1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: You want experience during your football season, We'll buckle up, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: sweet cheeks. We've got all the experience in the world. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: This is I want your flex with Dan Bayer and 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break down everything you need 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: to set your lineups, from position rankings. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 3: To starts and sits. 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: The guys help you make those hard decisions. And now 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: let's get your flex od here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon. 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: It is I want your flex. Hit Mike up at 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Swollen doome find me at Dan Bayer on Fox and 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: you can find Ian at Ian Roddy Underscore. Interesting times. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Now my longtime league finally had the regular season come 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: to an end. We are in the postseason. Most leagues 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: started in week fifteen, guys, with some teams having buys, 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: usually six teams making the playoffs in the twelve team league. 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: But ours is long and a long ago league with 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: only ten teams. We just have a two week playoff. 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: But we finally made it to the postseason. It is 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: also a time in Week sixteen where I know not 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: everybody is as interested as they were for the first 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: fifteen weeks of the season, because maybe you didn't make 23 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the playoffs, maybe you're ousted in your first round. That's 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: where misery loves company. Like here we are, and I'll 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: tell you what. There is a special feeling about week 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: sixteen and seven won't make the playoffs, or even if 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: you don't make the advance in your playoffs, Mike, there 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 1: is something about being in this group of people who 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: know the feeling of having that four and eleven season 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: or four and ten season. We can all get together 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: and commiserate here and I want your flex. 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: Oh, that's the beauty of it is. 33 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 4: You know, no matter how much work you put into it, 34 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: in the end, you can be right for ninety five 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: percent of a game setting your lineup or us bloviating 36 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: in front of the microphone, and it takes one play 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: to blow it up. Right, we all have that guy. 38 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: For me as a kid, it was watching the Bears 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 4: bottle up Barry Sanders until they didn't. Right, that's the 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 4: image all the times, like, eh, they got him again. 41 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 4: It's third and twelve. There he goes for a seventy 42 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 4: eight yard touchdown. You know, one of those kind of things, right, 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: like the raptors in Jurassic Park testing the fence and 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: eventually finding that hole and finding daylight. Hell, it was 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 4: that Henderson run this past week against the Bills. Right 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 4: where he's behind. It looks like he stopped. Eh, takes 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 4: two steps backwards. All of a sudden he's got Drake 48 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: May out in front of a lead blocker. I mean 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 4: things like that. That all right, that takes my win 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: to a definitive loss. Or this week we talked a 51 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 4: lot about in the earlier episode, a lot about the 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow No show. So while you got one hundred 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: and thirty two yards from Jamar Chase Joe Burrow and 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: that performance eliminated a lot of teams. 55 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: Yes, I I you know, I still remember a couple 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: of years ago, I had a trade from an owner 57 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: in our league. We had basically agreed on it, but 58 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: I just I held off. And it was for Brandon Ayuk. 59 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: And this is when Brandon Ayuk was wanted and liked 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: by the forty nine ers and by the way, vice versa. Yeah, 61 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: a good es in his part no longer the case 62 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Maybe they like him, he just doesn't 63 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: want to be around them, whatever the case may be. 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: I said, let me see if there's something better out there, 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: and I went and I swung a deal for AJ Brown. 66 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: And I know I've been hard on AJ Brown before, 67 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: maybe it stems from him crapping out for me on 68 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: a playoff run, but those things end up sticking in 69 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: your memory. I remember having a fifty spot dropped on 70 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: me by Jamal Charles in a playoff, but I really 71 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: remember the deals that I made in the players that 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: I had that knocked me out. And that's what's so 73 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: great about this, even though it's not great. It's the 74 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: highs and the lows. But my co worker, our co 75 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: worker who I work with on Fox, on the Doug 76 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, Jason Stewart said to me, 77 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: he goes, I got knocked out of my two leagues 78 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs. It's now week sixteen, 79 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: and for the first fifteen weeks, I've had something to 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: care about. Now I'm out of everything, and he goes, 81 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: I need to find something to get me excited about 82 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: these next three weeks as the regular season winds down. 83 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: And I have to say, I don't think that he's 84 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: alone in that feeling where people are like, all right, 85 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: where do I turn now? What do I do crazy. 