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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. Sky Ridge High schoolers head

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Speaker 1: their young minds. Never could have seen this happening, Senior

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Speaker 1: Caleb Latimer had a good relationship with health teacher Chelsea Cook.

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Speaker 1: After taking her class, he signed up to be her TA.

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Speaker 1: She was my favorite teacher. She was one of the

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Speaker 1: Caleb says Cook confided in students about her failed marriage.

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Speaker 1: telling them the information that's been shared that yes, one

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Speaker 1: Kimberly Bird is the assistant superintendent. Have I ever had

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter John Lemley, Let's start at the beginning. You

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Speaker 1: An escaped pit bull attacked by a hero teacher. After

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Speaker 1: students on the playground at feel More Elementary in Oklahoma City,

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Speaker 1: when the dog quote chased down students, biting them severely

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Speaker 1: before trying to enter the school building itself until a

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Speaker 1: special ed tea sure Lee Hughes, tackled the animal. WHOA okay,

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Speaker 1: joining me right now is Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator,

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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. When I

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Speaker 1: hear that anything escaped, that gives me a very bad feeling.

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Speaker 1: Escape from what and why was it being held there?

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Speaker 1: What can a dog do to a child? A third

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Speaker 1: grader for Pete's sake? Yeah, and many of these cases

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Speaker 1: the dog is going to see the small child as

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Speaker 1: a threat. And who knows what's motivating the dog. It's

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Speaker 1: this whole thing's very ominous, and you know, with small

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Speaker 1: children on a playground, it's it's fishing a barrel. If

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Speaker 1: this dog is irritated, maybe the dog has rabies. You

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Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on. My first thought is

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Speaker 1: that they're you know, the child's going to try to

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Speaker 1: defend itself. They're gonna raise their arm up. The dogs

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Speaker 1: can go for the arm, bite the arm, or maybe,

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Speaker 1: worst case scenario, go after the wrote that's very terrifying, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: The dog, whose owner is unknown, actually gets onto the

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Speaker 1: playground and begins chasing and attacking children, even trying to

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Speaker 1: get into the building. Listen Oklahoma City nine on one. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I called earlier we we probably will need an ambulance

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Speaker 1: for some of these dog bites and film or elementary. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got every ambulance on the way. The twelve that

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Speaker 1: were transported, those students sustained some kind of some kind

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Speaker 1: of bite, whether it was just a nick or puncture wound.

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Speaker 1: The pit bull mix even managed to get inside the school,

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Speaker 1: but a brave teacher tackled him before we reached any classrooms.

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Speaker 1: The district applauding the teachers and first responders who spring

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Speaker 1: into action. Had we hesitated, had our folks done something

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Speaker 1: different than what they did, we might be talking about

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Speaker 1: a different result here. But the school is also reviewing

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Speaker 1: what happened. Should follow more protocol, I mean, take a

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Speaker 1: walk around before they let their kids out and make

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Speaker 1: sure that the gates are secured. Fillmore Elementary is one

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Speaker 1: of dozens of Oklahoma City schools with open playground gates.

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Speaker 1: That's a problem that we're looking at across the district,

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Speaker 1: not just at Fillmore, making sure that we need any

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Speaker 1: resources to make sure that those kids are secured. Two.

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Speaker 1: Penny Douglas, fur animal activists and trial lawyer in the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. Penny, okay, I'm ready. I'm sitting down. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I better lay down for your defense. Hit me well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: this dog, first of all, as the kids running around screaming,

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Speaker 1: that's what's exciting the dog and that's why it's chasing.

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Speaker 1: I have friends that go to schools and try to

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Speaker 1: train kids how to deal with dogs as they don't

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Speaker 1: get bit this dog and go in to attack anybody.

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Speaker 1: If this dog wanted to hurt somebody he could. He

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Speaker 1: didn't go in to hurt anybody. He was excited. They

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Speaker 1: were squirling, he started chasing. Then now my friends who

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Speaker 1: go in and he was biden that children, John Ley,

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Speaker 1: is it true the darn thing got into the school building? Yes,

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Speaker 1: And as we mentioned, if not for Lee Hughes, this

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Speaker 1: special education teacher, he was able to tackle the dog

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Speaker 1: before he reached any of the classrooms. He was able

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Speaker 1: to grab him right there in the hallway, right after

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Speaker 1: he entered the school. Take a listen to this start

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Speaker 1: fighting back at all? What I mean was it able?

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Speaker 1: I had had a penned and my arms locked around

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Speaker 1: and said so I couldn't move, and then the police

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Speaker 1: I showed up, correct, and he got on top of

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Speaker 1: me and the two of us kept the dog pinned

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Speaker 1: until more said Royson, do you feel like a hero? No? No,

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Speaker 1: everybody just give what they're supposed to do. Lead you

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Speaker 1: have experience with no augs, is that kind of yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean special ed teacher. I'm used to being able

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Speaker 1: to just do what needs to be done and it

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Speaker 1: just worked out real well. So I'm hearing that Penny

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Speaker 1: Douglas fur is saying it's really the children's fault because

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Speaker 1: it's like a burglar coming into your home with a

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Speaker 1: knife and a gun, but then saying, oh, he didn't

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Speaker 1: mean to hurt anybody. It's the children's fault because they squealed,

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Speaker 1: and they should learn how to behave around a pit bull.

