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Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought that up because since the last
Speaker 5: recording of Talking Cowboys, there's a lot that's happened over
Speaker 5: the weekend. Pads have come on a tight end, got paid.
Speaker 6: As always that happens with Talking Cowboys. There's breaking news
Speaker 6: all surrounding us.
Speaker 4: There's gonna be I was about to say, there's gonna
Speaker 4: be a breaking news segment like at today Pacific time.
Speaker 1: That's just how it goes.
Speaker 5: But we also had a bit of a roller coaster, gentlemen,
Speaker 5: a bit of a roller coaster with the emotions, with
Speaker 5: the expectations of the season, with the expectations.
Speaker 4: Of a former first round pick.
Speaker 6: Can I go through the timeline real quick, let's go
Speaker 6: to this press isn't great to begin with, man, So
Speaker 6: you're doing this on top of all of that, it's
Speaker 6: just not great.
Speaker 4: Well, this will help you relive it.
Speaker 5: And for those that may have missed the roller coaster yesterday,
Speaker 5: here's how it started out here in practice, Tyler Geiton,
Speaker 5: second year first round pick back in twenty twenty four's draft,
Speaker 5: and of course starting at the left tackle spot. He's
Speaker 5: having a great practice and what I thought was his
Speaker 5: best practice to this point. Stonewall Donovano's roku a couple
Speaker 5: of times was really solid with his feet, his footwork,
Speaker 5: his hands were looking powerful. I mean, all of it
Speaker 5: looked like it was coming together. Wasn't a perfect practice,
Speaker 5: but it was his best practice so far. Then at
Speaker 5: approximately one twenty nine pm Pacific time, he goes down
Speaker 5: with an injury.
Speaker 4: He got tangled up with Tyler Smith.
Speaker 5: Azraku was kind of tangled up and was down on
Speaker 5: the field at one twenty nine. About three hours later,
Speaker 5: just under three hours later, at four to twenty one
Speaker 5: Pacific time, he in rap. Report from the NFL Network
Speaker 5: reports that it is feared to be a torn ACL
Speaker 5: for Tyler Geiton. Everyone starts to freak out. What do
Speaker 5: we do now? Do you bump Tyler Smith out to
Speaker 5: left tackle? Do you go try and resign Tyron Smith?
Speaker 5: What are the certain possibilities that are at hand? But
Speaker 5: either way, our former first round pick has a torn
Speaker 5: ACL and this is not good for our future of
Speaker 5: the offensive line. Then less about less than about an
Speaker 5: hour later, to the rescue comes Todd Archer at ESPN at.
Speaker 4: What is let me see, Oh my phone's closing on me?
Speaker 8: Like fifteen minutes later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like not much longer. Five oh nine
Speaker 4: pm Pacific time.
Speaker 5: Todd Urcher reports that Tyler Guidon's acl is intact after
Speaker 5: an nr MRI and he has a bone fracture that
Speaker 5: will not require surgery, looking at a four to six.
Speaker 4: Week recovery, and that is where we stand.
Speaker 5: It felt like all of Cowboys Nation took a sigh
Speaker 5: of relief that they're left tackled. Not only is going
Speaker 5: to be available this year, but has a possibility, Tommy,
Speaker 5: as you wrote on Dallascowboys dot com, Tyler Goiden has
Speaker 5: a chance to play week one and that is almost
Speaker 5: It feels like a.
Speaker 9: Miracle, absolutely, and it's a like sigh of relief is
Speaker 9: the perfect way to put it, because man, if Tyler
Speaker 9: Guiden is out for the whole year, that that would
Speaker 9: have you don't even need to say, we know how
Speaker 9: brutal that would have been, right, just because obviously things
Speaker 9: didn't go his way last year. He's starting to show
Speaker 9: signs of progression this camp already, but now you know he's.
Speaker 7: Still missing important reps.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 9: That's the tough part about this is the optimistic view
Speaker 9: of things as Tyler Gotton is back week one, but
Speaker 9: the bottom line is he's missing the rest of camp,
Speaker 9: and this camp is super important for him and he
Speaker 9: needs He needed these reps.
Speaker 7: He needed the time to sheell in with everyone around him.
Speaker 9: He needed the time to get used to the physicality
Speaker 9: of things and get his body back and form for
Speaker 9: playing in season. And now you know you're looking at
Speaker 9: a window where got You know, if he's not ready
Speaker 9: by week one, you de force him out there week two.
Speaker 9: I don't think that the Cowboys should be in any
Speaker 9: rush to get Tyler gotten back.
Speaker 7: If you want Tyler.
Speaker 9: Gotten back, you make sure that he's fully healthy so
Speaker 9: there's no chance of this happening again. You make sure
Speaker 9: that he's physically ready and capable of handling that workload
Speaker 9: because they're gonna have to play some really good edge
Speaker 9: rushers this year. Like Week two against New York, You've
Speaker 9: got three guys who can get after the quarterback and
Speaker 9: Brian Burns, Abdull Carter, caveon Thibodeau and then throughout the
Speaker 9: rest of the season, you're you're gonna see that all
Speaker 9: the time as well. So you know the Bears the
Speaker 9: next week, you've got Montes sweat. So it's gonna be
Speaker 9: a tough challenge and it's gonna be a fine line
Speaker 9: the Cowboys have to walk.
Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, you are happy
Speaker 7: that it's not.
Speaker 9: A season ending injury and you're happy that you can
Speaker 9: get Tyler gotten back at some point this year and
Speaker 9: week one. If he's able to get back in time
Speaker 9: and he's able to recover that great, then even better
Speaker 9: because that's a staple of the Cowboys offensive line, not
Speaker 9: because he has played that way, but because he needs
Speaker 9: to be as a left tackle.
Speaker 1: Listen shouts out to Britt Brown and Jim Rrow for
Speaker 1: probably doing the mister Miyagi over the offended knee of
Speaker 1: Tyler Guidon because Cowboys, you know, whatever might have happened.
Speaker 1: And I say that kind of jokingly now that we
Speaker 1: have an optimistic outlook for.
Speaker 4: I did a rain dance in Southern Caro. It didn't work, But.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, considering and like you said, Nick
Speaker 1: Harrisy said this on Twitter, and it was very well put.
Speaker 1: As many torn acls as the Dallas Cowboys training staff
Speaker 1: has to unfortunately deal with on an annual basis, they
Speaker 1: they're pretty good at being able to diagnose that pre MRI. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they feared that it was torn based on their
Speaker 1: pre MRI testing. But thankfully the MRI proved that showed
Speaker 1: that it was still intact his acl is and that
Speaker 1: saves the Cowboys in a lot of ways. Number One,
Speaker 1: they don't have to and we don't have to entertain
Speaker 1: the conversation of potentially moving all pro left guard Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith out to left tackle. Thankfully, let's keep that where
Speaker 1: it is in the grave for now. It also keeps
Speaker 1: the Cowboys from having to glance potentially at a free
Speaker 1: agency pool that looks very very poor.
