1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 2: In final hour of the week, fourteen hours up, one 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 2: hour to go. Buck is soon to be en route 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: to Scotland with his lovely wife Carrie. Will be breaking 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: down everything for you next week and then Buck, we'll 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: be back the week after. Appreciate all of you hanging 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: out with us. News that is out there. According to 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: the New York Times, Donald Trump has chosen not to 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: engage in the debate on Wednesday in Milwaukee that we'll 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: be airing on Fox News instead. Again, this is according 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: to the Times, Trump will do a live interview, which 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 2: I presume would air on Twitter in probably other places 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: as well, with Tucker Carlson. We bring in now my 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: friend Sage Steele, who has recently left ESPN. We got 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: a bunch to dive into with her. But save let's 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: start there with the with the idea that Trump. I'm 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: sure you've probably seen that news that Trump might skip 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: up the debate and instead do an interview with Tucker 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: Carlston at the same time. 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: How does that strike you? What do you think of that? 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just exactly what we should have expected 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: the whole time, right especially for to air at the 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: exact same time. I mean, listen. I think for those 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: of us who follow politics, it would have been fascinating, 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 3: would have been great TV for him to join. But 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: I mean, strategically, it's probably really smart. And oh, by 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: the way, it's August of twenty three. He's got time 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: for that. It just made me smile when I heard 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: you sharing the news just there, because it's exactly what 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: we should have expected. All right. 31 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: I bet a lot of our audience will know who 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: you are. Certainly we've been friends for a long time. 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: But I want for people because this is obviously a 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: different audience than just a traditional sports audience. Yeah, you 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: have been with ESPN for how long? What is your background? 36 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: How would you describe yourself to Let's be a little 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: bit little bit Bruggadosho's here the biggest audience in all 38 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 2: of radio that might not all know you already, Sage, 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: Who are you and what's your background? 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: My favorite thing about you is your your humility. I 41 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: love ye. I started EDDIESTN in February of two thousand 42 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: and seven. My kids were eleven months all the time, 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 3: eleven months, two and four, and now they're seventeen, nineteen 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 3: and twenty one, and the older two just got back 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: to college at High Point University in North Carolina for 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: their sophomore and junior years. And my youngest is about 47 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: the senior in high school and she's celebrating because get 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: the house to herself. No arguments about the car with 49 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: their siblings. And you know what, my kids, my parents, 50 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: my family, That's what I'm all about. That is what 51 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: has always driven me, especially over the last couple of 52 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: years when things have kind of gone in directions that 53 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: I never could have dreamt of. But I mean the 54 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: background background, and I'll just be quick is yeah, I'm 55 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: a proud Army bratt. My dad is a retired Army colonel. 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: He just turns seventy seven years old. And the reason 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: I love sports and had this crazy dream of being 58 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: a sportscaster back in the eighties. I mean, I'm fifty, 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: so back in the eighties when women weren't doing this, 60 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 3: it's because my dad and his athleticism and his history. 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: That's what drove me. I was a daddy's girl, still am, 62 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: And I bragged about my dad because he won't but 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: he broke the color barrier at West Point, the first 64 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: black man to ever play varsity football there and He 65 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: was an All American tight end way back then at 66 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: six six and a half in the sixties. He was massive, 67 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: and he was principled, and he is an incredible man 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: and my hero, and he and the principles that he 69 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: instilled in me and my brothers, that's what drives me, 70 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: and that's what really keeps me strong, even with things 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: that I never thought I'd ever be talking about or doing. 72 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: That is a fantastic story about your dad. I know 73 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: we have a lot of West Point grads and also 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: people who are certainly in the armed forces today that 75 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: are listening to us, and that is a fabulous story. Okay, 76 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: so you started at ESPN in February of two thousand 77 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: and seven. It doesn't feel like that long ago, but 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: I'm curious what you saw in terms of the trajectory 79 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: of ESPN, which I think it's fair to say back 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: in February of two thousand and seven, I'll be honest. 