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Speaker 1: What's up everybody in Hello from Canada. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of Crush City Territory I on Channel Room, joined

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Speaker 1: by Tyler Stafford and this week a special guest, the

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Speaker 1: Athletics Mitch Bannon, to preview this series against the Blue

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Speaker 1: Jays with a lot of familiarity. There's James Klick, There's

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Speaker 1: Miles Straw, There's Joey Liperfido somewhere. Will Wagner's in San Diego,

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Speaker 1: but he used to be here. Jake Bloss is somewhere

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Speaker 1: recovering from arm surgery. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: George Springer will be atop the Blue Jays lineup tonight.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Mitch, how are you? I know you're

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Speaker 1: relatively new to the athletic you're settling in this your

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Speaker 1: first season on the beat, quite the first season to

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Speaker 1: jump in on in Toronto. How's everything been and how's

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Speaker 1: how's life in Blue Jay Land?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It's going good this Yeah, this is my first

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Speaker 2: real September push, doing the whole travel being with the Athletics,

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Speaker 2: so it's I wrote this morning story about Barger like

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Speaker 2: feeling the grind of the season. Is first full big

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Speaker 2: league season in a way, that was like, maybe deep down,

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Speaker 2: just a way for me to get my thoughts. It

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Speaker 2: threw somebody else onto a page. But it's going good.

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Speaker 2: The team is exciting, so it gives me a little

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Speaker 2: bit of an extra juice. So it's going good.

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Speaker 1: No complaints before we get into George Springer and Vlad

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Speaker 1: Guerrero and guys that you know. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of listeners can name offhand. You just said somebody's name

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Speaker 1: name Addison Barger, who I didn't know who that was

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Speaker 1: before this season. I can look at the Blue Jays

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Speaker 1: lineup and I didn't know who a good bit of

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Speaker 1: these people were before the season. They it seems like

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Speaker 1: they are getting a lot of contributions just up and

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Speaker 1: down the roster. It seems like they make the most

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Speaker 1: out of the twenty eight now twenty eight guys that

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Speaker 1: they have on their roster. Just how has this worked?

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Speaker 1: Because we know the big names, we know Vlad and

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Speaker 1: Bow and Springer, But how is this work that they

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Speaker 1: have become this kind of pesky team that no one

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Speaker 1: wants to play and can really use a ton of

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Speaker 1: different moving parts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a good encapsulation of it. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Joey Librafito off the top. He was up for like

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Speaker 2: the better part of a month hit three sixty, and

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Speaker 2: they had to option them because they had to bring

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Speaker 2: George Springer back. Like they just have so many of

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Speaker 2: these dudes at the bottom of the roster who I

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Speaker 2: think coming into the season you could see a path

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Speaker 2: to the playoffs that was like if two or three

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Speaker 2: of these like potentially good stories click, maybe they're an

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Speaker 2: eight eighty nine win team. It's basically been like every

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Speaker 2: single guy who you thought had a chance to take

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Speaker 2: a jump has taken a jump, and trying to figure

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Speaker 2: out exactly why has kind of been my challenge for

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Speaker 2: the season. I think there is like David Popkins, the

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Speaker 2: new hitting coach, and Loui and Audie the new assistant,

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Speaker 2: definitely play into that. A lot of the guys credit them.

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Speaker 2: There is an element of like a lot of these

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Speaker 2: guys have like pretty big chips on their shoulders for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason. Like Nathan Lucas is essentially a thirty one

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Speaker 2: year old rookie who never really got a shot. Miles

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Speaker 2: Straw was very close to being at a baseball and

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Speaker 2: he's just kind of one of those happy to be there.

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Speaker 2: I'll do whatever it takes. Guys, Like there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of factors playing into these breakouts. I think it's not

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Speaker 2: like one overwhelming this brought everyone up. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: like basically half the roster is having a career season

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you look at the Blue Jays roster,

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Speaker 3: you know, they've it just seemed like you said, it's

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Speaker 3: just like a depth thing. They've just got so many

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Speaker 3: two or three wins above replacement. They're you know, Flad

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Speaker 3: is always going to be good, and you know he's

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Speaker 3: he's clearly leading the team there, but nobody's having you know,

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Speaker 3: an outrageous year. It just seems like everybody on the

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Speaker 3: team is having an eightieth percentile year for you know,

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Speaker 3: their true talent level. What is it like on just

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Speaker 3: a you know, game by game, week by week basis,

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Speaker 3: who is who is carrying the team? Is there one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely the latter. I feel like there was

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Speaker 2: the Jays went on a ten game win streak at

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Speaker 2: and basically every single win and that win streak was

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Speaker 2: like today's hero David Schneider, today's hero, Joey li Braffito,

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Speaker 2: Today's hero Addison Barger. Like I was just writing the

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Speaker 2: same story every single day, just like replacing the name