86 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: Feeling, Yeah, I mean, plenty of plays. 87 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: That's the beauty of the expansion of the internet space, right, 88 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: is that there are plenty of one league one week 89 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 4: contests out there, and you know the different things that 90 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 4: they're they're not sponsors to this, so I'm not going 91 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: to start naming them, but you know, you're over under 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: selections and whatever else that you want to go down 93 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 4: that road, certainly the gambling side of things, if you 94 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 4: want to go down. 95 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden in the under No, I'm kidding 96 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: that graphic was but it was pretty goods Yeah, it 97 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: was funny, but it's that. 98 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: But it's that kind of thing, right you you know, 99 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: go play a daily game if you can wherever you are. 100 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: I mean some legalities come in depending on where you 101 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 4: live and you're accessing the interwebs from. But it's that, 102 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: you know, just trying to find a little bit of 103 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 4: juice for those final couple of weeks or if nothing else, 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 4: you hate watch the rest of the league that advanced. 105 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Ian Roddy had five teams advance to the postseason. Five leagues. 106 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: You made the playoffs in all five. 107 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 5: Well, not so fast, not so fast, man, I'm in 108 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 5: five fantasy leagues, all five of them. I made the playoffs. 109 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: Awesome. 110 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 5: This was a few days ago I was on cloud nine, 111 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 5: on top of the world. But this weekend I got 112 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 5: eliminated from four out of five leagues in round one 113 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 5: of the playoffs. 114 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: So it's crazy. 115 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 5: So I'm only I'm only in one left and it 116 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 5: was the lead that I had a first round buy in. 117 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 5: So just just nightmare, nightmare week. I don't even know 118 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 5: if at this point I I just would have preferred 119 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 5: to have just not made the playoffs at all, because 120 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 5: it's just heart breaking. 121 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: But it's it's still did the pulling of the strings. 122 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 4: Never was there any common though, Like was there one 123 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 4: player that you had on? 124 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor in a couple of leagues. He's been quiet 125 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 5: the last few weeks. He still had thirteen this week, though, 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 5: so it wasn't like it was, you know, some all 127 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 5: on him or or Joe Burrow I have in a 128 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 5: couple of leagues, but he's been on ir anyway, So 129 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 5: it was really just just an unlucky bad week. I 130 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 5: don't it's not like I have the same team across 131 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 5: all five leagues. It's just straight up bad luck. I 132 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 5: don't know who I was facing my opponents. Some I 133 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 5: lost by you know, two points. Some I got absolutely 134 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 5: blown out in it's just just yeah, the worst of 135 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 5: fantasy right there. 136 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: I find that almost impossible. 137 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 5: Like Gus, it's harder to do. No, sure, it's harder 138 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 5: to do than if I had won every league. 139 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 1: I like to to go to and three. Like, Honestly, 140 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: if I was you entering the week, I would say, 141 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: all right, worst case scenario is I'm knocked out of three, 142 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: and so I have two left and hopefully one of 143 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: those two get me into a championship game. And now 144 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: I think you don't even have Week seventeen promise to 145 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: you in a championship or you know, it could be 146 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: a possibility where you could be out. I don't know 147 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: if you have a third place game or whatever the 148 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: case is. But to maybe not have that opportunity and 149 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: think that it actually maybe more of a long shot. 150 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: It's crazy to think that you had four teams ousted 151 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: out of the five. 152 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 5: So if you're having a bad day, just just remember 153 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 5: that that happened to me this weekend. 154 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: Well, let's just hit the rewind, right, the three of 155 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: us participated, Dan, you set up the Guillotine League a 156 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. Our colleague Brandon Deutsch, right does 157 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 4: editing and producing, and he was in the league and 158 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 4: he had the convergence of I mean you looked at 159 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 4: the roster going, how might I'm eliminated? Because there's no 160 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: way I'm passing that. And then he had like four 161 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: of your top five players in the game and they 162 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 4: all had historically bad weeks. 