81 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: I mean I would have said, Hey, that's just a 82 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: sports network. You go there to find out who won 83 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: a game. You go there to find out who got traded, 84 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: who's signing as a free agent. You put on Sports Center, 85 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: you kick back, and you have a beer and you 86 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: enjoy whatever the nightly news was associated with sports. I 87 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: bet that's probably what you found it to be. Like 88 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: in February of two thousand and seven, you just left 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: ESPN and announced you were leaving this week. How did 90 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: things change from February of two thousand and seven to 91 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: you deciding that you wanted to leave and what you 92 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: said was was a dream job that you had at. 93 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I play. Everyone who knows me knows 94 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: that this absolutely was my dream. And since I was 95 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: eleven years old and announced I wanted to be a sportscaster, 96 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: to the shock of my parents because I was like 97 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: this super shy, quiet little girl, and they're like, really 98 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 3: want to do this? Then you might have to talk 99 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: every once in a while and not hide between our legs, 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: so they listen. They watched me every single day that 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 3: they could over the last sixteen and a half years 102 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: at a DOESPN and kind of just in awe because 103 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: of how I really had to transform as a person 104 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: to live out this dream and get over that shyness. 105 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: And I still have it sometimes. I just how to 106 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: flip that switch pretty well. Back then in two thousand 107 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: and seven, it was just a different world. Social media 108 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: wasn't a saying. We were strongly encouraged EDIOSPN to get 109 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: onto Twitter. I think I saw it the other day 110 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: when I was changing my bio at the top of 111 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: my Twitter page that April nine. I think it's when 112 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: I joined and there wasn't a thing called Twitter and 113 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 3: social media. I mean, I don't I wasn't part of 114 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: my space running that crap because I was too old 115 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: for that at the time. I think I don't know. 116 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: I was old and married and busy. Social media has 117 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: changed everything because I think back then it really was 118 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: must BTV. People really did need to come to us 119 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: for the news at breaking news, you know, and it 120 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: would we would promote it on the radio during the 121 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: sports and our updates during whatever radio show. There was 122 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: probably Colin Coward show, and it's like watch Sports in 123 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: Art six pm or whatever it was. So times have 124 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: just changed. The talent group has changed. The Stuart Scott, 125 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: my late great dear friend, you know, he was Stuart then. Man, 126 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: there were we had came in, we had all of 127 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: the great Dan Patrick was leaving, I think right as 128 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 3: I was arriving. I remember seeing him in the stairway 129 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: once and and like hyperventilating because I'm like, that's Dan Patrick. 130 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: It was. It was a different time. It was a 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: beautiful time there, and I remember being scared to death 132 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: to walk in there, and it really is an incredible 133 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: place with a campus that truly is like a college 134 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: campus with some awesome people that I mean it when 135 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: I say this, I'm sad because of so many great, 136 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: great people and great experiences that I had, and I 137 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: have zero regrets. But it certainly has changed that I 138 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: think every network has changed since two thousand and seven. 139 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so do you remember, and for people who don't know, 140 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: you got suspended because you went on Jay Cutler's podcast. 141 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: Jay Cutler's a friend of mine, he lives here in Nashville, 142 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: former NFL quarterback, and basically you said, hey, I don't 143 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: think they should have mandated the COVID shot. You had 144 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: some other things to say, but I want to start 145 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: before we get to that. Do you remember a moment 146 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: in time where you thought, Hey, this doesn't just feel 147 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: like a sports network anymore. It feels very political too. 148 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: Do you remember a moment in time or an event 149 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: that occurred where you sort of thought, hey, looking back, 150 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: this is the line of demarcation. This is when things changed. 151 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: I do think it was kind of a gradual process. 152 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: I do. I think it kind of steels like it 153 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: snuck up on us. But listen through the years, we 154 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: always remember Andy Katz, who is so great one of 155 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: our layoffs that really hurt us back. I think he 156 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 3: was part of the twenty seventeen layoff, but college basketball 157 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: reporter and insider, he's an awesome human and really damn 158 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: getting his job. And every single year he came up 159 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: with the idea to go to the White House and 160 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: had Barack Obama do the bracketology and buil out the 161 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: brackets because Obama was such a basketball fan, and it 162 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: felt okay. Then I remember saying, wait a minute, Trump 163 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: like sports too, why why aren't we going to the 164 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: white House? You know with college football stuff? I don't know, 165 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: he used to own a football team, right or the 166 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: XFL like I USFL. I really thought, well, why aren't 167 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: we doing it now? And I remember asking that question 168 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: and you know, didn't really get answers, so to me 169 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 3: it felt gradual. I think during the Trump term things 170 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: really changed. And again I know that we aren't the 171 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: only place. It changed everywhere, but it seemed like that's 172 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 3: when it became okay in our country to just outwardly 173 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: bash the administration. And I get it, and that's what 174 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: people's rights are, and that's something I will always stand 175 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: up for. It's just if you did bash or say 176 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: something critical during the Obama administration, it was completely unacceptable. Yeah. 177 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because and I want to go to 178 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: the COVID shot in particular, and I bet you would agree. 