Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 1: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 1: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done done, Yay, that's messed up.
Speaker 2: A SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Liza Trigger and I'm Kara Klank And every week
Speaker 3: we break down an episode of SVU. We talk about
Speaker 3: the true crime its based on, and we interview a
Speaker 3: celeb guest and first we chat up top and this
Speaker 3: is our first time chatting.
Speaker 2: It's our, it's our. When does this episode come out?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even I don't know when it
Speaker 1: comes out. But we are acording on the anniversary of
Speaker 1: January sixth, which we love to do. We do this
Speaker 1: every I love to record on January six a stain
Speaker 1: on our country, but a positive, funny thing for us.
Speaker 2: I don't know who can remember. Who can remember January sixth?
Speaker 3: Where now there's January like second or whatever, now there's
Speaker 3: or the third, whatever just happened?
Speaker 1: Like well, the funniest thing is I remember January sixth,
Speaker 1: and I remember finding out the information. I'm watching a
Speaker 1: video of people climbing into the Capitol and my friend
Speaker 1: who's no longer my friend calls me you probably know
Speaker 1: who this is and starts complaining about someone blaming her
Speaker 1: for getting COVID and like is complaining about the most
Speaker 1: stupid stuff, And I'd be like, yeah, the people are
Speaker 1: climbing into the Capitol. I really would. I just I'm busy,
Speaker 1: Like I just remember being like I can't but now
Speaker 1: it's like this, everyone's pardon, nothing happened.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter.
Speaker 1: But when you're watching people attack the building, you get Bob.
Speaker 1: And she was just like can you believe that she's
Speaker 1: called her and said this? And I go, I think
Speaker 1: we're under attack. I can't really focus.
Speaker 3: I have the opposite where I think of your friend
Speaker 3: every time I think of January sixth, because she's the
Speaker 3: one that wrote it into our group chat. Oh and
Speaker 3: was like and I was like, she was like, you guys,
Speaker 3: someone people are attacking the capital and I was like okay,
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 2: I like googled it and was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: She's the one that like broke the news to me,
Speaker 3: so I kind of always think about her being like, no,
Speaker 3: this is a huge deal, and I was like, ah,
Speaker 3: like so nuts.
Speaker 2: But it ended up not mattering at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people tried to well, yeah, there was an interview
Speaker 1: I guess with.
Speaker 2: Pence or something.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, AOC used to be chill as fuck,
Speaker 1: and then it changed after January sixth. I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened. And they're like, you tried to murder her.
Speaker 1: They tried to murder her, and I don't know. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: they tried to murder Mike Pence. I know, but I
Speaker 1: need give a fuck. He's too busy pretending that to
Speaker 1: be gay talking about gay.
Speaker 3: He did Rivalry. I'll give you till next week to
Speaker 3: watch it. I will, yes, please give me a little
Speaker 3: bit more time. I'm on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I because you know I'm horned.
Speaker 1: I mean, if someone videotaped me on all my flights
Speaker 1: on my phone, they would think I probably had a
Speaker 1: mental disorder. My whole feet, every single video, every video,
Speaker 1: If if anything is on my phone that's not heated rivalry,
Speaker 1: I scroll up immediately.
Speaker 3: My phone's not even trying wait wild Okay, that's so funny.
Speaker 3: But first of all, can I also just really quickly
Speaker 3: say that I heard that in New York City there
Speaker 3: is a wall of all the people from January sixth,
Speaker 3: with pictures of them and breakdowns of who they are.
Speaker 3: So if you want to visit that, I saw it
Speaker 3: on TikTok but yes, okay, so on my other podcast,
Speaker 3: Who's the Bitch. Jackie has Been was an early adopter
Speaker 3: of fucking Heated Rivalry and told.
Speaker 2: Me about it and I was like, okay, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll put it on that yeah reads yeah, yes, a week.
Speaker 3: Within a week, it was like all over everything, like
Speaker 3: it was just so crazy.
Speaker 1: I was even slow. I was on a sports part.
Speaker 1: They asked me about it. I go, I don't know whatever,
Speaker 1: and then people are like the Russian, the Russian. You
Speaker 1: got to listen to the Russian. And I go, well
Speaker 1: he's Russian, and they go, the bitch is from Texas.
Speaker 1: But what's fun. Yeah, he's from Adessa, Texas. I'm from
Speaker 1: a Dessa, Ukraine. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But his rush.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am watching these edits tearing up on flights.
Speaker 1: I can't be. I am like enthralled by it in
Speaker 1: so many different avenues. And not to fully brag, but
Speaker 1: the writer of the books followed me on Instagram yesterday.
Speaker 2: Ooh, I DMed her. She seems great. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, is the Russian good? Is the guy's Russian good?
Speaker 1: It is the best TV movie Russian by a non
Speaker 1: Russian that's ever happened.
Speaker 2: And in a GQ interview, the.
Speaker 1: Dialect coach like the director doesn't know what's actually happening,
Speaker 1: so he turns to her to be like, how was that?
Speaker 1: Because he has this huge monologue and she goes he
Speaker 1: humbles me why I'm getting chills thinking about I'm gonna
Speaker 1: like start crying like the way. And it's the fact
Speaker 1: that he only had three weeks to prepare. I really
Speaker 1: don't know how he did it. Like his Russian he
Speaker 1: had to learn how to say I don't really speak
Speaker 1: Russian for the other Russian actors because they all thought
Speaker 1: he spoke Russian. Oh my god. Because it's also because
Speaker 1: then I started watching the press and I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: a different person. Like his physicality, the vibe, it's so Soviet.
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible what these guys have done and the
Speaker 1: writer director, it's just like incredible television on a small budget,
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 2: They are incredible.
Speaker 1: It's also it's like very sexual, but the tension, but
Speaker 1: the Russian is incredible. It puts every But we've always
Speaker 1: said this Nicole kidman didn't do it. Orange is the
Speaker 1: New Black wasn't good, and the Americans wasn't good. It's
Speaker 1: a hard thing to do. Yeah, and he's a very gift.
Speaker 1: They're gifted young men, and he like nails it and
Speaker 1: in a huge way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of actors feel like they
Speaker 3: can nail the speaking English in a Russian accent.
Speaker 2: But they but they do that bad too.
Speaker 1: They do that bad, like he It's kind of like
Speaker 1: playing drunk, where you downplay it. You're suppose sit down
Speaker 1: play it like no one had like And I feel
Speaker 1: when people do it, they up this like accent. But
Speaker 1: usually people are trying to assimilate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and I think he just the it's subtler. It's
Speaker 1: I can't, I really can't even.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love this. Okay, I'm it's on
Speaker 3: my list for this week. I'm doing it this week.
Speaker 3: We finished the Horses.
Speaker 2: I'm done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this television series is moving you to tears. I
Speaker 3: mean it has a nine point one on IMDb out
Speaker 3: of ten. I don't think that's even I've ever seen
Speaker 3: anything above eight on IMDb. The biggest hateration like squad
Speaker 3: of the of the Internet. It's ninety eight on rotten tomatoes.
Speaker 1: I mean, but my goal in the hote New Year's
Speaker 1: is about not about changing yourself a new person resolution.
Speaker 1: But my I do have a goal this year, and
Speaker 1: it's to cut my spending in half. So my phone
Speaker 1: keeps showing me, you know, his Jersey's crop top. You know,
Speaker 1: I want the crop tops my phone every every five
Speaker 1: enemy in this resolution, Oh a wood This just showed
Speaker 1: me like a wooden stead two of the two the
Speaker 1: mice from Cinderella. My phone knows I'm trying to quit spending.
Speaker 1: It's like fucked. In the old year, a ba bar
Speaker 1: sweater was thirty percent off, but I was like New Year,
Speaker 1: I'm not. So we'll see if I end up buying
Speaker 1: a heated rivalry crop top or not, but hopefully I can.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it's like you get to a certain
Speaker 3: goal by the end of the month, and then you
Speaker 3: reward yourself with a heated rivalry crop top. I think
Speaker 3: that could work, you know, like just like work towards goal,
Speaker 3: work towards miniature.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know your goal is to watch it by
Speaker 1: next time, but only six yeah, oh, I'm I can
Speaker 1: I can finish that yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no problem.
Speaker 2: And I would make sure the kids are in bed.
Speaker 3: Oh please, my kids won't won't watch a second of
Speaker 3: anything that I have on. Please, Like they come and
Speaker 3: want Housewives is on and they're like, what is this?
Speaker 3: So that's not happening. Uh so wait, how was your Christmas?
Speaker 3: We I know it's mid January, but we haven't spoken.
Speaker 2: I need I need to know about the something old,
Speaker 2: I mean something not crossing blue.
Speaker 1: Soft because a lot I was at a wed, I
Speaker 1: was everywhere I did for cities in seven days. Check
Speaker 1: with a check bag, I mean, but before any I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like overwhelmed. The Backstrep Boys at the Sphere was
Speaker 1: the best night of my life, the best of my life.
Speaker 1: It is the best concert, It's the best venue if
Speaker 1: there's awards for venues, architecture, design effects. But I am
Speaker 1: I was blown away. I was on a different planet.
Speaker 1: And if there's a possibility for you guys to go,
Speaker 1: I'm because we saw them and I assumed it would
Speaker 1: be similar setlists. They opened with the closer from Last Time,
Speaker 1: There's deep cuts, Get another boyfriend, Get another Boyfriend.
Speaker 2: They were doing the call. I mean they were today
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Get down, get I mean deep cuts, Spanish Eye. They
Speaker 1: did the one that's the that's the music video. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I've told this story on the podcast before,
Speaker 1: but it was the video was premiering on and I
Speaker 1: broke the door. So when the ones started, I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe it. I got to do New Year's Countdown with
Speaker 1: the Backstreet Boys. You are the effects. It's just I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of them. You could tell they're so proud,
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 2: Just was amazing. And then someone did read me.
Speaker 1: They go, wow, you did your millennial makeup so well,
Speaker 1: and it's like, are you calling me old bitch? But
Speaker 1: I yeah, no.
Speaker 2: I had frosted blue eyeshadow.
Speaker 1: I got sparkles on my face like I wore baby
Speaker 1: blue cloud. And a security girls stopped me and she goes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I used to have that wallpaper. I go,
Speaker 1: I had the sheets. I got the baby blue sky.
Speaker 1: That was huge. I've also dubbed millennial women the canopy
Speaker 1: bed generation. Oh you either had one or you wanted one.
Speaker 1: Were the canopy bed generals. I was a wanter, not
Speaker 1: a My parents said too much dust but anyways, but
Speaker 1: the sphere there's hidden bars in every section you're in
Speaker 1: kind of there's no lines. There's no lines anywhere, like
Speaker 1: there's no merch lines everything, Like there's so much like
Speaker 1: it really outside of the effects and like the room
Speaker 1: itself like just hidden little areas for everything, bathrooms.
Speaker 2: Ever, I don't know how they did it.
Speaker 1: There was no huge lines like there aren't stadium like
Speaker 1: it was an incredible user experience.
Speaker 2: Was it dizzying at all? Like the effects? Honey? No?
Speaker 1: So I went with someone Sophia thank you so much,
Speaker 1: that works at Live Nation, so we had really good
Speaker 1: seats but Risen and then we got wristbands for the
Speaker 1: family and Friends platform and.
Speaker 2: So we did both.
Speaker 1: Just like she was like, I want you to see
Speaker 1: the whole effects, like can we sit up there?
Speaker 2: So it started, we saw the whole effects. I think the.
Speaker 1: Second song I turned her and go, we're going to
Speaker 1: I need to see my boys up club like this,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. So we run down where
Speaker 1: there's so much space because the family and Friends aren't
Speaker 1: like Madia, so like we got room to dance the
Speaker 1: confetti like yeah, I can't even I'll show you one
Speaker 1: video to like kind of so you could see the
Speaker 1: scope of just the sphere. Okay, ready, Casey, I want
Speaker 1: you to see this too. Okay, look, wow, wow, oh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Whoa, it's crazy. I want to see I want to
Speaker 3: go now. You don't have to answer this on the
Speaker 3: pod or or we can cut it or whatever. But
Speaker 3: did you drink? Did you do something else?
Speaker 2: Look?
Speaker 3: Oh look, it was because everybody's talking about going there
Speaker 3: and like doing drugs but then getting overwhelmed.
Speaker 2: So I was just wondering if it was drinking or no.
Speaker 2: You know me, I went when I saw the chicks,
Speaker 2: I got blacked down.
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything, and that's not the way I
Speaker 1: do concerts, and I don't want to pee.
Speaker 2: I don't want to miss anything I had.
Speaker 1: I had two double whiskeys on the rocks because that's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pee. I can't do backusoda it's too
Speaker 1: much liquid. So yeah, I didn't really. I don't even
Speaker 1: think I had a cocktail before, if I'm being honest, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: I just had a few whiskeys, no drugs, no edible, nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing on it. I wanted to fully experience. I just
Speaker 1: and what's crazy is I don't listen to the Backstreep Boys.
Speaker 1: I don't listen to them. I knew the words every
Speaker 1: single song, every single song. It's like crazy the way
Speaker 1: brains work. Yeah, they just came into your life.
Speaker 3: At the time that I think music was solidifying in
Speaker 3: your mind.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm just telling everyone that, like, if you have
Speaker 1: a chance and that's something that you can figure out
Speaker 1: to do, it is an incredible experience. It's not overrated.
Speaker 1: The internet videos do not even do it justice. I
Speaker 1: was kind of not a hater, but I just didn't
Speaker 1: think I'd be that impressed. Like I knew i'd love it,
Speaker 1: but it truly I cannot believe I rang in the
Speaker 1: New York with the Backstreep Boys, Like I really really can't.
Speaker 1: Then I met the Blue Men group the Yeah. Then
Speaker 1: our our friend Liby also got an advanced copy of
Speaker 1: her book started reading it. Everyone needs to pre order it.
Speaker 1: I am reading I have not read in yours. It's
Speaker 1: so good. It's oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well I pre ordered it. I pre ordered it on Amazon, but.
Speaker 1: That was one of our Christmas gifts, so there's not
Speaker 1: even a back cover, you know, Like, I that's really cool,
Speaker 1: but then she got us reservations. Her friend chef Sarah
Speaker 1: works at cost Supply of one of the best restaurants,
Speaker 1: like in the wait, like I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: And then I went to j Lo, who I have
Speaker 2: some notes for you? What I have some notes? Wait
Speaker 2: really quickly though, let's do a formal shout out.
Speaker 3: But I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go and pre order our
Speaker 3: friend Alison Liby. She's the host of the Ruined podcast,
Speaker 3: which I know many of you listen to because I
Speaker 3: think Lisa and I have both guest hosted on it
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 2: But it's it's called I'm a Lot.
Speaker 3: She did the show Oh God to show about abortion
Speaker 3: in New York that was like rave reviews, Anna Win Tour, everything,
Speaker 3: like everybody went to it. She's one of the funnies people.
Speaker 3: She's one of our best friends. Go order her book.
Speaker 3: It comes out in July. If you just pre order
Speaker 3: it now, you don't pay for anything, and then you
Speaker 3: just get it in July when it comes out, and
Speaker 3: pre orders help her.
Speaker 1: Okay, remember how I talked to you about the Arthur
Speaker 1: chain and then it reminded you about the Eric Carl
Speaker 1: and it's like it's kind of when you went nuts
Speaker 1: and tried to buy Eric Carl. The girl messaged me, going,
Speaker 1: I'm dying. Someone sent you me the clip of you
Speaker 1: guys talking about Arthur Chain. The funniest part is that I, too, panic,
Speaker 1: bought Eryl Carl toys when he died. I found my soulmate.
Speaker 2: You were doing it like it was like a market move.
Speaker 3: You were like, the value is gonna go up, we
Speaker 3: need to start buying Eric Carl art like it was
Speaker 3: so funny.
Speaker 1: But oh my gosh, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Okay, so wait, can you can you say how the
Speaker 3: gift exchange went. I'm really interested in how all the
Speaker 3: soft and the edible and all that went.
Speaker 1: I mean, one of our friends is a terrible gift giver,
Speaker 1: and I hope she knows that. So she she brought
Speaker 1: she gave me everything I'm allergic to. So that's pretty fun. No,
Speaker 1: I felt I feel a we all felt so seen,
Speaker 1: like so happy. Everyone killed it in every direction, like
Speaker 1: so cute, so fun. Yeah, Kara wrote a name into
Speaker 1: the chat. I mean, she has so many other amazing
Speaker 1: qualities qualities, it's just not one of them. Love her, No, everyone,
Speaker 1: It's just I think everyone was like so happy and
Speaker 1: touched and it felt really cute and the food was good.
Speaker 1: Alison again made the best crab dip I've had in
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: Oh she's from Marylands, she better be. Oh you gotta
Speaker 2: be bringing the crab dip.
Speaker 1: I really, uh, impressive, impressive crab dip. But it was
Speaker 1: just like it was such a cute, acute Christmas. And
Speaker 1: we watched Home Alone one and two and the Festivist Seinfeld.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lovely, lovely gifts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a joint, a joint holder with a
Speaker 1: pink little mouse with a bow on it. You know,
Speaker 1: like people understood, like we really got each other in
Speaker 1: a way.
Speaker 2: That was cool. And then our stocking stuffers.
Speaker 1: Were all really fun and yeah, it was like a really,
Speaker 1: that's great, it's cute.
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 3: What about I made? I made a spinish nara choke
Speaker 3: tip on for Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: That was a hit. Wow, I mean good food. It's
Speaker 2: a recipe I looked up.
Speaker 3: But people were really all the other appetizers kind of
Speaker 3: got pushed aside.
Speaker 2: People were really into my Spanish artichoke tip.
Speaker 3: Then I brought it on New Year's because we did
Speaker 3: an all appetizer New Years and that's such a good idea.
Speaker 3: What that's a good idea? Yeah, all appetizers like so much.
Speaker 3: It was so much food, but it was like all
Speaker 3: apps and uh it was it had a hard time
Speaker 3: standing up on a table full of apps.
Speaker 2: But at Christmas Eve it was really killing. I made
Speaker 2: it twice.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we had Christmas was you know, I just
Speaker 3: sent my kids back to First of all, my kids
Speaker 3: are not off school yet, like they are still off
Speaker 3: I mean back to school yet.
Speaker 2: They're still off.
Speaker 3: But their school runs a free program for a week
Speaker 3: this week, so I'm like, bye, you're going back.
Speaker 2: So they're back.
Speaker 3: But technically most people in LA are still home with
Speaker 3: their kids, which is so psychotic to me. The program
Speaker 3: they're doing is free. I'm like, why would you not
Speaker 3: take that? But so it was sixteen days with my kids,
Speaker 3: and it fucking rained almost every day in LA. We
Speaker 3: had an atmospheric river, so it was tough. But how
Speaker 3: are they inventing new weather terms. You said an atmospheric river,
Speaker 3: like that's like a normal thing. No, they that happened
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago where they talked about an
Speaker 3: atmospheric river and that was the first time I heard
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: And now it's back.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, it's just.
Speaker 2: Kind of like a lot of rain. I don't know
Speaker 2: why that was never.
Speaker 3: A thing in Chicago or Connecticut like that we rained
Speaker 3: all the time where we lived right like, and was
Speaker 3: never like, oh, this is an atmospheric river.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I just feel blessed that I know
Speaker 1: all the seasons, even here in New York. People it's cold,
Speaker 1: I'm like, get a grip. It's winter, get a grip.
Speaker 1: It's thirty's it's fine, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: just like I am, I'm I just I don't get it. Well.
Speaker 3: What I appreciate about New York is that this summer
Speaker 3: and the spring are like so magical because you've made
Speaker 3: it through those other seasons, Like you're so like, I'm
Speaker 3: never gonna be as pumped for a sunny day in
Speaker 3: la as I am in New York when I've lived
Speaker 3: through cold and rain, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 3: but now Jesus, anyway, enough weather talk.
Speaker 1: No, no, wait, there was an atmospheric river. Wait out
Speaker 1: of the kids, like there, get like, what was Christmas?
Speaker 2: Christmas?
Speaker 1: Waking up in your own house, not traveling, not doing
Speaker 1: flights and renting cars and driving to Connecticut and then
Speaker 1: to Virginia.
Speaker 2: Like, yes, I loved it. It was so great. My
Speaker 2: in loss came.
Speaker 3: My in loss came for ten days, which most people
Speaker 3: are like what, But it was like great, They're great
Speaker 3: to have, like they're so helpful and it was great.
Speaker 2: But Christmas was a hit.
Speaker 3: Oscar got a Barbie camper van from Santa Obsessed. He
Speaker 3: asked for that and then Santa brought it. Also, he
Speaker 3: got a Malibu Barbie to go with it. I went
Speaker 3: online and there I was like, it's a camper Barbie,
Speaker 3: so like I need a camper Barbie. When you get
Speaker 3: a camper Barbie, like a Barbie who camps like she's
Speaker 3: got a little backpack by the way, kind of a
Speaker 3: little bit too on the nose for today's episode to
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 2: Uh, but it's like a van life Barbie.
Speaker 3: And you go to the thing and you can either
Speaker 3: choose Malibu camper Barbie or Brooklyn Camper Barbie. And guess
Speaker 3: what the difference is. One is white and one is black.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this feels so like.
Speaker 3: I showed it to two of our mutual black friends
Speaker 3: and they were like that maybe it's because they were
Speaker 3: like trying to think of reasons.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, because even if a camping.
Speaker 3: Destination like there's you don't like you're not like I'm
Speaker 3: a girl from Brooklyn who camps, It's just like that's
Speaker 3: not a thing. So it was weird. But he got that.
Speaker 3: He got a light up scooter, Rosie got a new bike.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a lot.
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 3: We only got them a few things from from like
Speaker 3: really from us one thing and then four things from
Speaker 3: Santa each. But I forget that, like my siblings send
Speaker 3: gifts that parents should want and I yeah, and the
Speaker 3: kids gifts. So from us was the bike? From us
Speaker 3: was the bike in the scooter. I was like the
Speaker 3: bit because I ran out a wrapping gift too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like the one gift like, well, so the
Speaker 3: bike was half wrapped, like in the back it wasn't wrapped,
Speaker 3: and I was like, just hope in the front of it,
Speaker 3: it's great.
