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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from how stup

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Speaker 1: works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Caroline and I'm Kristen. And today on another episode of

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Speaker 1: podcast Summer Camp, or are Amazing talks with the podcasting

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Speaker 1: women this summer, we are talking with Lauren Shacker, Maggie Levin,

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Speaker 1: and Emily Blake of Chicks Who Script. Yeah. This Fearsome

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Speaker 1: threesome are a group of filmmakers and more specifically screenwriters

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Speaker 1: out in Hollywood. And we've talked about Hollywood and women

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Speaker 1: and gender and feminism so many times on the podcast, Caroline.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about women behind the camera, in front of

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Speaker 1: the camera, diversity representation, the importance of Hollywood not ghetto

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Speaker 1: izing women into romcom only territory. And these are three

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Speaker 1: women we were so excited to talk about because they

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Speaker 1: have boots on the ground experience with all of these

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Speaker 1: kinds of issues. Yeah, And it was actually really refreshing

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Speaker 1: to hear from them not only about their experiences and

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Speaker 1: how they got into this line of work and also

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Speaker 1: how to keep their motivation up and just keep writing,

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Speaker 1: but it was also so refreshing to hear that they

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Speaker 1: do think that things are slowly but surely getting better

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Speaker 1: for women in Hollywood, specifically screenwriters. Yeah, even in the

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Speaker 1: past few years, they've noticed how the tone of their

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Speaker 1: podcast Chicks Whose Script has become a little bit more positive.

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Speaker 1: They are still issues that we're going to talk about, UM,

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Speaker 1: and challenges for being a woman's screenwriter. UM. And a

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Speaker 1: woman who doesn't necessarily want to be a Hollywood starlette.

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Speaker 1: That's mind blowing to a lot of people in l

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Speaker 1: A and elsewhere. Um. But they had so many great insights.

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Speaker 1: And first I wanted to give a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a historical shout out Caroline to set the tone for

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Speaker 1: this episode. I discovered this morning a woman named June Mathis. Now,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard of June Mathis? No, neither had I.

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Speaker 1: But she's a woman that we should absolutely know when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Hollywood history, because she was the very

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Speaker 1: first female executive in the industry, and she got her

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Speaker 1: start as a screenwriter because back in the Silent era

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Speaker 1: screenplays at the time, and she ended up amassing one

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Speaker 1: four screenwriting and co writing credits to her name. So

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Speaker 1: go get her that she was obviously in she was

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Speaker 1: appointed head of MGM's script department, making her the first

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Speaker 1: the time. I bet she were snappy suits. She might

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Speaker 1: have one snappy suits from what I could tell thanks

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Speaker 1: to Google image. She had a short brown hair, and

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Speaker 1: she had a clever smile. Good. Yeah, it's good to

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Speaker 1: keep a smile on your face when you're a woman

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood. And not surprisingly, as a woman who has

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Speaker 1: over a hundred screenwriting credits, she had quite a way

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Speaker 1: with words. And not surprisingly as someone with over one

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Speaker 1: So would you like to hear an inspirational quote to

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Speaker 1: kick off this interview with Chicks Who Script? Would I

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Speaker 1: need Pinterest content for later? So yes, please? Well, here

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Speaker 1: you go write it down, Caroline so June Mathis once said,

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Speaker 1: if you're vibrating on the right plane, you will inevitably

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Speaker 1: come in contact with others who can help you. It's

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Speaker 1: like tuning in on your radio. If you get the

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Speaker 1: right wavelength, you have your station. Oh I love that.

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Speaker 1: That is something Oprah would totally say, absolutely and something

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Speaker 1: that probably Maggie, Lauren and Emily of Chicks Who Script

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Speaker 1: would agree with because listeners, if you're someone who obviously

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Speaker 1: if you're an aspirational screenwriter, filmmaker, actor, anyone who is

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Speaker 1: what it takes to maintain self promotion and motivation when

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Speaker 1: the gender odds might seem stacked against you, then this

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Speaker 1: is a conversation for you. You have tuned in, As

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Speaker 1: June Mathis would say, to the right station, that's right,

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Speaker 1: and so without further ado, let's hear it from Lauren,

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Speaker 1: Maggie and Emily Chicks Who's Script. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: talking to us today. Thanks for having us. We're super excited. Also,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome. So for listeners who haven't heard of you,

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Speaker 1: could you just introduce yourselves and also introduce the podcast absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Um my name is Maggie Levin, I'm Lauren Shacker on

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Speaker 1: Emily Blake and you'll hear that a lot of the podcast. Yes,

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Speaker 1: together we are Chicksie Script, which is a podcast about

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Speaker 1: screenwriting and filmmaking. Um it's for everyone, but by women

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Speaker 1: and with a emphasis on women's perspective and representing women

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Speaker 1: well in cinema. Um, so we sort of talked about

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Speaker 1: female perspective. Great, Well, just to continue a little bit

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Speaker 1: Who script Why? Why started a podcast? Well, I'm Emily. UM.