179 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 2: If someone had come out and said, oh, one hundred 180 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: percent Disney should mandate the COVID shot, they would have 181 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: not gotten criticized at all, probably would have gotten praised. 182 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: You said the opposite. And what was the reaction when 183 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: you went on that podcast? And then you also said 184 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: you're uh as you mentioned your dad was I think 185 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: the first black football player at West Point, your mom 186 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: is white, your mixed race like Barack Obama. You also 187 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: talked about that your experience is just as valid as 188 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: his experience, and ESPN just basically said, oh, Sage Steel, 189 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: you can't have the opinions that you shared, even though 190 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: you shared them. 191 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: Out of work. I think it's such a fascinating dynamic 192 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: of what happened to you. 193 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: It's fascinating. That's a word to use, for sure, That's 194 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: one that I've used others, but that one works. I 195 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: you're right, and that's why I said a million times 196 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 3: that if I had said, shame on all these anti vaxxers. 197 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: You apparently don't care about your neighbors and your coworkers, 198 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: and you're gonna, you know, her mothers and kill others 199 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: and how selfish you are, because that's what was being 200 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: told to people like me who just questioned it. I 201 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: was never against the vaccine. I was against the mandate 202 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: or being forced to take it or anything. I mean, 203 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: and it's kind of consist and I hadn't given my 204 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: kids a flu shot in probably a decade, not because 205 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 3: I had really researched reshots, frankly, if more because I forgot. 206 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm an imperfect mother in more ways than one. 207 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: They'll tell you that I've forgotten, and I was like, wow, 208 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: and I've gone for several years now and haven't ever 209 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 3: gotten six, So just keep it going if I don't 210 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: have to put more shots. And then so it really 211 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: came organically. But to me, I was very apprehensive just 212 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: from the basic research that I did, because I didn't 213 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: go too deep on it. You didn't have to, but 214 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: to see how quickly it was being forced the vaccine 215 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: and it became political. That's when I was like, wait 216 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: a minute, this makes me uncomfortable, and I just want 217 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: to wait. Can I just wait a little bit longer? 218 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: It give me six months to make sure that we 219 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: totally know the effect of this vaccine, knowing that the 220 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 3: FDA usually takes what six to nine years on average 221 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 3: to approve vaccines, and this is six months. So I 222 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: had a problem with it, and especially with my kids, 223 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 3: who you know, the goalpost kept moving right. At first 224 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 3: it was kids under twenty, you know, don't worry about it. 225 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 3: You're fine, you're healthy, you don't have to worry about it. 226 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: And then the age kept lowering, and I just the 227 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: inconsistencies made me question it, and so I listened. I 228 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: waited to the very I waited till that day, the 229 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: very last day I could have gotten shot in order 230 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: to be to have followed the rules and to be 231 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: fully vexed by the I think it was the September 232 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: thirtieth deadline, and I waited till the last second because 233 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: it's Clay. I didn't want to do it, and I 234 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 3: wasn't going to do it. I was going to take 235 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: a chance, and I guess maybe get fired. I didn't know. 236 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I have three 237 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: kids at the time, one was in college, and you know, financially, 238 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: I'm I'm divorced, and financially it's all on me one 239 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: hundred percent. So I couldn't and I did what I 240 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: had to do, despite being disgusted with myself or caving 241 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: is the way I viewed myself at that point and 242 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: giving in to what I believed, especially being forced to 243 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: do something for my body. So on the I did 244 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: what I had to do at that time, and I 245 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: just prayed that if something came at this vaccine, you know, fine, 246 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: let it be me, just don't let it be my kids, 247 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 3: which they're not vaccinated. But trust me when I say 248 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 3: I didn't take it lightly, and I did. I ran 249 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: literally from getting the damn shot, ran home to do 250 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: the podcast with Jay that I almost missed because I 251 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: was struggling so much with taking the shot itself. And 252 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: I came on and I had to bandit on my 253 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: shoulder and I wasn't thinking about it, and just we 254 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: started talking and he asked, and I wanted to pready 255 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: to answer the question. I complied, I did what he 256 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: needed to do, and that was the other thing. It's 257 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 3: like I complied a volonging the rules, and I can 258 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: have an opinion, because, like you said, if I'd had 259 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: the other opinion, I probably wouldn't have hurt from anybody. 