Speaker 1: But well, the Kardashians, I'll do this where each house,
Speaker 1: each girl has their own signature wrapping paper and yeah
Speaker 1: I did that this year, but it's to buy nothing
Speaker 1: new and so I used everything. So someone got newspaper
Speaker 1: like I used only things in the home. But everyone
Speaker 1: got their own, okay, because I had random stuff enough
Speaker 1: for one person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was worried that Rosie was going to
Speaker 3: start catching onto the wrapping paper thing, like why is
Speaker 3: one the in this wrapping paper and what? So I
Speaker 3: got Santa had a minion and a bluey wrapping paper
Speaker 3: that was all his his stuff.
Speaker 2: But it was great.
Speaker 3: They love everything. They got their huge into legos. Now
Speaker 3: they got a bunch of drawing stuff. I mean, my kids,
Speaker 3: like you wouldn't even believe it, Lisa, Like they sit
Speaker 3: and they just draw for like an hour quietly like
Speaker 3: it's and then they go crazy and try to choke
Speaker 3: each other out. But like they really are so into
Speaker 3: art and drawing now. So they got a bunch of
Speaker 3: art shit. And then we went to Santa Barbara for
Speaker 3: two days stops.
Speaker 2: It was really nice. Yeah, my god.
Speaker 1: My taxi driver from Vegas from the airport was from
Speaker 1: Santa Barbara.
Speaker 2: He was a surfer. He told me a lot. He's
Speaker 2: been with his wife a while. Santa Barbara is so funny,
Speaker 2: like I would be have you been there?
Speaker 1: It's changed? It's no, I haven't. I'm I'm so intrigued
Speaker 1: to tell me everything.
Speaker 3: It's just very interesting because like the main drag of
Speaker 3: Santa Barbara to me looks like fancy kind of right.
Speaker 3: So you're walking down the main dragon, there's like an aloe, right,
Speaker 3: and then next to it there's a ninety nine cent store,
Speaker 3: and then there's like a super high end thing, and
Speaker 3: then there's an old navy Like it's just a very
Speaker 3: big mix of high low on their main street.
Speaker 2: And the people are also very diverse.
Speaker 3: Like I cannot get a beat on, Like I always
Speaker 3: just thought everybody from Santa Barbara was like rich and
Speaker 3: then I'm want but like I see other local people
Speaker 3: that just look like regular and like surfers and like
Speaker 3: different kinds of people, and I'm like, huh, Santa Barbara
Speaker 3: is like a real mix. I think I just had
Speaker 3: an idea in my head from the fact that don't
Speaker 3: tell them. On the Babysitters Dead, Santa Barbara is where
Speaker 3: they go on their sexy romantic weekend, the boss and
Speaker 3: her boyfriend. So I think of it as like a
Speaker 3: rich getaway place. You know, it's really diverse sorority life.
Speaker 3: I think on MTV, was you see Santa Barbara and
Speaker 3: so that's where I go to see Santa Barbara's coledge
Speaker 3: of Santa Barbara. Did you get any water bottle for Christmas?
Speaker 3: I did, and I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with this water bottle.
Speaker 3: Jared got this from me, and I was like, Jared,
Speaker 3: you literally have barely ever given me a gift that
Speaker 3: I like, and this is like out of the park.
Speaker 1: I love it so much. Happened, Oh, I will press,
Speaker 1: good job, Jared. Hell.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's an awala and it's thirty two ounces, so
Speaker 3: it's like big, but it fits into my cup holder.
Speaker 2: I know that's been a big issue for you.
Speaker 3: It's been a big issue, the yetti just flying around
Speaker 3: my car, slamming, you know.
Speaker 2: So now I'm so excited, Like I've been killing water
Speaker 2: in this thing. It's so boring.
Speaker 3: The adults didn't really exchange presence this year because we
Speaker 3: were like, let's just do the Santa Barber trip. That's like,
Speaker 3: you know, your family. We went with his family. Oh
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, but but like we just didn't do real
Speaker 3: gifts with them, which is great because it's so they're
Speaker 3: hard to buy, Like it's they're boring to buy for
Speaker 3: a little bit. So I was like we just did stocking,
Speaker 3: so this was in my stocking and.
Speaker 2: I was really happy.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was in your stocking. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was really happy.
Speaker 1: Jara's been on Instagram knowing that, I mean his mom's dide.
Speaker 2: I filled his mom stocking. Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: I just I just slipped up my words. No, exactly,
Speaker 3: he did mine, but I had to tell him. I go,
Speaker 3: just so you know, I'm doing everybody stocking and mine
Speaker 3: will be empty if you don't do it, and he
Speaker 3: was like, right, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: So he like went to bath and body works. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Kara, it keeps happening. It happened to me
Speaker 1: three times. This break where people go every time before
Speaker 1: I like something on Instagram, you've already liked it, and
Speaker 1: then our friend goes, yeah, I see your name under
Speaker 1: like parenting stuff all the time, and I'm like, well.
Speaker 2: That is true of me that forever.
Speaker 3: But that's because you and I, it like knows that
Speaker 3: we like interact and like send each other passages and stuff.
Speaker 3: People in the almost you've already gotten to because I
Speaker 3: think about it and I check because I go, maybe
Speaker 3: I'll bring this up in an intro. But I always
Speaker 3: see that you've already seen it. So I'm like, you
Speaker 3: know so because I because sometimes I'll be like, well
Speaker 3: did you see this? You're like, of course I saw
Speaker 3: it, and it's like I should.
Speaker 2: Have known that it's right there. No, but there was.
Speaker 2: This was so me.
Speaker 1: I uh. I go on YouTube there's a new lad
Speaker 1: Bible and it's my father was a cannibal, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you got me. I'm in okay, I'm watching it.
Speaker 2: Watch it. I was literally talking to my in laws
Speaker 2: about the lad Bible. Have I seen it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I was just telling them something you told me.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, there's this series called lad Bible
Speaker 3: and apparently like I don't remember what part it was
Speaker 3: that I was talking about, but no.
Speaker 1: And also shout out to everyone I met and see
Speaker 1: at in Vancouver. I feel like I could have been
Speaker 1: funnier in Seattle. My bad guys, if you were there,
Speaker 1: I feel like I could have been better. But Vancouver,
Speaker 1: they really I was good there. Vancouver's great, what a
Speaker 1: great city. Seattle's great too. I mean, no, Seattle's great.
Speaker 1: I had a good time. I think people had a
Speaker 1: good time as well. There's just something that was tough
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's something oh speaking, I mean getting into
Speaker 3: a little We've had a couple of panicked messages about
Speaker 3: the fact that Peacock has removed a ton of seasons
Speaker 3: of SVU, so people are like, what the fuck they
Speaker 3: just got rid of, like seasons like seven through eighteen
Speaker 3: or something on Maybe it's hopefully it's like a Hulu
Speaker 3: Peacock thing.
Speaker 2: I mean I have both. Yeah, I don't know. You
Speaker 2: just have to get Hulu.
Speaker 3: If you want to do the homework for this pod,
Speaker 3: you gotta just get Hulu.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're doing it. I'll try to
Speaker 1: see if there's any licensing news that can get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of I mean.
Speaker 2: I have heard about it in advance, Like I've heard
Speaker 2: about it in advance, and it was like, uh oh,
Speaker 2: like SVU might be leaving Peacock, but I was I
Speaker 2: was like, I'll wait to see what happens, if it
Speaker 2: really happens. But I'm a Hulu girl anyway, like I
Speaker 2: every season except the current, but Peacock has the current.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for some reason, just the interface for the work
Speaker 1: that we do, the going back ten second sub I
Speaker 1: don't know there's something on Hulu that makes it easier
Speaker 1: and more enjoyable, even though I like watching peacock stuff,
Speaker 1: but for work it's harder. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: just is what it is. Also how funny. So Jared Goldstein,
Speaker 1: he's obsessed with bags and he goes to a Louis
Speaker 1: Baton that has the Marikami collection that was like notoriously
Speaker 1: sold out everywhere. So he's sending me photos from the
Speaker 1: store and I see in the carrying case a little
Speaker 1: Louis Vauton thing and I go, oh my god, is
Speaker 1: that a pepper spray holder? And he goes, I think
Speaker 1: it's for lipstick, and I go, our brain are so fucked.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I would I would if it's
Speaker 1: for pepper sprayl by it, but I know I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm on a spending freeze. Yeah, not freeze,
Speaker 1: just cutting it in half, cutting it in half. Are
Speaker 1: you allowed to have pepper spray in New York City
Speaker 1: but not mace? You're allowed to have pepper spray?
Speaker 2: I don't give a.
Speaker 1: Fuck, Like, why can you have guns? But any weapon
Speaker 1: that's for women to be safe is illegal? Go fuck yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have whatever I want. And I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: a taser on the underground market and yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. Try me, bitch, come at me, try
Speaker 1: to take me in. All right, Wait, any other, any other?
Speaker 1: What did you do on New Year's.
Speaker 3: I just went to my friend's house and like our
Speaker 3: kids play together. We just drank a ton of wine.
Speaker 2: It was great. It's just show we watched.
Speaker 3: We watched Anderson and Andy and then we watched it again.
Speaker 3: You know, you can just basically replay it.
Speaker 1: But I did go to vander Pump Glarden at Caesar
Speaker 1: in Vegas, in Vegas, in.
Speaker 2: Vegas, I was outside of it.
Speaker 1: I was with you, Kara, because they had a fake line.
Speaker 1: We made a reservation. We had to make a reserve. Wait,
Speaker 1: I was with you. We went and they made a
Speaker 1: swing like there was a giant line but you could
Speaker 1: see in it and there was like all this empty
Speaker 1: tables and we're trying to and I get if you're
Speaker 1: trying to build hype if we could see it's empty inside. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And they said it was like an hour. Wait, so
Speaker 1: we're like fuck that, and we drink in the lobby.
Speaker 3: I remember, yes, I recall, Okay, thanks bringing it all
Speaker 3: back you're with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you went to it though, and how was it?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: I got hand, I got blocked out and the matcha
Speaker 1: drink was great.
Speaker 2: We had go cheese.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but those places being in Vegas, it's
Speaker 1: like being at the Olive Garden in like Times Square
Speaker 1: or something. I don't think it's like, oh, hello, l
Speaker 1: isn't this funny? And then the bill's three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars and you're like, yeah, yeah, I guess litting
Speaker 1: fine dining. But I was taking like full on shots
Speaker 1: at that point. But I just because for the concerts,
Speaker 1: I'm so well behaved that, like after j Loo finally,
Speaker 1: I okay, wait, what.
Speaker 2: Are the notes for j Low? Honey?
Speaker 3: Wait, no, be sure that you're never gonna host SNL
Speaker 3: because some people that talk about Jalo on podcasts do
Speaker 3: get in trouble.
Speaker 1: Hey, this is such a long episode. Let's let's save
Speaker 1: Jlo for the post mortem. Well, okay, everyone the whole
Speaker 1: thing Jlo talking the bost mortem. I will say one
Speaker 1: more thing.
Speaker 3: I have been diagnosed with planter fascis no and it's
Speaker 3: fucking terrible, and I but can people that listen, It's curable, right,
Speaker 3: like I went to a pediatrist.
Speaker 2: I'm doing all this stuff. It's getting better.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to make sure, girl, I have I
Speaker 1: have doctor Tom's insults.
Speaker 2: I war insults in my boots in Vegas.
Speaker 3: I'm wearing insults. It's terrible. But I just want people
Speaker 3: to tell me stories of them curing it, because I
Speaker 3: just this can be my whole life. This man's making
Speaker 3: me wear birkenstocks around the house. I can't wear me
Speaker 3: barefoot ever. I have to wear my birken stocks all
Speaker 3: the time because they're they're.
Speaker 1: Oh, but you should get the sandal ones that I have,
Speaker 1: like they you know, the rubbery brad stock ones, the
Speaker 1: pool work and stock.
Speaker 2: See if you could wear those in the house.
Speaker 3: Cannot, okay, because there the whole thing about them is
Speaker 3: he said, it has to keep my like it keeps
Speaker 3: your foot like stationary cast.
Speaker 1: So ask ask him if you can do like the
Speaker 1: indoor shoe one like the rubbers, if those work or not,
Speaker 1: because those are more like house friends, I wear them
Speaker 1: in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. We have so much to catch
Speaker 2: up on. Visa v Drag Race, uh, Beverly Hills Housewives,
Speaker 2: all kinds of things, that are happening, but we should
Speaker 2: get started because it is a long app right, So
Speaker 2: next week we'll we'll catch up on all that crap.
Speaker 2: Until then, that's messed up.
Speaker 3: Live dot Com has those uh Lois Luise shirts.
Speaker 1: We're gonna work on some new merch for this year.
Speaker 1: People were Tommy's people like the Tommy Jersey, the Tommy
Speaker 1: they told me, they told you in person.
Speaker 2: We gotta go.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get some Tommy merch. And I'm on the road, motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Please yes, scroll down, it's a Live dot com and
Speaker 3: Liza's website.
Speaker 1: You get Kansas City, I'm going to at New York City,
Speaker 1: I'm out and about Boston, other Sacramento. I'm out here, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm out here. Yeah, get on it, get on it.
Speaker 2: But let's get started because this is this is an
Speaker 2: intense up.
Speaker 1: Okay. Rorshack is what we're doing today, which makes me
Speaker 1: think of Tricksy because she always talks about the not
Speaker 1: the Walking Dead. What's the show the Watchman?
Speaker 2: Yes, Watchman, she loves Watchmen. But yeah, it's the test.
Speaker 1: I actually now thinking about what the Rorshack test is
Speaker 1: in the episode.
Speaker 2: I really don't see a full time I don't act
Speaker 2: what is the connect? Is there more?
Speaker 3: I feel like the only thing that maybe is like dentations. No,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like, well, the rorshack test is
Speaker 3: like everybody sees something differently, and so like if you're
Speaker 3: looking at somebody's life through social media, like what you
Speaker 3: be seeing, but like that seems not you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like it's different to me than like the
Speaker 3: way people portray themselves on social media, different than the reality.
Speaker 3: That's different than a roorshak, which is like you see something,
Speaker 3: I see something.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure our.
Speaker 3: Listeners will let us know what the actual connect is
Speaker 3: because I'm not seeing it per se.
Speaker 1: Okay, but neither here nor there. Season twenty six, episode six,
Speaker 1: November seventh, twenty twenty four. It's Ellie and that's a
Speaker 1: woman and she's talking to her channel into a little
Speaker 1: mic and she's leaving for a cross country road trip
Speaker 1: and the car has wood paneling on the sides and
Speaker 1: I really like that, and you know, and then she goes, ooh,
Speaker 1: and I'm here with my sexy cameraman and his name
Speaker 1: is Chris.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He comes to wave waves to the camera, says hi,
Speaker 1: and holy shit, did SV you clear Espresso, Like yeah, Mick, no,
Speaker 1: or maybe they're friends with her.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say maybe she gave it to them
Speaker 3: for lower because she's been on SVU, maybe because I
Speaker 3: was kind of like, I cannot believe they got espresso. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they've had like most of the time the music is
Speaker 3: like fully just like stock or whatever. But then they
Speaker 3: have had a couple of like known songs at the beginning,
Speaker 3: like there was that one episode that starts we.
Speaker 2: Make the Good Girls Go Bad whatever, Like.
Speaker 3: They do have some that are famous, but like it's
Speaker 3: in later seasons and I'm always like, this is definitely
Speaker 3: the biggest song I think they've ever opened an episode with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Espresso's in the cannon of best pop songs I
Speaker 1: think ever and was just so massive at the time. Also, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I heard it recently and I was like, I
Speaker 1: love it. Oh, probably watching this episode when you heard it. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: but the girl is that the Measles episode? It sounds
Speaker 1: like when teens are doing something, Yeah, it might be.
Speaker 1: It might be might be the Missy pilot. So the
Speaker 1: different ring blowjob rings or the bracelet parties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one of those, one of those.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they have espresso and they're starting in Echo Park,
Speaker 1: so they're la and it's a montage. They're in Georgia,
Speaker 1: nature mountains, waterfalls, logs, tense yoga, kisses, hand holding, running
Speaker 1: bodies of water.
Speaker 2: Forest.
Speaker 1: So now another woman's in the woods as well, and
Speaker 1: she's walking an espresso is actually playing in her earphones
Speaker 1: and she takes them out of her ear So I
Speaker 1: really like that kind of fun. I like that. But
Speaker 1: she pauses when she sees a bloody rock and then
Speaker 1: we see the wood panel car. A body is down,
Speaker 1: a girl is bleeding, and then there's a man injured
Speaker 1: about thirty feet away and he's calling for Ellie and
Speaker 1: he has a knife in his chest. Cut to Benson
Speaker 1: in the elevator and it opens and it's a man.
Speaker 1: She calls him Clark Kent, but it's an FBI guy.
Speaker 1: He is hot, and he was in Dexter as Batista's
Speaker 1: sister's boyfriend who was like an intern and like a
Speaker 1: crime guy, and he was buying crime things off the
Speaker 1: internet and stealing stuff from Matsuka and then he ended
Speaker 1: up getting murdered by one of the mobs. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: really not remembering his part. But this guy's name is
Speaker 1: Josh Cook, this actor. I've seen him in other Well no,
Speaker 1: because Dexter beats the shit out of him because he
Speaker 1: plays little pranks with Dexter. And he bought like the
Speaker 1: Bay Harbor, like he didn't know who he was dealing
Speaker 1: with but thought wanted to fuck with it.
Speaker 2: He's like a tech guy.
Speaker 1: Whatever. Oh whatever, Yeah, I'm humiliated. All right. So all right,
Speaker 1: we're in the FBI, YadA YadA. So it's okay, it's
Speaker 1: seven thirty am, and she's like, oh god, it's early,
Speaker 1: but they need Benson's help. This woman was half naked
Speaker 1: Ellie Ali Hughes and Chris Becker Echo Park, So what's
Speaker 1: up in Rockland County? And it's a two month road
Speaker 1: trip and they think she was raped, but they can't
Speaker 1: really do a rape kit even though it's been forty
Speaker 1: eight hours because she's had a massive head trauma. She's unconscious,
Speaker 1: and they don't do rape kits if like there's no consent.
Speaker 1: So that's what's going on there, and Rockland County is
Speaker 1: only going to go for the attempted murder charge, but
Speaker 1: Benson goes, but why are the FEDS attacked? And basically
Speaker 1: it's because the crime happened off the Appalachian Trail that
Speaker 1: spans fourteen states.
Speaker 2: So the FEDS handle all crimes on the Appalachian Trail.
Speaker 2: Interesting any federal land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I've never done any of these trails, but
Speaker 1: you know they're into it. So Benson points at all
Speaker 1: these folders on her desk and goes, FBI, guy, I'm busy,
Speaker 1: look at all these folders. He goes, No, I know
Speaker 1: it's a huge favor, but our field office here in
Speaker 1: New York they're trash, like, we need you. I like that.
Speaker 1: The FBI is so bad they need Benson. Please help us, please,
Speaker 1: it might never get solved. And of course Benson's looking
Speaker 1: at the photo. Oh there's a two in this woman's mouth.
Speaker 1: She's in a coma. Yeah, Benson's in where do we start?
Speaker 1: So it's credits time, and now it's corkboard time, and
Speaker 1: Benson says she spoke with the commissioner, and Finn asks
Speaker 1: what he said, and she says, to play nice.
Speaker 2: Okay. So it's two victims.
Speaker 1: Elie Hughes found in only a towel, huge gash in
Speaker 1: her forehead, stabbed, and then the guy he was stabbed
Speaker 1: with his own pocket knife. Twice, and he's been out
Speaker 1: of surgery as well. He has not been questioned, but
Speaker 1: you know, he feels lucky to be alive. And there
Speaker 1: are a few floors away from each other. They don't
Speaker 1: think it's a robbery because phones and wallets were left behind.
Speaker 1: And then she sends everyone off to do their jobs
Speaker 1: and Benson goes to Langone Hospital NYU and I am
Speaker 1: part of the Langune family, but I.
Speaker 2: Don't go to this office.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, this address, but that's where I just love
Speaker 1: being in a giant medical group. There's because I loved
Speaker 1: going to Cedar Sinai in La like I want.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, I would say the pros or.
Speaker 3: I love that all your doctors have every thing in
Speaker 3: front of them, like you don't have to go, okay,
Speaker 3: here's my history, like they share everything.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: The con is that if I want to talk to
Speaker 3: my daughter, my doctor, even to just ask call back,
Speaker 3: it's twenty five minutes. I'm going through a receptionist, who
Speaker 3: then calls their receptionist, who then sees if they can get.
Speaker 2: Their receptionists on the phone.
Speaker 3: If they can't, they get back on the phone with
Speaker 3: me and go We're still trying it's that's a little
Speaker 3: bit annoying of having the huge because I'm at USC
Speaker 3: now with a bunch of the edit's like come on.
Speaker 2: But in general I like it. You've moved over to USC.
Speaker 2: I still am at Theedars for certain things. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: over there, forderm. I'm over there. Hey.
Speaker 1: The other bad thing about theaters, specifically not the NYU
Speaker 1: and not the New York place is the parking garages.
Speaker 1: And it is fucked and we live in a really
Speaker 1: fucked up world, but not Yeah, paying for parking to
Speaker 1: go to a hospital in a garage is like weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. Yeah you have I
Speaker 3: have to pay every time I go to my doctor. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And there's all these garages all over. Yeah, Cedars is
Speaker 1: actually more stressful. I like this kind of but I
Speaker 1: like being in the groups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I agree.