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Speaker 1: And let me point out that Penny Douglas Fur, at

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Speaker 1: last count that I know of anyway, has five giant

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Speaker 1: Rottweilers running through her home. Okay, she has to lock

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Speaker 1: the doors to keep the dogs in, not to keep

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Speaker 1: burglars out, but to keep the rothweilers in. I'll never

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Speaker 1: forget those fangs I saw at the front door, Penny

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Speaker 1: Douglas Fur. So what you're you're blaming and they've never

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Speaker 1: been anybody right, that's because everybody runs when they hear

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Speaker 1: that snarling inside. Kathleen Murphy, I'd like to hear your response,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer to Penny's defense. That is the

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Speaker 1: children's fault. It's their fault because they squealed. I'd scream

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Speaker 1: my head off and run. First of all, I am

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Speaker 1: absolutely opposed to any pit bulls being around a child.

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Speaker 1: I'm opposed to pit bulls being around adults. But that's

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Speaker 1: just my personal opinion. I know they are very sweet

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Speaker 1: dogs out there. But way back in nineteen seventy five,

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Speaker 1: my dad did a story about to pit bulls, and

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. I was younger at that time.

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Speaker 1: They used to scare me back then. And if there

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Speaker 1: is a pit bull in a playground at an elementary school,

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Speaker 1: I'm running, I'm streaming, and it's the dog's fault, and

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Speaker 1: it's the owner of that dog, and something needs to

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Speaker 1: happen with the owner of that dog. Baking, I'm the owner.

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Speaker 1: They're still looking for the owner. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: I believe he's probably owned. He's you know, he's healthy,

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Speaker 1: in good shape, good conditioning, good hair coat. In this case,

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Speaker 1: due to the severity and in the number of people

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Speaker 1: that were bid, he will not be available for an

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Speaker 1: option or transferre. We have a responsibility for our public

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Speaker 1: to put safe animals back out the community. Why isn't

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Speaker 1: the owner coming forward? John Limley, That's a that's a

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Speaker 1: big question. Animal Welfare has just been scouring the community

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out where this dog came from. The dog,

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Speaker 1: estimated to be about a year old, has no tag,

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Speaker 1: has not been microchipped, but they don't believe it's a stray.

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Speaker 1: The dog is being held toward the back of the

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Speaker 1: facility there at animal control until they figure out who

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Speaker 1: it belongs to, along with other dogs who have been

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Speaker 1: considered dangerous, you know, Penny Douglas fur I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Fillmore Elementary School there in Oklahoma City where the quote

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Speaker 1: escaped dog broke into the playground. The fence at the

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Speaker 1: playground looks to be about five feet high and it's

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Speaker 1: a chain link fence. The dog broke in. It reminds

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Speaker 1: me of those dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. They can actually think. Okay,

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00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: they're sneaking around, remember them in the kitchen, and they

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Speaker 1: know how to open doors and ovens and things like that.

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Speaker 1: The dog figured out how to break into a chain

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Speaker 1: link fence, Penny Well. The article says the gates are

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Speaker 1: always left open at the school that it has the

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Speaker 1: chain link fence, but they left the gates open so

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Speaker 1: the dog got in. Oh, blame the gate, Blame the gate, okay.

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Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is when the teacher attacked this

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Speaker 1: dog or went got on top of the dog in him,

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Speaker 1: What did you say the teacher attacked the dog, that

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Speaker 1: the dog didn't bite him. That's what's very interesting. The

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Speaker 1: teacher jumped on top of this dog and the dog

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Speaker 1: didn't bite him. That says a lot. Okay, So I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that you clarifying that, probably because the teacher jumped

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Speaker 1: on and from behind. And you know what, do I

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Speaker 1: give the dog a docu bound for not, you know,

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Speaker 1: tearing into the juggler of the teacher after you'd already

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Speaker 1: bitten all these students on the playground. Penny, it's the

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Speaker 1: dog was aggressive and somebody jumps on it from behind.

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Speaker 1: He'll turn around an attack, and obviously he did not.

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Speaker 1: But the owner is a fault. I won't agree with that.

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Speaker 1: The owner is at fault. Okay, Penny, Now I know

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Speaker 1: why you make all the big bucks defending the dog

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Speaker 1: with a straight face. Right now, the dog is in holding,

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Speaker 1: probably getting a big fat steak right now as we

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Speaker 1: wait to find its owner. Listen, there were some gates

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Speaker 1: that were open. We're looking into that. That's a problem

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Speaker 1: that we're looking at across the district now, just at Fillmore,

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Speaker 1: making sure that we need any resources to make sure

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Speaker 1: that those kids are secured. How we're going to handle

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Speaker 1: that we do have a lot of gates across the

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Speaker 1: district and we're gonna be working well. We've identified that

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Speaker 1: um and we're we're putting We have plans in place

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Speaker 1: to put welded chains and gates that can't be cut

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Speaker 1: off on the fences. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off

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