Speaker 8: We were talking about yesterday. It was rough.
Speaker 1: It's rough. Tyron Smith is officially retired, probably doesn't have
Speaker 1: any kind of inclination to come out of retirement. So
Speaker 1: there's that. But then when you look at names like
Speaker 1: David Boktiari, Charles Leno, Donovan Smith, yes, those are NFL
Speaker 1: veterans with a lot of skins on the wall. However,
Speaker 1: bok Tari and Leno. Neither of those guys took a
Speaker 1: single snap in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Four, and some of those guys are also retired.
Speaker 1: Not just that, but also major injury that they've dealt
Speaker 1: with recently, a hip injury, a foot in here and there.
Speaker 1: The pool of free agency looks abysmal, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better way to put it, So that turns the
Speaker 1: Cowboys inward. Now, the good news is it's like you said,
Speaker 1: and like Tommy Rope, Tyler Gotton could be back on
Speaker 1: the field as early as Week one against the Eagles,
Speaker 1: if there is an abundance of caution, maybe Week two
Speaker 1: home opener against the Giants. So now it's a much
Speaker 1: smaller issue. You're gonna look at a guy like a
Speaker 1: chem of Dnergy who's having a strong camp. You're gonna
Speaker 1: look at some of these other guys. You're gonna give
Speaker 1: what's his name, the rookie. It's his rookie six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cornelia's who just sent a guy to hell yesterday and
Speaker 1: I put that clip up on Twitter. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: look at yeah stronger. You're gonna look at some of
Speaker 1: these younger guys. You're gonna give Matt will let's go
Speaker 1: another chance to show that he can he can do something. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he battled shoulder injuries early in his career, but he's
Speaker 1: been healthy over the past year plus, so hopefully he
Speaker 1: can stay that way. Point being now, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a situation where yes, it's unfortunately Tyler gut And will
Speaker 1: miss valuable camp and preseason reps, much like last year
Speaker 1: when he dealt with some smaller injuries. However, to know
Speaker 1: that he'll be back in time to play the majority,
Speaker 1: if not the entirety of the season, when the initial
Speaker 1: fear was that he'd be lost for not just this season,
Speaker 1: but then we're having the conversation does he start next
Speaker 1: camp on the pup list? You no longer have to
Speaker 1: have those concerns, and the young man, like Tommy said,
Speaker 1: he's making strides. We're all seated in camp. We're seeing
Speaker 1: his off season changes in diet and his regiment change
Speaker 1: and his training with Tyrone Smith. We're seeing that start
Speaker 1: to pay off. You hate that he's going to miss
Speaker 1: this time, but at least he'll be back.
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 6: The fact we had people waiting on the MRI to
Speaker 6: officially report this news.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 8: I want to give kudos.
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Speaker 1: Thank you really quickly before I throw it back to you, Kyle,
Speaker 1: I'll be remiss if I didn't mention in this competition
Speaker 1: to figure out the left tackle situation. Awsome Richards. Awesome
Speaker 1: Richards is going to play into this in a big way,
Speaker 1: as far as he might be. That's why I said,
Speaker 1: I'd be remiss if I didn't miss mention awesome Richards.
Speaker 9: That's so I gotta let's let's do a little exercise here,
Speaker 9: all right, Let's say.
Speaker 1: No, no, Josh like I can do this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you also can't spell misery without mr negative. He still,
Speaker 5: So that's what I'm kind to kind of go off here.
Speaker 5: Let's say Tyler Guidan's out for week one or week two?
Speaker 7: What what do you do? What do you do at
Speaker 7: left tackle? Do you move Tyler snow back out there?
Speaker 7: Do you keep him inside? Do you what do you do?
Speaker 9: Because here's the thing, Brian Schotheimer said it over and
Speaker 9: over and over and over and over again. The best
Speaker 9: five guys are going to be out there. I think
Speaker 9: Tyler Smith is an.
Speaker 7: All Pro guard.
Speaker 9: I think he is a good left tackle. And right now,
Speaker 9: if you have a good left tackle on this team
Speaker 9: and you don't feel like you've got that behind him,
Speaker 9: or you have a serviceable left tackle behind him, then
Speaker 9: you know, and bear with me here Tyler Smith to
Speaker 9: left tackle, You move Tyler Looker to the left side
Speaker 9: where he played in college at Alabama, and then you
Speaker 9: put bra Khaffman, who stepped in last year when Zach
Speaker 9: Martin was heard at right guard. If I don't think
Speaker 9: as a temporary as a temporary solution, that is a problem.
Speaker 7: It's it's definitely not what it would make things complicated.
Speaker 7: And I don't mean to cut you off.
Speaker 9: Is Tyler Smith's contract situation, sure, because if he wants
Speaker 9: language in there about switching left tackle.
Speaker 7: And because then that money is going to change drastically.
Speaker 1: Leney is bigger.
Speaker 9: Much more than left guard money, bigger money, and I
Speaker 9: think you should be const compensated accordingly.
Speaker 7: But as a temporary solution, this was.
Speaker 4: A full season thing. I agree with you, Tyler.
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith outside, we figured it out because we've got
Speaker 5: an until the opening game. You've got an opportunity to
Speaker 5: practice him at that spot and be solidified up front.
Speaker 4: But we've seen what the roller coaster in the revolving
Speaker 4: door of.
Speaker 5: An offensive line looks like at times, especially when it
Speaker 5: involves Tyler Smith.
Speaker 4: He's an All Pro interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 5: And he's a good left tackle You're right, and I
Speaker 5: think that would have been the full solution if because
Speaker 5: you have more interior depth anyways, you've got guys like
Speaker 5: Hoffman and Bass and Jones when he comes back hopefully
Speaker 5: that you can kind of rely on. Whereas your tackle
Speaker 5: depth you don't have the same amount of confidence in it.
Speaker 5: I don't want to move my one solidified part of
Speaker 5: my offensive line for one or two games. If it's
Speaker 5: for the whole season and we can practice it and
Speaker 5: he can get the reps at left tackle, then fine,
Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna sit here and move him back
Speaker 5: and forth for a game or two just to survive.
Speaker 8: Does the opponent of week one change your mind?
Speaker 4: It should, but it doesn't because they're gonna tear you
Speaker 4: up anyways. Because what about the confidence level of Tyler Smith?