Speaker 1: There's such professionalism and it's just my childhood PTSD from
Speaker 1: going to like I don't know, backdoor Russian doctors that
Speaker 1: took our HML, Like I mean, we would sit in
Speaker 1: the waiting room for hours, hours and everyone is just
Speaker 1: old and it really like when I first went to
Speaker 1: my first like doctors as my own adult. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what what are we eve been up to? These Russians
Speaker 1: are wild? Wait, you'll love this.
Speaker 3: I went to I remember how I gave I told
Speaker 3: you my dermatologist and then you could never get in
Speaker 3: with her, and so you got this other guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I had to go to my dermatologist just to
Speaker 3: get a quick shot, and he was available and she wasn't.
Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah, I'll go to him. They
Speaker 3: put me in a room for so long that the
Speaker 3: lights went out. The lights turned off in the room
Speaker 3: because they're motion centered lights, and I was just scrolling
Speaker 3: on my phone and the shot took approximately thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: But I don't I think they knew what everybody needed
Speaker 3: or whatever. So he was very apologies because I went
Speaker 3: out into the hallway when the lights went out, and I.
Speaker 2: Went, did you let him know that we met each other?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I try not to violate hippa.
Speaker 1: But I was like, do you remember what woman who
Speaker 1: they thought had shingles but it wasn't shingles at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: But I was like, I just went out too the hallway.
Speaker 3: I was like, guys, the lights went out, you've left
Speaker 3: me in here for so long, I'd become a piece
Speaker 3: of furniture, like you have to come, let me like,
Speaker 3: and they were like, so sorry, and then he and
Speaker 3: then he wouldn't stop apologizing. He was apologizing too much.
Speaker 3: And I was like, it's fine, I get it, I
Speaker 3: get it. It's busy, it's the holidays. Two doctors called out,
Speaker 3: I understand, it's busy. Just shoot me up, you know, like,
Speaker 3: let's go. And then he just kept being like and
Speaker 3: thank you again, I'm so sorry. I was like, sir, enough,
Speaker 3: but it was just funny.
Speaker 1: I bet he's like, I bet everyone at the synagogue's
Speaker 1: trying to set their daughters up with him. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a dermatologist, Come on, all right, I mean they're booked
Speaker 1: up a year in advance. Like there, it's fucked up.
Speaker 1: I mean, the amount of time we talk about dermatologists
Speaker 1: appointments on this podcast. She sends, Okay, everyone's doing their jobs. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Benson goes to the hospital. That's that's where this
Speaker 1: all fell apart. Okay, So we're back at the hospital.
Speaker 1: Ellie's unresponsive. The doc says it's one of the worst
Speaker 1: head injuries she's ever seen in a long time life
Speaker 1: support mom flew in from California two days ago and
Speaker 1: only just now went to get some rest after the
Speaker 1: doctor was like, you need to go. And so then
Speaker 1: they go to the boyfriend and he missed, like the
Speaker 1: stab missed his heart by a quarter of an inch,
Speaker 1: which is small.
Speaker 2: So he's on pain meds. But they go talk to him.
Speaker 1: Anyways, he says he was laying awake in his car
Speaker 1: and she went to use the camp shower and then
Speaker 1: he heard a noise, grabbed his knife. He saw a
Speaker 1: man standing over her and she was on the ground
Speaker 1: near the shower. The guy, he says, his white long
Speaker 1: hair beard.
Speaker 2: The weapon.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, yeah, the rock and he says that
Speaker 1: he went to defend her, and he goes out a
Speaker 1: lot of good that did. And so it's like, well,
Speaker 1: how did the guy get your pocket knife? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not that good of a fighter.
Speaker 1: He probably took it from me. I felt pain in
Speaker 1: my stomach and chest and then I woke up in
Speaker 1: the helicopter. And he says, this is around two or
Speaker 1: three am. Why were they you know, why she's showering
Speaker 1: so late? He says, they did have sex, and so
Speaker 1: he says that this dude, though look dirty and he
Speaker 1: was hiking for a while, and he asks about Ellie
Speaker 1: and he says that he should be there because she
Speaker 1: must be scared. And then Benson says, why don't you
Speaker 1: stay here and just stay strong for Allie? And then
Speaker 1: Benson and Glasses leave, So what are they thinking? So
Speaker 1: now we go to the Bear Mountain campsite and they're
Speaker 1: Bruno and Silva are there, And can I just tell
Speaker 1: you throughout this episode, like it is crazy how I've
Speaker 1: not learned Velasco's name in all these years. Every time
Speaker 1: I'm about to type his name in, I have to
Speaker 1: pause for six seconds and be like, Octavio, but that's
Speaker 1: not his name? What's yeah? I think it's like it's
Speaker 1: never in real life sticks out over Velasco.
Speaker 2: I think that too. I do that too. I go Octavio, what's.
Speaker 3: His real what's his name on the show? Like, what's
Speaker 3: Velasco's first name? I don't know what is it? Dominic Velasco?
Speaker 1: No? I think that's why they let him go though, No, yeah, Joe,
Speaker 1: Joe also Joe at all, He's a Joe Velasco.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, they never call him Joe.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting now that you were talking about Dominick
Speaker 1: Creasy is not in this episode. Yeah, yeah, credit only.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, I wonder if he wanted the week off.
Speaker 1: So Rockland County meets Bruno and Silva at the scene,
Speaker 1: and Silva sees something that everyone missed, you know, she
Speaker 1: sees the rock and she's like, but why would he
Speaker 1: throw it? Like a guy with a knife is running
Speaker 1: at you and you throw a rock away and not
Speaker 1: use it, Like, why wouldn't you use it against this
Speaker 1: guy with the knife? And Bruno questions her, like not
Speaker 1: knowing the timing of when things happened and Chris was
Speaker 1: found also at the other markers, Oh, there's a pool
Speaker 1: of blood, but if he walked there from over there,
Speaker 1: where's the blood trail? And then she sees some trees
Speaker 1: and there's some holes in the tree and Bruno's like,
Speaker 1: they're just trail markers maybe or an animal. She goes,
Speaker 1: are you this much of a contrarian when it's you're
Speaker 1: out here with Finn And he says, no, he does,
Speaker 1: you know, he knows that he is not. But then
Speaker 1: it hits Silva that like they are marks and they
Speaker 1: could mean something and she wants to see the knife.
Speaker 1: But then we cut to Benson and Glasses walking out
Speaker 1: of the hospital when a doctor stops them and goes.
Speaker 1: Ellie's mother is back and she wants to talk to you.
Speaker 1: And this seems like I did think this was so crazy,
Speaker 1: like to do this giant setup for just to go
Speaker 1: back to the hospital like you're shooting for, like just
Speaker 1: to be like just to walk outside a little and
Speaker 1: be like, come back in. I mean, I love the
Speaker 1: dedication to the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like so much like it could have happened,
Speaker 3: like getting into the elevator, like don't go you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious, I mean, so much effort. So now
Speaker 1: we meet the mom who's like, hey, I heard you
Speaker 1: talk to Chris. What did he say? Does he know
Speaker 1: who did this? And they fill her in on the investigation,
Speaker 1: and she really cares about him and how he's going
Speaker 1: to be doing.
Speaker 2: She says that they were soulmates.
Speaker 1: She seems very like, you know, kindergarten Jesus, I would
Speaker 1: say the mom, Yeah, yeah, kindergarten teacher, not like a
Speaker 1: child's like she you know, she maybe teaches the Sunday
Speaker 1: school at church and donates the money after and.
Speaker 2: By the way, this Jesus.
Speaker 3: The mom is played by Jamil Williamson, who I recognize
Speaker 3: as Tom's ex wife from Parks and rec But she's
Speaker 3: in tons of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well for me, it's the good place in this
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, she has sweaters in this in this episode. Yes,
Speaker 1: you'll see a variety of sweaters here. But she's a
Speaker 1: hopeful woman. And she says that her daughter was an
Speaker 1: introvert and that Chris helped her find her voice and
Speaker 1: that maybe he can help her again. And she of
Speaker 1: course believes that, you know, her daughter is alive and
Speaker 1: squeezing her hand and communicating, but like the doctors want
Speaker 1: to take her off life support immediately. So Benson goes,
Speaker 1: why don't you show me the hand squeezing. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. Benson asks to try. It's not happening.
Speaker 1: So Benson goes, how about we let her rest and
Speaker 1: don't worry, like we're gonna find out who did this.
Speaker 1: And Benson now goes to talk to the doctor and
Speaker 1: he goes, listen, seventy two hours no brain activity. He's like,
Speaker 1: there's no movement, speech, breathing, nothing on her own, and
Speaker 1: I don't believe in the hand squeezing. He goes, this
Speaker 1: isn't the first time I've seen a parent think their
Speaker 1: brain dead child is sending them signs. It's just a reflex,
Speaker 1: cold blooded, like he thinks that when people hang on,
Speaker 1: it's usually best for them and not for the patient.
Speaker 1: She asks about the rape kit. He goes, listen, she
Speaker 1: was on my table for nine hours. It wasn't top
Speaker 1: of my priority list. But Ellie's mom has consented to it,
Speaker 1: and we will do it right away. So now we're
Speaker 1: at the lab and we're looking at the rock. It's
Speaker 1: pink granite. Okay, who cares? But Silva goes, I don't
Speaker 1: care about this rock. Oh. She's like me, yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't care about the rock. What's up with the knife?
Speaker 1: And it's just a photo of the knife? And she goes,
Speaker 1: what are we talking? Why would you bring me here
Speaker 1: to look at the photo of the knife, And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: the labs were inconclusive, like the Prince, so he sent
Speaker 1: them to Quantico. She's fucking pissed. She needs that knife.
Speaker 1: Bruno's being annoying as fuck, Like usually I'm obsessed with him,
Speaker 1: so annoyed. This episode, he's arguing with her and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: we have something, we know something is missing, like the fuck,
Speaker 1: and so it is back to teamwork time. They've looked
Speaker 1: into the negative comments and followers. That are strange, but
Speaker 1: they only had eighteen hundred followers. That's something to think about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not far off from the r case. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: really yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh but the case seemed such big news.
Speaker 1: I assumed that they were like really huge influencers.
Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: But I know, okay, yeah, I am yeah. I kind
Speaker 1: of like put my head like an Ostrich during that.
Speaker 1: I wasn't really involved, and I'm glad you're gonna teach me.
Speaker 1: So okay, eighteen but it is only a two month
Speaker 1: trips or whatever. But I didn't I didn't really catch
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the episode that they were new
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 2: So Silva's like.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, fuck the Internet, Like, you know, people have
Speaker 1: an online persona and then a real life persona, and
Speaker 1: you can tell a lot about a person with the
Speaker 1: distance between the two.
Speaker 2: I fucking love that Silva's in siphles as fuck.
Speaker 1: I was really into the way she phrased that and
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to think about it a lot.
Speaker 2: We could have given Silva another season.
Speaker 3: I don't know why we had to get rid of
Speaker 3: her to get this guy in, but I guess the
Speaker 3: guy is the tie for Olivia to the boss and
Speaker 3: all that. But like, I don't know, the last she
Speaker 3: was similar because she had got a dad who was
Speaker 3: on the job and was pretty high up.
Speaker 2: Oh so Silva has a dad that was on the job. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I'm like, why did I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, yeah, but yeah, and I love that and
Speaker 1: it made me think like, oh, yeah, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the distance between the two suspicious. So there's a college
Speaker 1: roommate who commented and DM so they're gonna go talk
Speaker 1: to her. Benson gets a ping, the DNA is back,
Speaker 1: the semen is Chris is and you know, he did
Speaker 1: say they had sex, but there was a nurse who
Speaker 1: said there was saliva in her hair and that saliva
Speaker 1: did not match the victims. So fucking someone spit on Ellie.
Speaker 1: So and this makes Silva very upset, and Finn is like, well,
Speaker 1: it could be the perp, and you know, let's figure
Speaker 1: let's figure stuff out. So Finn and Silver are with
Speaker 1: this college roomy, and she talked to Ellie that day
Speaker 1: and her and Chris were bickering, and she thinks Ellie
Speaker 1: just needed to like vent And they got pulled over
Speaker 1: the day before and almost got a ticket, and Finn says,
Speaker 1: why would people argue about a ticket they almost got
Speaker 1: And She's like, well, you know, they've been stuck in
Speaker 1: a cart together for a few months. And so she
Speaker 1: texted her friend from college a little later though, from
Speaker 1: a bar, and she was all alone, and it was
Speaker 1: about midnight, and it's not a usual thing for her
Speaker 1: to go drinking alone. She sounded drunk, and but the
Speaker 1: bar was near the campsite, and the bartender was a
Speaker 1: redheaded guy who loaded her up with free I don't
Speaker 1: really use the term loaded up, do you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get loaded. I don't do that loaded.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But since you told me your mom says blotto, I
Speaker 1: have heard blotto more often and I wonder if I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have caught that My.
Speaker 3: Mom loves blotto and polluted both polluted. That has guys
Speaker 3: just polluted last night? Or what I say it wasted blackout?
Speaker 3: I really went after it. Yeah, wasted, bombed, I say bombed.
Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh my god, he was bombed.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't say that. Yeah, So we're going to
Speaker 1: the bat. We're going to the bar Bear Mountain Brewery
Speaker 1: and great name. He is going outside to smoke. So
Speaker 1: Finn and Velasko go to talk to him, and he says,
Speaker 1: who the hell are you and they explain that they're
Speaker 1: there to talk about Ellie and he's like, oh, that
Speaker 1: chick that got attacked horrible. So he does admit that
Speaker 1: he served her, but he denies the spit and then
Speaker 1: he's definitely like, I didn't rape nobody.
Speaker 2: He got an alibi, not a good one.
Speaker 1: He went home after a shift, but his baby mama
Speaker 1: will confirm that, And so they ask how she would
Speaker 1: feel knowing that he was like loading up a young
Speaker 1: girl with free drinks, and he goes, look, so I
Speaker 1: hit on her. I gave her some whiskey, sodas, some
Speaker 1: free all night and then nothing.
Speaker 2: She was just being a tease.
Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, how about we swab your mouth
Speaker 1: and that'll that'll take care of this easily, and he
Speaker 1: gets antsy, jittery, and he's like, okay, fine, I was
Speaker 1: pissed and I you know, I drank you know, I
Speaker 1: let her drink all night and she left. I do
Speaker 1: wonder if she tipped, though, I bet she tipped, right,
Speaker 1: you don't think she tips.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're like, they're like, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's if it's like the real story. They're like
Speaker 3: scrimping and saving on the on the thing, you know,
Speaker 3: and there's there's.
Speaker 2: A bit of a connection to the real story too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I gotta get okay, all right, let's
Speaker 1: get I got it, look okay. So so Octavio's pissed
Speaker 1: about it though, and he goes, you spit on her,
Speaker 1: and he puts out his cigarette with it, and he
Speaker 1: goes yeah, and then womp womp, blue and red lights
Speaker 1: pop off, and he goes, what the fuck? And they
Speaker 1: go New York spitting is considered a sault. You're under arrest, dummy,
Speaker 1: and that's a fin. Finn says that, and he's like,
Speaker 1: come on, just a little spit. But he's he's handcuffed
Speaker 1: and he's out of there. So now Sylvan and Benson
Speaker 1: are with the boyfriend in the hospital, telling him about
Speaker 1: the spit and how they talk to Kaylee, the college roommate,
Speaker 1: and He gets nervous because you know, he never mentioned
Speaker 1: she went to the bar, and you see him thinking,
Speaker 1: and to me, it's obvious that he's lying. But he
Speaker 1: says that she said she was gonna do laundry, and
Speaker 1: Benson goes, sure, but why wouldn't you tell us that?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't know, but like and so whatever,
Speaker 1: he's being annoying, and she goes, well, any idea why
Speaker 1: she should go drinking alone?
Speaker 2: He has no idea.
Speaker 1: And this guy is an incredible actor, and he's like,
Speaker 1: do you think someone followed her home from the bar?
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us Chris. Benson says that, why
Speaker 1: don't you tell us Chris? And so he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: that does explain something. That dude smelled like booze who
Speaker 1: stabbed me? And Chris's mom walks in right at that moment,
Speaker 1: and she's not as calm as soft as Ellie's mom.
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 1: She has hoop earrings, which indicates trash, and a messy bun,
Speaker 1: which indicates working class.
Speaker 2: So right, yeah, for the show, and I wear hoops
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: But like me talking about the symbolism of the show,
Speaker 1: like this is like a working class mother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's she's giving to me dragon'sa matteo and pop,
Speaker 3: you're not talking to my son, let's go you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah and so and she's like, I
Speaker 1: want you guys out of here. It's nine PM and
Speaker 1: my son was almost murdered. And she's like, you're not
Speaker 1: even Rockland County. Where the fuck are you coming from?
Speaker 1: And it's like, how do you know who? Like what
Speaker 1: districts they're from? But they explain SVU and she goes,
Speaker 1: what's that? And it's like, I wonder if this show
Speaker 1: is in the universe. Like it's like, you don't know
Speaker 1: what SVU means, you know what I mean? Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I wonder if these people have a show like a like,
Speaker 1: is dick Wolf in the in the dick Wolf universe?
Speaker 2: That's my question. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Like the only time they've like been on a set
Speaker 1: of a show was the one episode we did Obscene.
Speaker 3: You know, and then there's the episode we haven't done
Speaker 3: yet where there there's like a Bachelor type show, but
Speaker 3: it's not even the real Bachelor, you know. So I
Speaker 3: think that media and television always a little bit skewed,
Speaker 3: and so there might be some show called like sex
Speaker 3: police or something, but it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like what I will? I like want
Speaker 1: to know how and I just like that. But the
Speaker 1: mom is shocked when she finds out. She goes sex crimes,
Speaker 1: Why are you involved? And they're like, Ellie was found
Speaker 1: half naked with sperm and spit on her And Chris
Speaker 1: tells her about the bar, and Benson's like, someone could
Speaker 1: have followed her, and she flips okay, and she flips
Speaker 1: out the mom and she goes, okay, my son was
Speaker 1: stabbed twice. He's also a victim. It's like no one
Speaker 1: said he's not. She's so white lives matter. I like,
Speaker 1: I can't. Chris apologizes for his mom and says they
Speaker 1: can come back tomorrow. On the way out, he answers
Speaker 1: the question from earlier that the mom interrupted about, like
Speaker 1: the alcohol in the guy's breath, and he says whiskey.
Speaker 1: Benson nods and stars Silva goes, oh, whiskey, isn't that
Speaker 1: what they were drinking? And Benson's like, well, I mean
Speaker 1: the roommates said they were fighting and got pulled over,
Speaker 1: and you know that's not online. But it seems like
Speaker 1: everything they put online is very highly curated. So let's
Speaker 1: see the distance of their online in real life personas, please,
Speaker 1: So we need to figure out get details from the
Speaker 1: traffic stop and also why she went to the bar
Speaker 1: in the first place. Silva goes off to do some
Speaker 1: tasks and then the shot ends on Benson kind of
Speaker 1: rubbing her hands together and like, how do you describe this?
Speaker 2: Like a washing hand motion? Yeah it is?
Speaker 1: Or like yeah, an evil plot, but a good plot
Speaker 1: thinking hands, I would.
Speaker 2: Say a washing hand motion, isn't that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like where your hands were kind of doing a
Speaker 3: dance and swirling around each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and now it's office time and it's all
Speaker 1: hands on deck, including the FBI guy. So Silva is
Speaker 1: a hero because she figured out like that they were
Speaker 1: pulled over the day before they attack in Georgia. This
Speaker 1: is a little hole, so you're telling me in two
Speaker 1: days on this trip, they went from Georgia to Rockland
Speaker 1: County and not stopping.
Speaker 3: A lot of that is hikeable, Like that's the Appalachian drill.
Speaker 3: Like that's what I mean when you stop and like
Speaker 3: hike and visit places, like you're just skipping North Carolina,
Speaker 3: like the Carolinas in Maryland and all like a correct yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're not even in rush, Like why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they make it instead of Georgia, make it Carolina Virginia.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you literally just make it
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania like the day before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really confused me. So there, and there's no
Speaker 1: report because there's no ticket. So Finn and Velasco go
Speaker 1: talk to those officers on a zoom call on like
Speaker 1: a big scream, and he goes, oh, what happened to
Speaker 1: that couple is a sin lol. So he says they
Speaker 1: behaved right, but he could tell something was off when
Speaker 1: he pulled them over because Ellie had a bruise on
Speaker 1: her arm and she said it she got it while
Speaker 1: hiking in kick Colorado and look, yeah, whatever, I guess
Speaker 1: they're really zooming through in between hikes like, so Velasco
Speaker 1: asks if he believed that that's how she got it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, every time I asked her a question,
Speaker 1: she looked at Chris before answering and not wanting to
Speaker 1: say something is wrong. But he goes, this isn't the
Speaker 1: first time I've seen a woman try to cover up
Speaker 1: like for her jackass boyfriend and Finn goes, don't I
Speaker 1: know it, So there's not enough to arrest him, but
Speaker 1: something was off with him, and they asked about bodycamp
Speaker 1: footage and he's like, well, I don't even have a choice,
Speaker 1: and it's like they turn it off all the time,
Speaker 1: and that's how a bunch of the evidence for Luigi's
Speaker 1: gonna get thrown out like whatever. And so now we're
Speaker 1: watching the footage and it's clear that she's in distress
Speaker 1: and shaking and nervous and looking like over like fuck,
Speaker 1: like she looks like a scared person.
Speaker 2: The bruise is so bad, it's so fresh.
Speaker 1: There's no way that Bruce would be that fresh from
Speaker 1: Colorado to Georgia. I just they really have to get
Speaker 1: a new geography person on the staff. And she's clearly
Speaker 1: lying about the bruise. She says she's fine, but she's not.