260 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: Would you have ever believed when you started at ESPN 261 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 2: back in February two thousand and seven that saying men 262 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: who identify as women shouldn't be women's champions would be 263 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: considered a controversial, controversial opinion to have anywhere, but much 264 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: less at a sports network, and for you and Sam 265 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: Ponder in particular, to be called bigots by other women 266 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: who work at ESPN for having that opinion. What does 267 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: that say about the perspective of ESPN when you get 268 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: suspended for questioning the COVID shot and other coworkers can 269 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: call you a bigot for not believing that men who 270 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: pretend to be women should be women's champions and nothing 271 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: at all happens to them. 272 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of different topics there. With the 273 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: transgender I wouldn't believed it two years ago, much less 274 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: than two thousand and seven. I still can't believe it, 275 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: and that's why I really won't even bother. I'm happy 276 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: to have discussions in conversations. Actually, to me, is what 277 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: is missing in this country right now, as people are 278 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: either afraid or unwilling to have conversations about important topics. 279 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: But this, to me is useless because it's ridiculous. And 280 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: for all those people who preach science, especially over the 281 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: last couple of years, they're conveniently ignoring science right now. 282 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: So this is just a ridiculous topic to me. And 283 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: I knew that when I tweeted about it that it would, yeah, 284 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: not be appreciated by some, But you get to the 285 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: point where you cannot stay. For me, I couldn't stay 286 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: silent anymore, especially about something that is so important. I 287 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: have been on record for years, not obviously just as 288 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: a woman in a man's world, but as a woman 289 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: fighting for other women and young women, especially a mother 290 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 3: with two daughters and a son who I want to, 291 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: you know, really raise as a man and to respect 292 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: women and women are equal and we can do the 293 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: same things you can, as far as you know what 294 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: we are worth, what we can do professionally, so many things, 295 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: and so to have this as a thing again. I 296 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: used to host the espnW Summit, which I was so 297 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: proud of for the first ten years eleven years of 298 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: its existence, and on that stage, all I would do 299 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: was help uplift women and let's have these conversations, and 300 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: why are we making us here or there? Why are 301 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: we doing fewer women's highlights and certain parts of our network, 302 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: like let's be equal, and so for all of those 303 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: women to be silent right now, I'm like, where are you? 304 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: Where are you ladies? Which one is it? Either you 305 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: support women as a whole or you don't, and you 306 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: can't pick or choose. I think the funniest part to me, 307 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: and it really made me laugh, is when Megan Rappino 308 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: called me out as well as Martina Nevertilova and Dave Chappelle, 309 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: and I was like, that's awesome company. I love Chappelle. 310 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: As far as our opinions on biological men, forget biological 311 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: men playing women's sports, and that by standing up for 312 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: women that I'm promoting violence against the transgender community, I 313 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: just can't. That's why I don't even bother responding to 314 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: some of that, because it's not worth it. So I'm 315 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 3: sad where we are. I'm grateful that my girls are 316 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: no longer really playing competitive sports, because that would be, 317 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 3: I would be a nuisance to these people. 318 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: Can you stick with us a little bit of time. 319 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: I don't know what you've got, but I got a 320 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 2: couple more questions for you. 321 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: Clay. You know what I'm doing. 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You'll save an additional fifty 365 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: percent off your first month Pound two five zero say 366 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck. 367 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: On the front lines of truth, appreciate Sage Steele hanging 368 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: with us. 369 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: And I wanted to hit this because I know you 370 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: told Megan Kelly this, but I just saw you share it, 371 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: and I do think it's an important message for a 372 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: lot of people out there. 373 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: You as you talked about it with us earlier. Your 374 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: dad is black. 