've 561 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 2: known Maria for years. I mean, I get to hang 562 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: out with the Puellers Prize winner. I mean, come on, 563 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: but I'm so excited to spend more time with you, Judy, 564 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: more time with you, Paula. 565 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 5: I have so much respect for you ladies. 566 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: Even though the world is crazy, it's still just so 567 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: much beauty out there. Physical beauty is Maria and I 568 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 2: know and are tree hugging selves, but just there's so 569 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: many great people who are working for good, and both 570 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: of you, Judy and Paula, I know in your work 571 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 2: you all do that. Maria is like my partner in crime. 572 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: There's always room for new friends, new conversations, and to 573 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: just cherish the old friendships that you have. So thank you, 574 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: Maria for putting a new gang together. I feel like 575 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: we're a new band and I'm excited. 576 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: Okay, Paula, what's bringing you something? Joy? Happy, smiling? 577 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: Two things? One, to wake up to a Taylor Swift endorsement, 578 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: regardless if you're a Democrat or a Republican, Like, how 579 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 3: incredible it is to think about these like young gen 580 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: zers that have suddenly this person that they absolutely adore 581 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: and idolize. And so I was just thinking about how 582 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: much that must sting if you're like in the Trump 583 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: camp right now. That brings me somewhat joy. And then 584 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: to Chrissy's point, I'm often used to speaking in these 585 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: sort of limited spaces. Now on the TV is so fast, 586 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: and being on the road is so fast, and even 587 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: when you write, it's so isolating. And so to be 588 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: able to ma, yeah, you told me this would happened, 589 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: not to be able to just be myself and talk 590 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: and learn from these incredible three women, and wow, first time. 591 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: So thank you, oh in the thick ist bringing you joy. 592 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so happy. 593 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: And I just started. 594 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 5: Look at that Judy, I have to concur and agree. 595 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 4: I feel honored and I feel a great opportunity here 596 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 4: to learn. My kid watched the debate yesterday and they 597 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: were on a thread with their friends. My kid is friends, 598 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 4: and to see how invested they were and how entertained 599 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: and how amused and how impacted, how relieved, and how 600 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 4: everything went and unfolded. They were running around giggling, texting 601 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 4: with their friends, showing me means and all that shit 602 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: that makes a difference to me, and it reminds me 603 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 4: what an impact this person in the world has on 604 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 4: every single person, just like everything that Trump has brought 605 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 4: and how it's just manifested it self into everything, not 606 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 4: only in this country and people all over the world. 607 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 4: Is really depressing. And I feel like everything that continues 608 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 4: to happen with this democratic endorsement and with Kamala almost 609 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 4: won't let us give up. And it's created space and 610 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 4: opportunity and inspiration. And I think, particularly for Latinos, no 611 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 4: matter how conservative or liberty is or becomes, I woke 612 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 4: up excited to be excited. Does that make sense? Yeah, 613 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 4: I think we're good. We're good because you start making 614 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 4: connections with people. That creates the conversation that motivates people 615 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 4: to make phone calls and volunteer and vote and you know, 616 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 4: just drop it. 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