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Speaker 1: It is the best of two pros and a couple

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Speaker 1: Joe with LaVar airings and rating Win and Jonas Knox

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Speaker 1: on Boxorts Radio.

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Speaker 2: This is a very special show, special show here on

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Speaker 2: this Monday morning, We've got a birthday in the house.

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Speaker 3: Oh ladies and gentlemen, Happy birthday to the one, to

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Speaker 3: the only that's good, to the magnificent.

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Speaker 4: LeVar Arrington. Thank you, guys, Thank you, thanke some noise,

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Speaker 4: thank you, thank you too much, too much, thank you,

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Speaker 4: thank you. All right, okay, right, all right, no but

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Speaker 4: cheers you come right now. We're gonna those surprises all

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Speaker 4: of course of the show.

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Speaker 5: Birthday that Norton.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank that was very nicely. Thank you fellas.

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Speaker 4: Did you happen to uh get to a pre pre

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Speaker 4: party the yes, yeah, oh yeah. I'm surprised that I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm in good enough shape to do the show. I'm here.

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Speaker 4: Don't expect much out of me, I know some of

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Speaker 4: you out there don't anyway, They don't expect much anyway,

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Speaker 4: what what happened. It's just there's a lot of partying

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Speaker 4: going on, a lot of laughs, some good music. My

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Speaker 4: buddy Byron Morey came through. He cooked some uh, some

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Speaker 4: tray tip. It was good. It was a good day.

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Speaker 4: My son, my son man Man surprised me and popped up,

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Speaker 4: popped up early in the day yesterday.

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Speaker 2: So the wife orchestrated that. And you guys, uh when

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Speaker 2: did he When did he show up? Like nine am?

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Speaker 2: I was still laying on my couch half dead, you know.

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Speaker 2: And that was that was on Saturday. Yeah, and he

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Speaker 2: just walked in. Yeah, and you had no idea at all.

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Speaker 2: What's It's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: It was a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean good

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Speaker 4: to see my boy again. It's probably the last time

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Speaker 4: I get to see him before, you know, he completes

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Speaker 4: his his freshman year of college. So yeah, it's pretty cool. Man.

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Speaker 4: The twins were home, Penn was home. I was. I

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Speaker 4: was missing too, the two oldest once at one. Marley's

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Speaker 4: at Oregon doing what she needs to do, and Keino's

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Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh doing what he needs to do. He's training.

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Speaker 4: You see him, bro, he's gotten pretty big. It was

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Speaker 4: a good day. No, he's he's like two fifty big. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's going the body builder out. Yeah yeah, so what's

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Speaker 4: his diet. He's dressing like a bodybuilder these days too.

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Speaker 4: You know, he wears T shirt, well not not quite

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Speaker 4: and he's just constantly walking around like a jug of

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Speaker 4: water next to him at all jug of water. He

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Speaker 4: eats like every what two or three hours or something

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Speaker 4: to that effect, and it's a lot. Like we sat

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Speaker 4: He consumes a lot. But he's gotten up to he

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Speaker 4: was like two twenty five when he was playing ball

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Speaker 4: at Delaware two twenty five to twenty. He's like two

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Speaker 4: fifty now. So good looking dude. I tell you that

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Speaker 4: he's a really good I got some good looking kids.

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Speaker 4: So there's that. Yeah. Uh, those are the boo the

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Speaker 4: but it's uncomfortable. You probably you probably.

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Speaker 2: Eating when you don't want to eat because you're trying

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Speaker 2: to because you got to keep you have constant fuel

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Speaker 2: And especially if like you can cut corners and do

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Speaker 4: Drinking, none of that. None of that. That's interesting because

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Speaker 4: it's like you're it's almost like you're intelligent, but by

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Speaker 4: the sounds of the people on your your social, we're

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Speaker 4: not capable of having a high IQ conversation. What do

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Speaker 4: you mean, I don't know. I don't understand why the

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Speaker 4: possibly can be. I think, like I just assumed, I

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Speaker 4: I just found that out on Friday, when when one

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Speaker 2: Hey, look, dang, if you're too smart for us, good

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Speaker 2: luck with life. That's not that's not really for you

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Speaker 4: Not exactly. We're not trying to out smart anybody here,

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 2: Then this is the show's about having fun, busting balls,

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Speaker 2: if need be go figure.

