WEBVTT - Rorschach w/ Jama Williamson 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.600 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:29.720 Done done, Yay, that's messed up. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.200 A SVU podcast. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.960 I'm Liza Trigger and I'm Kara Klank And every week 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.640 we break down an episode of SVU. We talk about 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.080 the true crime its based on, and we interview a 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:45.360 celeb guest and first we chat up top and this 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.440 is our first time chatting. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.000 It's our, it's our. When does this episode come out? 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.080 I'm like, I don't even I don't know when it 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:57.200 comes out. But we are acording on the anniversary of 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.800 January sixth, which we love to do. We do this 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.600 every I love to record on January six a stain 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.600 on our country, but a positive, funny thing for us. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.559 I don't know who can remember. Who can remember January sixth? 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.720 Where now there's January like second or whatever, now there's 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.440 or the third, whatever just happened? 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.520 Like well, the funniest thing is I remember January sixth, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.880 and I remember finding out the information. I'm watching a 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.240 video of people climbing into the Capitol and my friend 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.840 who's no longer my friend calls me you probably know 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.600 who this is and starts complaining about someone blaming her 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:30.920 for getting COVID and like is complaining about the most 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.600 stupid stuff, And I'd be like, yeah, the people are 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:40.000 climbing into the Capitol. I really would. I just I'm busy, 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.119 Like I just remember being like I can't but now 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.360 it's like this, everyone's pardon, nothing happened. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:45.920 It didn't matter. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.800 But when you're watching people attack the building, you get Bob. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.240 And she was just like can you believe that she's 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.800 called her and said this? And I go, I think 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.600 we're under attack. I can't really focus. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.520 I have the opposite where I think of your friend 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.880 every time I think of January sixth, because she's the 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.440 one that wrote it into our group chat. Oh and 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.480 was like and I was like, she was like, you guys, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.920 someone people are attacking the capital and I was like okay, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:10.280 And then. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.079 I like googled it and was like, oh my god. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.120 She's the one that like broke the news to me, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:16.880 so I kind of always think about her being like, no, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.200 this is a huge deal, and I was like, ah, 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:20.800 like so nuts. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.320 But it ended up not mattering at all. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.400 Yeah, people tried to well, yeah, there was an interview 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:27.919 I guess with. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:28.480 Pence or something. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.840 He's like, yeah, AOC used to be chill as fuck, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.080 and then it changed after January sixth. I don't know 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.639 what happened. And they're like, you tried to murder her. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.919 They tried to murder her, and I don't know. It's yeah, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.600 they tried to murder Mike Pence. I know, but I 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.280 need give a fuck. He's too busy pretending that to 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.040 be gay talking about gay. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.680 He did Rivalry. I'll give you till next week to 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.720 watch it. I will, yes, please give me a little 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:53.840 bit more time. I'm on it. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.000 Yeah, I because you know I'm horned. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.760 I mean, if someone videotaped me on all my flights 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.040 on my phone, they would think I probably had a 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:05.120 mental disorder. My whole feet, every single video, every video, 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.960 If if anything is on my phone that's not heated rivalry, 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.160 I scroll up immediately. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:15.799 My phone's not even trying wait wild Okay, that's so funny. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.600 But first of all, can I also just really quickly 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.200 say that I heard that in New York City there 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.280 is a wall of all the people from January sixth, 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.280 with pictures of them and breakdowns of who they are. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:30.000 So if you want to visit that, I saw it 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:35.280 on TikTok but yes, okay, so on my other podcast, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.040 Who's the Bitch. Jackie has Been was an early adopter 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.120 of fucking Heated Rivalry and told. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.680 Me about it and I was like, okay, like, yeah, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:46.440 I'll put it on that yeah reads yeah, yes, a week. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:52.360 Within a week, it was like all over everything, like 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:53.560 it was just so crazy. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.320 I was even slow. I was on a sports part. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.320 They asked me about it. I go, I don't know whatever, 0:03:58.360 --> 0:03:59.840 and then people are like the Russian, the Russian. You 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:01.720 got to listen to the Russian. And I go, well 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.800 he's Russian, and they go, the bitch is from Texas. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.680 But what's fun. Yeah, he's from Adessa, Texas. I'm from 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.280 a Dessa, Ukraine. Oh my god. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.280 But his rush. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:15.040 I mean, I am watching these edits tearing up on flights. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.560 I can't be. I am like enthralled by it in 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.120 so many different avenues. And not to fully brag, but 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.440 the writer of the books followed me on Instagram yesterday. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.960 Ooh, I DMed her. She seems great. I don't know. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.799 I mean, is the Russian good? Is the guy's Russian good? 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.680 It is the best TV movie Russian by a non 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.400 Russian that's ever happened. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.320 And in a GQ interview, the. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.560 Dialect coach like the director doesn't know what's actually happening, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.920 so he turns to her to be like, how was that? 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.000 Because he has this huge monologue and she goes he 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.520 humbles me why I'm getting chills thinking about I'm gonna 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.480 like start crying like the way. And it's the fact 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.160 that he only had three weeks to prepare. I really 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.960 don't know how he did it. Like his Russian he 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:03.920 had to learn how to say I don't really speak 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.520 Russian for the other Russian actors because they all thought 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:11.000 he spoke Russian. Oh my god. Because it's also because 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.520 then I started watching the press and I'm like, that's 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.279 a different person. Like his physicality, the vibe, it's so Soviet. 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.200 It's it's incredible what these guys have done and the 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:26.880 writer director, it's just like incredible television on a small budget, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:27.360 all of it. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:28.360 They are incredible. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.840 It's also it's like very sexual, but the tension, but 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.920 the Russian is incredible. It puts every But we've always 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:36.600 said this Nicole kidman didn't do it. Orange is the 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.960 New Black wasn't good, and the Americans wasn't good. It's 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.200 a hard thing to do. Yeah, and he's a very gift. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.760 They're gifted young men, and he like nails it and 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:45.800 in a huge way. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:46.960 Yeah. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:48.600 I feel like a lot of actors feel like they 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.000 can nail the speaking English in a Russian accent. 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.240 But they but they do that bad too. 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.160 They do that bad, like he It's kind of like 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.480 playing drunk, where you downplay it. You're suppose sit down 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.800 play it like no one had like And I feel 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.120 when people do it, they up this like accent. But 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:06.840 usually people are trying to assimilate. 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:07.720 Yeah. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:12.200 So, and I think he just the it's subtler. It's 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.160 I can't, I really can't even. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.120 Oh my god, I love this. Okay, I'm it's on 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:17.920 my list for this week. I'm doing it this week. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.080 We finished the Horses. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:19.880 I'm done. 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:25.800 Yeah, this television series is moving you to tears. I 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.560 mean it has a nine point one on IMDb out 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.520 of ten. I don't think that's even I've ever seen 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.640 anything above eight on IMDb. The biggest hateration like squad 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.160 of the of the Internet. It's ninety eight on rotten tomatoes. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.719 I mean, but my goal in the hote New Year's 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.600 is about not about changing yourself a new person resolution. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.080 But my I do have a goal this year, and 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.239 it's to cut my spending in half. So my phone 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.960 keeps showing me, you know, his Jersey's crop top. You know, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.080 I want the crop tops my phone every every five 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.880 enemy in this resolution, Oh a wood This just showed 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:00.839 me like a wooden stead two of the two the 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.640 mice from Cinderella. My phone knows I'm trying to quit spending. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.600 It's like fucked. In the old year, a ba bar 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.960 sweater was thirty percent off, but I was like New Year, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.480 I'm not. So we'll see if I end up buying 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.080 a heated rivalry crop top or not, but hopefully I can. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.160 I mean, maybe it's like you get to a certain 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.440 goal by the end of the month, and then you 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.600 reward yourself with a heated rivalry crop top. I think 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.320 that could work, you know, like just like work towards goal, 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:24.239 work towards miniature. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.640 Yes, you know your goal is to watch it by 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.640 next time, but only six yeah, oh, I'm I can 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.040 I can finish that yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:33.960 no problem. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.720 And I would make sure the kids are in bed. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.280 Oh please, my kids won't won't watch a second of 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.080 anything that I have on. Please, Like they come and 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.000 want Housewives is on and they're like, what is this? 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.000 So that's not happening. Uh so wait, how was your Christmas? 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.600 We I know it's mid January, but we haven't spoken. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.119 I need I need to know about the something old, 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.280 I mean something not crossing blue. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.600 Soft because a lot I was at a wed, I 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.960 was everywhere I did for cities in seven days. Check 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:08.080 with a check bag, I mean, but before any I mean, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:13.600 I'm like overwhelmed. The Backstrep Boys at the Sphere was 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.760 the best night of my life, the best of my life. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.360 It is the best concert, It's the best venue if 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:25.360 there's awards for venues, architecture, design effects. But I am 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.200 I was blown away. I was on a different planet. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:35.400 And if there's a possibility for you guys to go, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.320 I'm because we saw them and I assumed it would 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:43.200 be similar setlists. They opened with the closer from Last Time, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.800 There's deep cuts, Get another boyfriend, Get another Boyfriend. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.640 They were doing the call. I mean they were today 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:50.079 about that. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:57.400 Get down, get I mean deep cuts, Spanish Eye. They 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.160 did the one that's the that's the music video. I 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.079 don't know if I've told this story on the podcast before, 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.040 but it was the video was premiering on and I 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.360 broke the door. So when the ones started, I couldn't 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.920 believe it. I got to do New Year's Countdown with 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:16.480 the Backstreet Boys. You are the effects. It's just I'm 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.760 so proud of them. You could tell they're so proud, 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:19.959 like it. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.160 Just was amazing. And then someone did read me. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.839 They go, wow, you did your millennial makeup so well, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.640 and it's like, are you calling me old bitch? But 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:28.559 I yeah, no. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:29.960 I had frosted blue eyeshadow. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.679 I got sparkles on my face like I wore baby 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.600 blue cloud. And a security girls stopped me and she goes, 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.200 oh my god, I used to have that wallpaper. I go, 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.360 I had the sheets. I got the baby blue sky. 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:46.160 That was huge. I've also dubbed millennial women the canopy 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:50.400 bed generation. Oh you either had one or you wanted one. 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.840 Were the canopy bed generals. I was a wanter, not 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:58.200 a My parents said too much dust but anyways, but 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.560 the sphere there's hidden bars in every section you're in 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.440 kind of there's no lines. There's no lines anywhere, like 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.560 there's no merch lines everything, Like there's so much like 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.839 it really outside of the effects and like the room 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:19.280 itself like just hidden little areas for everything, bathrooms. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:20.840 Ever, I don't know how they did it. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.480 There was no huge lines like there aren't stadium like 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.800 it was an incredible user experience. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.360 Was it dizzying at all? Like the effects? Honey? No? 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.520 So I went with someone Sophia thank you so much, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.240 that works at Live Nation, so we had really good 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.240 seats but Risen and then we got wristbands for the 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.240 family and Friends platform and. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:42.880 So we did both. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:44.800 Just like she was like, I want you to see 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.520 the whole effects, like can we sit up there? 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.199 So it started, we saw the whole effects. I think the. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.120 Second song I turned her and go, we're going to 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.800 I need to see my boys up club like this, 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.160 I don't give a fuck. So we run down where 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.720 there's so much space because the family and Friends aren't 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.000 like Madia, so like we got room to dance the 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:06.199 confetti like yeah, I can't even I'll show you one 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.280 video to like kind of so you could see the 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:13.800 scope of just the sphere. Okay, ready, Casey, I want 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.080 you to see this too. Okay, look, wow, wow, oh 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.560 my god, oh my god. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.679 Whoa, it's crazy. I want to see I want to 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.000 go now. You don't have to answer this on the 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.400 pod or or we can cut it or whatever. But 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.120 did you drink? Did you do something else? 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:31.360 Look? 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:39.959 Oh look, it was because everybody's talking about going there 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.239 and like doing drugs but then getting overwhelmed. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.319 So I was just wondering if it was drinking or no. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.600 You know me, I went when I saw the chicks, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:48.280 I got blacked down. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.000 I don't remember anything, and that's not the way I 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.319 do concerts, and I don't want to pee. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:52.800 I don't want to miss anything I had. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.000 I had two double whiskeys on the rocks because that's like, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.640 I'm not gonna pee. I can't do backusoda it's too 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.640 much liquid. So yeah, I didn't really. I don't even 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.120 think I had a cocktail before, if I'm being honest, Like, okay, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.160 I just had a few whiskeys, no drugs, no edible, nothing, 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.920 nothing on it. I wanted to fully experience. I just 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.320 and what's crazy is I don't listen to the Backstreep Boys. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.400 I don't listen to them. I knew the words every 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.480 single song, every single song. It's like crazy the way 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.240 brains work. Yeah, they just came into your life. 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.520 At the time that I think music was solidifying in 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.040 your mind. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:26.360 So yeah. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.280 But I'm just telling everyone that, like, if you have 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.439 a chance and that's something that you can figure out 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.479 to do, it is an incredible experience. It's not overrated. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.280 The internet videos do not even do it justice. I 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.480 was kind of not a hater, but I just didn't 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.320 think I'd be that impressed. Like I knew i'd love it, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.319 but it truly I cannot believe I rang in the 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.640 New York with the Backstreep Boys, Like I really really can't. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.720 Then I met the Blue Men group the Yeah. Then 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.320 our our friend Liby also got an advanced copy of 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.839 her book started reading it. Everyone needs to pre order it. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.480 I am reading I have not read in yours. It's 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:05.880 so good. It's oh my god. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.719 Well I pre ordered it. I pre ordered it on Amazon, but. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.880 That was one of our Christmas gifts, so there's not 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.720 even a back cover, you know, Like, I that's really cool, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.000 but then she got us reservations. Her friend chef Sarah 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.360 works at cost Supply of one of the best restaurants, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.000 like in the wait, like I couldn't believe it. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.160 And then I went to j Lo, who I have 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:29.040 some notes for you? What I have some notes? Wait 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.959 really quickly though, let's do a formal shout out. 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.840 But I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go and pre order our 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.440 friend Alison Liby. She's the host of the Ruined podcast, 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.959 which I know many of you listen to because I 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.000 think Lisa and I have both guest hosted on it 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:41.480 and stuff. 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.880 But it's it's called I'm a Lot. 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.120 She did the show Oh God to show about abortion 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.000 in New York that was like rave reviews, Anna Win Tour, everything, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.360 like everybody went to it. She's one of the funnies people. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.520 She's one of our best friends. Go order her book. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.480 It comes out in July. If you just pre order 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.040 it now, you don't pay for anything, and then you 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.920 just get it in July when it comes out, and 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:00.960 pre orders help her. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.280 Okay, remember how I talked to you about the Arthur 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.640 chain and then it reminded you about the Eric Carl 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.439 and it's like it's kind of when you went nuts 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.240 and tried to buy Eric Carl. The girl messaged me, going, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.520 I'm dying. Someone sent you me the clip of you 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.760 guys talking about Arthur Chain. The funniest part is that I, too, panic, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:25.400 bought Eryl Carl toys when he died. I found my soulmate. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.440 You were doing it like it was like a market move. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.040 You were like, the value is gonna go up, we 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.440 need to start buying Eric Carl art like it was 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:35.600 so funny. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.680 But oh my gosh, oh my god. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.320 Okay, so wait, can you can you say how the 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.800 gift exchange went. I'm really interested in how all the 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.680 soft and the edible and all that went. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.480 I mean, one of our friends is a terrible gift giver, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.960 and I hope she knows that. So she she brought 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.320 she gave me everything I'm allergic to. So that's pretty fun. No, 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.600 I felt I feel a we all felt so seen, 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.320 like so happy. Everyone killed it in every direction, like 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:11.880 so cute, so fun. Yeah, Kara wrote a name into 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.880 the chat. I mean, she has so many other amazing 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:19.840 qualities qualities, it's just not one of them. Love her, No, everyone, 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.080 It's just I think everyone was like so happy and 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.640 touched and it felt really cute and the food was good. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.560 Alison again made the best crab dip I've had in 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:29.160 my life. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.160 Oh she's from Marylands, she better be. Oh you gotta 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:33.120 be bringing the crab dip. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:38.320 I really, uh, impressive, impressive crab dip. But it was 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:43.240 just like it was such a cute, acute Christmas. And 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.760 we watched Home Alone one and two and the Festivist Seinfeld. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.920 But yeah, a lovely, lovely gifts. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.800 Yeah, I got a joint, a joint holder with a 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.600 pink little mouse with a bow on it. You know, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.480 like people understood, like we really got each other in 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:00.200 a way. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.200 That was cool. And then our stocking stuffers. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.080 Were all really fun and yeah, it was like a really, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:08.960 that's great, it's cute. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:10.240 What about you? 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.680 What about I made? I made a spinish nara choke 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.280 tip on for Christmas Eve. 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.400 That was a hit. Wow, I mean good food. It's 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:19.400 a recipe I looked up. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.880 But people were really all the other appetizers kind of 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:23.560 got pushed aside. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.400 People were really into my Spanish artichoke tip. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.320 Then I brought it on New Year's because we did 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.240 an all appetizer New Years and that's such a good idea. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.760 What that's a good idea? Yeah, all appetizers like so much. 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.360 It was so much food, but it was like all 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.680 apps and uh it was it had a hard time 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.680 standing up on a table full of apps. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.160 But at Christmas Eve it was really killing. I made 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:45.720 it twice. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.720 But yeah, we had Christmas was you know, I just 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.320 sent my kids back to First of all, my kids 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.720 are not off school yet, like they are still off 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:54.880 I mean back to school yet. 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:55.600 They're still off. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.200 But their school runs a free program for a week 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.200 this week, so I'm like, bye, you're going back. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:01.920 So they're back. 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.159 But technically most people in LA are still home with 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.720 their kids, which is so psychotic to me. The program 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.359 they're doing is free. I'm like, why would you not 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.680 take that? But so it was sixteen days with my kids, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.840 and it fucking rained almost every day in LA. We 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.520 had an atmospheric river, so it was tough. But how 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.960 are they inventing new weather terms. You said an atmospheric river, 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.600 like that's like a normal thing. No, they that happened 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.080 a couple of years ago where they talked about an 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:28.880 atmospheric river and that was the first time I heard 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:29.240 about it. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:30.000 And now it's back. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:31.320 Okay, okay, it's just. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.199 Kind of like a lot of rain. I don't know 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.240 why that was never. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.520 A thing in Chicago or Connecticut like that we rained 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.680 all the time where we lived right like, and was 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.400 never like, oh, this is an atmospheric river. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.600 Yeah. I mean, I just feel blessed that I know 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.200 all the seasons, even here in New York. People it's cold, 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.240 I'm like, get a grip. It's winter, get a grip. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.639 It's thirty's it's fine, you know what I mean. I 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.280 just like I am, I'm I just I don't get it. Well. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.960 What I appreciate about New York is that this summer 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.000 and the spring are like so magical because you've made 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.520 it through those other seasons, Like you're so like, I'm 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.399 never gonna be as pumped for a sunny day in 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.520 la as I am in New York when I've lived 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.720 through cold and rain, you know what I mean? Yeah, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.600 but now Jesus, anyway, enough weather talk. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.560 No, no, wait, there was an atmospheric river. Wait out 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.720 of the kids, like there, get like, what was Christmas? 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:25.480 Christmas? 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.520 Waking up in your own house, not traveling, not doing 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.159 flights and renting cars and driving to Connecticut and then 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:32.280 to Virginia. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.600 Like, yes, I loved it. It was so great. My 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:35.399 in loss came. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.520 My in loss came for ten days, which most people 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.600 are like what, But it was like great, They're great 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.080 to have, like they're so helpful and it was great. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.200 But Christmas was a hit. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:48.199 Oscar got a Barbie camper van from Santa Obsessed. He 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.919 asked for that and then Santa brought it. Also, he 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.560 got a Malibu Barbie to go with it. I went 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.320 online and there I was like, it's a camper Barbie, 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.440 so like I need a camper Barbie. When you get 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.600 a camper Barbie, like a Barbie who camps like she's 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.040 got a little backpack by the way, kind of a 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.159 little bit too on the nose for today's episode to 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:06.639 be honest. 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.800 Uh, but it's like a van life Barbie. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.880 And you go to the thing and you can either 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.200 choose Malibu camper Barbie or Brooklyn Camper Barbie. And guess 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.879 what the difference is. One is white and one is black. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:20.920 It's so crazy. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.800 I'm like, this feels so like. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.199 I showed it to two of our mutual black friends 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.800 and they were like that maybe it's because they were 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.119 like trying to think of reasons. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.680 I was like, well, because even if a camping. 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.120 Destination like there's you don't like you're not like I'm 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.240 a girl from Brooklyn who camps, It's just like that's 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.879 not a thing. So it was weird. But he got that. 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.280 He got a light up scooter, Rosie got a new bike. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:45.520 You know, it was a lot. 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:46.080 I get. 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.800 We only got them a few things from from like 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.840 really from us one thing and then four things from 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.960 Santa each. But I forget that, like my siblings send 0:19:55.040 --> 0:20:00.520 gifts that parents should want and I yeah, and the 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.080 kids gifts. So from us was the bike? From us 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:04.359 was the bike in the scooter. I was like the 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.840 bit because I ran out a wrapping gift too. Yeah, 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.840 I was like the one gift like, well, so the 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.680 bike was half wrapped, like in the back it wasn't wrapped, 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.040 and I was like, just hope in the front of it, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:13.560 it's great. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.280 But well, the Kardashians, I'll do this where each house, 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.040 each girl has their own signature wrapping paper and yeah 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.320 I did that this year, but it's to buy nothing 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.480 new and so I used everything. So someone got newspaper 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.000 like I used only things in the home. But everyone 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.640 got their own, okay, because I had random stuff enough 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:36.080 for one person, you know what I mean. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.320 Yeah, so I was worried that Rosie was going to 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.119 start catching onto the wrapping paper thing, like why is 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.800 one the in this wrapping paper and what? So I 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.159 got Santa had a minion and a bluey wrapping paper 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:47.679 that was all his his stuff. 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:49.160 But it was great. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.159 They love everything. They got their huge into legos. Now 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.080 they got a bunch of drawing stuff. I mean, my kids, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:54.800 like you wouldn't even believe it, Lisa, Like they sit 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.439 and they just draw for like an hour quietly like 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.520 it's and then they go crazy and try to choke 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.960 each other out. But like they really are so into 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:03.919 art and drawing now. So they got a bunch of 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.359 art shit. And then we went to Santa Barbara for 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.120 two days stops. 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.000 It was really nice. Yeah, my god. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.880 My taxi driver from Vegas from the airport was from 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:13.600 Santa Barbara. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.200 He was a surfer. He told me a lot. He's 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.840 been with his wife a while. Santa Barbara is so funny, 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:19.240 like I would be have you been there? 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.760 It's changed? It's no, I haven't. I'm I'm so intrigued 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:24.439 to tell me everything. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.920 It's just very interesting because like the main drag of 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.640 Santa Barbara to me looks like fancy kind of right. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.760 So you're walking down the main dragon, there's like an aloe, right, 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.440 and then next to it there's a ninety nine cent store, 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.840 and then there's like a super high end thing, and 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.120 then there's an old navy Like it's just a very 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.080 big mix of high low on their main street. 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.000 And the people are also very diverse. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.399 Like I cannot get a beat on, Like I always 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.000 just thought everybody from Santa Barbara was like rich and 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.960 then I'm want but like I see other local people 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.520 that just look like regular and like surfers and like 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.200 different kinds of people, and I'm like, huh, Santa Barbara 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.280 is like a real mix. I think I just had 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.280 an idea in my head from the fact that don't 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.560 tell them. On the Babysitters Dead, Santa Barbara is where 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.840 they go on their sexy romantic weekend, the boss and 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.840 her boyfriend. So I think of it as like a 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:18.800 rich getaway place. You know, it's really diverse sorority life. 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.760 I think on MTV, was you see Santa Barbara and 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:25.200 so that's where I go to see Santa Barbara's coledge 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.160 of Santa Barbara. Did you get any water bottle for Christmas? 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.760 I did, and I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with this water bottle. 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:34.280 Jared got this from me, and I was like, Jared, 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.000 you literally have barely ever given me a gift that 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:37.680 I like, and this is like out of the park. 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.200 I love it so much. Happened, Oh, I will press, 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:41.440 good job, Jared. Hell. 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:45.040 Yes, it's an awala and it's thirty two ounces, so 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.040 it's like big, but it fits into my cup holder. 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:48.960 I know that's been a big issue for you. 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.680 It's been a big issue, the yetti just flying around 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:53.280 my car, slamming, you know. 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.359 So now I'm so excited, Like I've been killing water 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:57.760 in this thing. It's so boring. 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.320 The adults didn't really exchange presence this year because we 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.240 were like, let's just do the Santa Barber trip. That's like, 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.959 you know, your family. We went with his family. Oh 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.680 yeah yeah, but but like we just didn't do real 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:12.760 gifts with them, which is great because it's so they're 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.480 hard to buy, Like it's they're boring to buy for 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.160 a little bit. So I was like we just did stocking, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.240 so this was in my stocking and. 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:21.280 I was really happy. 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.119 Oh my god, it was in your stocking. Yeah, I 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:24.919 was really happy. 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:29.080 Jara's been on Instagram knowing that, I mean his mom's dide. 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.399 I filled his mom stocking. Are you kidding? 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.080 I just I just slipped up my words. No, exactly, 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.159 he did mine, but I had to tell him. I go, 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.320 just so you know, I'm doing everybody stocking and mine 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:41.560 will be empty if you don't do it, and he 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:42.399 was like, right, I'm doing it. 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.040 So he like went to bath and body works. Oh 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.840 my god, Kara, it keeps happening. It happened to me 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.359 three times. This break where people go every time before 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.080 I like something on Instagram, you've already liked it, and 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:58.520 then our friend goes, yeah, I see your name under 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:03.360 like parenting stuff all the time, and I'm like, well. 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.400 That is true of me that forever. 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.240 But that's because you and I, it like knows that 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.760 we like interact and like send each other passages and stuff. 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:18.080 People in the almost you've already gotten to because I 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.120 think about it and I check because I go, maybe 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.040 I'll bring this up in an intro. But I always 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:26.520 see that you've already seen it. So I'm like, you 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.520 know so because I because sometimes I'll be like, well 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:30.240 did you see this? You're like, of course I saw 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:31.200 it, and it's like I should. 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:32.679 Have known that it's right there. No, but there was. 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:33.760 This was so me. 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.200 I uh. I go on YouTube there's a new lad 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.560 Bible and it's my father was a cannibal, and I'm like, okay, 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.120 you got me. I'm in okay, I'm watching it. 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.600 Watch it. I was literally talking to my in laws 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.199 about the lad Bible. Have I seen it? 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:47.359 No? 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.919 I was just telling them something you told me. 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.320 I was like, well, there's this series called lad Bible 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.960 and apparently like I don't remember what part it was 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.040 that I was talking about, but no. 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.000 And also shout out to everyone I met and see 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:01.520 at in Vancouver. I feel like I could have been 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.439 funnier in Seattle. My bad guys, if you were there, 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.240 I feel like I could have been better. But Vancouver, 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:08.480 they really I was good there. Vancouver's great, what a 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:11.000 great city. Seattle's great too. I mean, no, Seattle's great. 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:12.399 I had a good time. I think people had a 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.120 good time as well. There's just something that was tough 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:15.359 for me. 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:22.920 Yeah, but it's something oh speaking, I mean getting into 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:26.160 a little We've had a couple of panicked messages about 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.960 the fact that Peacock has removed a ton of seasons 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.760 of SVU, so people are like, what the fuck they 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:35.280 just got rid of, like seasons like seven through eighteen 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:37.840 or something on Maybe it's hopefully it's like a Hulu 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:38.520 Peacock thing. 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:40.239 I mean I have both. Yeah, I don't know. You 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:41.360 just have to get Hulu. 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.400 If you want to do the homework for this pod, 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:44.560 you gotta just get Hulu. 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:46.359 I don't know why they're doing it. I'll try to 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.439 see if there's any licensing news that can get to 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:49.480 the bottom of I mean. 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:51.719 I have heard about it in advance, Like I've heard 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.679 about it in advance, and it was like, uh oh, 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:55.679 like SVU might be leaving Peacock, but I was I 0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.080 was like, I'll wait to see what happens, if it 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.919 really happens. But I'm a Hulu girl anyway, like I 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.119 every season except the current, but Peacock has the current. 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.520 Yeah, for some reason, just the interface for the work 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:09.840 that we do, the going back ten second sub I 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.359 don't know there's something on Hulu that makes it easier 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:17.119 and more enjoyable, even though I like watching peacock stuff, 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:20.040 but for work it's harder. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:24.320 just is what it is. Also how funny. So Jared Goldstein, 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.040 he's obsessed with bags and he goes to a Louis 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.600 Baton that has the Marikami collection that was like notoriously 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.199 sold out everywhere. So he's sending me photos from the 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.800 store and I see in the carrying case a little 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.280 Louis Vauton thing and I go, oh my god, is 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:40.960 that a pepper spray holder? And he goes, I think 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:49.240 it's for lipstick, and I go, our brain are so fucked. 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.720 But I was like, I would I would if it's 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.520 for pepper sprayl by it, but I know I wouldn't. 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:58.920 I'm I'm I'm on a spending freeze. Yeah, not freeze, 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.159 just cutting it in half, cutting it in half. Are 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:02.920 you allowed to have pepper spray in New York City 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:04.840 but not mace? You're allowed to have pepper spray? 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:05.520 I don't give a. 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.119 Fuck, Like, why can you have guns? But any weapon 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.800 that's for women to be safe is illegal? Go fuck yourself. Yeah, 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:13.760 I'm gonna have whatever I want. And I'm gonna get 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.120 a taser on the underground market and yeah, I don't 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:22.840 give a fuck. Try me, bitch, come at me, try 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:27.800 to take me in. All right, Wait, any other, any other? 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:29.880 What did you do on New Year's. 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.159 I just went to my friend's house and like our 0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.520 kids play together. We just drank a ton of wine. 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.560 It was great. It's just show we watched. 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:40.760 We watched Anderson and Andy and then we watched it again. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:42.680 You know, you can just basically replay it. 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.840 But I did go to vander Pump Glarden at Caesar 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:48.440 in Vegas, in Vegas, in. 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:49.960 Vegas, I was outside of it. 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.040 I was with you, Kara, because they had a fake line. 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.960 We made a reservation. We had to make a reserve. Wait, 0:27:58.160 --> 0:27:59.600 I was with you. We went and they made a 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.520 swing like there was a giant line but you could 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.159 see in it and there was like all this empty 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.879 tables and we're trying to and I get if you're 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:12.280 trying to build hype if we could see it's empty inside. Yeah, yeah, 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:13.840 And they said it was like an hour. Wait, so 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.640 we're like fuck that, and we drink in the lobby. 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:19.639 I remember, yes, I recall, Okay, thanks bringing it all 0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:20.399 back you're with me. 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.720 Yeah, so you went to it though, and how was it? 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:24.119 I did? 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.920 I got hand, I got blocked out and the matcha 0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:27.680 drink was great. 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:28.520 We had go cheese. 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:31.200 I mean yeah, but those places being in Vegas, it's 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.879 like being at the Olive Garden in like Times Square 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.960 or something. I don't think it's like, oh, hello, l 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.000 isn't this funny? And then the bill's three hundred and 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:42.200 fifty dollars and you're like, yeah, yeah, I guess litting 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:48.120 fine dining. But I was taking like full on shots 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.640 at that point. But I just because for the concerts, 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.920 I'm so well behaved that, like after j Loo finally, 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.760 I okay, wait, what. 0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:58.640 Are the notes for j Low? Honey? 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.200 Wait, no, be sure that you're never gonna host SNL 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.640 because some people that talk about Jalo on podcasts do 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:05.320 get in trouble. 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:08.480 Hey, this is such a long episode. Let's let's save 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.160 Jlo for the post mortem. Well, okay, everyone the whole 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:16.920 thing Jlo talking the bost mortem. I will say one 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:17.320 more thing. 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:22.720 I have been diagnosed with planter fascis no and it's 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:28.680 fucking terrible, and I but can people that listen, It's curable, right, 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:29.880 like I went to a pediatrist. 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.760 I'm doing all this stuff. It's getting better. 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.120 I didn't want to make sure, girl, I have I 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:36.800 have doctor Tom's insults. 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.160 I war insults in my boots in Vegas. 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.880 I'm wearing insults. It's terrible. But I just want people 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:47.240 to tell me stories of them curing it, because I 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.520 just this can be my whole life. This man's making 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:51.920 me wear birkenstocks around the house. I can't wear me 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.400 barefoot ever. I have to wear my birken stocks all 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:55.800 the time because they're they're. 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:57.760 Oh, but you should get the sandal ones that I have, 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.800 like they you know, the rubbery brad stock ones, the 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:01.720 pool work and stock. 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:03.040 See if you could wear those in the house. 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.520 Cannot, okay, because there the whole thing about them is 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:07.040 he said, it has to keep my like it keeps 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:08.440 your foot like stationary cast. 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.080 So ask ask him if you can do like the 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.880 indoor shoe one like the rubbers, if those work or not, 0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:15.680 because those are more like house friends, I wear them 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:16.120 in the house. 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. We have so much to catch 0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:24.480 up on. Visa v Drag Race, uh, Beverly Hills Housewives, 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.920 all kinds of things, that are happening, but we should 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.520 get started because it is a long app right, So 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.880 next week we'll we'll catch up on all that crap. 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.280 Until then, that's messed up. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:41.600 Live dot Com has those uh Lois Luise shirts. 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.440 We're gonna work on some new merch for this year. 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.200 People were Tommy's people like the Tommy Jersey, the Tommy 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.360 they told me, they told you in person. 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:50.160 We gotta go. 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.160 We're gonna get some Tommy merch. And I'm on the road, motherfuckers. 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.760 Please yes, scroll down, it's a Live dot com and 0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:57.800 Liza's website. 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.960 You get Kansas City, I'm going to at New York City, 0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:09.200 I'm out and about Boston, other Sacramento. I'm out here, guys, 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.480 I'm out here. Yeah, get on it, get on it. 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.280 But let's get started because this is this is an 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:17.040 intense up. 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:26.800 Okay. Rorshack is what we're doing today, which makes me 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:30.440 think of Tricksy because she always talks about the not 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.360 the Walking Dead. What's the show the Watchman? 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:39.240 Yes, Watchman, she loves Watchmen. But yeah, it's the test. 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:43.440 I actually now thinking about what the Rorshack test is 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:44.160 in the episode. 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.440 I really don't see a full time I don't act 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.440 what is the connect? Is there more? 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:55.120 I feel like the only thing that maybe is like dentations. No, 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.040 I was gonna say, like, well, the rorshack test is 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.240 like everybody sees something differently, and so like if you're 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.560 looking at somebody's life through social media, like what you 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.600 be seeing, but like that seems not you know what 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.520 I mean, Like it's different to me than like the 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.920 way people portray themselves on social media, different than the reality. 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.360 That's different than a roorshak, which is like you see something, 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:18.160 I see something. 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:19.520 But I'm sure our. 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.600 Listeners will let us know what the actual connect is 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.360 because I'm not seeing it per se. 0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:29.400 Okay, but neither here nor there. Season twenty six, episode six, 0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:34.120 November seventh, twenty twenty four. It's Ellie and that's a 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.880 woman and she's talking to her channel into a little 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.520 mic and she's leaving for a cross country road trip 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.320 and the car has wood paneling on the sides and 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.000 I really like that, and you know, and then she goes, ooh, 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.520 and I'm here with my sexy cameraman and his name 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:50.080 is Chris. 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:50.400 You know. 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.520 He comes to wave waves to the camera, says hi, 0:32:54.400 --> 0:33:00.600 and holy shit, did SV you clear Espresso, Like yeah, Mick, no, 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:02.120 or maybe they're friends with her. 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.360 I was gonna say maybe she gave it to them 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.520 for lower because she's been on SVU, maybe because I 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:11.600 was kind of like, I cannot believe they got espresso. Yeah, 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.520 they've had like most of the time the music is 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:19.040 like fully just like stock or whatever. But then they 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:23.200 have had a couple of like known songs at the beginning, 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.120 like there was that one episode that starts we. 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.120 Make the Good Girls Go Bad whatever, Like. 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.680 They do have some that are famous, but like it's 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.320 in later seasons and I'm always like, this is definitely 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.520 the biggest song I think they've ever opened an episode with. 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.600 Yeah, Espresso's in the cannon of best pop songs I 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:45.640 think ever and was just so massive at the time. Also, yeah, 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:47.440 but I heard it recently and I was like, I 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:54.520 love it. Oh, probably watching this episode when you heard it. Yeah, wait, 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:58.360 but the girl is that the Measles episode? It sounds 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.120 like when teens are doing something, Yeah, it might be. 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.680 It might be might be the Missy pilot. So the 0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.080 different ring blowjob rings or the bracelet parties. 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.279 Yeah, yeah, one of those, one of those. 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:14.680 Okay, So they have espresso and they're starting in Echo Park, 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:18.680 so they're la and it's a montage. They're in Georgia, 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:23.720 nature mountains, waterfalls, logs, tense yoga, kisses, hand holding, running 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:25.320 bodies of water. 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:25.880 Forest. 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:29.359 So now another woman's in the woods as well, and 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.720 she's walking an espresso is actually playing in her earphones 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:35.319 and she takes them out of her ear So I 0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.920 really like that kind of fun. I like that. But 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.120 she pauses when she sees a bloody rock and then 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.759 we see the wood panel car. A body is down, 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.400 a girl is bleeding, and then there's a man injured 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.879 about thirty feet away and he's calling for Ellie and 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.480 he has a knife in his chest. Cut to Benson 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.879 in the elevator and it opens and it's a man. 