163 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what was it? 164 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 4: Ra Saint Brown? The game he got hurt, our old 165 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: friend Justin Jefferson, I think was part of the mix, sure, 166 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: and just on down the line, whatever the convergence was. 167 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 4: I just remember looking at the roster before going wow, 168 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: that's a tough one to climb. And then as the 169 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: day wore on, it's like, all right, who's on that 170 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 4: roster again? Like did I did I read it wrong? 171 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: It's like nope, that was it. 172 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 3: And so it's it's that right. 173 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: You could you could build what looks to be the 174 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: perfect beast and you have the wrong week. What was 175 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: it three weeks ago where nobody scored or two weeks ago? Right, 176 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 4: I mean it was the ridiculous week with a bunch 177 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 4: of low scoring games. I mean, that's why they play 178 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 4: all to seventy two of these glorious things. 179 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: Not that not that people care about our Fox Sports 180 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: Radio Guillotine League, but we had a situation where we've 181 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: had teams, you know, earlier on in the year. The 182 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: SCO scores are lower, so maybe somebody just has an 183 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: awful week and they scores sixty two points. Whatever the 184 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: deal is. We had the entry this past week score 185 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty one points and get shopped and 186 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: they weren't even close to possibly living. Mike, you actually 187 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: scored one hundred and sixty three. I was fortunate enough 188 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: to score one hundred and sixty two. And Ryan Berschinger, 189 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: the old producer of this podcast, had one hundred and 190 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: fifty four points. So you had to score over one 191 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four points to stay alive in a 192 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: Guillotine League. This week again was and by the way, 193 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: nobody was playing Trevor Lawrence as their starter. No, right, like, 194 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: so like of the four teams that you have there, 195 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: you are taking the top of the top. But even 196 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: those other players that play in that's why, like Ian 197 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: not doubling up on players or having you know, four 198 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: shares of a guy. That's crazy that it just didn't 199 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: even out for you. But I think that's to Mike's point, 200 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: that's what we got in week fifteen, when a couple 201 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: of weeks ago everybody just said it up stinking Now 202 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: everybody just ended up going off in a week. Man. 203 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, the EBB and flow with the injuries in and out, 204 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: the you know, all of a sudden second quarter guide 205 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: departs or the game flow totally changes. 206 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: Yep. 207 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 4: Right where all of a sudden, you're up twenty twenty 208 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: one nothing or down twenty one nothing is like game script. 209 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 4: All right, it's out the window. 210 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: I'm not going to see it. 211 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just looking at my guys. They all 212 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 5: had just kind of just met performances. No one was 213 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 5: horrible other than you know, Burrow obviously, and in that 214 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 5: league that I have him in, but Omari and Hampton 215 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 5: thirteen points. It's not like I lost because of him, 216 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 5: but obviously if he'd done more than that would have helped. 217 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 5: And Christian McCaffrey same deal, thirteen thirteen point fifteen points, 218 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 5: so same, Like he's one of my studs. I could 219 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 5: have used a better game from him and maybe I 220 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 5: would have survived. But enough about me. 221 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 4: Well you made the right move. He failed you. That's 222 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 4: that's all it comes down. 223 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go, fault. 224 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: Kudos to getting five teams in the postseason. Absolutely talk 225 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: about workload. 226 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 5: Proud of it. But then you know, this is just 227 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 5: a terrible way to follow it up. 228 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: But there's no way I could be in five leagues. 229 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: I could not. Well, I usually I usually pooh pooh 230 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: people and They're like, I'm into any leagues, and I'm like, 231 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: there's no such thing, And a couple of years ago, 232 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: it's like I'm not even in leagues. I'm in other 233 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: different contests and I'm having trouble following and keeping pace, 234 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, this isn't fun. This just ends 235 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: up being wasted money that I'm just throwing away because 236 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm not winning anything from it. So like, you do 237 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: really have to pick and choose. So good job on 238 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: you to be able to handle five teams and have 239 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: them be successful even if they got no It's fantastic. 240 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 4: I used to have to play in a lot of 241 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: lead I have to, but Fantasy was really the bulk 242 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: of my job, virtually exclusively, And so you do a 243 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 4: bunch of leagues for magazines and whatever, and I was 244 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 4: in a ton of them and I did reasonably well. 245 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: But you're also at the point where you're watching games 246 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 4: and you almost had to have a giant color coded 247 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 4: chart to figure out who you actually could cheer for 248 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 4: or against, what was what was the net of a touchdown. 