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Speaker 1: welcome back, David. We just stop and consider the fact
Speaker 1: that we're doing a draft show. Yeah, week seven, by way,
Speaker 1: I think it's awesome. It's amazing. I think it is awesome.
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Speaker 1: young draft minds in the nation. Loving these digs. How
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Speaker 1: why this is a pretty impressive place. I'll also joined
Speaker 1: here by no other than one oh five three Zone
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh. Yeah, a man who I look to argue
Speaker 1: with every day about players. He comes up and watches studies.
Speaker 1: Nice to have you here. Jeffrey Brian likes to cheat,
Speaker 1: cheat anytime he's losing. He points at a super Bowl
Speaker 1: football and says, hey, what about it? Yeah, twenty year
Speaker 1: old super Bowl football. Yeah, you know it's okay. It's
Speaker 1: the ring. That's all that matters. You do have the
Speaker 1: Draft show. KNT Garrison, executive producer, with us today as always,
Speaker 1: can't thank you for putting all this together. You guys.
Speaker 1: Good to be back. Yes, I want to get into
Speaker 1: this right off the bat. And when we start talking
Speaker 1: about the draft, it looks like that through six weeks
Speaker 1: of this NFL season, and we are a Dallas cowboy
Speaker 1: based show, but we like to talk about everything. We'd
Speaker 1: like to tell you how. We like to investigate and educate,
Speaker 1: so we're going to do both today. But I want
Speaker 1: to focus in on six weeks through this season, and
Speaker 1: let's all harken back to those three days that we
Speaker 1: were sitting at the Old Valley Ranch talking about this
Speaker 1: draft and talking about what direction this football team might
Speaker 1: be going, and talk about though how we all thought differently.
Speaker 1: You know, we had an idea about some of these players. Well,
Speaker 1: I think most of the players, but the ones that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys I want to focus as we start this show,
Speaker 1: I want to focus on the ones that the Cowboys selected.
Speaker 1: And I want to go back, like I said, and
Speaker 1: talk about to the thoughts that we had and now
Speaker 1: what you know, and it's a six game sample, you
Speaker 1: know it is. I mean, we're not going to sit
Speaker 1: there an act like that. You know, like Bill ourselves
Speaker 1: would say, you know, get the jackets out, get the
Speaker 1: yellow jackets out. Yet you know, Kent, well, let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about these kids. Let's talk about what these kids
Speaker 1: have done for this football team and how they've and
Speaker 1: how they've used them. And I think you have to,
Speaker 1: of course start and I don't know, I mean you
Speaker 1: could start starting. I was gonna start with Ezeki Elliott,
Speaker 1: but then you can kind of talk about, Hey, what
Speaker 1: about Dak Prescott, what was he able to do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's talk about what we thought. I'll go ahead,
Speaker 1: and I'll start with I'll go with Elliott. I think
Speaker 1: you have to start. Yeah, Okay, when we were when
Speaker 1: we were talking about Ezeki Elliott, are we seeing are
Speaker 1: we seeing the things, the traits, the characteristics of a
Speaker 1: player that we saw there at Ohio State that some
Speaker 1: of us, some of us thought, you know, hey would
Speaker 1: be worthy of the top four pick. Some people said hey,
Speaker 1: maybe defense and maybe not everybody in this room, but
Speaker 1: there was a lot of discussion about that was the
Speaker 1: fourth overall player worth it to take at running back?
Speaker 1: And has he changed your mind about that? I'm gonna Dan,
Speaker 1: you're the tape watcher. I always try to defer to you,
Speaker 1: but just think back when when did we first start
Speaker 1: talking about Zeke? Like probably February, like really as a
Speaker 1: serious Yeah, And from February on we talked about what
Speaker 1: Zeke could do. Everything he was good at. He's the
Speaker 1: most complete player with the fewest amount of weaknesses in
Speaker 1: that draft, the fewest amount of question marks. We're wrong
Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff, and we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: some stuff that we were wrong about, but I'll get
Speaker 1: to that. Oh, yeah, you have watched what we said
Speaker 1: about this guy play out in blueprint fashion. It has
Speaker 1: looked exactly like your wildest hopes could have looked. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, there were hiccups the New York game. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a great start for him, but over this five
Speaker 1: game winning streak, he has looked every bit the beast
Speaker 1: that we thought he would be when they took him
Speaker 1: in the Jeff Kavanaugh complete back. Oh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we knew that and I was probably I was
Speaker 1: on team. I wouldn't have taken running back at four.
Speaker 1: I think you wouldn't have taken a running back. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to. I didn't want to throw you two
Speaker 1: under the bus. I remember the conversation, why why why
Speaker 1: would you not want to? Now what's different? Now, go
Speaker 1: ahead and throw people as what we do. That's fine,
Speaker 1: I mean, I wait, I just want to make sure
Speaker 1: that we remember where we were at on this journey. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: and you know what, he's been great. He's absolutely been
Speaker 1: worth it. Uh, that wasn't They had picks where I
Speaker 1: looked at it and I was like, man that I
Speaker 1: don't think that was a good pick. And Zeke wasn't.
Speaker 1: Zeke Yes, second round, Zeke wasn't want to on that
Speaker 1: second round fourth round. But ze Zeke wasn't one of those.
Speaker 1: It was just one of those where I was like,
Speaker 1: the first clarify of that statement, I'm sorry the first one. Okay, ye,
Speaker 1: that later Confederatory right story pick was great, No, but
Speaker 1: with Zeke like it. It was one of those things
Speaker 1: where they picked him and I said, I get it.
Speaker 1: I get you want to maximize what your line does.
Speaker 1: You just you want to dominate. I get it. I
Speaker 1: would have been a Jalen Ramsey guy at this point.
Speaker 1: Would I flip it? It's tempting watching what Zeke's gonna
Speaker 1: Dez isn't crazy. Zeke might go for two thousand yards.
Speaker 1: I think he will, honestly, unless he gets hurt. And
Speaker 1: you know, watching him block, watching him, it's things that
Speaker 1: we knew he could do. But to watch him actually
Speaker 1: put it on the field and being over five yard
Speaker 1: per carry back and to be that well around him,
Speaker 1: to be the focal point of a five and one team,
Speaker 1: it's pretty darn impressive. And I was with Jeff at first,
Speaker 1: and I think as we went along and the thought
Speaker 1: of Zeke behind this offensive line, the thought of Zeke
Speaker 1: with this offense, of what he could do, you know,
Speaker 1: the thought of that just you became more okay with
Speaker 1: taking running back top five because absolutely I was just
Speaker 1: thinking the same way. The value is the value there,
Speaker 1: especially with this teams their needs on defense. Different directions.
Speaker 1: They could go, you're gonna really gonna take a running back?
Speaker 1: Not your biggest need. You could argue running back wasn't
Speaker 1: their top five needs. Are you really gonna take a
Speaker 1: running back top five? But as we went along closer
Speaker 1: we got to April in the draft, I was on board,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's looking like a heck of a pick.
Speaker 1: You could look at it now to get to ahead
Speaker 1: of ourselves with Dac Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott. You can
Speaker 1: make the argument they got two of the top five
Speaker 1: players in this draft. So if you're okay, now that's
Speaker 1: the thought, well, you go ahead ahead, you got something.
Speaker 1: I'm just and there was a good case to be
Speaker 1: made for Jalen Ramsey by the time we got to
Speaker 1: draft week. We had a good idea it would be
Speaker 1: one of those two guys, and we know that was
Speaker 1: the other guy they were thinking about sitting there at
Speaker 1: number four. Jalen Ramsey's been pretty good, has he not.
Speaker 1: He's been a good well eighteen tackles. Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1: He a difference maker and what between whether this team
Speaker 1: is five and one or not doing as well in
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey while he's playing well, I don't think you're
Speaker 1: seeing that reflected in the win loss record exactly. Where
Speaker 1: with Ze exactly. I think you were absolutely right when
Speaker 1: you said he had the fewest weaknesses, and I think
Speaker 1: you know he is the complete complete back. It's just
Speaker 1: tough to find holes in his game from running, the
Speaker 1: blocking and receiving. It's all there. And hey, somebody said
Speaker 1: this the other day. I'm one of the coaches. You know.
Speaker 1: You can have a decision, work out, or you can
Speaker 1: do something, and just because you were wrong doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it was the right call, or just because you're right
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's the right call. I'm what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is doing a bad job or calculating it.
Speaker 1: I still don't most confusing. It was confusing. I apologize,
Speaker 1: Let me try again. I still don't think it's a
Speaker 1: great call to take a running back in the top five,
Speaker 1: just in terms of black and white draft logic, in
Speaker 1: terms of what you're getting in value bank for your buck,
Speaker 1: I still don't think that's that smart of a call.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be there's gonna be a line of them
Speaker 1: coming up this draft. Well, but do you think things
Speaker 1: are gonna change now in people's mind out thing. I
Speaker 1: still don't think it's a great call. But for this
Speaker 1: team with these needs, with this personnel on hand, it
Speaker 1: were and the players that were available, you know, best
Speaker 1: pass rushers off the board, not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: great pass rushers available, things like that, it worked out
Speaker 1: perfectly for them. And I wonder how that changes people's
Speaker 1: attitudes going forward, because, like I said, I still have
Speaker 1: the same attitude about drafting and running back high as
Speaker 1: I did then. It just worked out perfectly for this club,
Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting. I think you alluded to it
Speaker 1: with this draft class. Yeah, and that might be a
Speaker 1: reason not to take a running back early because it
Speaker 1: is so stacked or it will be as soon as
Speaker 1: all these underclassmen. I mean, there might be ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen underclassmen running backs who have a chance to be
Speaker 1: drafted in the top two two and a half rounds.