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.560 She calls him Clark Kent, but it's an FBI guy. 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:03.320 He is hot, and he was in Dexter as Batista's 0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:07.960 sister's boyfriend who was like an intern and like a 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.799 crime guy, and he was buying crime things off the 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.399 internet and stealing stuff from Matsuka and then he ended 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.560 up getting murdered by one of the mobs. Oh, I'm 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.680 really not remembering his part. But this guy's name is 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.000 Josh Cook, this actor. I've seen him in other Well no, 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.440 because Dexter beats the shit out of him because he 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.799 plays little pranks with Dexter. And he bought like the 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.200 Bay Harbor, like he didn't know who he was dealing 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:33.960 with but thought wanted to fuck with it. 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:34.879 He's like a tech guy. 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:40.560 Whatever. Oh whatever, Yeah, I'm humiliated. All right. So all right, 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.520 we're in the FBI, YadA YadA. So it's okay, it's 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.280 seven thirty am, and she's like, oh god, it's early, 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.200 but they need Benson's help. This woman was half naked 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.640 Ellie Ali Hughes and Chris Becker Echo Park, So what's 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.319 up in Rockland County? And it's a two month road 0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:59.160 trip and they think she was raped, but they can't 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:00.799 really do a rape kit even though it's been forty 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:05.680 eight hours because she's had a massive head trauma. She's unconscious, 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.160 and they don't do rape kits if like there's no consent. 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.920 So that's what's going on there, and Rockland County is 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:15.799 only going to go for the attempted murder charge, but 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.239 Benson goes, but why are the FEDS attacked? And basically 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:23.759 it's because the crime happened off the Appalachian Trail that 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.560 spans fourteen states. 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:30.439 So the FEDS handle all crimes on the Appalachian Trail. 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:32.120 Interesting any federal land. 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.560 Yeah, but I've never done any of these trails, but 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.359 you know they're into it. So Benson points at all 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.320 these folders on her desk and goes, FBI, guy, I'm busy, 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.719 look at all these folders. He goes, No, I know 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.319 it's a huge favor, but our field office here in 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.640 New York they're trash, like, we need you. I like that. 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:56.760 The FBI is so bad they need Benson. Please help us, please, 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.279 it might never get solved. And of course Benson's looking 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.960 at the photo. Oh there's a two in this woman's mouth. 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.880 She's in a coma. Yeah, Benson's in where do we start? 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.040 So it's credits time, and now it's corkboard time, and 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:10.840 Benson says she spoke with the commissioner, and Finn asks 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.200 what he said, and she says, to play nice. 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.560 Okay. So it's two victims. 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.000 Elie Hughes found in only a towel, huge gash in 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.640 her forehead, stabbed, and then the guy he was stabbed 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.239 with his own pocket knife. Twice, and he's been out 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.759 of surgery as well. He has not been questioned, but 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.239 you know, he feels lucky to be alive. And there 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.120 are a few floors away from each other. They don't 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.080 think it's a robbery because phones and wallets were left behind. 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.680 And then she sends everyone off to do their jobs 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.480 and Benson goes to Langone Hospital NYU and I am 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.759 part of the Langune family, but I. 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:43.720 Don't go to this office. 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:50.600 Oh gosh, this address, but that's where I just love 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.479 being in a giant medical group. There's because I loved 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.240 going to Cedar Sinai in La like I want. 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.239 To Yeah, I would say the pros or. 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:00.200 I love that all your doctors have every thing in 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.040 front of them, like you don't have to go, okay, 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:03.880 here's my history, like they share everything. 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:04.440 It's great. 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:06.600 The con is that if I want to talk to 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.840 my daughter, my doctor, even to just ask call back, 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.960 it's twenty five minutes. I'm going through a receptionist, who 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.719 then calls their receptionist, who then sees if they can get. 0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:16.600 Their receptionists on the phone. 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:17.880 If they can't, they get back on the phone with 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.040 me and go We're still trying it's that's a little 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.000 bit annoying of having the huge because I'm at USC 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.480 now with a bunch of the edit's like come on. 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:30.320 But in general I like it. You've moved over to USC. 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:34.640 I still am at Theedars for certain things. Yeah, I'm 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.680 over there, forderm. I'm over there. Hey. 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.280 The other bad thing about theaters, specifically not the NYU 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.759 and not the New York place is the parking garages. 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.319 And it is fucked and we live in a really 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.360 fucked up world, but not Yeah, paying for parking to 0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.120 go to a hospital in a garage is like weird. 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:57.040 Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. Yeah you have I 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.120 have to pay every time I go to my doctor. Yeah, 0:38:59.160 --> 0:38:59.720 it's crazy. 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.000 And there's all these garages all over. Yeah, Cedars is 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.680 actually more stressful. I like this kind of but I 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:06.640 like being in the groups. 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:08.080 Yeah, I don't know. I agree. 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:11.520 There's such professionalism and it's just my childhood PTSD from 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:15.120 going to like I don't know, backdoor Russian doctors that 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.880 took our HML, Like I mean, we would sit in 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.799 the waiting room for hours, hours and everyone is just 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:26.160 old and it really like when I first went to 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:29.080 my first like doctors as my own adult. I was like, oh, 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.240 what what are we eve been up to? These Russians 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.319 are wild? Wait, you'll love this. 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.439 I went to I remember how I gave I told 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.239 you my dermatologist and then you could never get in 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:39.600 with her, and so you got this other guy. 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:40.200 Yeah. 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.160 So I had to go to my dermatologist just to 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:46.000 get a quick shot, and he was available and she wasn't. 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:47.839 So I was like, yeah, I'll go to him. They 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:49.360 put me in a room for so long that the 0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.080 lights went out. The lights turned off in the room 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:55.240 because they're motion centered lights, and I was just scrolling 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:59.080 on my phone and the shot took approximately thirty seconds. 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.480 But I don't I think they knew what everybody needed 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.160 or whatever. So he was very apologies because I went 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:05.680 out into the hallway when the lights went out, and I. 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.279 Went, did you let him know that we met each other? 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:09.439 No? 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.560 Yeah, I try not to violate hippa. 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:15.439 But I was like, do you remember what woman who 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.759 they thought had shingles but it wasn't shingles at all? 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:18.479 Yeah? 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:19.279 Do you remember that? 0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:23.040 But I was like, I just went out too the hallway. 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:24.879 I was like, guys, the lights went out, you've left 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:26.359 me in here for so long, I'd become a piece 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.160 of furniture, like you have to come, let me like, 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.239 and they were like, so sorry, and then he and 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:33.040 then he wouldn't stop apologizing. He was apologizing too much. 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:34.360 And I was like, it's fine, I get it, I 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.520 get it. It's busy, it's the holidays. Two doctors called out, 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.040 I understand, it's busy. Just shoot me up, you know, like, 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.000 let's go. And then he just kept being like and 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.839 thank you again, I'm so sorry. I was like, sir, enough, 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:47.080 but it was just funny. 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:51.560 I bet he's like, I bet everyone at the synagogue's 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.560 trying to set their daughters up with him. Oh my god. Yeah, 0:40:54.719 --> 0:41:00.319 a dermatologist, Come on, all right, I mean they're booked 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.879 up a year in advance. Like there, it's fucked up. 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.000 I mean, the amount of time we talk about dermatologists 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:13.440 appointments on this podcast. She sends, Okay, everyone's doing their jobs. Okay, 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.000 So Benson goes to the hospital. That's that's where this 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.480 all fell apart. Okay, So we're back at the hospital. 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.239 Ellie's unresponsive. The doc says it's one of the worst 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.440 head injuries she's ever seen in a long time life 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:28.480 support mom flew in from California two days ago and 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.520 only just now went to get some rest after the 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.799 doctor was like, you need to go. And so then 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:36.520 they go to the boyfriend and he missed, like the 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.600 stab missed his heart by a quarter of an inch, 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:41.120 which is small. 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.279 So he's on pain meds. But they go talk to him. 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.200 Anyways, he says he was laying awake in his car 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.839 and she went to use the camp shower and then 0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.000 he heard a noise, grabbed his knife. He saw a 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.240 man standing over her and she was on the ground 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:56.200 near the shower. The guy, he says, his white long 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:56.840 hair beard. 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:57.800 The weapon. 0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:59.840 He goes, well, yeah, the rock and he says that 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.239 he went to defend her, and he goes out a 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.600 lot of good that did. And so it's like, well, 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:07.759 how did the guy get your pocket knife? And he's like, 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:09.240 I don't know. I'm not that good of a fighter. 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:11.520 He probably took it from me. I felt pain in 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:13.640 my stomach and chest and then I woke up in 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:16.320 the helicopter. And he says, this is around two or 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.160 three am. Why were they you know, why she's showering 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.200 so late? He says, they did have sex, and so 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.040 he says that this dude, though look dirty and he 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.120 was hiking for a while, and he asks about Ellie 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:29.759 and he says that he should be there because she 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.719 must be scared. And then Benson says, why don't you 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:36.359 stay here and just stay strong for Allie? And then 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:39.799 Benson and Glasses leave, So what are they thinking? So 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.239 now we go to the Bear Mountain campsite and they're 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:46.200 Bruno and Silva are there, And can I just tell 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:48.560 you throughout this episode, like it is crazy how I've 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:54.200 not learned Velasco's name in all these years. Every time 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.840 I'm about to type his name in, I have to 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.319 pause for six seconds and be like, Octavio, but that's 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.520 not his name? What's yeah? I think it's like it's 0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.360 never in real life sticks out over Velasco. 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.920 I think that too. I do that too. I go Octavio, what's. 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.480 His real what's his name on the show? Like, what's 0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:15.920 Velasco's first name? I don't know what is it? Dominic Velasco? 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:20.400 No? I think that's why they let him go though, No, yeah, Joe, 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.560 Joe also Joe at all, He's a Joe Velasco. 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:25.839 That, yeah, they never call him Joe. 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.560 But that's interesting now that you were talking about Dominick 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:33.000 Creasy is not in this episode. Yeah, yeah, credit only. 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.560 Yeah wow, I wonder if he wanted the week off. 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.560 So Rockland County meets Bruno and Silva at the scene, 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:44.319 and Silva sees something that everyone missed, you know, she 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.000 sees the rock and she's like, but why would he 0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:47.960 throw it? Like a guy with a knife is running 0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:49.880 at you and you throw a rock away and not 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:51.680 use it, Like, why wouldn't you use it against this 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.880 guy with the knife? And Bruno questions her, like not 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.040 knowing the timing of when things happened and Chris was 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.759 found also at the other markers, Oh, there's a pool 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:03.000 of blood, but if he walked there from over there, 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:06.000 where's the blood trail? And then she sees some trees 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.160 and there's some holes in the tree and Bruno's like, 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.200 they're just trail markers maybe or an animal. She goes, 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.799 are you this much of a contrarian when it's you're 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.239 out here with Finn And he says, no, he does, 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.839 you know, he knows that he is not. But then 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.960 it hits Silva that like they are marks and they 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.040 could mean something and she wants to see the knife. 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.960 But then we cut to Benson and Glasses walking out 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.000 of the hospital when a doctor stops them and goes. 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.640 Ellie's mother is back and she wants to talk to you. 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.880 And this seems like I did think this was so crazy, 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.279 like to do this giant setup for just to go 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.960 back to the hospital like you're shooting for, like just 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.400 to be like just to walk outside a little and 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:47.400 be like, come back in. I mean, I love the 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:48.479 dedication to the show. 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:51.680 Yeah, it seems like so much like it could have happened, 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:53.839 like getting into the elevator, like don't go you know. 0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:58.399 Yeah, I'm curious, I mean, so much effort. So now 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.440 we meet the mom who's like, hey, I heard you 0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.399 talk to Chris. What did he say? Does he know 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:05.799 who did this? And they fill her in on the investigation, 0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.160 and she really cares about him and how he's going 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:08.760 to be doing. 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:10.799 She says that they were soulmates. 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:14.720 She seems very like, you know, kindergarten Jesus, I would 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:17.920 say the mom, Yeah, yeah, kindergarten teacher, not like a 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.320 child's like she you know, she maybe teaches the Sunday 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:25.319 school at church and donates the money after and. 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:26.320 By the way, this Jesus. 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.839 The mom is played by Jamil Williamson, who I recognize 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.600 as Tom's ex wife from Parks and rec But she's 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:34.560 in tons of stuff. 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.920 Yeah, well for me, it's the good place in this 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:43.920 but yeah, yeah, she has sweaters in this in this episode. Yes, 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.960 you'll see a variety of sweaters here. But she's a 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.680 hopeful woman. And she says that her daughter was an 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.920 introvert and that Chris helped her find her voice and 0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:56.160 that maybe he can help her again. And she of 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.759 course believes that, you know, her daughter is alive and 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.000 squeezing her hand and communicating, but like the doctors want 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.960 to take her off life support immediately. So Benson goes, 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.520 why don't you show me the hand squeezing. It doesn't happen. 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.480 It doesn't happen. Benson asks to try. It's not happening. 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:12.960 So Benson goes, how about we let her rest and 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:14.840 don't worry, like we're gonna find out who did this. 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:16.960 And Benson now goes to talk to the doctor and 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.359 he goes, listen, seventy two hours no brain activity. He's like, 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:24.279 there's no movement, speech, breathing, nothing on her own, and 0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:26.799 I don't believe in the hand squeezing. He goes, this 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:28.640 isn't the first time I've seen a parent think their 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.880 brain dead child is sending them signs. It's just a reflex, 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:36.600 cold blooded, like he thinks that when people hang on, 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.000 it's usually best for them and not for the patient. 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.279 She asks about the rape kit. He goes, listen, she 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.239 was on my table for nine hours. It wasn't top 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.759 of my priority list. But Ellie's mom has consented to it, 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:48.680 and we will do it right away. So now we're 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:51.399 at the lab and we're looking at the rock. It's 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.319 pink granite. Okay, who cares? But Silva goes, I don't 0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:55.960 care about this rock. Oh. She's like me, yeah, we 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:57.880 don't care about the rock. What's up with the knife? 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.960 And it's just a photo of the knife? And she goes, 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.480 what are we talking? Why would you bring me here 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.399 to look at the photo of the knife, And he goes, oh, 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.759 the labs were inconclusive, like the Prince, so he sent 0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:12.640 them to Quantico. She's fucking pissed. She needs that knife. 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:15.560 Bruno's being annoying as fuck, Like usually I'm obsessed with him, 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:19.160 so annoyed. This episode, he's arguing with her and she's like, well, 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.760 we have something, we know something is missing, like the fuck, 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.719 and so it is back to teamwork time. They've looked 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.279 into the negative comments and followers. That are strange, but 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:33.879 they only had eighteen hundred followers. That's something to think about. Yeah, 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:37.319 it's not far off from the r case. Yeah, oh 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:38.600 really yeah. 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.880 Oh but the case seemed such big news. 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.920 I assumed that they were like really huge influencers. 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:49.239 Oh well, we'll get into it. 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:54.600 But I know, okay, yeah, I am yeah. I kind 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.719 of like put my head like an Ostrich during that. 0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:01.440 I wasn't really involved, and I'm glad you're gonna teach me. 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:04.000 So okay, eighteen but it is only a two month 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.680 trips or whatever. But I didn't I didn't really catch 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.040 in the beginning of the episode that they were new 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:08.279 at this. 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:09.920 So Silva's like. 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:13.040 Okay, well, fuck the Internet, Like, you know, people have 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:15.759 an online persona and then a real life persona, and 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:17.400 you can tell a lot about a person with the 0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:18.839 distance between the two. 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:21.799 I fucking love that Silva's in siphles as fuck. 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:24.000 I was really into the way she phrased that and 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.560 I feel like I'm going to think about it a lot. 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:28.200 We could have given Silva another season. 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:30.000 I don't know why we had to get rid of 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.440 her to get this guy in, but I guess the 0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:35.360 guy is the tie for Olivia to the boss and 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.239 all that. But like, I don't know, the last she 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:40.719 was similar because she had got a dad who was 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:42.160 on the job and was pretty high up. 0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.640 Oh so Silva has a dad that was on the job. Yeah, 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:48.400 So I'm like, why did I. 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:50.920 Don't know, yeah, but yeah, and I love that and 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.640 it made me think like, oh, yeah, I know. Yeah, 0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:59.400 the distance between the two suspicious. So there's a college 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:02.080 roommate who commented and DM so they're gonna go talk 0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:04.759 to her. Benson gets a ping, the DNA is back, 0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:07.600 the semen is Chris is and you know, he did 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:10.319 say they had sex, but there was a nurse who 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.200 said there was saliva in her hair and that saliva 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:17.800 did not match the victims. So fucking someone spit on Ellie. 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:21.960 So and this makes Silva very upset, and Finn is like, well, 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.640 it could be the perp, and you know, let's figure 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:27.160 let's figure stuff out. So Finn and Silver are with 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:30.280 this college roomy, and she talked to Ellie that day 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:32.760 and her and Chris were bickering, and she thinks Ellie 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.680 just needed to like vent And they got pulled over 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.480 the day before and almost got a ticket, and Finn says, 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.080 why would people argue about a ticket they almost got 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:42.680 And She's like, well, you know, they've been stuck in 0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.080 a cart together for a few months. And so she 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:47.680 texted her friend from college a little later though, from 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:49.920 a bar, and she was all alone, and it was 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:51.960 about midnight, and it's not a usual thing for her 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:55.400 to go drinking alone. She sounded drunk, and but the 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.880 bar was near the campsite, and the bartender was a 0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:01.239 redheaded guy who loaded her up with free I don't 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:05.319 really use the term loaded up, do you. I'm gonna 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:07.800 get loaded. I don't do that loaded. 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:08.719 Yeah. 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.239 But since you told me your mom says blotto, I 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:13.480 have heard blotto more often and I wonder if I 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:14.839 wouldn't have caught that My. 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:19.719 Mom loves blotto and polluted both polluted. That has guys 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:24.239 just polluted last night? Or what I say it wasted blackout? 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:30.360 I really went after it. Yeah, wasted, bombed, I say bombed. 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:31.920 I'll be like, oh my god, he was bombed. 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:35.680 Oh I don't say that. Yeah, So we're going to 0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.920 the bat. We're going to the bar Bear Mountain Brewery 0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:43.440 and great name. He is going outside to smoke. So 0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.120 Finn and Velasko go to talk to him, and he says, 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:48.520 who the hell are you and they explain that they're 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:50.560 there to talk about Ellie and he's like, oh, that 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:54.040 chick that got attacked horrible. So he does admit that 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:57.000 he served her, but he denies the spit and then 0:50:57.040 --> 0:50:59.440 he's definitely like, I didn't rape nobody. 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:01.879 He got an alibi, not a good one. 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:04.200 He went home after a shift, but his baby mama 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:08.160 will confirm that, And so they ask how she would 0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:10.440 feel knowing that he was like loading up a young 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:13.160 girl with free drinks, and he goes, look, so I 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:15.640 hit on her. I gave her some whiskey, sodas, some 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:17.560 free all night and then nothing. 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:19.280 She was just being a tease. 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.160 And they're like, okay, how about we swab your mouth 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.920 and that'll that'll take care of this easily, and he 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.239 gets antsy, jittery, and he's like, okay, fine, I was 0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:29.160 pissed and I you know, I drank you know, I 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:31.600 let her drink all night and she left. I do 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.399 wonder if she tipped, though, I bet she tipped, right, 0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:36.800 you don't think she tips. 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:37.480 I don't know. 