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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to Stephane never

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Speaker 1: told your production of I Heart Radio, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna call this a new ish

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Speaker 1: kind of segment for the Monday Mini because we've done

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Speaker 1: our shorter episodes where we talk about current events, current

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Speaker 1: issues and all of that. But you also know, I

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Speaker 1: am addicted to TikTok and I am on a lot

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Speaker 1: of controversial TikTok side, so like you have specific algorithms

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Speaker 1: that sticks to you. It's quite funny because people make

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Speaker 1: jokes of like, apparently TikTok things. I'm a lesbian introvert

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Speaker 1: But you know, I find a lot of things fascinating

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Speaker 1: which I send to you often. Um that happens on

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Speaker 1: TikTok and so media, and I know we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a fun episode coming up. Correct. I think we've already

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Speaker 1: recorded with Bridget talking about social media and some of

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Speaker 1: the new things that is happening that kind of seems

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Speaker 1: to be going in reverse to what we know we

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Speaker 1: being the millennials are for me, elder millennials. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear that again to what we began. So

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Speaker 1: Facebook was what our first social media presence, and it

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Speaker 1: is quickly kind of becoming like a boomer thing somehow,

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Speaker 1: and the rest of us have slowly, like quietly quit

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Speaker 1: from Facebook. I think we still have accounts, but we

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Speaker 1: and that was a big thing and trying to keep

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Speaker 1: up with that. Oh no, my Space, I forgot. I

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Speaker 1: keep forgetting about my Space. Did you have on MySpace? No?

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Speaker 1: But I like hearing my Space. I wasn't too young,

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Speaker 1: but I was just a late adopter to everything. So

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Speaker 1: I think when I in high school phone got it,

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Speaker 1: but I never got it. Okay, um. Yeah, So there's

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Speaker 1: so many things and because of that, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I want to have a Samantha's Corner. Samantha's rant. Uh

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Speaker 1: that's not specifically like the happy hours where we talk

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Speaker 1: about emotions. We're gonna talk about things that pop up

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is this and let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: And I know those articles out there and there are

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Speaker 1: about this, and this one has been on our plate

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Speaker 1: for a while, Like I was like, I need to

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Speaker 1: do this, um, And it's the call out culture in

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Speaker 1: social media. And I'm going to kind of go in

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Speaker 1: between call out culture, cancel culture, and accountability. So these

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Speaker 1: three things kind of start blurring lines. Um, but for

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Speaker 1: now we'll just call it call out culture. And Annie,

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Speaker 1: have you seen any of it? Like I know people

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Speaker 1: send you TikTok's. Do you have you seen any of

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Speaker 1: that would be call out videos? You think? No? Uh no,

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Speaker 1: I I know people. And again this is we've talked

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Speaker 1: can be scary. But I've never heard I don't think

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Speaker 1: I will. That's an assignment I'm going to take on.

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Speaker 1: And this definition comes out of the dictionary from Cambridge

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Speaker 1: dot org and it says call out culture is a

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Speaker 1: way of behaving in society or group in which people

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that has happened since the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: all these things that have happened, and we get with

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Speaker 1: these people. Of course, again this kind of varies into

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Speaker 1: is that cancel culture kind of in between and just

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Speaker 1: as a reminder, cancel culture, which is defined by Mariam Webster,

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Speaker 1: the practice or tendency of engaging mass canceling as a

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Speaker 1: But it's very interesting because I was the verse one

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Speaker 1: But it's become such a point of entertainment. I'm starting

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Speaker 1: to wonder is this a good thing? And in a

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Speaker 1: of a time what you've seen a person get justice.

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