Speaker 1: And that's how loaded this running back class could be.
Speaker 1: So if you have a chance to get one of
Speaker 1: those guys, why are you wasting the top ten pick
Speaker 1: where you know, I don't think there's a Zeke in
Speaker 1: this draft. I really don't. Okay, that's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask you. That was gonna be my question about
Speaker 1: running back and and and we'll make this quick if
Speaker 1: is there a running back that is similar to him?
Speaker 1: And would you or there running backs that are better?
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeffrey, you watch a lot of the college
Speaker 1: football stuff. I mean, we haven't got into our total
Speaker 1: film study, but is there is there a running back?
Speaker 1: I mean, is the kid at Florida State? Is he?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, is he He's the top back?
Speaker 1: I think what makes it different with Zeke? And we
Speaker 1: talked about this, compared Zeke to any class who want
Speaker 1: to compare him too. It's just it's the well roundedness.
Speaker 1: Like you can find guys that can run. Leonard Fournette
Speaker 1: can run, Dalvin Cook can run. There's guys that can
Speaker 1: run that are gonna be coming out. Dalvin Cook can pass.
Speaker 1: Pro he ate Zeke. No, he can catch, but Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournette He's not going to catch the ball like Zeke.
Speaker 1: Zeke is a really special sort of package because you're
Speaker 1: not talking about a power back but he's powerful. We're
Speaker 1: not talking about a quickness, shifty back, but he's shifting.
Speaker 1: Will people use the argument then that whoa wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this guy is Cowboys had some success. Our team's gonna
Speaker 1: fall on a trap with that, and they'll be able
Speaker 1: to block. That's dependent. That plays into my point is
Speaker 1: that it worked out amazingly for the Cowboys to draft Zeke.
Speaker 1: But if if somebody takes Dalvin Cook in the top
Speaker 1: ten and they don't have the personnel around him to
Speaker 1: make him successful, it's not gonna work out. Hodd Girle's
Speaker 1: doing nothing in Saint Louis right now in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That can't block I don't see
Speaker 1: at this point. Sorry Saint Louis. I don't see an
Speaker 1: offensive line though, isn't it really Yeah, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's why it's tough to take a running
Speaker 1: back that high because he's dependent. Zeke's not doing this
Speaker 1: if you don't have those five guys up front. No,
Speaker 1: but doing He's also leading the league and yards out
Speaker 1: of contact, so he is, you know, showing how special
Speaker 1: he is. And I really don't think we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a running back in this upcoming class that will have
Speaker 1: as high of a grade as Zeke or Gurley the
Speaker 1: last two years. So you know, will we see four
Speaker 1: net or Dalvin Coco top ten? It definitely possible, depending
Speaker 1: on how the draft order plays out. But in terms
Speaker 1: of overall draft grade and impact, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: any of these guys are gonna be on the same
Speaker 1: level as Zeke or Girly for that matter. I just
Speaker 1: think it was it was a perfect storm that this
Speaker 1: guy was the right guy to take it for and
Speaker 1: it and credit to the Cowboys they recognize that. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's great draft strategy to take a
Speaker 1: running back that high, but they knew in this situation
Speaker 1: with the team they have on hand that it would
Speaker 1: work out great. Gonna move past pick two thirty four,
Speaker 1: which is Jalen Smith. Gonna move past that one. You
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about, Well, no, you don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about Jalen. Well, I'll tell you what it
Speaker 1: affects what they do in this next draft, if in
Speaker 1: fact all depends. I just feel like though that we
Speaker 1: understand where he's at. That was a medical risk that
Speaker 1: they took. On draft day, we all talked about him.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, hopefully for them. I mean, this class
Speaker 1: could be incredible if Jaylen Smith in fact gets healthy
Speaker 1: and plays to even the level that we've seen him play.
Speaker 1: And I mean that would be they stole one there
Speaker 1: if that's but I think that's talk for another day.
Speaker 1: We all, I think everybody had their say. I will
Speaker 1: say this is that I was thinking about this when
Speaker 1: we were preparing to do this show. Depending on Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: linebacker is either one of your biggest needs or your
Speaker 1: biggest strong points going into the next draft. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: need to figure that out before the draft rules are out.
Speaker 1: And honestly, yeah, I'll move on from that because I
Speaker 1: think everybody's pretty much documented what they thought. I mean,
Speaker 1: there might be some folks new for the draft show.
Speaker 1: I was not a fan of the pick myself. You
Speaker 1: can go back and listen to hours and hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was a very
Speaker 1: questionable pick. But the fact that the owner is the
Speaker 1: general manager, he can make that call. Brian brought us
Speaker 1: sit in Tampa Bay with his you know, think about
Speaker 1: how he's gonna pay for his lake house for retirement.
Speaker 1: Can't make that call one to be fair, you know,
Speaker 1: the rule of thumb is three years out before we
Speaker 1: truly judge these rookies, right, so you know we'll get
Speaker 1: talking about yeah, yeah, exactly. It's we're just here talking
Speaker 1: about these players. It's never too early with the skill
Speaker 1: sets that we've seen. But with Smith, you know, just
Speaker 1: wait and see. It's totally what to wait and see.
Speaker 1: Is MALIEK. Collins? He would be your pick three sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Talk about what you see. MALIEK. Collins a starter? Now
Speaker 1: playing is a playing? Is the one plays the three?
Speaker 1: Do you felt like, you know, he's a guy that
Speaker 1: has come in has given him a little bit. Like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, he's I remember him at Nebraska
Speaker 1: being really good in the twist game, active high school wrestler.
Speaker 1: What about MALIEK. Collins? So, Jeff, you followed football team
Speaker 1: every day. I think MALIEK. Collins fits in with sort
Speaker 1: of a theme of this football team, which is Tony
Speaker 1: Romo makes a lot of money and you haven't. He
Speaker 1: hasn't really helped you this year where you're going. Des
Speaker 1: Bryant makes a lot of money, he's been hurt. Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford makes a lot of money. Other people who've been
Speaker 1: getting a lot of his snaps, he's been getting moved around.
Speaker 1: This team has done a great job of getting guys
Speaker 1: that aren't making a bunch of money that are making
Speaker 1: a lot of plays for the football team, I think,
Speaker 1: and I think the defensive tackle group is at the very,
Speaker 1: very very top of it. Joe McClain and MALIEK. Collins, Like,
Speaker 1: that's your best combination at defensive tackle. Once a third
Speaker 1: round rookie that was hurt in camp. One's a guy
Speaker 1: who's never been healthy. Yeah, and those two guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: and they're doing better than a four year, seventeen million
Speaker 1: dollar free agent and a five year, forty five million
Speaker 1: dollar extension. Yeah. And you know, but you look around
Speaker 1: the league and sometimes the deals you signed turn out great.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they don't. But I do think it's a credit
Speaker 1: to finding the guys that don't make a lot that
Speaker 1: are making your football team be five and one, And MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins is one of them. Just for point of reference,
Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboy draft board, MALIEK. Collins was their
Speaker 1: number one player in the top of the third round.
Speaker 1: So where they took him at three sixty seven, that
Speaker 1: would be right, that's they they're falling their board right there.
Speaker 1: That's the He was the number one player on their
Speaker 1: board in the third round, and he fits Rod Bernelli
Speaker 1: to a team he does. Okay, where where'd you have him?
Speaker 1: Did you thought I think we had him? I think, Jeff,
Speaker 1: do we I've got the board hole. I think we
Speaker 1: had him in the third round? Our guy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had him late third round, So I thought sixty seven
Speaker 1: was a little early for him and not a rich
Speaker 1: not a huge reach at all by any means. Right,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought there were better players on the board.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think he's played okay to this point, Jeff,
Speaker 1: do you have that in front of Yeah? Third, third round? Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the next one. I want to talk about defensive
Speaker 1: end at four one oh one, that'd be Charles Tapper.
Speaker 1: For point of reference, though, they had him as the
Speaker 1: their sixth best player on the on the board in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. And actually they're gonna get to a
Speaker 1: player that they had higher than him. But we'll get
Speaker 1: to that guy here in a little bit later. What
Speaker 1: about on defense? Where was he on defense? He would
Speaker 1: be They had Jones, Cyrus Jones, Drake was on I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had Jones Drake Connor McGovern, Farrell Cooper Farrell Cooper receiver,
Speaker 1: and then Anthony Brown and Charles Tapper. Okay, so hey
Speaker 1: they still they still had third rounders available at that point.