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.799 They're like, they're like, I don't know, I don't know 0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:41.920 if it's if it's like the real story. They're like 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:46.319 scrimping and saving on the on the thing, you know, 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:47.760 and there's there's. 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:49.399 A bit of a connection to the real story too. 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.080 Oh my god, I gotta get okay, all right, let's 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:56.240 get I got it, look okay. So so Octavio's pissed 0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:58.279 about it though, and he goes, you spit on her, 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:00.440 and he puts out his cigarette with it, and he 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.839 goes yeah, and then womp womp, blue and red lights 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:04.960 pop off, and he goes, what the fuck? And they 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:08.920 go New York spitting is considered a sault. You're under arrest, dummy, 0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:12.160 and that's a fin. Finn says that, and he's like, 0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:15.800 come on, just a little spit. But he's he's handcuffed 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.040 and he's out of there. So now Sylvan and Benson 0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:20.120 are with the boyfriend in the hospital, telling him about 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:23.000 the spit and how they talk to Kaylee, the college roommate, 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:26.120 and He gets nervous because you know, he never mentioned 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.480 she went to the bar, and you see him thinking, 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:31.799 and to me, it's obvious that he's lying. But he 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.480 says that she said she was gonna do laundry, and 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:37.239 Benson goes, sure, but why wouldn't you tell us that? 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:41.600 And he's like, I don't know, but like and so whatever, 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:43.560 he's being annoying, and she goes, well, any idea why 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:44.840 she should go drinking alone? 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:46.160 He has no idea. 0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:49.279 And this guy is an incredible actor, and he's like, 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:51.439 do you think someone followed her home from the bar? 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.640 Why don't you tell us Chris. Benson says that, why 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:57.960 don't you tell us Chris? And so he goes, oh, 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:00.680 that does explain something. That dude smelled like booze who 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.640 stabbed me? And Chris's mom walks in right at that moment, 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.920 and she's not as calm as soft as Ellie's mom. 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:07.560 I would say. 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:11.200 She has hoop earrings, which indicates trash, and a messy bun, 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:13.560 which indicates working class. 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.640 So right, yeah, for the show, and I wear hoops 0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:18.280 all the time. 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:21.600 But like me talking about the symbolism of the show, 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.240 like this is like a working class mother. 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:28.880 Yeah, she's she's giving to me dragon'sa matteo and pop, 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.920 you're not talking to my son, let's go you know. 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:37.600 Yeah yeah yeah yeah and so and she's like, I 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:39.799 want you guys out of here. It's nine PM and 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.360 my son was almost murdered. And she's like, you're not 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:44.959 even Rockland County. Where the fuck are you coming from? 0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:46.560 And it's like, how do you know who? Like what 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:49.919 districts they're from? But they explain SVU and she goes, 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:52.239 what's that? And it's like, I wonder if this show 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:53.759 is in the universe. Like it's like, you don't know 0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:57.480 what SVU means, you know what I mean? Yeah, Like 0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.960 I wonder if these people have a show like a like, 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.680 is dick Wolf in the in the dick Wolf universe? 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:04.759 That's my question. I don't think so. 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:07.000 Like the only time they've like been on a set 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.520 of a show was the one episode we did Obscene. 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:13.239 You know, and then there's the episode we haven't done 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:15.480 yet where there there's like a Bachelor type show, but 0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:18.040 it's not even the real Bachelor, you know. So I 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:21.160 think that media and television always a little bit skewed, 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:24.640 and so there might be some show called like sex 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:26.040 police or something, but it's not. 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:30.319 Yeah, but I like what I will? I like want 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:32.960 to know how and I just like that. But the 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:36.040 mom is shocked when she finds out. She goes sex crimes, 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.080 Why are you involved? And they're like, Ellie was found 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:42.040 half naked with sperm and spit on her And Chris 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.560 tells her about the bar, and Benson's like, someone could 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:47.640 have followed her, and she flips okay, and she flips 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:49.200 out the mom and she goes, okay, my son was 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:52.520 stabbed twice. He's also a victim. It's like no one 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:55.040 said he's not. She's so white lives matter. I like, 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:58.960 I can't. Chris apologizes for his mom and says they 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.440 can come back tomorrow. On the way out, he answers 0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:04.160 the question from earlier that the mom interrupted about, like 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:07.080 the alcohol in the guy's breath, and he says whiskey. 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.960 Benson nods and stars Silva goes, oh, whiskey, isn't that 0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:13.640 what they were drinking? And Benson's like, well, I mean 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:15.799 the roommates said they were fighting and got pulled over, 0:55:16.239 --> 0:55:18.640 and you know that's not online. But it seems like 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.160 everything they put online is very highly curated. So let's 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:24.680 see the distance of their online in real life personas, please, 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:27.360 So we need to figure out get details from the 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:29.480 traffic stop and also why she went to the bar 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:31.719 in the first place. Silva goes off to do some 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:34.000 tasks and then the shot ends on Benson kind of 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:37.440 rubbing her hands together and like, how do you describe this? 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:40.000 Like a washing hand motion? Yeah it is? 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:43.880 Or like yeah, an evil plot, but a good plot 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:45.720 thinking hands, I would. 0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:47.160 Say a washing hand motion, isn't that? 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:48.799 Yeah, like where your hands were kind of doing a 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:50.439 dance and swirling around each other. 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:50.839 Yeah. 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.799 Yeah. So and now it's office time and it's all 0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:57.279 hands on deck, including the FBI guy. So Silva is 0:55:57.320 --> 0:56:01.239 a hero because she figured out like that they were 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:03.880 pulled over the day before they attack in Georgia. This 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:06.480 is a little hole, so you're telling me in two 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.280 days on this trip, they went from Georgia to Rockland 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:11.480 County and not stopping. 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:15.120 A lot of that is hikeable, Like that's the Appalachian drill. 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.000 Like that's what I mean when you stop and like 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:20.120 hike and visit places, like you're just skipping North Carolina, 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:25.880 like the Carolinas in Maryland and all like a correct yeah. 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:27.520 Yeah, but they're not even in rush, Like why wouldn't 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:30.520 they make it instead of Georgia, make it Carolina Virginia. 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.880 Why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you literally just make it 0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:35.040 Pennsylvania like the day before. 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:41.000 Yeah, it really confused me. So there, and there's no 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.120 report because there's no ticket. So Finn and Velasco go 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:46.320 talk to those officers on a zoom call on like 0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:49.120 a big scream, and he goes, oh, what happened to 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:52.560 that couple is a sin lol. So he says they 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.960 behaved right, but he could tell something was off when 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:56.880 he pulled them over because Ellie had a bruise on 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.239 her arm and she said it she got it while 0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:03.799 hiking in kick Colorado and look, yeah, whatever, I guess 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:08.400 they're really zooming through in between hikes like, so Velasco 0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:11.480 asks if he believed that that's how she got it, 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:13.520 and he's like, well, every time I asked her a question, 0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:16.640 she looked at Chris before answering and not wanting to 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:18.800 say something is wrong. But he goes, this isn't the 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:20.680 first time I've seen a woman try to cover up 0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:23.880 like for her jackass boyfriend and Finn goes, don't I 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:26.440 know it, So there's not enough to arrest him, but 0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:29.600 something was off with him, and they asked about bodycamp 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:31.680 footage and he's like, well, I don't even have a choice, 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:33.360 and it's like they turn it off all the time, 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.280 and that's how a bunch of the evidence for Luigi's 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:38.680 gonna get thrown out like whatever. And so now we're 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:41.720 watching the footage and it's clear that she's in distress 0:57:41.800 --> 0:57:45.240 and shaking and nervous and looking like over like fuck, 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:47.400 like she looks like a scared person. 0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:50.560 The bruise is so bad, it's so fresh. 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:52.840 There's no way that Bruce would be that fresh from 0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:59.040 Colorado to Georgia. I just they really have to get 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:05.000 a new geography person on the staff. And she's clearly 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:07.440 lying about the bruise. She says she's fine, but she's not. 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:10.440 And then Rockland County never said anything about the bruise, 0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:13.480 and Bruno's like, Captain, what are you thinking? She goes, 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:15.400 I've seen that look on a woman's face before, and 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:18.520 Silva said, so do I, and it's like obvious she 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:21.280 is scared of Chris. There is no whiskey mountain man 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.600 Benson goes like, we know what they posted online, what 0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:27.479 did they edit out? Go through the footage, So there's 0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:30.080 tons of footage Silva and Bruno's looking through all of it, 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:32.520 and then finally in one of it, a tripod falls 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:36.120 and Bruno's being like patronizing as fuck, and like, I 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.080 don't know, He's just like, this is just one of 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:41.160 those cases. It's gonna get under your skin. She goes, 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:44.240 you know, this is poetic. We're about to learn a 0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:45.959 lot about her before they kick her to the curb. 0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:49.640 So she goes, it's strange to watch someone's happy moments 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:53.960 knowing they might never forget one again. Oh dark, He says, 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:56.360 we haven't found anything damning, and she goes, well, there's 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:59.400 a lot more footage, and he's like seems annoyed, and 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:01.560 it's also like you want a lawsuit. You don't even 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:05.120 have to be working, so like, what are you doing. 0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.120 So finally there's a video of her doing yoga and 0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:10.440 it's in a really pretty place like mountains behind her 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:14.360 in a trail like water, and they're arguing though and 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:16.600 about the focus of the camera, and he screams and 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:18.960 he rushes at her as the camera tips, so you 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:21.520 can only see them from the waist down, and he's like, 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:24.400 I'm sick of this. You're such a wasted time. This 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.080 is a waste of time. Are you stupid? Are you stupid? 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:27.520 Ellie? 0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.240 And then he fucking punches her and you hear the 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.560 punch and so that's probably how she got the bruise. 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:36.360 So Bruno's like, okay, yeah, so then so then Bruno goes, 0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:38.840 so you really think this kid almost killed his girlfriend 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.800 then stabbed himself twice? You were right, and we need 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.080 to get that knife. So he could have just helped 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:47.880 her from the beginning. But okay, Benson in the FBI, 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.720 it's like so annoying. Benson and the FBI show him 0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:53.240 the video of the traffic stop, and you know, it's 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:55.400 like Chris and the mom and she's like, they didn't 0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:56.120 even get a ticket. 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:58.440 Who cares? And why are you showing us this? 0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:01.040 And Benson and girlns the mom and just asks Chris 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:02.960 like how did she get this bruise? And he goes 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.160 hiking and she goes, did you tell her to say that? 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:07.280 And Ellie? 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:10.040 And he says, Ellie has her own mind, And then 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.200 they show him the video of him clearly punching her 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:16.760 a lot of iPad time in this episode, and she says, so, 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:19.160 I'm gonna ask you again how did she get that bruise? 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:22.560 And he starts to excuse his behavior and it's like, well, 1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:26.360 you just also lied, so nothing. I hate everyone. He's 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:28.840 such a good actor. I hate him and surprised so 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.520 does his mom. Okay, like the mom doesn't. The mom 1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:34.160 is okay with the behavior too. He says, we've been 1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:36.360 a couple for two years, and the mom goes, every 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:39.440 couple fights and he goes, so I lost my temper 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:42.200 on the road. I'm sorry, and then there's tense music 1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:45.040 and then it hits him like and then he goes, wait, 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:47.919 do you think I tried to kill her? 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:48.920 Like truly shocked? 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:51.920 And the mom goes yeah, and then stabbed himself twice, 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.600 once in the heart. Okay, And he goes, what about 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:57.640 the guy who's spit on her? And the FBI guy's like, well, 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:01.000 there's an alibi, bro, So he said maybe with someone else, 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:03.600 and then the mom yells, what have you even done 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:05.280 anything to find this other person? 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:06.880 And it's like, yeah, you dumb bitch. 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:10.680 Benson goes, the problem with that, Chris is that person 1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:13.560 doesn't exist and that's a stone cold line. And then 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:16.520 did you watch any of John Cena's final match? No, 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:18.160 I can't say that I did. I didn't even know 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:18.919 that that was the thing. 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:24.600 I thought John Cena stopped wrestling a long. 1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:27.240 Time ago, I know, but now he like officially is 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:29.400 like out like final match type things. 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:31.800 And how was the final match? I don't know. 1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:35.280 There's just there's a waitress that works at the Fat 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:37.640 Black and she's obsessed. So I watched videos of her 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:40.200 crying watching it, and like she was showing me photos 1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:43.480 of it. But and then a couple of people were 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:46.760 explaining like that the Rock was signed on to do 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:49.720 this huge storyline with him, and then after doing it 1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:54.200 once backed out and kind of fucked Seena's storyline, so 1:01:54.200 --> 1:01:56.560 it wasn't even what he truly wanted. Like, I guess 1:01:56.560 --> 1:01:59.320 there's been some drama. Do you pay attention to this case? 1:01:59.400 --> 1:01:59.600 You know? 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:03.880 Right? Came an era, end of an era? Yeah, the Jorts. 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.960 I like him. I want to meet John Cena. I 1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:09.320 worked with him. He was really cool. Oh my god, 1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:15.320 I forgot about what not whiplash whiplash, wipe out, wipe out, 1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:16.080 wipe bus. 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:19.400 That was fun and did you like him. 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:23.640 Yeah, I, well, he's like way funnier than most like 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.680 athletes that you like. He's he's got good comic timing, 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:29.920 and he like loved Nicole so much, so he was 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:32.720 just like, you know, he was like always talking to 1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:33.800 her and asking about something. 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:35.800 But I would say, like he's kind of private. 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:38.920 He's really private about like his wife and where he 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:41.160 lives and like talking about personal stuff. I would say, 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:43.120 I just like noticed that about a couple of things 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:46.240 when people ask him stuff, like you know, But I 1:02:46.320 --> 1:02:48.800 was just listening to him and Nicole chat in my earpiece. 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:50.720 Ah, they were cute. 1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:52.920 Yeah, he seems great. I hope he's not on the 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:53.760 Epstein list. 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.120 I doubt it. I did too, But. 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:56.640 You never know. 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:00.480 Rosey's obsessed with John cenacause they mention him in one 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.280 of her favorite like sitcoms that she watches now, and 1:03:03.320 --> 1:03:06.000 so she's always like John Zino, like she's talking about 1:03:06.080 --> 1:03:10.200 what scom is she watching the Thunderman's Oh my god, 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:12.600 I can't believe she's that sitcom age. Oh yeah, she 1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:15.640 loves the fucking Thundermans. And now she's talking even more 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:17.280 like a sitcom child all the time. 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:20.280 It's crazy. What does a sitcom child sound like? 1:03:20.440 --> 1:03:22.240 You know, well, Jared and I are kind of doing 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:24.360 this like on stage where we'll be like now she's 1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:28.120 like she's be like, uh, Mom, don't go in there, 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:30.040 you know what I mean, Like just like this really 1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:31.360 canned way of kids talking. 1:03:31.560 --> 1:03:35.280 She'd be like, I told you, mom, that's just ask her. 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:35.600 You know. 1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:39.080 It's like very like the way that like the show 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:42.120 will freeze frame and be like created by whatever. Like 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:45.440 that's how she talks now, not all the time, but 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:49.240 and it's like exacerbated by this fucking the Thundermans, which 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:51.920 is so Nickelodeon like classic. 1:03:52.480 --> 1:03:53.720 I can't believe it. 1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:58.080 So okay, back to back to this, back to the tragedy, 1:03:58.200 --> 1:04:01.760 back to the tragedy. So oh yeah, this stone call, 1:04:01.840 --> 1:04:04.919 I'm like, what, it's always fun to find out how 1:04:05.000 --> 1:04:09.040 your brain moved to different task. And so Chris goes, well, 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:11.680 obviously someone saw her showering and tried to rape her. 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:15.680 And and then she's by the way, is there more 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:19.640 than one DNA besides the spit like his DNA is, well, 1:04:19.720 --> 1:04:23.040 that's why it's tried to Okay, got it, and then 1:04:23.080 --> 1:04:24.560 he came to save it. So that's what he said. 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:27.240 He goes, yeah, I went to protect her. Yeah, that 1:04:27.560 --> 1:04:29.640 to me, And it's like, well, who do you think 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:31.800 that is? The dirty man with the beard that you 1:04:31.920 --> 1:04:34.280 later conveniently remembered as whiskey? 1:04:34.600 --> 1:04:36.680 Yeah? Did you plan all that? Baby? And I mean, 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:37.920 this scene is theater. I love it. 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:42.080 I'm obsessed. But and it's like, clearly it's because Ellie 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:44.080 had whiskey on her breath and you're fine. I mean, 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:46.480 this guy's slick as fuck. And the mom goes, why 1:04:46.520 --> 1:04:48.080 does it feel like we should get a lawyer? And 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:50.680 the man goes, cause you do. And so the mom 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:52.800 shuts it down and Chris goes, no, I did nothing wrong. 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:54.840 I want to help, and the mom goes shut up, 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:57.200 and Benson goes, let us know when you get a lawyer. 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:01.600 Benson an FBI guy walk outside and he's like, so, 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:03.680 what's the theory. She goes, he did it, that's it, 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:06.600 and we need to get that knife back from Quantico asap. 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:08.160 So we're back in the woods and we get the 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:10.360 knife and you know, Silva's about to put it in 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:12.600 those fucking tree holes and it's going to fit perfectly, 1:05:12.600 --> 1:05:14.080 and we could have just done this right in the 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:16.880 beginning he stabbed himself. He ran into the tree. We 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.400 know it. It fits perfectly like those kid toys shape, 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:22.400 you know, shape and shape holes. So then Bruno takes 1:05:22.400 --> 1:05:24.440 the knife to like test it out since he's a 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:26.840 similar height to Chris, and it's right on the heart 1:05:26.880 --> 1:05:29.840 and in the sternham level, and Silva goes, so should 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:31.480 we test it if it also fits in the stomach 1:05:31.520 --> 1:05:33.919 part too, And he goes, okay, I think you've made 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:35.840 your point. And it's like I would truly never let 1:05:35.920 --> 1:05:38.600 him live this down and he ran straight into the 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:41.680 fucking tree, and Bruno goes, that's pretty hardcore, and Silva goes, 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:44.680 I don't think he was planning to live. So Bruno goes, 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:48.000 he's gonna wish he didn't live. Once Benson gets through 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:50.880 with him, and Benson's telling Ellie's mom and she's like, 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:53.480 no fucking way. She's son distraught. She says, why don't 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:56.040 we ask Ellie? And Benson goes, I don't. I don't 1:05:56.040 --> 1:05:58.720 know about that, and so but then of course she will, 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:02.160 so Benson and is asking, you know, holding her hand 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:05.240 and squeezing in, go squeeze my hand if if it's Chris, 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:07.840 you know, they zoom in on the hands and she's like, 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:08.760 squeeze my hand. 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:11.000 If it's Chris. Tell me if it's Chris, did Chris. 1:06:10.800 --> 1:06:14.640 Do this to you? And yes, she squeezes the hand. 1:06:14.840 --> 1:06:17.600 So the FBI and Benson walk in the hospital to 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:21.240 you know, it's a few floors away to arrest his ass. 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:25.160 Since she squeezed the hand, they have a warrant. They 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:28.400 are scared that it's not enough evidence. But uh oh, 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:30.720 even worse, where the fuck is he? He checked out 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:33.480 a half hour ago, So why are you running? You 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:34.800 didn't do anything. Why are you running? 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:35.560 They pull up to. 1:06:35.560 --> 1:06:37.760 The mom's house, so she's putting groceries in her car, 1:06:38.200 --> 1:06:40.640 and it's like tons of red and blue cars Velasco's 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:42.680 approaching her and she says, he's not here, and I 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:43.760 have no idea where he is. 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:45.280 How would that make sense? 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:48.240 Your son just got shot twice, you were with him 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:50.240 the whole time, and you have no idea where your 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:51.040 shot son is? 1:06:51.080 --> 1:06:53.720 Like, in what world would anyone believe you? We all 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:55.360 know you're lying. It's so silly. 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:57.160 And then out of the grocery bag is a box 1:06:57.160 --> 1:07:00.600 of puffins cereal And I need to know more information 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:02.360 on the props. 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:04.520 Did they get a spot? Like, what the fuck? Puffins 1:07:04.560 --> 1:07:07.360 are a Trader Joe brand, aren't they? I used to 1:07:07.400 --> 1:07:08.040 buy them at Jewell. 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:11.000 Maybe they became a Trader Joe thing, but I've had 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:13.680 I've been I've been a Puffins fan for a bit. 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:16.520 Oh okay, I always thought it was a Trader Joe 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:18.280 because I've gotten them at Sprouts too. 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:24.560 Oh wait, yeah, the brand is actually Barbara's. Puffat's. Barbara's 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:27.080 is the brand. So maybe they just sell them at 1:07:27.240 --> 1:07:30.800 or whatever. But yeah, the Puffins caught my eye as 1:07:30.840 --> 1:07:31.640 well as. 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:33.320 Theah fully out of the bag. 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:35.520 It's like, halfway up the bag, you see the full puffin, 1:07:36.240 --> 1:07:39.400 like you, it's the I just wanted to maybe like 1:07:39.480 --> 1:07:41.200 Dick Wolf invested in Barbara's. 1:07:41.360 --> 1:07:46.760 Like it just seems like so wild because you don't 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:48.920 see a lot of name brand shit in SVU. 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:50.560 No. 1:07:50.560 --> 1:07:54.200 No. And so then they pop the gate to this truck, 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:56.160 and of course he's in the truck hiding there. So 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:58.400 they're going to rest the mom too. So now we're 1:07:58.440 --> 1:08:00.640 in cement room bars and she goes, I need a lawyer. 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:02.880 I did nothing wrong. I did nothing illegal. I'm just 1:08:02.920 --> 1:08:05.640 being a mother. They're like well, you helped him escape, 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:07.880 and she goes the FBI captain already made up their 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:10.120 minds and that he did it, and Finn goes, yeah, 1:08:10.160 --> 1:08:12.880 and that's actually based on the evidence, but the mom 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:13.960 refuses to accept that. 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:16.280 She goes, that's not Chris. I know Chris. 