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Speaker 2: with the new guy who stepped up and like decided

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Speaker 2: to be the hero. And none of those guys at

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Speaker 2: the time were like Bo or Vlad or George Springer,

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Speaker 2: who is having If there's a guy who's having like

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Speaker 2: the whoa, how the heck is this happening season, it's

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Speaker 2: definitely Springer, just because he looked pretty cooked last year

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Speaker 2: and is now arguably having his best offensive season he's

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's not a line that's necessarily reliant on

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Speaker 2: who are maybe hitting the wall at this point in

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Speaker 2: the year. But they do a lot of platooning. They

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Speaker 2: the five guys at the bottom we're going to be

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Speaker 2: in any given night, and it's just they found a

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Speaker 1: There has to be buy in for that too, because

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Speaker 1: you know, Mitch, you know as well as i Entyler,

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Speaker 1: you know this, like baseball players like to know their

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Speaker 1: every day, and there's got to be a ton of

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Speaker 1: buy in in there to, you know, commit to a

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Speaker 1: the betterment of the club and the betterment of you know,

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Speaker 1: the entire season, and that's that's not easy to get.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that they have that, obviously winning helps,

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Speaker 1: winning does help that situation, but the fact that they've

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Speaker 1: rare to have that total buy in from all twenty

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Speaker 1: a testament to their culture. And I think it's something

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Speaker 1: we now know. I mean, they've tried for every big

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Speaker 1: how much they were in on Juan Soto, but I

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Speaker 1: imagine they discussed him. They've tried for all these big

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Speaker 1: then the one big name free agent they did get

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Speaker 1: this offseason has not played. So what has happened? Like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it kind of started after last season,

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Speaker 2: like they won seventy four games. As you mentioned, there

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Speaker 2: bo still is a pending free agent. Bassett also a

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Speaker 2: pending free agent. Like there was a very clear, like

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Speaker 2: style of baseball that they were kind of built to do.

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Speaker 2: And Chris Bassett will call it old school baseball, Kevin

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Speaker 2: Gosman calls it like fundamentals. They all have like a

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Speaker 2: they wanted like just to know what was expected of them.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to pitch deep into games. They wanted at

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Speaker 2: definitely got it. It sounds like the coaching staff is

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Speaker 2: definitely listen to that. They've the front office has definitely

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Speaker 2: like you're still going to do like what the front

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Speaker 2: But I think it has gotten that buy I think

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Speaker 2: know that, like, hey, guys, this is like probably your

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Speaker 2: So before the winning started, they were kind of forced

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Speaker 2: winning after that makes it pretty easy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, half the roster are NEPO babies who grew

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Speaker 3: up in the NLB too, so that probably helps that

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Speaker 3: you know, they've they've been around big league baseball since

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Speaker 3: they were in diapers. When the draft rankings come out

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Speaker 3: every year, do you do you just instinctively scan of

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Speaker 3: what last name looks familiar and maybe the Blue Jays

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Speaker 3: will will take this guy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Well, the funny thing is they've gotten

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Speaker 2: have had more that Calvin Bigio that got rid of

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Speaker 2: still finding like new new sons of big leakers. We'll

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Speaker 2: still trading onto other ones. They got that economy definitely marketed.

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Speaker 2: But I think what Jojo Parker, his brother is was

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Speaker 2: also in the draft this year, So maybe they just

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Speaker 2: want they want the potential to get like the same

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Speaker 2: when I think it's Jacob Parker is his brother is

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Speaker 2: going to be up for the draft, that I'll be

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Speaker 2: circling his name.

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Speaker 3: How do you not have a holiday at this point,

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Speaker 3: there's so many of them. You gotta get one up

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Speaker 3: in Toronto. Tell me about George Springer. I miss him?

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Speaker 3: What what's he been at? Why is he so good

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Speaker 3: this year? What's what's going on? And just what what

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Speaker 3: is it been like to watch a full season of

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Speaker 3: really good George Springer baseball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it started out like he was the only one

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Speaker 2: they were like kind of a five hundred team just

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Speaker 2: kind of looked like a oh, here we go again

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Speaker 3: He's sixteen for sixteen and stolen bases this year. He's

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Speaker 1: That's a very Springer thing to do. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: Mitch, you said one thing in the last segment that

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Speaker 1: I think kirked all Astros fans ears up, and it

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Speaker 1: was new hitting coach. The Blue Jays do have a

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Speaker 1: not hit very well. He got fired. Basically, I went

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Speaker 1: to Toronto and the Blue Jays now have the sort

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Speaker 1: Like when you hear the Astros talk about what they

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Speaker 1: bears out when you look at the Blue Jays stats.

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Speaker 1: The Blue Jays lead Baseball on batting average, they lead

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Speaker 1: home runs. They're like fifteenth or sixteenth in baseball on

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Speaker 1: home runs. They strike out fewer than any team in baseball.