Speaker 1: That was the question. Ronald Blair, Right, Ronald Blair was
Speaker 1: a guy. And see that's what's amazing to me is
Speaker 1: when you look, I mean you look at Ronald Blair
Speaker 1: was on the board and that surprised me with that
Speaker 1: was the pick that I went hmmm M And then
Speaker 1: all of son, I see, oh wait, Ronald Blair was
Speaker 1: on the board and they have him in the third round.
Speaker 1: And you're sitting there going, wait a minute, how well
Speaker 1: who why did they jump? Why did they jump Ronald
Speaker 1: Blair with Charles Tapper? Maybe they thought Blair was an
Speaker 1: inside guy and they thought they'd kind of address that
Speaker 1: third round on the board. Yeah, but either way, like
Speaker 1: Ronald Blair was a defensive they had they had a MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins as a defensive tackle all the way, right, But
Speaker 1: what did they see Blair as a defensive end? Okay, then,
Speaker 1: I mean I thought he was a better player anyway,
Speaker 1: Now that I agree, the Tapper thing is not it's
Speaker 1: really it's not like it's anybody's fault. It's a medical
Speaker 1: thing that everyone missed at the combine. Because that's a
Speaker 1: surprising thing that they cannot. They cannot MRI every single
Speaker 1: player combine. That's that's the problem. I thought that was
Speaker 1: the whole point of the combine. Oh, they cannot if
Speaker 1: you haven't existing injury. The whole point of the combine
Speaker 1: is that you're supposed to get checked out. That's why
Speaker 1: they do it across the street from a hospital. I mean,
Speaker 1: that is the main reason it is in Indianapolis, because
Speaker 1: they do have the medical equipment to do as many
Speaker 1: guys as they do, but obviously all three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty can't get the same evaluation. Yeah, and so for
Speaker 1: a guy like Tapper, who he didn't miss a game
Speaker 1: in the last three years at Oklahoma. So right, like,
Speaker 1: why would you get an MRI if you don't think
Speaker 1: any Right? I mean, these in these colleges with all
Speaker 1: the with the hippo laws and all that, they're not
Speaker 1: give any information like they did in nineteen ninety two
Speaker 1: when I went rolling through schools. They're not very they're
Speaker 1: not three play did you play it fast and loose
Speaker 1: a little bit? Right? When you went to the school, like, hey,
Speaker 1: come on tell him, Oh no, absolutely, school visits used
Speaker 1: to be really really cool. Now it's kind of like, hey,
Speaker 1: we ain't telling you crap down. So with with Tapper, though,
Speaker 1: I do think that is a way thing we see. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a waiting stage, and that's disappointing in my In
Speaker 1: my mind, it is a little disappointing. And again, I
Speaker 1: know he has the precondition all that stuff, but they
Speaker 1: sure could use a defensive end in this rotation. It
Speaker 1: may be a little bit unfair to do this because
Speaker 1: he's been hurt and it's not about his play. But
Speaker 1: I felt like when they picked Tapper, I've seen this
Speaker 1: pick before. You picked Ryan Russell. Yeah, the guy who
Speaker 1: was in a three four that you looked at him
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, he measures well and I think
Speaker 1: he could be a good four three end And so
Speaker 1: for me, I didn't think they picked the best player there.
Speaker 1: I think it was one of those things where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will do this project, get a guy they'll get
Speaker 1: two rounds later and be like, man, where could there
Speaker 1: be a home run? Instead of picking the best player,
Speaker 1: Ronald Blair was a better football player, which Charles Tapper
Speaker 1: had a great forty time and it's like, man, what
Speaker 1: could he do coming off the edge. Maybe he'll do
Speaker 1: something great And one on one feels way too early
Speaker 1: for me to be doing stuff like that. What did
Speaker 1: you think about Tapper? I'm trying to remember. I liked him.
Speaker 1: He was in my top one hundred. I think he
Speaker 1: was like number ninety six, ninety So you're okay with
Speaker 1: the pick when it happened, I was. Again, durability was
Speaker 1: not a question with Charles Tapper. You know again he
Speaker 1: was playing a little bit out of position in at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: He was in that frog stance two gap didn't really
Speaker 1: it didn't fit into four three like that defensive end
Speaker 1: with a quick all. The thing was, I think that's
Speaker 1: forty times in the four five four five was right.
Speaker 1: He was really good. He was misused at Oklahoma, and
Speaker 1: so Cowboys saw that and said, okay, he can you know,
Speaker 1: he can play end for us, but we just haven't
Speaker 1: had a chance to see it yet. Pick four one
Speaker 1: thirty five. Here's the kicker right here, boys, we got
Speaker 1: we drafted a kicker, Daig one big. This is this
Speaker 1: is why, this is the thing right here that will
Speaker 1: get you a contract extension. If you can pull this
Speaker 1: one off. Yeah, Dak Prescott, credit to this organization. Oh
Speaker 1: here we go, rain, but there you go. Raise your
Speaker 1: hand if at the time you said, great pick, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott was the number quarterback number what can everybody? No,
Speaker 1: no said, Let me let me tell you what they
Speaker 1: had Jeff Driscoll ahead of Dak Prescy. Jacoby Brissette. Jacoby
Speaker 1: Brissette was a third round player on their board. Connor Cook.
Speaker 1: Connor Cook was a second round player. Lynch wins golf,
Speaker 1: of course, so exactly. And so if say the Raiders
Speaker 1: don't trade up to pick one hundred sick one on one,
Speaker 1: can we go back to that? It's probably the draft
Speaker 1: gods smiled on past Happer was gonna be Connor Cook,
Speaker 1: who none of us liked. Right right in the fourth
Speaker 1: round we were I think we're okay with it, but
Speaker 1: I would have I would have jumped out the window
Speaker 1: if they drafted I think Cook ahead of Yes, Scott
Speaker 1: did on our board. Yes we did in the fourth round. Yes,
Speaker 1: but we had Connor Cook in the fourth round. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, Can I admit it? It's okay? It hurts,
Speaker 1: you know, you get over the pain, you deliver the
Speaker 1: baby like everybody was wrong on Dak Prescott. I don't
Speaker 1: think you guys everybody. I think you guys are misremembering. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think you guys deserved to give yourself a little
Speaker 1: bit more crap. Obviously, nobody we talked about him in
Speaker 1: mock drafts and some of those mock drafts we did.
Speaker 1: We did, and I'm not but I didn't pick. We
Speaker 1: didn't hate. We just didn't see this coming. No, I'm nobody.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying was coming when you watch draft great.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Dak Prescott. He impressed me so much with
Speaker 1: his poise, his leadership, the way your Bowl was a
Speaker 1: good good we were all there for the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and all this. He is a perfect example of not
Speaker 1: everybody's a great practice player. Oh I say that all
Speaker 1: the time, don't David. He's a perfect example that because
Speaker 1: it maybe Jim Anyway immobile. Dak Prescott was the third
Speaker 1: best quarterback there that he saw that week. Cody Kessler
Speaker 1: looked like you shouldn't have been. Yeah, Burston Wentz was
Speaker 1: the best quarterback we saw down there. Jack Prescott. He
Speaker 1: won the game MVP, but during the week of practice,
Speaker 1: good in the in the game. I remember the EJ.
Speaker 1: Manuel once won the game, MVP and the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: So right, Dane, don't get a wet blanket. Guys, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying back to my original point about practice. You know,
Speaker 1: not everyone's even in training camp. Dak Prescott didn't like
Speaker 1: the world. I wholly agree with you on that. He
Speaker 1: was not good at camp until until the game started happening,
Speaker 1: the Rams game being the first, but those right after
Speaker 1: Kellamore got hurt. He actually I forgot about this until
Speaker 1: um Pete Thamil wrote the Sports illustrative feature on him.
Speaker 1: That was a gentleman that was here asking us, and
Speaker 1: it was a good story. If you haven't read it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he dropped his first snap as the starter when you
Speaker 1: know where you know, after Kellamore got hurt, he dropped
Speaker 1: the ball and everyone I remember watching it and being like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, we're in for a long year. There were
Speaker 1: days before I got to camp where Pete we're telling
Speaker 1: it brought us would call in or we talked to
Speaker 1: other people who were at camp would say. It would
Speaker 1: go back and forth like hey, who had the better day,
Speaker 1: Jamil Showers or Dak Prescott when the answer was different
Speaker 1: each day. It took the guy six seconds to get
Speaker 1: the ball out more often than not. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what though. Scouts will admit this too. The coaches pushed
Speaker 1: for Prescott. Oh yeah, scouts thought they had Prescott and
Speaker 1: Jamil Showers. But here's here's the funny thing. And nobody,
Speaker 1: the coaches some credit on this one. Nobody could have
Speaker 1: ever produced at one thirty five. That's the crazy thing
Speaker 1: is I remember while was sitting in that studio on
Speaker 1: draft day, we were like, you gotta this quarterback at
Speaker 1: one thirty five. That's an insane value. Nobody saw this coming,
Speaker 1: but that was a great pick. Before he let the one,
Speaker 1: I think we were surprised that he didn't go one
Speaker 1: on one. Yeah, I think because we knew we were
Speaker 1: speculating about it. When Tapper came off the board, we
Speaker 1: were like, well, we know they just wanted Cook, they
Speaker 1: want that quarterback. Yeah we mocked him one on one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we mocked him one one. No other team did more
Speaker 1: work on a player, there's no doubt about and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys on Dak Prescott, all the visits, all the meetings,
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's easy. I think it's easy for
Speaker 1: coaches to fall in love with the player like this.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about the poisy intelligence. What he's
Speaker 1: done in the SEC is outstanding. The resumes there. But
Speaker 1: going back to his tape study, I mean, Jeff and
Speaker 1: I were talking about this earlier. Did we really miss
Speaker 1: hint on him when the tape didn't show this? I mean,
Speaker 1: you watch him, can't make you? Yeah, you see, you
Speaker 1: gotta stay with your eyes. You gotta what you see.