Speaker 1: And then Rockland County never said anything about the bruise,
Speaker 1: and Bruno's like, Captain, what are you thinking? She goes,
Speaker 1: I've seen that look on a woman's face before, and
Speaker 1: Silva said, so do I, and it's like obvious she
Speaker 1: is scared of Chris. There is no whiskey mountain man
Speaker 1: Benson goes like, we know what they posted online, what
Speaker 1: did they edit out? Go through the footage, So there's
Speaker 1: tons of footage Silva and Bruno's looking through all of it,
Speaker 1: and then finally in one of it, a tripod falls
Speaker 1: and Bruno's being like patronizing as fuck, and like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, He's just like, this is just one of
Speaker 1: those cases. It's gonna get under your skin. She goes,
Speaker 1: you know, this is poetic. We're about to learn a
Speaker 1: lot about her before they kick her to the curb.
Speaker 1: So she goes, it's strange to watch someone's happy moments
Speaker 1: knowing they might never forget one again. Oh dark, He says,
Speaker 1: we haven't found anything damning, and she goes, well, there's
Speaker 1: a lot more footage, and he's like seems annoyed, and
Speaker 1: it's also like you want a lawsuit. You don't even
Speaker 1: have to be working, so like, what are you doing.
Speaker 1: So finally there's a video of her doing yoga and
Speaker 1: it's in a really pretty place like mountains behind her
Speaker 1: in a trail like water, and they're arguing though and
Speaker 1: about the focus of the camera, and he screams and
Speaker 1: he rushes at her as the camera tips, so you
Speaker 1: can only see them from the waist down, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sick of this. You're such a wasted time. This
Speaker 1: is a waste of time. Are you stupid? Are you stupid?
Speaker 2: Ellie?
Speaker 1: And then he fucking punches her and you hear the
Speaker 1: punch and so that's probably how she got the bruise.
Speaker 1: So Bruno's like, okay, yeah, so then so then Bruno goes,
Speaker 1: so you really think this kid almost killed his girlfriend
Speaker 1: then stabbed himself twice? You were right, and we need
Speaker 1: to get that knife. So he could have just helped
Speaker 1: her from the beginning. But okay, Benson in the FBI,
Speaker 1: it's like so annoying. Benson and the FBI show him
Speaker 1: the video of the traffic stop, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: like Chris and the mom and she's like, they didn't
Speaker 1: even get a ticket.
Speaker 2: Who cares? And why are you showing us this?
Speaker 1: And Benson and girlns the mom and just asks Chris
Speaker 1: like how did she get this bruise? And he goes
Speaker 1: hiking and she goes, did you tell her to say that?
Speaker 2: And Ellie?
Speaker 1: And he says, Ellie has her own mind, And then
Speaker 1: they show him the video of him clearly punching her
Speaker 1: a lot of iPad time in this episode, and she says, so,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you again how did she get that bruise?
Speaker 1: And he starts to excuse his behavior and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you just also lied, so nothing. I hate everyone. He's
Speaker 1: such a good actor. I hate him and surprised so
Speaker 1: does his mom. Okay, like the mom doesn't. The mom
Speaker 1: is okay with the behavior too. He says, we've been
Speaker 1: a couple for two years, and the mom goes, every
Speaker 1: couple fights and he goes, so I lost my temper
Speaker 1: on the road. I'm sorry, and then there's tense music
Speaker 1: and then it hits him like and then he goes, wait,
Speaker 1: do you think I tried to kill her?
Speaker 2: Like truly shocked?
Speaker 1: And the mom goes yeah, and then stabbed himself twice,
Speaker 1: once in the heart. Okay, And he goes, what about
Speaker 1: the guy who's spit on her? And the FBI guy's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's an alibi, bro, So he said maybe with someone else,
Speaker 1: and then the mom yells, what have you even done
Speaker 1: anything to find this other person?
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, you dumb bitch.
Speaker 1: Benson goes, the problem with that, Chris is that person
Speaker 1: doesn't exist and that's a stone cold line. And then
Speaker 1: did you watch any of John Cena's final match? No,
Speaker 1: I can't say that I did. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that that was the thing.
Speaker 2: I thought John Cena stopped wrestling a long.
Speaker 1: Time ago, I know, but now he like officially is
Speaker 1: like out like final match type things.
Speaker 2: And how was the final match? I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's just there's a waitress that works at the Fat
Speaker 1: Black and she's obsessed. So I watched videos of her
Speaker 1: crying watching it, and like she was showing me photos
Speaker 1: of it. But and then a couple of people were
Speaker 1: explaining like that the Rock was signed on to do
Speaker 1: this huge storyline with him, and then after doing it
Speaker 1: once backed out and kind of fucked Seena's storyline, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't even what he truly wanted. Like, I guess
Speaker 1: there's been some drama. Do you pay attention to this case?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Right? Came an era, end of an era? Yeah, the Jorts.
Speaker 1: I like him. I want to meet John Cena. I
Speaker 1: worked with him. He was really cool. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I forgot about what not whiplash whiplash, wipe out, wipe out,
Speaker 1: wipe bus.
Speaker 2: That was fun and did you like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I, well, he's like way funnier than most like
Speaker 3: athletes that you like. He's he's got good comic timing,
Speaker 3: and he like loved Nicole so much, so he was
Speaker 3: just like, you know, he was like always talking to
Speaker 3: her and asking about something.
Speaker 2: But I would say, like he's kind of private.
Speaker 3: He's really private about like his wife and where he
Speaker 3: lives and like talking about personal stuff. I would say,
Speaker 3: I just like noticed that about a couple of things
Speaker 3: when people ask him stuff, like you know, But I
Speaker 3: was just listening to him and Nicole chat in my earpiece.
Speaker 2: Ah, they were cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems great. I hope he's not on the
Speaker 1: Epstein list.
Speaker 2: I doubt it. I did too, But.
Speaker 1: You never know.
Speaker 3: Rosey's obsessed with John cenacause they mention him in one
Speaker 3: of her favorite like sitcoms that she watches now, and
Speaker 3: so she's always like John Zino, like she's talking about
Speaker 3: what scom is she watching the Thunderman's Oh my god,
Speaker 3: I can't believe she's that sitcom age. Oh yeah, she
Speaker 3: loves the fucking Thundermans. And now she's talking even more
Speaker 3: like a sitcom child all the time.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. What does a sitcom child sound like?
Speaker 3: You know, well, Jared and I are kind of doing
Speaker 3: this like on stage where we'll be like now she's
Speaker 3: like she's be like, uh, Mom, don't go in there,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like just like this really
Speaker 3: canned way of kids talking.
Speaker 2: She'd be like, I told you, mom, that's just ask her.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like very like the way that like the show
Speaker 3: will freeze frame and be like created by whatever. Like
Speaker 3: that's how she talks now, not all the time, but
Speaker 3: and it's like exacerbated by this fucking the Thundermans, which
Speaker 3: is so Nickelodeon like classic.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: So okay, back to back to this, back to the tragedy,
Speaker 1: back to the tragedy. So oh yeah, this stone call,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, it's always fun to find out how
Speaker 1: your brain moved to different task. And so Chris goes, well,
Speaker 1: obviously someone saw her showering and tried to rape her.
Speaker 1: And and then she's by the way, is there more
Speaker 1: than one DNA besides the spit like his DNA is, well,
Speaker 1: that's why it's tried to Okay, got it, and then
Speaker 1: he came to save it. So that's what he said.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I went to protect her. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: to me, And it's like, well, who do you think
Speaker 1: that is? The dirty man with the beard that you
Speaker 1: later conveniently remembered as whiskey?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you plan all that? Baby? And I mean,
Speaker 2: this scene is theater. I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. But and it's like, clearly it's because Ellie
Speaker 1: had whiskey on her breath and you're fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy's slick as fuck. And the mom goes, why
Speaker 1: does it feel like we should get a lawyer? And
Speaker 1: the man goes, cause you do. And so the mom
Speaker 1: shuts it down and Chris goes, no, I did nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: I want to help, and the mom goes shut up,
Speaker 1: and Benson goes, let us know when you get a lawyer.
Speaker 1: Benson an FBI guy walk outside and he's like, so,
Speaker 1: what's the theory. She goes, he did it, that's it,
Speaker 1: and we need to get that knife back from Quantico asap.
Speaker 1: So we're back in the woods and we get the
Speaker 1: knife and you know, Silva's about to put it in
Speaker 1: those fucking tree holes and it's going to fit perfectly,
Speaker 1: and we could have just done this right in the
Speaker 1: beginning he stabbed himself. He ran into the tree. We
Speaker 1: know it. It fits perfectly like those kid toys shape,
Speaker 1: you know, shape and shape holes. So then Bruno takes
Speaker 1: the knife to like test it out since he's a
Speaker 1: similar height to Chris, and it's right on the heart
Speaker 1: and in the sternham level, and Silva goes, so should
Speaker 1: we test it if it also fits in the stomach
Speaker 1: part too, And he goes, okay, I think you've made
Speaker 1: your point. And it's like I would truly never let
Speaker 1: him live this down and he ran straight into the
Speaker 1: fucking tree, and Bruno goes, that's pretty hardcore, and Silva goes,
Speaker 1: I don't think he was planning to live. So Bruno goes,
Speaker 1: he's gonna wish he didn't live. Once Benson gets through
Speaker 1: with him, and Benson's telling Ellie's mom and she's like,
Speaker 1: no fucking way. She's son distraught. She says, why don't
Speaker 1: we ask Ellie? And Benson goes, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know about that, and so but then of course she will,
Speaker 1: so Benson and is asking, you know, holding her hand
Speaker 1: and squeezing in, go squeeze my hand if if it's Chris,
Speaker 1: you know, they zoom in on the hands and she's like,
Speaker 1: squeeze my hand.
Speaker 2: If it's Chris. Tell me if it's Chris, did Chris.
Speaker 1: Do this to you? And yes, she squeezes the hand.
Speaker 1: So the FBI and Benson walk in the hospital to
Speaker 1: you know, it's a few floors away to arrest his ass.
Speaker 1: Since she squeezed the hand, they have a warrant. They
Speaker 1: are scared that it's not enough evidence. But uh oh,
Speaker 1: even worse, where the fuck is he? He checked out
Speaker 1: a half hour ago, So why are you running? You
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. Why are you running?
Speaker 2: They pull up to.
Speaker 1: The mom's house, so she's putting groceries in her car,
Speaker 1: and it's like tons of red and blue cars Velasco's
Speaker 1: approaching her and she says, he's not here, and I
Speaker 1: have no idea where he is.
Speaker 2: How would that make sense?
Speaker 1: Your son just got shot twice, you were with him
Speaker 1: the whole time, and you have no idea where your
Speaker 1: shot son is?
Speaker 2: Like, in what world would anyone believe you? We all
Speaker 2: know you're lying. It's so silly.
Speaker 1: And then out of the grocery bag is a box
Speaker 1: of puffins cereal And I need to know more information
Speaker 1: on the props.
Speaker 2: Did they get a spot? Like, what the fuck? Puffins
Speaker 2: are a Trader Joe brand, aren't they? I used to
Speaker 2: buy them at Jewell.
Speaker 1: Maybe they became a Trader Joe thing, but I've had
Speaker 1: I've been I've been a Puffins fan for a bit.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I always thought it was a Trader Joe
Speaker 1: because I've gotten them at Sprouts too.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, yeah, the brand is actually Barbara's. Puffat's. Barbara's
Speaker 3: is the brand. So maybe they just sell them at
Speaker 3: or whatever. But yeah, the Puffins caught my eye as
Speaker 3: well as.
Speaker 2: Theah fully out of the bag.
Speaker 1: It's like, halfway up the bag, you see the full puffin,
Speaker 1: like you, it's the I just wanted to maybe like
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf invested in Barbara's.
Speaker 3: Like it just seems like so wild because you don't
Speaker 3: see a lot of name brand shit in SVU.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No. And so then they pop the gate to this truck,
Speaker 1: and of course he's in the truck hiding there. So
Speaker 1: they're going to rest the mom too. So now we're
Speaker 1: in cement room bars and she goes, I need a lawyer.
Speaker 1: I did nothing wrong. I did nothing illegal. I'm just
Speaker 1: being a mother. They're like well, you helped him escape,
Speaker 1: and she goes the FBI captain already made up their
Speaker 1: minds and that he did it, and Finn goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's actually based on the evidence, but the mom
Speaker 1: refuses to accept that.
Speaker 2: She goes, that's not Chris. I know Chris.
Speaker 1: That's not Chris, and Velaska goes, well, maybe I don't
Speaker 1: know him as well as you think, and she goes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't a good mother. Get over it. I had
Speaker 1: a lot going on. And Ben's like, okay, so you
Speaker 1: want to make up for twenty five years of bad
Speaker 1: parenting with aiding and embedding an attempted murderer and she says,
Speaker 1: I'm protecting my child what any mother would do. And
Speaker 1: she says the cops and FBI are going to be
Speaker 1: sorry because they screwed this case up. The real killer's
Speaker 1: still out there, and Finn goes, nah, babe, it's staring
Speaker 1: you all in your like it's your son, and she
Speaker 1: screams that he loves Ellie and then she screams, I'm
Speaker 1: a good mother.
Speaker 2: I am I am.
Speaker 1: Benson is watching the iPad of him punching, you know,
Speaker 1: the arm, over and over again in the iPad and
Speaker 1: so then the cemetroom bars door opens, Chris is broad in.
Speaker 1: Benson gets up and goes, like, you can sit here,
Speaker 1: and he's with a suit lawyer who says, hey, we're
Speaker 1: here to cooperate. Chris tells the lawyer like, I told
Speaker 1: them everything, and Benson goes, that's not true at all.
Speaker 1: You didn't tell us what went wrong between you and Ellie.
Speaker 1: You are really in love and no care in the world, right,
Speaker 1: So what's up? And he starts crying. He's like, we
Speaker 1: were happy, and Benson goes, then what happened? We know
Speaker 1: you hit her. We assume that wasn't the first time,
Speaker 1: and we know it wasn't the last. And Benson shows
Speaker 1: Ellie with tubes in her mouth and says, look at her,
Speaker 1: and he won't. And she says again, look at her
Speaker 1: and he will not. All that joy and life ahead
Speaker 1: of her, But now doctors want to take her off
Speaker 1: life support?
Speaker 2: And look at what you did to her?
Speaker 1: And he slowly looks at the photo and goes, I
Speaker 1: didn't do it and shakes his head, and Benson goes,
Speaker 1: do you always run away from the things you didn't do?
Speaker 1: Is that what you're going to do? Live in the
Speaker 1: bed of your mother's truck forever. And the lawyer is screaming,
Speaker 1: stop it, stop it, that's enough, and but Benson continues
Speaker 1: to scream, and finally he cracks, she's so good at
Speaker 1: her job. I didn't mean too We got him. We
Speaker 1: got into a fight, and I woke We got into a.
Speaker 2: Fight, my girl, she got him. We got into a fight.
Speaker 2: I woke up and she was gone.
Speaker 1: I laid awake for waiting for her, and then I
Speaker 1: heard the shower turn on, and I got up and
Speaker 1: I saw her undressing and she was mad when she left,
Speaker 1: and then like she smelled like booze, and then she
Speaker 1: was going to go in the shower. And Benson goes, oh,
Speaker 1: so you assume she cheated on you, right, and so
Speaker 1: you flew into a rage and he goes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: grabbed a rock and I hit her, and it's finally
Speaker 1: all out there. He says I wasn't trying to kill her,
Speaker 1: and Benson looks at him, like the dirt he is.
Speaker 1: So then Benson says, the sex that night wasn't consensual,
Speaker 1: was it?
Speaker 2: Chris?
Speaker 1: You raped Ellie to remind her who was in control.
Speaker 1: Then you stabbed yourself twice so you would look like
Speaker 1: the victim. And he goes, no, I was trying to
Speaker 1: kill myself. I didn't want to live without Ellie, and
Speaker 1: Benson goes, that's what it looks like in your posts, Chris,
Speaker 1: but there's a very big disconnect between those photos and
Speaker 1: the way you actually treated her. And he says he
Speaker 1: wants to go back, and she shows him Ellie with
Speaker 1: all the tubes. Again, you can't. It's too late for that,
Speaker 1: and then the tablet thuds on the table door slams.
Speaker 1: He has left there. Bruno and Silva are alone in
Speaker 1: the office and we're gonna learn about her again. Why
Speaker 1: did they like this is almost the end of this
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's the beginning of the season. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why would they make us like know her full backstory
Speaker 1: and then like rid of her sofa?
Speaker 3: I just well, they did with Silva, move her to
Speaker 3: another show on dick Way, so maybe it was like
Speaker 3: they wanted. I think she joined another show. I'm almost positive. Okay,
Speaker 3: this actress whose name is Juliana Aiden Martinez, I think
Speaker 3: she moved on to like FBI or something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, they're having like a moment Benson's gone
Speaker 1: off to the hospital and Bruno goes, you know what
Speaker 1: I haven't figured out about you. Why you switch from
Speaker 1: homicide to sex crimes. You might be you must be
Speaker 1: a masochist or something. And it's like, you work in
Speaker 1: sex crimes? Are you a masochist? I don't, I just
Speaker 1: she says, Okay, I was having a sleepover at my
Speaker 1: best friend's fifth floor walk up in Washington Heights, and
Speaker 1: this is when she was a kid, and she goes,
Speaker 1: I went to pee and I heard a noise and
Speaker 1: I looked outside and a woman was being attacked by
Speaker 1: some guy in the street. And I saw an old
Speaker 1: lady in the window watching, and I assumed she would
Speaker 1: call the cops, but she didn't.
Speaker 2: She just watched.
Speaker 1: No one did. And then she scoffs and goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she went on with her life because the next
Speaker 1: day she gets up and turns the corner to head home,
Speaker 1: and the whole place was a crime scene. And she
Speaker 1: later found out the woman was raped and murdered and
Speaker 1: that was that. And so he goes, oh, okay, you
Speaker 1: got the pendance on the murder, and you want some
Speaker 1: penance for the rape, And she says something like that
Speaker 1: to Bruno. He sits down at his desk across from
Speaker 1: her and they start clickity clacking on their laptops. And
Speaker 1: then back at the hospital, Benson talks to Ellie and
Speaker 1: thanks her for being so incredibly strong and for helping
Speaker 1: us find the truth. But what I really wanted you
Speaker 1: to know is that we got him and he's going
Speaker 1: away for a long time and he will never hurt
Speaker 1: anyone again because of you. And she is so sad
Speaker 1: and she you know. She holds Ellie's hand and Benson says,
Speaker 1: I just hope you know that. And it's a slow
Speaker 1: zoom out and that's Dickwolf Baby.
Speaker 3: Obviously, this episode came out when twenty twenty four, So
Speaker 3: this is based on the story of Gabby Petito, which
Speaker 3: was a international I would say, headline making crime.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go through that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I it's like, it's interesting the stuff that
Speaker 3: happens while this podcast has existed, Like I'm always like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm following, but then I'm like, I know, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to research it heavily one day. So I knew
Speaker 3: the general about this, but I didn't know a lot
Speaker 3: of the details. So I was actually happy to research
Speaker 3: it for today. So but yeah, this this is the
Speaker 3: story of Gabby Patito. And she grew up on Long Island,
Speaker 3: where she graduated high school in twenty seventeen, and she
Speaker 3: seemed like a happy kid, an amazing artist like drawing
Speaker 3: and really great artists, and high school is where she
Speaker 3: met Brian Christopher Laundry, though they did not start dating
Speaker 3: until years after graduation in twenty nineteen, when she was
Speaker 3: like around twenty. When they got together, she quickly moved
Speaker 3: down to Florida to be with him because I guess
Speaker 3: that's where his parents had moved.
Speaker 2: And for a while it was great in Florida.
Speaker 3: You know, all her social posts show that she's like
Speaker 3: having a good time and like they're going to the
Speaker 3: beach and stuff, and there's pictures of her with Brian's
Speaker 3: mom and stuff. But then apparently the mom got more
Speaker 3: comfortable with her being around and started being a little
Speaker 3: bit meaner to Gabby, and apparently it was a little
Speaker 3: bit jealous of how much time Gabby and Brian spent together,
Speaker 3: and the vibes in the house got awkward. According to
Speaker 3: some of her friends, like very hashtag boy mom. This
Speaker 3: woman you'll find out more. According to Gabby's mom in
Speaker 3: the documentary on Netflix called American Murder Gabby Patito, which
Speaker 3: is one of my sources that I would recommend everybody
Speaker 3: watch if they were want to get a visual on
Speaker 3: you know this how this whole case went down. They
Speaker 3: thought at one point, Gabby's forwarding a dress got forwarded
Speaker 3: back from the USPS, like from the US Postal Service.
Speaker 3: It got forwarded back to her parents in Long Island,
Speaker 3: and the mom calls up Gabby and she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: are you moving back home?
Speaker 2: Did you forward your dress?
Speaker 3: And she's like, I didn't do that, and like but
Speaker 3: she knew it was like her like not mother in law,
Speaker 3: but her boyfriend's mom like forwarded her shit back up
Speaker 3: to like I think trying to get her out of there.
Speaker 3: So it felt like her mom wanted her out of
Speaker 3: the house. She Gabby made a really good friend through
Speaker 3: Bumble friends, Rose Davis. They became really good friends in
Speaker 3: Florida and Rose was like, I had no friends I
Speaker 3: met Gabby.
Speaker 2: We were just like instant click. We got close really quickly.
Speaker 3: We would like hang around, make tiktoks, like Rose would
Speaker 3: drive delivery for Dominoes and Gabby would just drive around
Speaker 3: in her car with her, and there's like videos of
Speaker 3: them like having fun and just like you know know,
Speaker 3: fucking around being like two cute girls, like just being buddies.
Speaker 3: And uh, Rose was like said, what a bunch of
Speaker 3: people said about Brian was that he's like a nice guy,
Speaker 3: like polite, nice, but something felt a little bit off
Speaker 3: and she felt Rose felt like she felt he had
Speaker 3: a dark side, and then he seemed manipulative, like he
Speaker 3: would treat her really badly and then he would be like,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry and start crying, and then he'd do
Speaker 3: something really nice for her, and she'd completely forget.
Speaker 2: Like one time she was supposed to meet Rose to
Speaker 2: go somewhere.
