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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: The I gotta say it was a good day. Addition,

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Speaker 2: sorry bad cold strained voice you know singing this week,

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Speaker 2: as we look back at a memorable day in the Jungles,

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Speaker 2: Saturday's dramatic overtime win over the Vikings coming up, radio replays,

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Speaker 2: locker room comments and postgame analysis from Dave Lappum. Then

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Speaker 2: in this week's fun Facts Conversation, the incredible life story

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Speaker 2: of Bengals tight ends coach James Casey. The Bengals Booth

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Speaker 2: thing since the Coffin Nails banner. As Evan McPherson's game

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Speaker 2: winning field goal is flying toward the goalpost. On Saturday,

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Speaker 2: fans in the end zone unfurled a banner right between

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Speaker 2: the uprights that said coffin nails a nod to what

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Speaker 2: Dave Lapham and I usually say after the play that

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Speaker 2: clinches of Bengals win. It was much appreciated and more

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Speaker 2: proof that Bengals fans are the best and have made

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Speaker 2: the Jungle one of the loudest and toughest environments for

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Speaker 2: visiting teams in the NFL. Now time for radio replays

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Speaker 2: from an incredible come from behind win over Minnesota. With

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Speaker 2: four games left in the regular season, nearly forty percent

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Speaker 2: of the AFC has a record of seven and six

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Speaker 2: six out of sixteen teams, the Bengals are one of them,

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Speaker 2: and chances are only two of those six will make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: That makes today's.

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Speaker 2: Home game against the Minnesota Vikings critical and it is

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Speaker 2: time for the pig skin to fly. Here in the Jungle.

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Speaker 2: Browning throwing it deep for Jamar Chase. He's got it

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Speaker 2: as he makes an arms extended catch before going out

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that's an unbelievable throw because Jake

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Speaker 3: Browning got blown up.

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Speaker 2: Robbins with his right knee on the field turf. He

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Speaker 2: catches the long snap, puts the ball down. The kick

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Speaker 2: is knocked through by Evan McPherson, and the Bengals score

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Speaker 2: on their opening possession.

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Speaker 1: To take a three to nothing lead.

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Speaker 2: Trips out to the left, Hockinson out to the right,

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Speaker 2: Mullins looking throwing, intercepted at the goal line.

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Speaker 1: Mike Hilton running it back.

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Speaker 2: He stumbles and goes down at the seventy yard line.

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Speaker 2: Have the Bengals get a red zone takeaway? Three receivers left,

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Speaker 2: one out to the right. Mullins has the ball, He's

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Speaker 2: looking left. Here comes the rush. Mullets sacked by beaj Hill.

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Speaker 1: The ball comes out.

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Speaker 2: Have the Bengals recover with twenty seconds left in the half.

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Speaker 3: He came up with the ball.

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Speaker 2: They were all about two takeaways in the red zone

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Speaker 3: Unreal.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's standing up here in the jungle. Third down and

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Speaker 2: nine from the Cincinnati thirty eight. Nick Mullens clapping his hands.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati sends five Bullins in trouble pros caught by Annison.

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Speaker 2: Nobody left to tackle him. He will streak down the

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Speaker 3: DJ Turner went for the deflection. He left his feet.

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Speaker 3: He went to make a play on the football, and

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Speaker 2: Browning back to throw his pass for Higgins in the

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Speaker 2: end zone. Touchdown Bengals. A perfect throw from Jake Browning

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Speaker 3: Don't mess around. First down in the red zone, go

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Speaker 2: Browning drops back to throw four come after him. Browning

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Speaker 2: first down at the nineteen a Minnesota shake. Browning putting

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Speaker 2: Everybody bunched in tight. They handed to Mixon. He gets hit,

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Speaker 1: Forty eight seconds left in regulation.

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Speaker 2: On second and ten, Browning, scrambling right in trouble, throws

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Speaker 2: an incredible catch by T. Higgins, and the Bengals have

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Speaker 1: I can't believe what T Higgins just did.

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Speaker 3: Unreal. I mean Jake Browning to put it in the

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Speaker 2: Can the Bengals stop Minnesota on fourth down in about

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Speaker 2: two inches in over time, which at the forty one

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you love to have DJ Reader in there for this.

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Speaker 2: Now Mullins will be under center, Chandler lined up behind him.

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Speaker 2: The Vikings try the bush. The Bengals appear to have

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Speaker 2: Looks like the Vikings lost yardage going for the touch push.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'll tell you they got off the ball faster

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Speaker 3: That defensive charge was unbelievable, I thought, man, is that

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Speaker 4: And it was?

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Speaker 2: The Bengals will take over at their own forty two

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Speaker 3: That's the first time all year Minnesota has been stopped

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Speaker 1: The Vikings showing pressure.

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Speaker 2: Here comes the Blants, Browning looking scrambling to the right,

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Speaker 2: Browning throwing down field. It is Cod Tyler Boyd still

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Speaker 2: An incredible throw in a narrow window by Jake Browning.

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Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd made the catch. Stayed on his feet. The

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Speaker 2: Bengals convert on third down and nine, and now they

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Speaker 2: are well within the field goal range of Evan McPherson.

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Speaker 2: This will be from twenty nine yards away from straightaway,

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Speaker 2: off field goal of his NFL career and his second

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Speaker 2: in a span of three weeks. Robbin's ready to hold

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Speaker 2: the snap, the placement, the right footed kick. Oh, it

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Speaker 2: is good, and the Bengals are still alive in the

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Speaker 2: playoff hut as they rally from a fourteen point deficit

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Speaker 2: in the fourth corner and beat them Minnesota Vikings in

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Speaker 2: over time twenty seven to twenty four. Now let's hear

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Speaker 2: from head coach Zach Taylor, who spent a few minutes

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Speaker 2: with Lap after the game.

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Speaker 3: Man, I've been saying it in the locker room the

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Speaker 3: whole time here, as the legendary Jim Volvano said, don't

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Speaker 3: give up, don't ever give up. I mean, that's this

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Speaker 5: I love these guys. You know, they just find a

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Speaker 5: way to overcome the adversity. There's a lot of diversity

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Speaker 5: in that game. I never panicked down fourteen points. Things

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Speaker 5: weren't going great. We weren't in great rhythm on offense

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Speaker 3: Just to tick off, you know, I mean, just to

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Speaker 3: you know, there were plays to be made and take

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Speaker 3: first half. But to come from behind twenty one points

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Speaker 3: scored in the fourth quarter against that defensive football team,

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Speaker 3: that's pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 5: I'm just proud of our guys, proud of the coaches

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Speaker 5: for the play that they prepare. That starts with Brian Callahan.

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Speaker 5: I thought he did a great job this week steering

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Speaker 5: sometimes it takes some time. You're playing a good defense.

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Speaker 3: It's tough.

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Speaker 5: It's an orthodox defense, and so it's not gonna be

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Speaker 5: perfect the whole game, and just got to hang in

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Speaker 5: there and find your moments, and our guys did.

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Speaker 3: What does it take to go against defense like that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, patients, you know it's not going to

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Speaker 3: always go the way you think, But I mean, what's

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Speaker 3: That's so unorthodox?

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Speaker 5: I think just patients and try to stay one step ahead.

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Speaker 5: They throw a lot at you, so it can be

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Speaker 5: difficult to do. It starts with the quarterback not being

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Speaker 5: Jake did not. He was not overwhelmed. He did a

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Speaker 5: great job managing it. The guys around him did a

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Speaker 5: great job managing it. And I'll us to be successful.