Speaker 1: Watch him against Alabama against LSU. I think those remember well,
Speaker 1: But maybe about the game in Startville last year. Is
Speaker 1: a senior l won that game? Yeah, Dak Prescott could
Speaker 1: not he he had a few mistakes down the stretch
Speaker 1: that cost them that game, including a play clock air.
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly. Against Alabama, he was fifty percent completions.
Speaker 1: Alabama is the closest thing in college that you're going
Speaker 1: to see doing And so you know, I know, Dad,
Speaker 1: he had a great career in Misissippi States said all
Speaker 1: types of records. He's very productive. The completion percentage went
Speaker 1: up every single year. I didn't see the ball placement
Speaker 1: on film that we're seeing now, and that to me
Speaker 1: blows my mind. Okay, we saw the poys, we saw
Speaker 1: the leadership, we saw the athleticism, the strong arm, the
Speaker 1: ball placement is near pinpoint. And for a quarterback to
Speaker 1: take that jump from college even in the SEC, to
Speaker 1: the NFL and improve their accuracy like Dak is doing,
Speaker 1: it's just it's unbelievable. And you know what, Sorry, but
Speaker 1: you know what I've thought about during the lead up
Speaker 1: to this is and obviously there's no real workaround for
Speaker 1: this in the NFL. You gotta get your guys snaps.
Speaker 1: But how much does just getting to practice mean for
Speaker 1: these guys? You know? I mean, sure Dak would have
Speaker 1: gotten what like two snaps per practice if things had
Speaker 1: played out the way they were supposed to. There's no
Speaker 1: telling how far behind he might be things worked out.
Speaker 1: You give a guy thirty snaps a day to get
Speaker 1: better over the course of a month, I mean that
Speaker 1: can pay dividends. Yeah, I just I'm amazed though the
Speaker 1: journey for this guy. Let me ask you this real
Speaker 1: quick though, before we leave from Dak Prescott, if you
Speaker 1: had to redraft, as I'm about to ask you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you had to redraft, could you from just from
Speaker 1: six games? Okay, this is a terrible thing to do.
Speaker 1: I get it, but we're just having fun on the
Speaker 1: draft show. Can you put him in the conversation with
Speaker 1: the top three quarterbacks that were on the board, you
Speaker 1: have to how do you not? I mean, all right?
Speaker 1: And then who is he better than? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: Lynch was my guy. Well, my guy's not fair. Guys,
Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten to play the guy. He's not fair.
Speaker 1: He's the second quarterback off the board. Do you think
Speaker 1: he goes Wins. I think he probably still goes behind Wentz.
Speaker 1: I think at the Cowboys, the Cowboys had Wins is
Speaker 1: their number one quarterback, knowing what they knew now, I
Speaker 1: wonder if they would trade the opportunity to pick Wins
Speaker 1: over Prescott, knowing what they know right now, ask him,
Speaker 1: pretend to ask him, and then tell us. You get
Speaker 1: to if the way they have it right now, they
Speaker 1: didn't give up anything to get these guys, right, why
Speaker 1: don't you just stay with what you No, no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if if you, if you said, okay
Speaker 1: right now, you could trade your number one quarterback for
Speaker 1: the quarterback you currently have. I don't think they would
Speaker 1: do that, and I think the coaches would not allow
Speaker 1: it to happen. Yeah, I think they love this quarterback
Speaker 1: so much. Wow. Not only that, I think his demeanor
Speaker 1: plus I mean not that it's a huge part of
Speaker 1: their game, but the read option stuff that he can
Speaker 1: do with Zeke every single I think he's perfect. And
Speaker 1: that's another thing. He's just so perfectly. Seventh best player
Speaker 1: on their board. Everything they're trying to do. Credit to
Speaker 1: Lynahan and the offensive staff well overall and with oh wins, yeah,
Speaker 1: wins win and the seventh best player on their board.
Speaker 1: Golf was top tennis, right, Golf was not. He was
Speaker 1: top fifteen, number seven. No, he's I take that back,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Floyd was eight, Golf was nine. Okay, So
Speaker 1: yeah they were. They were still high on golf their
Speaker 1: number two quarterback not too far from Wentz. And I
Speaker 1: had both Wentz and Golf as top ten players on
Speaker 1: my overall board as well. So you know, if if
Speaker 1: we had a red draft today, Prescott, I think he's
Speaker 1: going top five. And it's just a matter of do
Speaker 1: you take Wins you take Prescott. You remember the lead
Speaker 1: up to the draft when we talk about quarterbacks are different.
Speaker 1: You have to evaluate them differently. You have to term
Speaker 1: in their worth. Differently, Dak could theoretically flame out Kaepernick
Speaker 1: style and just not be the same player three years
Speaker 1: from now as he is right now. But based on
Speaker 1: what you six games we're talking, based on what you've seen,
Speaker 1: I think you have to roll with the chance that
Speaker 1: he's going to keep it going because that's how important
Speaker 1: a good quarterback is. You. I mean, if if this
Speaker 1: was possible where you could redraft and that was a
Speaker 1: real thing, I think you have to take the chance
Speaker 1: that this guy's going to be a beast because it
Speaker 1: would mean that much if he is. So you're saying
Speaker 1: he has a first round grade, then sure, no, I
Speaker 1: think I think you have to. And the final line
Speaker 1: on my Dak Prescott report was has the traits to
Speaker 1: secure a backup job in the NFL capable of spot starts. Yea,
Speaker 1: And I mean that's you're honest. You're an honest man.
Speaker 1: If you were the only one, I might make fun
Speaker 1: of you. But I think that was a pretty fine
Speaker 1: notes here say that I would probably take him in
Speaker 1: the first and I bet he wins five of his
Speaker 1: first Whoever takes him is getting a gym. There you go,
Speaker 1: all right, no pick in the fifth that goes to Oakland,
Speaker 1: no pick in the six that goes to Kansas City
Speaker 1: through San Francisco. Sixth round pick were one eighty nine
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, cornerback Perdue. Damn. I got yelled at when
Speaker 1: this pick happened. I was broadcasting on one to five
Speaker 1: three and you and Kat were pumped. The pick came
Speaker 1: in and we were celebrating. Instead of letting somebody get
Speaker 1: the clean read of in the sixth round they select that.
Speaker 1: We were just like yes, because that was a guy
Speaker 1: that we really liked when we watched him. Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: at Purdue was I thought he put really good tape together.
Speaker 1: Third round grade. Yeah, you had him as a third
Speaker 1: round grade. It's not that he never got beat. It's
Speaker 1: that you had a guy there that you watched him
Speaker 1: play z own, You watched him play man. You watched
Speaker 1: the guy that knew what he was doing when the
Speaker 1: ball was in the air. He knew how to play
Speaker 1: a football. He was physical, he could make open field tackles.
Speaker 1: I thought everything about him led to getting picked on
Speaker 1: the second day of the draft, and so to get
Speaker 1: him in the sixth round, we thought that was great value.
Speaker 1: When it happened, oh, yeah, sixth round, right, got one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: one right, Yeah. I think we all agreed on him.
Speaker 1: He was a terrific value. I mean terrific player, but
Speaker 1: the value just well, the boundary. He played boundary corner
Speaker 1: at Perdue. I'll remember that. Play boundary corner. You usually
Speaker 1: used the sideline to help you cover. I would have
Speaker 1: never thought a boundary corner could be really good in
Speaker 1: the slot. But he's really good in the slot and
Speaker 1: running to four three helps three three athlete and he
Speaker 1: is and he's I'll tell you what though. He What
Speaker 1: he is that Scandrick's not is he is a tackler. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he could cover as well as Scandrick.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that. But when you
Speaker 1: start playing dime here coming up real soon again, when
Speaker 1: Scanner gets down in the field, put Scandrick one slot
Speaker 1: him and the other you can play. You can take
Speaker 1: JJ Wilcox off the field. Now you get your pretty
Speaker 1: goottle dime pack. That's what you loved about Brown? What
Speaker 1: was his physicality and night That's also what you kind
Speaker 1: of didn't like about him, because he got caught with
Speaker 1: his hand in the cookie jar a little bit much
Speaker 1: in coverage, but a very physical guy. And with those
Speaker 1: dimensions five eleven four three three athlete, good arm length,
Speaker 1: that's a perfect player to take it in that point
Speaker 1: the drift. He's got a bandage on his head right
Speaker 1: now after this Green Bay game. I gotta assume it's
Speaker 1: got something to do with making ten tackles. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: not afraid to stick his face hanging and heads out there. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get ready, take a break. I'll just go
Speaker 1: through Cavon Frazier hasn't really done anything, but he's been
Speaker 1: active for a few games exactly. Darius Jackson the running back,
Speaker 1: maybe that's one of those ones you look at first
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen when we start talking about this running back situation.