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Speaker 1: And that was the episode where Craig Mason started talking

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Speaker 1: be directed and were written by a woman, and people

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Speaker 1: complained about it, Like watch it didn't matter. But because

429
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Speaker 1: people complained and yelled and made such a fuss about it,

430
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Speaker 1: they did go out of their way to find a

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Speaker 1: female director. And that bled over when they went to

432
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Speaker 1: when now they're making the Captain Marvel movie and they

433
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Speaker 1: need absolutely certain that their writing team. They had one

434
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Speaker 1: writing team that was women, and when that writing team

435
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Speaker 1: didn't work out, they went out and found another female

436
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Speaker 1: writing team. Um, the same people who did Agent Carter,

437
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: which is ring So um there are already in the

438
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Speaker 1: Marvel family as well, but it's in that is a

439
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: field that has traditionally been just doo doo doo doo

440
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Speaker 1: doode everywhere, because how could a woman run an action movie?

441
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: It's impossible. I think it's going to be really telling

442
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: in the next year to see what actually was fruitful

443
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Speaker 1: this year, because it it does like not to be

444
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: the naysayer here, but it's it's incredibly exciting to hear

445
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: how many people are looking for female driven work, looking

446
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: for female writers, and looking for female directors right now.

447
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: Like that for sure has not happened before. It's new.

448
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I have still noticed that it does feel

449
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: like this is the project that we're going to put

450
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Speaker 1: a woman on a little bit, you know, as opposed

451
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Speaker 1: to like I haven't heard very many reps talking about

452
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Speaker 1: I want to bring like five more female writers onto

453
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Speaker 1: my slate. I hear like there is interesting. People are

454
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: talking about it, and they're they're more aware of it,

455
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: that's for certain. It's like exacts cannot can no longer

456
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Speaker 1: say when men don't make movies that make money, Like

457
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: there's there's a a number of things that have now

458
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: been proven to be fact that are ridiculous that you

459
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: actually sound very like antiquated talking about forms. If you

460
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: go on that old tirade about how women can't make

461
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Speaker 1: movies that sell, but you know, we're not quite there yet.

462
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: I think Jill soloways it was either Jill or Gina

463
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: Davis who said that we would have to have only

464
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Speaker 1: female directed content for like seventy years to achieve parody

465
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm probably butchering that, but you get

466
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Speaker 1: the picture. So what would you say then to the

467
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: people who go, what does it matter if a woman

468
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: writes the screenplay or not? Um, Well, aside from employing women,

469
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's that question of do women tell story

470
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: is differently, Well, they certainly hire more women. That's proven

471
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: that if you have a woman helming a project, it

472
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: is way more likely to have more women employees. In general.

473
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Speaker 1: I always use the cat the Miss Marvel example. UM.

474
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Speaker 1: That's like my go to answer to this kind of

475
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: question is in comic books. It's it's like ninety percent

476
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: of white dudes, just like every other form of entertainment. UM.

477
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Speaker 1: In the last year, I have to you, I don't

478
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Speaker 1: remember when it started, but they started a new Miss

479
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: Marvel and Miss Marvel used to be a leggy, blonde

480
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Speaker 1: woman who is now Captain Marvel. Um. The new Miss

481
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: Marvel is a Pakistani teenager in New Jersey, and reading

482
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Speaker 1: that comic book is a breath of fresh air because

483
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: it's not the same white guy who's you know, handsome

484
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: and Kendall. Like, it's not the same. Not that I

485
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Speaker 1: don't love Captain America, but it's not the same guy

486
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Speaker 1: you see in every other comic book. Miss Marvel is

487
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: amazing because you're like, oh, look a story about someone

488
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't see in every single other book. So I

489
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: think that what women can bring to it, and minorities

490
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: as well, is just a different perspective. It's not that

491
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: we write necessarily differently. It's not any any question of talent.

492
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: It's just getting a new voice that's got experiences that

493
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: are different in a culture that's different. It's really nice

494
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: to see. So it's not that you know, people who

495
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: fall into the white male category can't tell incredible stories.

496
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: I know many of my favorite writer writers fall into

497
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: that category. Um, but yeah, it's just about different perspectives.

498
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Like our world, our culture is so shaped by storytelling,

499
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Speaker 1: it's ridiculous and to deny that and to deny our

500
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: culture different perspectives, I think it's just detrimental to all

501
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: of us. And I yeah, the more the more diversity

502
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: we have in our entertainment, the more empowered the diverse

503
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: makeup of our society. Field. Um, I'm I'm particularly passionate

504
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: right now, Um because I tend to write like I

505
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: come from a like a music background, not like a

506
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: music background. I come from a music background, and so

507
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: I do tend to write a lot of stories about

508
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: rock stars and touring and music and bands. Right now,

509
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: I am actively trying to work on projects where my

510
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: characters are in stem careers and other things that you know.