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Speaker 1: This is just a team that gets on base. They

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Speaker 1: and like you just said, they're they've improved running the bases.

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Speaker 1: So it's not stationed station baseball per se, but it's

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Speaker 1: the sort of you know, the Astros use this term,

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Speaker 1: they use pass the baton. That's the term that the

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Speaker 1: Jays have done that. So how has this lineup gotten

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think It's kind of come out of a

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Speaker 2: the team we have, like we need to embrace this style.

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Speaker 2: And you got guys like Ernie Clement hitting three hundred,

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Speaker 2: but it kind of creates that collective buy into. Just

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Speaker 3: So right now, the Blue Jays are the one seed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like if they are the one seed

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Speaker 2: could make it to the World Series and then have

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Speaker 2: a really really tough time with whoever comes out of

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Speaker 2: the NL. Is kind of how I'm looking at this,

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Speaker 2: And I think like the Jays could finish anywhere from

436
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Speaker 2: the one seed to like being traveling in a wildcard

437
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Speaker 2: game at this point, like there's a lot of ways

438
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Speaker 2: the next three weeks could go. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: probably true for every other team I listed.

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Speaker 1: Will this work well? This like offensive style work in

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Speaker 1: October when you're going to be facing the elite of

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Speaker 1: the elite pitching. And look, I mean the Blue Jays

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Speaker 1: playing in the American League Eese, they face you know, Max

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Speaker 1: Freed and Carlos rodand pretty regularly, they face Garrett Crouchet

445
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Speaker 1: pretty regularly, like they see elite pitching, you know, in

446
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Speaker 1: their division. But a lot of people, you know, the

447
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Speaker 1: thought is that in the playoffs, you had to hit

448
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Speaker 1: the ball of the defense. It's home runs and it's pitching,

449
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Speaker 1: and it's catching the ball. And the Blue Jays do

450
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Speaker 1: have a very respectable defense. They catch the ball. Their

451
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Speaker 1: outfield is excellent, but well, this offensive approach work in

452
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Speaker 1: October when it's a little harder to just string three,

453
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Speaker 1: four and five hits together against you know, Trek Scugle

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Speaker 1: or Garrett Crochet or these these studs that you're going

455
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Speaker 1: to see in the playoffs. And the Ashers have had

456
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Speaker 1: this problem, you know, the last couple of years, they're

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Speaker 1: they're slugging numbers have been down. They haven't been able

458
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Speaker 1: to hit the ball over the fence as consistently as

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Speaker 1: they like. And they get in the playoffs and the

460
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Speaker 1: offense is okay, but it takes three or four hits

461
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Speaker 1: against these guys to score a couple of runs, that's

462
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Speaker 1: harder to do in the playoffs than it is in

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Speaker 1: the regular season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the two answers to that for sure

465
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Speaker 2: is they've I wrote a story earlier this year, actually

466
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Speaker 2: before a week where they faced like Matt Boyd, Paul

467
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Speaker 2: Skins taking d Ram and Nathany Evaldi. It's like, this

468
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Speaker 2: is kind of like an ACE week test for the Jays,

469
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Speaker 2: And I looked at how they'd face against the top

470
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Speaker 2: twenty five starting pitchers by ERA qualified guys at that point,

471
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Speaker 2: and they had performed obviously like their top ten offense.

472
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Speaker 2: They performed significantly better than like most teams did against

473
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Speaker 2: those guys. But you're right, it changes in October, like

474
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Speaker 2: the game plans get way more specific, teams start exploiting

475
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Speaker 2: things in a way that they have an all regular season.

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Speaker 2: I think the pass for the Jays, and a lot

477
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Speaker 2: of people, including myself, have compared them to the Brewers,

478
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Speaker 2: And where I see like the difference and potential between

479
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Speaker 2: these teams is the Jays are a very contact oriented team.

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Speaker 2: But they still have Vlad, they still have Addison Barger,

481
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Speaker 2: and they still have Dalton varshow those are like kind

482
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Speaker 2: of the three guys who could just pop one at

483
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Speaker 2: any moment, and if Santander comes back in the next

484
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Speaker 2: two weeks, like he could join that group. I think

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Speaker 2: in an ideal world they find like a bit more

486
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Speaker 2: of a balance between the contact the punting guys over

487
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Speaker 2: and then you just have Dalton varshow like run into

488
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Speaker 2: one as he has a bunch this year despite playing

489
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Speaker 2: only half the year, and you're looking at like a

490
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Speaker 2: three to one lead. The question is for me more

491
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Speaker 2: is do they have the pitching than to win a

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Speaker 2: game where they have a three to one lead. That's

493
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Speaker 2: kind of been the sketchy point for them, But I

494
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Speaker 2: think the offense at least has like a framework to

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Speaker 2: succeed in October.