Speaker 1: Rico Gathers was the pick at six round at two seventeen.
Speaker 1: Hearing really good things about him on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, that they guaranteed his first year's salary.
Speaker 1: So he's making first year rookie, mean, not the normal
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars that you can make.
Speaker 1: He's making like four fifty something, So yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: big deal. They guaranteed him a year a rookie year
Speaker 1: salary for his for his play, so you know on
Speaker 1: the practice squad or a touchdown at the little light
Speaker 1: rookie practice that they had here during the bye weekday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know what, and that's so those are guys downline.
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Speaker 1: not gonna sell him short. Shouldn't do that. But with sometime,
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Speaker 1: you the like I say, to educate you on what
Speaker 1: is all NFL draut Okay for before the break, I
Speaker 1: teased about the who was a player that you were
Speaker 1: very very high on that you're happy with and then
Speaker 1: give me a guy through six games or you know
Speaker 1: that you're kind of like, maybe I was a little
Speaker 1: a little off on that one. In a tiny gym,
Speaker 1: I will give you the first crack at this all right, Well,
Speaker 1: considering how we started the draft show last year, if
Speaker 1: you remember, I know you two should remember how much
Speaker 1: I love Lakwan Treadwell, Yeah, I'm gonna let Jeff talk
Speaker 1: about him in more detail. But I just want everyone
Speaker 1: I'm well aware that he is not featuring that was
Speaker 1: that was a bad one on my part. Usually you
Speaker 1: don't like old miss people. I don't, but I love
Speaker 1: the and I mean it's six games in. I got
Speaker 1: faith in my guy. But he but he yeah, he's
Speaker 1: off for a lot of guys. He's the one though,
Speaker 1: that you would probably be the most disheartened about, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: just in terms of the fact that he hasn't logged
Speaker 1: a stat as of yet. Yeah one, And I didn't
Speaker 1: love this guy, but I just we we got to
Speaker 1: throw it out there, I think. And I've talked about
Speaker 1: this on Twitter. Joey Bosa uh Dane's guy Joey Bosa. Uh,
Speaker 1: what's up, Brian? What was that about public in? I mean,
Speaker 1: why that's not I'm not trying to throw Brian under
Speaker 1: the bus here. I just remember every week when we
Speaker 1: would come into this studio, it was the slam Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa and not coming from you, right, the listeners just
Speaker 1: it turned into get that guy away from me. I
Speaker 1: don't want him on art. Oh you, Dane did a
Speaker 1: nice job of defending Joey Bosa and I and I
Speaker 1: again and you I before people come at me. I
Speaker 1: went back and listened to these shows and I was
Speaker 1: never slamming the table trying to call this guy in
Speaker 1: all pro but I just eventually got fed up and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a good player. He is
Speaker 1: worthy of being a top ten pick. You guys need
Speaker 1: to calm down. And sure enough, after a very lengthy,
Speaker 1: annoying holdout, he goes out there and he's balling for
Speaker 1: San Diego. He looks every bit the type of player
Speaker 1: that you draft in the top five. So that's one.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel good for Joey Bosa that he's
Speaker 1: that he's delivering. Based on how much criticism he gets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I just went back and I talked to
Speaker 1: some people in the front office. They had no intention
Speaker 1: of taking Joey Bosa. Oh for sure, I mean that,
Speaker 1: but that if people were looking, if you were a
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa fan out there of the draft show, and
Speaker 1: you light Joey Bosa and you believe and yeah, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's there. That's the what they'll have to wear.
Speaker 1: You talked about. Joey Bosa's played in two games. He's
Speaker 1: had five tackles, two sacks. So two games, two sacks.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good percentage right there. But the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had no intention of taking Joey Bosa. And because it
Speaker 1: came down, if it had come down to defensive players,
Speaker 1: it was Ramsey or Bosa would have been on the board.
Speaker 1: Ramsey was their second best player and Bosa was their
Speaker 1: fourth best. Part. It was interesting about their board. Laramie
Speaker 1: Tunsel was their third best player on their board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that shows you, right, that's not window dressing right there.
Speaker 1: For if you have a we're gonna take a billion
Speaker 1: dollar offensive line and you put Jay and you put
Speaker 1: Laramie Tunsel as your third best player, you're not window
Speaker 1: dressing your board. I don't think they take him, they'll
Speaker 1: turn that in. Yeah. But but but they have it,
Speaker 1: they have him on their board, so I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there's that possible. There was a low chance that the
Speaker 1: first three picks we're going to be or the first
Speaker 1: you know, two of the first three picks we're going
Speaker 1: to be Zeke and uh Ramsey. So they knew they
Speaker 1: were a good chance they were gonna get either of
Speaker 1: those two guys. Jeffrey Cavanall, Oh, man, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it. This is through six games. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can do it, though, but if anybody wants a piece
Speaker 1: of me, if anybody wants to tweet at JC one
Speaker 1: oh five three, if you want to take shots at
Speaker 1: my guy, that's fine because now is a good time
Speaker 1: to take shots at my guy. But twelve years from now,
Speaker 1: we're gonna look back and Jared Goff is going to
Speaker 1: be really good in the NFL. But man, it's hard
Speaker 1: to uh, it's hard to be really excited about the
Speaker 1: guy that I said, this is my quarterback, this's my
Speaker 1: number one quarterback, and with all of the rookies that
Speaker 1: are playing and having some success, they're not even putting
Speaker 1: him on the field right now. So it's hard not
Speaker 1: to say Jared Goff is the game having at least
Speaker 1: at that point, they're having success with not playing him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but still, but that's what I but I mean to see.
Speaker 1: I mean, Paxton Lynch went in and had something. There's
Speaker 1: there's quarterback quarterbacks playing right now. Yeah, there's lots of them,
Speaker 1: and one of them couldn't be active at first, and
Speaker 1: now he can't find the field. Even though case Keenum
Speaker 1: occasionally is having a good game, it's still you know,
Speaker 1: for somebody that I was banging the drum four through
Speaker 1: six games, it doesn't look good on his struggles in
Speaker 1: the preseason I think are a part of this as well,
Speaker 1: because even though he hasn't had a chance to prove himself,
Speaker 1: he struggled in the preseason. Um wasn't all bad. He
Speaker 1: had some good moments, but more bad than good, especially
Speaker 1: for a number one overall pick. So he's a perfect
Speaker 1: example of why you know, we wait three years ideally
Speaker 1: to judge these guys. Because I still believe in Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: you know, I just like you, you know, we're not
Speaker 1: giving up on the evaluation yet. No, I still think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good draft show. We're just talking
Speaker 1: about it. But uh yeah, through six games, that's the one,
Speaker 1: that's the one that bothers you the most, right just
Speaker 1: right now? Wait, so yeah, I mean it's more than LaQuan.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I would say LaQuan worries me more long term,
Speaker 1: Like I still think Jared Goff is gonna make it LaQuan.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about were we so wrong about him?
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at my top fifty and Laquon Treadwell's
Speaker 1: physical profile says bust. It says it if you if
Speaker 1: you follow the numbers, guys and you measure his athletic Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was sap and not look at the number. I know,
Speaker 1: and that's what I trusted too. But I like, I
Speaker 1: want to I want all of it. I want to
Speaker 1: know everything I can. And we spent six months calling
Speaker 1: him baby Daz. Yeah that wasn't a bust. But the
Speaker 1: key was what Dane said about him was less explosive Dez.
Speaker 1: And it turns out if you're a little slower quite
Speaker 1: as good after the catch, maybe that's not enough. Like
Speaker 1: Dez isn't a guy that's gonna get six yards open
Speaker 1: on a route, and Treadwell looks like he is less
Speaker 1: than that and so so far it looks like it's trouble.
Speaker 1: And when scouting the receiver position, it comes down to
Speaker 1: two main things. Can you get open and can you
Speaker 1: catch the ball? He can do the number two thing
Speaker 1: really well. Yeah, number one thing that I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have some trouble with right now because he's not
Speaker 1: an above average route runner and so he's thrived on
Speaker 1: his physicality and his ball skills up to this point.
Speaker 1: He needs to refine his route running and you know,
Speaker 1: just really get better in that separation part getting open.
Speaker 1: So another guy that you know, we're not going to
Speaker 1: give up on. But it's been a struggle for him
Speaker 1: so far. And it happens a lot of receivers that
Speaker 1: jump even from the SEC. It's tough, especially when you're
Speaker 1: facing more press coverage, guys that are on top of
Speaker 1: you twenty four seven. So yeah, disappointing start for him.