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:18.280 That's not Chris, and Velaska goes, well, maybe I don't 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:20.280 know him as well as you think, and she goes, yeah, yeah, 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:22.720 I wasn't a good mother. Get over it. I had 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:26.479 a lot going on. And Ben's like, okay, so you 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:28.200 want to make up for twenty five years of bad 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:31.920 parenting with aiding and embedding an attempted murderer and she says, 1:08:31.920 --> 1:08:35.000 I'm protecting my child what any mother would do. And 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:37.040 she says the cops and FBI are going to be 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:40.000 sorry because they screwed this case up. The real killer's 1:08:40.040 --> 1:08:42.800 still out there, and Finn goes, nah, babe, it's staring 1:08:42.840 --> 1:08:45.880 you all in your like it's your son, and she 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:49.040 screams that he loves Ellie and then she screams, I'm 1:08:49.040 --> 1:08:49.559 a good mother. 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:51.000 I am I am. 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:54.840 Benson is watching the iPad of him punching, you know, 1:08:55.200 --> 1:08:57.519 the arm, over and over again in the iPad and 1:08:57.600 --> 1:09:00.240 so then the cemetroom bars door opens, Chris is broad in. 1:09:00.840 --> 1:09:02.760 Benson gets up and goes, like, you can sit here, 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:05.320 and he's with a suit lawyer who says, hey, we're 1:09:05.360 --> 1:09:08.400 here to cooperate. Chris tells the lawyer like, I told 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:10.880 them everything, and Benson goes, that's not true at all. 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:13.280 You didn't tell us what went wrong between you and Ellie. 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:16.679 You are really in love and no care in the world, right, 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:19.160 So what's up? And he starts crying. He's like, we 1:09:19.160 --> 1:09:22.000 were happy, and Benson goes, then what happened? We know 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:24.679 you hit her. We assume that wasn't the first time, 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:27.679 and we know it wasn't the last. And Benson shows 1:09:27.680 --> 1:09:29.840 Ellie with tubes in her mouth and says, look at her, 1:09:29.920 --> 1:09:31.920 and he won't. And she says again, look at her 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:34.439 and he will not. All that joy and life ahead 1:09:34.479 --> 1:09:36.200 of her, But now doctors want to take her off 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:36.799 life support? 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:38.320 And look at what you did to her? 1:09:38.680 --> 1:09:40.680 And he slowly looks at the photo and goes, I 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:42.920 didn't do it and shakes his head, and Benson goes, 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:45.400 do you always run away from the things you didn't do? 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:47.320 Is that what you're going to do? Live in the 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:50.519 bed of your mother's truck forever. And the lawyer is screaming, 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:53.479 stop it, stop it, that's enough, and but Benson continues 1:09:53.520 --> 1:09:55.760 to scream, and finally he cracks, she's so good at 1:09:55.760 --> 1:09:58.800 her job. I didn't mean too We got him. We 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:03.280 got into a fight, and I woke We got into a. 1:10:03.240 --> 1:10:09.200 Fight, my girl, she got him. We got into a fight. 1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:10.679 I woke up and she was gone. 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:13.760 I laid awake for waiting for her, and then I 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:15.600 heard the shower turn on, and I got up and 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:18.840 I saw her undressing and she was mad when she left, 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:20.600 and then like she smelled like booze, and then she 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:23.080 was going to go in the shower. And Benson goes, oh, 1:10:23.120 --> 1:10:25.680 so you assume she cheated on you, right, and so 1:10:25.720 --> 1:10:28.000 you flew into a rage and he goes, yeah, I 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:30.360 grabbed a rock and I hit her, and it's finally 1:10:30.400 --> 1:10:33.200 all out there. He says I wasn't trying to kill her, 1:10:33.240 --> 1:10:35.519 and Benson looks at him, like the dirt he is. 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:39.960 So then Benson says, the sex that night wasn't consensual, 1:10:40.280 --> 1:10:40.479 was it? 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:40.920 Chris? 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:43.880 You raped Ellie to remind her who was in control. 1:10:44.200 --> 1:10:47.000 Then you stabbed yourself twice so you would look like 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:49.439 the victim. And he goes, no, I was trying to 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:51.600 kill myself. I didn't want to live without Ellie, and 1:10:51.640 --> 1:10:54.599 Benson goes, that's what it looks like in your posts, Chris, 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:58.160 but there's a very big disconnect between those photos and 1:10:58.200 --> 1:11:00.680 the way you actually treated her. And he says he 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:02.800 wants to go back, and she shows him Ellie with 1:11:02.840 --> 1:11:05.800 all the tubes. Again, you can't. It's too late for that, 1:11:06.000 --> 1:11:08.599 and then the tablet thuds on the table door slams. 1:11:08.640 --> 1:11:11.360 He has left there. Bruno and Silva are alone in 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:14.040 the office and we're gonna learn about her again. Why 1:11:14.080 --> 1:11:15.640 did they like this is almost the end of this 1:11:15.680 --> 1:11:17.080 Oh no, it's the beginning of the season. I'm like, 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:21.040 why would they make us like know her full backstory 1:11:21.160 --> 1:11:22.840 and then like rid of her sofa? 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:26.200 I just well, they did with Silva, move her to 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:28.760 another show on dick Way, so maybe it was like 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.799 they wanted. I think she joined another show. I'm almost positive. Okay, 1:11:33.400 --> 1:11:38.200 this actress whose name is Juliana Aiden Martinez, I think 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:40.720 she moved on to like FBI or something like that. 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:44.960 Okay, so yeah, they're having like a moment Benson's gone 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:48.200 off to the hospital and Bruno goes, you know what 1:11:48.240 --> 1:11:50.160 I haven't figured out about you. Why you switch from 1:11:50.200 --> 1:11:52.439 homicide to sex crimes. You might be you must be 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:55.080 a masochist or something. And it's like, you work in 1:11:55.200 --> 1:11:58.639 sex crimes? Are you a masochist? I don't, I just 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:01.360 she says, Okay, I was having a sleepover at my 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:04.439 best friend's fifth floor walk up in Washington Heights, and 1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:05.960 this is when she was a kid, and she goes, 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:07.640 I went to pee and I heard a noise and 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:09.720 I looked outside and a woman was being attacked by 1:12:09.720 --> 1:12:11.760 some guy in the street. And I saw an old 1:12:11.840 --> 1:12:13.920 lady in the window watching, and I assumed she would 1:12:13.960 --> 1:12:15.240 call the cops, but she didn't. 1:12:15.360 --> 1:12:16.160 She just watched. 1:12:16.200 --> 1:12:18.719 No one did. And then she scoffs and goes, yeah, 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:20.559 and she went on with her life because the next 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:23.400 day she gets up and turns the corner to head home, 1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:25.880 and the whole place was a crime scene. And she 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:28.599 later found out the woman was raped and murdered and 1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:31.640 that was that. And so he goes, oh, okay, you 1:12:31.680 --> 1:12:33.720 got the pendance on the murder, and you want some 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:36.240 penance for the rape, And she says something like that 1:12:36.360 --> 1:12:39.080 to Bruno. He sits down at his desk across from 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:42.120 her and they start clickity clacking on their laptops. And 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:44.400 then back at the hospital, Benson talks to Ellie and 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:46.880 thanks her for being so incredibly strong and for helping 1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:49.240 us find the truth. But what I really wanted you 1:12:49.280 --> 1:12:51.479 to know is that we got him and he's going 1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:53.400 away for a long time and he will never hurt 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:56.439 anyone again because of you. And she is so sad 1:12:56.520 --> 1:12:59.120 and she you know. She holds Ellie's hand and Benson says, 1:12:59.160 --> 1:13:01.200 I just hope you know that. And it's a slow 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:09.880 zoom out and that's Dickwolf Baby. 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:15.559 Obviously, this episode came out when twenty twenty four, So 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:19.719 this is based on the story of Gabby Petito, which 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:24.479 was a international I would say, headline making crime. 1:13:25.880 --> 1:13:27.800 So I'm gonna go through that. 1:13:27.880 --> 1:13:31.360 I mean, I it's like, it's interesting the stuff that 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:34.799 happens while this podcast has existed, Like I'm always like, oh, 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:37.000 I'm following, but then I'm like, I know, I'm gonna 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:40.360 have to research it heavily one day. So I knew 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:42.320 the general about this, but I didn't know a lot 1:13:42.360 --> 1:13:45.519 of the details. So I was actually happy to research 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:50.800 it for today. So but yeah, this this is the 1:13:50.800 --> 1:13:54.360 story of Gabby Patito. And she grew up on Long Island, 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:57.800 where she graduated high school in twenty seventeen, and she 1:13:57.880 --> 1:14:01.200 seemed like a happy kid, an amazing artist like drawing 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:03.960 and really great artists, and high school is where she 1:14:04.040 --> 1:14:08.000 met Brian Christopher Laundry, though they did not start dating 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:11.080 until years after graduation in twenty nineteen, when she was 1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:14.400 like around twenty. When they got together, she quickly moved 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:16.360 down to Florida to be with him because I guess 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:17.840 that's where his parents had moved. 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:22.280 And for a while it was great in Florida. 1:14:22.520 --> 1:14:25.120 You know, all her social posts show that she's like 1:14:25.160 --> 1:14:26.960 having a good time and like they're going to the 1:14:27.000 --> 1:14:30.639 beach and stuff, and there's pictures of her with Brian's 1:14:30.680 --> 1:14:34.680 mom and stuff. But then apparently the mom got more 1:14:34.680 --> 1:14:37.599 comfortable with her being around and started being a little 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:39.320 bit meaner to Gabby, and apparently it was a little 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:42.240 bit jealous of how much time Gabby and Brian spent together, 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:44.840 and the vibes in the house got awkward. According to 1:14:44.880 --> 1:14:48.240 some of her friends, like very hashtag boy mom. This 1:14:48.320 --> 1:14:53.120 woman you'll find out more. According to Gabby's mom in 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:57.080 the documentary on Netflix called American Murder Gabby Patito, which 1:14:57.120 --> 1:14:59.479 is one of my sources that I would recommend everybody 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:02.080 watch if they were want to get a visual on 1:15:02.680 --> 1:15:05.840 you know this how this whole case went down. They 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:10.719 thought at one point, Gabby's forwarding a dress got forwarded 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:13.080 back from the USPS, like from the US Postal Service. 1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:15.000 It got forwarded back to her parents in Long Island, 1:15:15.240 --> 1:15:16.880 and the mom calls up Gabby and she's like, oh, 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:17.800 are you moving back home? 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:19.000 Did you forward your dress? 1:15:19.040 --> 1:15:21.519 And she's like, I didn't do that, and like but 1:15:21.560 --> 1:15:24.479 she knew it was like her like not mother in law, 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:27.640 but her boyfriend's mom like forwarded her shit back up 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:29.680 to like I think trying to get her out of there. 1:15:30.120 --> 1:15:32.160 So it felt like her mom wanted her out of 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:36.960 the house. She Gabby made a really good friend through 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:42.280 Bumble friends, Rose Davis. They became really good friends in 1:15:42.320 --> 1:15:44.720 Florida and Rose was like, I had no friends I 1:15:44.720 --> 1:15:45.240 met Gabby. 1:15:45.280 --> 1:15:47.960 We were just like instant click. We got close really quickly. 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:53.160 We would like hang around, make tiktoks, like Rose would 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:56.040 drive delivery for Dominoes and Gabby would just drive around 1:15:56.040 --> 1:15:57.640 in her car with her, and there's like videos of 1:15:57.680 --> 1:16:00.160 them like having fun and just like you know know, 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:04.400 fucking around being like two cute girls, like just being buddies. 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:09.040 And uh, Rose was like said, what a bunch of 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:11.519 people said about Brian was that he's like a nice guy, 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:15.040 like polite, nice, but something felt a little bit off 1:16:15.320 --> 1:16:17.640 and she felt Rose felt like she felt he had 1:16:17.640 --> 1:16:20.320 a dark side, and then he seemed manipulative, like he 1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:23.760 would treat her really badly and then he would be like, 1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:27.519 I'm so sorry and start crying, and then he'd do 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:30.040 something really nice for her, and she'd completely forget. 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:31.920 Like one time she was supposed to meet Rose to 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:32.400 go somewhere. 1:16:32.400 --> 1:16:33.800 I think they were going to a concert or something, 1:16:33.840 --> 1:16:35.719 and they had to drive a little bit far away 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:37.439 and she's like, oh my god, I got to your 1:16:37.439 --> 1:16:38.960 house and I realized that in in my ID, so 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:40.439 I went home to get it, and it turned out 1:16:40.640 --> 1:16:43.120 he had taken her wallet. He had taken her wallet 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:46.479 because he didn't want her to go out. So these 1:16:46.600 --> 1:16:51.400 fucking like little controlling things that people are like, oh what, 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:55.639 you know, harmless, It's like they all add up. Yeah, 1:16:55.840 --> 1:17:00.840 So Gabby and Brian both worked at Publics just shout 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:03.639 out to a great grocery store in the South Publics. 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:08.679 They both quit their jobs when COVID hit in early 1:17:08.720 --> 1:17:11.599 twenty twenty, and then in July of twenty twenty, they 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:14.840 got engaged. They went camping, he got down on one 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:17.400 knee to propose, and then, according to what he told 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:19.160 a friend, was like, even though he didn't have a ring, 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:22.760 at the moment that he was proposing to her, a firefly. 1:17:22.360 --> 1:17:23.679 Landed on her ring finger. 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:27.240 So they were always like nature wants us to be together, right, 1:17:28.080 --> 1:17:30.840 So at first she like didn't tell people, like her mom, 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:34.280 like I think saw one of his family members or 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:37.240 somebody like posted on Facebook and was like, are you 1:17:37.240 --> 1:17:39.519 guys engaged? Like called her daughter to be like are 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:42.080 you guys engaged? And she's like, oh, yeah, we just 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:45.160 got engaged on this camping trip or whatever. And so 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:48.840 at this point, if they're getting engaged in twenty twenty, yeah, 1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:53.280 she's like twenty one, and she's just like not telling 1:17:53.320 --> 1:17:56.599 everybody immediately, which I think people are catching as another 1:17:56.640 --> 1:18:00.800 red flag. And here's a weird thing the documentary. And 1:18:00.840 --> 1:18:03.519 I don't know how you feel about this, because I've 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:05.360 watched a lot of documentaries with the'll just get a 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:08.240 voiceover person to read the person's voice as they're reading 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:11.040 out text messages or journal entries or something like that. 1:18:12.000 --> 1:18:16.599 In this one, they're using voice recognition technology to make 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:19.879 it sound like Gabby because there is so much Gabby. 1:18:20.439 --> 1:18:23.200 There's so much of her, like just through social media 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:25.519 making like, you know, posts that there's enough of her 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:28.680 voice that they did that. So this doc has her 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:31.840 like reading out journal entries and it's just kind of weird. 1:18:32.160 --> 1:18:34.599 But I mean, I don't like where we're going with 1:18:34.640 --> 1:18:37.280 this now, Yeah, we don't need it. It doesn't make 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:40.400 it since it's disgusting, honestly, Yeah, like it could just 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:42.640 be somebody reading it. And it's like it's just a 1:18:42.680 --> 1:18:45.240 little eerie because you hear so much of her speaking 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.400 in real life in the video in the in the dock, 1:18:48.479 --> 1:18:50.800 because there's so much video of her, But then to 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:53.680 have the journal entries be read like she participated in 1:18:53.720 --> 1:18:56.680 the dock is weird, you know, because she didn't. 1:18:56.360 --> 1:18:57.360 Participate in the dock. 1:18:58.520 --> 1:19:02.280 So anyway, December of twenty twenty, they bought a van. 1:19:02.560 --> 1:19:05.240 They converted it into a camper. It's like a Ford 1:19:05.280 --> 1:19:07.160 transit is the kind of van it is. It's like 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:10.280 a smaller van, like bigger than a mini van obviously, 1:19:10.320 --> 1:19:13.759 but not like a sprinter. And it's and they converted 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:15.559 into a camper and their hope is to like travel 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:18.559 cross country and start a van life blog, which you know, 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:21.320 van life is like people that convert these vans, they 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:24.360 travel around. It's like kind of I've never seen a 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:29.519 life look more like, Hell, you have to be so tidy, 1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:33.040 so minimal, so like this has to go here and 1:19:33.080 --> 1:19:34.840 here and here because you're just in there. You're got 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:38.240 to un the septic tanks, the parking, I mean, the protection, 1:19:38.400 --> 1:19:40.640 the peeing, the shah, I mean, I can't imagine a 1:19:40.680 --> 1:19:42.040 worse fate for myself. 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:43.320 It's absolutely not for me. 1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:45.720 It feels like it's almost like trying to one up 1:19:45.760 --> 1:19:48.080 the tiny home life. Like all these people were doing 1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:49.840 tiny homes and then people are like, how about we 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:52.960 put that home on wheels and we like move around, 1:19:53.640 --> 1:19:56.360 So like they're trying to do this van life stuff. 1:19:56.400 --> 1:20:00.240 Really that's Gabby's goal, right, she wants to do that stuff. 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:04.840 She fucking hustles to make money for this adventure. She 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:07.599 starts working at Taco Bell for fifty hours a week 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:10.840 and she's having a good time. She's like, yep, I 1:20:10.880 --> 1:20:13.200 have to tell everybody to have a spicy day or whatever, 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:15.519 and I fucking love it. Like she's having a nice time, 1:20:16.000 --> 1:20:18.280 just like making friends at work, and she's just like 1:20:18.320 --> 1:20:22.120 a nice kid, Like she just seems like she gets 1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:26.679 along with people. She's easy going, and she's working long 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:28.880 ass hours to try to make money for them to 1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:29.639 go on this adventure. 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:33.320 And she's the one that buys the van. And meanwhile Brian. 1:20:33.160 --> 1:20:36.439 Is possessive and he's texting her shit like I fucking 1:20:36.479 --> 1:20:38.320 hate that you ever worked at Taco Bell with all 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:40.759 those low lives and now you've become one of them. 1:20:40.960 --> 1:20:43.640 Shit like that, And the text between them show a 1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:47.080 lot of emotional manipulation, like he'll be like, oh my god, 1:20:47.120 --> 1:20:49.479 I'm sorry I said that. I'm crying so hard right now, 1:20:49.560 --> 1:20:51.960 I'm in the I'm so afraid you're gonna leave me, 1:20:52.160 --> 1:20:54.960 And then it's just her like taking it all on 1:20:55.040 --> 1:20:58.240 that she's made him cry, and like all her texts 1:20:58.240 --> 1:20:58.960 back are like. 1:20:59.200 --> 1:21:00.720 No, babe, I'm not going to leave. 1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:02.719 I love you so much, it's fine, Like you're okay. 1:21:02.760 --> 1:21:05.400 I wanted you to have a happy day, like it's 1:21:05.479 --> 1:21:10.080 such emotional manipulation like that. He just cries and is like, 1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:13.599 it's kind of your fault or whatever. And then she 1:21:13.680 --> 1:21:16.400 did she does, like in the text, also stand up 1:21:16.400 --> 1:21:19.160 for herself and is like, I don't like it when 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:20.040 you talk badly to me. 1:21:20.080 --> 1:21:21.519 I don't like it when you call me names. 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:25.400 And it got to a point where her friend says, 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:29.840 in the dock, she started to see like what was 1:21:29.840 --> 1:21:32.400 going on? What was going on, and he could tell 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:36.639 she could tell, and so he started to isolate her, right, 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:40.879 So so suddenly he's on board with this trip. Suddenly 1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:43.519 he's like, let's go. They leave June of twenty twenty one, 1:21:44.120 --> 1:21:46.400 like literally, I think that they got into some kind 1:21:46.439 --> 1:21:48.519 of fight, like right before that, and in June, like 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:51.120 the next month, the friend goes, she's gone. The next month, 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:53.320 they leave Florida, they go up to New York to 1:21:53.520 --> 1:21:55.680 see I think her brother was graduating high school or 1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:56.240 something like that. 1:21:56.520 --> 1:21:57.320 They want to go do that. 1:21:57.600 --> 1:22:00.559 Then July second, twenty twenty one, they set off from 1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:03.599 New York on their four month van life road trip. Okay, 1:22:03.800 --> 1:22:06.759 so obviously the show flips it so that they're coming 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:08.840 west to East because they have to end up in 1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:13.880 SVU territory, right, So she documented a lot of what 1:22:13.880 --> 1:22:18.240 they were doing on Instagram, and she was shooting a 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:21.599 lot of footage to try to do YouTube, and then 1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:24.040 you kind of see her like learning how to vlog. 1:22:24.120 --> 1:22:27.280 There's like so much footage where she's like, oh wait, 1:22:27.320 --> 1:22:29.479 does that shot look bad? And she's like redoing it, 1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:32.800 and you could just tell she's like really dedicated to it. 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:37.200 She's not necessarily like I'm not trying to insult a 1:22:37.280 --> 1:22:41.920 victim or anything, but like she's not necessarily like amazing 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:45.080 at like talking to the camera right away. And she 1:22:45.160 --> 1:22:47.280 even says she goes, God, it's so awkward like talking 1:22:47.320 --> 1:22:50.760 to the camera, you know, and I wouldn't even say 1:22:50.800 --> 1:22:52.840 that's like something I'm great at, you know, like just 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:57.240 talking to yourself on the camera, and because sometimes he's there, 1:22:57.280 --> 1:22:59.240 but sometimes he's not. You know, Like she does a 1:22:59.240 --> 1:23:02.160 lot of it on her own, and she's very dedicated 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:04.080 to making this vlog thing like her career. Like she 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:07.719 has a drone she's working on practicing getting these gorgeous 1:23:07.800 --> 1:23:10.679 drone shots of their camping, like they're going to super 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:14.439 super gorgeous places, so that she can get the scenery 1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:17.240 and like do like the way that in the episode 1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:19.519 she's doing yoga in a beautiful place, like that's what 1:23:19.760 --> 1:23:23.760 That's what Gabby's doing. So and her Instagram bio read 1:23:23.800 --> 1:23:26.559 and still reads traveling the world in our tiny van, 1:23:26.760 --> 1:23:30.280 and then it also says art, yoga and veggies, so she's, 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:31.960 you know, trying to live. 1:23:31.920 --> 1:23:33.040 Like that that life. 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:36.439 And so apparently Brian kind of thought the vlog was stupid, 1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:39.839 although there's a lot of footage of them. There's footage 1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:42.320 of them where he's playing along. He's like, hey, guys, 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:44.360 I'm Ryan, and she's like and I'm Gabby, and he's like, 1:23:44.400 --> 1:23:45.360 and we thought it was time. 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:46.640 To give you a little tour of our van. Like 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:48.360 he's going along with it. 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:51.360 Well, yeah, he needs people to not be suspicious of 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:51.800 him or. 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:54.760 Yes, but also it's like I think he's like he's 1:23:54.800 --> 1:23:56.280 into it for a little bit, and then I think 1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:58.240 as soon as he sees that it's something that is 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:01.439 going to take any amount of her time away from him, 1:24:01.479 --> 1:24:03.679 he's like, I don't this is annoying. 1:24:04.160 --> 1:24:05.960 So there my brain went where it's like, yeah, it 1:24:06.000 --> 1:24:08.040 was all fun and games until she had something else 1:24:08.080 --> 1:24:11.520 in her life, right, Yeah, what if it works. 1:24:11.840 --> 1:24:13.800 What if this works and it becomes a big blog 1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:16.160 and she has money and resources and gets the fuck 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:16.680 away from me. 1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:19.240 You know, Like it's like so scary. I mean, that's 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:21.960 like that's a lesson. As soon as there's a boy, mom, 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:24.439 you gotta run. We need to start punishing these people. 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:28.800 I mean it's like, see, so there is footage of them, 1:24:28.880 --> 1:24:31.080 just like in the episode, bickering a little bit, like 1:24:31.120 --> 1:24:34.080 sniping at each other, and that's like out or that 1:24:34.120 --> 1:24:36.840 the police know that the police found that's in the dock. 1:24:37.120 --> 1:24:39.200 It's in the dock, but it's not in the thing. 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:42.439 There's nothing where he punches her like in the in 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:46.040 the episode, but like them arguing and sniping at each 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:47.800 other and her doing it too. She's like, you know, 1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:49.200 I didn't want that. Why are you giving me that? 1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:50.880 Like you know, like and whatever. They're living in a 1:24:50.920 --> 1:24:53.639 band together for four months, it's normal, but that none 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:56.240 of that is what people saw. So they're bopping around 1:24:56.400 --> 1:24:59.800 the West bunch of cool National parks, Monument Rocks, Great 1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:03.400 Stand and Dune's National Park and Preserve, Zion, Bryce Canyon, 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:06.360 Mystic Hot Springs, Canyon Lands like they're going. They're hitting 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:09.479 all the hot national parks, which you can now not 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:11.800 go to for free anymore on MLKDA, and you will 1:25:11.840 --> 1:25:13.679 have to go to them for free on Donald Trump's 1:25:13.680 --> 1:25:18.840 fucking birthday. Kill me anyway, So let's get into this. 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:21.680 Is that's all now, That is all backstory leading up 1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:26.120 till now. August twelfth, twenty twenty one, Gabby and Bryant 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:29.439 are spotted fighting in Moab, Utah, And I've been to 1:25:29.479 --> 1:25:32.599 Moab on my cross country trip during the pandemic, which 1:25:32.680 --> 1:25:37.240 honestly was a month after this. Oh my god, Wait, 1:25:37.240 --> 1:25:39.639 did you do a full cross country not cross country 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:40.680 but La to Colorado? 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:41.160 Yeah? 1:25:42.240 --> 1:25:45.400 Yeah, and we did that in September of twenty twenty one, 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:47.599 so a month after this. 1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:51.400 Wow, crazy, I like forgot and I was there. Wow. 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:55.920 Okay, so somebody So at this point of August twelfth, 1:25:55.960 --> 1:25:57.760 twenty twenty one, they've been on the road together for 1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:01.040 forty one days. Okay, someone calls N one one and 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:02.760 it's a man that calls on one money. He goes, yeah, 1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:05.920 I just saw this guy slap this girl. And then 1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:07.519 they kind of ran up and down the street a 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:09.400 little bit, and then they got in the car and 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:12.679 they drove away, and so the police pull them over. 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:15.080 The police are following them, and there's bodycam footage in 1:26:15.120 --> 1:26:17.200 the dock where the police are like, oh, yeah, I 1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:18.880 think I've got the van, and then he goes, whoa 1:26:18.920 --> 1:26:21.840 because he sees the van hit the curb, like the 1:26:21.920 --> 1:26:24.960 van is driving erratically and like can't see herb So 1:26:25.439 --> 1:26:29.760 when they pull them over, Gabby is crying hysterically, and 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:33.040 the body cam footage shows her saying to the cops 1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:35.880 like she's talking to them for a while, and she goes, yeah, 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:37.640 I don't know if some days I just I have 1:26:37.760 --> 1:26:40.240 really bad OCD. I was just cleaning and straightening up 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:42.640 the back of the van before I was apologizing to 1:26:42.680 --> 1:26:44.760 him and saying I'm sorry that I'm so mean, because 1:26:44.800 --> 1:26:47.560 sometimes I have OCD and sometimes I can get really frustrated, 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:50.559 not like mean towards him. I just like my vibe 1:26:50.600 --> 1:26:53.320 is I'm in a bad mood, and I was just 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:55.479 saying sorry if I'm in a bad mood. I just 1:26:55.560 --> 1:26:57.040 I had so much work I was doing on my 1:26:57.080 --> 1:26:59.599 computer this morning, and I just now quit my job 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:01.400 to travel across the country, and I'm trying to start 1:27:01.400 --> 1:27:03.519 a blog. So I've been building my website. I've been 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:05.400 really stressed and he doesn't really believe that I could 1:27:05.400 --> 1:27:07.400 do any of it. So we've just been fighting all 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:09.240 morning and he wouldn't let me in the car before. 