511
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: I feel like we have a million and a half

512
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Speaker 1: Disney shows and YouTube channels that teach little girls that

513
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Speaker 1: it's wonderful to be a celebrity and to be a

514
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Speaker 1: rock star. And I would I would love to see

515
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Speaker 1: some shows come out in the next bunch of years

516
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Speaker 1: that show little girls how awesome it is to be

517
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Speaker 1: an anthropologist and a scientist and a doctor. Um. Sorry,

518
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Speaker 1: I just went off on a person I agree with that. Well,

519
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: we want to see those films too, By the way,

520
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Speaker 1: Let's make them one of the cool things about having

521
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: the podcast. One of the many cool things is that

522
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: before we go on the air, we very often get

523
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: to hear what the writers are actually working on but

524
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: they can't talk about yet. And uh, there will be

525
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: some of those projects they are coming just a little

526
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of good news. Um oh good,

527
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about good news. So I'm immediately going to

528
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: steer the conversation to something negative. Um So, there was

529
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: a recent post over on people Say to Women Directors,

530
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: which is a really interesting but really distressing tumbler. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It called out a sexism in the script notes, particularly

532
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Speaker 1: in particular. Have any of you guys experienced anything like that,

533
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: especially with any strong female characters or female driven relationships

534
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: you might be creating. I. Um So, I'm in the

535
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Speaker 1: process of making my first feature film right now and

536
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: it is out. It is from the female perspective. The

537
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: majority of the cast is made up of women, young women,

538
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: and it is about you know, sexuality, young female sexuality

539
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: and a very uh big deal. Exact read the script

540
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: which was a very exciting um and told us in

541
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: a critical way, did we know that this movie was

542
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: very much from the female perspective, which I wish had

543
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: been in an email, because I would have printed it

544
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Speaker 1: and framed it and put it on my wall. Uh

545
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: you got it, you got it. Yes it is. But

546
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, he's the head of a

547
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: huge company and he doesn't even realize that every movie

548
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: he's ever seen has been from the male perspective and

549
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: has the balls to like to say that two people

550
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: who are trying to do something else, Um, yeah, how

551
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: do you? How did you respond? How do you handle

552
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: a situation like that gracefully? I just kind of laughed.

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00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: I was like, this is great, thank you. Uh, that

554
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: is in fact the story. So if that's a negative,

555
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: then I think we're not going to work together. I've

556
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: had more frustrating experiences of late having other female creators

557
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: tell me that they're not feminists, which you know, that's

558
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: a that's a whole can of worms that we could

559
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: get into for days. But it's, uh, it's really frustrating

560
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: as things sort of as we're experiencing this see change hopefully,

561
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: um that I think women get mixed up about like that.

562
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: They think that, oh, if you're a feminist, that means

563
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: that you hate men and you don't want men to

564
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: be working as much as your you know, the thing

565
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: that they feel that they have to join the boys

566
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: club in order to be cool or really successful. I'm

567
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: very excited about seeing Magic Mike. Yeah, I'm hoping that

568
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: that mentality dies. I met as just like a small aside.

569
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: I was at a union. I won't say which guild,

570
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: but I was at one of the guilds at a

571
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: meeting and talking to one of the many people who

572
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: runs a women the women's section, and uh, I started,

573
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: I said something with the word feminist in it, and

574
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: she told me that she wasn't a feminist. And I

575
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: just think any sense like that, you know, what do

576
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: you say and that scenario, You're like, oh good, you're

577
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: the one fighting for me. Okay, yeah yeah. My My

578
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: problem in that regard is as an action writer, I

579
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: got told a lot early on, I can't write I

580
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't write action films with female leads because no one

581
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: is going to buy them, no one is going to

582
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: watch them. They're not gonna make any money. But that

583
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: was before the Hunger Games and Gravity He and Divergent,

584
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: President and Divergent, and now there's been a ton of them,

585
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: and now those people have stopped telling me that. But

586
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: I've even had people in the business tell me that

587
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: I needed to write more things with white male leads

588
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: to prove that I could, because it was like, well,

589
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: if you only write women, how do we know you

590
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: can write men? Um? Yeah, and are they giving men

591
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: the same time? Hey, can you write us a femalely

592
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: just so we know you can do it? Because women

593
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: are like aliens, You guys, they're really hard. What was

594
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: the you don't have to say this if you don't

595
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: want to, and you don't have to, don't name the writer,

596
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: but the cars thing? Oh yeah, A specific a list

597
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: writer whose movie you have seen. I guarantee you um

598
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: makes a zillion dollars a year, he basically said to me.

599
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: Um Once, when I was talking about the screenwriting and

600
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: how there were fewer women in screenwriting professionally, he said, well,

601
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: the reason is that women just don't have what it

602
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: takes to sleep in cars. Uh. Men apparently are willing

603
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: to sacrifice and women aren't, was his points. Yeah, we're

604
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: really bad at sacrificing thing. You know, We're really a

605
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: selfish gender. I also know a ton of mouth screenwriters

606
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: sleeping in cars currently. Everybody lately, dude, probably never slept

607
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: in a car and right now for script, Yes, yeah,

608
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: he's very rich, oh man. Or maybe we're just better

609
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: at finding like comfortable places and generally taking care of ourselves.