Speaker 1: Well for Bather and these two guys on this page right, well,
Speaker 1: that's the guy I'm gonna go too. Next is the
Speaker 1: guy on the bottom there. The guy that I think
Speaker 1: we had him right was Sterling Shepherd. The only thing
Speaker 1: we had wrong was for the amount of praise we
Speaker 1: gave him. We talked about him like a first round player.
Speaker 1: The only stake we made was not going ahead and
Speaker 1: saying it like we had him right there at the
Speaker 1: top of two yea one. I know on our board
Speaker 1: we did. We had him the top of the second round.
Speaker 1: And when I went back, I'm thinking, oh, man, we
Speaker 1: had that guy in the first round because I know
Speaker 1: so we had him over will Fuller. We did, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people, even on member on draft Day
Speaker 1: when they drafted will Fuller, I'm going, well, they you
Speaker 1: know they, you know, Houston, they've got it. There's a
Speaker 1: better guy up there, you know, hey. But will Fuller
Speaker 1: is doing his thing too. He's having a nice season.
Speaker 1: He's doing what we thought he will. Will Fuller's my guy.
Speaker 1: He's making big catch guys that I missed on. He's
Speaker 1: making big plays and twenty catches, three twenty seven yards,
Speaker 1: two touchdown. Are you were you wrong? Though? Because I
Speaker 1: think and I'm not a Houston Texans expert, but it
Speaker 1: seems like he's doing the stuff we knew he could do. Right.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's playing a different sort of game.
Speaker 1: I mean, his hand and they're not great. He's fast,
Speaker 1: he can get open, which I think he's a body catcher. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And that's that's where I struggle with receivers that aren't
Speaker 1: natural hands catchers. It really worries. I'm with you on that,
Speaker 1: and so it's it's a balance because he is an
Speaker 1: explosive athlete who can take the top off a defense
Speaker 1: good luck you know in man covers trying to keep
Speaker 1: hold of this guy. He can catch it and run it.
Speaker 1: But when he's unreliable catching the ball, that's where it
Speaker 1: really bothers me. And that's why I gave him a
Speaker 1: second round grade because he's unreliable in that respect. He's
Speaker 1: not the he doesn't have a great build, so injuries
Speaker 1: I think are always going to be an issue for him.
Speaker 1: But so far he's proven that, hey, he was worth
Speaker 1: a first round pick because of the explosive plays, and
Speaker 1: those explosive plays make a big difference in a football game.
Speaker 1: And so far he's he's proved he's been worth a
Speaker 1: first round pick. I think will Fuller that that's my
Speaker 1: guy as a guy who I didn't have as highly
Speaker 1: that maybe I should have because of that explosive plays.
Speaker 1: That aspect, it's a big deal. Well, I mean it's easier.
Speaker 1: I think it's easier, and I would still like the
Speaker 1: two guys were talking about their Sterling Shepherd versus Will Fuller,
Speaker 1: Like Sterling Shepherd is the prototype for doing things that
Speaker 1: make you comfortable with a wide receiver. Yea, I used
Speaker 1: probably the best route runner in the class. Hands catches
Speaker 1: were easy. I mean the hands were great, the routes
Speaker 1: were great. He had. He's explosive enough to where like
Speaker 1: I trust that guy any down any day, to throw
Speaker 1: him any ball you want. I trust Sterling Shepherd. I
Speaker 1: don't trust will Fuller. I would still take Shepherd over
Speaker 1: him all day. But both of them have in their
Speaker 1: own way, done the things they excel at to help
Speaker 1: their team. Yeah. That's that's well put. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think just real quick, I just want to apologize to
Speaker 1: my LSU guy, Dion Jones too. I really I didn't
Speaker 1: have high hope. I thought he was like a career
Speaker 1: special team or type of linebacker. Yeah, Jalen Mills isn't
Speaker 1: playing bad in Philadelphia, but about Starred Robinson's starting both
Speaker 1: the two character guys with Mills, and we said Mills
Speaker 1: only fell because of the character stuff. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: he was seventh round picked by Philadelphia for Shard Robinson
Speaker 1: together tape in the last year and was clean off
Speaker 1: on the off the field. He'd have been a first
Speaker 1: round the league. Yeah, but Dion I thought, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was like, he's too small, He's a special team
Speaker 1: or type guy. He's starting in Atlanta. We got your
Speaker 1: two guys. The guy that I missed on Will Fuller.
Speaker 1: Guy that I thought nailed was Cody white Hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was my twenty third best player in this draft.
Speaker 1: He felt a nice job, but the Chicago Bears is
Speaker 1: a starting center. He fell all the way to fifty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought this guy was one of the
Speaker 1: top twenty five players in this draft, and I thought
Speaker 1: he was a Day one starter at either guard center.
Speaker 1: He was playing center for the Bears at a very
Speaker 1: high level. You can make an argument right now he's
Speaker 1: one of the top five centers in the league. And
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at all because we saw this on
Speaker 1: tape at Kansas State, and so for him to be
Speaker 1: doing this, I think he's doing exactly what I thought.
Speaker 1: My sky report said he would do well. And I
Speaker 1: know we already talked about him when we did the
Speaker 1: Cowboys part of this, but really number one on this
Speaker 1: whole list is Anthony Brown. Like, that's the guy that
Speaker 1: relative to where he was taken and what we thought
Speaker 1: of him terms of value. Yeah right, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: my list and I'm my top fifty and I had
Speaker 1: Elliot Ezekiel Elliot as my second best player on my board.
Speaker 1: Smart smart man. Yeah, but I had Miles Jack number one.
Speaker 1: Hey hollooo, whoa whoa, whoa whoa Now time out? Now? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they put him in. They told him learn a new position.
Speaker 1: We're getting you. Okay. No, No, I'm okay. I'm okay
Speaker 1: with my top two. But like I said, I'm happy
Speaker 1: the way that Elliot has worked out. I mean, my
Speaker 1: notes were immediate impact, as tough as they come. That's
Speaker 1: just that's what I said about him. The guy, the
Speaker 1: guy I'm the mist most disappointed about. And I have
Speaker 1: a couple I'll tell you the guy I was I
Speaker 1: was really really wrong about. And I didn't have had
Speaker 1: him my top fifty, but I didn't have him high
Speaker 1: enough in my top fifty. And where did he go?
Speaker 1: Darren Lee? Remember you guys, I wasn't gonna I did
Speaker 1: not like Darren Lee at outside linebacker from Ohio State,
Speaker 1: and you watch him play with the Jets. I think
Speaker 1: he's got twenty two tackles and a half a sack
Speaker 1: and something like that. But he is a much better
Speaker 1: player than I gave him credit. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: like him at all. But he the run hit factor
Speaker 1: and all that. Yeah, he run really fast, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you're sitting here and watching, like, when's he gonna get
Speaker 1: Himhen's he gonna make a play. When's he gonna make
Speaker 1: a play. He's always run around. When's gonna Well, he's
Speaker 1: made twenty two tackles through six games. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there's something to him. I was really really wrong about him.
Speaker 1: You know, I should have had him probably higher. But
Speaker 1: Noah's Spence was my fifth best player on my board.
Speaker 1: Well a great Noah Spence and so you know, and
Speaker 1: I thought that he was the best pass rusher in
Speaker 1: the draft. I like this explosiveness off the edge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that to me. To me, Noah Spence is
Speaker 1: the one, and I hope it's not one when I
Speaker 1: wake up one day at this time next year as
Speaker 1: we get through the complete season, and I said, boy,
Speaker 1: I completely miss Noah's I completely missed that he's got
Speaker 1: a sack. Yeah, but he's only got eight other tackles too,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to find a way. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: six games, I get, but I just I thought he
Speaker 1: would have an immediate pack if I thought he would
Speaker 1: come in and really help Tampa and be a player
Speaker 1: that Okay, now he's got you know, let me tell
Speaker 1: you the kid. Okay, Dane, tell me the kid's name.
Speaker 1: The kid from Maryland, Yannick and Goquay. We couldn't remember
Speaker 1: remember his name, Yannick and Gottwa jacks. Yeah, nine tackles,
Speaker 1: four sacks, having a nice rookie year. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: fourth round that's a four sacks. That's a that's a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick right there. Fourth sacks. Nice. See, that's
Speaker 1: the numbers I was thinking that Noah Spence would have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I was thinking right there. Welcome to the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it fun. I'm just looking at
Speaker 1: our board that we put together. And just a random
Speaker 1: name that I think is at least worth mentioning is
Speaker 1: Taj Sharp. That's a guy that we that we liked,
Speaker 1: and you watched him and it's like, man measurable. Uh,
Speaker 1: the NFL's looking at him like I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you watch him play and it's like that dude runs route,
Speaker 1: so that dude catches everything. He steps into Tennessee and
Speaker 1: he's essentially their number one receiver. Right. Yeah, they're struggling too.