249 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: It's like, well, it helped me in three leagues, it 250 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 4: hurt me in four, and in these three it did matter. 251 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: Okay, go how about this? 252 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: And like that's what you're doing with every box score 253 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 4: and every game you're watching on the giant grid. It's like, 254 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: that's no way to watch football. Like, just as a 255 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 4: person who loves the game, take the fantasy element out 256 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 4: of it, it just made for a miserable experience. Like 257 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 4: all right, I'll watch at the end of I'll look 258 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, and now I'll just 259 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: try to watch the games. But the entire time, it's like, 260 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 4: how did that affect me? How did that affect the 261 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 4: guy chasing me for a tie breaker or whatever else. 262 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 4: It's it's just a different way, and to navigate it 263 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: as you did, I mean, that's that's that's a lot 264 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: of work. 265 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: Been there, done that, Dan? 266 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 4: You reference all the different myriad ways to participate in fantasy. 267 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: It's a lot of time investment and a lot of thought, 268 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 4: a lot of long walks on the beach trying to 269 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: figure out which end is up and following the little dots, 270 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: because as we know, that's even more difficult now because 271 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 4: there's more gamesmanship in terms of how how long you're 272 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 4: gonna wait before you really release that a guy's in out, 273 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 4: how limited they are. 274 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: We talked about it with. 275 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs and the Packers you know, this week in 276 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 4: their game against Denver. Instead, he's running great routes to 277 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 4: the back of the end zone and make his circus catches. 278 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's there's just so many variables to it. 279 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 4: That algorithm has grown year after year. 280 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Well, I will say this, if you have, like Ian 281 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: five teams that made the playoffs, or seven teams or 282 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: six out of seven, six out of eight, whatever, we'd 283 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: always love to hear from you. Hit Mike Ip at 284 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: Swollen Dome. You can find me at dan Byer on 285 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: Fox or Ian at Ian Roddy Underscore. If you're able 286 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: to navigate your seasons like that, yeah, let us know 287 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: how you did. Coming up next, We're gonna let you 288 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: know on who to play in the Week sixteen opener 289 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: between the Rams and Seahawks and Seattle with so much 290 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: on the line. And we'll also bring up a conversation 291 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: that we had recently and the controversy and how it 292 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: played out in Week fifteen. It's all next here on 293 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: I Want Your Flex. Before we preview Rams Seahawks, there 294 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: was some controversy and it happened in Houston on Sunday 295 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: a week or two back. On an episode of I 296 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: Want Your Flex. We started talking about the different different 297 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: ways of scoring, and it was more about team defenses, 298 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: what is a return, what happens on a conversion return? 299 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: Just a lot of questions in gray areas, and Mike's 300 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: history and the sport shed a lot of light on it. 301 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: And like we've always learned in fantasy football, you'll learn 302 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: something new every day. And in Week fifteen, we found 303 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: out that if you recover a fumble outside of the 304 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: end zone and carry it in, you may not necessarily 305 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: get the points that you thought you were getting. And 306 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: this all comes from the Woody Mars touchdown against the 307 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: Houston Texans. Now, Woody Marks ended up leaving their game 308 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: with the Cardinals and had four point eight points to 309 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: his name and a full point PPR league if you 310 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: didn't count the touchdown that he scored on the amusing 311 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: air quotes here, guys, the fumble recovery on the snap 312 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: at the one yard line. This was big time conference traversy. 313 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: Bill Simmons was even tweeting about it. I'm sure he 314 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: had Woody Marks in his lineup, but different sites were 315 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: not counting this as a touchdown run because they were 316 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: counting it as a fumble recovery touchdown. Now, most leagues 317 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: have that setting, but if your setting didn't have that setting, 318 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: then Woody Marks wasn't getting the six points in what absolutely, 319 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: one hundred percent, Mike looked like a touchdown run. 320 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll it looked like a wildcat play with just 321 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: the quarterback as a go through like you were you're 322 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 4: going through the windmill on a mini golf course, right, 323 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 4: And yes, because it was a low snap, does that 324 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 4: count as a fumble? 