610
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: Fun to be a pofecial screenwriter unless you've been homeless

611
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: first to And we're going to talk more with Chicksie

612
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Speaker 1: Script after a quick break. So is being a loud

613
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Speaker 1: and proud feminists as I as I see happening in

614
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: the snapshots that I do see of where when I

615
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: learn on screenwriting Twitter? Um, is it a liability at

616
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: all within the industry? Do you get branded in a

617
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: way or is it just more something that people unnecessarily

618
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: try to avoid. Well, none of us works in the

619
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: studio system. Yeah, so it's hard to it's really hard

620
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: to say. I don't know. Yeah again, like yeah, my

621
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: experience is relatively in terms of areas where that might happen,

622
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: My experience is pretty limited. Um, because I tend my

623
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: stuff tends to be if it's going into bigger hands,

624
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: people with money, they've they know my work and they

625
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: are like excited to be working with me. So, um,

626
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, I've had We've watched some people who swing

627
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: sort of to the way other side of things, who

628
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: are like deeply using feminism, like maybe in a not

629
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: some way it get putting a respond and blacklisted. But

630
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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's I don't believe that that's

631
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: based on their feminism. I think they're based on general attitude. Yeah,

632
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: there's Um, did you guys see I wish I could

633
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: remember the name of the guy, interestingly enough who made

634
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: this little doc. But it's a video about the discrimination

635
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: against female directors in Hollywood. Yeah, Celluloid Feelings, thank you. Yeah,

636
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: and it is on Bloomberg. So I think I know

637
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: all of those women except for one. UM, and they

638
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: will tell you that they have I mean, and they

639
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: do in the video tell you that they've experienced blacklisting.

640
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: So there are definitely those who have experienced it, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably the women who have been the

642
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Speaker 1: most outspoken. But then we also know women who have

643
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Speaker 1: been on the podcast who say that they not that

644
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Speaker 1: they haven't experienced it. I think you'd be hard pressed

645
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Speaker 1: to find a woman in this industry who hasn't experienced sexism,

646
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: although maybe they don't realize they've experienced sexism. Um, there

647
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: was a writer who came on who I won't name,

648
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Speaker 1: but she said that she couldn't talk about the she

649
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Speaker 1: couldn't really talk about the treatment that she got because

650
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Speaker 1: she was worried that she would be kicked off the

651
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Speaker 1: studio job she had right um, but that it had

652
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: been very misogynistic and that she had just like you know,

653
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Speaker 1: thought to be strong about it and sort of push

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Speaker 1: her way through and not ruffled too many feathers and

655
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Speaker 1: that being yeah, there is still definitely an attitude of

656
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Speaker 1: that you need to smile and play nice, and even

657
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: if you are outspoken on various platforms, if you if

658
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Speaker 1: you don't really don't really wanted to come up when

659
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Speaker 1: you're going into big time meetings and stuff. So so yeah,

660
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: it's still I think a tricky area. There's an element

661
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Speaker 1: of that. Um. I just have an image of like

662
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Speaker 1: some male exact bringing you onto the project act and

663
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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we just really needed a feminine perspective

664
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Speaker 1: on this. You know, you're great, cutie, and then take

665
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Speaker 1: a seat and you kind of just like, do you

666
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Speaker 1: criticize the person the exact for calling you cutie which

667
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Speaker 1: he would never say to a mail writer ever, or

668
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Speaker 1: a light your heart, sweetheart, giving you a hug. I've

669
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Speaker 1: heard a lot of times that, like, you know, you'll

670
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Speaker 1: go into the meeting as a woman and the executive

671
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Speaker 1: will try and give you a hug, which you would

672
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Speaker 1: never do. Also, but do you make a stink about

673
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Speaker 1: that or do you take the job because they have

674
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Speaker 1: made the effort to hire a woman and then on

675
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Speaker 1: the next job not work with that person. That's um,

676
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Speaker 1: I think that is the line that probably most people

677
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Speaker 1: are walking. And that's what's kind of achey is should

678
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Speaker 1: we be grateful that they've given us opportunities even though

679
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Speaker 1: we're women? Right? Yeah? Stuff, Yeah, well too start closing

680
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Speaker 1: things on high note because as obviously because we don't

681
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: want to, we don't want to discourage all of the

682
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, the hopeful screenwriters listening. Most of our episodes

683
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: at least lately have been really positive. Like I mean,

684
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: I went home from our last recording and immediately launched

685
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Speaker 1: myself into two new projects and now I'm overloaded work

686
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Speaker 1: good job me, um. But it was because we're we

687
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: get inspired most of the time. Most of our stuff

688
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: is it started a little dark, but like you said,

689
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Speaker 1: I think that over the course of the last year

690
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: we now have really gotten into a positive place. Yeah,

691
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Speaker 1: we've seen a big evolution. I would be interested to

692
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Speaker 1: go back and actually listen, um in what the conversation

693
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Speaker 1: is like, and the and the opportunities for women are getting,

694
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Speaker 1: at least from where we stand noticeably larger, higher profile.

695
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Speaker 1: It is a pretty exciting time to be involved. So community,

696
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Speaker 1: if you are a lady thinking about writing right now

697
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: at the time, ye oh, I was just gonna ask

698
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Speaker 1: who y'all as role models are. Who are the women

699
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: in Hollywood or outside of Hollywood who you look to

700
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: to stay inspired and motivated? And yeah, Gina Davis, Diablo, Cody, Shanda,

701
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Speaker 1: Genji Cohen. Yeah, oh my god, Ava Verne like a beacon.