Speaker 1: You know what I think is fun about this though,
Speaker 1: and I thought about it back during the draft. It's
Speaker 1: you know, when you're picking twenty seventh and Byron Jews
Speaker 1: is your guy, Like, it's harder to predict, obviously, and
Speaker 1: it's harder to feel bad about these things. But when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys they were picking right at the top of
Speaker 1: the round every single every single time, and now we're
Speaker 1: talking about a lot of these guys were potential options,
Speaker 1: you know, and it just makes it, well, it makes
Speaker 1: it more fun. It also makes it more painful when
Speaker 1: you think, like, well, they could have gone that rounde
Speaker 1: if they wanted to. Oakland took a kid, Corey James,
Speaker 1: outside linebacker from Colorado States. Team liked him. Yeah, twenty seven,
Speaker 1: he's got twenty seven tackles. He's the undersized kid. Whinny
Speaker 1: he Yeah, he was a pass rusher than they pass.
Speaker 1: They had him on the ground. He's three four four,
Speaker 1: three guys playing middle linebacker now for the Raiders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: A big part of that is just necessity. They need
Speaker 1: someone to fill that hole. Yeah, but he's doing a
Speaker 1: nice job stepping up and playing. When Jordan Howard when Indiana? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when when is the NFL going to stop being all
Speaker 1: about measurables like receivers don't have to every six three
Speaker 1: linebackers don't have to be ever forty. It's just they
Speaker 1: don't ever get it's never gonna happen. They don't have
Speaker 1: to be the kid the little kid from bon Buchanan,
Speaker 1: the linebacker at Arizona that was a safety in college.
Speaker 1: A little kid from Akron's playing well too, Tavis Brown,
Speaker 1: and that was one of the guys I wrote down. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well he's up for Rookie of the Week. This if
Speaker 1: you can play, Brill Peppers is a guy we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking. Okay, now segue, thank you very much. The
Speaker 1: last ten minutes though, you know, let's talk about is
Speaker 1: I look at the Dallas Cowboys and and and you know,
Speaker 1: give me go around the room here, give me one
Speaker 1: team need for the Dallas Cowboys through six games, what
Speaker 1: you've seen so far. If you think about twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: outside pass rusher, defensive end way more than anything else,
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean need Jeff Corner. And this
Speaker 1: has to do with Yeah, car Mo, you don't know
Speaker 1: who's gonna be. You know you've got Anthony Brown, right, Dane,
Speaker 1: you watched this team. What about safety? I think this
Speaker 1: team they're gonna have to make some decisions With Bullcocks
Speaker 1: and Church. I think they're both their contracts are both
Speaker 1: up at the end of the year. Yeah, Iron Jones, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: what's gonna do there? But there's another safety spot here.
Speaker 1: Tight end maybe you know, think about with the age
Speaker 1: with wit and I know when you type tight end,
Speaker 1: everybody kind of cringes. I think you're I think you're
Speaker 1: dead right on tight end because that's the one spot
Speaker 1: left when you look at going forward, you say, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have Dak, I'm gonna have Zeke, I'm gonna have Dez.
Speaker 1: How about wide receiver number to number two? Wide receiver? Yeah,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I got a sneaky one for you that
Speaker 1: I thought about today. Guard not not not top of
Speaker 1: the draft. You got you got Lyle Collins coming back.
Speaker 1: You got Zach Martin, You're probably lock them down, but
Speaker 1: you're into your I think that Chaz Green is gonna
Speaker 1: play right tackle for this team next year. That's what
Speaker 1: I think. Okay, Okay, with all the with all the needs,
Speaker 1: with all the needs, with all those needs we're talking about. Okay, Dane,
Speaker 1: shoot me some of your defensive ends. You've got any
Speaker 1: I mean, people kind of give us an idea. And
Speaker 1: every week you should follow Dane on Twitter. DP Brugler,
Speaker 1: you should every time you and Jeff you do podcast.
Speaker 1: But you kind of put out guys to watch right
Speaker 1: who are who are some people? And I know this
Speaker 1: is probably putting you on the spot a little bit,
Speaker 1: but maybe some of the guys were taughout the defensive ends,
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks people, and you know, let's all chime in
Speaker 1: of guys that you know, where's the Michigan kid fit
Speaker 1: in all this? And I think looking at this class
Speaker 1: coming up, there's I think defensive end could be strong,
Speaker 1: edge rusher as a whole. I think corners to be strong.
Speaker 1: Running back obviously really the one position I look like
Speaker 1: I look at that's not going to be strong. His
Speaker 1: offensive line, which is okay, well, yeah, that normally doesn't happen, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean deep saying defensive end in corner is deep.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a great start and a
Speaker 1: great fit for what this team's gonna need. When when
Speaker 1: fans start their study, what's position of the of the two,
Speaker 1: which are they going to feel the best studying and
Speaker 1: watch it? Well, I think you look at edge rusher
Speaker 1: because of one guy, and that's Miles Garrett. I mean,
Speaker 1: and listening too many games for that happen. It's already over.
Speaker 1: That's a thing you can't have listen. He's Greg Ellis
Speaker 1: everyone stop, don't do that. Yeah you don't. You know
Speaker 1: how much I love Joey Bosa last year. I know
Speaker 1: Greg Miles is a good player. Miles Garrett will have
Speaker 1: a higher grade than Joey Bosa. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett's gonna be He's gonna be on your book.
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett's the number one player in this draft. This
Speaker 1: is all right, It's October nineteen. It's not a surprise.
Speaker 1: He's the number one players draft. And I will be
Speaker 1: shocked unless he comes unless some character stuff comes out
Speaker 1: around stuff. He's built like a tank and he moves
Speaker 1: like a receiver. Yeah, that's a thing, don real six
Speaker 1: five's two sixty five. He moves so fast and he's
Speaker 1: not a speed rusher. I mean he is a speed rusher,
Speaker 1: but he's not only a speed rusher. He knows how
Speaker 1: to use his hands, his leverage, push push pull technique,
Speaker 1: he can do inside, he can do it all. I mean,
Speaker 1: this kid's a real dad. It's cruel irony in a way,
Speaker 1: but I mean it's early. The Cowboys are gonna have
Speaker 1: too many wins to get this guy. They already know,
Speaker 1: they already do. And here's the is this is a
Speaker 1: year with good pass rushers, and again the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: probably be back at up in the round. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the question that's going to be. Is he
Speaker 1: worth training up? That's actually I'm I'm Garrett Love Garrett.
Speaker 1: He's a great player. I'm a little bit more curious
Speaker 1: about the other guy on that line, DaShan, because he
Speaker 1: seems to be a beast and he might be a
Speaker 1: more realistic option somebody though. Okay, say the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: finish in the finish somewhere between twenty four and on down,
Speaker 1: is there an edge rusher can Barnett make it. I
Speaker 1: don't tend to see a guy making I don't think
Speaker 1: Derek Barnett's gonna make it. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: somewhere top twenty and he's moved. He's the perfect guy
Speaker 1: for this team. Barnett, all these guys I would know
Speaker 1: if you I only know a few. Dade his way
Speaker 1: on our podcast five get Ready, I throw alley oops
Speaker 1: and Dane does three sixty dunks. Uh. Dwyane Smooth from Illinois.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be in that late first early second
Speaker 1: round discussion day. Shawn Hall, I think he'll be in
Speaker 1: that discussion. Hall is a guy that only played opposite
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, so he's not getting as much attention. Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett didn't play against South Carolina two weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: Dashawn Hall was still outstanding. I mean, this isn't that
Speaker 1: type of deal. Hall is a real deal. You're looking
Speaker 1: at other guys. Carl Lawson from Auburn, Charles Harris from
Speaker 1: Missouri's a big time player Missouri guy um and so
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are under class They come out.
Speaker 1: Defensive line I think is going to be one of
Speaker 1: the deeper positions this year, especially at the top. Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett as the top guy. Malik McDowell from Michigan State
Speaker 1: defensive lineman pap dancing right now. Jonathan Allens from Alabama
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. We know him, we wanted him, and for
Speaker 1: some reason he decided to save his report. Yeah, O J. Howards, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kept Jonathan Allens. There's there's some guys we still got.
Speaker 1: We could spend this whole time talking about Alabama's front seven.
Speaker 1: They got a new middle linebackers. It's better than Ragland.
Speaker 1: How about that game this week? You're gonna tweet out
Speaker 1: though about Alabama, Texas A and M players to watch right.
Speaker 1: I just did, actually, and it's as good as Alabama's
Speaker 1: front seven is. Garrett's still the best player on the
Speaker 1: field a Saturday. So yeah, but number two, three, four
Speaker 1: or five and six or at Alabama YEA, A, A
Speaker 1: and M has some safeties. Justin Evans our money Watts
Speaker 1: about our LSU safety Jamal Adams. He's a solid player.
Speaker 1: I'm not he said that. Jamal Adam. He hasn't and
Speaker 1: he hasn't been. He hasn't been as amazing as I thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm with you. I mean, I think he's
Speaker 1: a good player, but hey, Trey White. Trey White, though
Speaker 1: he's been predicting good, he came back for a senior
Speaker 1: year to prove he was first round worthy. He's so far,
Speaker 1: he's living up to it. He's doing a nice job.
Speaker 1: Talk about a couple of corners before we get out
Speaker 1: of here. Yeah, about five minutes on this, we have
Speaker 1: a couple of corners. I could go top ten this year.