Speaker 5: If you moved him out there for week one and
Speaker 5: he's only going to be there for a week or
Speaker 5: two and he gets absolutely annihilated as a tackle, and
Speaker 5: then you have to do that and you have to
Speaker 5: move that around. I would rather Tyler Smith be healthy
Speaker 5: and in the middle of the spot he's practiced throughout
Speaker 5: the last two or three years consistently, and keep him
Speaker 5: at left.
Speaker 9: Guard if I want real quick, if you're wanting to
Speaker 9: look at week one and you plan around that opponent,
Speaker 9: then Tyler Smith needs to play left guard because you've
Speaker 9: got Jordan Davis.
Speaker 1: That's my point. This is why the opponent being the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles doesn't change the fact that I agree with
Speaker 1: Kyle wholeheartedly. Here. When you're talking about moving Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: you're talking about several things, right, because it's going to
Speaker 1: cause a rift, the shockwave down the line. Like you said,
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have to go Tyler the Booker over
Speaker 1: to left guard. You're going to have to, you know,
Speaker 1: bring bro Hoffman up and move him all those things,
Speaker 1: when in actuality, what I would prefer to do is
Speaker 1: keep the Tyler Booker, Cooper Bebe and Tyler Smith trio
Speaker 1: in the middle for George, Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter
Speaker 1: and have to deal with that front. And then I'm
Speaker 1: going to challenge Brian Schottenheimer to scheme accordingly. Knowing that
Speaker 1: you might have a little bit of a weaker spot
Speaker 1: on your left tackle, scheme for at least one week
Speaker 1: can probably help solve, solve, or at least soften that issue. Right,
Speaker 1: So whatever the play calling needs to be adjust that
Speaker 1: for week one, knowing that you're a little bit more
Speaker 1: vulnerable on the left tackle spot than you had initially
Speaker 1: planned to be, and that for me would go a
Speaker 1: long way and giving me instant confidence in Brian Schottenheimer's
Speaker 1: ability to call and handle an entire playbook. So I
Speaker 1: would I would challenge Schottenheimer in that aspect.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that could.
Speaker 6: Be as simple as having players that roll out to
Speaker 6: the right side. I mean it could be something like
Speaker 6: that where it's not only scheming for protection on the side,
Speaker 6: but rolling out.
Speaker 1: At least a couple of read options keep them off balance.
Speaker 1: And but you're really going to need to establish the
Speaker 1: run game, especially against the Philadelphia Eagles, and the better
Speaker 1: way to do that is to keep Tyler Smith right
Speaker 1: where he is.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's I think it's I'm with you as
Speaker 9: across the board. I think you know you keep Tyler
Speaker 9: Smith roy Is. I just wanted to go through the
Speaker 9: thought exercise.
Speaker 6: No, but I would argue that if we're talking best
Speaker 6: starting five, and if this is something Brian Schottenheimer believes in,
Speaker 6: I think you're right on the money. I think that
Speaker 6: is your best starting five in the case that Tyler
Speaker 6: Goyiton isn't ready to go, but it's how he arrange them.
Speaker 7: Really, Yeah, yeah, it's how you arrange them.
Speaker 9: And I think, you know, making one move instead of three,
Speaker 9: especially if it's only for a short time period, is
Speaker 9: what you need to do there. So you lean on
Speaker 9: Austin Richards and became a Dentegy who's had a good camp,
Speaker 9: and Nate Thomas, who Brian Schotenneimers brought up more than
Speaker 9: once unprompted. So I think they can figure it out there,
Speaker 9: and you can send a tight end to help all
Speaker 9: kinds of things left.
Speaker 5: To right, left tackle to right tackle. What's your starting
Speaker 5: offensive line look like week one?
Speaker 4: Go? Uh, just a guess week one without guiding.
Speaker 7: I think it's I would you?
Speaker 4: I would, yes, But what would you do?
Speaker 9: I'm going, yeah, I'm going Richards, I'm going Richards, Tyler Smith,
Speaker 9: BB Booker Steele.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's exactly my foot exactly.
Speaker 4: You would go there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 5: I would contend that Dentergy could play left tackle, but
Speaker 5: he hasn't played in the left side at any point
Speaker 5: in his career, so we would have to see it
Speaker 5: out here first.
Speaker 4: So I agree with you.
Speaker 5: That's gonna that's gonna be put Richard's there, but I
Speaker 5: bet you he gets and I d energy for those
Speaker 5: that watch the film throughout the weekends or throughout the
Speaker 5: week and they see it on the Twitter, he's seventy five.
Speaker 4: Keep that in mind. Seventy five is gonna be at
Speaker 4: playing left tackle.
Speaker 5: I think at some point over the next three weeks
Speaker 5: of camp and maybe in.
Speaker 6: The preseason, it's gonna be interesting to watch that battle
Speaker 6: for sure.
Speaker 5: And while while the whole scenario feels like we dodged
Speaker 5: a bullet and the Cowboys dodged a bullet, you look
Speaker 5: back at it and you say, man, our starting left
Speaker 5: tackle who missed time last year was graded as the
Speaker 5: one hundred and sixteenth out of one hundred and forty
Speaker 5: one offensive tackles in football according to PFF. And a
Speaker 5: guy that dealt with ankle, neck, and shoulder injuries last
Speaker 5: year is not at camp. I think if this news
Speaker 5: would have hit initially, it would have been a lot
Speaker 5: more devastating than if it came after the.
Speaker 4: Initial report of season ending.
Speaker 5: I mean, four to six weeks for a guy that
Speaker 5: needed camp is still a long time.
Speaker 1: To be out.
Speaker 9: But we were happy he's gonna be yeah, regardless, regardless,
Speaker 9: you're happy, he's gonna be back, because if it would
Speaker 9: be much more, it was the opposite, no doubt.
Speaker 4: All Right, when we come back here on Talking.
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Speaker 1: We still have a recover from that's going to be
Speaker 1: the best one mile are uh.
Speaker 5: By the way, if you're new to the show, we
Speaker 5: do a YouTube comment of the day just to have
Speaker 5: a little fun for those It's got to be witty,
Speaker 5: it's got to be encouraging.
Speaker 4: It's got to be something that will make us chuckle.
Speaker 4: You know. It could be something funny, as long as
Speaker 4: it's clean. I guess yeah.
Speaker 5: In the YouTube comments, and the first one that I
Speaker 5: saw today is going to be our YouTube comment of
Speaker 5: the day. When I opened up my laptop and I
Speaker 5: opened up YouTube, Noah said, hey, Fellas, whenever Tommy and
Speaker 5: Patrick squaring off in the forty or did it already happen?
Speaker 4: No, it did not happen.
Speaker 1: It did. We're waiting.
Speaker 7: We're waiting for you to get here.
Speaker 4: We actually were, I know, but but now I'm here,
Speaker 4: you are.