702
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: She's like she's killing it and it's so inspiring on

703
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: a daily basis. Christ And Smith who wrote Ten Things

704
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Speaker 1: I Hate About You and Legally Blonde awesome. Um, I

705
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Speaker 1: don't know, there's a there's a lot of people. I mean,

706
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Speaker 1: Jill Soloway, I mean, just watched that woman talk. If

707
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Speaker 1: you want to get inspired? Who else? Tina and we

708
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: could go on all day long. But that's great. I

709
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: mean that's great that you could go on all day long.

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Speaker 1: It would have been really kind of discouraging if you

711
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Speaker 1: listed two names only one lady. Yeah, uh no, there's

712
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there who are Lindy Kaling,

713
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Speaker 1: Liz Merryweather. Oh yeah, yeah, a lot of amazing women working,

714
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Speaker 1: particularly in television. Um. There's a lot of female showrunners

715
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Speaker 1: who have who started with one show and now run Empire.

716
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Speaker 1: It's like Shonda, like Julie Pleck, Megan Allison, who is

717
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Speaker 1: playing it with bringing like really great content, Yeah, into

718
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Speaker 1: the world. Is there are there any projects coming up

719
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Speaker 1: from any of these women that you list as inspirations

720
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Speaker 1: that you're super excited about. There's one project coming up

721
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Speaker 1: from a runner we had on our show that we

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Speaker 1: can't talk about. Well, so to the answer is yes,

723
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Speaker 1: about We're just going to release an episode of us

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Speaker 1: screaming Alison's less oh Schroder, okay, so yeah, keep an

725
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Speaker 1: eye on Allison Schroder. Everybody wink wink Hardy here first book? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well okay, so Um Dylan Meyer, who's a friend of

727
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Speaker 1: mine and she was on the podcast, Who's very cool

728
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Speaker 1: punk rock lady writer Um has a movie coming out

729
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Speaker 1: through Netflix called XO x O. UM, it's gonna be

730
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Speaker 1: really cool. Well, well, how about you guys, what's what's

731
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Speaker 1: up next for you guys. I'm making a film that

732
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Speaker 1: will hopefully shoot at the end of this summer called

733
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Speaker 1: The Bang Bang Girls, which is what I referred to earlier. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And that is the movie from the Female Perspective Prospective movie. UM.

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Speaker 1: I just directed a series that I did not write. UM.

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Speaker 1: Melanie w Recker wrote it. UM called The Friendless Five.

737
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Speaker 1: And it's a teen adventure series like a female Goonies. UM.

738
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Speaker 1: And that should be maybe really celine around November ish. UM,

739
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Speaker 1: but we're it might be coming out through some fancier platforms,

740
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Speaker 1: in which case I don't know when it will come out. UM.

741
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Speaker 1: And I'm really excited because my short film that I

742
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Speaker 1: finished in late is screening for the inaugural um Muff

743
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Speaker 1: Society event in San Francisco next week. UM. And it's

744
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Speaker 1: opening for Roman and Michell's high School Reunion, which is

745
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: one of my fairite movies about female friendship. UM. Yeah,

746
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Speaker 1: that's kind of what's going on with me. UM. I'm

747
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Speaker 1: lately am producing. I'm still right, but I'm determined to

748
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Speaker 1: write and produce a feature about a heavy set black

749
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Speaker 1: lesbian action movie. I mean, the movie is not a

750
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Speaker 1: heavy set black lesbian. The protagonist set lesbian because I

751
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Speaker 1: feel like that's the thing that no one would ever

752
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Speaker 1: ever do, and so I'm determined to do it. But

753
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Speaker 1: what mostly I'm producing right now? I may have a

754
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Speaker 1: short film about Dr Who fans and cost players that's

755
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: actually gonna screen at dragon Con Film Festival in September,

756
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Speaker 1: so a comic bookie, go see our movie, um, and

757
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: I will be there. Um. And I'm working on a

758
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Speaker 1: TV series, script TV series, a reality series, and another

759
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Speaker 1: friend short film, producing and writing depending on the project.

760
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Speaker 1: Just want swamped with paperwork today. Well, in the meantime,

761
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Speaker 1: where can people go to find more info about you?

762
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Speaker 1: And follow you on Twitter? If you would like them to?

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Speaker 1: We would love that man. We are at CWS podcast

764
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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Um, we are www dot chicks who script

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can also find us on the CWS

766
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Speaker 1: podcast handle on Instagram and Facebook, and we all have

767
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: individual twitters. Mine is at Bamboo Killer. Also my company

768
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: is called bear Trap Films. There's not a lot to

769
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Speaker 1: it right now, but that's what I'm just getting started.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Facebook and Twitter, uh, and I am at

771
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Speaker 1: Maggie Levin on Twitter and fun Ruiner Films dot com.

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Speaker 1: And I am at Lauren Shocker on Twitter. That's this

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Speaker 1: h two of them. And then y'all can like my

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Speaker 1: film on Facebook, The Bang Bang Girls. That's that's it.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of internet for You're so much.