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Speaker 3: Through for over three hundred yards, I think hit at

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Speaker 3: least eleven different receivers. I mean, he's he's tripping the

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Speaker 3: ball very very well, isn't he. He's done a great job.

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Speaker 5: You know, he blongs in this league and he's proven

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Speaker 5: that every week and he's proven it to this locker

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Speaker 5: room for a long time now. That's why he's gotten

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Speaker 5: the opportunity he has, and I'm really proud of him.

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Speaker 3: The touchdown run that Joe Mixon had was jaw dropping

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Speaker 3: about second third effort.

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Speaker 5: Huge fourth down, got to get in. You know, that's

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Speaker 5: a game changing play right there. And he did it

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Speaker 5: very similar last week and he did again this week.

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Speaker 3: So they were five for five on fourth and one

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Speaker 3: coming into the football game. Fourth and one. You score

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Speaker 3: a touchdown fourth and two inches, they lose three inches.

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Speaker 3: I mean that ended up being a big deciding factor

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Speaker 5: I saw our guys get a tremendous push on that

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Speaker 5: to get him stopped, and it looked like he bobbled

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Speaker 5: a snap because of it. And so again, it was

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Speaker 5: very similar to when we beat Minnesota a couple of

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Speaker 5: years ago. Got a defensive stop at the same field

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Speaker 5: in overtime, gave the offense the ball, hit one big play,

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Speaker 5: and then Evan seals it for us.

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Speaker 3: Same score. Okay, I think it was yeah score. I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty sure, man, I'll tell you so. I know. I know.

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Speaker 3: It's one week at a time. Can you celebrate for

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Speaker 3: a while. Can you go home and celebrate this game

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Speaker 3: for a while. You're going right to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: I can go home and relax.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 5: We're done with football for today. We'll pick up tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 5: you know. And it's a normal seven day week for once.

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Speaker 5: We haven't had a seven day week and since last year.

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Speaker 3: I think you know what you've done keeping this football

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Speaker 2: the radio guy's recap lap. That was an amazing, memorable game.

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Speaker 2: So many key plays that the Bengals absolutely had to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the first half they had things, opportunity knocked

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Speaker 3: They made every play they could possibly make, and some

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Speaker 2: Jake Browning was incredible in the second half. He threw

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Speaker 3: No doubt, lots of work to do. They get a

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Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting to watch Jake Browning in this

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Speaker 2: Saturday Number one was successful. Bring on the Steelers next

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Speaker 3: Bring on the Steelers and Joe Mixon that touchdown run

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Speaker 2: it's time for this week's fun facts conversation. Normally this

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Speaker 6: You know, you deal with something like that, and a

439
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Speaker 6: lot of people, you know, turned to drugs or they

440
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 6: just turned just giving up and not caring. But eventually

441
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 6: came I had like a kind of like epiphany or

442
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 6: like awareness to say, like, well, my mom would not

443
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Speaker 6: have wanted me to just feel sorry for myself and

444
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 6: be moping around and and you know, making bad grades

445
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Speaker 6: in school and not trying in sports. So I just said,

446
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 6: you know, she would have wanted me to you know,

447
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 6: that happened. It's it's it's there's nothing can change about it.

448
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 6: So the only thing I could do is, you know,

449
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Speaker 6: try to make the best of whatever I can do

450
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Speaker 6: and make her proud. So you know, I really just said,

451
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Speaker 6: you know what, she would want me to do great

452
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Speaker 6: things and be good. And so after that happened, I

453
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 6: really picked it up even more so like my work ethic,

454
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 6: my my school, my sports, I just try to be

455
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 6: wanted to try to be the best just to just

456
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Speaker 6: because that's how I feel like you should do things

457
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 6: like try to maximize everything, all your potentials, and it's

458
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Speaker 6: like you don't want to let people down.

459
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Speaker 4: And so once.

460
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Speaker 6: I've realized that, and I had a ton of support

461
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 6: from the city, like azel text, like I had, I

462
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 6: had people buying me clothes, you know, I had there

463
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Speaker 6: was a guy that got me a truck, like you know,

464
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 6: I ended up having nicer things afterwards, I mean, a

465
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 6: terrible situation, but I had a lot of people around

466
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Speaker 6: me the helping me. And you know, my wife, you know,

467
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Speaker 6: I'm married high school sweethearts. We've been married in seventeen years,

468
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Speaker 6: so she came along ride for that. And like anything

469
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Speaker 6: in life, you need a lot of people helping you,

470
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Speaker 6: no matter how hard you work.

471
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Speaker 4: And I had a lot of people around me helping me.

472
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Speaker 2: Did you learn about the inherent goodness of people through that?

473
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Speaker 4: I did. Yeah.

474
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Speaker 6: I learned about how how you know, we were speaking

475
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Speaker 6: of texts earlier, just how people there are, like genuinely

476
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Speaker 6: good people out there that are they don't want anything

477
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Speaker 6: in return, They're just they just want to help, especially

478
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Speaker 6: when you're young, you know.

479
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Speaker 4: But I also learned that.

480
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 6: You have to show you have to show some initiative

481
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 6: and some addition ambition first for people to help you.

482
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Speaker 6: You know, if I would have been a kid that

483
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Speaker 6: wasn't making I was making terrible grades, or I wasn't

484
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Speaker 6: trying hard in sports, I don't think I would.

485
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 4: Have had as much help. But everybody in the community,

486
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: like knew that I was.

487
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Speaker 6: You know, I made straight a's in school before that,

488
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Speaker 6: and I was I was good in sports.

489
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Speaker 4: I worked hard, I was tough.

490
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Speaker 6: So I think all the people that knew me and

491
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Speaker 6: knew my situation, they knew I was a kid that

492
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Speaker 6: like wanted to do well, and they knew I wasn't

493
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Speaker 6: like normal kids stuff. But I wasn't. I wasn't a

494
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Speaker 6: kid that was like, you know, trying to be disrespectful

495
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Speaker 6: all the time. So I think because because how I

496
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 6: was beforehand, that they knew I was like work.

497
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 4: I was a hard worker.

498
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Speaker 6: I did things. I tried to do things the right way.

499
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Speaker 6: So then I had a whole bunch of help because

500
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Speaker 6: of that. And then and they didn't want anything to

501
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 6: return there. You know, I had people that would, you know,

502
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 6: give me stuff and I didn't even know where.

503
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 4: It was coming from, and.

504
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 6: And not still just you know, if I wouldn't have

505
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 6: all that help, like who knows what I could have done.

506
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Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot of people in those same

507
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 6: circumstances where it goes you know, probably the majority of

508
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Speaker 6: people in those same circumstances where it goes downhill.

509
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Speaker 4: In her life.

510
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Speaker 6: But because I had all those people helping me it,

511
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 6: you know, I just used it as motivation.

512
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: I still do to this day.

513
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 6: Just trying to never want to let people down and

514
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 6: trying to achieve is you know, do the best I

515
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Speaker 6: can and achieve great things.

516
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Speaker 2: We're visiting the tight Ends coach James Casey. You were

517
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: a hard throwing pitcher as a kid. You got drafted

518
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Speaker 2: by the White Sox right out of high school and

519
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: spent four years in pro baseball, playing in places like Bristol,

520
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: Virginia and Great Falls, Montana. How would you describe the experience.