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Speaker 4: I just assumed.

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Speaker 2: I just assumed after the first because I thought it

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Speaker 4: I mean that has to be the reason. Well yeah,

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Speaker 2: It, And I thought, listen, you know, once you get

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Speaker 2: And no, it's like the traveling road show. Everywhere I've gone,

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Speaker 4: Or that you're actually pretty damn good at what you do,

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Speaker 4: and they could acknowledge it for all the times that

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Speaker 4: your post on Saturday, they consistently hate your guts, Bruhn.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but they hate me too. I mean, clearly,

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Speaker 4: So I don't understand how our show sucks. But you know,

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Speaker 4: it's just interesting. This thing is interesting how hard some

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Speaker 4: for a while. You don't make comments about something you hate,

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Speaker 4: You're a fan. Maybe you don't understand this, but you're

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Speaker 4: a fan. Did I see you call somebody a groupie? Yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm a troll. I'll troll a troller, So I don't.

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Speaker 4: I love trolling trollers. You know some people are like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you're better than that, you don't have to get involved. No, No,

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Speaker 4: I will troll a troller. I have no problem getting

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Speaker 4: into it with trolls because they're not just like, they

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Speaker 2: But now, at least now I've been exonerated on all

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Speaker 2: charges because Lee and Brady were pushing a false narrative

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Speaker 4: There's too many of them. It's not I don't there's

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Speaker 4: I don't and it's too many, I mean, and they

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Speaker 4: it to be burner times, Like that's just way too

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Speaker 4: much work. Oh my god. I could say if it

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Speaker 4: But no, there's there's a lot of them that that

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Speaker 4: ones that are more often than not on social media

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Speaker 4: write and crazys about you or a I've told you

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Speaker 2: When I grew up listening to sports stock radio and

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Speaker 2: I listener of sportstock Radio, did I ever think about

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Speaker 4: It never.

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Speaker 2: It never occurred to me. Yet every weekend I get buried.

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Speaker 4: It's never occurred to me growing up loving sports talk radio.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't like that guy's opinion on the

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Speaker 2: draft class homophobic slur, dang F bomb, dang a mom joke.

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Speaker 4: I just like, what are we doing here? But I

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Speaker 2: Keep on coming and listen if it's funny. I have

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Speaker 4: But yeah, listen, I think it's kind of fun that

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Speaker 4: You post them, whichever one it is. Well, we get

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Speaker 4: them during the week too. Yeah, and it's always on

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Speaker 4: your on your page. Sometimes it's on Fox Sports Radio's page,

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Speaker 4: but more often than not, it's on your page. I

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Speaker 4: think they have like a healthy obsession with you, to

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Speaker 4: be honest. Well, listen, I wish I wish more people

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Speaker 4: did now. Isn't that how Dratcula was was able to eat?

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Speaker 4: By the way, is this is this offensive? Is that

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Speaker 4: dude who was insulting us this weekend, he called me

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Speaker 4: a fat ass, like fat mother effort. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Fox Sports Radio Twitter account did

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Speaker 2: post a little birthday show promotion and there's a gift

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Speaker 2: of LeVar in a I believe this is a car

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Speaker 4: That is Eastern Motors. Sean Taylor was in that commercial

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a special day here. So it is

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Speaker 4: Happy Birthday song? Is that Stevie Wonder it is yet

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Speaker 4: it is that songs. And while I love my heritage,

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Speaker 2: Hey, Stevie, what a creative course. How long did it

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Speaker 4: Jesus? I mean it was for his birthday, all right,

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Speaker 2: There is a I don't know if this is a

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Speaker 4: hard for a receiver to make it through, like any

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Speaker 4: receiver is going to be a ground to make it

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Speaker 4: through because all the running that you're doing as a corner,

434
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Speaker 4: it's the same thing. It's going to be hard for

435
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Speaker 4: you to make it through because of all of the

436
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Speaker 4: running that you're doing. So to double that up and

437
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Speaker 4: say you're gonna play both positions, you're basically saying that

438
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Speaker 4: your injury expectancy doubles. It doubles, right, That's what you'd