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Speaker 1: It's so good. Um. Well, is there anything that we

777
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Speaker 1: did not ask you about or touch on that you

778
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Speaker 1: would like to add before we go? I would just

779
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Speaker 1: say for for all of your listeners, of course, if

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Speaker 1: you're thinking about writing, give it a give it a whirl, ma'am. Um.

781
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: And particularly if you are a girl, there's a lot

782
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: of resources out there to help you, um, especially if

783
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: you're well, even if you're not in the l A area,

784
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: there's so many mentorship programs that are coming up. There's

785
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: such an incredible community of female filmmakers that are really

786
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: trying to help each other out right now that if

787
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Speaker 1: you've even thought about dipping a toe in and we're

788
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Speaker 1: too afraid about beating the odds, uh, you know, if

789
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Speaker 1: you've got the mindset for it and you feel inspired

790
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: to tell stories, there's a lot of girls out there

791
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: who really want to help each other up the ladder. Definitely,

792
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: And if you're in Los Angeles or New York, there

793
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: are tons of like physical groups of women who meet

794
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: up on a regular basis. One is Film fatal Is,

795
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: although that's directors only. Obviously, women in film has its

796
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: own things, but there's also women in Moving Pictures out

797
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: here in l A, which is run by the amazing

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00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: Emily Best run Set and Dark. Um, if you're not

799
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: checking out what Emily Best He's doing, you should absolutely also,

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Speaker 1: I let's say people sometimes you guys may know this

801
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: because I answer all the emails people emails a lot

802
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: for advice as podcast at chicksu script dot com. Um,

803
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: if you want advice, I usually if I don't know

804
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: the answer, will point you to a place that will

805
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: give you the answer. So feel free to email us

806
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: and ask questions. And then the cool thing about living

807
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: in the Internet era is access. Uh. It's so easy

808
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: to self educate about how to be a screenwriter nowadays.

809
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: And there's so many people out there who are willing

810
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: to answer your questions just on the spot. So and

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Speaker 1: there are so many scripts that you can read, and

812
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: if you want to write, you should be read reading great.

813
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: And if you are a male writer and you're like,

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Speaker 1: how does this apply to me? No rape? No rape?

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Speaker 1: Please we're done with rape. But also if you, I mean,

816
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Speaker 1: just like, take one of those characters you've written as

817
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: a dude and just make it a woman. It's not

818
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: men and women aren't that different. In fact, you might

819
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: get a really interesting perspective out of that character because

820
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: you probably wrote that character as yourself, and now it

821
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Speaker 1: could be a woman, and you could really be helping

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Speaker 1: some boys and girls who are going to be watching

823
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Speaker 1: your film one day. As I have a Yeah, one

824
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Speaker 1: of my biggest issues is background characters being women. A

825
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Speaker 1: lot of times, if you need a doctor or a mechanic,

826
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Speaker 1: it's always a dude. Secondary characters. Every character in a

827
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Speaker 1: lot of movies, every character who is a woman is

828
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Speaker 1: the only woman because she has to be she's a

829
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Speaker 1: white or mother or girlfriend or whatever. Make good, just

830
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Speaker 1: a random character woman who doesn't have to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I also, gosh, this is a lot. Sorry they

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Speaker 1: talk forever, guys. I think I think it's also important

833
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Speaker 1: to note that, as much as we are deeply craving

834
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Speaker 1: strong female characters, not every woman in your script has

835
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Speaker 1: to be a super ninja genius exactly. Women can very stupid,

836
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Speaker 1: just as much as they can be brilliant. Guys. Women

837
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Speaker 1: can be guys and bad guys. Women can be all

838
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Speaker 1: of the things. In fact, did you know women are

839
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Speaker 1: fifty percent of the world's popular than wait what hold on,

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Speaker 1: it's mind blowing. You heard it here first, you guys. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks again so much to Lauren, Emily and Maggie for

842
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: taking the time to talk with us. Caroline, I don't

843
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Speaker 1: know about you, but I feel like I have some

844
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: insider knowledge on Hollywood now that I didn't have before,

845
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: and also on screenwriting Twitter. I know, I think I'm

846
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: going to start lurking. Yeah, might as well, just to

847
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: just to see what's going on. Let's just you know,

848
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Speaker 1: lark maybe tweeter thing too. It would also be nice

849
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Speaker 1: to to get a perspective on things that are happening

850
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Speaker 1: in Hollywood and in the film industry that aren't just

851
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Speaker 1: like weird celebrity feuds, things that are actually a little

852
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Speaker 1: more interesting to read about well, And it's it's so

853
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Speaker 1: informative to know what's going on at this background knowledge

854
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Speaker 1: level to help all of these headlines that we do

855
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Speaker 1: see about just women in Hollywood in general, pay gaps, representation,

856
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Speaker 1: female ghostbusters, etcetera. It's helpful to note what is really happening,

857
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Speaker 1: especially when you aren't necessarily uh, super top dog a lister. Yeah,

858
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: and I mean I think plenty of the of the

859
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Speaker 1: perspective that they gave is helpful to people, whether you

860
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Speaker 1: want to be in screenwriting or not, especially the stuff

861
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Speaker 1: about you know, they mentioned that guy who up and

862
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Speaker 1: quit his job and said, I'm going to give writing

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Speaker 1: a year. I'm just gonna try it for a year

864
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Speaker 1: and if it doesn't work out, then I'm going back

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Speaker 1: to my day job. And of course when it didn't

866
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Speaker 1: work out and he goes back to his day job, um,

867
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Speaker 1: it was like he almost set himself up for failure.

