1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: I've never told you your production of high Radio today 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: is Thursday, which means it is time for another happy hour. 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: As always, drink responsibly if you choose to do so. 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: Why are you drinking, Samantha, I'm keeping it simple for 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: this sad, sad hour, unhappy hour, okay hour. Oh it's 7 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: an okay hour. Okay. I assumed at being Annie's corner 8 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: would be an unhappy hour, but I guess it is 9 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: a neutral hour. It's an ups and downs hour, but 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: it's actually going to be all right, ups and downs. 11 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: You're ready for the troller coaster. I am drinking a Seltzer, 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: just a strawberry lemonade Seltzer, keeping it easy going summary 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: in this day much of a rainstorm because the hurricane 14 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: has come through for those of you out in New 15 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: Orleans and Louisiana. Were thinking about you and hope you're safe, 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, what about you? I am drinking a dag 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: of a slug slicker, which if you could see, it's 18 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: greenish blue. Nice. Yes, because I celebrated a friend's birthday 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: and my birthday last weekend by staying in and eating 20 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot of Star Wars themes, foods, and watching a 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: lot of Star Wars and drinking some Star Wars drinks. 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: And our friend and colleague Collie Fry, who was on 23 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: this happy hour before to talk about um Star Wars 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: among many things, sent me all of these recommendations. Of course. 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Oh yes, And so this is from the Galaxy's Edge cookbook, 26 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: which I did get for my birthday. Yeah, it's essentially 27 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: a margarita. It's it's tequila and then blue girls out 28 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: for the color just a little bit, and then a 29 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: little bit of water and lime juice and then kind 30 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: of a rosemary ginger simple syrup. Mine, for some reason, 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: is much bluer than the picture in the book. And 32 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: I can't figure out where I went wrong, but something 33 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: is wry. And then I put blackberries in there. Is 34 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: it supposed to be blue? It's supposed to be green. 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: Oh so something with the blue curse. I was supposed 36 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: to do something, and it's not happening in mine. It's 37 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: still a cool color. Maybe you didn't put enough lime juice. 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm put in a lot of lime juice because it 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: is a little bit sweeter than I normally would drink. 40 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: And so I added a lot more. And also I'm 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: drinking out of the glass you got Me, which is 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: the last of us two glass and it says, if 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I ever were to lose you, I truly lose myself, 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: which is this very sad song slash quote. The whole movie, 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: the whole movie. See, it's a movie. It's a game experience. 46 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: You take it in like a movie. So there's I do. 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: I do, And that's one of the reasons I wanted 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: to talk about what we're talking about today, which is 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: my experience caused playing as a woman, because I have 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: been working on an Ellie from the Last of Us 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: to cos play, which is barely simple costume wise, and 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons I've said before, I wear 53 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: a lot of costumes for work, and I am currently 54 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: scheduled to speak at Dragon Cord, which I'm still I 55 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen, but um, it just got 56 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: me thinking about all of this, and I know I've 57 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: touched on it before, but I want to talk about 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: it because I do. I'm actually kind of shy, and 59 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: when I do cosplay, it is it does take a minute, 60 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: like I have to get over kind of an embarrassment. 61 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: But I feel if I can do that, then it 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: it is a wonderful experience of feeling like someone else 63 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: for a minute, just really like really really For me, 64 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: it feels like really empowering. But that being said, there 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: is a long history of women cosplaying kind of being 66 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: relegated into two categories, and it really annoys me because 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: we've talked about gatekeeping when it comes to fandom, and 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: cosplay is generally seen as more of a woman's area, 69 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: um and I think everyone knows we just in case 70 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: you don't. Cosplay is like costuming. It generally has some 71 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: element of like your behaving as that character, but it 72 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: doesn't always. I think a lot of times it just 73 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: gets thrown around as you make this costume to be 74 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: this character. But the two categories I was talking about, 75 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: I feel like women are relegated to is either sexy 76 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: or funny, right, and it's you can't be anything in between, 77 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 1: which is that, you know, not unique to nerd culture 78 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: or at all. Like I know, it's been an ongoing 79 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: conversation around Halloween costumes even of just the options that 80 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: are available for women, and I think when it comes 81 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: to the sexualized aspect, it's really unfortunate for a lot 82 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: of reasons, because there are plenty of time when I 83 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: feel like I have to make considerations in costumes that 84 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: other like dudes don't have to make of how is 85 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: this going to be perceived? And as sometimes I even 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: think about what what does this costume mean? Like if 87 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to be this character, is it in some 88 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 1: way like not feminist or like the way I would 89 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: wear it, is it not feminist? No matter what you do, 90 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: you're going to be sexualized. So there have been times, 91 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: because I think it's no secret that I have worn 92 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: a lot of like the Winter Soldiers, the one I'm 93 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: known for, and that one it can be seen as sexy. 94 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't really my intent, but you know, it's like 95 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: a little weather and it's pretty tight. And then I've 96 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: done like Catwoman, just also got a little other and 97 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: then right now I'm working on like Luke Skywalker, and 98 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: I've got my helicost tube and my Harley Quinn costume. 