375 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 2: He was one of the first, if not the first, 376 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: football player at West Point for Army. You tweeted this. 377 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: For years, I've been called a sellout because I identify 378 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: as biracial, that I'm quote not black enough for all 379 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: those biracial kids out there. I pray you don't wait 380 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: as long as I did to realize that you don't 381 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 2: have to accept that hypocritical BS. You are perfect the 382 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: way you are, and please don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 383 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: There are a lot of kids out there of all 384 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: different backgrounds. I just want to give you an opportunity. 385 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: That's incredibly well said. But it feels like and you 386 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: can tell me if I'm wrong or not that inside 387 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: of ESPN, and I think this is happening all over 388 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: the country in many different organizations. That identity politics requires 389 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: people to say, Oh, I'm on this team, Oh I'm 390 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: on that team. Did you feel like you were being 391 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: judged for not being quote black enough by some employees 392 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: who were black at ESPN? 393 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: I have felt that way for years, regardless of where 394 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: I've been or where I've worked. But it's pretty well 395 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: documented that I was treated differently because I'm literally quote 396 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: not black enough. There's a history about it. I know 397 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 3: you all have written about it out kick in the past. 398 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 3: I will say one thing about that tweet. I should 399 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: I should have changed it. I should have been more 400 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: aware of my wording, because someone on Twitter pointed out 401 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: to me that I shouldn't use the word I identify 402 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 3: as biracial because I am bi racial period. That's who 403 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: I am. My mother's half. Avoid as give mecuse me. 404 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: My mother's half Irish, have Italian white fiery, like the 405 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: most beautiful woman you'll ever meet. Get out of her 406 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: way too, so will take you out. And my dad 407 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 3: is black and I am by racial, so it's not even 408 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 3: an identity, right with all the id identity stuff we've 409 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 3: been talking about this country lately, so I need to 410 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: be more aware and more specific. I could not be 411 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: more proud of who I am. I mean, it goes 412 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: back to when I was a little girl. The difference is, 413 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 3: I told Megan, is that in the military, it truly 414 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: is the most diverse, beautiful upbringing I think for a kid. 415 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: And granted I lived in all over the world. By 416 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 3: the time I was eleven, I lived in four countries. 417 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 3: I didn't really have a home. I still don't know 418 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: where home is. It's certainly not going to be connect 419 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: a kid forever. But like I didn't have that, but 420 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: what I had as an incredible family unit, no matter 421 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: where we were in the world, that said you are 422 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 3: beautiful the way you are, and we are feels and 423 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: we are good, and we are together. And it also 424 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: is very sheltered though, because the military is so diverse. 425 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 3: So I didn't experience this negativity and this hatred until 426 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 3: I left that, you know, and late high school early 427 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: college is when I really started to feel it and 428 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: really felt like I was different. So I was really sheltered, 429 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 3: I guess, and maybe I'm late to the party, but 430 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for that upbringing. It was awesome as well 431 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 3: as just loving our country period, especially while living in 432 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: other countries that I I feel it amongst my peers 433 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: at ESPN a thousand percent, and I think that that's 434 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 3: what really breaks my heart, because you know, it comes 435 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 3: from the same people who preach about diversity and tolerance 436 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: and acceptance and inclusion, but what they're doing to their 437 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: own quite often not all, just a very loud, vocal 438 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: minority is exactly what they're preaching against. And that is 439 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: why I had to stay a couple of years ago, 440 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 3: like enough is enough. You can't preach one thing and 441 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 3: practice another. The problem is everybody's been allowed to because 442 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 3: if you call someone on it, then you are racist, 443 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: and including if that's me, and I've been told that 444 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 3: I'm a racist and the names on Twitter I told 445 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: Megan yesterday, I mean, it's amazing the hatred that has 446 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: common people threatening my life, my kids' lives. You know. 447 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: One time, Clay, my mother, after one of you know instances, 448 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 3: was on my Instagram and she called me and she's 449 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 3: crying and she's a hard ask and my mom doesn't cry, 450 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 3: but she was crying and she's like, they please go through, 451 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 3: Please go through and delete all those I mean, there 452 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 3: were thousands of hateful comments wishing me harm amongst other things. 