439
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: got to sue. It can't be a hot take to

440
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Speaker 4: say if a guy is playing taking up two you're

441
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Speaker 4: basically taking up two roster spots. Like this again, I

442
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Speaker 4: said this earlier on. If the man were to play

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Speaker 4: two positions and to play them successfully, do you understand

444
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Speaker 4: what that means? To me? What that means is once

445
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Speaker 4: he gets to his contract year, you have to pay

446
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Speaker 4: him as a two way player. This is nothing like

447
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Speaker 4: to me, there's no reason to look at it and

448
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Speaker 4: not know what the intentions are in wanting to play

449
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Speaker 4: both ways. It's not just to be playing both ways.

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Speaker 4: You want to get paid as a two way player

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Speaker 4: when you go back to the table for your.

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Speaker 2: Second Contract's like when Jimmy Graham wanted to get paid

453
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Speaker 2: as a wide receiver and they're like you're a tight end.

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Speaker 4: He goes, look at how I line up. Majority of

455
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Speaker 4: the time I line up as a wider. This is

456
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Speaker 4: totally different, but I'm saying so it's so different. In fact,

457
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Speaker 4: it is unprecedented to understand the idea of I'm coming

458
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Speaker 4: to you. Look at what Justin Jefferson made as a

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Speaker 4: top receiver. So if I prove to you I'm a

460
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Speaker 4: top receiver, and then look at who's the top paid

461
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Speaker 4: cornerback in the league, it might be is it Stingley or.

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Speaker 2: Horn?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let's just say, okay, so I am one

464
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Speaker 4: of the top rated corners, grading out as high as

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Speaker 4: one of the top paid corners, and I'm a top

466
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Speaker 4: top rated receiver rate it out next to the top

467
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Speaker 4: rated receivers in the league, and I'm doing both successfully.

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Speaker 4: How are you going to pay him? How is that categorized?

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Speaker 4: Do you just oh, we're gonna pay like even his contract? Now?

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Speaker 4: How does he he? In theory he is deserving to

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Speaker 4: be paid for two roster spots if he's a true

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Speaker 4: two way player. Do you think he can hold up?

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Speaker 4: That's a lot. Again, I think it's a You've doubled

474
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Speaker 4: the odds of getting injured. Can he hold up? Yes,

475
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Speaker 4: for how long? That's probably gonna be the biggest question.

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Speaker 4: And he's not the biggest guy in the world, right,

477
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Speaker 4: but that could work in his favor. I mean, we're

478
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Speaker 4: not in the most physical of days for for football.

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Speaker 4: It's not I mean, am we're not. We're not. You're

480
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Speaker 4: not in a situation where if you do things the

481
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Speaker 4: right way, you make good business decisions out there on

482
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Speaker 4: the football field, that you can't pretty much stay unscathed physically.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying he won't hold up physically in terms

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Speaker 4: of getting hit. I'm saying can he hold up physically

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Speaker 4: the amount of running he's going to be doing. That's

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Speaker 4: a lot of right, And you would assume that they're

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Speaker 4: going to put Travis Hunter on established being a cover corner.

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Speaker 4: So chances are they're going to put Travis Hunter. If

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Speaker 4: he proves out of early stage that he's good enough

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Speaker 4: to do it, you're going to put him on the

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Speaker 4: number one receiver. So not only is he going I

492
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Speaker 4: don't know if he's running as a one or as

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Speaker 4: a two receiver, but if he's going both ways and

494
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Speaker 4: he's covering their number one receiver and he's their number

495
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Speaker 4: one or number two receiver, he's running a ton of routes.

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Speaker 4: He's doing a ton of covering of guys, running a

497
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Speaker 4: ton of routes. It's just how are you going to

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Speaker 4: manage his reps? How are you going to manage how

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Speaker 4: he practices? How are you going to manage all of

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Speaker 4: these things that were were a true two way player?

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Speaker 4: Because in the pros, even in college two way players

502
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Speaker 4: like it's where do you have the time? Like you're

503
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Speaker 4: going to have to split time because it's not like

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Speaker 4: high school where it's like you don't have enough players.

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Speaker 4: So generally, unless you're a big school, generally you have periods.