Speaker 3: I think they were going to a concert or something,
Speaker 3: and they had to drive a little bit far away
Speaker 3: and she's like, oh my god, I got to your
Speaker 3: house and I realized that in in my ID, so
Speaker 3: I went home to get it, and it turned out
Speaker 3: he had taken her wallet. He had taken her wallet
Speaker 3: because he didn't want her to go out. So these
Speaker 3: fucking like little controlling things that people are like, oh what,
Speaker 3: you know, harmless, It's like they all add up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So Gabby and Brian both worked at Publics just shout
Speaker 3: out to a great grocery store in the South Publics.
Speaker 3: They both quit their jobs when COVID hit in early
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and then in July of twenty twenty, they
Speaker 3: got engaged. They went camping, he got down on one
Speaker 3: knee to propose, and then, according to what he told
Speaker 3: a friend, was like, even though he didn't have a ring,
Speaker 3: at the moment that he was proposing to her, a firefly.
Speaker 2: Landed on her ring finger.
Speaker 3: So they were always like nature wants us to be together, right,
Speaker 3: So at first she like didn't tell people, like her mom,
Speaker 3: like I think saw one of his family members or
Speaker 3: somebody like posted on Facebook and was like, are you
Speaker 3: guys engaged? Like called her daughter to be like are
Speaker 3: you guys engaged? And she's like, oh, yeah, we just
Speaker 3: got engaged on this camping trip or whatever. And so
Speaker 3: at this point, if they're getting engaged in twenty twenty, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's like twenty one, and she's just like not telling
Speaker 3: everybody immediately, which I think people are catching as another
Speaker 3: red flag. And here's a weird thing the documentary. And
Speaker 3: I don't know how you feel about this, because I've
Speaker 3: watched a lot of documentaries with the'll just get a
Speaker 3: voiceover person to read the person's voice as they're reading
Speaker 3: out text messages or journal entries or something like that.
Speaker 3: In this one, they're using voice recognition technology to make
Speaker 3: it sound like Gabby because there is so much Gabby.
Speaker 3: There's so much of her, like just through social media
Speaker 3: making like, you know, posts that there's enough of her
Speaker 3: voice that they did that. So this doc has her
Speaker 3: like reading out journal entries and it's just kind of weird.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't like where we're going with
Speaker 3: this now, Yeah, we don't need it. It doesn't make
Speaker 3: it since it's disgusting, honestly, Yeah, like it could just
Speaker 3: be somebody reading it. And it's like it's just a
Speaker 3: little eerie because you hear so much of her speaking
Speaker 3: in real life in the video in the in the dock,
Speaker 3: because there's so much video of her, But then to
Speaker 3: have the journal entries be read like she participated in
Speaker 3: the dock is weird, you know, because she didn't.
Speaker 2: Participate in the dock.
Speaker 3: So anyway, December of twenty twenty, they bought a van.
Speaker 3: They converted it into a camper. It's like a Ford
Speaker 3: transit is the kind of van it is. It's like
Speaker 3: a smaller van, like bigger than a mini van obviously,
Speaker 3: but not like a sprinter. And it's and they converted
Speaker 3: into a camper and their hope is to like travel
Speaker 3: cross country and start a van life blog, which you know,
Speaker 3: van life is like people that convert these vans, they
Speaker 3: travel around. It's like kind of I've never seen a
Speaker 3: life look more like, Hell, you have to be so tidy,
Speaker 3: so minimal, so like this has to go here and
Speaker 3: here and here because you're just in there. You're got
Speaker 3: to un the septic tanks, the parking, I mean, the protection,
Speaker 3: the peeing, the shah, I mean, I can't imagine a
Speaker 3: worse fate for myself.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely not for me.
Speaker 3: It feels like it's almost like trying to one up
Speaker 3: the tiny home life. Like all these people were doing
Speaker 3: tiny homes and then people are like, how about we
Speaker 3: put that home on wheels and we like move around,
Speaker 3: So like they're trying to do this van life stuff.
Speaker 3: Really that's Gabby's goal, right, she wants to do that stuff.
Speaker 3: She fucking hustles to make money for this adventure. She
Speaker 3: starts working at Taco Bell for fifty hours a week
Speaker 3: and she's having a good time. She's like, yep, I
Speaker 3: have to tell everybody to have a spicy day or whatever,
Speaker 3: and I fucking love it. Like she's having a nice time,
Speaker 3: just like making friends at work, and she's just like
Speaker 3: a nice kid, Like she just seems like she gets
Speaker 3: along with people. She's easy going, and she's working long
Speaker 3: ass hours to try to make money for them to
Speaker 3: go on this adventure.
Speaker 2: And she's the one that buys the van. And meanwhile Brian.
Speaker 3: Is possessive and he's texting her shit like I fucking
Speaker 3: hate that you ever worked at Taco Bell with all
Speaker 3: those low lives and now you've become one of them.
Speaker 3: Shit like that, And the text between them show a
Speaker 3: lot of emotional manipulation, like he'll be like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I said that. I'm crying so hard right now,
Speaker 3: I'm in the I'm so afraid you're gonna leave me,
Speaker 3: And then it's just her like taking it all on
Speaker 3: that she's made him cry, and like all her texts
Speaker 3: back are like.
Speaker 2: No, babe, I'm not going to leave.
Speaker 3: I love you so much, it's fine, Like you're okay.
Speaker 3: I wanted you to have a happy day, like it's
Speaker 3: such emotional manipulation like that. He just cries and is like,
Speaker 3: it's kind of your fault or whatever. And then she
Speaker 3: did she does, like in the text, also stand up
Speaker 3: for herself and is like, I don't like it when
Speaker 3: you talk badly to me.
Speaker 2: I don't like it when you call me names.
Speaker 3: And it got to a point where her friend says,
Speaker 3: in the dock, she started to see like what was
Speaker 3: going on? What was going on, and he could tell
Speaker 3: she could tell, and so he started to isolate her, right,
Speaker 3: So so suddenly he's on board with this trip. Suddenly
Speaker 3: he's like, let's go. They leave June of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: like literally, I think that they got into some kind
Speaker 3: of fight, like right before that, and in June, like
Speaker 3: the next month, the friend goes, she's gone. The next month,
Speaker 3: they leave Florida, they go up to New York to
Speaker 3: see I think her brother was graduating high school or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 2: They want to go do that.
Speaker 3: Then July second, twenty twenty one, they set off from
Speaker 3: New York on their four month van life road trip. Okay,
Speaker 3: so obviously the show flips it so that they're coming
Speaker 3: west to East because they have to end up in
Speaker 3: SVU territory, right, So she documented a lot of what
Speaker 3: they were doing on Instagram, and she was shooting a
Speaker 3: lot of footage to try to do YouTube, and then
Speaker 3: you kind of see her like learning how to vlog.
Speaker 3: There's like so much footage where she's like, oh wait,
Speaker 3: does that shot look bad? And she's like redoing it,
Speaker 3: and you could just tell she's like really dedicated to it.
Speaker 3: She's not necessarily like I'm not trying to insult a
Speaker 3: victim or anything, but like she's not necessarily like amazing
Speaker 3: at like talking to the camera right away. And she
Speaker 3: even says she goes, God, it's so awkward like talking
Speaker 3: to the camera, you know, and I wouldn't even say
Speaker 3: that's like something I'm great at, you know, like just
Speaker 3: talking to yourself on the camera, and because sometimes he's there,
Speaker 3: but sometimes he's not. You know, Like she does a
Speaker 3: lot of it on her own, and she's very dedicated
Speaker 3: to making this vlog thing like her career. Like she
Speaker 3: has a drone she's working on practicing getting these gorgeous
Speaker 3: drone shots of their camping, like they're going to super
Speaker 3: super gorgeous places, so that she can get the scenery
Speaker 3: and like do like the way that in the episode
Speaker 3: she's doing yoga in a beautiful place, like that's what
Speaker 3: That's what Gabby's doing. So and her Instagram bio read
Speaker 3: and still reads traveling the world in our tiny van,
Speaker 3: and then it also says art, yoga and veggies, so she's,
Speaker 3: you know, trying to live.
Speaker 2: Like that that life.
Speaker 3: And so apparently Brian kind of thought the vlog was stupid,
Speaker 3: although there's a lot of footage of them. There's footage
Speaker 3: of them where he's playing along. He's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: I'm Ryan, and she's like and I'm Gabby, and he's like,
Speaker 3: and we thought it was time.
Speaker 2: To give you a little tour of our van. Like
Speaker 2: he's going along with it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he needs people to not be suspicious of
Speaker 1: him or.
Speaker 3: Yes, but also it's like I think he's like he's
Speaker 3: into it for a little bit, and then I think
Speaker 3: as soon as he sees that it's something that is
Speaker 3: going to take any amount of her time away from him,
Speaker 3: he's like, I don't this is annoying.
Speaker 1: So there my brain went where it's like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was all fun and games until she had something else
Speaker 1: in her life, right, Yeah, what if it works.
Speaker 3: What if this works and it becomes a big blog
Speaker 3: and she has money and resources and gets the fuck
Speaker 3: away from me.
Speaker 1: You know, Like it's like so scary. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: like that's a lesson. As soon as there's a boy, mom,
Speaker 1: you gotta run. We need to start punishing these people.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, see, so there is footage of them,
Speaker 3: just like in the episode, bickering a little bit, like
Speaker 3: sniping at each other, and that's like out or that
Speaker 3: the police know that the police found that's in the dock.
Speaker 2: It's in the dock, but it's not in the thing.
Speaker 3: There's nothing where he punches her like in the in
Speaker 3: the episode, but like them arguing and sniping at each
Speaker 3: other and her doing it too. She's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't want that. Why are you giving me that?
Speaker 3: Like you know, like and whatever. They're living in a
Speaker 3: band together for four months, it's normal, but that none
Speaker 3: of that is what people saw. So they're bopping around
Speaker 3: the West bunch of cool National parks, Monument Rocks, Great
Speaker 3: Stand and Dune's National Park and Preserve, Zion, Bryce Canyon,
Speaker 3: Mystic Hot Springs, Canyon Lands like they're going. They're hitting
Speaker 3: all the hot national parks, which you can now not
Speaker 3: go to for free anymore on MLKDA, and you will
Speaker 3: have to go to them for free on Donald Trump's
Speaker 3: fucking birthday. Kill me anyway, So let's get into this.
Speaker 3: Is that's all now, That is all backstory leading up
Speaker 3: till now. August twelfth, twenty twenty one, Gabby and Bryant
Speaker 3: are spotted fighting in Moab, Utah, And I've been to
Speaker 3: Moab on my cross country trip during the pandemic, which
Speaker 3: honestly was a month after this. Oh my god, Wait,
Speaker 3: did you do a full cross country not cross country
Speaker 3: but La to Colorado?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we did that in September of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: so a month after this.
Speaker 2: Wow, crazy, I like forgot and I was there. Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, so somebody So at this point of August twelfth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, they've been on the road together for
Speaker 3: forty one days. Okay, someone calls N one one and
Speaker 3: it's a man that calls on one money. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just saw this guy slap this girl. And then
Speaker 3: they kind of ran up and down the street a
Speaker 3: little bit, and then they got in the car and
Speaker 3: they drove away, and so the police pull them over.
Speaker 3: The police are following them, and there's bodycam footage in
Speaker 3: the dock where the police are like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think I've got the van, and then he goes, whoa
Speaker 3: because he sees the van hit the curb, like the
Speaker 3: van is driving erratically and like can't see herb So
Speaker 3: when they pull them over, Gabby is crying hysterically, and
Speaker 3: the body cam footage shows her saying to the cops
Speaker 3: like she's talking to them for a while, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if some days I just I have
Speaker 3: really bad OCD. I was just cleaning and straightening up
Speaker 3: the back of the van before I was apologizing to
Speaker 3: him and saying I'm sorry that I'm so mean, because
Speaker 3: sometimes I have OCD and sometimes I can get really frustrated,
Speaker 3: not like mean towards him. I just like my vibe
Speaker 3: is I'm in a bad mood, and I was just
Speaker 3: saying sorry if I'm in a bad mood. I just
Speaker 3: I had so much work I was doing on my
Speaker 3: computer this morning, and I just now quit my job
Speaker 3: to travel across the country, and I'm trying to start
Speaker 3: a blog. So I've been building my website. I've been
Speaker 3: really stressed and he doesn't really believe that I could
Speaker 3: do any of it. So we've just been fighting all
Speaker 3: morning and he wouldn't let me in the car before.
Speaker 3: He told me I needed to calm down. But I'm
Speaker 3: perfectly calm. I'm calm all the time, and like you,
Speaker 3: like your heart's going breaks for her, your heart breaks
Speaker 3: for her in this she's like so upset just talking
Speaker 3: to these cops where she's just like you could just
Speaker 3: tell she's at the end of a rope.
Speaker 2: She's like, I can't get anything fucking right. I think
Speaker 2: anything right.
Speaker 3: This guy is always he doesn't believe what I can do,
Speaker 3: like he doesn't believe and what I can do, me
Speaker 3: working to go on this trip wasn't enough now, like
Speaker 3: you know, it's this and that, it's I'm straightening up
Speaker 3: too much, or I'm in a bad mood, or I
Speaker 3: have too much work on my computer, like he you
Speaker 3: can just tell, she's like and he gaslights her, being
Speaker 3: like you are you have anxiety, you have mental health issues.
Speaker 3: You need to calm down, Calm down, calm down, calm down.
Speaker 3: And she's like, I'm fucking calm all the time. Like
Speaker 3: but and so at first, when I'm watching this doc,
Speaker 3: I think the cop is being very nice to her.
Speaker 3: This one cop talking to her, he's like, listen, why
Speaker 3: don't I put you in my car, get you in
Speaker 3: the AC.
Speaker 2: You're not in any trouble at all. You're okay.
Speaker 3: And then like at one point, like a little later,
Speaker 3: she's like, do you guys have a phone so I
Speaker 3: can call my mom? And like that makes her tear
Speaker 3: up even more, like like she just wants to call
Speaker 3: her mom.
Speaker 2: And then we go to the footage of them.
Speaker 3: Talking to Brian and of course they're like what's up, like,
Speaker 3: and Brian has some marks on him. Meanwhile, Gabby has
Speaker 3: fucking marks on her face. They show it in the dock.
Speaker 3: She has marks on her face, but for some reason,
Speaker 3: the cops have not asked her about these marks on
Speaker 3: her face. And he's got some marks on him and
Speaker 3: he goes yeah, you know, like and he's playing it
Speaker 3: really calm. He's not like, oh my god, my girlfriend's
Speaker 3: a fucking psycho.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: He's playing it very calm with the cops, like he
Speaker 3: knows exactly how to manipulate them, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: she was swinging on me, and I just pushed her away.
Speaker 3: I know I shouldn't have pushed her, but like, I
Speaker 3: just pushed her away. She had her phone in her hand.
Speaker 3: I just didn't want her to clock me with the phone.
Speaker 3: And then but yeah, and they're like, what about those marks,
Speaker 3: and he goes, yeah, she got me, like she ended
Speaker 3: up getting me. And then she tells the officer, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess I hit him first, and she has marks
Speaker 3: on her face where I guess he grabbed her, telling
Speaker 3: her to calm down, and the cops are saying, oh,
Speaker 3: she's a twenty two year old with anxiety, but she's
Speaker 3: the main aggressor. I mean, you get a full comp
Speaker 3: you get a full footage of the cops in a
Speaker 3: circle talking to each other.
Speaker 2: They don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: They're kind of like, yet, seems like she's the main aggressor,
Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, that's what he's saying too. So
Speaker 3: what they got from what Gabby said was that she's
Speaker 3: the main aggressor, even though that's not what she said.
Speaker 3: She was like like, that's not what she said. These
Speaker 3: cops like do not get domestic violence in this case
Speaker 3: at all. So there's body cam footage of these cops
Speaker 3: discussing the situation, being like, geez, like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what do we do.
Speaker 2: Do we like go full DV or do we do this?
Speaker 2: Or do we do that? But if they're gonna go
Speaker 2: full DV, they're gonna do it against Gabby, not against him.
Speaker 2: And so they're like, well, listen.
Speaker 3: The thing with that is like there's always the worry
Speaker 3: of you know, it escalates and it becomes something worse
Speaker 3: after we let them go. I don't think there's a
Speaker 3: big worry that he's going to become a battered man,
Speaker 3: this guy.
Speaker 2: So then one of them and like one of them
Speaker 2: goes oh.
Speaker 3: The Another option is we could separate them for the night.
Speaker 3: We could separate them. So I'm gonna get back to this.
Speaker 3: But in one report, one of these officers wrote, at
Speaker 3: no point in my investigation did Gabrielle stop crying, breathing heavily,
Speaker 3: or compose a sentence without needing to wipe away tears,
Speaker 3: wipe her nose, or rub her knees with her hands.
Speaker 3: The Mail tried to create distance by telling Gabby to
Speaker 3: take a walk to calm down. She did not want
Speaker 3: to be separated from the Mail and began slapping him.
Speaker 3: He grabbed her face and pushed her back as she
Speaker 3: pressed upon him in the van. So this is like
Speaker 3: what they had in their report. And so none of
Speaker 3: them they didn't want to press charges. The two of
Speaker 3: the Gabby orb yeah, and so the cops chopped it
Speaker 3: up to a mental breakdown instead of DV and they
Speaker 3: ultimately did separate them. They sent him to a motel
Speaker 3: in Moab, and they had her stay in the van
Speaker 3: by herself.
Speaker 2: I have no.
Speaker 3: Fucking clue, Like that's actually a DV like survivor motel.
Speaker 3: It's like where they put DV survivors in this area
Speaker 3: at this motel. They put him there, and they're like,
Speaker 3: let's put this one hundred and ten pound blonde girl
Speaker 3: by herself who's hysterical in a van by herself overnight. Like,
Speaker 3: I do not get it. Gabby did not want that
Speaker 3: to happen. She did not want to be separated. She goes,
Speaker 3: it was just a silly argument, and the female officer goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: but like, silly arguments don't end with putting hands on
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: Like he has marks, and I'm like, so does she?
Speaker 3: Are we not looking at the same footage of this
Speaker 3: person like she has marks on her face, and they
Speaker 3: tell both of them they're kind of being like condescending
Speaker 3: now at this point, like they're telling them, okay, guys,
Speaker 3: don't text each other. No texting each other, just sleep
Speaker 3: it off till tomorrow. The cops are buddying up to Brian.
Speaker 3: This one guy goes. One of the cops keeps telling
Speaker 3: Gabby want to Hey, there's this place down here where
Speaker 3: you can take a shower for like five books.
Speaker 2: It's like really cheap. I know for my wife.
Speaker 3: She gets like this too, and it really helps when
Speaker 3: she takes a shower. And I wanted to be like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fucking throw something in my television.
Speaker 2: Like are you kidding me? Like, oh, your wife also
Speaker 2: gets worked up quote unquote, and it's good for her
Speaker 2: to take a shower to chill out.
Speaker 3: And so he tells Brian that too. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: my wife has anxiety too. She gets like this and
Speaker 3: I just told her about the shower that could help
Speaker 3: or whatever. And so, you know, the couple do end
Speaker 3: up meeting up later that night, even though the cops
Speaker 3: told them that they could not even text, and eventually
Speaker 3: they start heading towards Salt Lake City. Okay, so this
Speaker 3: is August twelfth. All that happened on August twelfth. Ten
Speaker 3: days later, it's August twenty second. She texts her ex
Speaker 3: boyfriend Jackson, and she texts him, I'm sure I'm the
Speaker 3: last person on the planet you want to hear from,
Speaker 3: but I'd really love to talk to you. I'm only
Speaker 3: alone until tomorrow. So they talk on the phone. They
Speaker 3: catch up. Nothing serious gets brought up, but he gets
Speaker 3: a vibe from her that she might want to talk
Speaker 3: more and that she needs help, and he thinks that
Speaker 3: that phone call was like a cry for help. And
Speaker 3: he talks about also how like this had been an
Speaker 3: idea that they had had when they were together. They
Speaker 3: dated for like a year before she got together with Brian,
Speaker 3: about doing van life and driving across country. And he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, but I was happy for her that she
Speaker 3: was getting to do what she wanted to do. And
Speaker 3: then he says, in the dock, she told me she
Speaker 3: was going to leave him. She had a plan to
Speaker 3: do it, she said. She goes, I've got a whole
Speaker 3: plan of how I'm going to get out. I know
Speaker 3: how to do it. So five days later, August twenty seventh,
Speaker 3: they go to Whole Foods in Jackson, Hawayoming and this
Speaker 3: is the last on camera footage that exists of Gabby.
Speaker 3: So August twenty seventh, this is the last time we
Speaker 3: have her on camera. Her and her mom.
Speaker 2: Tell those cops get in trouble.
Speaker 3: Well you'll see her mom text and she says to
Speaker 3: her mom, Brian's gonna camp alone in the woods and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the van. And the mom goes, waiter,
Speaker 3: are you guys breaking up? And she goes, no, no,
Speaker 3: I just told him I could make more money as
Speaker 3: a single female van lifer.
Speaker 2: So but she says, we're not breaking up.
Speaker 3: I just told him I would make more money doing
Speaker 3: the van life thing on my own, like if it
Speaker 3: appeared I'm alone.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's how she thought, like, Hey, you don't really
Speaker 3: seem to like this, Why don't I just do it
Speaker 3: on my own and I'll like work on my blog
Speaker 3: and like we'll get that. I'll see you in a
Speaker 3: couple months when I'm done or whatever. That was on
Speaker 3: the twenty eighth, and then on August twenty ninth, this
Speaker 3: woman picks up Brian hitchhiking in Grand Teton National Park
Speaker 3: and he asks her to take him to this campsite
Speaker 3: ten minutes away, which is called Spread Creek Campground, so
Speaker 3: it's about ten minutes away. So she's like, yeah, no problem,
Speaker 3: I'll take you. And he explains his whole situation. Oh,
Speaker 3: my fiancees in the van. She's working on her blog.