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Speaker 3: Those are a lot of lefties you mentioned too, of

497
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Speaker 3: you know, the top end talent in the American League

498
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Speaker 3: right now is a lot of left handed starters, and

499
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Speaker 3: this is a very right handed heavy lineup, not nearly

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Speaker 3: as much as the Astros have been. But you know

501
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Speaker 3: that's another thing to keep in mind is, yeah, Garrett Crochet,

502
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Speaker 3: Trek Scoogle, Rodin Freed, like, all these guys are lefties,

503
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Speaker 3: and so you know, when you do get to the playoffs,

504
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Speaker 3: you're gonna you know, Hunter Brown might be the he

505
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Speaker 3: might Is he the best right handed He's got to

506
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Speaker 3: be the best right handed starter in the American League

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Speaker 3: right now. So you know, that's another thing to keep

508
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Speaker 3: in mind. Certainly we don't have to spend a ton

509
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Speaker 3: of time on this. How is Tyler Heineman hitting three hundred?

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Speaker 2: It beats me, honestly, I wish I had a really

511
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Speaker 2: good answer for you. Like he he has made some changes,

512
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Speaker 2: Like I've talked to the hitting coaches and him about it.

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Speaker 2: He's kind of doing like a very very very micro

514
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Speaker 2: version of what Springer's doing. And just like they're telling

515
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Speaker 2: him to swing harder, and they don't really carries a

516
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Speaker 2: backup catcher. Strikeout, dude, just go try to like put

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Speaker 2: the ball in play. He's run into a couple home

518
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Speaker 2: runs and I think it's like his second and third

519
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Speaker 2: home runs of his entire career have come this season.

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Speaker 2: But yes, it's a lot of like ground balls that

521
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Speaker 2: are finding holes. It's a lot of like very timely hits,

522
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Speaker 2: like he has been a huge player for them to

523
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Speaker 2: give Kirk some some needed time off his feet. But

524
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Speaker 2: it's not like it's not the most beautiful style of baseball.

525
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Speaker 2: He's just finding a way to get it done.

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Speaker 3: I spent a ton of time with him in Corpus

527
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Speaker 3: Christy when the Astros had just implemented track man stuff,

528
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Speaker 3: and so I was the nerd on the computer with

529
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Speaker 3: him after every game looking at all the track man stuff,

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Speaker 3: and I look up and I'm like, he's hitting three hundred.

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Speaker 3: I did not see that coming. My other connection is

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Speaker 3: Braden Fisher. I live ten minutes from his high squad.

533
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Speaker 3: I saw him pitch a bunch in high school. So

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Speaker 3: if you could ask him for me what his NOBE

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Speaker 3: order is, that's the best restaurant down here. And that's

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Speaker 3: going to tell me a lot about him and what

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Speaker 3: that order is. So that's going to be very important journalism.

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Speaker 3: I need you to do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Fish is the man. He just got called

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Speaker 2: back up. He's a really nice guy. So I will

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Speaker 2: I will report that. Thank you, nob That is.

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Speaker 3: Nob n Obi. Yeah, very important.

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Speaker 1: We've talked. We spent a lot of this time talking

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Speaker 1: about the Blue Jays lineup and their offense, because that's

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Speaker 1: what is what is what is driving this team. They

572
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Speaker 1: they are an offense first, kind of contact bat first team.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about Tyler and I were talking about

574
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Speaker 1: the last episode just briefly mentioning this series. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about their rotation, and it's a lot of guys that

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Speaker 1: just know how to pitch, like they They've got a

577
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Speaker 1: lot of veterans. I mean, three guys at the ashers

578
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Speaker 1: will see this week, or Shane Bieber, Jose Barrios, and

579
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Speaker 1: Kevin Gosman, three guys that have been around, that have

580
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Speaker 1: pitched in playoff games that are not maybe the elite

581
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: of elite starters, but no out of pitch are not

582
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: gonna get absolutely blown up or not going to have

583
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Speaker 1: things completely unravel. And then they've been around before. The

584
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Speaker 1: Blue Jays bullpen has been a mess, to put it lightly,

585
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Speaker 1: in the second half, we we'll save them for a

586
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Speaker 1: little bit. But how has this rotation kind of come together,

587
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Speaker 1: especially with no one that's really kind of standing out

588
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Speaker 1: as they the number like I don't I couldn't look

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Speaker 1: at this team, this rotation right now and say, oh,

590
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Speaker 1: this dude's definitely starting Game one of a playoff series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that has kind of been the story

592
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Speaker 2: of the rotation the whole year. Like the second it

593
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Speaker 2: became clear that the Jays were like probably on October team,

594
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Speaker 2: the fan base turned their attention to, like, Okay, who

595
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: the heck are like playoff starters? Because you had Eric

596
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Speaker 2: Lauer into the rotation. Mix two, he's back in the

597
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Speaker 2: bullpen now, but like for one stretch he was like

598
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Speaker 2: arguably their best starter, and they had, like after getting

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Speaker 2: Bieber six like decent options kind of question marks for

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. What are we going to do here? And

601
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Speaker 2: it's just about trying to find like the guys who

602
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Speaker 2: are not only like the regular season work horses that

603
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Speaker 2: are going to get them there, but the guys who

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Speaker 2: can succeed in October. I think there's a lot of

605
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Speaker 2: hope and faith that Shane Bieber could be that guy.