325 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: Come on? That's you know what I mean? Like that? 326 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 4: That's the thing to me, It's like, I've never seen 327 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 4: that in a scoring log when there's a bad snap 328 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: that bounces into a guy. 329 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 5: Who fumbled it technically too, is it Stroud or the center. 330 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: Right, it would be the center right. 331 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: I think they called yeah, they called it a team fumble. 332 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: I think was the official I think that was the 333 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: official ruling on it. 334 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 5: It's not on any one person. We all bet, but 335 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 5: it's like we all know what the intent was. Like, 336 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 5: there was no no effort from Stroud to field the ball, right, 337 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 5: he was just standing there. 338 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: So like. 339 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: I did at one point think that it was maybe 340 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: it was a planned to play because I thought about it. 341 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, how could you How could that get 342 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: through Stroud's legs and not not hit his hand or 343 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: hit anything. But Stroud said after the game, yeah, probably 344 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a shotgun, and the center said 345 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: that he didn't feel Stroud under center, so just obviously 346 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: chucked it back and by the way, heck of a 347 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: scoop by Woody Marks to take it and then just 348 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: not miss a beat and end up cashing in on 349 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: the touchdown. But for a while, like our Guillotine league, 350 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: it took a full day for it to cash in, 351 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how it cashed in on other leagues. 352 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: The ESPN site that in one of the leagues that 353 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: I was on, did count the touchdown, so that setting 354 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: was marked off. But if you didn't have that setting 355 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: in your league rules, you likely weren't getting the touchdowns 356 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: scored by Woody Markin. 357 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty crazy. 358 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 4: I sent the flare up to the folks over at Guillotine, going, hey, 359 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: need to address this. In prior podcast, as Dan alluded to, 360 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 4: I used to put in FAQs to explain scoring rules 361 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 4: and odd ball situations. You know, like, hey, here's the 362 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 4: Fueld goal, but like the first time that a Fueld 363 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: goal was short, but they sent a returner back there 364 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 4: on a long field goal and ran it back for 365 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 4: a touchdown. You know, kind of explaining things like that. 366 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 4: It's like, well, it's essentially a punt return now, so yeah, 367 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 4: special teams defense got to point. In this case, this 368 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: would have been a foot Woody and an explanation. Do 369 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 4: you guess what you would have gotten? 370 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: Do you think that? Do you think this should be 371 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: any leeway? Like on a play like this, it just 372 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: so looked like a running play. Yeah, and in fact, 373 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: like the Guillotine site, they weren't scoring it, but they 374 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: were like direct snap the Woody Marks touchdown, like they 375 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: were calling it like a direct snap, they weren't calling 376 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: it the fumble and it wasn't registering. Or do you 377 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: have to go buy the book for consistency on like 378 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: how the NFL and the official scores rule it, Like 379 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: how would you where would you come out on that? 380 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 4: Well, I think it comes down to the to some level. 381 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 4: The way we've seen a lot of online sports books 382 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 4: handle things is that there's sometimes you know, variance right 383 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 4: where player leaves after two minutes. All right, they tried 384 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 4: to give it a go and they leave, And sometimes 385 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 4: a sportsbook will say, you know what, that's a no play. 386 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 4: Let's just refund everybody's money. You didn't get the you know, 387 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 4: you had an over under of twenty point five points. Now, 388 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: obviously there's some potential shenanigans, as we've seen in the NBA, 389 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: expand that to all other leagues, but for the purpose 390 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 4: of the conversation, you know, you have an early exit. 391 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 4: Likewise football, Hey, the guy gives it a go, Say 392 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 4: roma Dunze goes out for one series, runs one route 393 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: and he's done for the game. There have been sports 394 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: books that have then said, you know what, that's a nonplay. 395 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: It's like he's not he didn't start because you don't 396 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 4: want people to have a sour taste in their mouth 397 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 4: and leave and not come back to the casino. Likewise, here, 398 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 4: like to me, I wish the Texans would have sold 399 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: it a little bit more that that's now in the 400 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 4: arsenal as a scripted play, because again without with Stroud 401 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: really not making a play to it, I was convinced 402 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 4: that it was just a straight wild trickeration play. 403 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what. Credit to the Houston media 404 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: who followed up with multiple people about that play, knowing 405 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: how how it was important for a lot of people. 