521
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Speaker 6: It was an unbelievable, valuable experience for me, like coming

522
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 6: out of high school in Azel, you know, dealing with

523
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 6: the story you just heard about my mom and having

524
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 6: even before that happened, and you know, I lived in

525
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 6: like really bad trailer. We had roaches, like we just

526
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Speaker 6: we didn't have a lot of money. So I grew

527
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 6: up real poor. And then I got drafted in baseball

528
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Speaker 6: in the seventh round. So I'm thinking I'm going to

529
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Speaker 6: the big leagues. I'm going to be an All Star.

530
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Speaker 6: And I was. I was talented. I mean I had

531
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Speaker 6: the potential to, but I didn't have the mindset. You know,

532
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 6: I was eighteen years old and never even really been

533
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 6: out of the city. And then I go play minor

534
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Speaker 6: League Baseball, and I'm traveling around on buses and the

535
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 6: minor leaguers don't make any money whatsoever. I had a

536
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 6: little bit of a signing bonus, but you know, I

537
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 6: thought I was rich at that time. But I think

538
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 6: my signing bonus was one hundred and twenty thousand, which

539
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 6: to me, it was like, I'm rich, you know, but

540
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 6: you know, big picture wise, that's not that's not going

541
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 6: to sustain me for my whole life. But I learned,

542
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 6: like it was a great experience getting to meet a

543
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 6: lot of different people. Being a professional athlete eighteen years old,

544
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 6: I learned a lot of valuable lessons. And then once

545
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 6: I got fired in baseball because I couldn't throw strikes

546
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Speaker 6: and I just I didn't have like any training as

547
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 6: a kid, so that was my only training.

548
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Speaker 4: It was professional.

549
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 6: And I've heard the two worst players, and I would

550
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 6: believe in the two worst players you can coach or

551
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 6: that are the players that don't do anything you say,

552
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 6: and then the player that does everything you say, like exactly.

553
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Speaker 4: I was. I was the kid that did everything they said.

554
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 6: Exactly, which you know, sometimes you know, coaches are great sometimes,

555
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 6: but sometimes coaches say some things that are more like,

556
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 6: you know, maybe it doesn't fit you as well, and

557
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 6: you got to you know, be respectful, but say you

558
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 6: know that that's not gonna work for me that well,

559
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 6: like I need to, I need to stick with some

560
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 6: of the stuff that got me here. So when I

561
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 6: when I got fired from baseball, and that's probably be

562
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 6: the next question, but I really took a lot of

563
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 6: valuable lessons about you know, like not and I was

564
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Speaker 6: worried about what everybody else was doing. Like so once

565
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 6: I let once that happened, I was like, I'm not

566
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 6: worried about what anybody else is doing.

567
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: And I'm not.

568
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 6: I'm not, you know, I'm rooting for everybody. There's more

569
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 6: than enough to go around for everybody, because when you're

570
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 6: in baseball, it's so individual. I caught myself like, you know,

571
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 6: want you know, like if somebody's out there pitching, I

572
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 6: was like, if they were doing well, I was like, man,

573
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 6: if he's doing well, he's gonna get called up.

574
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: And I'm not, which is a terrible mindset.

575
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: You know.

576
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 6: I should have been rooting for that guy and trying

577
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 6: to like learn learn things as much as I could

578
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 6: and and just not taking a lot of craft from people,

579
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 6: not being disrespectful, but also like being confident, you know,

580
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 6: Like I just learned how to be confident and make

581
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 6: sure I had no regrets on anything else I did.

582
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 6: So after I got fired in baseball, it's like I've

583
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 6: not had any regrets. Nobody's out working me. I'm always

584
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 6: going to be the guy that works hard on everybody else.

585
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 6: And because I'm if if like it's NFL coaching, if

586
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 6: it didn't work out, I'm still gonna hold my head

587
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 6: up because I know I'm doing everything I possibly can

588
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 6: to be a great coach and to help the tight

589
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 6: ends as much as I can.

590
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: You use the term fired as opposed to cut or released.

591
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: Is there a reason?

592
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't like to, you know, I'm pretty like

593
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 6: blunt with things like I don't like to sugarcoat things

594
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 6: like I mean, it's just my own personal thing, like

595
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 6: like when I was playing the NFL, Like I didn't

596
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 6: retire from the NFL. I got fired and then nobody

597
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 6: else hire me, Like I don't. I'm not trying to

598
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 6: like make myself feel better of anything. It's like, you know,

599
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 6: that's just part of life, you got, you know, and

600
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 6: it just like keeps me motivated. Because you don't want

601
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 6: to get fired. And I've been fired multiple times, been

602
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 6: fireding baseball and even even playing it. Playing football, I

603
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 6: got fired a couple of times, and then coaching, I've

604
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 6: already been you know, a couple of spots. And I

605
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 6: just don't, you know, like I know some people say

606
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 6: that they got released or and it's you know, it's

607
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 6: just semantics. But I just want to make you know.

608
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 6: I don't know why it is. But she's like, I

609
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 6: just don't want to.

610
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 4: I want to. I'm trying. I always how to be.

611
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 6: Humble and and I think sometimes just being open about

612
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 6: what really is happening, I think it helps other people

613
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 6: sometimes be more like you know, sometimes bad things happen

614
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 6: and you move on and make the best of it.

615
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: So after four years of minor league baseball, when you

616
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: realize you're not going to the big leagues, what were

617
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: your options in your own mind?

618
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 6: I mean, I had my my I got married at

619
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 6: twenty one to my high school sweetheart and we've been

620
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 6: married seventeen years, be eighteen years in December, and so

621
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 6: I got so we got married, and then two weeks

622
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 6: later I got fired in baseball.

623
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Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, man, like, you know, hopefully she

624
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: doesn't leave me.

625
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 6: She she didn't likely, but my mindset was, I know,

626
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 6: I knew I was going to go to college.

627
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 4: That's why I was.

628
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 6: I was willing to get you know, I got drafted

629
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 6: high school, so I was willing to go play minor

630
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 6: league Baseball's because I knew, worst case scenario, I get fired,

631
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 6: I'm still going to go to college and graduate and

632
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 6: get a degree, and you know, you go into the

633
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 6: workforce and you know, make money and have a job,

634
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 6: have a career. I knew I was gonna do that.

635
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 6: I knew I was just enough to do that. So

636
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 6: after I got done with baseball, I was like, well,

637
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 6: I know I'm gonna go to college, and I know

638
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 6: I'm like an athletic guy. I've always worked out hard

639
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 6: and I've always been in good shape. I was a

640
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 6: good high school football player. I just got hurt my

641
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 6: senior year. I had two surgeries my senior on my

642
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 6: knee during the season, and I still played the last game.

643
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 6: That's why I tell the tit ends a lot of times,

644
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 6: like just to like it's about toughness, lesson and I

645
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 6: and I saw guys that played that I played with

646
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 6: in high school that went on to play college football,

647
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 6: and I was like, well, if I know I'm gonna

648
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 6: go to college, I have all my eligibility left, so

649
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 6: why not play football like I'm I was just you know,

650
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 6: we were talking before about just self efficacy, just a

651
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 6: lot of belief in myself that, you know, and just

652
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 6: watching watching when I was playing minorleagu baseball, just watching

653
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 6: college football and be like I I could do that

654
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 6: if I if I if baseball didn't work out. So

655
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 6: I was like, okay, I'm gonna I want to I'm

656
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 6: going to go to college, so you know I'm gonna

657
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 6: play football too.

658
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: So and nobody was contacted me. Obviously.