606
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Speaker 2: He looked really good in his first two starts, and

607
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Speaker 2: aside from one inning, and Cincinnati looked really good as well.

608
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Speaker 2: He let up all hall of his runs in that

609
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Speaker 2: one frame. But gosmin is another guy who like when

610
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Speaker 2: he is on on has the fastball and splitter, he

611
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Speaker 2: can win you a playoff game. And so those are two,

612
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Speaker 2: and it's just kind of about trying to find the

613
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Speaker 2: third and fourth guys with this potential October rotation. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's a decision that's going to come down

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Speaker 2: to like September twenty eighth, before it really it really

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Speaker 2: bears out.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, you also have Max Scherzer, who, until

618
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Speaker 3: proven otherwise, I'm going to assume is going to turn

619
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Speaker 3: it on in October and be terrifying. How long did

620
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Speaker 3: it take you to ask him a question without being nervous?

621
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Speaker 3: He seems like an intense man to speak.

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Speaker 2: To, certainly an intense man. It helped that, like the

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Speaker 2: first time I talked to him, because I didn't actually

624
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Speaker 2: start on the beat until after he had already gotten

625
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Speaker 2: injured at the beginning. This is like a scrum update

626
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Speaker 2: of like him breaking down the details of his thumb.

627
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Speaker 2: It's very hard to be like intimidated by a guy

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Speaker 2: when he's like going through all of the pain he

629
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Speaker 2: has in specifics parts of his thumb. So that certainly

630
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Speaker 2: was an easy entry point into the Max Chercer. But

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Speaker 2: intense is a very good word for it. He's both

632
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Speaker 2: thoughtful and intense at the same time. Though. He's very

633
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Speaker 2: open to like talking to you about anything, and then

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Speaker 2: you hit on like something he doesn't want to talk about,

635
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Speaker 2: and he's like, I don't talk about that, and you're like, Okay,

636
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Speaker 2: I guess I'm gonna find something else to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been interesting having around for sure.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like his quote unquote very good friend Justin Verlander,

639
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Speaker 1: Like they are cut from the same cloth, which is

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Speaker 1: why they are, which is why they are. I would

641
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Speaker 1: not say frenemies, but they're they've gotten close. But earlier

642
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: in their career that was not the That was not

643
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Speaker 1: the case. The Blue Jays bullpen man certainly a collection

644
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Speaker 1: of names. They They tried their best at the deadline.

645
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Speaker 1: They traded for Lewis Varlin from the Minnesota Twins. They

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Speaker 1: traded for Sir Anthony Domingas from the Orioles. They signed

647
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Speaker 1: Jeff Hoffman this offseason. It's just not worked, granted that,

648
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Speaker 1: you know, all it takes for a bullpen to all

649
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: it takes is like a couple of guys getting hot

650
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: and a couple of guys pitching well for a couple

651
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: of weeks and the outlook of a bullpen looks differently.

652
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: But what what has caused this bullpen to have so

653
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: many struggles? And how is that challenging John Schneider and

654
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of how he matches up late in games and

655
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of maybe how long he sticks with his starters

656
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: kind of kind of how has this kind of defined

657
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: the second half of their season?

658
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think since it's kind of the second week

659
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 2: of August, this has been a thing. Like Sir Anthony

660
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: Divegez when they brought him in is he's actually been

661
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: pretty solid for them. He's he is the Sir Anthony

662
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: Devengaz everyone thought where he's gonna watch some guys, he's

663
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: gonna buzz some accidentally by a guy's forehead, but then

664
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: he's gonna strike you out as well. He's been the experience.

665
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: But basically every other guy in the bullpen has gone

666
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: through like the worst month of their season over the

667
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: last month. And the big issue is the walks. They

668
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: have the highest walk rate in baseball since the beginning

669
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: of August. It's like fourteen percent from the bullpen, which

670
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: it just when it's a bullpen that's always given up

671
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: homers and hasn't been like the elite elite bullpen. They'll

672
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: give up their hits as well when you're just adding

673
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: free passes on top of that. It's where you get

674
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: the big bullpen blow ups. And it's been very challenging

675
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: for Schneider, Like he has tried out Tommy Nance in

676
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: the ninth inning of games, who's a guy who they

677
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: designated for assignment after spring. They've been searching for different

678
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: seventh day thinning combinations. They've been given guys really short leashes.

679
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: I going to Brendan little for like very specific like

680
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: matchups and having him walk a guy or bounce a pitch.