1:27:09.360 --> 1:27:10.920 He told me I needed to calm down. But I'm 1:27:10.960 --> 1:27:14.599 perfectly calm. I'm calm all the time, and like you, 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:18.280 like your heart's going breaks for her, your heart breaks 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:20.240 for her in this she's like so upset just talking 1:27:20.240 --> 1:27:22.200 to these cops where she's just like you could just 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:23.240 tell she's at the end of a rope. 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:25.840 She's like, I can't get anything fucking right. I think 1:27:25.920 --> 1:27:26.479 anything right. 1:27:26.520 --> 1:27:28.559 This guy is always he doesn't believe what I can do, 1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:30.760 like he doesn't believe and what I can do, me 1:27:30.920 --> 1:27:33.280 working to go on this trip wasn't enough now, like 1:27:33.360 --> 1:27:36.400 you know, it's this and that, it's I'm straightening up 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:38.160 too much, or I'm in a bad mood, or I 1:27:38.200 --> 1:27:40.040 have too much work on my computer, like he you 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:44.360 can just tell, she's like and he gaslights her, being 1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:48.280 like you are you have anxiety, you have mental health issues. 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:51.240 You need to calm down, Calm down, calm down, calm down. 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:54.439 And she's like, I'm fucking calm all the time. Like 1:27:54.840 --> 1:27:58.320 but and so at first, when I'm watching this doc, 1:27:58.479 --> 1:28:00.000 I think the cop is being very nice to her. 1:28:00.160 --> 1:28:02.479 This one cop talking to her, he's like, listen, why 1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:04.160 don't I put you in my car, get you in 1:28:04.200 --> 1:28:04.519 the AC. 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:06.799 You're not in any trouble at all. You're okay. 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:09.160 And then like at one point, like a little later, 1:28:09.200 --> 1:28:10.720 she's like, do you guys have a phone so I 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:12.479 can call my mom? And like that makes her tear 1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:14.599 up even more, like like she just wants to call 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:15.520 her mom. 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:18.200 And then we go to the footage of them. 1:28:18.040 --> 1:28:22.000 Talking to Brian and of course they're like what's up, like, 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:25.479 and Brian has some marks on him. Meanwhile, Gabby has 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:27.720 fucking marks on her face. They show it in the dock. 1:28:28.120 --> 1:28:29.960 She has marks on her face, but for some reason, 1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:31.640 the cops have not asked her about these marks on 1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:36.720 her face. And he's got some marks on him and 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:40.880 he goes yeah, you know, like and he's playing it 1:28:40.960 --> 1:28:43.839 really calm. He's not like, oh my god, my girlfriend's 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:44.559 a fucking psycho. 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:44.680 Like. 1:28:44.720 --> 1:28:46.880 He's playing it very calm with the cops, like he 1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:50.400 knows exactly how to manipulate them, and he's like, yeah, 1:28:50.600 --> 1:28:53.400 she was swinging on me, and I just pushed her away. 1:28:53.439 --> 1:28:54.920 I know I shouldn't have pushed her, but like, I 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:56.840 just pushed her away. She had her phone in her hand. 1:28:56.880 --> 1:28:58.519 I just didn't want her to clock me with the phone. 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:01.320 And then but yeah, and they're like, what about those marks, 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:02.760 and he goes, yeah, she got me, like she ended 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:05.880 up getting me. And then she tells the officer, yeah, 1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:09.519 I guess I hit him first, and she has marks 1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:11.760 on her face where I guess he grabbed her, telling 1:29:11.800 --> 1:29:16.160 her to calm down, and the cops are saying, oh, 1:29:16.200 --> 1:29:18.719 she's a twenty two year old with anxiety, but she's 1:29:18.760 --> 1:29:21.200 the main aggressor. I mean, you get a full comp 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:23.920 you get a full footage of the cops in a 1:29:23.960 --> 1:29:25.320 circle talking to each other. 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:26.439 They don't know what to do. 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:29.720 They're kind of like, yet, seems like she's the main aggressor, 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:32.479 and they're like, yeah, that's what he's saying too. So 1:29:32.560 --> 1:29:35.000 what they got from what Gabby said was that she's 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:37.400 the main aggressor, even though that's not what she said. 1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:40.400 She was like like, that's not what she said. These 1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:42.679 cops like do not get domestic violence in this case 1:29:42.680 --> 1:29:44.920 at all. So there's body cam footage of these cops 1:29:44.920 --> 1:29:46.840 discussing the situation, being like, geez, like, I don't know 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:47.320 what do we do. 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:51.400 Do we like go full DV or do we do this? 1:29:51.600 --> 1:29:53.280 Or do we do that? But if they're gonna go 1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:58.160 full DV, they're gonna do it against Gabby, not against him. 1:29:58.640 --> 1:30:00.920 And so they're like, well, listen. 1:30:01.080 --> 1:30:03.719 The thing with that is like there's always the worry 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:07.040 of you know, it escalates and it becomes something worse 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:09.880 after we let them go. I don't think there's a 1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:13.360 big worry that he's going to become a battered man, 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:14.120 this guy. 1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:17.400 So then one of them and like one of them 1:30:17.439 --> 1:30:19.439 goes oh. 1:30:19.840 --> 1:30:22.680 The Another option is we could separate them for the night. 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:28.400 We could separate them. So I'm gonna get back to this. 1:30:28.680 --> 1:30:31.920 But in one report, one of these officers wrote, at 1:30:31.920 --> 1:30:35.639 no point in my investigation did Gabrielle stop crying, breathing heavily, 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:38.280 or compose a sentence without needing to wipe away tears, 1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:41.040 wipe her nose, or rub her knees with her hands. 1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:44.080 The Mail tried to create distance by telling Gabby to 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:46.080 take a walk to calm down. She did not want 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:48.200 to be separated from the Mail and began slapping him. 1:30:48.200 --> 1:30:50.000 He grabbed her face and pushed her back as she 1:30:50.080 --> 1:30:52.720 pressed upon him in the van. So this is like 1:30:52.760 --> 1:30:55.880 what they had in their report. And so none of 1:30:55.880 --> 1:30:58.720 them they didn't want to press charges. The two of 1:30:58.880 --> 1:31:02.080 the Gabby orb yeah, and so the cops chopped it 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:05.080 up to a mental breakdown instead of DV and they 1:31:05.160 --> 1:31:09.679 ultimately did separate them. They sent him to a motel 1:31:09.760 --> 1:31:12.519 in Moab, and they had her stay in the van 1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:13.280 by herself. 1:31:14.320 --> 1:31:14.840 I have no. 1:31:14.960 --> 1:31:18.719 Fucking clue, Like that's actually a DV like survivor motel. 1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:21.400 It's like where they put DV survivors in this area 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:24.680 at this motel. They put him there, and they're like, 1:31:24.760 --> 1:31:29.600 let's put this one hundred and ten pound blonde girl 1:31:29.880 --> 1:31:33.960 by herself who's hysterical in a van by herself overnight. Like, 1:31:34.120 --> 1:31:36.280 I do not get it. Gabby did not want that 1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:39.400 to happen. She did not want to be separated. She goes, 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:42.000 it was just a silly argument, and the female officer goes, yeah, 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:44.120 but like, silly arguments don't end with putting hands on 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:44.519 each other. 1:31:44.680 --> 1:31:47.519 Like he has marks, and I'm like, so does she? 1:31:47.720 --> 1:31:49.559 Are we not looking at the same footage of this 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:53.880 person like she has marks on her face, and they 1:31:53.880 --> 1:31:56.600 tell both of them they're kind of being like condescending 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:59.080 now at this point, like they're telling them, okay, guys, 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:02.719 don't text each other. No texting each other, just sleep 1:32:02.760 --> 1:32:05.679 it off till tomorrow. The cops are buddying up to Brian. 1:32:06.000 --> 1:32:08.639 This one guy goes. One of the cops keeps telling 1:32:08.640 --> 1:32:10.439 Gabby want to Hey, there's this place down here where 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:12.080 you can take a shower for like five books. 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:14.280 It's like really cheap. I know for my wife. 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:16.880 She gets like this too, and it really helps when 1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:18.439 she takes a shower. And I wanted to be like, 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:21.400 I'm gonna fucking throw something in my television. 1:32:20.880 --> 1:32:23.840 Like are you kidding me? Like, oh, your wife also 1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:26.360 gets worked up quote unquote, and it's good for her 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:27.800 to take a shower to chill out. 1:32:29.120 --> 1:32:31.599 And so he tells Brian that too. He's like, yeah, 1:32:31.680 --> 1:32:34.360 my wife has anxiety too. She gets like this and 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:37.200 I just told her about the shower that could help 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:40.559 or whatever. And so, you know, the couple do end 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:42.479 up meeting up later that night, even though the cops 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:45.240 told them that they could not even text, and eventually 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:48.960 they start heading towards Salt Lake City. Okay, so this 1:32:49.040 --> 1:32:52.479 is August twelfth. All that happened on August twelfth. Ten 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:55.519 days later, it's August twenty second. She texts her ex 1:32:55.600 --> 1:32:58.479 boyfriend Jackson, and she texts him, I'm sure I'm the 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:00.240 last person on the planet you want to hear from, 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:02.280 but I'd really love to talk to you. I'm only 1:33:02.320 --> 1:33:06.120 alone until tomorrow. So they talk on the phone. They 1:33:06.200 --> 1:33:09.679 catch up. Nothing serious gets brought up, but he gets 1:33:09.680 --> 1:33:11.840 a vibe from her that she might want to talk 1:33:11.920 --> 1:33:14.760 more and that she needs help, and he thinks that 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:16.760 that phone call was like a cry for help. And 1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:18.599 he talks about also how like this had been an 1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:20.519 idea that they had had when they were together. They 1:33:20.560 --> 1:33:22.759 dated for like a year before she got together with Brian, 1:33:23.080 --> 1:33:26.720 about doing van life and driving across country. And he's like, 1:33:26.920 --> 1:33:28.840 you know, but I was happy for her that she 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:30.760 was getting to do what she wanted to do. And 1:33:30.800 --> 1:33:33.960 then he says, in the dock, she told me she 1:33:34.000 --> 1:33:36.040 was going to leave him. She had a plan to 1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:37.679 do it, she said. She goes, I've got a whole 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:39.000 plan of how I'm going to get out. I know 1:33:39.040 --> 1:33:43.839 how to do it. So five days later, August twenty seventh, 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:47.200 they go to Whole Foods in Jackson, Hawayoming and this 1:33:47.280 --> 1:33:51.080 is the last on camera footage that exists of Gabby. 1:33:51.479 --> 1:33:53.479 So August twenty seventh, this is the last time we 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:56.000 have her on camera. Her and her mom. 1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:57.439 Tell those cops get in trouble. 1:33:57.800 --> 1:34:04.360 Well you'll see her mom text and she says to 1:34:04.439 --> 1:34:06.640 her mom, Brian's gonna camp alone in the woods and 1:34:06.680 --> 1:34:10.200 I'm gonna take the van. And the mom goes, waiter, 1:34:10.240 --> 1:34:13.200 are you guys breaking up? And she goes, no, no, 1:34:13.280 --> 1:34:15.000 I just told him I could make more money as 1:34:15.040 --> 1:34:17.080 a single female van lifer. 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:20.880 So but she says, we're not breaking up. 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:22.360 I just told him I would make more money doing 1:34:22.360 --> 1:34:24.360 the van life thing on my own, like if it 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:25.200 appeared I'm alone. 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:25.519 Whatever. 1:34:25.560 --> 1:34:28.080 Maybe that's how she thought, like, Hey, you don't really 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:29.559 seem to like this, Why don't I just do it 1:34:29.600 --> 1:34:31.400 on my own and I'll like work on my blog 1:34:31.439 --> 1:34:33.320 and like we'll get that. I'll see you in a 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:36.840 couple months when I'm done or whatever. That was on 1:34:36.880 --> 1:34:42.000 the twenty eighth, and then on August twenty ninth, this 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:46.040 woman picks up Brian hitchhiking in Grand Teton National Park 1:34:46.600 --> 1:34:49.920 and he asks her to take him to this campsite 1:34:50.000 --> 1:34:55.400 ten minutes away, which is called Spread Creek Campground, so 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:57.759 it's about ten minutes away. So she's like, yeah, no problem, 1:34:57.760 --> 1:35:02.800 I'll take you. And he explains his whole situation. Oh, 1:35:02.840 --> 1:35:05.400 my fiancees in the van. She's working on her blog. 1:35:05.520 --> 1:35:08.120 We have this blog together, blah blah blah. And then 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:10.040 he gets out and the woman is like, you know, 1:35:10.120 --> 1:35:12.280 he kind of smelled stinky, like he'd been hiking for 1:35:12.320 --> 1:35:14.000 a while, but like he didn't you know that. I 1:35:14.040 --> 1:35:18.680 didn't think anything was weird about him. August thirtieth, her 1:35:18.680 --> 1:35:21.360 mom gets a text that doesn't really sound like her. 1:35:21.880 --> 1:35:22.439 She goes. 1:35:22.680 --> 1:35:24.920 She says something like, can you help Stan out? He 1:35:25.040 --> 1:35:28.880 keeps trying to contact me and I have bad reception here. 1:35:29.240 --> 1:35:32.800 Stan is her grandfather who she never calls Stan. So 1:35:33.160 --> 1:35:35.160 the mom right away is kind of like Stan, like, 1:35:35.200 --> 1:35:39.360 why are you calling your grandfather that? And so that's 1:35:39.400 --> 1:35:43.360 August thirtieth. September one, September second, her mom's reaching out 1:35:43.360 --> 1:35:46.160 to her, texting her, not hearing back. There's no new 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:51.240 social posts. Her last Instagram was August twenty fifth. She 1:35:51.400 --> 1:35:55.640 keeps texting her. On September sixth, September seventh, she's going, Hey, 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:58.360 I'm getting really worried, like I haven't heard from you. 1:35:58.400 --> 1:36:00.320 I know your reception is bad, but at this point 1:36:00.680 --> 1:36:02.799 they've been all over the place and she's been texting 1:36:02.840 --> 1:36:06.280 with her mom frequently. Right, her and her mom have 1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:08.160 not had a falling out. There's no reason why they're 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:12.120 not talking. September ninth, she's not had contact with Gabby 1:36:12.160 --> 1:36:15.200 in ten days, so her mom reaches out to her dad. 1:36:15.280 --> 1:36:18.799 They're divorced in the documentary, they're both sitting separately with their. 1:36:18.640 --> 1:36:20.559 Partners and they live in separate states. 1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:23.280 So she reaches out to her ex, being like, hey, 1:36:23.280 --> 1:36:25.599 have you heard from Gabby And he's like no, So 1:36:25.680 --> 1:36:29.439 then she reaches out to Brian's parents, no response. The 1:36:29.520 --> 1:36:33.400 dad reaches out to the parents, no response. They reach 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:36.880 out to Brian's sister, not a word. Even after they 1:36:36.880 --> 1:36:39.839 write we're calling the police, they don't get a response 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:44.880 from his family. So September eleventh now, still no word 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:48.200 from either of them. It's been twelve days. They're calling 1:36:48.240 --> 1:36:50.360 the parks. They're calling all these parks being like, we 1:36:50.439 --> 1:36:53.439 think they're there, whatever, But you have to file a 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:57.800 missing person's report in their place of residence. So they 1:36:57.840 --> 1:37:00.479 have to call the police department in nor with Port, 1:37:00.560 --> 1:37:06.840 Florida to start the missing person's case. Okay, so they call, 1:37:07.280 --> 1:37:10.320 they call them. The officers go to the laundry family home. 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:13.080 They it's one of those situations where they have like 1:37:13.120 --> 1:37:15.920 a screened in porch, So the cops are at the 1:37:15.920 --> 1:37:18.120 porch door and they're at the door to the house, 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:20.720 so there's a lot of distance between them, and they 1:37:20.760 --> 1:37:22.439 won't come out. They won't even come out to where 1:37:22.439 --> 1:37:24.439 the cops are. They just open the door of their 1:37:24.439 --> 1:37:26.960 house and they're like, yeah, we don't we don't want. 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:27.519 To talk to the cops. 1:37:27.520 --> 1:37:30.360 And they're like okay, well, but like they're looking for 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:33.559 the cops keep calling her Gabriel. They obviously like rend 1:37:33.640 --> 1:37:36.400 something incorrectly, but they keep calling her Gabriel. But they're like, 1:37:36.439 --> 1:37:39.439 we're looking for Gabrielle Patito, like do you know where shit? 1:37:39.520 --> 1:37:41.360 And they're like, we don't. We don't want to talk 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:43.200 to you. We don't want to talk to you. And 1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:44.920 the cop goes, you don't want to talk to us, 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:47.800 like that's it. Like, so then they go. The van 1:37:48.520 --> 1:37:51.439 is parked in their driveway. The van is parked in 1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:55.439 their driveway. So they tell them, oh, yeah, Brian is 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:58.000 here and that's all he's gonna say. And they go, 1:37:58.080 --> 1:37:59.800 we have an attorney, and they go, great, can we 1:37:59.800 --> 1:38:02.080 get number for your attorney? He hands him a piece 1:38:02.080 --> 1:38:05.479 of paper with the numbers of the attorney. So the 1:38:05.560 --> 1:38:10.120 sister apparently family knows that he did it. Very hashtag 1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:14.120 boy mom. The sister has told a detective that Brian 1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:16.200 and Gabby got into a fight, he left her at 1:38:16.240 --> 1:38:17.519 a hotel and he flew back. 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:20.759 How'd the van get back to Florida? Them babe? Okay. 1:38:21.360 --> 1:38:25.000 So it's sketchy as fuck, and the parents just straight 1:38:25.080 --> 1:38:26.840 up will not talk to the cops, and they won't 1:38:26.880 --> 1:38:29.240 let the cops talk to Brian either. So they're like, okay, 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:32.400 well the van is registered to Gabby, so we're gonna 1:38:32.400 --> 1:38:35.439 toe it. And they're like, okay, we're gonna move our 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:37.840 They move their cars, so they get the fucking ban out. 1:38:37.840 --> 1:38:39.280 This family's so weird. 1:38:39.640 --> 1:38:44.600 The Gabby's family does missing posters full press conference like 1:38:44.640 --> 1:38:47.280 it's a full court press. Like within a couple of days, 1:38:47.560 --> 1:38:49.599 we all know what happens. The story is all over 1:38:49.640 --> 1:38:54.040 the news. People are protesting at the laundry's home like 1:38:54.080 --> 1:38:57.000 every day, like there's foot days as if the car 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:00.600 was registered under Gabby, they should have rested them for 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:03.760 a theft. 1:39:03.040 --> 1:39:06.280 Right, Yeah, it feels like what you would have done. Yeah, 1:39:06.280 --> 1:39:07.639 that's what I would have done. Yeah. 1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:09.519 But I'm like, oh, that's not your car. You have 1:39:09.600 --> 1:39:11.920 no answers, you have nothing to say. You're under arrest. 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:13.240 Yeah. 1:39:13.600 --> 1:39:15.720 Yeah, you took someone's car. You left her in a 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:17.040 hotel and took her car. 1:39:17.680 --> 1:39:21.080 Yeah, because the families initially when the cops came, kept 1:39:21.080 --> 1:39:23.040 saying it's their van, it's both of theirs, and then 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:24.840 they were like, well it's only registered to her, So. 1:39:24.880 --> 1:39:26.519 That's when you arrest them. You bring them in. I 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:28.519 don't understand how you allow them to act this weird. 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:31.040 It's like, so you got into a fight that bad 1:39:31.040 --> 1:39:33.760 that you don't care if your ex girlfriend of yours 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:34.479 is dead or alive. 1:39:34.840 --> 1:39:36.559 It's so it's so crazy. 1:39:37.360 --> 1:39:43.599 So obviously she is a beautiful, twenty two year old, blonde, 1:39:43.720 --> 1:39:47.559 white woman. So the press runs with this, and there's 1:39:47.600 --> 1:39:50.720 a lot of stuff happening at this time that is highlighting, 1:39:50.880 --> 1:39:53.200 you know, how women of color and indigenous women like 1:39:53.240 --> 1:39:56.400 do not receive the same kind of press coverage that 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:58.320 brings up a lot of that in this case as well. 1:39:58.360 --> 1:40:02.280 But the people are gathered outside of the laundry's home 1:40:02.320 --> 1:40:04.080 and I swear to God, the dad is mowing the 1:40:04.120 --> 1:40:06.160 lawn while people are just screaming at him. 1:40:06.080 --> 1:40:09.519 Where's Gabby, where's Brian? Why won't you talk? Like and 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:11.520 he's just mowing the lawn. It's so bizarre. 1:40:12.640 --> 1:40:18.479 And I remember like how psychotic this was and being like, 1:40:18.520 --> 1:40:22.080 oh wait, the family's just coming and going, Like I 1:40:22.120 --> 1:40:25.040 remember reading and being like, yeah, he's at his house 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:27.519 with his parents, and it's like and they don't, they're 1:40:27.520 --> 1:40:31.719 not How do you not have to compel him to speak? 1:40:31.840 --> 1:40:31.920 Like? 1:40:32.080 --> 1:40:32.960 It's so confusing. 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:36.240 So the last person who saw this woman like, yes, 1:40:36.840 --> 1:40:39.560 you're allowed to just not answer questions. 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:43.639 I mean, it sounds like that. The FBI gets involved. 1:40:44.160 --> 1:40:46.719 They find that the last place Gabby used her phone 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:49.599 was the Spread Creek campground, the one where Brian had 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:51.920 asked that lady to drop him off that day. So 1:40:52.560 --> 1:40:55.439 at one point there's footage of the sister coming out 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:57.760 of her home with her husband, and the press is 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:00.479 and the press and random protesters I think are just 1:41:00.520 --> 1:41:03.680 screaming at her. And she's like, wait, wait, wait, like 1:41:04.760 --> 1:41:08.080 we have been cooperating since day one, and I initially 1:41:08.120 --> 1:41:09.360 got she was talking about her whole family. 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:10.719 She's just talking about her and her husband. 1:41:11.120 --> 1:41:14.599 She goes, we're just as heartbroken and worried as everyone else, like, 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:16.240 and she's like, and. 1:41:16.200 --> 1:41:18.920 We don't have answers. No, it's the same sister. 1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:21.240 And she goes, and we don't have answers either, and 1:41:21.280 --> 1:41:23.880 they go, your parents aren't talking to you either, and 1:41:23.920 --> 1:41:27.680 she goes, no, So her parents and Brian are not 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:30.760 speaking to her or giving her any information. So this 1:41:30.800 --> 1:41:32.760 sister's outside of her house going, I am just as 1:41:32.760 --> 1:41:34.639 worried about my future sister in law. 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:36.960 I'm just as heartbroken as you all are. I don't 1:41:36.960 --> 1:41:37.479 know anything. 1:41:38.120 --> 1:41:42.640 So this is the point in time when the Moab 1:41:42.720 --> 1:41:46.719 footage comes out of the of the traffic stop. Okay, 1:41:47.200 --> 1:41:51.840 and yeah, her family, they're not huge fans of the 1:41:51.880 --> 1:41:55.280 cops standing around like laughing with Brian as he calls 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:58.600 her crazy and says stuff like yeah, she's been hysterical 1:41:58.640 --> 1:42:01.800 the whole time. And there is a female cop there too, 1:42:01.840 --> 1:42:07.280 which is also annoying. But on September seventeenth, someone calls 1:42:07.320 --> 1:42:12.360 in and says, something's up at the laundry's house and 1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:14.840 it's weird. They play the call, but you don't really know, 1:42:15.720 --> 1:42:17.400 You're like, he might be dead in there, he might 1:42:17.439 --> 1:42:19.040 have taken his own life. Like, we don't know what 1:42:19.120 --> 1:42:21.600 gave this person this idea. But someone calls in that 1:42:21.640 --> 1:42:24.280 somebody's going on at the laundry's house. So when they 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:26.640 get there, the police are told that the laundries have 1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:29.240 told them that Brian isn't home and that they hadn't 1:42:29.280 --> 1:42:31.719 seen him in days and they needed to report him missing. 1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:36.759 So they search the laundry house, they find a note 1:42:37.080 --> 1:42:40.280 that his mother has written to him with the title 1:42:40.400 --> 1:42:45.520 burn After reading okay and it is a fucking hashtag 1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:49.200 boy mom manifesto, it is like, I love you so 1:42:49.400 --> 1:42:52.680 much nothing you could do can make me stop loving you. 1:42:53.120 --> 1:42:55.320 If you're in jail, I'll bake a cake with a 1:42:55.360 --> 1:42:57.760 file in it. If you need to dispose of a 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:00.920 dead body, I'll show up with a shovel and garbage bags. 1:43:01.160 --> 1:43:04.360 That is in the letter from this woman to her son. 1:43:05.000 --> 1:43:08.160 Now do I, as a mother, ever want my kids 1:43:08.200 --> 1:43:11.880 to murder? Somebody surely know, But if they come to me, 1:43:12.320 --> 1:43:15.559 I just murdered my girlfriend. I don't think I'm gonna 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:17.559 be helping cover up that crime. I think we're gonna 1:43:17.560 --> 1:43:19.400 get you a good lawyer and we're gonna let's go 1:43:19.520 --> 1:43:22.560 go on and turn ourselves in. Like this is unhinged 1:43:22.600 --> 1:43:25.280 shit to say that to someone like and it's like 1:43:25.320 --> 1:43:27.200 what they kind of tried to channel into the mom 1:43:27.920 --> 1:43:30.200 in the in the episode where she's like, I would 1:43:30.240 --> 1:43:31.960 I'm just doing anything I could do for my kid, 1:43:31.960 --> 1:43:34.680 which anyone would do, and it's like, I don't know, 1:43:35.320 --> 1:43:37.920 I don't know murdering an innocent girl, Like. 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:39.640 I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. Don't think i'd be 1:43:39.680 --> 1:43:42.400 covering for that because he's gonna do it again. 1:43:42.840 --> 1:43:48.400 Yes, I should also say that they had dinner at 1:43:48.439 --> 1:43:53.519 this restaurant lunch, excuse me, at this restaurant in Jackson Hole, 1:43:54.000 --> 1:43:54.919 like the day. 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:57.439 Of the whole food's footage like one of her last 1:43:57.520 --> 1:44:00.840 days that they have footage of for her. And there's 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:02.800 this whole thing that happens at the at the lunch 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:05.840 where she leaves, she goes outside and she's texting him 1:44:05.880 --> 1:44:08.880 being like, I don't want to That food made me 1:44:08.920 --> 1:44:11.120 feel sick. Those Fahidas felt like they were the chicken 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:12.679 felt like it was off, and he was like, okay, 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:13.760 do you want me to come to you outside? And 1:44:13.800 --> 1:44:15.679 she's like, I don't really want to pay for food 1:44:15.680 --> 1:44:18.559 that I didn't That made me feel sick. And so 1:44:19.320 --> 1:44:22.519 I wonder if the drinking at the bar maybe leaving 1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:24.320 the tip, like if that's like a little bit connected, 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:26.080 because I don't know if they left without paying or not. 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:29.080 It's never really covered. But she was saying in her 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:30.600 text to Brian, I don't really want to pay for 1:44:30.600 --> 1:44:32.920 this food. But anyway, that's a little that's a that's 1:44:32.920 --> 1:44:33.960 a going back into the past. 1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:34.280 Okay. 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:37.640 So now they find this fucking weird letter in the 1:44:37.680 --> 1:44:42.240 house and the FBI asks the public for help, and 1:44:42.280 --> 1:44:44.280 they are getting hundreds of tips a day. 1:44:44.360 --> 1:44:44.759 Okay. 1:44:45.040 --> 1:44:47.920 People are coming forward who have picked Brian up hitchhiking. 1:44:48.840 --> 1:44:51.920 They also in the documentary talk to these like cartoon 1:44:52.080 --> 1:44:55.760 character van lifers, like there's it's this couple and they're 1:44:55.800 --> 1:44:59.920 just like yeah, like we're we like when you know, 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:03.320 we heard about her, because like when something happens like 1:45:03.360 --> 1:45:06.000 that in the nomad community, like it spreads really quickly. 1:45:06.120 --> 1:45:07.360 Like I can't even describe them. 1:45:07.400 --> 1:45:10.479 They're just like tattooed with like the La Girl hat 1:45:10.560 --> 1:45:11.240 on and like. 1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:13.920 They're just very van life creators. 1:45:13.960 --> 1:45:17.240 Okay, So they were camping around Spread Creek at that 1:45:17.400 --> 1:45:19.439 time and they were like, oh shit, let's go through 1:45:19.439 --> 1:45:22.280 our footage. They there literally was a call. This is 1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:25.160 how online, this whole fucking case is. There was a 1:45:25.160 --> 1:45:28.080 call to all creators like in that area, go through 1:45:28.080 --> 1:45:30.000 all your footage, go through all your footage and see 1:45:30.000 --> 1:45:33.280 if you see anything. Right, So they go through their 1:45:33.320 --> 1:45:36.280 footage and they had footage. 1:45:35.840 --> 1:45:36.400 Of the van. 1:45:36.840 --> 1:45:39.679 They haven't they passed the van. It was just sitting 1:45:39.720 --> 1:45:41.720 on the side of the road. They're like, fuck, we 1:45:41.800 --> 1:45:45.000 have it. That's Gabby's van. So now they have a 1:45:45.000 --> 1:45:47.400 search area because that's around the last place her phone 1:45:47.400 --> 1:45:49.559 worked and that's where the van is parked in this footage, 1:45:49.600 --> 1:45:52.000 and that's like kind of the last known footage they 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:58.839 had of the van. So on September nineteenth, there searching 1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:04.080 Spread Creek on horror back and they find a body 1:46:04.120 --> 1:46:08.479 and it is consistent with Gabby's body. She's lying on 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:12.240 her side, she's wrapped up in a sweater, and you know, 1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:14.519 the last time she had been heard from was August 1:46:14.560 --> 1:46:17.479 twenty seventh, and now it's September nineteenth, so for over 1:46:17.560 --> 1:46:19.560 three weeks she had just been lying there in the 1:46:19.600 --> 1:46:20.240 same position. 1:46:20.840 --> 1:46:22.360 There was a burn scar. 1:46:22.320 --> 1:46:26.160 On the ground in front of her, her boots were off, 1:46:26.280 --> 1:46:29.799 they were next to her body. So the cops basically 1:46:29.840 --> 1:46:32.000 were like, this looks like it's been staged. Like this 1:46:32.120 --> 1:46:35.320 her body, this has been staged. The emmy ruled it 1:46:35.320 --> 1:46:37.559 a homicide and the cause of death was blunt force 1:46:37.640 --> 1:46:42.200 trauma and manual strangulation. So now they still have to 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:44.519 start building the case, okay, because they were never able 1:46:44.560 --> 1:46:46.439 to really charge Brian with anything because they didn't have 1:46:46.439 --> 1:46:48.599 a body. Now they've got Now they have her body, 1:46:48.840 --> 1:46:52.200 and it's like really heartbreaking. In the documentary, they like 1:46:52.320 --> 1:46:55.200 her stepfather like identifies her body and it's like she 1:46:55.320 --> 1:46:57.280 describes it as like the worst moment of his life. 1:46:57.720 --> 1:47:00.599 And so now they've got to build the case against Brian. 1:47:01.000 --> 1:47:03.599 So they think that Brian killed Gabby on the twenty 1:47:03.680 --> 1:47:05.720 seventh and then moved the body to where it was 1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:09.960 found on the twenty eighth. He has gone hiking. This 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:11.920 is when he the message has been sent already that 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:14.400 he's going hiking on his own and he's taking all 1:47:14.400 --> 1:47:17.439 these pictures. Some are scenic, but it's also a bunch 1:47:17.479 --> 1:47:22.160 of skulls, like animal skulls. There's like random decomposed skulls. 