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Speaker 4: You have offensive side, you have defensive side, because you

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Speaker 4: got a lot of two way players like two ways.

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Speaker 4: Playing two ways isn't foreign to football players. If you

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Speaker 4: played high school football at a normal high school, if

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Speaker 4: you've gone to a big high school, that's different. There's

511
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Speaker 4: more likelihood you play one position or one side of

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Speaker 4: the ball. But for most people, you're not. It's not

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Speaker 4: foreign to you to play both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Even just looking at the depth chart for the Jaguars

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Speaker 2: and again all this stuff changes. We're not even a

516
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Speaker 2: training camp now, just seeing Travis Hunters as the wide

517
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Speaker 2: receiver opposite to Brian Thomas Junior and then listed now

518
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Speaker 2: the backup cornerback to Jerry and Jones, Like just even

519
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Speaker 2: seeing that makes this whole thing that much more fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm fascinated to see not only you know, as

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Speaker 2: Willie Colone mentioned, just the reaction, how he's going to

522
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Speaker 2: be approached, you know, by by other players who see

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Speaker 2: him out there, but also how are the Jaguars going

524
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Speaker 2: to pull this off? Because if you're if you're Liam Cohen,

525
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Speaker 2: now it becomes difficult to understand. All right, snap count wise,

526
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Speaker 2: he's not going to maybe want to come out of games,

527
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Speaker 2: but maybe you need to take him out for a

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Speaker 2: few snaps just because he's tired, but you know, he

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Speaker 2: wants to tell. And then you've got to consider once

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Speaker 2: you get past the eleventh, twelfth week of the season,

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Speaker 2: now it's you know where they taught was that that

532
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Speaker 2: rookie wall? After you get about that point, like now

533
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Speaker 2: you've got to worry about the back end of the

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Speaker 2: season and it's just him being a rookie.

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Speaker 4: I just the whole thing is fascinating to me because

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Speaker 4: we haven't seen him before I just think the most

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Speaker 4: fascinating part of it all is if he has success,

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Speaker 4: if he has great success playing both ways, success like

539
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Speaker 4: true two way player, his agency is going to have

540
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Speaker 4: to do the unthinkable and you're going to have to

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Speaker 4: negotiate a deal that pays him like he's two players.

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Speaker 4: There's no way around it. If that man is able

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Speaker 4: to be successful playing both ways, you cannot give him

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Speaker 4: a contract that's for a cornerback. When he's successful as

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Speaker 4: a cornerback and you can't give him a or he's

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Speaker 4: successful as a receiver and you can't give him he's

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Speaker 4: successful as a cornerback when he I'm mixing it up,

548
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Speaker 4: but you know what I'm trying to say. If he's

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Speaker 4: playing one side of the ball, you can't give him

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Speaker 4: a contract. Let me restate this, all right, This is

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Speaker 4: crazy because I'm confusing myself, but I'm not confused both

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Speaker 4: sides of the ball. He's successful. If he's successful, goes

553
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Speaker 4: back to getting the contract redone. You can't pay him

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Speaker 4: to just be a receiver when he's successful as a cornerback.

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Speaker 4: If he goes back to the table and he's had

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Speaker 4: successful on both sides of the ball, you can't just

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Speaker 4: pay him for being successful as a cornerback, because he's

558
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Speaker 4: been successful as a wide receiver. That's how I wanted

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Speaker 4: to get it out. And that is the biggest to me.

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Speaker 4: That will be the biggest storyline in all of football history.

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Speaker 4: It will be up there in the conversation of biggest,

562
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Speaker 4: biggest happenings in the league in the history of the game.

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Speaker 4: If he's able to be successful being a true, it

564
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Speaker 4: has to be true two way player.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I brought up the Jimmy Graham's story

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Speaker 2: because you know, the Saints here, it might have been

567
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Speaker 2: the Sea whoever was he was trying to argue it

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Speaker 2: for at that time, they wanted to pay him at

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Speaker 2: the position that was going to be cheaper, and so

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Speaker 2: you know they want listen, no, no, no, your tight end. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I line up as a wide receiver more no, no

572
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Speaker 2: of your tight end. If you're Travis Hunter and you're

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Speaker 2: negotiating at that point with the Jaguars, I mean, they're

574
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Speaker 2: gonna try and get the best deal.