406 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: It was important for leagues, and you're talking about six points. 407 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 1: It's not just was that a runner? Was that a 408 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: pass you know for one point seven? Or who got 409 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: the sack on this one? This was a touchdown that 410 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: we all saw with our own eyes, and yes, common 411 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: sense prevailed, yea, And I hope that in your leagues 412 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: that common sense did prevail in Woody Marks got his touchdown, 413 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: but hey, controversy and then when it comes to the playoffs, 414 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: you know it's about ten times worse. 415 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 4: Well, that's just did because he would have been a 416 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 4: guy as an RB two or certainly a flex play 417 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 4: based on the expectations of a workload in that matchup. 418 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I would understand is you know, 419 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 4: the league, the league provider if they took a stance, 420 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 4: but you need to message it quickly and as thoroughly 421 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 4: as you possibly can. And then once you set that precedent, 422 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 4: you better stay with it. So if you go against 423 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 4: whatever the league's ruling is, the next time, it better 424 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: show up the same way, or you know you'll have 425 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: a bunch of heavyweights like us yelling about it. 426 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: Well, let's get to the heavyweight bout between the Rams 427 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: and the Seahawks coming up on Thursday to start Week sixteen. 428 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: Sam Darnald and the Seahawks couldn't get into the end 429 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: zone the Rams. That's all they could do against the Lions. Well, score, score, 430 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: scorescre and score. But DeVante Adams not likely to go 431 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: for the Rams in that contest, at least at the 432 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: time of this taping. Seahawks offensive line could be banged up, 433 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: maybe playing without left tackle Charles Cross. Mike, how do 434 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: you see these teams faring off on Thursday night? 435 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: Forty four and a half is the total last I look, Dan, 436 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 4: so not expecting huge fireworks and I'm really not. I 437 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 4: got Stafford as a back end one. The fact that 438 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 4: you lose one of your big red zone components there 439 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: in Seattle's defense should be more than up to the tap. 440 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 4: Even though you know they had the nail bier against Indianapolis, 441 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 4: It's not like they were moving the ball up and 442 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 4: down the field on them. So looking forward here obviously 443 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 4: a step up from Philip Rivers to Matthew Stafford. But 444 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 4: all of that being said, you know there's something to 445 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 4: be said a little bit of hey, just let's do 446 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: what we need you to get out of Dodge with 447 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 4: a short week. 448 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 3: Ahead and a big look ahead game kind of thing. 449 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 4: Sam Darnell to me is I mean he's a no 450 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 4: fly zone mid to back end QB two. 451 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: I can't trust it. 452 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 4: Is he going to replicate what he did last time 453 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 4: in terms of interceptions? No, But I think the ceilings 454 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 4: much lower Along the way we already talked in the 455 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: previous about the run game for Seattle, there AREB three's 456 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: with upside right, and I mean the potential remains because 457 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 4: you do get the defense that might be able to 458 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 4: because look, Matthew Stafford's been a bit careless with the 459 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 4: football of late as well. So you might end up 460 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: with a short field or two that give you an opportunity, 461 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 4: but can you bank on it. No, no, you can't. 462 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 4: As far as the run game for the rams, Kyron 463 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 4: Williams back end RB one Blake Korn would be a 464 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 4: flex flexible option for you along the way JSN top 465 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 4: five as always set it and forget it Ronco style, 466 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: and Pukin Nakua is right there with him. He's a 467 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 4: guy that he'll make the case for number one. Because 468 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 4: as much as I love my Jamar Chase love, I'm 469 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: a little afraid of Joe Burrow. 470 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: As we said. 471 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 4: So, yeah, two out of the top five there most certainly, 472 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 4: and then going deeper down the roster without without DeVante Adams, 473 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 4: and we assume as we record this that we're not 474 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 4: going to see him. I mean, I think that's kind 475 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 4: of the end of your receivers barter a play if 476 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: you're in a straight tight end league, no question. And 477 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 4: we talk about Parkinson as well as a back end 478 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 4: in terms of the tight end position, trying to just 479 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 4: move the chains. But these ceilings for both of those 480 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 4: guys a bit lower. 481 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Barner had ten catches the last time these teams 482 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: got it was only for seventy yards, but I know 483 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: we talked to him about him on a previous episode. 