Speaker 1: What are we doing? It's it's it's actually on, tom
Speaker 1: it's whatever. I'm ready whenever. You're the challenger, So go
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 7: I'll go right now. We can do if we had
Speaker 7: a mobile, it.
Speaker 1: Can work very ollen. Did you get it done? No, seriously? Whenever?
Speaker 5: Okay, so whenever it's good, you want to try and
Speaker 5: do it, like next Monday.
Speaker 4: Sure, we gotta show Monday.
Speaker 8: We gotta show Monday.
Speaker 4: You want to do it this weekend. When's the off
Speaker 4: day of this weekend?
Speaker 1: H wow, Sunday, Sunday, Sundays third day, Sunday Sundays.
Speaker 4: The day Or do we want to do it in
Speaker 4: front of fans?
Speaker 1: Man? We can do it, no fans, front of fans.
Speaker 1: We could do it in the church service. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to me. It's gonna be the same results either way,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna you're gonna need, need, want to. He
Speaker 1: just just remember that I was minding my own business
Speaker 1: and this young man called me out. So whatever happens
Speaker 1: now is whatever.
Speaker 8: How about after practice Wednesday?
Speaker 7: I will okay, I will you want to get it
Speaker 7: out away?
Speaker 8: Well I want to?
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, not after practice. The reason I say
Speaker 1: that is because we have content to create after practice.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have something to about John you you know,
Speaker 1: as the webmaster, you know we.
Speaker 7: Have articles to write already.
Speaker 4: Listen, it's fun enough shot, Let's.
Speaker 8: Just let's just just advocate with calm.
Speaker 1: Res in Wednesday's prime. Let's just have shot high eager
Speaker 1: flu just push everybody to the side.
Speaker 4: Let's just let's not do that. Floyd said, he's smoking
Speaker 4: everybody up there.
Speaker 1: I don't know Floyd California that that that smells like
Speaker 1: a pull up, right, So come on, come on, pull up.
Speaker 4: You can get in the mix too if you want to.
Speaker 1: Anybody can get I'm spectating, anybody can come.
Speaker 4: I'm reserving all my trash talk for Oh.
Speaker 1: Now he's reserving the trash, the change in tone.
Speaker 9: I have said everything, Oh, the change everything that's needed
Speaker 9: to be said.
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm gonna smoke you, and it's I'm gonna win it.
Speaker 1: What's what's crazy for that?
Speaker 4: My friends?
Speaker 8: Because here on talking calend you to say.
Speaker 7: With said, I've said everything that I've needed to say
Speaker 7: with my I.
Speaker 1: Have the receipts and I will be dropping those receipts afterwards.
Speaker 1: Now he wants to play the cool and the humble
Speaker 1: guy because I was minding my business. I've said it once,
Speaker 1: I'll say it can just leave me be. But now
Speaker 1: that you've placed your order, when it comes from the kitchen,
Speaker 1: you don't get to send it back. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's all you got.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, we don't have to send back
Speaker 5: to the kitchen because he got a got a contract.
Speaker 5: He's sticking around for a little bit a little bit
Speaker 5: sticking around for four more years. A little contract extension
Speaker 5: for Jake Ferguson fifty two million dollars. Thirty of that
Speaker 5: guaranteed well deserved by Jake just because of the what
Speaker 5: he's meant to really the core of this offense, even
Speaker 5: though he had a down year last year, and I
Speaker 5: know he's faced some significant criticism from that. I've been
Speaker 5: very vocal on here to where I think that was
Speaker 5: a fluke. I think that was something that just didn't
Speaker 5: work out last year. One because you didn't have your
Speaker 5: starting quarterback after the Atlanta game, and two because he
Speaker 5: had dealt with the injuries all the way up until.
Speaker 4: Seemed like the Atlanta game.
Speaker 5: I think Jake Ferguson is a solid piece to continue
Speaker 5: to build around on this offense. Josh, I'll start with you,
Speaker 5: what do you think about the fifty two million dollar extension?
Speaker 5: Do you feel like it came at the right time
Speaker 5: and what does it do for Jake Ferguson's role in
Speaker 5: this offense.
Speaker 6: Well, I couldn't be happier for Jake Ferguson, first off.
Speaker 6: Second off, the fact that they're getting it done early.
Speaker 6: This is something that the fans have been out of
Speaker 6: advocating for a long time, and I'm sure the front
Speaker 6: office wants to do that all the time.
Speaker 8: It's like, yeah, let's get ahead of this. Coming off of.
Speaker 6: His statistically worst season. He didn't have a touchdown last season,
Speaker 6: and granted it's for a lot of reasons, but not
Speaker 6: to He didn't give any excuses for it either. He
Speaker 6: just said it needed to be better, and he said
Speaker 6: that coming off of last season, to prepare the same
Speaker 6: way going into the last season for this season would
Speaker 6: be the definition of insanity. He wants different results than
Speaker 6: he had last season. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Speaker 6: But in terms of getting the deal done, you love
Speaker 6: to see that. You love to see how that might
Speaker 6: impact getting more deals done. As we get through the
Speaker 6: rest of camp, let's get like, I don't know, one
Speaker 6: more today, one more tomorrow, one more you know, like,
Speaker 6: let's just keep going down and keeping the guys that matter.
Speaker 8: This is a guy that is staying for all the
Speaker 8: right reasons.
Speaker 6: And the fact that they got that Linda Wells is
Speaker 6: back with the Cowboys on the coaching staff, I think
Speaker 6: it was very indicative from the beginning that like, Okay,
Speaker 6: we're gonna have Jake Ferguson around for a minute, not
Speaker 6: only for his role and his relationship with Dak Prescott,
Speaker 6: but now you keep Linda Well's yeah, and that is
Speaker 6: all more telling to how he's going to contribute to
Speaker 6: the offense.
Speaker 1: I think it's the perfect storm for Jake Ferguson to
Speaker 1: have a bounce back season as long as Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: can remain healthy and the Cowboys offensive line can keep
Speaker 1: him upright, I think that you know, Jake Ferguson is
Speaker 1: set to potentially have another pro bo season. Here's why
Speaker 1: I say that when you look at the weapons that
Speaker 1: were present when he had his Pro Bowl season two
Speaker 1: years ago, versus the fact that now you have a
Speaker 1: George Pickens on the roster to tandem with Cede Lamb,
Speaker 1: and then again, assuming that Dak Prescott plays the entire season,
Speaker 1: offensive line comes together. You can't defend everybody, You simply can't.
Speaker 1: And Jake Ferguson's style of play, attacking the scene, getting
Speaker 1: yalls after the catch, his aggressive dog mentality. He's one
Speaker 1: of the enforcers on the offensive side of the ball. Biscuit.