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Speaker 4: Like this, even if they're playing him as a backup

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Speaker 4: corner and they have a starter, or they have him

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Speaker 4: as a starting corner and a backup receiver and he's

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Speaker 4: still producing, I would still demand that I get paid

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Speaker 4: whatever that wage is for that roster spot that I'm

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Speaker 4: you that I'm taking up when I go out there

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Speaker 4: on the field. If I'm getting the same amount of reps,

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Speaker 4: I want to be paid for getting the reps as

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Speaker 4: a player that goes into the game, whatever it is

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Speaker 4: that's required, what that costs. I want fear market value

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Speaker 4: for that. And if he's doing that in two different positions,

586
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Speaker 4: on two different sides of the ball, you gotta pay them. Like,

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00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: how do you not pay him? How do you not

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Speaker 4: do that deal? And what does that look like? How

589
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: do you justify one over the other? I don't you know.

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00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 4: I don't know. And to me, that is the most

591
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Speaker 4: intriguing aspect of all of this is if he's able

592
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Speaker 4: to pull it off, what the hell does the NFL

593
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Speaker 4: do if he proves he's elite at both? Is he

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Speaker 4: like AE hundred million dollar due guarantee? That'd be great.

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Speaker 4: I mean by that time we're talking to what three

596
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Speaker 4: four years from now, mean, who the hell knows. So

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Speaker 4: you're talking like you're going to be forty forty four cornerbacks,

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Speaker 4: maybe fifty fifty sixty four receivers. Travis, we'll give you

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Speaker 4: a hundred million. We gotta give you one hundred million.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we're not that far off from somebody

601
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Speaker 2: making one hundred million in a season.

602
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Speaker 4: Like we're telling what ad we ten maybe ten twelve

603
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Speaker 4: years away. It's two I mean, there's no way around.

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00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 4: It's two roster spots. There's two roster spots. He's taken

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Speaker 4: up if he's a true two way player.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

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Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am East, three am Pacific.

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Speaker 2: It has been a wild show here through the first

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Speaker 2: two hours as we celebrate the birthday of the one

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Speaker 2: and only LeVar Arrington.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Thanks, it's a shooting gallery here in the studio.

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Speaker 4: Good morning everyone, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: But yes, it's been a it's been a fun and

615
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Speaker 2: vibrant show here through the first couple of hours. We

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Speaker 2: even talked about a potential gambling scandal in the NBA, uh,

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Speaker 2: the one with Malik Beasley who apparently is under investigation.

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Speaker 2: This according to we'll go ahead and reset this because

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Speaker 2: there's been further evidence that has come out here, which

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Speaker 2: is what we kind of speculated on. But according to

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Speaker 2: Sham Shrani at ESPN, the US District's Attorney's office is

622
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Speaker 2: investigating the Pistons Guard on allegations of gambling related to

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Speaker 2: NBA games and prop bets from the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: to twenty twenty four season when he played for the Bucks.

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Speaker 4: They've looked into this.

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Speaker 2: According to there's one prominent US sportsbook that detected unusually

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Speaker 2: heavy betting interest on Beasley's stats beginning around January twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. A gambling industry source told ESPN's David Purdam. Now,

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Speaker 2: they pointed to a game on January thirty first of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four in which a lot of money came

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Speaker 2: in on the under of two and a half rebounds

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Speaker 2: from the league Beasley, and it skewed the line. The

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Speaker 2: under didn't hit. All those bets lost, so the over

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Speaker 2: actually hit in the second quarter. So you look at that,

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Speaker 2: and you and I were kind of speculating, there's got

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Speaker 2: to be more to this, because this is not enough

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Speaker 2: for me to go, Okay, well, we got this is

638
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: a big to do and the NBA needs to step

639
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: in and do something. But the fact that this story

640
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: came out, we wondered was there more to it? And

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Speaker 2: people have started going down the rabbit hole and finding

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00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: video clips of Malik Beasley, and there's one in particular

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Speaker 2: where there's a rebound he picks up off a free throw.