681
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: It's been I think a lot of the fans are

682
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: mad at Schneider, but it's kind of one of those

683
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: situations where for three weeks, no matter who he taps

684
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: on the shoulder to go in the game, like, it

685
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: hasn't really worked. I think over the weekend in New

686
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: York and in the last couple of games in Cincinnati

687
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: it seemed to get a bit better. But we've seen

688
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: kind of glimpses of Hoffman really locking it in Farland

689
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: looking a little better before, and it's got to be

690
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: like a two or three week stretch before I think

691
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: we can definitively say this is like a fixed problem.

692
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: So Jeff Hoffman is the closer, right or is that

693
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: is that up in the air.

694
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: No, he's through it all, through the days where he's

695
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: had like a five ERA, through the multiple blown saves,

696
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: he has been there guy. I don't expect at this

697
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: point in the season they're going to go to anyone else,

698
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: partially because like, who are they going to go to?

699
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: There isn't like an obvious, like seventh inning guy who's

700
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: got like a one point two were or anything like that.

701
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: So uh been for him, It's been more the home

702
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: runs than anything else. Like he's still striking out a

703
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: bunch of guys, not a ton of walks, and he

704
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: gets some soft contact and then every so often he'll

705
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: just like give up a three one bomb that like

706
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: goes through the third deck and like how did that happen?

707
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: And I think they still see him as the guy

708
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: with the highest upside, the guy who's for times this

709
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: year has been like a lockdown closer, And so he's

710
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: their dude, and I expect on October first he will

711
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 2: be their dude.

712
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: He's got thirty saves. Yeah, I mean, I mean, granted,

713
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: that's because the Blue Jays have more wins than everybody

714
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: else in the American League, but thirty saves. He also

715
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: currently has one of my favorite things, which is where

716
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: he has the exact same era and FIP, which is

717
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: really fun for seven seven. Love it, love it when

718
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: it lines up perfectly like that. So that's fun that

719
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: he's he's at least consistent. You know, you can't, you

720
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: can't point to bad luck somewhere like Nope, that that

721
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: seems about right. Four seven seven seems about right for

722
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: him this year.

723
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, distantly inconsistent. I mean the Jeff Hoffman of twenty

724
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: twenty five.

725
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: So I mean in a playoff series, let's say, you know,

726
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: Game five of the Alds, you're running out your store.

727
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: I mean again, there's nobody in the Blue Jays rotation

728
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: that I would assume that you would expect could give

729
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: seven innings of one run. But you know, obviously that

730
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: can happen, like any of those guys are capable of

731
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 3: doing it. But I would imagine the plan is five

732
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: and two thirds from your starter, then what like, what

733
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 3: is the ideal runout of the Blue Jays bullpen six seven,

734
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: eight nine, Like if is there one or is it

735
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: just whatever's working that day.

736
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: I think it's probably more whatever is working. But like

737
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: in a dream scenario, if they get like a couple

738
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: of these guys locked back in at the beginning of

739
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: the year, it was like there was an obvious like

740
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: Braden Fisher is the sixth Yarria, Al Rodriguez gets the seventh,

741
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: Brendon Little gets whatever Lefty Lane whenever it shows up,

742
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: and then you go to Hoffman and in the ninth

743
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: I think that is like the dream for they could

744
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: trot out Louis Varlin can get you a big ground

745
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: ball in there if you need. He can also be

746
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: a guy to like cover two innings alongside Fisher. But yeah,

747
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: there's not like an obvious like this is how we

748
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: cover four innings. I do expect Eric Lauer will like

749
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: follow a starter at some point in the playoffs and

750
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: like fans are gonna freak out because it's gonna be

751
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: shades of Schneider pulling Jose Barrios after three innings in

752
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: Minnesota a couple of years ago. Just just buckle up,

753
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: like that's gonna happen at some point because they're going

754
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: to need to cover innings.

755
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: Do they have any guys in the rotation that you

756
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: could see playing, you know, like the Astros have had

757
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, Christian Javier was a guy

758
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: that went to the bullpen in October and just excelled.

759
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: There is there anybody in their rotation that you could

760
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: look at as maybe this could be a guy that

761
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: becomes a bullpen ace or a you know, a savior

762
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 3: there in October that isn't able to play that role

763
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 3: now because you got one hundred and sixty two games

764
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: you gotta play.

765
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: I don't think so, just because, as Chandler mentioned, this

766
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: is like a pitch ability rotation. It's like a bunch

767
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: of guys throwing ninety two ninety three with like in

768
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: Bassett's case, eight pitches, like Josey Burrios is throwing ninety

769
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: one these days, and like the curveball hasn't even been great.

770
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: So it's there isn't like an like the obvious options

771
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: who I think would do great in the bullpen are

772
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: like Gosmin and Schurzer, and like those are probably guys

773
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: you're starting with. So that's doesn't really help you out.