659
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 6: It's been you know, I've been in high school like

660
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 6: four years and I didn't really have any film. But

661
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 6: another adage like you know, you you know, you gotta

662
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 6: you always need help regardless what you're doing, and it

663
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 6: doesn't hurt to ask, you know. So the only way

664
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 6: you can get information out to college is like just

665
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 6: to send them things to go talk to them and

666
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 6: call them. And so I filled out like every questionnaire

667
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 6: from any college in Texas and out of state. I

668
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 6: sent like these this envelope full of my information and

669
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 6: and just silly stuff like I took a picture my

670
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 6: wife took a picture of myself in my tights, and

671
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 6: I thought it was douchey, but but I saw I

672
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 6: was just watching TV and I saw in the combine

673
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 6: they do it.

674
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 4: So I was like, well, and I knew I was

675
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: like as a baseball player.

676
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 6: So a lot of these college coaches are probably gonna

677
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 6: think I'm, you know, out of shape person or like

678
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 6: real skinny guys. So like I need a showing I'm

679
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 6: in good shape. And that's really what got me the opportunity. Long,

680
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 6: long story, but so I I just send that information

681
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 6: everywhere because I was going to go to college and

682
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 6: I was gonna see, well, if I'm gonna go, maybe

683
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 6: I can get a I didn't even know how scholarships work,

684
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 6: but I was like, maybe I can get a ten

685
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 6: percent scholarship or something.

686
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 4: I didn't even.

687
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 6: Realize it was like full scholarships until I got the

688
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 6: scholarship and I went to I went to junior colleges, Tarleton,

689
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 6: I went to everywhere, and no one was They were like, yeah,

690
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 6: we'd love for you to walk on, which is understandable

691
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 6: because I hadn't played in four years and I really

692
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 6: and I was on like a triple option offense. But long,

693
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 6: long story, but Rice took a chance on me and

694
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 6: gave me a scholarship to play defense, and I was

695
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 6: I jumped on it like right away and I didn't

696
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 6: and realizing it was a full scholarship and Rice's unbelievable university.

697
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: And so on.

698
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 6: You know, Once that happened, my life kind of really

699
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 6: like took a one eighty right there.

700
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: Like I was like, okay, I.

701
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 6: Got an opportunity, and I was like, I am, this

702
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 6: is not going to pass me by. And I was

703
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 6: like a mad man in college, like in a good way,

704
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 6: but I was.

705
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: I was.

706
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 6: All I did was football in school, like just NonStop,

707
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 6: and I worked out and it led to like successful

708
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 6: the field, and then I got opportunity to play.

709
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: Then did your teammates even really get to know you

710
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: considering how focused you were?

711
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: No?

712
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 6: No, I mean justin Hill, our running best coach was

713
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 6: the same year as me in college, and you know, now,

714
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 6: you know, we've known each other since college and we've

715
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 6: talked and we stayed in connections. But I was, I

716
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 6: didn't go out with the team at all. I didn't

717
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 6: go at any parties. I didn't, but I was also

718
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 6: you know, I was I wasn't like being a jerk

719
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 6: to anybody, and I was just doing my job and

720
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 6: trying to help any wherever I could. And I just

721
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 6: so focused on just winning. I wanted to win, you know,

722
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 6: and I wanted to be the best I could possibly be.

723
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 6: That I think and credits, I mean, unbelievable just experience

724
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 6: at Rice, because everybody there, they didn't treat I was

725
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 6: day one, I was oldest on the team, and I

726
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 6: was the only married gall on the team, like the

727
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 6: first day I got on campus on football, on the

728
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 6: football team, and they just they didn't treat me any differently.

729
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 6: And I was twenty three, I think my freshman year married,

730
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 6: you know, like I'm not.

731
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 4: I'm just I wasn't. I was kind of and with what.

732
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 6: Happened to my mom with getting fired in baseball. So

733
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 6: I was a mature twenty three year old, like I

734
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 6: was they you know, I was kind of almost acting

735
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 6: like I am now a little bit.

736
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 4: I was more as a thirty nine year old.

737
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 6: You know, you get mature as you get older and

738
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 6: you kind of start understanding what's important. So I was

739
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 6: a mature person like I was basically a professional football

740
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 6: player playing in college, and but they were they were

741
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 6: They respected me, they didn't treat men differently, and and

742
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 6: you know, even though I didn't hang out with them

743
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 6: off the field, they still they still knew I cared,

744
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 6: and they knew I was working hard and I was

745
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 6: trying to help whatever way I could, and and I

746
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 6: eventually started doing well on the field. So then then

747
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 6: doing great on the field makes everything better. So then

748
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 6: they all just accepted me. And it was and I

749
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 6: still stand, you know, contact with a lot of those players.

750
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 6: And then I played with at Rice and it was

751
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 6: a you know, it really just an amazing experience. I

752
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 6: went in the Hall of Fame at Rice this last

753
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 6: this offseason or really before he played the forty nine ers,

754
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 6: and I was one of the most memorable experiences I've had,

755
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 6: getting around my former teammates and coaches and and just

756
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 6: thinking back to it, because you know, it's hard to

757
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 6: reminisce in life sometimes because you're just focused on the

758
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 6: next step. But when something like that happens, getting into

759
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame of your college, you kind of

760
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 6: you can't help, but like thinking back, and it really

761
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 6: just like just unbelievable memories of getting going from baseball

762
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 6: to college football. I only played there two years, my

763
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 6: true freshman, true sophomore year, and just what I was

764
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 6: able to accomplish in those two years is really it's

765
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 6: just amazing it. But it wouldn't happen if I didn't have,

766
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 6: like everything, a lot of great people around me. I

767
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 6: had a lot, like a lot of great help, a

768
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 6: lot of great teachers, coaches, you know, teammates that were

769
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 6: at Rice and at Azel and at you know, everywhere,

770
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 6: And I've just had great people around me and great

771
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 6: coaches around me to help me, and I've kind of

772
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 6: just been really blessed to be in great situations.

773
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: You got moved from defense to offense at Rice and

774
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: had two tremendous seasons your final year one hundred and

775
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: eleven catches for more than thirteen hundred yards, fifty seven

776
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: rushes for two hundred and forty one more. You're listed

777
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: as a tight end. But how would you describe your

778
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: position at Rice?

779
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

780
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a long story about how I kind

781
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 6: of got in those situations. But I started off as

782
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 6: a linebacker and then the second day they moved me

783
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 6: to a defensive end. So I played defensive end the

784
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 6: whole spring, and because I got there in the spring

785
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 6: and I was probably gonna be the starting defensive end,

786
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 6: but I kept staying after practice each spring practice and

787
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 6: like playing catch to show the coaches that I could

788
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 6: throw really well. Because when I was trying to recruit

789
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 6: myself to college, I was I was trying to be

790
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 6: a quarterback, because you know, obviously I drafted in baseball.

791
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 6: It's a picittuer like I could throw the ball. I

792
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 6: could throw the ball well, and and I just kept

793
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 6: kind of showing them like I was. I wasn't being disrespectful.

794
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 6: I was like, hey, I think I was just being honest,

795
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 6: like I'm not I can play defense, and I think

796
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 6: I would have been a really good defensive player. But

797
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 6: I was like, I think I could help this team

798
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 6: better if I w on offense, Like if that's what

799
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 6: I've done my whole life.

800
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: I've always been you know, even.

801
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 6: When I was a little kid, I was like the

802
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 6: running back or and so I was trying to show

803
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 6: them that I think I could help on offense, and

804
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 6: they eventually moved me to quarterback. So I went from

805
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 6: defensive end all spring, and then after spring they moved

806
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 6: me to the quarterback position during the some so the

807
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 6: whole team was like, what are you were just playing defense, Sven,

808
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 6: now you're the quarterback.