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Speaker 2: The Bucks are down by nine, and he gets the

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Speaker 2: rebound in a game that's over, the clock is winding

646
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: down and goes coast to coast and dunks it with

647
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: no time remaining, And the points spread was eight and

648
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: a half, and so you're looking at that going hmm,

649
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: did he have his team plus eight and a half

650
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: And that's why he took the ball and went coast

651
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: to coast when nobody would ever do that. Nobody would

652
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: ever eight and a half. And they won by eight. Well, no,

653
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: they won by seven. Oh, they won best so that

654
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: they hit the under. Yeah, so the lead bet on

655
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: hitting the under.

656
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 4: The lead was nine. He got the reound, Okay, got you,

657
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 4: got you, gotcha, and so got you. But but this

658
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: is this is what I'm wondering, because the rebound prop

659
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: bet that this sort of soft tossed to us isn't

660
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: enough for me to freak out about it. But stuff

661
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 4: like that would be if it's impacting the games, and

662
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 4: it's impacting the outcome of the games as it applies

663
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: to the total hold the teams, that's different. That's different.

664
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 4: I mean, the rules are the rules. If he's breaking

665
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: the rules and he's betting on himself and and he's

666
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: trying to hit the overs and unders on how many

667
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 4: rebounds and assists that he gets, then punish him and

668
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 4: keep it moving. But if he is altering games and

669
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 4: in a way where it impacts the reputation of yeah,

670
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 4: he's pushing that ball down and the game is over.

671
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 4: He pushed this, Yeah, you should have walked it up

672
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 4: and gave it to the referee, But he pushed it

673
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 4: coast to coast. And I stand that was when he

674
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: was with the Timberwolves, not the Timberwolves. Yeah, I just

675
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: you know, I don't think there's any room for for that.

676
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 4: If you're if you're impacting game in a manner that

677
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 4: that destroys the integrity of what the game represents, that

678
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: has to be addressed.

679
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: It's just it's either that or NBA fans just aren't

680
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: used to seeing players give effort all game, and so

681
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: they're not used to give effort on the very final

682
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: play of the game place and you got the game

683
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: one place till the last.

684
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 4: You're going to lose the game. You're down what you're

685
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: down by two? Yeah, you're still losing. Yeah, but you

686
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 4: lost by under the spread, right, You're still going to lose.

687
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 4: But that's why I just think there's more to this.

688
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: I I don't I don't buy the whole This was

689
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: a nice, a nice little soft toss by the NBA

690
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: to report that, oh what was for a prop bet

691
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: on rebounds?

692
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: Okay? But why was Why is there an investigation into it?

693
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: Right?

694
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: Like an investigation into this? Why is his attorney already

695
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: giving a statement afterwards? I mean we're talking like this

696
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: is the USDA's office that's investigating this. You've got, you know,

697
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: a US sports book and at least one of them.

698
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: This is multiple sources on ESPN talking to both of

699
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: those entities. You've got his attorney coming out with a statement.

700
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: All of this on the brink of free agency when

701
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: he was expected to sign a new free agent deal.

702
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: And I just I think what the NBA did and

703
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: what ESPN did is they threw out and it's you know,

704
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: just wanted everybody to know they're investigating this. It's a

705
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: prop bet because I think that there's more to this,

706
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: and I think there's more coming to this story.

707
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: And when you say more egregious from him or from

708
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: others from him, like and like not passing the ball

709
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 4: to a guy so that they don't get the stat

710
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: line that they deserved. Like when you say more egregious,

711
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 4: what do you mean? Well, is he putting icy hot

712
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 4: in somebody's jockstrap and they can't play in the game now?

713
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: So Johntay Porter, when he got popped. Amongst the details

714
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: on his violations and when people really caught wind of

715
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: him doing some funny stuff is when their money came in.

716
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 2: I believe there might have even been text exchanges where

717
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: he bet on or a lot of money came in

718
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: on the under of him shooting threes or point totals

719
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: or something along those lines. He checked into a game

720
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: and then checked out shortly afterwards, complaining of an eye injury.