453 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: She just just delete them. And in that moment, I 454 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 3: was gonna go do it because I don't want my 455 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 3: mom to hurt. As a mother, I can't imagine what 456 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: that would feel like. She's a mama bear, just like 457 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: I am. I would take people out. And she tried, 458 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 3: and I said, Mom, I can't delete those comments as 459 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: much as I would like to, because everyone hits me hard. 460 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 3: If I delete those, it would be like it isn't happening, 461 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 3: And this is real. This is the reality for me 462 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: and millions of other people who are just trying to 463 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 3: be proud of their heritage no matter what it is, 464 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 3: and mine happens to be as a biracial woman. And 465 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: so I chose at that moment. It was in twenty seventeen. Actually, 466 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, I will not delete any of this ever, 467 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: because it's real and it helps remind me of how 468 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: far we have to go, and that if I continued 469 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 3: to live in fear of talking about it, then I 470 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: would actually be part of the problem. So there's a 471 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: real beauty and no longer caring what other people think. 472 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: And that's taken me. Okay, I'm fifty. I'll be fifty 473 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 3: one in November, taking me about forty seven years, and 474 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 3: so I'm alf. I think I'm most proud of myself, 475 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: for which I wouldn't. I don't usually talk about why 476 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: I'm proud of myself, but because I dropped that feeling 477 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: of needing to be liked by everybody, it was devastating, 478 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: especially people that you think are your friends or people 479 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 3: that you think support you at work, you know, within 480 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: the organization, the bosses, et cetera. But once I let 481 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: go of that and realize that being being silent is 482 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: being part of the problem, it was really freeing. It's 483 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: something I have to work on every day, and I 484 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: think that what I'm most proud of because I know 485 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 3: now that by speaking out, I'm making a little bit 486 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 3: of a difference here or there, and I feel like 487 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 3: now like if I've ever questioned why I chose this 488 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 3: profession or why I'm still standing after so many things 489 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 3: that are held of a lot more important than what's 490 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: happened at with my career, like with my family and 491 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 3: with my father's cancers. I know that this is the 492 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: reason why, because I'm no longer afraid, and it's time 493 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: that people start to stand up, because if you don't, 494 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: you can't complain about the issues. 495 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 2: In my opinion, we're talking to Sage Steele, formerly of ESPN. 496 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: Is it true that you weren't allowed to be involved 497 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: in a George Floyd special on ESPN because other ESPN 498 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 2: employees said you weren't black enough. 499 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's that was a painful thing, and 500 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: you know that I would say that if you look 501 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: at the statement that those people involved and that made 502 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 3: after the news broke, then I think that that says 503 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 3: it all. There was certainly not a denial, and it 504 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: went in a complete opposite direction the statement could. So 505 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm glad it happened that woke me up. 506 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 3: That woke me up, and I thought, oh my gosh, 507 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: even when you try to do things the right way 508 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: and I am imperfect, ask my three kids, ask my parents, 509 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 3: ask my best friend, you know that's my dog for 510 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: God's sake. Like, I have a long way to go 511 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 3: and every aspect of my life, but I know that 512 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 3: I have always led with kindness and tried to treat 513 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 3: people as I want to be treated. That is part 514 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: of how I was raised and part of what I 515 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: think God wants us to do. So it was a 516 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: great lesson, like, wow, even when you're true to yourself, 517 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: which is what everybody preaches, I learned that it doesn't 518 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: necessarily matter if you don't go along with a certain narrative. 519 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: And that was painful. But I wouldn't I'd where to you. 520 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: I wouldn't change it because it opened my eyes and 521 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: it kind of brought up a little bit of a 522 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: rage in me, like something I didn't know that I had. 523 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 3: So I'm like, this is inherently wrong and like I said, hypocritical. 524 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: If you're preaching one thing, you got to practice it, 525 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 3: and that in itself is racist. What does it mean 526 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: to not be black enough? What the hell does that mean? 527 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: I don't know too many other cultures that do that 528 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 3: to each other. Within the own community. I've been traded. 529 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 3: According to Twitter, I've been traded so many times back 530 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 3: to the white camp from the black camp. They let 531 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: go of me a long time ago, I've been told, 532 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 3: so I hope they I hope they got a king's 533 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: ransom in that trade. But I don't know. 534 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: But isn't the goal stage that every single individual white, Black, Asian, 535 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: Hispanic or mixed race backgrounds of that group. Isn't the 536 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: goal that everybody should be able to stand on their 537 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: own individual belief. Shouldn't that be what we aspire to? 538 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 2: Isn't that what you want for your kids? It certainly 539 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: what I want for my kids. 540 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: That's all I want. And to me, that's actually what 541 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: this is about. For me. What standing up is all about? Diversity. 