774
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's also, like I don't think they want

775
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: to with where Max Scherzer is in his career, I

776
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: don't think they want to, you know, mess with sending

777
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: him to the bullpen and having to tinker with his routine,

778
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: tinker with you know, warming him up and maybe not

779
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: using him. Kind of the same thing with Gosman too.

780
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are so veterans, so I mean,

781
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: they've got so much service time and are so down

782
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: the road and being a starter that it's really hard

783
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: for that to happen. Like honestly, Christian Hoavier is getting

784
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: to that point, Like I think they could still put

785
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: him in the bullpen if they have to, but.

786
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: Not this year. They're not enough starters.

787
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: No stress, no, no, no, not this year. But like I mean,

788
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: it'd be like you know, we were when the Astros

789
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: acquired you Sa Kakucci last year. One of the things

790
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: I think I asked Dana Brown, like right after they

791
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: acquired him, because remember when they acquired him, he had

792
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: an era like in the sixes. I asked, like, are

793
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: you guys comfortable using him in the bullpen if need be?

794
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Knew knowing that he was going to start, but like

795
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: I kind of was thinking down the road and Dana

796
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: looked at me like I had eight heads. He was like, no,

797
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: he's here to start. And then I mean, well they

798
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: proved me wrong because he went out there and had

799
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: a sub two era for three months. But it was

800
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 1: the other thing of like you say, Kakuci's been doing

801
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: this for a long time. In general, you don't love

802
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: veteran starters that have been doing this for a while

803
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: to go to the bullpen and kind of mess things up,

804
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: mess their routine up. They don't like that. Teams try

805
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: to avoid that. So yeah, I mean Eric Lauer, he

806
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: was a former astro's legend at one point he was

807
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: in their system. I don't remember what his pitch mix

808
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: was like, but I don't think it was overwhelming, So

809
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, so it's not one of those things

810
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: where he's got like he'll get like three or four

811
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: miles an hour up. It's not like he'll the stuff

812
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: will play up. Really, it's just kind of a pitchabill

813
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: of him. But yeah, I looking at this rotation, they

814
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: seem like a very kind of straightforward team of like

815
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: here's our starters, here's our bullpen, Like we can try

816
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: to do some creative things, but like we're kind of

817
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: limited in what we can do creativity wise.

818
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly. I think there is like this Treya Savage,

819
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: their their top pitching prospect. They've like dabbled with him

820
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: coming into the bullpen kind of unsuccessfully over the last

821
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 2: couple of weeks in Triple A. He's kind of like

822
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: maybe the ace up their sleeve. They can lock him

823
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks and like have him

824
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: debut as like a Jackson Job type in October. But yeah,

825
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: other than that, I think it's they're not going to

826
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: surprise a whole lot of teams with what they're doing

827
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: in October.

828
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: No real quick. This series, particularly, it's coming at an

829
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: odd time for the Blue Jays that just finished going

830
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: to the Yankees. They lost two of three at Yankee Stadium.

831
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: After the Astros, they get i believe, seven straight games

832
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: against Ale East opponents. Their priority is, you know, finishing

833
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: this division off. There they lead the Yankees I believe

834
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: by two games. Now kind of how do the Blue

835
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: Jays view the Astros at this point is this? I mean,

836
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: obviously they have great respect for them and it's a

837
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: consequential series, but this series probably pales in comparison to

838
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: the one they just played and probably the two that

839
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: come after it.

840
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this series is like important in the

841
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: context of last series, and it's like if they lose

842
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: this one, then it like becomes like a stumble turns

843
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: into a step back, Like if the Yankees beat the Tigers,

844
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: then like the division is tied and we really got

845
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: a raise. I think this is kind of like a

846
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: stop the bleeding moment for the J's or get back

847
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: on track because they're trying to cling on to the

848
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: division lead, and the Astros and Tigers are also very

849
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: relevant to the Jays and like the buy situation and

850
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: like ultimately winning the division and like not getting the

851
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: buye it's like doesn't really matter, Like you can be

852
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: the top wild card team, and it's kind of the

853
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: same thing. So I do think this matters from like

854
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: a long term look, and I think this series would

855
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: have been had a lot more juice if like the

856
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: Jays had a five game lead in the Al East

857
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: and it was kind of like talk about the by time,

858
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: but now it's really like, Okay, can they hold off

859
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: the Red Sox and hold off the Yankees at this point,

860
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: So the Tiger. The Astros are just like another team

861
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: that they have to beat to do that.