721
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: Well guess what he played? Those bets count and that

722
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: those bets hit like that that's a smoking gun. Yeah this,

723
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: well you listen, he bet you know, a lot of

724
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: money came in on under two and a half rebounds

725
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: and those bets didn't hit. So what's I mean, what

726
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: you know? But at least he's being investigated. I wonder

727
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: if this is also the NBA maybe using him as

728
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: a scapegoat. He's about to sign a big money deal

729
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: in free agency that's about to happen. I wonder if

730
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: this is the NBA saying, hey, this guy's already had

731
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 2: a run in before. He got suspended like eleven twelve

732
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: games a couple of years ago for a guns charge,

733
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: and this has already been an issue with him before,

734
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 2: and now we've got gambling allegations. Just so everybody knows

735
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: this guy was on the brink of free agency about

736
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: to get a big money deal, maybe the NBAS make

737
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: an example of him and letting the rest of the

738
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: league know, in so many words, if anybody else is

739
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: doing this, cut the crap now, because this is going

740
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: to cost him a ton of money and the rest

741
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: of his career. So if anybody else is doing this,

742
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: cut the crap now. And I wonder if Maligue Beasley

743
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: is being is being the scapegoat here and the example

744
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: of the NBA letting their players know, hey, friendly reminder,

745
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: this can cost you everything, Like it's about to cost

746
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: this guy.

747
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: If you need this type of reminder at this point

748
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 4: in your career, it's already too late. You're not going

749
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: to be He's you know, Beasley's not going to be

750
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: a deterrent to those who can't control themselves at this

751
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: point in their life. So if you're trying to make

752
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: him an example, good luck with that. Those who are

753
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 4: going to mess up are going to mess up, and

754
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: you know, you can make this as harsh a penalty

755
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 4: as you want to make it. Again, Now, if that's

756
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: Lebron James, that's different. That's different. If it's if it's

757
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: a big name player. See when you spank a little player,

758
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, he shouldn't have got caught, But that

759
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 4: hasn't got anything to do with me. I'm gonna just

760
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 4: keep doing me. But when you get somebody of influence, like,

761
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 4: how many times have we seen somebody get popped of influence,

762
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 4: like of real stature and status get popped for any

763
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: of these types of accusations. Pete Rose, Okay, how long

764
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: ago is that we have we had anybody recently in

765
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: the NBA, any big name athletes in the NBA, I

766
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: mean major brand athletes like the all right, Shoha Tani

767
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: in baseball, but that was his interpreterpreter. That's not even

768
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: And you see how polarizing and how much that gripped

769
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 4: sport News when it was just the translator. Now imagine

770
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: if it came out that it was him. That's different. Oh,

771
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: shoe a Atani gets suspended for a year, that's different.

772
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: To ask you this, if this was Lebron James. Calvin

773
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 4: Ridley is a pretty decent one.

774
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, if it was Lebron James,

775
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: you think we'd ever find out about it?

776
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. It can't because it would. It would

777
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: destroy it would destroy the credibility of what goes on

778
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 4: in the NBA. It would it would destroy the reputation

779
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: of the NBA. And that's that's why to me, every

780
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 4: single time these types of stories surface and they pop up,

781
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 4: it's like, for what, you're not popping James Harden, You're

782
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 4: not You're not popping Anthony Edwards. You're not popping any

783
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 4: of those guys. Pop a guy that that if you

784
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: have to sit him out for a year, it really

785
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 4: did impact that team and it really did impact the league.

786
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: That's how you set an example.

787
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: Well, but I do think, and we were mentioning this earlier,

788
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: at this point, if they can't help themselves, it's like

789
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 2: he can't get right, right, I mean, wouldn't you? Isn't

790
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: that what you call it?

791
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 8: It?

792
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: Right?

793
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: So he's a guy who And that's why if people

794
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: want to claim that this is the issue, as we

795
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, when you welcome gambling into the NBA, Dude,

796
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: just because you welcome them in a sponsors doesn't mean

797
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: you have to partake in the gambling of your own games.

798
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's.

799
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: Not how it works. That's why I made the example.

800
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: Like everybody's got a kitchen with knives in it, you

801
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: don't use it on a relative. Like you have a

802
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: choice in this. He's got a choice, and he chose

803
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: to potentially ruin his career by betting on himself in

804
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: games or against himself whatever. So like I just I

805
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: look at this story and I go, there's got to

806
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: be more to it. You can't have me, you know,

807
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: get caught up in this and freak out about an

808
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: over under rebound total that didn't even hit by the

809
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: second quarter and lost all the money that came in

810
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: on it without there being more to the story. And

811
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: now people are starting to look back at the at

812
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: the course of his career and going, well, he didn't

813
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: hustle here. He hustled a little bit too much there.