Speaker 1: He is a big biscuit. Per him, he is a
Speaker 1: big Biscuit. Big Biscuit was in the air a few times.
Speaker 1: Might see him in the air again this season. I
Speaker 1: think that you know, it's it's easy and it's justifiable
Speaker 1: for fans to wonder about the timing coming off of
Speaker 1: the worst year that he's seen as a pro. But again,
Speaker 1: if you look at what he's done prior, and then
Speaker 1: you look at what he did at the collegiate level,
Speaker 1: that was a complete aberration. He could not find chemistry
Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush. He battled the concussion, he battled the
Speaker 1: nie brain. He's healthy now, he looks good, he's moving well.
Speaker 1: So I think that he's earned the money. And one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that he was awarded that is because
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't set the market. Right, he is
Speaker 1: mathematically the highest paid tight end in the in franchise history,
Speaker 1: but he didn't set the market. Okay, but all things
Speaker 1: being told, he's the definitive leader of that tight ends room.
Speaker 1: He and Lounda Wales their relationship. I reported on that
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com had an exclusive Q and
Speaker 1: A with Lounde Whales. He couldn't be more thrilled that
Speaker 1: Jake is return. Jake could not have been more thrilled
Speaker 1: that Lound Wales chose to return this off season. Now
Speaker 1: they're going to be together for you know, hopefully years
Speaker 1: to come, and that makes it That makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense as far as the productivity goes, because consistency,
Speaker 1: it's really just hard to beat that with continuity.
Speaker 6: And you're talking about a guy that big dogs Jamal
Speaker 6: Adams in Seattle. I mean, come on, you love to
Speaker 6: see that, and that's a guy that you want to
Speaker 6: enter team for a team that was lacking dogs arguably
Speaker 6: over the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 8: You want to keep guys like that around.
Speaker 5: That might be my favorite play by play call, just
Speaker 5: from like a fan standpoint I've ever made, because that
Speaker 5: was the game I filled in for Brad and.
Speaker 8: He brings it up all the time.
Speaker 5: It's all right, well, no, it's because it made talking
Speaker 5: cowboys like come out in me, because I was like,
Speaker 5: that play was so badass that it.
Speaker 4: Made the talking cowboys element like pops out in the play.
Speaker 5: And if you go back and listen to it, it's
Speaker 5: like Fergie goes up to again. Jabal Adams was over
Speaker 5: the top, but it doesn't matter. And you had that
Speaker 5: in the call and I was like, this is awesome.
Speaker 5: The play that he made was incredible, and he went
Speaker 5: up and grabbed it over the top of him and
Speaker 5: just like you said, big dog the dude.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely.
Speaker 5: That's the thing is for fans that are complaining or
Speaker 5: criticizing or criticizing the lawnmower behind us.
Speaker 8: Keep up the good work man.
Speaker 5: For those that are criticizing this deal in the way
Speaker 5: when it got done, and this is where you want
Speaker 5: it to get done. If you're a fan of the
Speaker 5: Cowboys in the front office, it comes after a down year,
Speaker 5: so the contract's cheaper than what it could be at
Speaker 5: the end of an incredible year.
Speaker 4: Also, not to mention, if you get any ounce of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Three, Jake Ferguson, Yeah, then you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: This contract's gonna be well well well worth it.
Speaker 5: You go back and you look at he had seven
Speaker 5: hundred and ninety yards back in twenty twenty three. That
Speaker 5: was behind guys like George Kittle, Travis Kelcey, Evan Ingram, TJ.
Speaker 5: Hawk In, Sam Laporta, David and Joku, Trey McBride.
Speaker 4: Good company, that's it.
Speaker 1: It's good company.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 5: He's above every other tight end in the NFL in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, So if he can get back to that,
Speaker 5: and that's not saying he's the best tight end in
Speaker 5: the NFL. That's saying he needs to be in that
Speaker 5: same category and some of those other guys.
Speaker 4: If he's in that category, I think this is a
Speaker 4: deal well done.
Speaker 1: And I'll said this really quickly before you tap in
Speaker 1: Tommy when it comes to your initial question, Kyle, who
Speaker 1: might that now open the door for what I've learned
Speaker 1: in covering the Cowboys, particularly as far as their training
Speaker 1: camp negotiations, sometimes it only takes one deal to break
Speaker 1: the damn for the next two or three deals to land.
Speaker 1: We saw that not so long ago when it was
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs, MALIEK. Cooker, Donovan Wilson. Okay, that could very
Speaker 1: well be a situation here this time around. Now hopefully
Speaker 1: that will involve Michael, but that's a much different conversation
Speaker 1: as far as the size of that particular deal. But
Speaker 1: I could very well see maybe a dran Bland negotiation
Speaker 1: going well for them following this Jake Ferguson negotiation. We'll
Speaker 1: see if Tyler Smith's negotiate because his agent was on
Speaker 1: the field talking to the executives yesterday, so those talks
Speaker 1: are in play as well. So again I'll say, normally
Speaker 1: it only takes one contract to land and then you
Speaker 1: will see like two or three others kind of land
Speaker 1: in the domino. Effit.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you guys hit the nail on the
Speaker 9: head in terms of Ferguson and what that means. I
Speaker 9: don't even think he needs to have a twenty twenty
Speaker 9: three esque season. I just think he needs to be
Speaker 9: a reliable safety blanket for Dak Prescott, and if he
Speaker 9: does that at a consistent level, then he's going to
Speaker 9: be just fine, have a good year, and the Cowboys
Speaker 9: offense is going to be better for it.
Speaker 7: I do like the point you made about is does this.
Speaker 9: Open the door for more negotiations, Because we were talking
Speaker 9: to Steven Jones the other day that was asked, he said,
Speaker 9: somebody asked I think it was Todd Archer asked him.
Speaker 9: Coaches say the turnovers coming bunches. Can deal's coming bunches.
Speaker 9: So sure it takes two though, Yeah, it takes two.
Speaker 9: And that's what this front office has said from the
Speaker 9: jump with everybody that they've been at that they've been
Speaker 9: apart with you know, obviously Michael Parsons is the big
Speaker 9: one right now that everybody's looking at, and the front
Speaker 9: office has been adamant about that. It takes two to
Speaker 9: tango there. But I was on the fan this morning
Speaker 9: and they asked me a good question. It was like,
Speaker 9: Deron Bland, Michael Parsons, Tyler Smith, in what order do
Speaker 9: you think they sign? And I'm curious as to y'all's
Speaker 9: thoughts on this as well. I said, Smith, Parsons, Bland.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Well. Initially when camp started and I
Speaker 1: said this on camping out, I said, I believe that
Speaker 1: Deron Bland will be the first one to jump out.