1:47:22.720 --> 1:47:25.639 And then he makes a fifty five minute phone call 1:47:25.680 --> 1:47:28.599 to his mother, and after that phone call, his father 1:47:28.720 --> 1:47:33.839 contacts an attorney and he and his family are bouncing 1:47:33.840 --> 1:47:35.960 back and forth with phone calls, pinging for the rest 1:47:36.000 --> 1:47:40.080 of the day. And he is sending texts to Gabby's 1:47:40.080 --> 1:47:43.320 phone after she is dead, like he is sending texts 1:47:43.320 --> 1:47:45.800 to her phone being like, hey, babe, about to come 1:47:45.800 --> 1:47:47.600 out of the woods, like let me know if you 1:47:47.600 --> 1:47:50.280 want to join up, like no pressure, like it's really 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:52.760 beautiful out here, like all these like good natured, cool 1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:56.519 guy like nature boy texts or whatever about how he's 1:47:56.640 --> 1:48:00.360 enjoying the solo hike. So none of these texts get 1:48:00.400 --> 1:48:03.920 red until he's back in the Spread Creek area, and 1:48:03.960 --> 1:48:07.080 then he starts sending replies for her. And they could 1:48:07.080 --> 1:48:11.200 tell because the action of the text were like instantaneous 1:48:11.200 --> 1:48:13.960 almost like it was clearly somebody holding both phones in 1:48:14.000 --> 1:48:16.760 their hands and sending the text back and forth. So 1:48:17.520 --> 1:48:22.160 on August thirtieth, Ryan starts to head to Florida and 1:48:22.479 --> 1:48:26.559 Gabby's mom. That's around the time, right, like the day 1:48:26.640 --> 1:48:28.479 before that or around that time is when she got 1:48:28.479 --> 1:48:31.960 the weird text saying help me with Stan, and. 1:48:32.320 --> 1:48:34.479 He's using it. Do we know why he said that? 1:48:35.360 --> 1:48:37.759 Oh, he's trying to make it seem like she's alive still. 1:48:38.000 --> 1:48:40.320 But she never calls him San like he just didn't know. 1:48:40.360 --> 1:48:42.639 He's just like he just fucked up. Like that's probably 1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:44.479 how he was introduced to him. So he fucked up 1:48:44.479 --> 1:48:46.760 and like you know, it was like, hey, Stan's hitting 1:48:46.760 --> 1:48:47.040 me up. 1:48:47.080 --> 1:48:47.400 Whatever. 1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:53.120 So he uses Gabby's fucking debit card to pay for gas. 1:48:53.280 --> 1:48:55.280 This fucking loser doesn't have his own money. He's going 1:48:55.360 --> 1:48:57.120 to kill someone and then use her money for gas. 1:48:57.840 --> 1:49:01.240 And then there's also a Zell transaction that he sends 1:49:01.240 --> 1:49:04.920 from Gabby's phone from Gabby's account to his account for 1:49:05.000 --> 1:49:09.120 seven hundred dollars oh, where the note in the Zel 1:49:09.200 --> 1:49:12.920 transaction says goodbye, Brian, I'll never ask you for anything again. 1:49:14.360 --> 1:49:19.519 So in his fucked up mind, she's like he's painting 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:22.080 this story that they broke up and he's like, oh 1:49:22.120 --> 1:49:28.559 my god, here's seven hundred dollars, like for everything you've done, goodbye, farewell, Okay, 1:49:29.640 --> 1:49:32.799 so at this point, Brian is a full blown federal fugitive. Okay, 1:49:32.920 --> 1:49:35.960 everyone's looking for him. Even Dog the fucking bounty hunter 1:49:36.200 --> 1:49:41.120 is on this. Okay, he is involved. And they find 1:49:41.240 --> 1:49:44.639 one of the laundry's cars, a Mustang, near a park 1:49:45.240 --> 1:49:48.840 and that is one of Brian's favorite hiking spots. But 1:49:49.040 --> 1:49:52.240 it's this massive park and it's forty square miles, it's 1:49:52.320 --> 1:49:57.559 like twenty thousand acres something like that. And meanwhile, at 1:49:57.560 --> 1:50:00.640 one point, I guess the cops miss took. 1:50:00.600 --> 1:50:04.080 Brian for his mom. And there's text messages going back 1:50:04.120 --> 1:50:07.479 with the family, the mom, the dad, the sister, joking 1:50:07.520 --> 1:50:11.080 about lol, like they thought I was Brian. Oh well, 1:50:11.120 --> 1:50:13.760 I bet you got you looking good or something like that. 1:50:13.800 --> 1:50:17.200 All these texts about how it's so funny that the 1:50:17.240 --> 1:50:22.840 cops thought that Brian was his mother. Insane, Okay. They 1:50:22.920 --> 1:50:24.760 search for Brian for weeks. 1:50:25.080 --> 1:50:28.240 He is being he is missing for over a month, 1:50:28.360 --> 1:50:32.360 he is missing for five weeks, for thirty seven days, 1:50:32.479 --> 1:50:37.440 he's missing, and on October twentieth, the park was reopened 1:50:37.479 --> 1:50:40.280 to the public because there had been some flooding, and 1:50:41.000 --> 1:50:43.800 they're searching the park for him, like there's you know, 1:50:43.960 --> 1:50:46.960 volunteer teams and all and law enforcement. Everybody's trying to 1:50:46.960 --> 1:50:49.599 search this park for him. And then the laundries are like, 1:50:49.640 --> 1:50:51.160 we're gonna come down to the park to try to 1:50:51.160 --> 1:50:54.559 find Brian. We know his favorite spots. The family did 1:50:54.560 --> 1:50:57.559 not emote. Everybody said it was extremely tense when they 1:50:57.600 --> 1:51:00.920 got there. Within an hour, they found a waterproof bag 1:51:00.960 --> 1:51:04.920 that belonged to Brian. The family did soon after they 1:51:04.960 --> 1:51:08.200 found his remains approximately one mile from where he'd parked 1:51:08.240 --> 1:51:12.679 the car. So, I mean, they found the car parked there, 1:51:13.880 --> 1:51:17.080 and then for some reason it took so fucking long. 1:51:17.240 --> 1:51:19.439 But it's like Schandra Levy I always think of, was 1:51:19.479 --> 1:51:22.719 found less than a mile from where she was last seen, 1:51:23.120 --> 1:51:23.320 you know. 1:51:24.160 --> 1:51:25.519 So I don't know what happened. 1:51:25.520 --> 1:51:29.720 There weren't dogs or whatever, but he had completely decomposed 1:51:29.760 --> 1:51:32.760 all the way down to the bone. They said the 1:51:32.800 --> 1:51:36.200 cause of death was suicide by gunshot wound. He had 1:51:36.360 --> 1:51:38.320 taken his own life by shooting himself in the head. 1:51:39.280 --> 1:51:42.280 Inside the waterproof bag where photos of Brian and Gabby, 1:51:42.760 --> 1:51:45.519 there was a waterproof notebook where he had written letters 1:51:45.560 --> 1:51:48.680 to his family saying goodbye, professing his love to them. 1:51:49.000 --> 1:51:53.040 He wrote all of this shit in the notebook about 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:56.600 finding Gabby in a stream. When he got there, she 1:51:56.760 --> 1:51:59.720 was in this stream, the temperature had dropped. She was 1:51:59.760 --> 1:52:03.640 in pain, gasping for breath, and he couldn't take her 1:52:03.720 --> 1:52:06.120 pain away, and he admitted to ending her life to 1:52:06.120 --> 1:52:08.599 stop her pain. And he thought what he was doing 1:52:08.680 --> 1:52:11.559 was merciful, and then after he did it, he realized 1:52:11.560 --> 1:52:12.720 that he couldn't live without her. 1:52:13.200 --> 1:52:14.920 So of course none of this is true. 1:52:15.000 --> 1:52:19.880 Autopsy proves none of this garbage, and like, yeah, like 1:52:19.920 --> 1:52:20.360 there's not. 1:52:20.920 --> 1:52:23.040 Why do he take his own life? Did he disappear 1:52:23.080 --> 1:52:24.759 and do that or is it a fake body? 1:52:25.120 --> 1:52:25.479 What's going? 1:52:25.680 --> 1:52:25.840 No? 1:52:25.840 --> 1:52:27.599 No, no, he took his own life. Like it's him. 1:52:27.600 --> 1:52:31.240 He's identified and the law enforce. Law enforcement still does 1:52:31.280 --> 1:52:35.360 not know how involved the parents were, but they've. 1:52:34.880 --> 1:52:35.800 Let him do that. 1:52:35.920 --> 1:52:38.160 I like wonder if Yeah, I wonder. 1:52:38.680 --> 1:52:41.000 On the twenty eighth, which is the day after they 1:52:41.040 --> 1:52:43.880 think that she that he killed her, his family talked 1:52:43.880 --> 1:52:45.439 to him a bunch of times on the phone and 1:52:45.560 --> 1:52:51.559 wired money to a lawyer. So a year later, Gabby's 1:52:51.600 --> 1:52:55.280 family and her ex jackson, and her best friend Rose, 1:52:55.320 --> 1:52:57.240 they all go to Spread Creek to see where she 1:52:57.360 --> 1:53:00.840 was found they wanted to like honor her. Then they 1:53:00.920 --> 1:53:03.240 show that in the doc as well. Her parents have 1:53:03.320 --> 1:53:06.679 actually helped get DV legislation passed. They've like I don't 1:53:06.720 --> 1:53:09.000 know if it's federal, it's probably by state, but like 1:53:09.560 --> 1:53:11.960 a list of questions that you have to ask somebody 1:53:12.000 --> 1:53:14.800 if you suspect there's DV going on, you know, not 1:53:14.960 --> 1:53:17.960 just like winging it and seeing if a girl's just 1:53:18.080 --> 1:53:21.840 on her period having a little mentb or whatever, like 1:53:21.880 --> 1:53:25.559 she might actually be worn down from being emotionally and 1:53:25.640 --> 1:53:31.559 probably physically abused and h The crazy thing is, after 1:53:31.600 --> 1:53:34.400 all that she only made one van life video on 1:53:34.439 --> 1:53:38.560 YouTube and she put it up on August nineteenth, about 1:53:38.720 --> 1:53:41.519 you know, eight days, nine days before she was killed, 1:53:41.880 --> 1:53:44.719 and it got less than five hundred views. But now 1:53:44.760 --> 1:53:48.479 it has seven million views and her Instagram has one 1:53:48.479 --> 1:53:50.599 point two million followers. Like it's like what you said, 1:53:50.640 --> 1:53:54.160 Like she did not she was not popular, like yet 1:53:54.280 --> 1:53:58.120 she was working on the growing stages of her social 1:53:58.160 --> 1:54:01.080 media presence. And it's just really really sad there was 1:54:01.240 --> 1:54:04.639 no criminal charges were fouled against the family, his family, 1:54:04.680 --> 1:54:08.479 I mean, why that, Well, I think they couldn't prove anything. 1:54:08.479 --> 1:54:11.519 I don't think they could prove that that they I 1:54:11.640 --> 1:54:12.840 just don't understand. 1:54:12.479 --> 1:54:15.120 How wiring the money and all that is not again 1:54:15.240 --> 1:54:18.799 and having the van and lying to office start. 1:54:19.040 --> 1:54:21.680 But that his crimes like those are his crimes. They 1:54:21.680 --> 1:54:22.640 can't pin those on her. 1:54:22.760 --> 1:54:23.600 I guess got it. 1:54:23.960 --> 1:54:28.599 So like her parents though, Gabby's parents filed a wrongful 1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:31.519 death suit against Brian's parents in twenty twenty two, and 1:54:31.560 --> 1:54:33.360 it did settle in twenty twenty four, so I hope 1:54:33.360 --> 1:54:37.160 they had to pay. And they tried to sue the 1:54:37.200 --> 1:54:40.400 Moab PD in twenty twenty two, saying that they could 1:54:40.400 --> 1:54:43.120 have prevented her death, but a judge dismissed the case 1:54:43.160 --> 1:54:45.920 in twenty twenty four, essentially saying like the police did 1:54:45.960 --> 1:54:47.680 what they could and they couldn't have foreseen what was 1:54:47.720 --> 1:54:49.000 going to happen and. 1:54:49.080 --> 1:54:51.040 This and that. I mean, they could have taken it seriously, 1:54:51.560 --> 1:54:54.000 I know, not be laughing and immediately be like, oh 1:54:54.120 --> 1:54:57.640 yeah it's probably her. She's nuts. Uh you know women, 1:54:58.080 --> 1:55:00.600 It's like what the fuck? I just wish after that, 1:55:00.840 --> 1:55:03.080 like traffic, can't you have any instincts? 1:55:03.160 --> 1:55:04.000 Like That's another thing. 1:55:04.000 --> 1:55:06.640 It's like these cops want all of this hero status 1:55:06.640 --> 1:55:10.800 and adoration and it's like you're fucking idiots. You can't 1:55:10.880 --> 1:55:14.200 tell a human is in distress or acting weird, and 1:55:14.200 --> 1:55:16.440 maybe we shouldn't leave her in a van alone, Like 1:55:16.440 --> 1:55:17.160 what the fuck? 1:55:17.840 --> 1:55:21.280 Cause that's like it felt like a bunch of time passed. 1:55:21.360 --> 1:55:24.320 It did feel like thirty minutes, forty five minutes they 1:55:24.320 --> 1:55:26.960 were talking to these cops like and it's like she's 1:55:27.000 --> 1:55:29.840 not really calming down. I mean she is, like she 1:55:29.880 --> 1:55:33.400 can speak, but she's still visibly upset and like like 1:55:33.480 --> 1:55:35.440 you know, can't catch her breath and everything. And it's 1:55:35.520 --> 1:55:37.320 just like, yeah, this is like more than just like 1:55:37.360 --> 1:55:40.320 we've been fighting. I said, I was being a little 1:55:40.320 --> 1:55:43.960 ocd about cleaning the van like that. And then it's 1:55:43.960 --> 1:55:46.960 like I think he treats her like shit, screams at her, 1:55:47.280 --> 1:55:49.320 and then when she's upset, he just grabs her face 1:55:49.320 --> 1:55:52.680 and goes calm down, calm down, And it's like complete 1:55:52.760 --> 1:55:55.280 like the girl probably thought she was going absolutely insane 1:55:55.280 --> 1:55:56.520 with that kind of gaslighting. 1:55:56.640 --> 1:55:59.720 You know, that's exactly what gaslighting is. 1:55:59.640 --> 1:56:02.560 Like you're trying to have like literally convince someone that 1:56:02.560 --> 1:56:06.880 they're crazy, even though your actions are the ones causing 1:56:06.920 --> 1:56:07.440 their reaction. 1:56:08.040 --> 1:56:10.920 So then and then the cops that are supposed to help, 1:56:10.960 --> 1:56:13.680 are like like validating this dude. 1:56:14.200 --> 1:56:16.520 Oh yeah, I mean, like the way they were talking 1:56:16.520 --> 1:56:18.840 to him, like they separated them. 1:56:19.080 --> 1:56:19.920 That's the only good thing. 1:56:20.000 --> 1:56:22.640 Like the for the interviews that when they talked to them, 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:24.360 they did separate them, which is like what you're supposed 1:56:24.400 --> 1:56:28.040 to do for GV stuff. But after that, I would say, 1:56:28.320 --> 1:56:30.840 so many of the decisions are so wild. Why does 1:56:31.560 --> 1:56:36.440 he go just because she maybe like pushed him or 1:56:36.480 --> 1:56:39.320 slapped him first or something, to me, does not mean 1:56:39.320 --> 1:56:42.080 she's the main aggressor, you know what I mean? Like 1:56:42.760 --> 1:56:44.680 he was trying to take the car keys and not 1:56:44.760 --> 1:56:47.560 let her into the van. She might have been literally 1:56:47.600 --> 1:56:50.880 panicking that this crazy boyfriend was gonna leave her in 1:56:50.920 --> 1:56:53.960 the middle of Moab near the entrance of Arches National 1:56:54.000 --> 1:56:57.640 Park by herself, Like that would be enough for me 1:56:57.680 --> 1:57:00.160 to maybe smack at someone and go, no, no, me 1:57:00.200 --> 1:57:01.800 the keys, let me back into the van, like that's 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:02.360 their house. 1:57:02.560 --> 1:57:05.840 You know. It's really it's so fucking sad. 1:57:06.000 --> 1:57:10.040 He's fucking scum, Like because yeah, using his car, using 1:57:10.040 --> 1:57:12.360 her card, fake tag. 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:14.720 But it's also like, even in the end, you did 1:57:14.760 --> 1:57:17.320 so much to cover up what you did, and even 1:57:17.360 --> 1:57:20.840 in the end, you wrote this bullshit story for the 1:57:20.840 --> 1:57:24.880 cops out behind your body about how you saved her 1:57:24.920 --> 1:57:28.560 and put her out of her misery, like, which is 1:57:28.920 --> 1:57:32.800 fully unsupported by any forensic evidence. It's a lie. And 1:57:32.840 --> 1:57:34.360 you because you wanted to even though you knew you 1:57:34.440 --> 1:57:35.680 were going to take your own life, you wanted to 1:57:35.760 --> 1:57:39.200 like go out a hero, you know. And that's probably 1:57:39.200 --> 1:57:41.600 what he wanted his family to believe too. I'm sure 1:57:41.600 --> 1:57:45.280 he called his mom and said, Mom, I Gabby, like 1:57:45.600 --> 1:57:49.440 you know, she was like like, I don't know. I'm 1:57:49.440 --> 1:57:52.120 sure he said that he fucking she was about to 1:57:52.120 --> 1:57:53.760 die and he just like helped her put her out 1:57:53.760 --> 1:57:57.960 of her misery or something like that. Meanwhile, this lady 1:57:58.000 --> 1:58:01.520 picked him up hitchhiking ten minutes away on our way 1:58:01.560 --> 1:58:04.360 to church. There's stuff around there like in Titan, Like 1:58:04.760 --> 1:58:07.240 if she was ill or whatever, it's like he could 1:58:07.280 --> 1:58:09.840 have gotten help, you know, Yeah, like you didn't have 1:58:09.880 --> 1:58:12.240 to again said he just ran to Florida and never 1:58:12.600 --> 1:58:17.240 anyone or her family where she is called like right, 1:58:18.760 --> 1:58:20.840 and like I don't know if his family actually knew 1:58:20.840 --> 1:58:22.760 that he was planning to go take his life or whatever, 1:58:22.920 --> 1:58:24.720 like maybe he told them, Like I'm not going to 1:58:24.760 --> 1:58:27.880 be able to I can't go to jail whatever. But 1:58:28.240 --> 1:58:32.360 it was such a wildcase because I don't know. I've 1:58:32.400 --> 1:58:36.280 seen people defend their I've seen people cover up for 1:58:36.320 --> 1:58:38.960 their kids before, but this felt so to see the 1:58:38.960 --> 1:58:41.200 footage of the parents just like, we have nothing to say. 1:58:42.080 --> 1:58:44.960 And at one point a cop goes, oh, but her 1:58:45.000 --> 1:58:47.560 parents are so worried. Wouldn't you guys want to know 1:58:47.640 --> 1:58:51.160 if something one of your children was missing? Can you 1:58:51.240 --> 1:58:52.840 just talk to us and like so we can put 1:58:52.880 --> 1:58:55.839 their mind at ease. And the family goes, we understand 1:58:55.880 --> 1:58:57.440 what you're saying about. Nope, we're not going to speak. 1:58:57.440 --> 1:58:58.600 It's so it's bizarre. 1:58:58.720 --> 1:59:00.680 Well, yeah, and the mom hated her the whole time. 1:59:00.800 --> 1:59:03.480 Yes, the mom was, no, one's good enough for my 1:59:03.600 --> 1:59:06.640 little boy. It's really weird because when you look at 1:59:06.680 --> 1:59:09.320 like a bunch of the footage, he seems like he's 1:59:09.400 --> 1:59:11.640 having a good time making these van life videos. Like 1:59:11.680 --> 1:59:13.760 there's tons of video of them kissing. It's like the 1:59:13.880 --> 1:59:16.800 it's like the episode. There's lots of videos of them 1:59:16.800 --> 1:59:19.080 looking like they're so in love and having great time. 1:59:19.800 --> 1:59:23.520 And then I bet you she said, why don't you go, 1:59:23.680 --> 1:59:25.280 I'll just do the van life thing on my own 1:59:25.400 --> 1:59:27.120 and he was like, you're fucking leaving me, and he 1:59:27.200 --> 1:59:27.600 killed her. 1:59:28.000 --> 1:59:32.000 But they always like to excuse the reason. Yeah, but 1:59:32.080 --> 1:59:33.760 I didn't mean to. But I didn't. It's like no 1:59:33.760 --> 1:59:37.000 one cares, right, They're always trying to like reason it 1:59:37.040 --> 1:59:39.560 out in some way. Yeah, we're gonna like, we're gonna 1:59:39.600 --> 1:59:41.760 understand and be like, yeah, I guess you had no choice. 1:59:42.200 --> 1:59:46.600 She was gonna make videos without you. Yeah, well depressing. 1:59:46.720 --> 1:59:47.680 Yeah. We have a great guest. 1:59:47.840 --> 1:59:50.800 We do, we do. We have an amazing guest. Don't 1:59:50.880 --> 1:59:51.640 go anywhere. 1:59:58.720 --> 2:00:01.920 Our guest today is an actor that you may recognize 2:00:02.000 --> 2:00:05.200 as Tom Haverford's ex wife Wendy from Parks and rec 2:00:05.400 --> 2:00:07.400 She's also a regular on The Good Place and the 2:00:07.400 --> 2:00:09.880 School of Rock TV show, but you know her today 2:00:10.080 --> 2:00:14.400 as sad but hopeful mother Laura Hughes. Please enjoy our 2:00:14.600 --> 2:00:16.920 convo with the lovely Jamia Williamson. 2:00:17.560 --> 2:00:20.360 I met the Molester Priest through a friend on the 2:00:20.400 --> 2:00:23.560 streets of New York once, and I can't believe it's him. 2:00:23.640 --> 2:00:25.440 Yeah, he was like, this is my friend. I go, 2:00:25.520 --> 2:00:26.400 have you been on SVU? 2:00:26.440 --> 2:00:30.400 He goes, yeah, Molester Priest And he. 2:00:30.440 --> 2:00:34.200 Was such a nice molester priest, but looks so right 2:00:34.280 --> 2:00:36.400 for the part. I'm so sorry he's so I'm sure 2:00:36.400 --> 2:00:38.680 he can do lots of other wonderful things, but he's 2:00:38.680 --> 2:00:41.960 so meant for this, perfect looking like so perfectly cast. 2:00:42.480 --> 2:00:45.000 I thought he lived in LA, so he minds you. 2:00:45.200 --> 2:00:46.080 Maybe he bops? 2:00:46.560 --> 2:00:50.240 I guess. So do you live in New York or LA? 2:00:50.720 --> 2:00:54.400 I was in New York for eleven years and then 2:00:54.720 --> 2:00:57.440 LA for fifteen years, and now I'm in Philadelphia. Oh wow, 2:00:57.520 --> 2:01:00.240 to Philly my family like three years ago. Yeah, yeah, 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:01.000 love it. 2:01:01.320 --> 2:01:04.440 Wait, I'm just looking up your husband now also has 2:01:04.480 --> 2:01:05.280 been on an s for you. 2:01:07.200 --> 2:01:09.400 We're usually so good about this. I can't believe we 2:01:09.440 --> 2:01:10.000 didn't find it. 2:01:10.040 --> 2:01:11.640 I didn't, you know, I didn't find it because your 2:01:11.680 --> 2:01:14.200 husband's not in your Wikipedia, which is you know, maybe 2:01:14.200 --> 2:01:16.080 a choice, but he's in your IMDb. 2:01:16.400 --> 2:01:18.240 And. 2:01:19.120 --> 2:01:22.120 He's in the episode where a girl keeps having babies 2:01:22.200 --> 2:01:23.560 with her dad and killing them. 2:01:23.840 --> 2:01:27.160 Oh so crazy. Yeah, her husband's in taboo. Yeah, he's 2:01:27.200 --> 2:01:30.320 in Taboo. Oh my god. I love that. You could like, Oh, well, 2:01:30.320 --> 2:01:31.360 that's one of my favorites. 2:01:31.440 --> 2:01:34.360 Yeah, it's a crazy episode. 2:01:34.400 --> 2:01:37.240 We modeled one of our merch sweatshirts. On like the 2:01:37.280 --> 2:01:41.000 sweatshirt the girl wears in it like purple kind of 2:01:41.240 --> 2:01:44.440 and I don't know other people know it, but that's he's. 2:01:44.280 --> 2:01:46.280 Been memorialized that episode. I love it. 2:01:46.800 --> 2:01:49.160 I can't believe it. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out 2:01:49.160 --> 2:01:53.080 who he plays. But so you guys met during doing theater. 2:01:53.200 --> 2:01:56.920 You said, yeah, we met doing a play. Yeah, yeah, 2:01:57.000 --> 2:01:58.320 what play was it? 2:01:58.320 --> 2:01:58.680 It was? 2:01:59.080 --> 2:02:02.600 It was by the name of Eat the Runt, which 2:02:02.640 --> 2:02:05.400 is a weird, weird title, but it was very at 2:02:05.400 --> 2:02:08.280 the very beginning of reality television, Like this is like 2:02:08.600 --> 2:02:12.840 right before nine to eleven, and the play was written 2:02:12.880 --> 2:02:15.800 without pronouns. It was sort of you know, uh, sort 2:02:15.840 --> 2:02:19.200 of early to do something like that. But the idea 2:02:19.240 --> 2:02:21.400 was that all of us would learn all of the 2:02:21.400 --> 2:02:25.480 parts of the play, and each actor would know all 2:02:25.480 --> 2:02:28.080 the whole play and know all the characters. And then 2:02:28.200 --> 2:02:30.080 each night before the show, we would get up in 2:02:30.120 --> 2:02:32.400 front of the audience an audition for each role and 2:02:32.440 --> 2:02:35.160 they would vote via electronic keypad from their seat and 2:02:35.200 --> 2:02:38.240 decide who they wanted in each part. So we never 2:02:38.360 --> 2:02:41.360 knew what the cast was going, how I was going 2:02:41.440 --> 2:02:41.960 to shake out. 2:02:42.240 --> 2:02:43.760 And that is so fun. 2:02:44.080 --> 2:02:46.200 It was really cool there was like, you know, sometimes 2:02:46.200 --> 2:02:49.760 it was a you know, same sex relationship. Sometimes it was, 2:02:50.360 --> 2:02:52.560 but you know, it was just age differences. 2:02:52.680 --> 2:02:55.800 I have so many questions ahead of its time, But 2:02:56.360 --> 2:02:59.440 how often was the audience consistent? Like was it always 2:02:59.440 --> 2:03:02.880 really change or did the and did you guys always change? 2:03:03.080 --> 2:03:05.320 Like did you did you like some and hated some 2:03:05.360 --> 2:03:05.680 of them? 2:03:05.800 --> 2:03:07.360 Or were you okay, yes. 2:03:07.440 --> 2:03:10.400 We And there was some really small parts and some leads. 2:03:10.760 --> 2:03:12.960 So depending on if your agent was there, your mom 2:03:13.120 --> 2:03:15.480 was there, you know, you were gunning for those parts. 2:03:15.520 --> 2:03:17.840 Which is a little bit of the problem with this 2:03:18.000 --> 2:03:22.240 situation is it pitted actors against each other, right, and 2:03:22.680 --> 2:03:25.960 my husband and I were very competitive. We were not 2:03:26.080 --> 2:03:30.040 dating at the time and we were friends, but we 2:03:30.080 --> 2:03:32.280 would we were like it was like me and him, 2:03:32.400 --> 2:03:35.880 you know, every night for you know, we'd let you know, 2:03:36.000 --> 2:03:38.280 we weren't always gunning for the leads, but like there 2:03:38.280 --> 2:03:40.640 were certain times we both were going for it and 2:03:40.920 --> 2:03:43.200 we would be it was be like Doggie dog out there, 2:03:43.240 --> 2:03:45.080 I mean, which was kind of interesting because that was 2:03:45.200 --> 2:03:48.080 what the play was about. It was about this you know, Darwinism, 2:03:48.120 --> 2:03:50.040 and it was all took place in the art museum 2:03:50.120 --> 2:03:52.360 and someone getting a job. But it was all about 2:03:52.440 --> 2:03:54.360 kind of like you know, pushing people out of the 2:03:54.360 --> 2:03:56.560 way in order to do so. So I guess I 2:03:56.560 --> 2:03:58.480 guess that was a little bit life dating art. 2:03:58.680 --> 2:04:01.120 Yeah, so you were with your husband then when he 2:04:01.160 --> 2:04:02.720 got s for you, were you like one of my 2:04:02.880 --> 2:04:03.200 to get. 2:04:03.080 --> 2:04:05.120 Asked for you? Because it took you. It took you 2:04:05.240 --> 2:04:07.160 till twenty twenty four or something. 2:04:07.720 --> 2:04:09.360 I know, I had to move back to LA and 2:04:09.480 --> 2:04:10.680 moved to LA, move all the way back to the 2:04:10.720 --> 2:04:11.240 East coast. 2:04:11.280 --> 2:04:11.520 I know. 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:15.040 It was like it was a real real challenge for me. Yeah, 2:04:15.080 --> 2:04:17.839 he was really good. He's always been really good at that. 2:04:17.840 --> 2:04:20.720 That's never really been my jam. I'm more of a 2:04:20.720 --> 2:04:24.400 comedy actor. Okay, so that wasn't really things that a 2:04:24.440 --> 2:04:27.280 show that I was going for at the time, and 2:04:28.000 --> 2:04:30.080 so that he would he if you see his resume, 2:04:30.120 --> 2:04:33.560 he stopped acting. I think two thou well run my 2:04:33.640 --> 2:04:37.400 daughter was conceived. He was like, I'm thrown in the tail. 2:04:38.120 --> 2:04:39.840 Someone's got to get a job and this god is 2:04:39.880 --> 2:04:40.360 going to be me. 2:04:41.640 --> 2:04:44.040 And so he. 2:04:44.040 --> 2:04:46.640 If you look at his resume, it's almost all procedurals, 2:04:46.640 --> 2:04:48.120 like he was really good at. 2:04:47.960 --> 2:04:50.880 That, Like yeah, big talk, you know, like the law. 2:04:50.960 --> 2:04:53.360 He did all a law orders. Oh yeah, trial by jury? 2:04:54.600 --> 2:04:55.200 So did you. 2:04:56.560 --> 2:05:00.600 Yeah, eventually I've I've checked him off, but it they 2:05:00.680 --> 2:05:02.080 come a little harder for me. 2:05:02.320 --> 2:05:06.480 They're not they're they're they're comedy, definitely, I'm sure more fun. 2:05:06.840 --> 2:05:07.520 It is more fun. 2:05:07.560 --> 2:05:10.000 But also you're you're good at drama. You You're really 2:05:10.120 --> 2:05:13.800 like this you you. I was getting real, like I've 2:05:13.800 --> 2:05:15.880 already seen the episode obviously, but I was watching it 2:05:15.920 --> 2:05:20.000 again for today, and I was getting emotional about your performance. 2:05:20.080 --> 2:05:25.480 You're so daughter as a but it's really that's. 2:05:25.320 --> 2:05:27.880 Part of why it's so hard to do, because you know, 2:05:28.000 --> 2:05:30.040 in the moment, I'm thinking of my real daughter. 2:05:30.120 --> 2:05:32.160 Yeah, it sucks. Takes a lot out of you, I 2:05:32.200 --> 2:05:32.879 would imagine. 2:05:32.960 --> 2:05:38.080 Yeah, yeah, but this episode, Yeah, Like I felt like 2:05:38.120 --> 2:05:39.880 when I was watching it, I was like really pulled 2:05:39.880 --> 2:05:42.840 in by your performance and the boyfriends at first because 2:05:42.840 --> 2:05:45.320 I was like, he didn't do it, and then like 2:05:45.440 --> 2:05:48.400 at the end, you're like, wow, anyone's capable to have 2:05:48.720 --> 2:05:49.760 crazy lies. 2:05:49.720 --> 2:05:52.840 And we knew that was based on did you tap 2:05:52.880 --> 2:05:53.880 into the real case? 2:05:54.880 --> 2:05:57.720 Yeah? Kind of hard. It was so huge, right, it 2:05:57.880 --> 2:05:59.600 was Yeah, my god, that's a lot. 2:05:59.680 --> 2:06:01.760 Yeah, and you know, and speaking of this too though, 2:06:01.880 --> 2:06:06.000 just personally, is that I you know, you know, as 2:06:06.040 --> 2:06:08.320 I was using my daughter imagine her being the one 2:06:08.360 --> 2:06:12.000 laying in that hospital bed was horrifying to the other part. 2:06:12.120 --> 2:06:16.839 I had to be able to believe, truly not believe 2:06:17.280 --> 2:06:20.320 that this boy could do that, you know. And at 2:06:20.320 --> 2:06:23.800 the time, my other daughter had a boyfriend who I 2:06:25.000 --> 2:06:27.760 love him. I'm not day anymore, but he was so sweet. 2:06:27.760 --> 2:06:30.160 It was her very first boyfriend. He weirdly lives across 2:06:30.160 --> 2:06:31.640 the street from like. 2:06:31.560 --> 2:06:32.640 In a hallmarkt. 2:06:34.240 --> 2:06:37.560 And he's just the sweetest person and he treated her 2:06:37.680 --> 2:06:41.120 so well. And so I actually use that as a 2:06:41.520 --> 2:06:45.000 you know, like how I like that he couldn't Yeah, 2:06:45.040 --> 2:06:47.720 like just you know, someone who you really truly believe 2:06:47.920 --> 2:06:50.760 is really good for your kid and and is like 2:06:50.880 --> 2:06:53.600 lifting them up, and you just you your brain just 2:06:53.680 --> 2:06:57.040 can't tolerate the idea that that person would hurt them, 2:06:57.120 --> 2:06:57.440 you know it. 2:06:57.600 --> 2:07:01.680 Just anyway, that was just d I felt the belief 2:07:02.000 --> 2:07:03.280 from your character for sure. 2:07:03.680 --> 2:07:06.120 Yeah. And in a lighter note, you and Marishka the 2:07:06.120 --> 2:07:09.280 Battle of the Good Haired Is. I mean, that was 2:07:09.400 --> 2:07:11.640 like a beautiful, blowout, heavy. 2:07:12.240 --> 2:07:17.520 Scene with you compared to her In anyway, I'm flattered. Yeah, 2:07:17.600 --> 2:07:19.680 she she's a she's a force man. 2:07:20.560 --> 2:07:22.320 She is she is. 2:07:22.520 --> 2:07:24.520 She really took me off guard, I have to say, 2:07:24.880 --> 2:07:28.320 because I mean, her beauty is by itself, but just 2:07:28.560 --> 2:07:32.200 as a as an actor and as a commander of 2:07:32.440 --> 2:07:35.320 a set, a younger version of me. This is why 2:07:35.320 --> 2:07:37.440 I'm glad I did not get SVU back when my 2:07:37.520 --> 2:07:38.880 husband did, and I'm glad it when I got it 2:07:38.920 --> 2:07:42.920 when I was a thousand years older, because I feel 2:07:42.920 --> 2:07:46.600 like I could handle what was happening on that set 2:07:46.680 --> 2:07:49.520 better as an with a more maturity than I would 2:07:49.520 --> 2:07:53.200 have when we Before we even started, we just did 2:07:53.240 --> 2:07:56.360 like a you know, uh, you know the run through, 2:07:56.440 --> 2:07:59.160 like the practice, like the rehearsal, and you get very 2:07:59.160 --> 2:08:01.840 little rehearsal youually on with TV stuff, and so you 2:08:01.880 --> 2:08:03.840 just kind of have to be ready to go. But I, 2:08:03.880 --> 2:08:05.840 you know, I was kind of marking it a little bit, 2:08:05.880 --> 2:08:07.600 like I was. I just wanted to make sure that 2:08:07.600 --> 2:08:10.960 I was getting my you know, my getting on the 2:08:11.040 --> 2:08:13.120 right spot and you know, getting my marks and like, 2:08:14.040 --> 2:08:17.760 and so I wasn't going full throttle on my rehearsal. 2:08:18.800 --> 2:08:20.560 I was just sort of making sure I get the lines. 2:08:20.800 --> 2:08:24.840 And she after the first take, she came over to me, 2:08:24.880 --> 2:08:27.920 and she walked up really close to me and put 2:08:27.960 --> 2:08:31.280 her hand on my low belly and whispered in my ear. 2:08:31.440 --> 2:08:34.480 She was like and gave me like an acting lesson. 2:08:34.680 --> 2:08:38.880 She was like, this is your daughter, like this is 2:08:39.000 --> 2:08:44.320 so painful and overwhelming to you, like was like setting 2:08:44.360 --> 2:08:45.720 my stakes for me, you know. 2:08:46.480 --> 2:08:51.080 And I was I mean, again, now, as a grown woman, 2:08:51.200 --> 2:08:54.360 I really appreciated it. I think as a young person 2:08:54.440 --> 2:08:58.080 I might have been very overly intimidated and feeling like 2:08:58.160 --> 2:09:00.440 maybe like I failed her or so like that I 2:09:00.520 --> 2:09:02.320 wasn't giving you know, I don't know. It just would 2:09:02.320 --> 2:09:04.120 have thrown me into a little bit of a tailspin, 2:09:04.240 --> 2:09:08.760 I just know myself. But it thankfully I've done enough 2:09:08.760 --> 2:09:11.480 meditation that it didn't kind of like actually really. 2:09:11.320 --> 2:09:12.200 Centered me, you know. 2:09:12.280 --> 2:09:15.200 And I was like, right right, just kind of refreshed 2:09:15.240 --> 2:09:17.480 all of my and so and I was also like, 2:09:17.560 --> 2:09:19.839 oh god, this woman wants me to give it full throttle, 2:09:19.920 --> 2:09:22.840 you know what I mean, like from the get go. 2:09:22.960 --> 2:09:25.320 And I was like, you got it, Marishika, like it's 2:09:25.360 --> 2:09:29.440 your fucking set. Like, so it was it was interesting. 2:09:30.200 --> 2:09:33.440 She's just and then this is a little bit of 2:09:33.480 --> 2:09:35.480 a spoiler alert, but I ended up working with her again. 2:09:35.480 --> 2:09:38.480 I don't know if you guys have covered another episode. 2:09:38.560 --> 2:09:41.640 We're gonna We're gonna have the rapist priest on oh. 2:09:41.520 --> 2:09:47.280 Right, right, it was. I was so glad and this 2:09:47.320 --> 2:09:51.040 doesn't usually happen. I don't think very often to be 2:09:51.080 --> 2:09:52.400 able to have to come back. 2:09:52.680 --> 2:09:52.880 Yeah. 2:09:52.920 --> 2:09:54.960 I was wondering, like, did they tell you when you 2:09:55.040 --> 2:09:57.960 first did no episode? Oh, by the way, we're bringing 2:09:57.960 --> 2:09:58.960 you back for another thing. 2:09:59.760 --> 2:10:00.920 No? 2:10:00.920 --> 2:10:03.880 No, And I thought I walked away being like I 2:10:03.920 --> 2:10:06.120 did it my sbu you know, like, and I had 2:10:06.440 --> 2:10:09.160 no idea. I never even thought that was even an option. 2:10:09.760 --> 2:10:11.680 I've never heard and I've never dine a bunch of 2:10:11.680 --> 2:10:13.480 guest stars. I've never heard of that, you know, so 2:10:13.520 --> 2:10:15.200 I didn't None of my friends had ever heard of that, 2:10:15.280 --> 2:10:17.400 So I know that was that really was The. 2:10:17.400 --> 2:10:21.680 Social was such a good double feature, I would say, 2:10:22.160 --> 2:10:25.880 and very different. It went somewhere different. But it's also 2:10:26.040 --> 2:10:28.200 it is hard to watch you and the other mom 2:10:29.560 --> 2:10:31.760 kind of befriend each other. But I guess your characters 2:10:31.840 --> 2:10:35.480 really you know, religious and forgiven. 2:10:36.360 --> 2:10:40.760 Yeah, for you friends, was like hard, I would say. 2:10:40.600 --> 2:10:45.600 Apewer, yeah, yeah, I know, I I that was really. 2:10:45.600 --> 2:10:47.040 Fun and interesting for me. 2:10:47.240 --> 2:10:49.560 I was trying to think about, Yeah, like why they 2:10:49.600 --> 2:10:53.960 did that, because it's not the first time they've had 2:10:54.000 --> 2:10:58.400 a Calma victim be sexually assaulted and impregnated on the show, 2:10:58.520 --> 2:11:01.040 so they've covered that, So they did, and I feel 2:11:01.040 --> 2:11:04.760 like it's because they want they they like to revisit 2:11:04.840 --> 2:11:08.400 Olivia's like origin story and stuff about how she is 2:11:08.440 --> 2:11:12.760 like a product of this and it's that hope for 2:11:12.880 --> 2:11:17.800 your character, Like is that worth it to like put 2:11:17.800 --> 2:11:20.400 this homotose woman through the pregnancy? 2:11:20.480 --> 2:11:24.200 But yeah, right right, you know that was what that 2:11:24.400 --> 2:11:26.120 was interesting to me. I mean, I know we're not 2:11:26.120 --> 2:11:31.640 talking about that episode, but there there was a beautiful 2:11:31.800 --> 2:11:34.680 maybe my favorite scene all of all the scenes I 2:11:34.720 --> 2:11:37.720 did for SBO, This my favorite scene was cut and 2:11:37.760 --> 2:11:41.080 it was at the end of that the second episode 2:11:41.120 --> 2:11:45.160 that I'm in, I think it's season episode sixteen. Yeah, 2:11:46.320 --> 2:11:51.040 and there was a scene between me and Mariska and 2:11:51.120 --> 2:11:53.520 Benson at the end of the episode that was cut 2:11:53.760 --> 2:11:59.919 and it was so sweet and so tender and so beautiful, 2:12:00.000 --> 2:12:06.400 and I was I was devastated that it was it's 2:12:06.480 --> 2:12:09.200 me and her back in the chapel, So that the 2:12:09.240 --> 2:12:11.400 episode sort of begins with me in the chapel with 2:12:11.440 --> 2:12:14.880 the you know, uh Gina, with the other mom, and 2:12:15.640 --> 2:12:18.680 it ends back in the chapel and I am there 2:12:18.760 --> 2:12:24.680 with absolute, you know, just complete forgiveness for for the 2:12:24.800 --> 2:12:30.000 for the priest, for every ever, everything, and and I'm 2:12:30.040 --> 2:12:32.320 it's just this And that was so interesting to me 2:12:32.480 --> 2:12:34.800 because you know, I grew up Catholic. I don't go 2:12:34.880 --> 2:12:38.520 to church anymore. But there was something I used a 2:12:38.560 --> 2:12:41.280 lot of like what I had known about, you know, 2:12:41.440 --> 2:12:45.520 Mother Mary, and just ultimate forgiveness and unconditional love, you know, 2:12:45.720 --> 2:12:48.640 like these these concepts that I've learned about and talked 2:12:48.640 --> 2:12:52.880 about in church and school but never really like tried 2:12:52.960 --> 2:12:56.280 to imagine for myself and never been put in that position. 