Speaker 3: We have this blog together, blah blah blah. And then
Speaker 3: he gets out and the woman is like, you know,
Speaker 3: he kind of smelled stinky, like he'd been hiking for
Speaker 3: a while, but like he didn't you know that. I
Speaker 3: didn't think anything was weird about him. August thirtieth, her
Speaker 3: mom gets a text that doesn't really sound like her.
Speaker 2: She goes.
Speaker 3: She says something like, can you help Stan out? He
Speaker 3: keeps trying to contact me and I have bad reception here.
Speaker 3: Stan is her grandfather who she never calls Stan. So
Speaker 3: the mom right away is kind of like Stan, like,
Speaker 3: why are you calling your grandfather that? And so that's
Speaker 3: August thirtieth. September one, September second, her mom's reaching out
Speaker 3: to her, texting her, not hearing back. There's no new
Speaker 3: social posts. Her last Instagram was August twenty fifth. She
Speaker 3: keeps texting her. On September sixth, September seventh, she's going, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm getting really worried, like I haven't heard from you.
Speaker 3: I know your reception is bad, but at this point
Speaker 3: they've been all over the place and she's been texting
Speaker 3: with her mom frequently. Right, her and her mom have
Speaker 3: not had a falling out. There's no reason why they're
Speaker 3: not talking. September ninth, she's not had contact with Gabby
Speaker 3: in ten days, so her mom reaches out to her dad.
Speaker 3: They're divorced in the documentary, they're both sitting separately with their.
Speaker 2: Partners and they live in separate states.
Speaker 3: So she reaches out to her ex, being like, hey,
Speaker 3: have you heard from Gabby And he's like no, So
Speaker 3: then she reaches out to Brian's parents, no response. The
Speaker 3: dad reaches out to the parents, no response. They reach
Speaker 3: out to Brian's sister, not a word. Even after they
Speaker 3: write we're calling the police, they don't get a response
Speaker 3: from his family. So September eleventh now, still no word
Speaker 3: from either of them. It's been twelve days. They're calling
Speaker 3: the parks. They're calling all these parks being like, we
Speaker 3: think they're there, whatever, But you have to file a
Speaker 3: missing person's report in their place of residence. So they
Speaker 3: have to call the police department in nor with Port,
Speaker 3: Florida to start the missing person's case. Okay, so they call,
Speaker 3: they call them. The officers go to the laundry family home.
Speaker 3: They it's one of those situations where they have like
Speaker 3: a screened in porch, So the cops are at the
Speaker 3: porch door and they're at the door to the house,
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of distance between them, and they
Speaker 3: won't come out. They won't even come out to where
Speaker 3: the cops are. They just open the door of their
Speaker 3: house and they're like, yeah, we don't we don't want.
Speaker 2: To talk to the cops.
Speaker 3: And they're like okay, well, but like they're looking for
Speaker 3: the cops keep calling her Gabriel. They obviously like rend
Speaker 3: something incorrectly, but they keep calling her Gabriel. But they're like,
Speaker 3: we're looking for Gabrielle Patito, like do you know where shit?
Speaker 3: And they're like, we don't. We don't want to talk
Speaker 3: to you. We don't want to talk to you. And
Speaker 3: the cop goes, you don't want to talk to us,
Speaker 3: like that's it. Like, so then they go. The van
Speaker 3: is parked in their driveway. The van is parked in
Speaker 3: their driveway. So they tell them, oh, yeah, Brian is
Speaker 3: here and that's all he's gonna say. And they go,
Speaker 3: we have an attorney, and they go, great, can we
Speaker 3: get number for your attorney? He hands him a piece
Speaker 3: of paper with the numbers of the attorney. So the
Speaker 3: sister apparently family knows that he did it. Very hashtag
Speaker 3: boy mom. The sister has told a detective that Brian
Speaker 3: and Gabby got into a fight, he left her at
Speaker 3: a hotel and he flew back.
Speaker 2: How'd the van get back to Florida? Them babe? Okay.
Speaker 3: So it's sketchy as fuck, and the parents just straight
Speaker 3: up will not talk to the cops, and they won't
Speaker 3: let the cops talk to Brian either. So they're like, okay,
Speaker 3: well the van is registered to Gabby, so we're gonna
Speaker 3: toe it. And they're like, okay, we're gonna move our
Speaker 3: They move their cars, so they get the fucking ban out.
Speaker 2: This family's so weird.
Speaker 3: The Gabby's family does missing posters full press conference like
Speaker 3: it's a full court press. Like within a couple of days,
Speaker 3: we all know what happens. The story is all over
Speaker 3: the news. People are protesting at the laundry's home like
Speaker 3: every day, like there's foot days as if the car
Speaker 3: was registered under Gabby, they should have rested them for
Speaker 3: a theft.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it feels like what you would have done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I would have done. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh, that's not your car. You have
Speaker 1: no answers, you have nothing to say. You're under arrest.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you took someone's car. You left her in a
Speaker 1: hotel and took her car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the families initially when the cops came, kept
Speaker 3: saying it's their van, it's both of theirs, and then
Speaker 3: they were like, well it's only registered to her, So.
Speaker 2: That's when you arrest them. You bring them in. I
Speaker 2: don't understand how you allow them to act this weird.
Speaker 1: It's like, so you got into a fight that bad
Speaker 1: that you don't care if your ex girlfriend of yours
Speaker 1: is dead or alive.
Speaker 2: It's so it's so crazy.
Speaker 3: So obviously she is a beautiful, twenty two year old, blonde,
Speaker 3: white woman. So the press runs with this, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff happening at this time that is highlighting,
Speaker 3: you know, how women of color and indigenous women like
Speaker 3: do not receive the same kind of press coverage that
Speaker 3: brings up a lot of that in this case as well.
Speaker 3: But the people are gathered outside of the laundry's home
Speaker 3: and I swear to God, the dad is mowing the
Speaker 3: lawn while people are just screaming at him.
Speaker 2: Where's Gabby, where's Brian? Why won't you talk? Like and
Speaker 2: he's just mowing the lawn. It's so bizarre.
Speaker 3: And I remember like how psychotic this was and being like,
Speaker 3: oh wait, the family's just coming and going, Like I
Speaker 3: remember reading and being like, yeah, he's at his house
Speaker 3: with his parents, and it's like and they don't, they're
Speaker 3: not How do you not have to compel him to speak?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: It's so confusing.
Speaker 1: So the last person who saw this woman like, yes,
Speaker 1: you're allowed to just not answer questions.
Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like that. The FBI gets involved.
Speaker 3: They find that the last place Gabby used her phone
Speaker 3: was the Spread Creek campground, the one where Brian had
Speaker 3: asked that lady to drop him off that day. So
Speaker 3: at one point there's footage of the sister coming out
Speaker 3: of her home with her husband, and the press is
Speaker 3: and the press and random protesters I think are just
Speaker 3: screaming at her. And she's like, wait, wait, wait, like
Speaker 3: we have been cooperating since day one, and I initially
Speaker 3: got she was talking about her whole family.
Speaker 2: She's just talking about her and her husband.
Speaker 3: She goes, we're just as heartbroken and worried as everyone else, like,
Speaker 3: and she's like, and.
Speaker 1: We don't have answers. No, it's the same sister.
Speaker 3: And she goes, and we don't have answers either, and
Speaker 3: they go, your parents aren't talking to you either, and
Speaker 3: she goes, no, So her parents and Brian are not
Speaker 3: speaking to her or giving her any information. So this
Speaker 3: sister's outside of her house going, I am just as
Speaker 3: worried about my future sister in law.
Speaker 2: I'm just as heartbroken as you all are. I don't
Speaker 2: know anything.
Speaker 3: So this is the point in time when the Moab
Speaker 3: footage comes out of the of the traffic stop. Okay,
Speaker 3: and yeah, her family, they're not huge fans of the
Speaker 3: cops standing around like laughing with Brian as he calls
Speaker 3: her crazy and says stuff like yeah, she's been hysterical
Speaker 3: the whole time. And there is a female cop there too,
Speaker 3: which is also annoying. But on September seventeenth, someone calls
Speaker 3: in and says, something's up at the laundry's house and
Speaker 3: it's weird. They play the call, but you don't really know,
Speaker 3: You're like, he might be dead in there, he might
Speaker 3: have taken his own life. Like, we don't know what
Speaker 3: gave this person this idea. But someone calls in that
Speaker 3: somebody's going on at the laundry's house. So when they
Speaker 3: get there, the police are told that the laundries have
Speaker 3: told them that Brian isn't home and that they hadn't
Speaker 3: seen him in days and they needed to report him missing.
Speaker 3: So they search the laundry house, they find a note
Speaker 3: that his mother has written to him with the title
Speaker 3: burn After reading okay and it is a fucking hashtag
Speaker 3: boy mom manifesto, it is like, I love you so
Speaker 3: much nothing you could do can make me stop loving you.
Speaker 3: If you're in jail, I'll bake a cake with a
Speaker 3: file in it. If you need to dispose of a
Speaker 3: dead body, I'll show up with a shovel and garbage bags.
Speaker 3: That is in the letter from this woman to her son.
Speaker 3: Now do I, as a mother, ever want my kids
Speaker 3: to murder? Somebody surely know, But if they come to me,
Speaker 3: I just murdered my girlfriend. I don't think I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be helping cover up that crime. I think we're gonna
Speaker 3: get you a good lawyer and we're gonna let's go
Speaker 3: go on and turn ourselves in. Like this is unhinged
Speaker 3: shit to say that to someone like and it's like
Speaker 3: what they kind of tried to channel into the mom
Speaker 3: in the in the episode where she's like, I would
Speaker 3: I'm just doing anything I could do for my kid,
Speaker 3: which anyone would do, and it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know murdering an innocent girl, Like.
Speaker 2: I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. Don't think i'd be
Speaker 2: covering for that because he's gonna do it again.
Speaker 1: Yes, I should also say that they had dinner at
Speaker 1: this restaurant lunch, excuse me, at this restaurant in Jackson Hole,
Speaker 1: like the day.
Speaker 3: Of the whole food's footage like one of her last
Speaker 3: days that they have footage of for her. And there's
Speaker 3: this whole thing that happens at the at the lunch
Speaker 3: where she leaves, she goes outside and she's texting him
Speaker 3: being like, I don't want to That food made me
Speaker 3: feel sick. Those Fahidas felt like they were the chicken
Speaker 3: felt like it was off, and he was like, okay,
Speaker 3: do you want me to come to you outside? And
Speaker 3: she's like, I don't really want to pay for food
Speaker 3: that I didn't That made me feel sick. And so
Speaker 3: I wonder if the drinking at the bar maybe leaving
Speaker 3: the tip, like if that's like a little bit connected,
Speaker 3: because I don't know if they left without paying or not.
Speaker 3: It's never really covered. But she was saying in her
Speaker 3: text to Brian, I don't really want to pay for
Speaker 3: this food. But anyway, that's a little that's a that's
Speaker 3: a going back into the past.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So now they find this fucking weird letter in the
Speaker 3: house and the FBI asks the public for help, and
Speaker 3: they are getting hundreds of tips a day.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: People are coming forward who have picked Brian up hitchhiking.
Speaker 3: They also in the documentary talk to these like cartoon
Speaker 3: character van lifers, like there's it's this couple and they're
Speaker 3: just like yeah, like we're we like when you know,
Speaker 3: we heard about her, because like when something happens like
Speaker 3: that in the nomad community, like it spreads really quickly.
Speaker 2: Like I can't even describe them.
Speaker 3: They're just like tattooed with like the La Girl hat
Speaker 3: on and like.
Speaker 2: They're just very van life creators.
Speaker 3: Okay, So they were camping around Spread Creek at that
Speaker 3: time and they were like, oh shit, let's go through
Speaker 3: our footage. They there literally was a call. This is
Speaker 3: how online, this whole fucking case is. There was a
Speaker 3: call to all creators like in that area, go through
Speaker 3: all your footage, go through all your footage and see
Speaker 3: if you see anything. Right, So they go through their
Speaker 3: footage and they had footage.
Speaker 1: Of the van.
Speaker 3: They haven't they passed the van. It was just sitting
Speaker 3: on the side of the road. They're like, fuck, we
Speaker 3: have it. That's Gabby's van. So now they have a
Speaker 3: search area because that's around the last place her phone
Speaker 3: worked and that's where the van is parked in this footage,
Speaker 3: and that's like kind of the last known footage they
Speaker 3: had of the van. So on September nineteenth, there searching
Speaker 3: Spread Creek on horror back and they find a body
Speaker 3: and it is consistent with Gabby's body. She's lying on
Speaker 3: her side, she's wrapped up in a sweater, and you know,
Speaker 3: the last time she had been heard from was August
Speaker 3: twenty seventh, and now it's September nineteenth, so for over
Speaker 3: three weeks she had just been lying there in the
Speaker 3: same position.
Speaker 2: There was a burn scar.
Speaker 3: On the ground in front of her, her boots were off,
Speaker 3: they were next to her body. So the cops basically
Speaker 3: were like, this looks like it's been staged. Like this
Speaker 3: her body, this has been staged. The emmy ruled it
Speaker 3: a homicide and the cause of death was blunt force
Speaker 3: trauma and manual strangulation. So now they still have to
Speaker 3: start building the case, okay, because they were never able
Speaker 3: to really charge Brian with anything because they didn't have
Speaker 3: a body. Now they've got Now they have her body,
Speaker 3: and it's like really heartbreaking. In the documentary, they like
Speaker 3: her stepfather like identifies her body and it's like she
Speaker 3: describes it as like the worst moment of his life.
Speaker 3: And so now they've got to build the case against Brian.
Speaker 3: So they think that Brian killed Gabby on the twenty
Speaker 3: seventh and then moved the body to where it was
Speaker 3: found on the twenty eighth. He has gone hiking. This
Speaker 3: is when he the message has been sent already that
Speaker 3: he's going hiking on his own and he's taking all
Speaker 3: these pictures. Some are scenic, but it's also a bunch
Speaker 3: of skulls, like animal skulls. There's like random decomposed skulls.
Speaker 3: And then he makes a fifty five minute phone call
Speaker 3: to his mother, and after that phone call, his father
Speaker 3: contacts an attorney and he and his family are bouncing
Speaker 3: back and forth with phone calls, pinging for the rest
Speaker 3: of the day. And he is sending texts to Gabby's
Speaker 3: phone after she is dead, like he is sending texts
Speaker 3: to her phone being like, hey, babe, about to come
Speaker 3: out of the woods, like let me know if you
Speaker 3: want to join up, like no pressure, like it's really
Speaker 3: beautiful out here, like all these like good natured, cool
Speaker 3: guy like nature boy texts or whatever about how he's
Speaker 3: enjoying the solo hike. So none of these texts get
Speaker 3: red until he's back in the Spread Creek area, and
Speaker 3: then he starts sending replies for her. And they could
Speaker 3: tell because the action of the text were like instantaneous
Speaker 3: almost like it was clearly somebody holding both phones in
Speaker 3: their hands and sending the text back and forth. So
Speaker 3: on August thirtieth, Ryan starts to head to Florida and
Speaker 3: Gabby's mom. That's around the time, right, like the day
Speaker 3: before that or around that time is when she got
Speaker 3: the weird text saying help me with Stan, and.
Speaker 2: He's using it. Do we know why he said that?
Speaker 1: Oh, he's trying to make it seem like she's alive still.
Speaker 1: But she never calls him San like he just didn't know.
Speaker 1: He's just like he just fucked up. Like that's probably
Speaker 1: how he was introduced to him. So he fucked up
Speaker 1: and like you know, it was like, hey, Stan's hitting
Speaker 1: me up.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: So he uses Gabby's fucking debit card to pay for gas.
Speaker 3: This fucking loser doesn't have his own money. He's going
Speaker 3: to kill someone and then use her money for gas.
Speaker 3: And then there's also a Zell transaction that he sends
Speaker 3: from Gabby's phone from Gabby's account to his account for
Speaker 3: seven hundred dollars oh, where the note in the Zel
Speaker 3: transaction says goodbye, Brian, I'll never ask you for anything again.
Speaker 3: So in his fucked up mind, she's like he's painting
Speaker 3: this story that they broke up and he's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, here's seven hundred dollars, like for everything you've done, goodbye, farewell, Okay,
Speaker 3: so at this point, Brian is a full blown federal fugitive. Okay,
Speaker 3: everyone's looking for him. Even Dog the fucking bounty hunter
Speaker 3: is on this. Okay, he is involved. And they find
Speaker 3: one of the laundry's cars, a Mustang, near a park
Speaker 3: and that is one of Brian's favorite hiking spots. But
Speaker 3: it's this massive park and it's forty square miles, it's
Speaker 3: like twenty thousand acres something like that. And meanwhile, at
Speaker 3: one point, I guess the cops miss took.
Speaker 2: Brian for his mom. And there's text messages going back
Speaker 2: with the family, the mom, the dad, the sister, joking
Speaker 2: about lol, like they thought I was Brian. Oh well,
Speaker 2: I bet you got you looking good or something like that.
Speaker 2: All these texts about how it's so funny that the
Speaker 2: cops thought that Brian was his mother. Insane, Okay. They
Speaker 2: search for Brian for weeks.
Speaker 3: He is being he is missing for over a month,
Speaker 3: he is missing for five weeks, for thirty seven days,
Speaker 3: he's missing, and on October twentieth, the park was reopened
Speaker 3: to the public because there had been some flooding, and
Speaker 3: they're searching the park for him, like there's you know,
Speaker 3: volunteer teams and all and law enforcement. Everybody's trying to
Speaker 3: search this park for him. And then the laundries are like,
Speaker 3: we're gonna come down to the park to try to
Speaker 3: find Brian. We know his favorite spots. The family did
Speaker 3: not emote. Everybody said it was extremely tense when they
Speaker 3: got there. Within an hour, they found a waterproof bag
Speaker 3: that belonged to Brian. The family did soon after they
Speaker 3: found his remains approximately one mile from where he'd parked
Speaker 3: the car. So, I mean, they found the car parked there,
Speaker 3: and then for some reason it took so fucking long.
Speaker 3: But it's like Schandra Levy I always think of, was
Speaker 3: found less than a mile from where she was last seen,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3: There weren't dogs or whatever, but he had completely decomposed
Speaker 3: all the way down to the bone. They said the
Speaker 3: cause of death was suicide by gunshot wound. He had
Speaker 3: taken his own life by shooting himself in the head.
Speaker 3: Inside the waterproof bag where photos of Brian and Gabby,
Speaker 3: there was a waterproof notebook where he had written letters
Speaker 3: to his family saying goodbye, professing his love to them.
Speaker 3: He wrote all of this shit in the notebook about
Speaker 3: finding Gabby in a stream. When he got there, she
Speaker 3: was in this stream, the temperature had dropped. She was
Speaker 3: in pain, gasping for breath, and he couldn't take her
Speaker 3: pain away, and he admitted to ending her life to
Speaker 3: stop her pain. And he thought what he was doing
Speaker 3: was merciful, and then after he did it, he realized
Speaker 3: that he couldn't live without her.
Speaker 2: So of course none of this is true.
Speaker 3: Autopsy proves none of this garbage, and like, yeah, like
Speaker 3: there's not.
Speaker 1: Why do he take his own life? Did he disappear
Speaker 1: and do that or is it a fake body?
Speaker 2: What's going?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, he took his own life. Like it's him.
Speaker 3: He's identified and the law enforce. Law enforcement still does
Speaker 3: not know how involved the parents were, but they've.
Speaker 1: Let him do that.
Speaker 2: I like wonder if Yeah, I wonder.
Speaker 3: On the twenty eighth, which is the day after they
Speaker 3: think that she that he killed her, his family talked
Speaker 3: to him a bunch of times on the phone and
Speaker 3: wired money to a lawyer. So a year later, Gabby's
Speaker 3: family and her ex jackson, and her best friend Rose,
Speaker 3: they all go to Spread Creek to see where she
Speaker 3: was found they wanted to like honor her. Then they
Speaker 3: show that in the doc as well. Her parents have
Speaker 3: actually helped get DV legislation passed. They've like I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's federal, it's probably by state, but like
Speaker 3: a list of questions that you have to ask somebody
Speaker 3: if you suspect there's DV going on, you know, not
Speaker 3: just like winging it and seeing if a girl's just
Speaker 3: on her period having a little mentb or whatever, like
Speaker 3: she might actually be worn down from being emotionally and
Speaker 3: probably physically abused and h The crazy thing is, after
Speaker 3: all that she only made one van life video on
Speaker 3: YouTube and she put it up on August nineteenth, about
Speaker 3: you know, eight days, nine days before she was killed,
Speaker 3: and it got less than five hundred views. But now
Speaker 3: it has seven million views and her Instagram has one
Speaker 3: point two million followers. Like it's like what you said,
Speaker 3: Like she did not she was not popular, like yet
Speaker 3: she was working on the growing stages of her social
Speaker 3: media presence. And it's just really really sad there was
Speaker 3: no criminal charges were fouled against the family, his family,
Speaker 3: I mean, why that, Well, I think they couldn't prove anything.
Speaker 3: I don't think they could prove that that they I
Speaker 3: just don't understand.
Speaker 2: How wiring the money and all that is not again
Speaker 2: and having the van and lying to office start.
Speaker 3: But that his crimes like those are his crimes. They
Speaker 3: can't pin those on her.
Speaker 2: I guess got it.
Speaker 3: So like her parents though, Gabby's parents filed a wrongful
Speaker 3: death suit against Brian's parents in twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 3: it did settle in twenty twenty four, so I hope
Speaker 3: they had to pay. And they tried to sue the
Speaker 3: Moab PD in twenty twenty two, saying that they could
Speaker 3: have prevented her death, but a judge dismissed the case
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, essentially saying like the police did
Speaker 3: what they could and they couldn't have foreseen what was
Speaker 3: going to happen and.
Speaker 1: This and that. I mean, they could have taken it seriously,
Speaker 1: I know, not be laughing and immediately be like, oh
Speaker 1: yeah it's probably her. She's nuts. Uh you know women,
Speaker 1: It's like what the fuck? I just wish after that,
Speaker 1: like traffic, can't you have any instincts?