542 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: I remember speaking about this when I went back to 543 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: my alma mater to speak, probably in like twenty ten. 544 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: I went to Indiana. I'm a proud Hoosier alon and 545 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 3: I remember something had happened, and I remember thinking, oh 546 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: my gosh, diversity, But it doesn't if it doesn't begin 547 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 3: with diversity of thought and this other diversity DEI stuff 548 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 3: doesn't even matter. De I wasn't even a thing back then. 549 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 3: That wasn't an acronym for anything. You know now it 550 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: certainly is. I think they keep adding letters and plus 551 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: and minus signs to it. I don't know, but like 552 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: it begins and ends with diversity of thought. And if 553 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: we can't accept others for their opinions, then why is 554 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: anything else going to matter. It's funny because we really 555 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: do choose to focus on de I throughout corporate America 556 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: and everywhere, and that global corporate decisions are made based 557 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: on that. How about the diversity of thought? Was okay? Well, hey, 558 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: they want to identify as a women today or a 559 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: man today versus yesterday, or versus certainly how they were born, 560 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: We're okay with that, but not with that diversity of 561 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 3: thought of how I want to celebrate what I am, 562 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: which is a biracial woman who had the best upbringing, 563 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: the two most loving parents. In October, they're marriage fifty 564 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 3: two years when nobody gave them a shot, including their family. 565 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: If my mom's parents disowned her because she was married 566 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: a black man. So that's why I have perspective, play 567 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: like my stuff has certainly affected me, and you know, 568 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 3: okay made some headlines for a minute, it is nothing 569 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: compared to what my parents went through. And by the way, 570 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: they chose that in nineteen seventy, coming out the civil 571 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 3: rights era, when there are a lot more serious issues. 572 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: I mean, you think about what was going on with 573 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: zul right, there was Vietnam, and my parents are so courageous. 574 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 3: So I sometimes I just just laugh because I'm like 575 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: I have, I'm nothing. That's why I'm not afraid anymore, 576 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 3: because I know that there's bigger things and people in 577 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 3: my family I have endured so much more so it 578 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: makes it easier now to stand up. It just took 579 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 3: me a long time, and better late than never. 580 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: I guess last question for you, and I would encourage you, guys, 581 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: if you've enjoyed this, reach out to Sage. You can 582 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: find her on Twitter at Sage Deal. You're now free. 583 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 2: You can say exactly what you want. You don't have 584 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: to worry about somebody looking over your shoulder at ESPN. 585 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about coworkers saying you're not 586 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: black enough, or you're not this, or. 587 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: You're not that. 588 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 3: What now I say it, They're just no longer my coworkers. 589 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: That's a good point. That's a very good point. So 590 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: what now what you want to make an impact? It 591 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: sounds like, based on the stories that you're telling us here, 592 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: what's next? 593 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, and that is kind of scary because 594 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 3: I've always had a plan. Right here's the thing. My 595 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: plan has been foiled a million times when it happened 596 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 3: to me when my plans were foiled in college, which 597 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: you know, I need to write a book at some 598 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: point and that all of this will be explained further there, 599 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 3: because I I feel like sometimes I talk too much. 600 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: But my mom, during a devastating time in college when 601 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: I thought my entire dream of being a sportscaster was 602 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: blown up, they lived in at Port Leavenworth, Kansas. My 603 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 3: dad was still in the military at that time, and 604 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 3: I was in Bloomington, Indiana at school, and my mom 605 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: sent me a framed little thing in a little poster 606 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: in a frame, and it said, if you want to 607 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 3: give God a good laugh, tell him your plans. And 608 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: so I've never forgotten that. I still have that beat 609 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: up old frame from thirty plus years ago in my 610 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: office right now. As far as I what I would 611 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: like to do, I want to be able to, yeah, 612 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 3: continue learning what it's like to speak freely. I haven't 613 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: done that. I mean, I graduated from my U in 614 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five, from the Five Year Plan, Best five 615 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 3: Years in My Life ninety five. It's twenty twenty three, 616 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 3: and I've always been part of the media, and I've 617 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: loved every second, even the crap play. I've loved every second. 