Speaker 1: Happy to say I was wrong, especially considering who got
Speaker 1: the deal done first. Jake Ferguson, big fan of ferg
Speaker 1: I still want to go with Deron Bland. Nicks hearing
Speaker 1: some whispers that things are moving positively with Tyler Smith.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to agree with Tommy here. I'm going
Speaker 1: to say I think because I'm hearing whispers, I think
Speaker 1: things are moving positively. I'm gonna say Smith, Bland, Michael.
Speaker 1: I think Michael bookends it. I think he's the biggest
Speaker 1: obviously he's the biggest flash, but I think his is
Speaker 1: what it kind of sets the tone for the season.
Speaker 5: It's interesting because they all have different situations. Yes, very
Speaker 5: between the three specific players and the guard get paid
Speaker 5: this morning or yesterday. Boy, I wouldn't know about that one.
Speaker 9: It was tackle clanking on his name charge chargers right,
Speaker 9: thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so another offensive line sounds like I didn't see
Speaker 1: a guard, but you keep.
Speaker 4: Yes, later got paid. That was a big one.
Speaker 5: But when you look at the the three situations, Tyler Smith,
Speaker 5: Michael Parks, is Ron Blanddron Bland, out of all three
Speaker 5: of those guys, has the biggest chip on his shoulder
Speaker 5: to either have an incredible season out here and try
Speaker 5: and cash in on it and bet on himself, or
Speaker 5: to get a deal done now where his stock is
Speaker 5: still very high, because there's a lot of pressure on him,
Speaker 5: not not by a fault of his own, but by
Speaker 5: the fault of missing some games last year and the
Speaker 5: fault of guys around him not being healthy. Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 5: savone rebel guys like that that he's going to have
Speaker 5: to rely on outside of him. He's going to be
Speaker 5: tested against the number one receivers. At this point in time,
Speaker 5: he will face team's number ones.
Speaker 4: That's just where we are as a ball club.
Speaker 5: So if the cornerback position stays as light as he does,
Speaker 5: darn Blant may want to try and get this done
Speaker 5: now because if he has a down year, his contract
Speaker 5: worth isn't gonna be there as much now.
Speaker 4: The team may not want to echo that sentiment.
Speaker 5: Whereas Tyler Smith, he's he could play out this year,
Speaker 5: he could take as long as he wants because he
Speaker 5: has played at the high level and he can kind
Speaker 5: of sit back on that same thing that Micah did
Speaker 5: last year going into last year, and then Micah of
Speaker 5: course is where he is now. So it really all
Speaker 5: kind of pieces together differently. But if I wouldn't have
Speaker 5: heard the Tyler Smith whispers as well, like I would
Speaker 5: probably say.
Speaker 4: Bland gets it done because he's.
Speaker 5: Got the encouragement and he's got the reason to go
Speaker 5: and get it done now.
Speaker 6: Well, if you think of Deron Bland not also being
Speaker 6: here the past few days to welcome his child in
Speaker 6: the world, I think that's a big part of why
Speaker 6: maybe those whispers have kind of quieted. He obviously had
Speaker 6: some family stuff that he needs to deal with at
Speaker 6: this point, I would probably say Tyler Smith first, then
Speaker 6: Deron Bland, and then Micah. It's gonna be one of
Speaker 6: those I feel. I don't know any I feel it
Speaker 6: would be one of those things, similar to Dak when
Speaker 6: he got his deal done right before Week one like that.
Speaker 6: I think it was the morning of that game, So
Speaker 6: that to me kind of feels indicative. But you're talking
Speaker 6: about Deron Bland, who wants to get his deal done
Speaker 6: and shot. He's talked about how versatile he's going to
Speaker 6: be out here, and seeing him on the field this year,
Speaker 6: I mean, he's not just going to play that outside spot,
Speaker 6: which is what we're kind of accustomed to from him.
Speaker 6: I think his versatility is going to help him ultimately
Speaker 6: because this coaching staff wants him here. I want him here,
Speaker 6: the fans want him here because of that incredible season
Speaker 6: that he had. Hopefully he's able to build on it
Speaker 6: and not say it was a fluke.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's everything that Josh, Tommy and Cole have all said
Speaker 1: collectively about Deron Blaine and I'm going to add this
Speaker 1: because we're speaking about how he was he his family
Speaker 1: were blessed enough to welcome a child just to the family.
Speaker 1: I'm going to speak on this as a father. Okay,
Speaker 1: So as a father. If you look at it from
Speaker 1: that angle, I could see Deron Bland wanting to lock
Speaker 1: up job security. I could see him wanting to make
Speaker 1: sure that he and his family are is completely set,
Speaker 1: especially with a new born looking him in the eyes.
Speaker 1: And I asked him about it yesterday, like does this
Speaker 1: ad now? Does it? But how does it add added
Speaker 1: motivation as far as now that your father and whatnot?
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, knowing that you have to
Speaker 1: set the tone. You have to be the role model,
Speaker 1: and you have to set the example. I hear those
Speaker 1: father that father energy coming from him now. So not
Speaker 1: only is he looking to have a strong season, but
Speaker 1: you mentioned something Kle that the front office has to
Speaker 1: want to do it as well. Here's why I think
Speaker 1: they should want to do it. For everything that Josh said.
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs is on Puff right now, Savon Revel is
Speaker 1: on n F five. You just lost Kailyn Carson for
Speaker 1: four to six weeks, and then that's him trying to
Speaker 1: work back from a season ending shoulder injury last season.
Speaker 1: Right now, you have Kyer elim standing out. Okay, and
Speaker 1: Andrew Booth left practice, that's TBD. What's the situation there?
Speaker 1: And he just had one of his best practices. Right
Speaker 1: You signed Christian Matthew, who's reuniting with Matt Eberflus from
Speaker 1: their short time in Chicago together. But you have so
Speaker 1: many question marks to answer at cornerback right now? Which
Speaker 1: question mark do you not have? Prison it's Deron Blan.
Speaker 1: The only question mark you have for Deron Blan is
Speaker 1: can you get back to first team All Pro status?
Speaker 1: But as far as the foot injury being anomalous to
Speaker 1: his durability, he's He's your versatile, versatile guy, you're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out multiple positions. He's your durable guy. He's
Speaker 1: your all pro that's present in accounting for right now.
Speaker 1: I think the front office wants to get the deal done.
Speaker 1: I think Deron Blan wants to get the deal done.
Speaker 1: I think now that he's back in the building, can
Speaker 1: grease the wheels a little.