809
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: Like it's just you know, it never happens like that.

810
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 6: But and because the way that happened too, I just

811
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 6: kept showing them I could throw being respectful. And then

812
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 6: they would have seven on seven tournaments during the or

813
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 6: games during the summer, and they'd be working on their

814
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 6: stuff and I'd always just go out with the offense

815
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 6: and just kind of just stand there and watch and

816
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 6: try to learn. And a couple of times the running

817
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 6: back didn't show up so he had school or something,

818
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 6: so they would just put.

819
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 4: Me in there.

820
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 6: And even though it's a defensive end, I'd play some

821
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 6: running back for our offense during seven on seven stuff,

822
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 6: and I just kind of got around those guys and

823
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 6: just almost still doing defensive men stuff. And then eventually

824
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 6: the coaching staff, you know, gave me an opportunity to

825
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 6: do so when we came back from fall camp, I

826
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 6: moved to quarterback. And then we had some receivers get

827
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 6: hurt in training camp, so the backup quarterbacks are the

828
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 6: only ones that knew all the offense, you know, like

829
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 6: halfway through training camp, so they're like, hey, we need

830
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 6: you guys to go out there and.

831
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: Do some receiver stuff.

832
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 6: So then I showed up at practice doing receiver stuff

833
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 6: and the team was like, now you're doing receivers.

834
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: You have a defense simended quarterback to receiver.

835
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 6: And I did a really good job at receiver and

836
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 6: the receivers coach started liking what I was doing, so

837
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 6: then he you know, I was kind of like bouncing

838
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 6: back and forth from positions. And I still stayed in

839
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 6: the quarterback room the whole time there, and I would

840
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 6: learn the quarterback stuff. But we had a great quarterback,

841
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 6: Chase Clement, who I mean his senior year he threw

842
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 6: forty four touchdowns seven interceptions, and he was really good,

843
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 6: so that, you know, they didn't need me at quarterbacks

844
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 6: how good he was. But they started getting me more

845
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 6: involved at at receiver, and then I started doing wildcat

846
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 6: quarterback stuff. And then they just kind of started evolving

847
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 6: where I started doing all kinds of stuff like and

848
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 6: they I mean, credit to them. That's the advantages of

849
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 6: being in a place like rights. They gave me a

850
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 6: lot of opportunities to do a bunch of different stuff.

851
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 6: And the main reason why, I think because I was

852
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 6: willing to do it, and mainly is because of the

853
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 6: baseball didn't work out. So I was like, this is

854
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 6: not I don't care what I gotta do. I returned

855
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 6: punts just because I was like, I can do this.

856
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 6: But we had a guy, you know, that wasn't doing

857
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 6: a great job pumper turning. I just started going back there.

858
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 6: I started catching the punt, and eventually they just let

859
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 6: me do in games. So I started being the pumper turner.

860
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 6: I was a holder on field goal. I was like

861
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 6: backup punter, backup snapper. I played, you know, wildcat, quarterback

862
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 6: of punch. I played a little bit of tight end.

863
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 6: I really didn't even do tight end much. But I

864
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 6: played receiver. You know, I just played everywhere just because

865
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 6: I wanted to win so bad. I wanted to make

866
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 6: sure this opportunity was not gonna pass me by. And

867
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 6: and I wasn't afraid, and I wasn't scared. I wasn't

868
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 6: I believed in myself. I believed I could help, and

869
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 6: so any opportunity I jumped at it, no matter what

870
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 6: it was. And eventually they started put me in the games,

871
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 6: and then I started doing great job in the game

872
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 6: and it just kind of took off from there.

873
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: You turned pro after two years at Rice and were

874
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: drafted in the fifth round by the Houston Texans. After

875
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: all you had been through. What was it like to

876
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: get that phone call?

877
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 6: I mean, I was pissed at the time, because I

878
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 6: was very confident that. I mean, I had one hundred

879
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 6: and eleven catches and like thirteen or yards, and I

880
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 6: had like you know, you know, I carried the ball

881
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 6: as a runner and you know, in the wildcat quarterback

882
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 6: and I played running back to a little bit. So

883
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 6: like I feel like I had like an amazing year

884
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 6: in college football. I was only that true sophomore, and

885
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 6: I looked a right, I'm watching around college football and

886
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 6: I'm you know, everybody does when you go into the draft,

887
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 6: you know, you go to the combine, You're looking to

888
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 6: see who all the other tight ends are, and I'm like,

889
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 6: I'm very confident that I'm better than a lot of

890
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 6: those guys. But the draft comes and I'm getting, you know,

891
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 6: I don't know where I have, which number of tight

892
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 6: end I was drafted, But the Texans drafted a tight

893
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 6: end in the fourth round that same year. And once

894
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 6: they did that, I was like, this is unbelievable. It's like,

895
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 6: what else do I got to do?

896
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: You know?

897
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 6: Like I did everything. I knew everything a new quarterback,

898
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 6: I knew running back, a new receiver. I played every position,

899
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 6: I played punt returns like that. Obviously I'm showing that

900
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 6: I'm a good player and I'm a value I can

901
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 6: do something for your NFL team. But I didn't get draft,

902
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 6: you know, and I see now as NFL coach because

903
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 6: I really didn't get to play tight end in college,

904
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 6: so I didn't really show them that. And I couldn't

905
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 6: play any All Star games because I was underclassman, so

906
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 6: they had a lot of questions on me if I

907
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 6: could block or not. So I was and then they

908
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 6: the Texans drafted a guy and I lived like a

909
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 6: mile from the stadium at the time because I was

910
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 6: going to college at Rice, right next to the right

911
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 6: run in Houston.

912
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: So I was mad.

913
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 6: I was like, man, what is going on? But so

914
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 6: they drafted got a fourth round. Then they drafted me

915
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 6: in the fifth round. So then I was like, okay,

916
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 6: I got drafted. I was mad because I'll believe to

917
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 6: myself but I was still extremely grateful just to you know,

918
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 6: like I got drafted in baseball and then football, so

919
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 6: I was, you know, it's like I'm entitled or anything.

920
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 6: I was just you know, mad at that I you know,

921
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 6: I wasn't valued as much as what you know, I

922
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 6: thought I was.

923
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: But day one, you know, I couldn't. I enjoyed it

924
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 4: for like a day.

925
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 6: But then I was like, I'm a fifth round pick

926
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 6: and they drafted their fourth round tight end. It's like

927
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 6: for me to make this team is going to be

928
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 6: really difficult. And being an older you know guy, I

929
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 6: was like, I understand, like getting drafted doesn't me anything.

930
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 6: You know, you got to get on the fifty three

931
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 6: minute roster. I'm not a first round pick.

932
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: I'm not. I got to make the team.

933
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 6: So I was just dead set on and I never

934
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 6: even played tight end really, so I had to show

935
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 6: that I could play tight end. So I had to learn,

936
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 6: you know, like I didn't really I never even got

937
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 6: a three point stances in college. I had to learn

938
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 6: how to get into three point stands. I had to

939
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 6: learn how to block.

940
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 4: I had to show that I was tough because I

941
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: was a pass catcher in college. I didn't block a lot.

942
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 6: And that's what I'm really most proud of about NFL wise,

943
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 6: is that I came in as a you know, I

944
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 6: caught one hundred eleven passes.

945
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 4: I'm a pass catcher guy.