618 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 3: But I've always been super respectful of my job as 619 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 3: a journalist. Times have gotten funky the last couple of years, 620 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 3: right where we don't know the lines of life has 621 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: been blurred thanks to lack of clear rules and holding 622 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: people accountable at work, and now it's all over the place, 623 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: somewhere all load to speak others or not. I just 624 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 3: want to be able to have conversations about this kind 625 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 3: of stuff, because every time I do, I've realized that 626 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: the more vulnerable I am, and sharing things that are 627 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 3: very personal and scary and make me emotional like I 628 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 3: was on making yesterday, every time I do it, I 629 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 3: realize it does help somebody who doesn't have a platform 630 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: but maybe hasn't heard anybody speak openly about being told 631 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 3: that they're not black in US, and so if I 632 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: can continue to talk about it, then for those other 633 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: biracial kids who are being told to change, maybe I 634 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 3: can help them and maybe I can help them not 635 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 3: take as long to have the courage to stand up 636 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: even when you know you're going to get crushed and 637 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: your friendships are going to end. And I have to 638 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: use friendship and air quotes now because true friends support you. 639 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: Do you know how many friends I have that think 640 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: similarly to me as far as some of her politics 641 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 3: or just overall cultural issues. Probably two percent. But my 642 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 3: real friends don't care about that because it's about human beings, 643 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 3: not about who I vote for. And I'll land on 644 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 3: this when I remember being in a high school civics 645 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 3: class and coming home to my parents in nineteen eighty 646 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 3: eight and during the election, and I'm like, so, who 647 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: are you as going to vote for? I really want 648 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 3: to know because we've been studying the candidate. And my 649 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 3: mom looked at me and she's like, none of your business. 650 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, what what do you mean? I want to 651 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: talk about it. She's like, we can talk about it, 652 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 3: but it's none of your business because I want you 653 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 3: to go determine. 654 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: I think we might have lost sage there right there. 655 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 2: But I think what she was going to say, man, 656 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 2: she was so great. I think what she was going 657 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 2: to say is I want you to determine what you believe, 658 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 2: which is what every parent should want, every kid in 659 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 2: all of America and around the world to be able 660 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: to do for themselves. And if you do that, if 661 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: you raise your kids right, that's what will happen. Wish 662 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: you had a little bit more energy in your day. 663 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: Our friends at Chalk Natural Supplements they'll hook you up 664 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: with that. 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Fine the Clay and Fuck app 673 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 2: in your app store and make it part of your day. 674 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: Stage says her phone overheated. 675 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: She wanted to make sure that all of you know 676 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 2: that she has really enjoyed being able to talk to you. 677 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: Go react. 678 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: I like to say this, when you hear an interview, 679 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 2: and you hear somebody and you enjoy them, go seek 680 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: them out on social media because there's lots of negativity 681 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: out there at Sage Steel. You can certainly tag me 682 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: at Clay Travis And maybe you were in the car 683 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 2: and you just heard a part of that. By the way, 684 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 2: Buck on his way to Scotland. He will be in 685 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,479 Speaker 2: Scotland next week. We'll be back together. If you're wondering 686 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: where Buck was, you can react and interact with Sage. 687 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 2: But also maybe you were in the car and you 688 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: heard a part of that and you're thinking, hey, I'd 689 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 2: like for my kid to be able to hear that 690 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 2: story too. It'll be up on the podcast, It'll be 691 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 2: up on clayanbuck dot com. It's one of those things 692 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: that I think would probably be enjoyable to share with kids, 693 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 2: grandkids out there, her story, and I don't know what 694 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: Sage is gonna do. We probably, I'm sure we'll talk 695 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 2: to her at out Kick at Fox News, we'll talk 696 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 2: to her. I think she'll have a lot of different 697 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 2: opportunities of places she can go. But to me, what 698 00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 2: she embodies is the idea that all of us white, black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, 699 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 2: straight male female, whatever you are, however people see you, 700 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: what you look like, doesn't define you all of us 701 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 2: should have the ability to believe whatever we want to believe, 702 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 2: regardless of what our background is, and that, to me 703 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 2: is what in an ideal world this show represents, and 704 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: what this country should represent is all of us being 705 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 2: able to speak out loudly about exactly what we think 706 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 2: every single day, regardless of what our background is. And 707 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 2: that is what we are going to do on this 708 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 2: show for as long as we're here. Thanks for hanging out. 709 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 2: Great weekend. Leave Travis and Buck Sexton on the front 710 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: lines of truth.