Speaker 1: Tease Tabor from Florida, Marlin Humphrey, another Alabama kid. Is
Speaker 1: he better than our guy? Hart thinks? So? Yeah? Is
Speaker 1: a acording to Laquon Treadwell. I remember the combine they said,
Speaker 1: hey who is Yeah, who was tough? And he was
Speaker 1: like nobody. He's like, oh the kid at Florida, not Hardgraves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so boy he is. He's awesome. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: top ten guy as long as a character checks out. Okay,
Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey again, other top ten guy seniors. There's some
Speaker 1: good guys with Cordrea Tankrously from Clemson, Davious White who
Speaker 1: Dave mentioned, and the interesting guy to meet is Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis Michigan Corner who made that outstanding interception probably saw
Speaker 1: in Sports Center. But this guy is a legit cover corner.
Speaker 1: He's just small, so will will he fit in the draft?
Speaker 1: He has first round, first round skills, but again, okay,
Speaker 1: don't make that sound again, second or third round size,
Speaker 1: So Jordan Lewis will be interesting. Uh, guy that we scout,
Speaker 1: I'm putting you on the spot real quick, and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm hijacking this where you like, where do you see
Speaker 1: Jill Peppers going in this draft? I think he's looking
Speaker 1: at my top five players overall. He's in there. My
Speaker 1: top five players overall, Miles Garrett, Jonathan Allen, Milik McDowell.
Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers is number four. He is safety in this scheme.
Speaker 1: That that's the big debate. Yeah, sure, where does he play?
Speaker 1: Because and people will throw out honey badger, We did
Speaker 1: it with Ramsey two. Where does he play? My answer,
Speaker 1: Miles Jack, My answer is on the field exactly. Those
Speaker 1: type of guys that transcends scheme. You just you find
Speaker 1: a way to put him on the field and they
Speaker 1: let that athleticism and ability take over. Jabrill Peppers is
Speaker 1: that type of guy. He's not the honey badger. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have those type of cover skills, but his when
Speaker 1: the plays in front of him, his play speed and
Speaker 1: burst are unbelievable. Blur blur speed. He's not missing tackles
Speaker 1: this year, which he did last year. And then watch
Speaker 1: him on punt returns. He's unbelievable. This is a kid
Speaker 1: who's six foot two hundred and fifteen pounds. Watch him
Speaker 1: run the ball fifteen he's playing. See you're making the
Speaker 1: face and go no, I'm making the excited face. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can play linebacker at that size. You can do
Speaker 1: that now. But he's tackler, big tackler. He's a big
Speaker 1: time tackler. Where its you gotta watch. And this is
Speaker 1: a guy he was recruited as a corner, played nickel
Speaker 1: last year, linebacker this year. I have some questions when
Speaker 1: he has to turn his hips in coverage, but when
Speaker 1: the plays in front of him, forget about it. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to be talking about this. And obviously the Cowboys
Speaker 1: playing right now is the paramount concern, and they look
Speaker 1: good and that's exciting by week dratime, but I'm I'm
Speaker 1: already bummed out that, like we're not gonna be in
Speaker 1: this like top of the draft conversation like all these
Speaker 1: studs are gonna be gone by I've been doing this
Speaker 1: since May, and I think I'm so excited because I
Speaker 1: still want to talk to you about this. Jeff, we
Speaker 1: do it. You know, we talk fastest answer I've ever
Speaker 1: gotten on a text. I was like, Dan, what do
Speaker 1: you think about a college football with some draft in there?
Speaker 1: And it came back before I hit sinned. It was
Speaker 1: really weird. It wasn't yes, it wasn't okay, it was please, Hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think can we get? Can we get
Speaker 1: this in quickly? Because watching other guys that people talk
Speaker 1: about at quarterback, like, to me, this quarterback class, it's
Speaker 1: like bizarre. I'm not really excited, Like Deshan Kaiser can play,
Speaker 1: Watson can play, They can play, but there's nobody there
Speaker 1: that I'm like, hey, there's the number one pick in
Speaker 1: the draft now. And then I think we have to
Speaker 1: preface this conversation by saying, who saw Carson Wentz going
Speaker 1: top two overall this time last year? I did you know?
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of North Dakota State film. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, we I liked him at this point last year,
Speaker 1: but I thought, you know, maybe as a chance, where
Speaker 1: did you see him? Where did you think maybe first draft? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I thought he started off in the low twenties.
Speaker 1: And then it was right. I remember when I had started,
Speaker 1: when I had a chance to go see him live
Speaker 1: in Frisco at the did and at the bowl game
Speaker 1: that the FCS National title game. That's when I was
Speaker 1: completely sold. I thought this guy is just yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: So he was everywhere and that evaluations worked out for
Speaker 1: the Eagle so far. But with this quarterback class, the
Speaker 1: senior class, I don't like. I don't like these guys.
Speaker 1: Chad Kelly from Ole Miss, he'll probably be the first
Speaker 1: senior drafted. I don't trust him. Uh, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of issues going on. They thought a cop and
Speaker 1: written to shoot up a club with an AK forty seven.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of a lot of issues with him,
Speaker 1: like my job too much, yeah exactly. And so the
Speaker 1: senior class, I don't don't have a Carson Wentz this year.
Speaker 1: The underclassman that's going to be the drives of the
Speaker 1: discussion in terms of the underclassman or the quarterback class
Speaker 1: this year. Deshaun Kaiser is still my guy at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: I think he has a chance to be the top quarterback.
Speaker 1: Uh it's Deshaun Watson. He was viewed as that, you know,
Speaker 1: the clear cut guy right now, I don't have in
Speaker 1: my top ten prospects. I like him. I just I
Speaker 1: like the sounds you're making today. I worry about I
Speaker 1: worry about his accuracy, his ball placement. Um, he's a
Speaker 1: good player. We saw it against Louisville, what he did
Speaker 1: this past year going mono imano against Lamar Jackson. Watching Louisville,
Speaker 1: I can't come out that. You can't come out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One one guy to watch for is Mitch Trubiscuit in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. I've seen that guy play that day in
Speaker 1: Miami that he's a good player who small sample size,
Speaker 1: but good guy to watch. But he had trouble. Who
Speaker 1: did they play the week before Virginia Tech. It was
Speaker 1: the same thing with the Shawn Kayser at NC State.
Speaker 1: So you almost have to throw the tape out. It
Speaker 1: was that bad. I know the draft show is it's
Speaker 1: a draft show, but I'm just sitting here thinking, thank God,
Speaker 1: this isn't the Cowboys problem anymore. Yeah, that's we weren't
Speaker 1: talking about quarterback even look at broadest. No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm all about I'm all about the kid from THEE.
Speaker 1: Even if even if Dakota is not the twelve year
Speaker 1: answer here, the grain, the rain, Dakota, even if he's
Speaker 1: not the franchise guy the Cowboys, I would they will
Speaker 1: not be drafting a quarterback. Man. This is a team
Speaker 1: that does not like drafting quarterbacks, especially when they got
Speaker 1: it about this when hey, guys, is wrong on this
Speaker 1: team next year. See, now that's that's your question again.
Speaker 1: Now that's a question because if you like Mo claiborne,
Speaker 1: if you like Mo Claiborne and you like Ron Learry,
Speaker 1: you could sure you See that's why I said guard
Speaker 1: is a need for this team because Ron Leary's not
Speaker 1: staying here. I just see if you if we'll get
Speaker 1: like a fifth round comp pick and find our next
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. There you go, It's easy. Well, guys, that's
Speaker 1: all the time we have for today the Draft show,
Speaker 1: and I want to thank everybody for coming in. David Hellman,
Speaker 1: thanks for always hanging out with me at the start.
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, thanks for taking a day from one oh
Speaker 1: five three. Make sure you check out his show. He
Speaker 1: tells a lot of college football talk, a lot of
Speaker 1: draft talk from ten to three every day on one
Speaker 1: oh five three. One of the good young, bright football minds.
Speaker 1: I'm a buddy here Dane Bruger from CBS Sports and
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Make sure checking out his work
Speaker 1: as well. He's working hard talking about this draft up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be back with you in January. We'll have
Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. We'll talk about this team,
Speaker 1: what they need to do, talk about all the other teams.
Speaker 1: We'll have a I have a better understanding two about
Speaker 1: the players. I was fun listening to Dane and Jeff
Speaker 1: talk about these guys. So I'm gonna start on my
Speaker 1: film work with Jeff on December fifth. Why you started
Speaker 1: that later? You started that early last year because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were bad. Cowboys played December first, and I'd done
Speaker 1: it on December first that they weren't going to play.
Speaker 1: It was a Thursday night. So I'm gonna start my
Speaker 1: film work Monday. Theoretically, you're going to be working on
Speaker 1: college film during a potential playoff run. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: because you know why, I know that I want to
Speaker 1: draft the draft is so good for the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: want to make sure we do it again. It was fun,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Thank you guys so much. Thanks everybody out
Speaker 1: there for join us for my guy Kemp Garrison, Executive
Speaker 1: producers Brian Bruss, and we'll see you next time on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show.