484 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: I'm just curious on what happens because Seattle dominated it statistically, 485 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: but it's the Rams who got the win. So do 486 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: the Rams play better than maybe they did against the 487 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: Seahawks the first time around. You can't think that Sam 488 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: Darnold's going to turn the ball over four times. You 489 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: would hope non if you're a Seahawks fan like me, 490 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: So the Rams aren't going to have that edge. Should 491 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: be a great football game on Thursday and excited to 492 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: see who ends up stepping up big time. But I 493 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: agree with you on the pass catchers Phoka and Akoa Is. 494 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that you can't stop him, 495 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: but now without DeVonta Adams like he is going to 496 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: be the guy, and he saw a majority of their 497 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: targets in their first matchup. And we know what the 498 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: Seahawks do with JSN, so the wide receivers will be 499 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: the story probably on Thursday night. 500 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 4: Very excited is one that you know, I wish I 501 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 4: could flop it to Sunday night. Give them a couple 502 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 4: more days so you know, see if you can get 503 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: one or two more bodies up, particularly when you talk 504 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 4: about your offensive line there in front of Sam Darnold. 505 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 4: But you know, trying to or can we flex it 506 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 4: to week sixteen take out one of those Christmas Day 507 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 4: or week seventeen, yeah, seventeen, take out one of those 508 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 4: Christmas Day games and put it there, because those games 509 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 4: suddenly don't look at nearly as attractive. 510 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: Way to go NFL and putting all your eggs into 511 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: the commander's basket, like we could have told you that 512 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: that was not going to not going to happen, mari Ota, 513 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: the home games in week seventeen of the home teams Commanders, Vikings, 514 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: and Chiefs. Have fun with that. One and only one 515 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: team right now is in the playoff picture of the 516 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: six playing on Christmas Day, and that would be that 517 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: would be Denver. But no, it's fun. I'll tell you what. 518 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: It's a heavyweight tilt. I'm excited to see the Packers 519 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: and your Bears, Mike on Saturday night while it's looking 520 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: at the ESPN and their ticket link two hundred and 521 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: fourteen dollars to see the Seahawks and Rams, double that 522 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: to see your Bears and Packers on Saturday night. 523 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: How about that? 524 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: Take it in the Windy City. 525 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: Well you got that. 526 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 4: We got the double header right, Because you get Philly 527 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 4: in Washington, you also get some college football action Friday 528 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: into Saturday. So veritable smorgasboard for sports fans. But yeah, 529 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 4: it's going to be cold as hell, rock hard. I 530 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 4: know my brothers are meeting up. They've got a pizza joint. 531 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: It's the family Haunt. If you go to Chicago, it's 532 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: where I tell everybody to go immediately. They take care 533 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 4: of you in the kitchen, and there's always a crowd 534 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 4: to watch the games. So they're taking up residence. I 535 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 4: don't think they've rented the space out, but they said, wait, 536 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 4: we can either spend five hundred bucks between us to 537 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 4: go to the game, or we can go eat and 538 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 4: drink and be merry and watch this silliness in the 539 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 4: comfortable warm bar. 540 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah I pick the warm bar. 541 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. This would be a fun weekend, 542 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: and Ian's Jets have an opportunity for a win as well. 543 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: Looking head to week sixteen, I'm rooting for Dun Dun Dunn. 544 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 5: For the loss evaluation periods over just all tank. 545 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: See we flipped them. 546 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: But we flipped them. 547 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: I knew it would happen there it is dand we broke. 548 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: Him finally, finally, by the way, to see Ian's Jets 549 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: and Saints, it will cost you twelve dollars according to 550 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: the seriously, yes too. 551 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but what's it cost to fly? Look what's 552 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: the flight to New Orleans? 553 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: Let's go, or you could just take the shorter flight 554 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: to Arizona and watch Falcons Cardinals for thirteen dollars, dare you? 555 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: That's what we're seeing on the on the slate right now. 556 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: Prices can fluctuate, all right, So that's gonna do it 557 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: for us here, and I want your flags. Will be 558 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: back at the end of the week with our week 559 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: sixteen rankings, Hot plays, cold sores, streaming defenses, Points of Paloza, 560 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: survivor the whole deal. So for my Carmen Andian Roddy, 561 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: I'm Dan Byer. Enjoy the Thursday night and we'll talk 562 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: to you at the end of the week here, and 563 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: I want your flex h m hmm.