946
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: But then you know, after my career Kep, you know,

947
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 6: after the first couple of years, then I was more.

948
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 6: I transitioned more like a blocker guy. I played fullback,

949
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 6: played special teams. So I completely changed my game because

950
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 6: I learned early on in training camp that first, you know,

951
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 6: that first week, you know, like they're not They're not

952
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 6: throwing me the ball, Like I'm not catching the ball.

953
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 6: Here we got Andre Johnson, we got we know, we

954
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 6: got all these really good players, Like I'm not going

955
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 6: to catch the ball. So I'm like, I need to

956
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 6: find ways to make myself valuable. So I was like,

957
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 6: I gotta be special teams was number one. I's like,

958
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 6: I got to be show that I'm tough and I

959
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 6: can play special teams. And then I got I got

960
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 6: to show I can play full back, I could be tough,

961
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 6: I can do a lot of different things so I

962
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 6: can make the team. And kind of like Drew does

963
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 6: for us a little bit, like he does all kinds

964
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 6: of stuff. He just shows that he's valuable and helps

965
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 6: the team out in a lot of ways that are

966
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 6: like that. People don't realize, but in the football team,

967
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 6: the coaches and the players, they realize how important those

968
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 6: things are. And I mean, it was amazing that I

969
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 6: got you know, I was. I did enjoy it, you know,

970
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 6: I was like this unbelievable. I got drafted in football.

971
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 6: And my wife didn't even know I was good at football,

972
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 6: you know, like going into Rice. She she we started

973
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 6: dating as a junior, and you know, I kind of

974
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 6: got hurt. I didn't really play a lot of football

975
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 6: and I didn't really even get recruited in college, which

976
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 6: is I don't know how I didn't. I don't know

977
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 6: what these what those recruiters are doing. But so and

978
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 6: then when I told her when I got fired in baseball,

979
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 6: I told her I was gonna play college football. She

980
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 6: you know, she was great with it, but I'm sure

981
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 6: in her mind she was like, Okay, well I hope this.

982
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, I'm great and I

983
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 6: go to the NFL and she's like, I'm like, I

984
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 6: see howney, you need to believe me.

985
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: Sometimes I am pretty good.

986
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: So you lasted seven years in the NFL with Houston,

987
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: Philly and Denver. What did you love most about being

988
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: an NFL player?

989
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 6: The you know the reason why I'm coaching. I love

990
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 6: the I love everything about football. I mean it is

991
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 6: to me, it's like one of the greatest things on

992
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 6: earth is that you get all these different people together

993
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 6: and it's a true team sport where everybody, you know,

994
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 6: on offense, we get eleven guys out there, All eleven

995
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 6: those guys got to do their job and got to

996
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 6: be If one guy doesn't do it right, that could

997
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 6: completely kill the play. And there's so much strategy that

998
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 6: goes into it that, you know, I wish some of

999
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 6: the fans and people could see how much goes into

1000
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 6: like the past protection stuff, how much goes into the

1001
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 6: run game stuff, and the different you know angles the

1002
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 6: defensive ends are playing, and how the linebackers play and

1003
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 6: special teams.

1004
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: What kind of return are they doing? Like who's going

1005
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: to be blocking me? What kind of guy is that?

1006
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: Is?

1007
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: He?

1008
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 4: Big? Big guys? He quick?

1009
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 6: Like there's just so much strategy involved and there and

1010
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 6: it's like you can you get you get it, you

1011
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: can get out what you put in in football, if

1012
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 6: you're tough and you're physical, and you have technique and

1013
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 6: you and you know what you're doing, you play hard

1014
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 6: and you can make yourself a good player.

1015
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 4: And it's it's a lot of like correlations to life.

1016
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot you can everybody's got to

1017
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: work together and you can you get out what you

1018
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 6: put in. So I just love the entire game of football.

1019
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 6: So I that's why I got into coaching. I just

1020
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 6: loved everything about it, like just the locker room, the teammates,

1021
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 6: like doing doing you know, you do a really good

1022
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 6: job on a play and everybody's congratulating you because you

1023
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 6: help the team do something good, Like you're helping you know,

1024
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 6: you're like Zach talks about a lot, You're you're being

1025
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 6: a part of something that's bigger than just you. You're

1026
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 6: fighting adversity together. You're you're tight knit. You go on

1027
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 6: the road, you know, there's fifty three of us and

1028
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 6: there's you know, maybe seventy thousand of them, and it's

1029
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 6: just you against all you against that entire city basically,

1030
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 6: like just the feeling of that and then being at

1031
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 6: home and all the fas you know, your home home crowd,

1032
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 6: everybody's coming. They they you just appreciation of you know,

1033
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 6: people can do whatever they want to, you know, throughout

1034
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 6: the day. And then on Sunday, a lot of people

1035
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati choose to come to our stadium and watch

1036
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 6: us play. They take that out of their day. So

1037
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 6: it's like, you know the fact that they chose to

1038
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 6: come here and watch us play, and and just it

1039
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 6: just it's a special feeling and and you know, for them,

1040
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 6: for everybody that comes, like, you know, we put work.

1041
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 6: We work hard on what we do, Like we're studying.

1042
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 6: We're the tight ends, especially that they got to know

1043
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 6: so much stuff. And we're trying to you know, put

1044
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 6: on a show. And we're trying to win. We're trying

1045
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 6: to win for the city, we're trying to win for

1046
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 6: each other. We're trying to you know, just anything. We're

1047
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 6: trying to be successful. You want to win anything. You're competitive,

1048
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 6: and football is the most competitive NFL for sure, it's

1049
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 6: the most competitive thing out there. So I love being competitive.

1050
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 6: I'm trying to win and I want to try to

1051
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 6: maximize everything, you know, maximize everything within my human you know, potential.

1052
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 6: And no better way to test yourself than NFL football

1053
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 6: just like your job, you know, like it's it's the

1054
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 6: best of the best. And if you you know, if

1055
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 6: you think you're good, well you got to you got

1056
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 6: to see how good you are, you know, going against

1057
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 6: the NFL guys.

1058
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 2: Before we started doing this, I gave you a quick

1059
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: explanation for what we're going to do, and you say, yeah,

1060
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: that's fine.

1061
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: But I got to talk about my guys.

1062
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: What is it about you and your relationship with your

1063
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: tight end group there?

1064
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 6: I mean I love that I that I'm I mean,

1065
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 6: I played tight end, but the fact that I get

1066
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 6: to coach tight ends in the NFL, it's like it's

1067
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 6: it's I wish, I wish like fans and I wish,

1068
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 6: you know, everybody could kind of see how these guys are,

1069
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 6: like how how smart they are, how driven they are,

1070
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 6: how how much work they put in, how unselfish they are.

1071
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 6: Just they're good people, you know, and you have you

1072
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 6: have to be to be a tight end in the NFL.

1073
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: You got to be you got to be really really smart.

1074
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 6: Like there's so much stuff they got to know on

1075
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 6: each play, and they got to know everything. They got

1076
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 6: to know all the routes, all the run game blocking,

1077
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 6: all the pass protection stuff. You've got to be tough

1078
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 6: because you're always going against guys that are you know,

1079
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 6: you're going against Miles Garrett and TJ.

1080
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: Watt.

1081
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 6: You're going to get all these guys and you've got

1082
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 6: to be really tough. So you got and you got

1083
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 6: to be versatile. You got to do all these different things,

1084
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 6: and you got to be unselfish because you don't get

1085
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 6: a lot of credit for anything. And I talked to

1086
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 6: him all the time about it's like, you know, you can't.