868
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Speaker 1: And I think that's a great story for really anyone

869
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Speaker 1: who wants to give any dream a shot, that you

870
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Speaker 1: have to sort of give yourself a little bit more

871
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Speaker 1: credit and a little bit more time. Yeah, maybe you

872
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Speaker 1: don't put a time limit on your in your dream. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll be sure. Friends to head over to Chicks who

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Speaker 1: Script dot com to learn more about Maggie, Emily, and

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Speaker 1: Lauren and also of course listen to their podcasts, and

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Speaker 1: you can find links to their website to where you

877
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Speaker 1: can listen to the podcast and also to all of

878
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Speaker 1: their twitters on this podcast post at stuff mom never

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Speaker 1: told you dot com and we'd also love to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. Was this an inspirational conversation for anyone listening.

881
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Speaker 1: I know that we have some filmmakers and screenwriters in

882
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Speaker 1: our audience, so we would love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Mom Stuff at how stuff Works dot com is our

884
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Speaker 1: email address. You can also tweet us at mom Stuff

885
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: podcast or messages on Facebook and quickly. I just want

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Speaker 1: to give a shout out to all of the fantastic

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Speaker 1: podcasters who talked to us this summer for our hashtag

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Speaker 1: podcasting women and Brian Sofie Ferries. It's been a blast

889
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Speaker 1: really getting to know some other people who are talking

890
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Speaker 1: to the Internet audio waves like we are. And we've

891
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Speaker 1: got a couple of messages to share with you right now. Well,

892
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Speaker 1: I have a letter here from Christie in regards to

893
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Speaker 1: our female urination Device episode. Uh, it's pretty technical. She's

894
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Speaker 1: got some advice for how to use them, she says. Hi, ladies,

895
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Speaker 1: I'm a PhD student in the biological science is I've

896
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Speaker 1: been listening to your podcast for several years now while

897
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Speaker 1: working in the lab. Thanks for making such an informative

898
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: and amusing podcast. It's helped me through many hours of

899
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Speaker 1: tedious experiments. Well you're welcome, Christie, thanks for taking us along.

900
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Speaker 1: So anyway, she says, when I heard the FUD podcast,

901
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: I was super excited, and you know, I finally had

902
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: a good excuse to write in. As you mentioned several

903
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: times during your show, floods are great for camping. I

904
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Speaker 1: purchased one a few months ago for a five day

905
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Speaker 1: backpacking trip. I decided to take along of FUD for

906
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Speaker 1: several reasons. First, I did not want to carry toilet

907
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Speaker 1: paper with me. Second, I didn't want to expose my

908
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Speaker 1: rear ind to mosquito and took bites. Third, I find

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Speaker 1: it difficult to keep splashes away from my shoes when

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Speaker 1: popping a squat. I settled on the Shewy brand because

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Speaker 1: it had an extension tube and a carrying case. Since

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Speaker 1: I was wearing the same pant for five days, I

913
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Speaker 1: didn't want any splashes on it or my hiking boots.

914
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Speaker 1: The extension tube was really helpful with this. The carrying

915
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Speaker 1: case allowed me to stash the FUD in an exterior,

916
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Speaker 1: easy access pocket without worrying the guys on the trip

917
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Speaker 1: seeing it. Okay, now, of the good part. I had

918
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Speaker 1: the fud a few weeks before we left for the trip.

919
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: I practiced in the shower the first time, and that

920
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Speaker 1: was quite easy. The following few days, I used the

921
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Speaker 1: food each time I urinated at home and stood over

922
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Speaker 1: the toilet. The first few times I was standing, I

923
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Speaker 1: still pulled my garments to my knees. After getting the

924
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Speaker 1: knack of aiming at the toilet, I needed to practice

925
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Speaker 1: while wearing my hiking gear. So the first time using

926
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Speaker 1: the FUD while wearing my hiking pant is where this

927
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Speaker 1: story gets amusingly embarrassing. Imagining this is how I would

928
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Speaker 1: use the food out in the woods. I did the

929
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: following unbuttoned and unzipped the fly, but leave the pant

930
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Speaker 1: at waist level, stand above the toilet, was slightly bit knees,

931
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Speaker 1: position the FUD against my body, and think of waterfalls.