Speaker 2: Like That's another thing.
Speaker 1: It's like these cops want all of this hero status
Speaker 1: and adoration and it's like you're fucking idiots. You can't
Speaker 1: tell a human is in distress or acting weird, and
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't leave her in a van alone, Like
Speaker 1: what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Cause that's like it felt like a bunch of time passed.
Speaker 3: It did feel like thirty minutes, forty five minutes they
Speaker 3: were talking to these cops like and it's like she's
Speaker 3: not really calming down. I mean she is, like she
Speaker 3: can speak, but she's still visibly upset and like like
Speaker 3: you know, can't catch her breath and everything. And it's
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, this is like more than just like
Speaker 3: we've been fighting. I said, I was being a little
Speaker 3: ocd about cleaning the van like that. And then it's
Speaker 3: like I think he treats her like shit, screams at her,
Speaker 3: and then when she's upset, he just grabs her face
Speaker 3: and goes calm down, calm down, And it's like complete
Speaker 3: like the girl probably thought she was going absolutely insane
Speaker 3: with that kind of gaslighting.
Speaker 2: You know, that's exactly what gaslighting is.
Speaker 3: Like you're trying to have like literally convince someone that
Speaker 3: they're crazy, even though your actions are the ones causing
Speaker 3: their reaction.
Speaker 1: So then and then the cops that are supposed to help,
Speaker 1: are like like validating this dude.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, like the way they were talking
Speaker 3: to him, like they separated them.
Speaker 2: That's the only good thing.
Speaker 3: Like the for the interviews that when they talked to them,
Speaker 3: they did separate them, which is like what you're supposed
Speaker 3: to do for GV stuff. But after that, I would say,
Speaker 3: so many of the decisions are so wild. Why does
Speaker 3: he go just because she maybe like pushed him or
Speaker 3: slapped him first or something, to me, does not mean
Speaker 3: she's the main aggressor, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 3: he was trying to take the car keys and not
Speaker 3: let her into the van. She might have been literally
Speaker 3: panicking that this crazy boyfriend was gonna leave her in
Speaker 3: the middle of Moab near the entrance of Arches National
Speaker 3: Park by herself, Like that would be enough for me
Speaker 3: to maybe smack at someone and go, no, no, me
Speaker 3: the keys, let me back into the van, like that's
Speaker 3: their house.
Speaker 2: You know. It's really it's so fucking sad.
Speaker 1: He's fucking scum, Like because yeah, using his car, using
Speaker 1: her card, fake tag.
Speaker 3: But it's also like, even in the end, you did
Speaker 3: so much to cover up what you did, and even
Speaker 3: in the end, you wrote this bullshit story for the
Speaker 3: cops out behind your body about how you saved her
Speaker 3: and put her out of her misery, like, which is
Speaker 3: fully unsupported by any forensic evidence. It's a lie. And
Speaker 3: you because you wanted to even though you knew you
Speaker 3: were going to take your own life, you wanted to
Speaker 3: like go out a hero, you know. And that's probably
Speaker 3: what he wanted his family to believe too. I'm sure
Speaker 3: he called his mom and said, Mom, I Gabby, like
Speaker 3: you know, she was like like, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: sure he said that he fucking she was about to
Speaker 3: die and he just like helped her put her out
Speaker 3: of her misery or something like that. Meanwhile, this lady
Speaker 3: picked him up hitchhiking ten minutes away on our way
Speaker 3: to church. There's stuff around there like in Titan, Like
Speaker 3: if she was ill or whatever, it's like he could
Speaker 3: have gotten help, you know, Yeah, like you didn't have
Speaker 3: to again said he just ran to Florida and never
Speaker 3: anyone or her family where she is called like right,
Speaker 3: and like I don't know if his family actually knew
Speaker 3: that he was planning to go take his life or whatever,
Speaker 3: like maybe he told them, Like I'm not going to
Speaker 3: be able to I can't go to jail whatever. But
Speaker 3: it was such a wildcase because I don't know. I've
Speaker 3: seen people defend their I've seen people cover up for
Speaker 3: their kids before, but this felt so to see the
Speaker 3: footage of the parents just like, we have nothing to say.
Speaker 3: And at one point a cop goes, oh, but her
Speaker 3: parents are so worried. Wouldn't you guys want to know
Speaker 3: if something one of your children was missing? Can you
Speaker 3: just talk to us and like so we can put
Speaker 3: their mind at ease. And the family goes, we understand
Speaker 3: what you're saying about. Nope, we're not going to speak.
Speaker 3: It's so it's bizarre.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the mom hated her the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yes, the mom was, no, one's good enough for my
Speaker 3: little boy. It's really weird because when you look at
Speaker 3: like a bunch of the footage, he seems like he's
Speaker 3: having a good time making these van life videos. Like
Speaker 3: there's tons of video of them kissing. It's like the
Speaker 3: it's like the episode. There's lots of videos of them
Speaker 3: looking like they're so in love and having great time.
Speaker 3: And then I bet you she said, why don't you go,
Speaker 3: I'll just do the van life thing on my own
Speaker 3: and he was like, you're fucking leaving me, and he
Speaker 3: killed her.
Speaker 1: But they always like to excuse the reason. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to. But I didn't. It's like no
Speaker 1: one cares, right, They're always trying to like reason it
Speaker 1: out in some way. Yeah, we're gonna like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: understand and be like, yeah, I guess you had no choice.
Speaker 2: She was gonna make videos without you. Yeah, well depressing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We have a great guest.
Speaker 2: We do, we do. We have an amazing guest. Don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere.
Speaker 3: Our guest today is an actor that you may recognize
Speaker 3: as Tom Haverford's ex wife Wendy from Parks and rec
Speaker 3: She's also a regular on The Good Place and the
Speaker 3: School of Rock TV show, but you know her today
Speaker 3: as sad but hopeful mother Laura Hughes. Please enjoy our
Speaker 3: convo with the lovely Jamia Williamson.
Speaker 1: I met the Molester Priest through a friend on the
Speaker 1: streets of New York once, and I can't believe it's him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, this is my friend. I go,
Speaker 2: have you been on SVU?
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, Molester Priest And he.
Speaker 4: Was such a nice molester priest, but looks so right
Speaker 4: for the part. I'm so sorry he's so I'm sure
Speaker 4: he can do lots of other wonderful things, but he's
Speaker 4: so meant for this, perfect looking like so perfectly cast.
Speaker 4: I thought he lived in LA, so he minds you.
Speaker 4: Maybe he bops?
Speaker 2: I guess. So do you live in New York or LA?
Speaker 4: I was in New York for eleven years and then
Speaker 4: LA for fifteen years, and now I'm in Philadelphia. Oh wow,
Speaker 4: to Philly my family like three years ago. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: love it.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm just looking up your husband now also has
Speaker 2: been on an s for you.
Speaker 1: We're usually so good about this. I can't believe we
Speaker 1: didn't find it.
Speaker 3: I didn't, you know, I didn't find it because your
Speaker 3: husband's not in your Wikipedia, which is you know, maybe
Speaker 3: a choice, but he's in your IMDb.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: He's in the episode where a girl keeps having babies
Speaker 3: with her dad and killing them.
Speaker 2: Oh so crazy. Yeah, her husband's in taboo. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: in Taboo. Oh my god. I love that. You could like, Oh, well,
Speaker 2: that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a crazy episode.
Speaker 1: We modeled one of our merch sweatshirts. On like the
Speaker 1: sweatshirt the girl wears in it like purple kind of
Speaker 1: and I don't know other people know it, but that's he's.
Speaker 2: Been memorialized that episode. I love it.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 3: who he plays. But so you guys met during doing theater.
Speaker 3: You said, yeah, we met doing a play. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what play was it?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 4: It was by the name of Eat the Runt, which
Speaker 4: is a weird, weird title, but it was very at
Speaker 4: the very beginning of reality television, Like this is like
Speaker 4: right before nine to eleven, and the play was written
Speaker 4: without pronouns. It was sort of you know, uh, sort
Speaker 4: of early to do something like that. But the idea
Speaker 4: was that all of us would learn all of the
Speaker 4: parts of the play, and each actor would know all
Speaker 4: the whole play and know all the characters. And then
Speaker 4: each night before the show, we would get up in
Speaker 4: front of the audience an audition for each role and
Speaker 4: they would vote via electronic keypad from their seat and
Speaker 4: decide who they wanted in each part. So we never
Speaker 4: knew what the cast was going, how I was going
Speaker 4: to shake out.
Speaker 1: And that is so fun.
Speaker 4: It was really cool there was like, you know, sometimes
Speaker 4: it was a you know, same sex relationship. Sometimes it was,
Speaker 4: but you know, it was just age differences.
Speaker 1: I have so many questions ahead of its time, But
Speaker 1: how often was the audience consistent? Like was it always
Speaker 1: really change or did the and did you guys always change?
Speaker 1: Like did you did you like some and hated some
Speaker 1: of them?
Speaker 2: Or were you okay, yes.
Speaker 4: We And there was some really small parts and some leads.
Speaker 4: So depending on if your agent was there, your mom
Speaker 4: was there, you know, you were gunning for those parts.
Speaker 4: Which is a little bit of the problem with this
Speaker 4: situation is it pitted actors against each other, right, and
Speaker 4: my husband and I were very competitive. We were not
Speaker 4: dating at the time and we were friends, but we
Speaker 4: would we were like it was like me and him,
Speaker 4: you know, every night for you know, we'd let you know,
Speaker 4: we weren't always gunning for the leads, but like there
Speaker 4: were certain times we both were going for it and
Speaker 4: we would be it was be like Doggie dog out there,
Speaker 4: I mean, which was kind of interesting because that was
Speaker 4: what the play was about. It was about this you know, Darwinism,
Speaker 4: and it was all took place in the art museum
Speaker 4: and someone getting a job. But it was all about
Speaker 4: kind of like you know, pushing people out of the
Speaker 4: way in order to do so. So I guess I
Speaker 4: guess that was a little bit life dating art.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you were with your husband then when he
Speaker 3: got s for you, were you like one of my
Speaker 3: to get.
Speaker 2: Asked for you? Because it took you. It took you
Speaker 2: till twenty twenty four or something.
Speaker 4: I know, I had to move back to LA and
Speaker 4: moved to LA, move all the way back to the
Speaker 4: East coast.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: It was like it was a real real challenge for me. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was really good. He's always been really good at that.
Speaker 4: That's never really been my jam. I'm more of a
Speaker 4: comedy actor. Okay, so that wasn't really things that a
Speaker 4: show that I was going for at the time, and
Speaker 4: so that he would he if you see his resume,
Speaker 4: he stopped acting. I think two thou well run my
Speaker 4: daughter was conceived. He was like, I'm thrown in the tail.
Speaker 4: Someone's got to get a job and this god is
Speaker 4: going to be me.
Speaker 2: And so he.
Speaker 4: If you look at his resume, it's almost all procedurals,
Speaker 4: like he was really good at.
Speaker 2: That, Like yeah, big talk, you know, like the law.
Speaker 2: He did all a law orders. Oh yeah, trial by jury?
Speaker 1: So did you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, eventually I've I've checked him off, but it they
Speaker 4: come a little harder for me.
Speaker 2: They're not they're they're they're comedy, definitely, I'm sure more fun.
Speaker 2: It is more fun.
Speaker 3: But also you're you're good at drama. You You're really
Speaker 3: like this you you. I was getting real, like I've
Speaker 3: already seen the episode obviously, but I was watching it
Speaker 3: again for today, and I was getting emotional about your performance.
Speaker 3: You're so daughter as a but it's really that's.
Speaker 4: Part of why it's so hard to do, because you know,
Speaker 4: in the moment, I'm thinking of my real daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks. Takes a lot out of you, I
Speaker 2: would imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but this episode, Yeah, Like I felt like
Speaker 3: when I was watching it, I was like really pulled
Speaker 3: in by your performance and the boyfriends at first because
Speaker 3: I was like, he didn't do it, and then like
Speaker 3: at the end, you're like, wow, anyone's capable to have
Speaker 3: crazy lies.
Speaker 1: And we knew that was based on did you tap
Speaker 1: into the real case?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Kind of hard. It was so huge, right, it
Speaker 2: was Yeah, my god, that's a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, and speaking of this too though,
Speaker 4: just personally, is that I you know, you know, as
Speaker 4: I was using my daughter imagine her being the one
Speaker 4: laying in that hospital bed was horrifying to the other part.
Speaker 4: I had to be able to believe, truly not believe
Speaker 4: that this boy could do that, you know. And at
Speaker 4: the time, my other daughter had a boyfriend who I
Speaker 4: love him. I'm not day anymore, but he was so sweet.
Speaker 4: It was her very first boyfriend. He weirdly lives across
Speaker 4: the street from like.
Speaker 2: In a hallmarkt.
Speaker 4: And he's just the sweetest person and he treated her
Speaker 4: so well. And so I actually use that as a
Speaker 4: you know, like how I like that he couldn't Yeah,
Speaker 4: like just you know, someone who you really truly believe
Speaker 4: is really good for your kid and and is like
Speaker 4: lifting them up, and you just you your brain just
Speaker 4: can't tolerate the idea that that person would hurt them,
Speaker 4: you know it.
Speaker 2: Just anyway, that was just d I felt the belief
Speaker 2: from your character for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And in a lighter note, you and Marishka the
Speaker 1: Battle of the Good Haired Is. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: like a beautiful, blowout, heavy.
Speaker 4: Scene with you compared to her In anyway, I'm flattered. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she she's a she's a force man.
Speaker 2: She is she is.
Speaker 4: She really took me off guard, I have to say,
Speaker 4: because I mean, her beauty is by itself, but just
Speaker 4: as a as an actor and as a commander of
Speaker 4: a set, a younger version of me. This is why
Speaker 4: I'm glad I did not get SVU back when my
Speaker 4: husband did, and I'm glad it when I got it
Speaker 4: when I was a thousand years older, because I feel
Speaker 4: like I could handle what was happening on that set
Speaker 4: better as an with a more maturity than I would
Speaker 4: have when we Before we even started, we just did
Speaker 4: like a you know, uh, you know the run through,
Speaker 4: like the practice, like the rehearsal, and you get very
Speaker 4: little rehearsal youually on with TV stuff, and so you
Speaker 4: just kind of have to be ready to go. But I,
Speaker 4: you know, I was kind of marking it a little bit,
Speaker 4: like I was. I just wanted to make sure that
Speaker 4: I was getting my you know, my getting on the
Speaker 4: right spot and you know, getting my marks and like,
Speaker 4: and so I wasn't going full throttle on my rehearsal.
Speaker 4: I was just sort of making sure I get the lines.
Speaker 4: And she after the first take, she came over to me,
Speaker 4: and she walked up really close to me and put
Speaker 4: her hand on my low belly and whispered in my ear.
Speaker 4: She was like and gave me like an acting lesson.
Speaker 5: She was like, this is your daughter, like this is
Speaker 5: so painful and overwhelming to you, like was like setting
Speaker 5: my stakes for me, you know.
Speaker 4: And I was I mean, again, now, as a grown woman,
Speaker 4: I really appreciated it. I think as a young person
Speaker 4: I might have been very overly intimidated and feeling like
Speaker 4: maybe like I failed her or so like that I
Speaker 4: wasn't giving you know, I don't know. It just would
Speaker 4: have thrown me into a little bit of a tailspin,
Speaker 4: I just know myself. But it thankfully I've done enough
Speaker 4: meditation that it didn't kind of like actually really.
Speaker 2: Centered me, you know.
Speaker 4: And I was like, right right, just kind of refreshed
Speaker 4: all of my and so and I was also like,
Speaker 4: oh god, this woman wants me to give it full throttle,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like from the get go.
Speaker 4: And I was like, you got it, Marishika, like it's
Speaker 4: your fucking set. Like, so it was it was interesting.
Speaker 4: She's just and then this is a little bit of
Speaker 4: a spoiler alert, but I ended up working with her again.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have covered another episode.
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna have the rapist priest on oh.
Speaker 4: Right, right, it was. I was so glad and this
Speaker 4: doesn't usually happen. I don't think very often to be
Speaker 4: able to have to come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was wondering, like, did they tell you when you
Speaker 3: first did no episode? Oh, by the way, we're bringing
Speaker 3: you back for another thing.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No, And I thought I walked away being like I
Speaker 4: did it my sbu you know, like, and I had
Speaker 4: no idea. I never even thought that was even an option.
Speaker 4: I've never heard and I've never dine a bunch of
Speaker 4: guest stars. I've never heard of that, you know, so
Speaker 4: I didn't None of my friends had ever heard of that,
Speaker 4: So I know that was that really was The.
Speaker 1: Social was such a good double feature, I would say,
Speaker 1: and very different. It went somewhere different. But it's also
Speaker 1: it is hard to watch you and the other mom
Speaker 1: kind of befriend each other. But I guess your characters
Speaker 1: really you know, religious and forgiven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for you friends, was like hard, I would say.
Speaker 4: Apewer, yeah, yeah, I know, I I that was really.
Speaker 2: Fun and interesting for me.
Speaker 3: I was trying to think about, Yeah, like why they
Speaker 3: did that, because it's not the first time they've had
Speaker 3: a Calma victim be sexually assaulted and impregnated on the show,
Speaker 3: so they've covered that, So they did, and I feel
Speaker 3: like it's because they want they they like to revisit
Speaker 3: Olivia's like origin story and stuff about how she is
Speaker 3: like a product of this and it's that hope for
Speaker 3: your character, Like is that worth it to like put
Speaker 3: this homotose woman through the pregnancy?
Speaker 4: But yeah, right right, you know that was what that
Speaker 4: was interesting to me. I mean, I know we're not
Speaker 4: talking about that episode, but there there was a beautiful
Speaker 4: maybe my favorite scene all of all the scenes I
Speaker 4: did for SBO, This my favorite scene was cut and
Speaker 4: it was at the end of that the second episode
Speaker 4: that I'm in, I think it's season episode sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and there was a scene between me and Mariska and
Speaker 4: Benson at the end of the episode that was cut
Speaker 4: and it was so sweet and so tender and so beautiful,
Speaker 4: and I was I was devastated that it was it's
Speaker 4: me and her back in the chapel, So that the
Speaker 4: episode sort of begins with me in the chapel with
Speaker 4: the you know, uh Gina, with the other mom, and
Speaker 4: it ends back in the chapel and I am there
Speaker 4: with absolute, you know, just complete forgiveness for for the
Speaker 4: for the priest, for every ever, everything, and and I'm
Speaker 4: it's just this And that was so interesting to me
Speaker 4: because you know, I grew up Catholic. I don't go
Speaker 4: to church anymore. But there was something I used a
Speaker 4: lot of like what I had known about, you know,
Speaker 4: Mother Mary, and just ultimate forgiveness and unconditional love, you know,
Speaker 4: like these these concepts that I've learned about and talked
Speaker 4: about in church and school but never really like tried
Speaker 4: to imagine for myself and never been put in that position.
Speaker 4: And so it was it was like weirdly, deeply like
Speaker 4: profoundly healing for me. I had sounds like a lot
Speaker 4: to say, but it was true, like to really put
Speaker 4: that on, you know, to really to really truly forgive
Speaker 4: in that way and just can to be able to
Speaker 4: see even through the most heinous act, to be able
Speaker 4: to see that it is that are is still some.
Speaker 2: Divine plan and all of that. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It was like it made me better doing this episode,
Speaker 4: I sort of got it in. Yeah, but in this
Speaker 4: last scene, me and Mariska were just like sitting side
Speaker 4: beside and she could not take she couldn't take it
Speaker 4: in that I had forgiven her, you know, or forgiven him,
Speaker 4: like it just it was it was so painful for
Speaker 4: her for her own personal story, like she was just
Speaker 4: still had stuff to hold on to.
Speaker 2: And I grabbed.
Speaker 4: Her hand and the two of us prayed together, like
Speaker 4: I ended up praying that same prayer that comes in
Speaker 4: the beginning, and we both start we both cry. It
Speaker 4: is just and she I feel that there was a shift,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's like almost like she's
Speaker 4: borrowing my forgive, you know, whatever that that I've been
Speaker 4: able to find, my character has been able to find,
Speaker 4: and it shifts her.
Speaker 2: And so I was like, oh my god, this.
Speaker 4: Is I was like, maybe this character will come back
Speaker 4: like this feels like something like really interesting that's been
Speaker 4: mined here.
Speaker 2: And then they cut it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they like want her stuck in this for
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, no freedom, They don't really love
Speaker 1: her happy. They might be true if they want to
Speaker 1: ruin her day piece.
Speaker 2: Really that's a show. Maybe that was yeah, you might.
Speaker 2: You guys might be right. Wait, can I ask you
Speaker 2: a weird question about your episodes?
Speaker 3: It is it weird to have all these scenes in
Speaker 3: front of this third actor that's just sitting there in
Speaker 3: a coma like with she just like wake up in between.
Speaker 2: Takes and be like hey, guys.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, so we know, like in the
Speaker 3: second episode she's sort of cleaned up and just like
Speaker 3: in a in an assisted living I think, right or something,
Speaker 3: and so she's yeah, and she's just really truly sitting
Speaker 3: there eyes closed without any of the time.
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, we felt we're we felt more bad
Speaker 4: for her, you know. I was like, We're so sorry
Speaker 4: that you have to just like it's like take after take,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she had a very interesting part for us, for
Speaker 3: you because pretty much all of her acting is done
Speaker 3: through like these social media videos.
Speaker 4: I know, I know, which was really sweet. She did
Speaker 4: a beautiful job with us, but I know she kept
Speaker 4: saying I was like, are you okay? And I felt
Speaker 4: do you want water? Like I just felt bad, you know,
Speaker 4: my mother a part of me. It was just like
Speaker 4: I feel bad for you. But she kept she would
Speaker 4: like open one eye and gen she was so sweet.