1087
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 6: You can't be a type of guy that like needs,

1088
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 6: you know, credit. You know, you just need to do

1089
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 6: your job because you want to do your job because

1090
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 6: you want to win. You're a competitive person. The coaches understand,

1091
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 6: your teammates understand. But you don't need appreciation from any

1092
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 6: kind of media or any kind of fans because like,

1093
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: you're not doing it for that. You're doing it because

1094
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 6: you want to win, because you want to be good

1095
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 6: at what you do and you want to help us,

1096
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 6: you know, be great.

1097
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 4: And my guys are unbelievable.

1098
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 6: I mean, all five of my guys in my room

1099
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 6: or they're extremely intelligent, they're extremely tough, they care, they're

1100
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 6: good people like you don't you don't see you know,

1101
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 6: hopefully you haven't seen hardly anything from from these tight ends,

1102
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 6: where like they seem like.

1103
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: They're bad people at all.

1104
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 6: They're unbelievable people and they they're like, you know, I'm

1105
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 6: selfish as a tight end coach, but I think tight

1106
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 6: ends are like some of the top notch people in

1107
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 6: the world because as far as men go, because they

1108
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 6: got to be you gotta be un selfish, you got

1109
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 6: to be driven, you gotta be tough. Like if you're

1110
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 6: a business and you're a CEO of a business, you know,

1111
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 6: I would recommend if you need somebody to hire, like

1112
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 6: I would look at tight ends first because they're gonna

1113
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 6: do a good job. Like all my guys here, any

1114
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 6: if they wanted to do anything else in life, whatever

1115
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 6: they want to do, if if that, if that's what

1116
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 6: they want to do, they they're going to be successful

1117
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 6: at it just because they're they're they're that type of people.

1118
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 6: And they and and we we got to do so

1119
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 6: many different things. And there's four of those guys out

1120
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 6: there right now playing and they all get opportunities and

1121
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: they all do all different things. And and I'm involved

1122
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 6: in everything as far having to coach those guys. But

1123
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 6: I can't say enough about how just good at people

1124
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 6: they are and how hard they work. And like you know,

1125
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 6: true sample all the stuff he does in the pass

1126
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 6: protection and run game and Er Smith, you know, being

1127
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 6: unselfish and you know, being a versatile guy.

1128
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 4: They could do all different things.

1129
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 6: And Tannered like coming in from you know, probably nobody

1130
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 6: knew who he was. And now he's making some catches

1131
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 6: and and he works his tail off. And Mitchell Wilcox,

1132
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 6: undrafted guy, he's play special teams. He blocks hard, he

1133
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 6: played you know, you watch him on film, you know,

1134
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 6: watch him after the snap like he is going after people.

1135
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: He's a tough, tough guy.

1136
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 6: And then Zach Zach Gentry, the newer guy we got

1137
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 6: from the Steelers. Like he's just on Price Coote right now,

1138
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 6: but you don't ever see him, know he's None of

1139
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 6: these guys get any poopoo face. And I feeling sorry

1140
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 6: for themselves. They just showed her up to work every day,

1141
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 6: the same guy. And they they they don't give me

1142
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 6: a lot of crap. They know I care too though

1143
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 6: that they know I'm not trying to, you know, just

1144
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 6: mf them. For no reason, like I'm I'm trying to

1145
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 6: help him and that you know, we're working together. So

1146
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 6: I mean, they're unbelievable people. So hopefully if the fans

1147
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 6: out there get a chance they ever see him, you know,

1148
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 6: they would love to talk to you, and media too,

1149
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 6: they would love to talk to you, but they don't

1150
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 6: need that, you know, So don't talk to him too much.

1151
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 6: Don't get him feeling good, film too good about themselves.

1152
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 6: They're great people and it's I'm I love each say

1153
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 6: coming to work because of the guys that I'm coaching.

1154
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: A few wild card topics to wrap things up with

1155
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: James Casey, who is your all time favorite athlete in

1156
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: any sport? And why No One Ryan?

1157
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 6: Just his grit, his longevity, like and he's you know,

1158
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 6: he's the same type of guy he wasn't about you know,

1159
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 6: you don't you didn't see No One Ryan like really

1160
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 6: you know, being a humble guy. He wasn't just trying

1161
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 6: to self promote himself. And that's another thing about my

1162
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 6: tight ends too, is like they don't you don't see

1163
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 6: these guys like trying to overly self promote themselves too

1164
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 6: much and they're just about their business.

1165
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: And they're but knowing Ryan.

1166
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 6: Was just I mean growing up in Fort Worth area

1167
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 6: and when he was playing for the Rangers, like being

1168
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 6: able to like see him and you know that and

1169
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 6: I was a baseball player, like and when he when

1170
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 6: he beat up ron Ventura, like you can't beat that,

1171
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 6: Like he's he's he's like the pinnacle for me as

1172
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 6: far as like my guy, I mean, I love all

1173
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 6: I just watched Barry Sanders' documentary, Like I love that

1174
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 6: guy too, just unselfish guy like didn't want credit, didn't

1175
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 6: he like was turning down like chances to like break records,

1176
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 6: just because he didn't want all the attention. He didn't

1177
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 6: want it to be about him. He was just about football,

1178
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 6: Like you don't. You don't hear anything about him off

1179
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 6: the field, the kind of things Like guys like that

1180
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 6: are the guys that I love.

1181
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: The guys that were great athletes, but they're not like

1182
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: it's not about them.

1183
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 6: They just they love they they're great because they love

1184
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 6: the actually they love the sport. They love competing, they

1185
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 6: love like winning, they love being a part of something

1186
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 6: bigger than themselves. Like those are the guys I love,

1187
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 6: Like I love watching those guys and just hearing, hearing

1188
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 6: when when those guys speak, those are the guys I

1189
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 6: really want to listen to.

1190
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: How do you feel about procrastination?

1191
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody, everybody has it, but I try to

1192
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 6: be you know, you have to be in coaching tight

1193
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 6: ends that you have to be like on top of stuff.

1194
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 4: But I just try to be really intentional. So I don't.

1195
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 4: I hate procrastinating.

1196
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 6: But I also as I've gotten older and a friend

1197
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 6: of mine, at Rice, he gave me a valuable lessening

1198
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 6: about outsource all your non core functions. So I'm like,

1199
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 6: I only do like a couple of things. I do

1200
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 6: football in my family and you know, faith, Like that's

1201
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 6: all I do.

1202
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 4: So I don't. I don't like waste a lot of time.

1203
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 6: I'm when I'm driving into work, I'm listening to some

1204
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 6: kind of audiobook or podcast I'm working out. It's I'm

1205
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 6: always listening to something I'm trying to learn. I'm trying

1206
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 6: to I just want to live like that. I want

1207
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 6: to try to maximize it. I want to try to

1208
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 6: learn as much as I can. I'm just always curious

1209
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 6: about not just football, just everything. I want to learn

1210
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 6: things I want to you know, how however long I

1211
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 6: got on this earth, I want to try to learn

1212
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 6: as much as I possibly.

1213
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: Can and experience as much as I can.

1214
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 6: And I've got two boys now that are that are

1215
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 6: thirteen and ten, so a lot of it is I'm

1216
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 6: trying to learn as much as I can so I

1217
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 6: can help them when they get older, like I try.

1218
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 6: I'm trying to like write a book to my kids,

1219
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 6: just because I realize as a coach, I'm talking to

1220
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 6: my players like all day every day, and I don't

1221
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 6: even get a chance to talk to my kids as much.