Speaker 4: Bit, maybe can get things going there.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting because he could also be one
Speaker 5: guy that the Cowboys want to let play out throughout
Speaker 5: the season on himself and see what happens. That's what
Speaker 5: I'm because then we gotta go to break here. But
Speaker 5: then it comes down to him or George Pickens too,
Speaker 5: because George Pickens is gonna be a big contract at
Speaker 5: the end of the year that you know will be
Speaker 5: played out.
Speaker 1: Don't get me started on the Sailary cap. You've got space,
Speaker 1: you can make space.
Speaker 4: You can make it happen.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, there's gonna be another contract
Speaker 5: that's about the hit, and you're gonna have three of
Speaker 5: the highest paid players in the NFL on your roster
Speaker 5: at the same time. There is ways, there are ways
Speaker 5: to finangle you are, Yeah, but I don't know if
Speaker 5: it's going off that much.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: When we come back on Talking Cowboys, we wrap things
Speaker 5: up with some defensive dominance. We've seen some good things
Speaker 5: out of the defense over the last couple of days.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 5: One of those might be that corner that you mentioned
Speaker 5: in ki eir Elam. How big could he be for
Speaker 5: this Cowboys team in twenty twenty five? More Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 5: in the front.
Speaker 8: It's nice, it's nice to look at it. It's like
Speaker 8: it's like we have an audience for real.
Speaker 4: Beam.
Speaker 8: I'll take you in the front any day, Beam, and
Speaker 8: then on.
Speaker 4: The back to watch. You know, I wish we had
Speaker 4: a live audience. That'd be fun.
Speaker 5: I know Nick Eatman's trying to find something like that
Speaker 5: happening through storyline very soon.
Speaker 4: But kick off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, Beam, we love you.
Speaker 5: I love you and all your hard work out here.
Speaker 5: You do a great job. They like you when you're
Speaker 5: behind them, Beam.
Speaker 4: All right, Uh, let's get into the defense.
Speaker 5: At times it feels like the defense has been behind
Speaker 5: the offense. But I think right now you can say
Speaker 5: the defense is in front of the offense and the
Speaker 5: way that they've kind of worked their way into this
Speaker 5: turnover heavy run to the football sort of Matt Eberflu's mentality.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's been fun to watch out here in practice.
Speaker 4: Patrick.
Speaker 5: I'll start with you, whatever you've been your your initial
Speaker 5: reactions on the defense, Well.
Speaker 1: I think the defense is doing exactly what they're setting
Speaker 1: out to do. We saw and heard Brian Schottenheimer said
Speaker 1: that he expects this Cowboys defense to be one of
Speaker 1: the best in the league when it comes to taking
Speaker 1: the ball away, and they're doing exactly that. Seems like
Speaker 1: they do it every day. And actually it's not that
Speaker 1: it seems like they're doing it every day. They actually
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 4: They have done it.
Speaker 8: They actually do.
Speaker 1: It every day. And on top of that, now that
Speaker 1: the pads are on, I mean, you're seeing guys fly around.
Speaker 1: Malik Hooker had the best day of his camp so far.
Speaker 1: Uh and you could argue that his intensity spilled over
Speaker 1: just a little bit because Brian Schottenheimer said that he's
Speaker 1: seeing too many guys on the ground. Apparently Millie Cooker
Speaker 1: did not get that memo, because he was in fact
Speaker 1: putting some guys on the ground. But he couldn't help himself.
Speaker 1: He's he's playing. Yesterday, he was practicing like his hair
Speaker 1: was on fire and.
Speaker 4: Stopped pick up his footing. He slept on a screen.
Speaker 4: He looked up and.
Speaker 1: But that's the that's the level of intensity. You got.
Speaker 4: Guys like chance to break down and like veer off
Speaker 4: and he did not.
Speaker 1: Why do that when you can just wake a guy up. Okay,
Speaker 1: hooker's playing to that level or practicing to that level.
Speaker 1: Sam Williams, Uh, he's champing at the bit to the
Speaker 1: point where he's barking in meetings, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So rather it be those guys or.
Speaker 4: Some of the other guest Parks sounded like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go with it.
Speaker 1: I figure it had some bass. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was more rocking.
Speaker 4: Impression is what I'm trying to get to.
Speaker 1: There it is, Okay, I I've got good practice doing that.
Speaker 1: And why is that? Tell me? Why do I have
Speaker 1: good practice? Because go dogs?
Speaker 4: What is your best impression? Josh, what do you think
Speaker 4: it was?
Speaker 1: That's what Sam?
Speaker 8: Maybe you never know. I'm not gonna judge me.
Speaker 4: That's that's exactly my thought on your impression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to bring it from the chest, from
Speaker 1: the inside, from the innards. But the defense is flying around,
Speaker 1: you know, even though they're supposed to be in thudding,
Speaker 1: only their guys on the ground, they're intercepting the ball. Uh,
Speaker 1: They're challenging the offense to take the next steps. And
Speaker 1: this ultimately should be an iron stoppings iron situation before
Speaker 1: it's all sit and done.
Speaker 6: First thing I'm seeing when it comes to the defense,
Speaker 6: I was very concerned after losing Al Harris last offseason.
Speaker 6: To me, I don't think the secondary has taken a
Speaker 6: step back because David Overstreet has done an amazing job
Speaker 6: with the secondary so far.
Speaker 8: And just seeing their bond grow as we get energy,
Speaker 8: His energy, the the the But.
Speaker 6: The bond between the secondary so far has been a
Speaker 6: parent You see them picking the ball off like crazy,
Speaker 6: you see them celebrating, you see them encouraging each other.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what you want to see. Obviously we're here
Speaker 6: at training camp. It all depends, and I talked about it,
Speaker 6: what was it last episode recorder on Thursday where it's like,
Speaker 6: does this concern you how much the defense is taking
Speaker 6: the ball away? But I just think it's all encompassing
Speaker 6: of how the team is reacting and like they're scoring practice,
Speaker 6: the coaching staff is scoring practice. I think that's I
Speaker 6: haven't heard of that before. To me, it just sounds
Speaker 6: like they have the right mentality going into it. I
Speaker 6: have questions on other sides of the defense, but at
Speaker 6: least the secondary currently is is shining.
Speaker 4: Safeties or are you talking corner rotation to.
Speaker 8: Corner corner safety.
Speaker 5: Mollie Cooker is a stands played really well, another standout
Speaker 5: if he's on the field, and that's that's that's the
Speaker 5: fun problem.
Speaker 4: When they're on the field, are they gonna be fine?
Speaker 4: Are they? Are they good?
Speaker 5: But they haven't been on the field a whole lot.