932
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Speaker 1: I'd used the fud successfully half a dozen times already

933
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Speaker 1: without issue, but wearing my hiking pant while using the

934
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Speaker 1: FUD caused me to hold it at a slightly backward

935
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Speaker 1: angle thanks to gravity. My YearIn did not run down

936
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Speaker 1: the funnel, but down my legs. So here I am

937
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Speaker 1: a twentysomething early career professional having ped my panties. Luckily,

938
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Speaker 1: my husband was not yet home and I didn't have

939
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Speaker 1: to admit to him my mess. Needless to say, I

940
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Speaker 1: had to spend the next half hour mopping up the

941
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Speaker 1: bathroom and doing laundry. I did learn from the incident

942
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Speaker 1: of the material of my pants pretty stiff. I still

943
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Speaker 1: had to shimmy dan while using the fud, but my

944
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: rear end stays covered by my underwear and it's just

945
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: pushed to the side while using the FUD. I haven't

946
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Speaker 1: told anyone this yet, but if you want to share

947
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: my funny story on your podcast, that's fine. Keep up

948
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: the great work. You ladies are fantastic. And she has

949
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Speaker 1: a ps. She says, I like to say pant Stacy

950
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Speaker 1: London style, and that's a pet peeve of one of you, right,

951
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Speaker 1: And I think that hearkens back to an old episode

952
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Speaker 1: for like a long ago episode, where I'm pretty sure

953
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Speaker 1: I was the one who said that pant. The use

954
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Speaker 1: of the word pant irks me. Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm in

955
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Speaker 1: the camp of if Stacy London says it, it's good

956
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Speaker 1: enough for me. God, I just love her. She has

957
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: my aspirational gray streak. It's a it's a great streak.

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Speaker 1: It's a great gray streak. All minds coming into my

959
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: side burns. What the heck that's also distinguished? This? Yeah, great,

960
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: great chops. Awesome. Well thanks Christy. So I have a

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Speaker 1: letter here from Beth actually about a stuff I'm never

962
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: told you YouTube video that recently came out, in which

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00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: I write an email from a fella who thinks I

964
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: look horrible with makeup on. And this is something that

965
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: will happen. If you spend enough time putting your face

966
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Speaker 1: with makeup on the internet, you will get lots of

967
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Speaker 1: guys um thinking they're being kind and telling you that

968
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Speaker 1: you don't need makeup. So, Beth Rights, I really enjoyed

969
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Speaker 1: your latest video addressing men who criticize women pouring makeup.

970
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Speaker 1: As someone who considers makeup a bit of a hobby,

971
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Speaker 1: I find it really startling to see what feels like

972
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Speaker 1: a large amount of men and probably women, to feeling

973
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Speaker 1: the need to criticize not only you, but many women

974
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Speaker 1: on YouTube in particular for wearing makeup. I subscribe to

975
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Speaker 1: a number of beauty bloggers, and I can't imagine how

976
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Speaker 1: hurtful it must be to these women and men who

977
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Speaker 1: are trained and professional makeup artists to be told how

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Speaker 1: they look ugly or weird with makeup. Interesting enough, a

979
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Speaker 1: number of these women also seem to be criticized when

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: they appear bare faced as well. Yes, in fact, that

981
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: does happen. So apparently, for as many people out there

982
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Speaker 1: that hate honest ladies for having makeup on, there are

983
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Speaker 1: just as many willing to rip into us for going natural. Personally,

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Speaker 1: I think spending that extra time on myself both in

985
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Speaker 1: the morning and in the evening to remove my makeup

986
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Speaker 1: has really helped boost my overall self confidence and body image.

987
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: That time of the day is mine, no one is

988
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: there to bother me, and I feel like I can

989
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: really just be alone with myself, literally staring myself in

990
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Speaker 1: the face and taking the time to appreciate how I

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Speaker 1: look with and without makeup. For me, it's like my

992
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Speaker 1: version of meditation and my time to give myself a

993
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Speaker 1: pep talk and work through any negative feelings I might

994
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Speaker 1: have about myself. For those that don't wear makeup or

995
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Speaker 1: don't get what the big deal is, I liken this

996
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Speaker 1: to exercise. So many people seem to accuse those of

997
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: us that wear makeup of doing it for other people,

998
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: even if we insist we do it for ourselves. The

999
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: same is true for exercise. You could tell me you

1000
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Speaker 1: love the rush of endorphins, the health benefits, or whatever,

1001
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: but I could turn around and say you do it

1002
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: to look good to other people. And there is certainly

1003
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: some truth in that, just as there isn't wearing makeup.

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00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: Who hasn't hit the gym a little harder when someone

1005
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: turned you down for a date. You might do it

1006
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: for yourself, but maybe deep inside you also hope you'll

1007
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: look good to those around you. But at the end

1008
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: of the day, it's not about your outward appearance, and

1009
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be someone out there detracting from what

1010
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: you look like, whether it's because you're too thin, too fat,

1011
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: too made up, to plain, et cetera. But to me,

1012
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Speaker 1: if you feel good, you'll look good, because the real

1013
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: you is there when you feel your best makeup or

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Speaker 1: no makeup, or at least I like to think so

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Speaker 1: so thank you so much, Beth. I agree with your

1016
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Speaker 1: stance on makeup, and she says, ps, I happen to

1017
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: think red lipstick really suits you. So thank you, Beth,

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Speaker 1: and my lipstick thanks you too. And if you have

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