862
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Speaker 3: The Astros are now relative to thereby, let me let

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Speaker 3: me clear that up for you. Barring some insane thing happening,

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Speaker 3: you know, it would take a sweep and then like

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Speaker 3: a eight out of ten streak, which of course they're

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Speaker 3: capable of. But yikes, it has been uh it has

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Speaker 3: been rough over here for the last two months or so,

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Speaker 3: basically the opposite of the the Jas lineup, where you're

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Speaker 3: just consistently getting someone to, you know, do something, or

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Speaker 3: you've got seven guys in a lineup every night that

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Speaker 3: are like, oh, I guess pretty good that the Astros

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Speaker 3: have pretty consistently had seven guys that you're like, uh, oh,

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Speaker 3: this guy's up right now, he's in a slump. So

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Speaker 3: but again, you know, those things can change. We've talked

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Speaker 3: about it all year on this show that, as Chandler

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Speaker 3: mentioned in the playoffs, you just need a handful of

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Speaker 3: guys to get hot. The Astros certainly have the people

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Speaker 3: that could do that. But I don't think I'd be

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Speaker 3: too worried if I were The Jays about the Astro

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Speaker 3: is making up a ton of ground here.

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Speaker 1: The Blue Jays get to miss fromber Valdez, they get

882
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: to miss Hunter Brown. They do get cy Young Canada

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00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: Jason Alexander face on Wednesday. That'll be interesting. But but yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is this should be you know, it's a I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's September ninth, like litmus tests are over. Like the

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Speaker 1: Ashers just have to it doesn't matter who's in front

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Speaker 1: of them. Like, I don't think this is going to

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00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: tell us anything about the Ashers that we don't know.

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00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: But still, it'll be nice to see them against some

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00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: representative competition and some competition that that will be alongside

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Speaker 1: them in October, because you know, the Ashers haven't had

892
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: that in a while. They just they just played the Yankees,

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00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: who you know, it was it was a competitive series.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe the final score is notwithstanding, but it

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00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: was a competitive series. They held their own. It'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see what they do against a Blue Jays

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Speaker 1: team that they haven't seen since April. So this is

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Speaker 1: a it's a Blue Jay team that looks a whole

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Speaker 1: lot different than what the Astros saw in April at

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Speaker 1: dyke In Park when the Astros took two out of three.

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Speaker 1: So I'll be Rogers Center it's gonna be lit. I

902
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: love going to Rogers Center. Love love it when they're good,

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00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: love it when the roof's open because it gets loud

904
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: in there. And people love the people love the Jays

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Speaker 1: so and people love to come watch the Astros for

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Speaker 1: some reason. I'm not really sure why. I'm not real

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Speaker 1: sure why opposing fans love to come see the Astros,

908
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Speaker 1: but they're gonna do that this week. This week in Toronto, Mitch,

909
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: you'll be there. Tell the people where they can follow you,

910
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: where they can get all of your Great Blue Jays

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00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: coverage from here until the end of the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm over at the Athletic alongside Chandler, so a

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Speaker 2: few reading his stuff. Maybe just like scroll down in

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Speaker 2: one of my articles will be suggestive to you. But

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Speaker 2: I'm also on Twitter at Mitch Bannon. That's two ends

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00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: and then another at the end.

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Speaker 1: Two ends and another end at the end. I'm on

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Speaker 1: X at Chandler Underscore, rom Tyler is at Tyler C. Stafford.

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Speaker 1: As always, guys, you can rate and review us on Apple.

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Speaker 1: like the videos because that helps a lot in terms

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Speaker 1: of our growth, in terms of spreading what we do

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Speaker 1: all around. We will be back at the end of

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Speaker 1: this series to preview the Braves. After the Blue Jays,

928
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Speaker 1: we'll recap what happens at Rogers Center. As always, you

929
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Speaker 1: can read Mitch's coverage if you'd like to see from

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Speaker 1: the other side. I'll be in Rogers Center as well. Mitch.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate this. This is great man. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: lending us some information before you go. Since I went

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Speaker 1: there this morning, what what should be my go to

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Speaker 1: Tim Horton's order Because I liked what I got this morning,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't didn't fulfill my didn't fulfill my expectations.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a big proponent of the Farmer's breakfast wrap.

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00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: It's it's like a it's got egg, bacon, or sausage

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Speaker 2: you can choose, and then a hash brown in the

939
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Speaker 2: wrap and like a nice like sauce in it. It's

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Speaker 2: like it's the elite Tim Horton's breakfast. Often for me,

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Speaker 2: I love a chocolate las donut and I love a

942
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Speaker 2: medium mice coffee as well. That's my that's my real.

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Speaker 1: I got the chocolate laze donut. It was quite good,

944
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Speaker 1: but then I got a breakfast sandwich that was very mah.

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Speaker 1: But Tim Hortons forever great spot. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: eat my weight and poutine the next three days too. God,

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Speaker 1: I love Canada. Let's make it. Let's make it the

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Speaker 1: fifty first state. Why not until next time? Thank you guys,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back with you soon.

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Speaker 3: The correct order at Nobe, by the way, is a

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Speaker 3: pork fried rise with an egg. Bye.