Speaker 5: I mean, the secondary I agree with you is when
Speaker 5: they're out there. Give a lot of credit to this
Speaker 5: coaching staff for what they've done with kyer elm might
Speaker 5: be the biggest pickup of the off season and we
Speaker 5: haven't even played a game yet. Yeah, he may be
Speaker 5: the biggest acquisition in this offseason, not counting the NFL Draft,
Speaker 5: but that they made from a trade or a signing
Speaker 5: or what it.
Speaker 6: Wasn't making moves when we when that move was made
Speaker 6: and when that trade was made.
Speaker 5: He's kind of like he could be a starter even
Speaker 5: after everybody comes back.
Speaker 4: You can find his way into a rotation. If kyer
Speaker 4: Elan plays like this and he's your fourth corner, what.
Speaker 1: Are you talking?
Speaker 5: That would be a we would feel so much better
Speaker 5: about this group came back.
Speaker 1: It also bears mentioning that in the Dan Quinn era,
Speaker 1: we know that Dan Quinn was responsible for this Cowboys
Speaker 1: defense leading the league in takeaways.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Two training camps would go they were taking the ball
Speaker 1: away just like they are right now, and two years
Speaker 1: ago Dak Prescott went on to become NFL MVP running row. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys defense is taking the ball away as
Speaker 1: it relates to Oh, well, I'm concerned that the offense
Speaker 1: is not give them time to jail. They'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I want to see the defense doing exactly what he's
Speaker 1: doing right.
Speaker 7: Now, and you want to see a good balance, right.
Speaker 4: I think it's always.
Speaker 9: Good to have balance between the two because you don't
Speaker 9: want one side just dominating the other all the time,
Speaker 9: because then that tells you that one side isn't as
Speaker 9: strong as the other.
Speaker 6: That was exactly how I felt last year when I
Speaker 6: was like, this defense looks good, man, and then it
Speaker 6: was that constantly all of last camp, and I was like, man,
Speaker 6: this defense is something, and it was more so indicative
Speaker 6: of how the offense is going to operate and how
Speaker 6: kind of just not gelling they were. They didn't have
Speaker 6: the juice really last year, especially in terms of like
Speaker 6: running back. But yeah, I think what you're saying, balance
Speaker 6: is key here.
Speaker 9: And I'll say this with Matty Erfluss's defense, you're more
Speaker 9: than likely gonna get two things. You're gonna stop the run,
Speaker 9: You're gonna turn the ball over. And one thing I
Speaker 9: think he's getting this year that he didn't get as
Speaker 9: much in Chicago is these guys are.
Speaker 7: Gonna get after the quarterback. Oh, these guys are going
Speaker 7: to get after the quarterback.
Speaker 9: Dak Prescott has been in the trenches sometimes in these
Speaker 9: practices because he just doesn't have the time to throw.
Speaker 9: The pocket collapses on him so fast. And it's because
Speaker 9: the Cowboys defense has a plethora of edge rushers. They
Speaker 9: can get home and can get to the quarterback, which
Speaker 9: is something that Maddy Briflus just didn't have in Chicago
Speaker 9: and now he does.
Speaker 5: I think when you look at this defense in this
Speaker 5: competition that they're having with the offense, like you said,
Speaker 5: I haven't heard of it scored as diligently, but people
Speaker 5: kind of keep track of it, and that's kind of
Speaker 5: where it is. But I mean, like to your point,
Speaker 5: Brian Schottenheimer's like, Yeah, the defense won this drill.
Speaker 4: The offense won this trial, the defense won this drill,
Speaker 4: and then we went.
Speaker 5: To a tiebreaker that included props in the pads early
Speaker 5: on just to break the tide for the day. So
Speaker 5: the defense or offense, whatever it was, won the day.
Speaker 5: So all of that that plays into that competition element
Speaker 5: every day. The fact that it is as even as
Speaker 5: it has been and it is a back and forth.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what you want to see. And that plays
Speaker 5: to what Tommy was just talking about. You have to
Speaker 5: see consistency because if the offense is dominating on one end,
Speaker 5: and I think they have at certain points of this camp,
Speaker 5: but then the defense is answered back and then it's
Speaker 5: been back and forth from there. And so I thought
Speaker 5: yesterday I thought the offense looked better. I would have
Speaker 5: said the off.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, time looked cleaner.
Speaker 5: Even though Schottenheimer said that they won Saturday's practice, I
Speaker 5: thought Saturday was a lot of run game, a lot
Speaker 5: of ground stuff, and the passing game was very shaky.
Speaker 5: Going back and watching yesterday, it looked like they found
Speaker 5: some rhythm on the offensive side in the passing game.
Speaker 5: And if you can continue to have that back and forth,
Speaker 5: I think this is going to be a really productive.
Speaker 1: As rooted in the offensive line starting to come together.
Speaker 1: So that's why it would have been that much more
Speaker 1: devastating if you lose Tyler Guiden for the season, because
Speaker 1: Guyden had another strong game, strong practice yesterday, as you
Speaker 1: alluded to, especially against Ezraku. And we can't stress just
Speaker 1: enough although israk who is a rookie And this is
Speaker 1: not the hype machine because I don't do the hype machine,
Speaker 1: but based upon what I'm seeing and also what coaches
Speaker 1: are saying, and I posted on Twitter yesterday.
Speaker 8: Look at you can't look at what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Look at old Diggi Zoo's face when I asked him
Speaker 1: what impresses him most about Israeko? Just go look at
Speaker 1: his facial expression because that'll tell more than the actual
Speaker 1: quote itself. There's an elation that kind of washed over
Speaker 1: his face, like this kid when you get a guy
Speaker 1: of that caliber osa having that kind of reaction talking
Speaker 1: about a rookie. And then you on the flip side,
Speaker 1: you see Tyler Guidon being able at least fifty percent
Speaker 1: of the time, more often than fifty percent of the
Speaker 1: time winning those reps. Guytan is on the right pass
Speaker 1: so the offensive line is jelling you hate that guy
Speaker 1: is going to miss the entirety of the preseason and
Speaker 1: the rest of training camp. But hopefully when he comes back,
Speaker 1: he can pick right back up where he's leaving off.
Speaker 4: And he had some ups and downs.
Speaker 5: He had some good things that he did, he had
Speaker 5: some bad things that he did, and there was a
Speaker 5: lot of hype around him. I think a lot of
Speaker 5: it was hope instead of hype. And the hype started
Speaker 5: for me yesterday before the injury, and so that was
Speaker 5: when he went down. It was really it was a
Speaker 5: devastating one. Best wishes to Tyler and all the other guys.
Speaker 5: I mean, there have been a long list of injuries already. Yeah,
Speaker 5: some of them more severe than others. But hopefully we'll.
Speaker 4: Get those guys back here Richards pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Show me you're awesome.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a big one for awesome Richards over
Speaker 5: the next couple weeks.
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