814
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: He did a little bit too much of this hm,

815
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: He's already had off the court issues before. Yeah, maybe

816
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: there is something here and I just think.

817
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 4: That the NBA. But again, what end to what end?

818
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be more than if it connects,

819
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: If it connects to a bigger a bigger, bigger issue,

820
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 4: I get it. If it does not connect, if it

821
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 4: just starts and ends with this young man, But what

822
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 4: is the old Like, Okay, he he was betting on himself,

823
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 4: he got caught. What makes it any more of a

824
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 4: story than that, you know what I mean?

825
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: Like?

826
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 4: What's his relevant to what's going on with the NBA?

827
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: And like, well, we'll call out referees and say, okay,

828
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: we get and understand the magnitude of if a referee

829
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 4: or a group of referees are are interfering in a

830
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 4: way where it dictates the outcome of a game. I

831
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: get that, right, we get that. What is the what

832
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: for Beasley to be in this situation? What is what's

833
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 4: the ultimate end? What's the storyline here that makes Malik

834
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 4: Beasley relevant in this scenario.

835
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 2: Because he's about to sign a big money deal and

836
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: on the brink of free agency, this story comes out.

837
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: I don't think it's coincidental. I think it's this is

838
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: a friendly reminder, don't mess around. It's going to cost

839
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: this guy millions of dollars and it's going to cost

840
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: him his career potentially because he wanted to, you know,

841
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: fart around and do prop bets or you know, potentially

842
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: get involved in gambling on his own.

843
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: Games like that. That's that's what I think. I don't

844
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 4: think that that's for the public determination though, that's a

845
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: that's within the league determination, right, Like, oh like for

846
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: all the players that aren't major brand players, if if

847
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 4: you're planning on getting a good contract or being in

848
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 4: the good graces of the league, don't here's one place

849
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: you just don't the waters you don't get into. That's

850
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 4: more internal.

851
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it's a it's sort of a

852
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: flare gun into the sky for NBA players, Like, Hey,

853
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: this is an issue, and I think the NBA probably

854
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: knows that there's more of this that goes on like

855
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: they don't have enough hard evidence, but I'm sure they're

856
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: probably aware that. Yeah, maybe this is how this would work.

857
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: If you were an NBA player and somebody came to

858
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 2: you and said, hey, are you playing in this game? Yeah,

859
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: I'll be playing in this game. All right, here's X

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Speaker 2: amount of dollars, don't know, miss a couple more threes.

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Speaker 4: Than you normally would, which is stupid, no problem, Like

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Speaker 4: why is it no problem? But you but you can't.

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Speaker 4: But you can. It's just that simple though, Like you

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Speaker 4: can impact games that directly. But what I'm saying is, again,

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Speaker 4: if you're making what you're making as a player, why

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Speaker 4: would you like, you've got to be one silly, stupid

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Speaker 4: mother effort. I agree to go down that road just

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Speaker 4: based off of the minimum wage of what you're making

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Speaker 4: a great like that, And that's so dumb. You can't

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Speaker 4: get it right. So you can't get right. You can't

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Speaker 4: get right. And I just and and and let nature

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Speaker 4: take its course, like get your ass up out of here.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, but the NBA has got another, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, another potential scandal on its hand. So which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I think this stuff is fascinating. I

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Speaker 2: welcome it at all cost, whatever it takes. Give us something,

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Speaker 2: give us some more of this. I'd rather talk talk

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Speaker 2: about this in his actual free agency Malik Beasley, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, thank you, Malik Beasley for giving us a topic,

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Speaker 4: because it is that time of the year where you

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Speaker 4: got to figure out ways to entertain the grateful listeners

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Speaker 4: and the butt head ungrateful listeners that are out there

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Speaker 4: as well. So there you go. You gotta have some

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Speaker 4: type of headline or some type of news to talk

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Speaker 4: about during these dog days of summer.