1222
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 6: So I like, well, okay, I'm going to start writing

1223
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 6: down everything that I think is important for them, and

1224
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 6: then when they get in high school, I'm going to

1225
00:51:59,040 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 6: give it to them and say this is what I'm

1226
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 6: my beliefs on, you know, like integrity, like my beliefs

1227
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 6: on like attitude and respect, my beliefs on kindness, my

1228
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 6: my beliefs on like have an extreme accountability on things

1229
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 6: and how important that is, and having worthwhile goals like

1230
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 6: you know, you can't it's hard to do something if

1231
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 6: you're not you know, if you don't know what you

1232
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 6: want to do, Like you got to know what you

1233
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 6: want to do first you got to know and know

1234
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 6: you know, and then you can put all.

1235
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: Your attention towards that.

1236
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 6: And like most things in life, like I don't like

1237
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 6: procrastinating because it's just like I just have my mindset

1238
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 6: on one thing and I just try to outlast everybody

1239
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 6: and try to do it hard on nobody else and

1240
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 6: try to outlast everybody.

1241
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 4: And that's and.

1242
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 6: It's hard for kids. But I'm trying to explain to

1243
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 6: my boys, like you guys need to be thinking every

1244
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 6: day and to the tight ends too, you be thinking

1245
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 6: every day about what you're going to do after football,

1246
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 6: because if you don't know what you want to do,

1247
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 6: like you're just going to be randomly just wandering around.

1248
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 4: Like you got to have.

1249
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 6: You need to be exact about what you want to do,

1250
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 6: and then the only thing that's not exact is just

1251
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 6: say or something better.

1252
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: You know.

1253
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 6: It's like I want to like me, I want to

1254
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 6: be a I want to coach. I want to keep

1255
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 6: rising up. I want to hopefully be a head coach

1256
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 6: one day.

1257
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 4: And I'm not.

1258
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 6: Picking like a specific place, you know, it could be anywhere.

1259
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 6: I just want to get in the you know, reach

1260
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 6: the highest level I can. But I know what I

1261
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 6: want to do, so all my time is spend on

1262
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 6: football and that's it. And then I'm trying to explain

1263
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 6: that to my kids. And I know a long answer

1264
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 6: you aspect procrastination, I'm not a maniact. I mean, I

1265
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 6: procrastin out some things. But when it's like the important things,

1266
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 6: I try to, you know, make sure I'm just try

1267
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 6: to be really really focused and conscious of what I'm

1268
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 6: doing and just get get those things done. But I

1269
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 6: procrastinate all kinds of stuff that's not like the most

1270
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 6: important things to me.

1271
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: Describe the experience of watching your two boys play sports.

1272
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 4: The best experience in the world is that.

1273
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, we go out here and we

1274
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 6: played you know, money not football last last week, and

1275
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 6: you know, it's exciting and it's you know, you're out

1276
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 6: there on money now. You know, millions of people are watching,

1277
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 6: you know, all these celebrities or you know, the announcers

1278
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 6: and all this stuff. But that is nothing compared to

1279
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 6: like going and watching a select baseball game of your

1280
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 6: own kid. You know, you baseball game is of your

1281
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 6: own son, is like a thousand times better than what

1282
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 6: it would be like watching money not football. Even though

1283
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 6: I love the tight ends. I love them, you know,

1284
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 6: like that's that's below it, but it's still way below

1285
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 6: it as opposed to my own kids, like there's that's

1286
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 6: my The biggest thing I look forward to is watching

1287
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 6: them play sports and seeing them grow. And and it's

1288
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 6: stressful too because we know as men, you know, we're

1289
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 6: older men now, we know all the pitfalls that can happen.

1290
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 6: We know all the things that are going through our mind,

1291
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 6: through our life, and the things that we, you know,

1292
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 6: did that was dumb, Like everybody does dumb things.

1293
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 4: We know all those things.

1294
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 6: We know that they're going to go through that too,

1295
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 6: and you know, I'm just hope they don't do the

1296
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 6: really really dumb things, especially nowadays. We got we hit

1297
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 6: like the World History jackpot because we didn't have cell

1298
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 6: phones and we were kids. We didn't have everybody taking

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Speaker 6: pictures of everything. We didn't have social media, so we

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Speaker 6: were able to grow mature before that stuff came about.

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Speaker 6: So we know, we don't we know not to let

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Speaker 6: that ruin our lives. You know, we're not worried about

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Speaker 6: likes and who comments on our posts and stuff, but

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Speaker 6: their age, that's like their whole life. Like I'm just

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Speaker 6: to try to make sure they understand that who cares

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Speaker 6: what somebody says on social media? Like who cares what

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Speaker 6: some celebrity is doing? Like it's not important, Like it's

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Speaker 6: you know, focus on what's really important. But it's stressful,

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Speaker 6: but it's the most fun ever is watching the kids

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Speaker 6: and watching them play sports, watching you know, watching them

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Speaker 6: how they grow and develop, and like seeing their personalities,

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Speaker 6: and it's fair. I talked to about tight Ends about

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Speaker 6: of the bunch. You know, I catch myself a lot

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Speaker 6: of times talking about my own kids, just because, you know,

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Speaker 6: I thought, when you're you know, you finally become a dad,

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Speaker 6: it's like you're teaching the kids everything and I'm trying

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Speaker 6: to but they teach me a lot of stuff too.

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Speaker 2: Final question, This one's kind of deep. If you could

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Speaker 2: meet anybody in history, living or deceased, who would that

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Speaker 2: person be?

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Speaker 6: Oh easiest question ever Jesus Christ, for sure. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I just I'm thirty nine. I try to be well,

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Speaker 6: well thought out about everything, and I wasn't very religious

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Speaker 6: until recently till this last off season, where I said, Okay,

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Speaker 6: my kids are going to school and they're going to

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Speaker 6: Catholic school, and I was like I always believe in

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Speaker 6: the Creator because I'm like, no way this just came

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Speaker 6: about randomly from cells. Like everything's way too order and

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Speaker 6: too structured, and there's way too much things that makes

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Speaker 6: sense for it to just be random. So I was like,

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Speaker 6: I need to learn about this, and I didn't. My

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Speaker 6: parents never you know, took me to church. You know,

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Speaker 6: I grew up real port we did. That was not

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Speaker 6: a part of our life. And so as an adult,

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Speaker 6: as an even in high school, it's like I was

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Speaker 6: hearing some of things, like for the first time. I

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Speaker 6: finally said, Okay, I'm I'm gonna study this. And I've

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Speaker 6: read like eight books this off season about Christianity and

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Speaker 6: like the very beginning and the economical councils and like

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Speaker 6: the history history of it and how it all in

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Speaker 6: Apostolic secession, like all the different like the Great Schism

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Speaker 6: in ten fifty four, the Process Reformation, the fifteen hundreds,

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Speaker 6: when Martin Luther knowed that THESS up against the Catholic

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Speaker 6: like I studied it, like knew it, not know it,

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Speaker 6: but I studied it. And now I'm a believer, so that,

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Speaker 6: you know, I would love to just you know, talk

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Speaker 6: to talk to Jesus. You know you can probably give

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Speaker 6: me some wisdom on some things and probably calm me

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Speaker 6: down a little bit on some things too.

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Speaker 2: This has been really enjoyable. I took more of your

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Speaker 2: time than I said I would, but I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: it and best the left the rest of the year.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Have great day.

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