2:12:57.880 --> 2:13:02.680 And so it was it was like weirdly, deeply like 2:13:02.840 --> 2:13:06.760 profoundly healing for me. I had sounds like a lot 2:13:06.800 --> 2:13:09.200 to say, but it was true, like to really put 2:13:09.200 --> 2:13:13.480 that on, you know, to really to really truly forgive 2:13:13.720 --> 2:13:15.520 in that way and just can to be able to 2:13:15.720 --> 2:13:19.800 see even through the most heinous act, to be able 2:13:19.840 --> 2:13:22.879 to see that it is that are is still some. 2:13:22.840 --> 2:13:25.000 Divine plan and all of that. I don't know. 2:13:25.040 --> 2:13:27.160 It was like it made me better doing this episode, 2:13:27.160 --> 2:13:28.720 I sort of got it in. Yeah, but in this 2:13:28.800 --> 2:13:33.840 last scene, me and Mariska were just like sitting side 2:13:33.880 --> 2:13:36.960 beside and she could not take she couldn't take it 2:13:37.000 --> 2:13:39.600 in that I had forgiven her, you know, or forgiven him, 2:13:39.960 --> 2:13:41.920 like it just it was it was so painful for 2:13:41.960 --> 2:13:44.000 her for her own personal story, like she was just 2:13:44.000 --> 2:13:45.280 still had stuff to hold on to. 2:13:46.400 --> 2:13:49.560 And I grabbed. 2:13:49.160 --> 2:13:53.040 Her hand and the two of us prayed together, like 2:13:53.040 --> 2:13:55.240 I ended up praying that same prayer that comes in 2:13:55.280 --> 2:13:58.280 the beginning, and we both start we both cry. It 2:13:58.360 --> 2:14:00.800 is just and she I feel that there was a shift, 2:14:00.920 --> 2:14:02.320 you know what I mean. It's like almost like she's 2:14:02.400 --> 2:14:06.680 borrowing my forgive, you know, whatever that that I've been 2:14:06.720 --> 2:14:09.120 able to find, my character has been able to find, 2:14:09.880 --> 2:14:11.040 and it shifts her. 2:14:12.240 --> 2:14:13.920 And so I was like, oh my god, this. 2:14:14.000 --> 2:14:16.520 Is I was like, maybe this character will come back 2:14:16.600 --> 2:14:20.480 like this feels like something like really interesting that's been 2:14:20.600 --> 2:14:21.200 mined here. 2:14:21.440 --> 2:14:22.320 And then they cut it. 2:14:22.880 --> 2:14:26.320 So yeah, they like want her stuck in this for 2:14:26.360 --> 2:14:29.640 a little bit longer, no freedom, They don't really love 2:14:29.640 --> 2:14:33.520 her happy. They might be true if they want to 2:14:33.600 --> 2:14:35.800 ruin her day piece. 2:14:36.760 --> 2:14:41.480 Really that's a show. Maybe that was yeah, you might. 2:14:41.480 --> 2:14:43.280 You guys might be right. Wait, can I ask you 2:14:43.320 --> 2:14:44.839 a weird question about your episodes? 2:14:45.040 --> 2:14:46.840 It is it weird to have all these scenes in 2:14:46.880 --> 2:14:49.800 front of this third actor that's just sitting there in 2:14:49.840 --> 2:14:53.480 a coma like with she just like wake up in between. 2:14:53.160 --> 2:14:54.200 Takes and be like hey, guys. 2:14:54.200 --> 2:14:57.440 I mean it's like, so we know, like in the 2:14:57.480 --> 2:15:00.560 second episode she's sort of cleaned up and just like 2:15:00.600 --> 2:15:03.280 in a in an assisted living I think, right or something, 2:15:03.320 --> 2:15:05.920 and so she's yeah, and she's just really truly sitting 2:15:05.960 --> 2:15:08.720 there eyes closed without any of the time. 2:15:08.760 --> 2:15:11.720 I know, yeah, we felt we're we felt more bad 2:15:11.760 --> 2:15:14.120 for her, you know. I was like, We're so sorry 2:15:14.200 --> 2:15:16.400 that you have to just like it's like take after take, 2:15:16.520 --> 2:15:16.720 you know. 2:15:16.960 --> 2:15:18.960 Yeah, she had a very interesting part for us, for 2:15:18.960 --> 2:15:21.240 you because pretty much all of her acting is done 2:15:21.440 --> 2:15:23.680 through like these social media videos. 2:15:24.240 --> 2:15:26.520 I know, I know, which was really sweet. She did 2:15:26.560 --> 2:15:29.400 a beautiful job with us, but I know she kept 2:15:29.400 --> 2:15:31.160 saying I was like, are you okay? And I felt 2:15:31.200 --> 2:15:33.040 do you want water? Like I just felt bad, you know, 2:15:33.160 --> 2:15:34.600 my mother a part of me. It was just like 2:15:34.680 --> 2:15:37.240 I feel bad for you. But she kept she would 2:15:37.240 --> 2:15:39.800 like open one eye and gen she was so sweet. 2:15:39.800 --> 2:15:41.040 She would like open my eyes. She was like, I 2:15:41.080 --> 2:15:43.240 feel like I'm learning a ton. But she just was 2:15:43.280 --> 2:15:45.800 like quietly taking it all in, you know what I mean, 2:15:45.880 --> 2:15:46.840 like really absorbing. 2:15:46.960 --> 2:15:49.520 Like so she was like, I feel like I'm becoming 2:15:49.520 --> 2:15:50.000 a better actor. 2:15:50.000 --> 2:15:52.920 I know it doesn't look like it, but I am. 2:15:53.080 --> 2:15:55.280 Yeah, she got to listen to you guys. 2:15:55.680 --> 2:15:58.080 Yeah, and like hear us like figure out a scene 2:15:58.080 --> 2:16:00.320 and like what didn't work and what did work, you know, 2:16:00.400 --> 2:16:02.320 like there and it was Yeah, I think that was 2:16:02.680 --> 2:16:04.960 And I've always sort of I thought that I've always 2:16:05.200 --> 2:16:07.120 thought that sounded really interesting to sort of be a 2:16:07.120 --> 2:16:10.240 fly on the wall and you know, if you don't 2:16:10.280 --> 2:16:12.720 have any real stakes exactly in a scene, but just 2:16:12.760 --> 2:16:15.680 be able to be in the space and just sort 2:16:15.680 --> 2:16:17.440 of watch actors work. I mean, she didn't get to 2:16:17.640 --> 2:16:19.720 open her eyes. I guess maybe there was even more 2:16:19.920 --> 2:16:21.560 she was able to take in because she took a. 2:16:21.520 --> 2:16:23.360 Sense away, you know, I don't know. 2:16:23.600 --> 2:16:25.320 I think it sounds kind of like an interesting acting 2:16:25.320 --> 2:16:29.520 exercise to really just sort of be on set but 2:16:29.520 --> 2:16:32.040 but not really be needed for anything, you know, just 2:16:32.080 --> 2:16:34.119 be able to just really watch, you know, even if 2:16:34.480 --> 2:16:36.720 you're the director, whoever everyone on that set has a 2:16:36.800 --> 2:16:39.680 job to do, but hers was just to sort of 2:16:40.720 --> 2:16:42.879 be still so she could just really listen. 2:16:43.160 --> 2:16:46.080 Yeah, Agent Harrison, did you like it? 2:16:46.240 --> 2:16:50.560 Josh Cook? Oh my god, he's hot. I'm meant to this. 2:16:50.840 --> 2:16:51.960 Isn't he wonderful? 2:16:52.720 --> 2:16:56.560 This is a great I'm telling you here. This is 2:16:56.600 --> 2:16:58.520 the This is kind of the one of the best parts. 2:16:58.520 --> 2:17:00.120 I can't believe I forgot to say this because is 2:17:00.200 --> 2:17:02.600 kind of one then most fun part of that first 2:17:02.640 --> 2:17:05.920 episode was I have a dear friend in LA. Her 2:17:05.959 --> 2:17:09.720 name's Lilah Gersty and she's a showrunner and a writer 2:17:10.320 --> 2:17:13.320 and she did this show Heart of Dixie. Yeah, and 2:17:13.400 --> 2:17:15.600 she was like, when I decided that I was going 2:17:15.680 --> 2:17:20.000 to move to Philadelphia, she was like, my friend, Uh, 2:17:20.280 --> 2:17:21.879 you're gonna love him. You got to tell you got 2:17:21.920 --> 2:17:24.000 to meet him. His name's Josh Cook. He did the 2:17:24.000 --> 2:17:25.920 same thing. He was like out here in La. He 2:17:25.959 --> 2:17:28.080 was on Heart of Dixie. He moved to Philadelphia. He 2:17:28.120 --> 2:17:29.959 lives in a cute little farmhouse with his wife and 2:17:30.000 --> 2:17:32.920 his daughter, and he loves it and he's so happy there. 2:17:32.959 --> 2:17:34.160 And I was like, oh my god, this is the 2:17:34.160 --> 2:17:36.920 best story ever. And she was like, and he's wonderful, 2:17:37.320 --> 2:17:39.160 and so I was like, get me a number, and 2:17:39.200 --> 2:17:41.800 then I promptly forgot because I was so busy and 2:17:42.040 --> 2:17:45.080 doing the move. But he called, he texted me, and 2:17:45.160 --> 2:17:46.800 I was living with my at my friend's house because 2:17:46.800 --> 2:17:49.879 our house is being renovated, and he was like, you know, 2:17:50.080 --> 2:17:51.960 do you want to where are you right now? And 2:17:51.959 --> 2:17:53.920 I was like, well, I'm actually in glad One because 2:17:53.920 --> 2:17:55.240 I'm in a friend's house. And he's like, oh my god, 2:17:55.240 --> 2:17:57.119 that's where I grew up. Do you want to meet 2:17:57.160 --> 2:18:00.360 for lunch? And I was like, love to, but like 2:18:00.640 --> 2:18:03.160 I'm so busy and underwater. Can we do it as 2:18:03.160 --> 2:18:04.840 soon as my like in next month, I'll be back 2:18:04.840 --> 2:18:06.680 home and you know, and he was like, let's do it. 2:18:06.720 --> 2:18:09.280 Then we both forgot, as we do. I show up 2:18:09.280 --> 2:18:14.039 on that set and didn't realize, like, didn't I even 2:18:14.080 --> 2:18:16.800 saw Josh Cook on the you know, the call sheet, 2:18:16.840 --> 2:18:20.200 but I just didn't put it together and I just 2:18:20.200 --> 2:18:21.000 like sort of forgot. 2:18:21.400 --> 2:18:21.800 I don't know. 2:18:22.240 --> 2:18:25.440 And he when we introduced himself, he was like, Hi, 2:18:25.440 --> 2:18:26.800 I'm Josh. I was like, I'm Jama and he was 2:18:26.840 --> 2:18:29.959 like Jama, that's wait, how many James could there be? 2:18:30.040 --> 2:18:30.280 Do you know? 2:18:30.360 --> 2:18:31.879 Lilah Gerstein and I was. 2:18:31.879 --> 2:18:33.360 Like yeah, and he was like you're the and I 2:18:33.400 --> 2:18:35.720 was like you're the Oh that's so funny. 2:18:35.800 --> 2:18:38.400 Yeah, and we were. 2:18:38.520 --> 2:18:42.600 It was so made that day so fun because every 2:18:42.600 --> 2:18:45.360 time they'd be like cut, we'd be like okay, so anyway, Lilah. 2:18:45.400 --> 2:18:47.000 And it was just like to have a buddy like 2:18:47.040 --> 2:18:48.920 that on set, especially as a guestar. When you walk 2:18:48.920 --> 2:18:51.880 in you don't know anyone, it's very you know, you're 2:18:51.920 --> 2:18:53.680 just like sort of don't know the rules and it's 2:18:53.760 --> 2:18:56.240 very scary, and you don't know how the set is run. 2:18:56.280 --> 2:18:58.400 And he'd been there a bunch, so he knew Morisca, 2:18:58.400 --> 2:19:00.400 he knew the whole you know, everybody, you know because 2:19:00.560 --> 2:19:03.959 his recurs. And so it was like it was so 2:19:04.240 --> 2:19:06.480 fun to have a set buddy. 2:19:07.040 --> 2:19:11.760 And you finally want to have lunch probably just crafty, yeah, 2:19:11.840 --> 2:19:12.560 craft service. 2:19:13.280 --> 2:19:14.800 And we end up did we did do our date. 2:19:14.840 --> 2:19:16.600 We went, he came up to Ambler and we had 2:19:16.600 --> 2:19:18.160 a we had a little lunch date like a couple 2:19:18.160 --> 2:19:19.840 of weeks later, just like broke it down, you know, 2:19:20.040 --> 2:19:22.880 like how that was how it was to work on 2:19:22.920 --> 2:19:26.000 that show. And you know, he gave me some like 2:19:26.160 --> 2:19:29.920 funny like insider, you know, info. 2:19:29.560 --> 2:19:31.280 Which it was just it was great. 2:19:31.360 --> 2:19:33.200 It was it was like it turned out to be 2:19:33.240 --> 2:19:35.480 just such a funny little gift that that show gave. 2:19:35.879 --> 2:19:39.760 Yeah, I'm forgetting. Oh he's an SQBI guy. Yeah, but 2:19:39.800 --> 2:19:42.240 he was in Dexter. I'm looking right now and it's 2:19:42.280 --> 2:19:45.360 all coming together. But he does not look as hot 2:19:45.360 --> 2:19:46.960 and cool Indexter. He's like a weirdo. 2:19:47.160 --> 2:19:48.880 Yeah, I really like him in the glasses that he 2:19:48.959 --> 2:19:51.040 wears an SBO. 2:19:51.480 --> 2:19:54.200 It's so everyone's going to Philly. It's the new place 2:19:54.240 --> 2:19:54.440 to be. 2:19:55.360 --> 2:19:58.960 It is guys. Wait, I I like when I saw 2:19:59.000 --> 2:20:00.600 you in this episode, I was like, I've seen her 2:20:00.600 --> 2:20:03.880 in tons of stuff, right, But then when I looked 2:20:03.920 --> 2:20:08.439 up your bio, I was like, Wendy, it's Tom Ackerford's 2:20:08.680 --> 2:20:09.440 ex wife. 2:20:10.760 --> 2:20:15.920 I know that's what most people recognize me from. I've 2:20:16.040 --> 2:20:18.959 weirdly gotten there must be a lot of parks and 2:20:19.000 --> 2:20:22.320 rec fans out here, man, because I'm at the Trader 2:20:22.400 --> 2:20:26.560 Joe's and people and like, you know, Montgomeryville, and people 2:20:26.640 --> 2:20:30.840 are like, Wendy ever heard of I've never once, No 2:20:30.840 --> 2:20:33.360 one's ever stopped me in my whole life in La Like. 2:20:34.160 --> 2:20:37.480 You know what it is it's in the cycle of 2:20:37.560 --> 2:20:40.720 like the comfort shows for millennials, I would say, And 2:20:40.760 --> 2:20:43.360 so the people that watch it, they've watched it a 2:20:43.360 --> 2:20:46.360 few times, they're watching it drew over and watching it. 2:20:46.360 --> 2:20:50.000 They're going to bed to it. Yeah that's just yeah. 2:20:50.120 --> 2:20:53.039 Yeah, And people rediscovered it in the pandemic because it's 2:20:53.040 --> 2:20:56.040 such a great time, you know, So there's a whole 2:20:56.160 --> 2:21:00.480 new round of of watchers. It's yeah, it's it's such 2:21:00.480 --> 2:21:04.040 a great show. I mean, God, I feel so lucky 2:21:04.120 --> 2:21:04.440 to be a. 2:21:04.360 --> 2:21:05.240 Part of that universe. 2:21:05.360 --> 2:21:08.160 You know, you're in a few verses I would say, 2:21:08.160 --> 2:21:09.480 because that was God bless Mike. 2:21:09.520 --> 2:21:12.920 Sure. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, my short and. 2:21:13.240 --> 2:21:16.800 Now most recently a man on the inside. He dragged 2:21:16.800 --> 2:21:19.840 me into that, not dragged me kidding, He asked me, 2:21:19.879 --> 2:21:25.560 and I was like, are you kidding? I would do anything? Yeah, okay, yeah, 2:21:25.760 --> 2:21:28.760 so we have you know, he likes to do that. 2:21:28.840 --> 2:21:32.720 He likes to draw from the same well a lot 2:21:32.760 --> 2:21:37.000 for his actors. He kind of likes to like rediscover 2:21:37.040 --> 2:21:40.280 them in different universes. And so I'm lucky enough to 2:21:40.320 --> 2:21:45.520 be to be one of those. Yeah occurring, make sure. 2:21:45.480 --> 2:21:48.400 Yeah, you got to be part of the bad side 2:21:48.720 --> 2:21:51.680 the bad place. Yeah, yeah, yep, yep. 2:21:51.720 --> 2:21:55.680 So I got to work with Ted Danson again. He 2:21:55.920 --> 2:21:58.440 was the perfect person. He's the greatest guy in the 2:21:58.480 --> 2:22:00.600 whole wide world. So that was the first time I 2:22:00.600 --> 2:22:02.760 ever worked with them. I said a prayer that I 2:22:02.760 --> 2:22:05.920 would work with him again, and I guess it really 2:22:06.200 --> 2:22:08.440 landed because I work with them two more times after that. 2:22:08.560 --> 2:22:11.800 We need him on SVU. If you, if you see Ted, 2:22:12.160 --> 2:22:13.039 tell him to get going. 2:22:13.200 --> 2:22:14.240 We need it. Oh yeah, I know. 2:22:14.440 --> 2:22:18.320 He would actually make such a good like secret psycho. 2:22:19.400 --> 2:22:23.240 Yeah, like I could yeah, you know, yeah. 2:22:23.080 --> 2:22:24.760 I can see that, and he hasn't played a role 2:22:24.840 --> 2:22:26.520 like that in a long time, So that sounds kind 2:22:26.520 --> 2:22:27.920 of maybe that would be fun for him. 2:22:28.080 --> 2:22:30.959 Anything that you are excited to tell our listeners about 2:22:31.000 --> 2:22:34.240 that's maybe upcoming or to check out or anything. 2:22:35.120 --> 2:22:37.440 No, I mean, I don't have I have a commercial coming. 2:22:37.879 --> 2:22:40.080 It's Oh, it's a fun one too, because for the 2:22:40.080 --> 2:22:43.200 Parks and Rex fans, it's a Parks and Rec kind 2:22:43.240 --> 2:22:45.120 of it's not meant to be. It's sort of like 2:22:45.160 --> 2:22:48.720 a quiet easter eggy thing, but it's for true value 2:22:48.920 --> 2:22:53.039 and it's with Nick Offerman and it's his campaign. But 2:22:53.080 --> 2:22:55.920 then they've kind of buried within it, Like I just 2:22:55.959 --> 2:22:58.400 play a mom at this true value store wanting to 2:22:58.440 --> 2:23:01.560 know where the paint cans are and but they just 2:23:01.640 --> 2:23:04.080 kind of are putting parks and red people around him. 2:23:04.200 --> 2:23:08.360 Is just kind of a funny just for the fans, 2:23:08.560 --> 2:23:11.200 if you know, you know, and if you know, if 2:23:11.240 --> 2:23:11.879 you don't. 2:23:11.720 --> 2:23:13.720 I mean, I don't want to speak to hardware store 2:23:13.800 --> 2:23:14.160 is cool. 2:23:15.320 --> 2:23:20.000 Yeah, it's a I know, it's it's a badass product 2:23:20.040 --> 2:23:21.920 to be to be promoting. 2:23:22.000 --> 2:23:23.640 Yeah, so that's coming up. 2:23:23.640 --> 2:23:28.039 But I the thing that I'm actually really interested in 2:23:28.120 --> 2:23:31.680 talking about, just in a bigger way is my other business. 2:23:32.080 --> 2:23:35.199 I am a meditation teacher and a spiritual well being coach, 2:23:36.360 --> 2:23:38.560 and so I just I kind of want to I 2:23:38.600 --> 2:23:40.600 want I want people, first of all, to follow me 2:23:41.360 --> 2:23:44.040 on because I don't have enough followers right now, and 2:23:44.080 --> 2:23:45.279 I want more followers from. 2:23:45.240 --> 2:23:49.200 I literally looked up Williamson Instagram and nothing came up. 2:23:49.440 --> 2:23:50.000 What is it? 2:23:50.200 --> 2:23:53.160 Oh well, I have a Jama Williamson Instagram. 2:23:53.280 --> 2:23:54.520 Okay, that not come up. 2:23:55.600 --> 2:23:58.039 That's just my that's me, and that's more acting stuff, 2:23:58.080 --> 2:23:59.840 and that's you know, that's just kind of life. 2:24:00.040 --> 2:24:00.400 There it is. 2:24:00.440 --> 2:24:03.800 And then I have another one called Soul Light Wellbeing 2:24:04.120 --> 2:24:08.160 dot com. And that's my wu Wu side. I'm pretty 2:24:08.160 --> 2:24:13.040 woo woo guys, okay, And I'm a real spirit seeker 2:24:13.400 --> 2:24:17.240 and and a meditator. I'm a daily meditator and a 2:24:17.280 --> 2:24:20.320 meditation teacher and a teacher of Vireveda and also a coach. 2:24:20.800 --> 2:24:23.800 So I'm just interested in people because we need people 2:24:23.800 --> 2:24:26.160 to wake up right now in the universe and the 2:24:26.400 --> 2:24:27.640 in the world we are. 2:24:28.320 --> 2:24:30.560 You know what you have to do moment You have 2:24:30.640 --> 2:24:33.199 to put your business link in your personal link. 2:24:33.160 --> 2:24:36.800 Like tag it. Oh, people will follow you like, hey. 2:24:36.920 --> 2:24:39.720 This is my other thing, taget so then we can 2:24:39.760 --> 2:24:41.120 click and then you'll get more follow up. 2:24:41.680 --> 2:24:44.080 And your Instagram did come up? I think I put 2:24:44.120 --> 2:24:46.000 in just an I and it gave me your imt B. 2:24:46.120 --> 2:24:49.120 I'm an idiot. Your Instagram did come up? Yeah, but 2:24:49.240 --> 2:24:51.320 you're that's my parents. I agree. 2:24:51.360 --> 2:24:53.720 You have to high in my name. You have to say, 2:24:53.760 --> 2:24:54.400 like in your. 2:24:54.240 --> 2:24:55.840 Bio, you have to go. I wouldn't be able to 2:24:55.879 --> 2:24:58.080 even know you have this if I looked at your bio. 2:24:58.280 --> 2:25:01.480 Oh yeah, no that you should write for woo stuff. 2:25:01.680 --> 2:25:03.720 You should write like for Woo Woo stuff, go to 2:25:03.840 --> 2:25:07.120 and then just tag at soulight well being oh good, okay, 2:25:07.120 --> 2:25:10.279 and then people will go to that. This was awesome, Jima, 2:25:10.400 --> 2:25:12.120 thank you so much for talking to us for so 2:25:12.280 --> 2:25:13.480 long and this was great. 2:25:13.840 --> 2:25:16.199 Is there any other I loved it? Any other SVU 2:25:16.520 --> 2:25:19.199 set tidbits that you forgot? Did you and Iced Tea 2:25:19.280 --> 2:25:22.400 have any run ins or anything? I wish? No? 2:25:22.400 --> 2:25:23.960 No, I didn't get to my husband got to work 2:25:23.959 --> 2:25:27.000 with him. I didn't, so I missed that. So that's 2:25:27.000 --> 2:25:29.440 why I want I need to come back. Yeah, you 2:25:29.480 --> 2:25:31.960 know that kid is like you said, like when kid 2:25:31.959 --> 2:25:34.279 is seven, and we'll go for circirl. 2:25:35.080 --> 2:25:40.080 We love your the inside the remembering a forgotten cut scene. 2:25:40.240 --> 2:25:42.160 I thought this might be the first time we've talked 2:25:42.160 --> 2:25:42.680 to someone. 2:25:42.560 --> 2:25:45.320 That gave us that. So this has been amazing. That's nice. 2:25:45.440 --> 2:25:47.640 Oh good, Well, it was so fun talking to you. Yeah, 2:25:47.680 --> 2:25:48.119 you too. 2:25:48.760 --> 2:25:51.280 We'll see you in the streets of Philadelphia one of 2:25:51.280 --> 2:25:58.160 these days. Oh my god, she was lovely. What a 2:25:58.280 --> 2:26:00.720 nice what a fun what a fun gal? Hi love 2:26:00.720 --> 2:26:01.560 our podcasts. 2:26:06.240 --> 2:26:10.920 Yeah she was so great. I mean wow. And then 2:26:11.040 --> 2:26:12.800 we see her again and we are. 2:26:12.840 --> 2:26:15.560 The crossovers and being friends with the people that we 2:26:15.640 --> 2:26:18.400 know from others like it's just like, yeah, yeah, you know, 2:26:18.520 --> 2:26:19.080 it's fun. 2:26:19.120 --> 2:26:21.840 It's fun. It's like, yes, she's a cool girl. 2:26:23.120 --> 2:26:26.039 My job and it was fun. And I guess I 2:26:26.080 --> 2:26:29.560 should get to j Lo what everyone is dying to know. 2:26:29.879 --> 2:26:33.800 All right, well, let's really quick the postmortem of the episode. 2:26:34.520 --> 2:26:35.200 It's so sad. 2:26:36.040 --> 2:26:38.400 The postmortum of the episode is like, I mean, the 2:26:38.480 --> 2:26:42.480 episode is like obviously gay trash. 2:26:42.640 --> 2:26:44.000 Every Yeah, the Gabby. 2:26:43.760 --> 2:26:46.400 Pachito case is so fresh in all of our minds, 2:26:46.440 --> 2:26:50.240 but I feel like that was such a it was 2:26:50.240 --> 2:26:53.760 so illustrated through all of the video clips and all 2:26:53.879 --> 2:26:56.720 that stuff like that they had of them in a 2:26:56.760 --> 2:26:59.280 way that you just old documentaries. 2:26:59.320 --> 2:27:01.039 You'd be like, and then he killed her and. 2:27:00.959 --> 2:27:03.360 We'll never really know what happened leading up, But like 2:27:03.800 --> 2:27:06.720 now it's like these people were van life YouTubers. Like 2:27:06.720 --> 2:27:08.480 there is a lot of footage, even though a lot 2:27:08.480 --> 2:27:10.840 of it didn't get posted, there's a lot of footage 2:27:10.840 --> 2:27:15.400 of them together and just God, trust your fucking gut 2:27:15.440 --> 2:27:19.920 when it comes to guys that have like a weird, dark, 2:27:20.000 --> 2:27:22.880 manipulative side but then are super sweet to you. Like 2:27:23.040 --> 2:27:26.360 that's really I feel like, what was the issue with 2:27:26.400 --> 2:27:28.600 this guy is everybody was like there was something off, 2:27:29.760 --> 2:27:32.200 but like he had never done anything to her that 2:27:32.200 --> 2:27:36.760 anybody knew about, you know, and then just fucking killed her, 2:27:36.920 --> 2:27:41.000 Like oh my god, the worst, the worst experience for 2:27:41.080 --> 2:27:41.560 her family. 2:27:41.600 --> 2:27:43.720 And then do not be a. 2:27:43.720 --> 2:27:47.280 Boy mom harboring your murderous son. Get him a good 2:27:47.360 --> 2:27:51.160 lawyer and let's go. You know, that's it. I talked 2:27:51.160 --> 2:27:52.680 to Jared about it. I was like, what would you 2:27:52.720 --> 2:27:56.680 do if we found out Oscar or Rosie like a 2:27:56.760 --> 2:27:59.359 murdered someone. And He's like, get them a good lawyer. 2:27:59.080 --> 2:28:03.520 And we're turning them in, like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:28:03.560 --> 2:28:08.600 I mean, come on that woman, if you're in jail, 2:28:08.680 --> 2:28:10.560 I will bake a file into a cake. 2:28:10.720 --> 2:28:14.800 If you are like that letter, get a life, get. 2:28:14.600 --> 2:28:19.760 A life, want to be Yeah, anyway, let's get to 2:28:19.800 --> 2:28:21.280 the j LO notes. I want to hear them. 2:28:21.720 --> 2:28:22.039 Tell me. 2:28:22.360 --> 2:28:24.720 I mean, she's having a hard time selling concerts out. 2:28:24.720 --> 2:28:25.320 There's a reason. 2:28:25.440 --> 2:28:27.960 Okay. One it's called out of this World. 2:28:28.680 --> 2:28:31.080 Has nothing to do with space, like it has nothing 2:28:31.120 --> 2:28:31.879 to do with anything. 2:28:31.920 --> 2:28:32.560 Out of this world. 2:28:32.959 --> 2:28:38.240 She's actually singing show tunes whatever Lola wants. She's saying 2:28:38.320 --> 2:28:40.880 rain on my parade. She's also sang Lana del Rey. 2:28:41.920 --> 2:28:44.920 But outside of all that, there is a teleprompter. 2:28:46.920 --> 2:28:48.240 So that to me is like. 2:28:49.680 --> 2:28:53.959 Especially off watching like the Taylor Swift kind of documentary 2:28:54.040 --> 2:28:56.600 series and the effort and the time and the work 2:28:56.640 --> 2:28:59.480 and the passion, and then to see this where it's like, 2:29:00.040 --> 2:29:03.600 do you have a teleprompter? Like that's embarrassing and for 2:29:03.680 --> 2:29:06.000 the talking. So then it's like, well, if you have 2:29:06.040 --> 2:29:09.080 a teleprompter for when you're speaking, it should be it 2:29:09.080 --> 2:29:14.400 should sound clear, concise, like rehearsed ready, but it wasn't, 2:29:14.480 --> 2:29:17.879 so it's like flustered and off. It sounds like off 2:29:17.879 --> 2:29:20.760 the top of her head, but so insincere and not real. 2:29:21.480 --> 2:29:23.800 So it's like, why how do you manage that? 2:29:24.080 --> 2:29:28.879 How do you manage so much insincerity with like with 2:29:28.959 --> 2:29:33.440 a teleprompterure? But it's not polished, so confusing. I will 2:29:33.480 --> 2:29:37.199 say positive things. She looks incredible, The wardrobe is incredible. 2:29:37.240 --> 2:29:40.520 Everything looks amazing on her, her hair, her face, her moves. 2:29:40.520 --> 2:29:43.920 I mean, the bitches on fire in terms of looks like. 2:29:44.320 --> 2:29:47.080 She also tried to make jokes about her divorce and stuff, 2:29:47.120 --> 2:29:49.400 which and it's also cool to see just like a 2:29:49.440 --> 2:29:55.040 star like that. In so it's Caesars, which like Nicky's 2:29:55.080 --> 2:29:57.160 gonna be there, and I think for a comedian it's giant, 2:29:57.160 --> 2:29:59.280 but for like when I saw Celine Dion there, it's 2:29:59.360 --> 2:30:01.720 it's a very intimate venue. I think that's where Adele 2:30:01.920 --> 2:30:04.280 was like, it's an intimate venue to see a star 2:30:04.480 --> 2:30:09.119 that big, but it is. It's big, but it's intimate. 2:30:09.200 --> 2:30:13.640 I don't know. Okay, how a few thousand, but like, okay, 2:30:13.680 --> 2:30:16.280 so it's like a teleprompter, you're doing show tunes. But 2:30:16.440 --> 2:30:18.120 you know, I loved hearing the hits and I loved 2:30:18.120 --> 2:30:20.600 on the side screens. It was like jab Rule and 2:30:20.680 --> 2:30:23.600 Ello cool J kind of a video of them singing, 2:30:24.360 --> 2:30:26.080 which I liked them being incorporated. 2:30:26.440 --> 2:30:27.520 I liked the oh yeah. 2:30:27.520 --> 2:30:30.720 So before we went in over dinner, I was just 2:30:30.760 --> 2:30:32.600 like I don't get why she's doing this, Like why 2:30:32.600 --> 2:30:35.959 not take a break figure stuff out? Like I don't 2:30:36.000 --> 2:30:38.120 know if I had such a flopy, Like why would 2:30:38.160 --> 2:30:40.440 you do this? And then there was a moment where 2:30:40.480 --> 2:30:42.680 I saw her like turn in a spin and like 2:30:42.800 --> 2:30:44.840 smile to one of the dancers, and I was like, 2:30:45.120 --> 2:30:47.520 oh yeah, uh, she's a performer, Like even if I 2:30:47.520 --> 2:30:49.680 had a rough time, I would want to perform. So 2:30:49.720 --> 2:30:52.000 there was this moment of like, oh, yeah, she's like 2:30:52.720 --> 2:30:55.000 she's an artist. Of course she wants to be up there. 2:30:55.080 --> 2:30:57.879 Of course the audience matters. She had these moments where 2:30:57.920 --> 2:31:00.200 I caught her really smiling and enjoying it. 2:31:00.760 --> 2:31:01.320 But then the. 2:31:01.360 --> 2:31:04.560 Undercurrent of just the talking and the sloppiness of the 2:31:04.560 --> 2:31:07.440 show didn't make sense. Like you kind of saw her 2:31:07.680 --> 2:31:11.760 thinking about the moves. It was strange. It wasn't a 2:31:11.800 --> 2:31:16.280 polished show. So and then the I don't know, it 2:31:16.600 --> 2:31:21.320 just is confusing. Yeah, but I could tell like, of 2:31:21.400 --> 2:31:24.160 course she wants to perform, that's what we do. Of course, 2:31:24.440 --> 2:31:27.640 Like like it made sense, but then it's like it's 2:31:27.720 --> 2:31:30.440 not that great. I don't know. I don't know, but 2:31:30.520 --> 2:31:33.800 obviously she's talented. And then it did a montage of 2:31:33.800 --> 2:31:37.440 her career and it's of course incredible and the outfits 2:31:37.480 --> 2:31:40.080 and the songs, but it's like rain on my parade. 2:31:40.200 --> 2:31:42.280 Why are you doing Broadway show tunes in a show 2:31:42.320 --> 2:31:45.879 called out of This World in Las Vegas with a teleprompter? 2:31:46.520 --> 2:31:47.440 I don't understand. 2:31:47.640 --> 2:31:50.680 I mean, I think Mariah has a teleprompter as well. 2:31:50.959 --> 2:31:53.279 Obviously that's just like age. 2:31:53.360 --> 2:31:56.120 They're just like just in case you fully blank out 2:31:56.160 --> 2:31:58.879 and are like you know, but no, of course, of. 2:31:58.840 --> 2:32:02.680 Course, of course, it's just it just is weird because 2:32:02.680 --> 2:32:05.560 then it's like shouldn't shouldn't you be better? Like if 2:32:05.600 --> 2:32:08.800 it's like Telera, I don't know the talking, it's just 2:32:08.920 --> 2:32:12.000 and there was a lot of like downs and ups, 2:32:12.120 --> 2:32:14.640 divorces and look at me now, but with jokes. 2:32:14.680 --> 2:32:16.160 And it's like the Broadway. 2:32:15.879 --> 2:32:18.920 Show tune thing is really weird because it's like Babe, 2:32:18.959 --> 2:32:20.040 like I don't know. 2:32:20.400 --> 2:32:22.280 Well, to me, she sounded good, but then when I 2:32:22.320 --> 2:32:23.920 sent it to Mateo, he's like that's a head voice. 2:32:23.959 --> 2:32:26.119 Like that's like she's singing from her. 2:32:26.120 --> 2:32:28.280 Neck or and is she doing that to like promote 2:32:28.360 --> 2:32:29.480 Kiss of the Spider Woman. 2:32:29.840 --> 2:32:34.240 Well, she's sang that spider song which was okay, I've 2:32:34.280 --> 2:32:37.320 never heard of it, but she sings some Spanish. 2:32:37.360 --> 2:32:37.640 Also. 2:32:37.680 --> 2:32:41.560 The crowd, like the crowd is casine. It's elder like 2:32:41.560 --> 2:32:44.040 a lot of people were sitting. It's old people. It's 2:32:44.160 --> 2:32:46.480 like there was a grandma with her granddaughter was just 2:32:46.560 --> 2:32:48.520 on her phone non stop and her with her birken. 2:32:48.879 --> 2:32:51.560 I have the funniest videos Jlo working as hard as 2:32:51.560 --> 2:32:55.400 she can, glitter two thing dancing dancers around her, and 2:32:55.400 --> 2:32:57.480 then I would pay to this girl would not look 2:32:57.560 --> 2:33:02.560 up from her phone now for one fucking second. No, 2:33:02.640 --> 2:33:05.080 it was a great show. I was happy to see 2:33:05.160 --> 2:33:09.320 j Lo. It's like, I'll remember it. I just was, 2:33:10.240 --> 2:33:12.800 you know what, it felt like death becomes her. 2:33:13.160 --> 2:33:14.400 And I like what I see. 2:33:15.080 --> 2:33:18.119 D like the songbird the musical from the beginning. 2:33:18.120 --> 2:33:18.920 That's what it felt like. 2:33:19.200 --> 2:33:23.440 It felt like Madeline Sharp in her musical in the beginning, 2:33:24.959 --> 2:33:28.879 and I ever, oh my god. There was like a 2:33:28.879 --> 2:33:30.440 couple in front of us where the woman was a 2:33:30.440 --> 2:33:32.680 lot younger and the guy couldn't stand, so she had 2:33:32.720 --> 2:33:34.879 to sit with this old man that obviously paid for 2:33:34.920 --> 2:33:37.200 the evening, and so she didn't get to enjoy the 2:33:37.200 --> 2:33:38.680 show because she had to sit with this old man. 2:33:38.720 --> 2:33:40.840 And then the waitress spilled a whole drink and ice 2:33:40.920 --> 2:33:43.680 on him. It was like, this man's having the worst 2:33:43.760 --> 2:33:44.480 night of his life. 2:33:46.959 --> 2:33:48.240 What would sister peg do? 2:33:48.360 --> 2:33:50.560 You guys know, this is our weekly segment where we 2:33:50.600 --> 2:33:54.440 point you to a resource a book, whether it's a book, 2:33:54.440 --> 2:33:57.680 an article, an organization, And this week, obviously we wouldn't 2:33:57.680 --> 2:34:00.400 want to point you to the Gabby Patito Foundation. It 2:34:00.480 --> 2:34:03.879 was founded by Gabby's family as a result of her murder, 2:34:04.480 --> 2:34:07.080 and it is an organization committed to fighting against domestic 2:34:07.120 --> 2:34:12.120 violence and working with missing persons. They work to equip 2:34:12.120 --> 2:34:15.000 communities and first responders with the tools, training, and support 2:34:15.040 --> 2:34:18.040 they need to prevent and respond to domestic violence and 2:34:18.080 --> 2:34:21.600 to protect those at risk. So to learn more, to 2:34:21.680 --> 2:34:24.439 get help, to donate, you can head over to Gabbypatito 2:34:24.520 --> 2:34:27.520 Foundation dot org. That is linked in our show notes 2:34:27.520 --> 2:34:30.200 that will be linked in a story that comes out 2:34:30.240 --> 2:34:33.160 the day that this episode releases and that gets saved 2:34:33.280 --> 2:34:36.640 forever in our WWSPD highlights that are at the top 2:34:36.680 --> 2:34:39.199 of our Instagram page, which is that s messed up pod, 2:34:39.840 --> 2:34:40.880 Thank you so much. 2:34:41.400 --> 2:34:45.760 And next week we will be doing Ripped from season seven, 2:34:45.879 --> 2:34:47.960 episode four. And I'm sorry I said it like that. 2:34:48.000 --> 2:34:52.160 I really don't know how to say no, that's that's 2:34:52.200 --> 2:34:54.600 I said. I didn't understand why it was called that. 2:34:54.680 --> 2:34:58.720 And then once I started watching rewatching, I was like, oh. 2:34:58.600 --> 2:34:59.400 I get it, I get it. 2:34:59.400 --> 2:34:59.800 I'm slow. 2:35:00.600 --> 2:35:04.080 Yeah, Oh my god. I had a huge rev. I 2:35:04.120 --> 2:35:07.000 had a big moment in my life. Yesterday. I landed 2:35:07.040 --> 2:35:12.400 from my trip and I unpacked everything. What I unpacked 2:35:12.520 --> 2:35:16.120 everything I put it away. I took the laundry this morning. 2:35:16.200 --> 2:35:19.039 I put my suitcase in the closet. Doesn't feel good. 2:35:19.440 --> 2:35:22.640 And I got in the shower. I have never ever 2:35:22.760 --> 2:35:25.200 done that. Doesn't it feel good? I love getting my 2:35:25.240 --> 2:35:27.600 suitcase unpacked? It felt great. 2:35:27.720 --> 2:35:31.120 But I had SVU just running, and because we had 2:35:31.120 --> 2:35:35.279 to watch some episodes for interviews whatever, and I forgot 2:35:35.280 --> 2:35:38.480 what I was gonna say. But I watched It's a 2:35:38.520 --> 2:35:41.200 New Dawn. But that's not how I wanted to say 2:35:41.200 --> 2:35:43.920 it. It was something about like the ripped. I was watching 2:35:43.959 --> 2:35:47.600 an episode. Oh, it's Cragan in the episode we had 2:35:47.600 --> 2:35:52.359 the guest on. It's the Peakupike, it's the. 2:35:51.080 --> 2:35:52.480 The lead car one the Match show. 2:35:52.600 --> 2:35:55.959 Ye John John renn not John Reynolds, John Gallagher. 2:35:56.680 --> 2:35:57.360 Yeah, but. 2:35:58.800 --> 2:36:02.640 It's Craigan walking in going. Are we concerned that he's slow? 2:36:04.560 --> 2:36:08.120 Just made me laugh. It made me laugh. Are we 2:36:08.200 --> 2:36:11.600 concerned that he's slow? We have fun episodes coming up, man. 2:36:11.640 --> 2:36:13.680 One of the other ones we're covering soon is I know. 2:36:13.760 --> 2:36:14.520 That's a wild thing. 2:36:14.560 --> 2:36:15.760 It's like I love the new ones. 2:36:15.800 --> 2:36:18.400 I love I love the cat I love the storytelling, 2:36:18.400 --> 2:36:20.080 I love the new shit. Whatever. We could talk about 2:36:20.120 --> 2:36:22.640 lots of things, but I miss I miss our guy, 2:36:22.959 --> 2:36:25.840 like when we get to do a Kragan episode or 2:36:26.000 --> 2:36:28.560 Munch like, I've I missed them. 2:36:28.680 --> 2:36:29.880 It's kind of crazy. 2:36:29.959 --> 2:36:34.960 So yeah, Craigan, Melinda Huang, those are the Oh. 2:36:35.000 --> 2:36:37.519 I have a confession. I have a confession. 2:36:38.440 --> 2:36:40.800 I went to a Bobby Flay restaurant and I'm sorry 2:36:40.800 --> 2:36:41.879 while I was in Vegas. 2:36:42.360 --> 2:36:45.040 I can't believe you did that. I know we are 2:36:45.160 --> 2:36:46.720 personal friends with Stephanie March. 2:36:47.400 --> 2:36:48.320 Yeah, but. 2:36:51.560 --> 2:36:53.440 Maybe you have to go rewatch a few episodes of 2:36:53.440 --> 2:36:57.680 Girl Code from MTV. All right, we'll see you guys 2:36:57.720 --> 2:37:00.920 next week. Bye. 2:37:07.200 --> 2:37:10.080 That's Messed Up as an exactly right production. If you 2:37:10.120 --> 2:37:12.760 have compliments you'd like to give us or episodes you'd 2:37:12.800 --> 2:37:14.640 like us to cover, shoot us an email at That's 2:37:14.680 --> 2:37:18.119 Messed uppod at gmail dot com. Listen to That's Messed 2:37:18.200 --> 2:37:21.039 Up on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 2:37:21.040 --> 2:37:24.520 get your podcasts. Follow the podcast on Instagram at That's 2:37:24.560 --> 2:37:27.920 Messed Up Pod, and follow us personally at Kara Klank 2:37:28.040 --> 2:37:31.160 and at glitter Cheese. 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