Speaker 4: She would like open my eyes. She was like, I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm learning a ton. But she just was
Speaker 4: like quietly taking it all in, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like really absorbing.
Speaker 2: Like so she was like, I feel like I'm becoming
Speaker 2: a better actor.
Speaker 4: I know it doesn't look like it, but I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she got to listen to you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like hear us like figure out a scene
Speaker 4: and like what didn't work and what did work, you know,
Speaker 4: like there and it was Yeah, I think that was
Speaker 4: And I've always sort of I thought that I've always
Speaker 4: thought that sounded really interesting to sort of be a
Speaker 4: fly on the wall and you know, if you don't
Speaker 4: have any real stakes exactly in a scene, but just
Speaker 4: be able to be in the space and just sort
Speaker 4: of watch actors work. I mean, she didn't get to
Speaker 4: open her eyes. I guess maybe there was even more
Speaker 4: she was able to take in because she took a.
Speaker 2: Sense away, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it sounds kind of like an interesting acting
Speaker 4: exercise to really just sort of be on set but
Speaker 4: but not really be needed for anything, you know, just
Speaker 4: be able to just really watch, you know, even if
Speaker 4: you're the director, whoever everyone on that set has a
Speaker 4: job to do, but hers was just to sort of
Speaker 4: be still so she could just really listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Agent Harrison, did you like it?
Speaker 1: Josh Cook? Oh my god, he's hot. I'm meant to this.
Speaker 2: Isn't he wonderful?
Speaker 4: This is a great I'm telling you here. This is
Speaker 4: the This is kind of the one of the best parts.
Speaker 4: I can't believe I forgot to say this because is
Speaker 4: kind of one then most fun part of that first
Speaker 4: episode was I have a dear friend in LA. Her
Speaker 4: name's Lilah Gersty and she's a showrunner and a writer
Speaker 4: and she did this show Heart of Dixie. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: she was like, when I decided that I was going
Speaker 4: to move to Philadelphia, she was like, my friend, Uh,
Speaker 4: you're gonna love him. You got to tell you got
Speaker 4: to meet him. His name's Josh Cook. He did the
Speaker 4: same thing. He was like out here in La. He
Speaker 4: was on Heart of Dixie. He moved to Philadelphia. He
Speaker 4: lives in a cute little farmhouse with his wife and
Speaker 4: his daughter, and he loves it and he's so happy there.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god, this is the
Speaker 4: best story ever. And she was like, and he's wonderful,
Speaker 4: and so I was like, get me a number, and
Speaker 4: then I promptly forgot because I was so busy and
Speaker 4: doing the move. But he called, he texted me, and
Speaker 4: I was living with my at my friend's house because
Speaker 4: our house is being renovated, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 4: do you want to where are you right now? And
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm actually in glad One because
Speaker 4: I'm in a friend's house. And he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: that's where I grew up. Do you want to meet
Speaker 4: for lunch? And I was like, love to, but like
Speaker 4: I'm so busy and underwater. Can we do it as
Speaker 4: soon as my like in next month, I'll be back
Speaker 4: home and you know, and he was like, let's do it.
Speaker 4: Then we both forgot, as we do. I show up
Speaker 4: on that set and didn't realize, like, didn't I even
Speaker 4: saw Josh Cook on the you know, the call sheet,
Speaker 4: but I just didn't put it together and I just
Speaker 4: like sort of forgot.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: And he when we introduced himself, he was like, Hi,
Speaker 4: I'm Josh. I was like, I'm Jama and he was
Speaker 4: like Jama, that's wait, how many James could there be?
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 2: Lilah Gerstein and I was.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, and he was like you're the and I
Speaker 4: was like you're the Oh that's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were.
Speaker 4: It was so made that day so fun because every
Speaker 4: time they'd be like cut, we'd be like okay, so anyway, Lilah.
Speaker 4: And it was just like to have a buddy like
Speaker 4: that on set, especially as a guestar. When you walk
Speaker 4: in you don't know anyone, it's very you know, you're
Speaker 4: just like sort of don't know the rules and it's
Speaker 4: very scary, and you don't know how the set is run.
Speaker 4: And he'd been there a bunch, so he knew Morisca,
Speaker 4: he knew the whole you know, everybody, you know because
Speaker 4: his recurs. And so it was like it was so
Speaker 4: fun to have a set buddy.
Speaker 3: And you finally want to have lunch probably just crafty, yeah,
Speaker 3: craft service.
Speaker 2: And we end up did we did do our date.
Speaker 4: We went, he came up to Ambler and we had
Speaker 4: a we had a little lunch date like a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks later, just like broke it down, you know,
Speaker 4: like how that was how it was to work on
Speaker 4: that show. And you know, he gave me some like
Speaker 4: funny like insider, you know, info.
Speaker 2: Which it was just it was great.
Speaker 4: It was it was like it turned out to be
Speaker 4: just such a funny little gift that that show gave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm forgetting. Oh he's an SQBI guy. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: he was in Dexter. I'm looking right now and it's
Speaker 3: all coming together. But he does not look as hot
Speaker 3: and cool Indexter. He's like a weirdo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really like him in the glasses that he
Speaker 4: wears an SBO.
Speaker 1: It's so everyone's going to Philly. It's the new place
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: It is guys. Wait, I I like when I saw
Speaker 2: you in this episode, I was like, I've seen her
Speaker 2: in tons of stuff, right, But then when I looked
Speaker 2: up your bio, I was like, Wendy, it's Tom Ackerford's
Speaker 2: ex wife.
Speaker 4: I know that's what most people recognize me from. I've
Speaker 4: weirdly gotten there must be a lot of parks and
Speaker 4: rec fans out here, man, because I'm at the Trader
Speaker 4: Joe's and people and like, you know, Montgomeryville, and people
Speaker 4: are like, Wendy ever heard of I've never once, No
Speaker 4: one's ever stopped me in my whole life in La Like.
Speaker 1: You know what it is it's in the cycle of
Speaker 1: like the comfort shows for millennials, I would say, And
Speaker 1: so the people that watch it, they've watched it a
Speaker 1: few times, they're watching it drew over and watching it.
Speaker 1: They're going to bed to it. Yeah that's just yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And people rediscovered it in the pandemic because it's
Speaker 4: such a great time, you know, So there's a whole
Speaker 4: new round of of watchers. It's yeah, it's it's such
Speaker 4: a great show. I mean, God, I feel so lucky
Speaker 4: to be a.
Speaker 2: Part of that universe.
Speaker 1: You know, you're in a few verses I would say,
Speaker 1: because that was God bless Mike.
Speaker 2: Sure. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, my short and.
Speaker 4: Now most recently a man on the inside. He dragged
Speaker 4: me into that, not dragged me kidding, He asked me,
Speaker 4: and I was like, are you kidding? I would do anything? Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: so we have you know, he likes to do that.
Speaker 4: He likes to draw from the same well a lot
Speaker 4: for his actors. He kind of likes to like rediscover
Speaker 4: them in different universes. And so I'm lucky enough to
Speaker 4: be to be one of those. Yeah occurring, make sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to be part of the bad side
Speaker 2: the bad place. Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 4: So I got to work with Ted Danson again. He
Speaker 4: was the perfect person. He's the greatest guy in the
Speaker 4: whole wide world. So that was the first time I
Speaker 4: ever worked with them. I said a prayer that I
Speaker 4: would work with him again, and I guess it really
Speaker 4: landed because I work with them two more times after that.
Speaker 1: We need him on SVU. If you, if you see Ted,
Speaker 1: tell him to get going.
Speaker 2: We need it. Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: He would actually make such a good like secret psycho.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I could yeah, you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: I can see that, and he hasn't played a role
Speaker 4: like that in a long time, So that sounds kind
Speaker 4: of maybe that would be fun for him.
Speaker 1: Anything that you are excited to tell our listeners about
Speaker 1: that's maybe upcoming or to check out or anything.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't have I have a commercial coming.
Speaker 4: It's Oh, it's a fun one too, because for the
Speaker 4: Parks and Rex fans, it's a Parks and Rec kind
Speaker 4: of it's not meant to be. It's sort of like
Speaker 4: a quiet easter eggy thing, but it's for true value
Speaker 4: and it's with Nick Offerman and it's his campaign. But
Speaker 4: then they've kind of buried within it, Like I just
Speaker 4: play a mom at this true value store wanting to
Speaker 4: know where the paint cans are and but they just
Speaker 4: kind of are putting parks and red people around him.
Speaker 4: Is just kind of a funny just for the fans,
Speaker 4: if you know, you know, and if you know, if
Speaker 4: you don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to speak to hardware store
Speaker 1: is cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a I know, it's it's a badass product
Speaker 4: to be to be promoting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's coming up.
Speaker 4: But I the thing that I'm actually really interested in
Speaker 4: talking about, just in a bigger way is my other business.
Speaker 4: I am a meditation teacher and a spiritual well being coach,
Speaker 4: and so I just I kind of want to I
Speaker 4: want I want people, first of all, to follow me
Speaker 4: on because I don't have enough followers right now, and
Speaker 4: I want more followers from.
Speaker 3: I literally looked up Williamson Instagram and nothing came up.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 4: Oh well, I have a Jama Williamson Instagram.
Speaker 2: Okay, that not come up.
Speaker 4: That's just my that's me, and that's more acting stuff,
Speaker 4: and that's you know, that's just kind of life.
Speaker 1: There it is.
Speaker 4: And then I have another one called Soul Light Wellbeing
Speaker 4: dot com. And that's my wu Wu side. I'm pretty
Speaker 4: woo woo guys, okay, And I'm a real spirit seeker
Speaker 4: and and a meditator. I'm a daily meditator and a
Speaker 4: meditation teacher and a teacher of Vireveda and also a coach.
Speaker 4: So I'm just interested in people because we need people
Speaker 4: to wake up right now in the universe and the
Speaker 4: in the world we are.
Speaker 1: You know what you have to do moment You have
Speaker 1: to put your business link in your personal link.
Speaker 2: Like tag it. Oh, people will follow you like, hey.
Speaker 1: This is my other thing, taget so then we can
Speaker 1: click and then you'll get more follow up.
Speaker 3: And your Instagram did come up? I think I put
Speaker 3: in just an I and it gave me your imt B.
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot. Your Instagram did come up? Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you're that's my parents. I agree.
Speaker 4: You have to high in my name. You have to say,
Speaker 4: like in your.
Speaker 1: Bio, you have to go. I wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: even know you have this if I looked at your bio.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no that you should write for woo stuff.
Speaker 3: You should write like for Woo Woo stuff, go to
Speaker 3: and then just tag at soulight well being oh good, okay,
Speaker 3: and then people will go to that. This was awesome, Jima,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for talking to us for so
Speaker 3: long and this was great.
Speaker 2: Is there any other I loved it? Any other SVU
Speaker 2: set tidbits that you forgot? Did you and Iced Tea
Speaker 2: have any run ins or anything? I wish? No?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't get to my husband got to work
Speaker 4: with him. I didn't, so I missed that. So that's
Speaker 4: why I want I need to come back. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: know that kid is like you said, like when kid
Speaker 4: is seven, and we'll go for circirl.
Speaker 3: We love your the inside the remembering a forgotten cut scene.
Speaker 3: I thought this might be the first time we've talked
Speaker 3: to someone.
Speaker 2: That gave us that. So this has been amazing. That's nice.
Speaker 2: Oh good, Well, it was so fun talking to you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you too.
Speaker 3: We'll see you in the streets of Philadelphia one of
Speaker 3: these days. Oh my god, she was lovely. What a
Speaker 3: nice what a fun what a fun gal? Hi love
Speaker 3: our podcasts.
Speaker 2: Yeah she was so great. I mean wow. And then
Speaker 2: we see her again and we are.
Speaker 1: The crossovers and being friends with the people that we
Speaker 1: know from others like it's just like, yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's fun. It's like, yes, she's a cool girl.
Speaker 1: My job and it was fun. And I guess I
Speaker 1: should get to j Lo what everyone is dying to know.
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's really quick the postmortem of the episode.
Speaker 2: It's so sad.
Speaker 3: The postmortum of the episode is like, I mean, the
Speaker 3: episode is like obviously gay trash.
Speaker 2: Every Yeah, the Gabby.
Speaker 3: Pachito case is so fresh in all of our minds,
Speaker 3: but I feel like that was such a it was
Speaker 3: so illustrated through all of the video clips and all
Speaker 3: that stuff like that they had of them in a
Speaker 3: way that you just old documentaries.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, and then he killed her and.
Speaker 3: We'll never really know what happened leading up, But like
Speaker 3: now it's like these people were van life YouTubers. Like
Speaker 3: there is a lot of footage, even though a lot
Speaker 3: of it didn't get posted, there's a lot of footage
Speaker 3: of them together and just God, trust your fucking gut
Speaker 3: when it comes to guys that have like a weird, dark,
Speaker 3: manipulative side but then are super sweet to you. Like
Speaker 3: that's really I feel like, what was the issue with
Speaker 3: this guy is everybody was like there was something off,
Speaker 3: but like he had never done anything to her that
Speaker 3: anybody knew about, you know, and then just fucking killed her,
Speaker 3: Like oh my god, the worst, the worst experience for
Speaker 3: her family.
Speaker 2: And then do not be a.
Speaker 3: Boy mom harboring your murderous son. Get him a good
Speaker 3: lawyer and let's go. You know, that's it. I talked
Speaker 3: to Jared about it. I was like, what would you
Speaker 3: do if we found out Oscar or Rosie like a
Speaker 3: murdered someone. And He's like, get them a good lawyer.
Speaker 1: And we're turning them in, like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on that woman, if you're in jail,
Speaker 1: I will bake a file into a cake.
Speaker 2: If you are like that letter, get a life, get.
Speaker 3: A life, want to be Yeah, anyway, let's get to
Speaker 3: the j LO notes. I want to hear them.
Speaker 2: Tell me.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's having a hard time selling concerts out.
Speaker 3: There's a reason.
Speaker 2: Okay. One it's called out of this World.
Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with space, like it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with anything.
Speaker 2: Out of this world.
Speaker 1: She's actually singing show tunes whatever Lola wants. She's saying
Speaker 1: rain on my parade. She's also sang Lana del Rey.
Speaker 1: But outside of all that, there is a teleprompter.
Speaker 2: So that to me is like.
Speaker 1: Especially off watching like the Taylor Swift kind of documentary
Speaker 1: series and the effort and the time and the work
Speaker 1: and the passion, and then to see this where it's like,
Speaker 1: do you have a teleprompter? Like that's embarrassing and for
Speaker 1: the talking. So then it's like, well, if you have
Speaker 1: a teleprompter for when you're speaking, it should be it
Speaker 1: should sound clear, concise, like rehearsed ready, but it wasn't,
Speaker 1: so it's like flustered and off. It sounds like off
Speaker 1: the top of her head, but so insincere and not real.
Speaker 2: So it's like, why how do you manage that?
Speaker 1: How do you manage so much insincerity with like with
Speaker 1: a teleprompterure? But it's not polished, so confusing. I will
Speaker 1: say positive things. She looks incredible, The wardrobe is incredible.
Speaker 1: Everything looks amazing on her, her hair, her face, her moves.
Speaker 1: I mean, the bitches on fire in terms of looks like.
Speaker 1: She also tried to make jokes about her divorce and stuff,
Speaker 1: which and it's also cool to see just like a
Speaker 1: star like that. In so it's Caesars, which like Nicky's
Speaker 1: gonna be there, and I think for a comedian it's giant,
Speaker 1: but for like when I saw Celine Dion there, it's
Speaker 1: it's a very intimate venue. I think that's where Adele
Speaker 1: was like, it's an intimate venue to see a star
Speaker 1: that big, but it is. It's big, but it's intimate.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, how a few thousand, but like, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's like a teleprompter, you're doing show tunes. But
Speaker 1: you know, I loved hearing the hits and I loved
Speaker 1: on the side screens. It was like jab Rule and
Speaker 1: Ello cool J kind of a video of them singing,
Speaker 1: which I liked them being incorporated.
Speaker 2: I liked the oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So before we went in over dinner, I was just
Speaker 1: like I don't get why she's doing this, Like why
Speaker 1: not take a break figure stuff out? Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if I had such a flopy, Like why would
Speaker 1: you do this? And then there was a moment where
Speaker 1: I saw her like turn in a spin and like
Speaker 1: smile to one of the dancers, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, uh, she's a performer, Like even if I
Speaker 1: had a rough time, I would want to perform. So
Speaker 1: there was this moment of like, oh, yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: she's an artist. Of course she wants to be up there.
Speaker 1: Of course the audience matters. She had these moments where
Speaker 1: I caught her really smiling and enjoying it.
Speaker 2: But then the.
Speaker 1: Undercurrent of just the talking and the sloppiness of the
Speaker 1: show didn't make sense. Like you kind of saw her
Speaker 1: thinking about the moves. It was strange. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: polished show. So and then the I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just is confusing. Yeah, but I could tell like, of
Speaker 1: course she wants to perform, that's what we do. Of course,
Speaker 1: Like like it made sense, but then it's like it's
Speaker 1: not that great. I don't know. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: obviously she's talented. And then it did a montage of
Speaker 1: her career and it's of course incredible and the outfits
Speaker 1: and the songs, but it's like rain on my parade.
Speaker 1: Why are you doing Broadway show tunes in a show
Speaker 1: called out of This World in Las Vegas with a teleprompter?
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Mariah has a teleprompter as well.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's just like age.
Speaker 3: They're just like just in case you fully blank out
Speaker 3: and are like you know, but no, of course, of.
Speaker 1: Course, of course, it's just it just is weird because
Speaker 1: then it's like shouldn't shouldn't you be better? Like if
Speaker 1: it's like Telera, I don't know the talking, it's just
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of like downs and ups,
Speaker 1: divorces and look at me now, but with jokes.
Speaker 2: And it's like the Broadway.
Speaker 3: Show tune thing is really weird because it's like Babe,
Speaker 3: like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, to me, she sounded good, but then when I
Speaker 1: sent it to Mateo, he's like that's a head voice.
Speaker 1: Like that's like she's singing from her.
Speaker 3: Neck or and is she doing that to like promote
Speaker 3: Kiss of the Spider Woman.
Speaker 1: Well, she's sang that spider song which was okay, I've
Speaker 1: never heard of it, but she sings some Spanish.
Speaker 2: Also.
Speaker 1: The crowd, like the crowd is casine. It's elder like
Speaker 1: a lot of people were sitting. It's old people. It's
Speaker 1: like there was a grandma with her granddaughter was just
Speaker 1: on her phone non stop and her with her birken.
Speaker 1: I have the funniest videos Jlo working as hard as
Speaker 1: she can, glitter two thing dancing dancers around her, and
Speaker 1: then I would pay to this girl would not look
Speaker 1: up from her phone now for one fucking second. No,
Speaker 1: it was a great show. I was happy to see
Speaker 1: j Lo. It's like, I'll remember it. I just was,
Speaker 1: you know what, it felt like death becomes her.
Speaker 2: And I like what I see.
Speaker 1: D like the songbird the musical from the beginning.
Speaker 2: That's what it felt like.
Speaker 1: It felt like Madeline Sharp in her musical in the beginning,
Speaker 1: and I ever, oh my god. There was like a
Speaker 1: couple in front of us where the woman was a
Speaker 1: lot younger and the guy couldn't stand, so she had
Speaker 1: to sit with this old man that obviously paid for
Speaker 1: the evening, and so she didn't get to enjoy the
Speaker 1: show because she had to sit with this old man.
Speaker 1: And then the waitress spilled a whole drink and ice
Speaker 1: on him. It was like, this man's having the worst
Speaker 1: night of his life.
Speaker 2: What would sister peg do?
Speaker 3: You guys know, this is our weekly segment where we
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And next week we will be doing Ripped from season seven,
Speaker 1: episode four. And I'm sorry I said it like that.
Speaker 1: I really don't know how to say no, that's that's
Speaker 1: I said. I didn't understand why it was called that.
Speaker 1: And then once I started watching rewatching, I was like, oh.
Speaker 4: I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: I'm slow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god. I had a huge rev. I
Speaker 1: had a big moment in my life. Yesterday. I landed
Speaker 1: from my trip and I unpacked everything. What I unpacked
Speaker 1: everything I put it away. I took the laundry this morning.
Speaker 1: I put my suitcase in the closet. Doesn't feel good.
Speaker 2: And I got in the shower. I have never ever
Speaker 2: done that. Doesn't it feel good? I love getting my
Speaker 2: suitcase unpacked? It felt great.
Speaker 1: But I had SVU just running, and because we had
Speaker 1: to watch some episodes for interviews whatever, and I forgot
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. But I watched It's a
Speaker 1: New Dawn. But that's not how I wanted to say
Speaker 1: it. It was something about like the ripped. I was watching
Speaker 1: an episode. Oh, it's Cragan in the episode we had
Speaker 1: the guest on. It's the Peakupike, it's the.
Speaker 2: The lead car one the Match show.
Speaker 1: Ye John John renn not John Reynolds, John Gallagher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: It's Craigan walking in going. Are we concerned that he's slow?
Speaker 1: Just made me laugh. It made me laugh. Are we
Speaker 1: concerned that he's slow? We have fun episodes coming up, man.
Speaker 1: One of the other ones we're covering soon is I know.
Speaker 1: That's a wild thing.
Speaker 2: It's like I love the new ones.
Speaker 1: I love I love the cat I love the storytelling,
Speaker 1: I love the new shit. Whatever. We could talk about
Speaker 1: lots of things, but I miss I miss our guy,
Speaker 1: like when we get to do a Kragan episode or
Speaker 1: Munch like, I've I missed them.
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Craigan, Melinda Huang, those are the Oh.
Speaker 2: I have a confession. I have a confession.
Speaker 1: I went to a Bobby Flay restaurant and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: while I was in Vegas.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you did that. I know we are
Speaker 3: personal friends with Stephanie March.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: Maybe you have to go rewatch a few episodes of
Speaker 3: Girl Code from MTV. All right, we'll see you guys
Speaker 3: next week. Bye.
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