99 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: But all of that, if you wear something like that, 100 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: which that's also called gender bending, is when you dress 101 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: as a gender that is not your own, of character 102 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: who identifies as different gender than your own. I feel 103 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: like there's this judgment that happens where usually men are 104 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: angry with you or look down on you for sexualizing 105 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: their favorite character or somehow making them like more effeminate 106 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: in quotes, are weaker by being a woman dressing as this, 107 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: like that's ridiculous. A woman could never do what this 108 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: character does. And then like I'll never forget one time 109 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: I was like, I was dressed as catwoman and I 110 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: got so many sexual comments, like so so so many. 111 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: This one guy came up to me and he just said, 112 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: like in the grossest like lurious voice ever, like you 113 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: know what you're doing? And I was like what, yeah. 114 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: And it's like, if you dressed that way, you have 115 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: to expect that. That seems to be the vibe. It's like, well, 116 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: you dressed like that, so this is the attention you're 117 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: going to get it you knew what you were doing. Yeah, 118 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: it's gross. It's gross. And then there's another aspect of 119 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: it of if you're dressed as a character, people will 120 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: ask to take pictures with you, and you would well 121 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: you probably would believe it, but I have gotten asked 122 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: to you all kinds of like positions and like they 123 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: just want this picture with their character, but it's like 124 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: I don't feel like you'd ask that of them, really don't. 125 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, there's like, well, what 126 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: if children see me and I don't want and I'm like, hey, 127 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: that I have to think about that at all. But 128 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't want them to see this like interactions and 129 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: think like this is normal or this is what should 130 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: be accepted or expected. But at the same time, if 131 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: I want to dress sexually, then I want to just sexily, 132 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: like I don't all these considerations, And the only way 133 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: to escape that is to do like the other total 134 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: opposite into the sect room and do something really funny 135 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: where you're not sexual at all, so hopefully you can 136 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: escape this kind of attention. I mean, that's a whole 137 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: other conversation too of like what costumes, How costume design 138 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: for women has been in generally sexy, so like what's 139 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: available to you to choose from sex and so we 140 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: talked about that really tell me more. It essentially was 141 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: Halloween and the costumes were I think like sexy cat 142 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: or oh frumby which or something like that. Essentially, let's 143 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: say either you're one or the other, and you can't 144 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: there's and they're like Yep, you just said a whole 145 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: mouthful right there. Yeah, it's essentially. Yeah, we talked about 146 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: that all the time, the Madonna and the Horse and droom, 147 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: like eventually you have to choose one or the other. 148 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: And I thought about that too, and I'm feeling like 149 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: really sad and down on myself, like how long can 150 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: I get away with cosplaying before people just think I 151 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: put think just terrible about having fun to continue to 152 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: do it, but that is like sometimes I do feel 153 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: really embarrassed when I do it, and there's a weird 154 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: like and I'm thinking of conventions specifically here, Um, this 155 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: is a dude space and my dude costume is really 156 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: good while yours is silly and like not good and 157 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to be around you, and it's it's 158 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: very strange because, like I said, again, outside of conventions, 159 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: I feel like causeway is more of a woman's realm 160 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: and has been. But you enter that space and suddenly 161 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: it's like you are just an amateur trying to keep up. 162 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: And that can differ by genre too, because some genres 163 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: have more intense gatekeeping than others, but that that also 164 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: comes with it. And we did like the fake geek 165 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: Girl episode. I've been tested on my like Marvel knowledge 166 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: before when people come up and be like, you don't 167 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: have the right to justice as character because you don't 168 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: know enough about them or whatever, which is so dumb, 169 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: so dumb, And I hate that I get caught up 170 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: into it because all sometimes I'll be, oh, yeah, I do, 171 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: but I'm like, I should even give it a time 172 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: of day. It doesn't matter in either case, right, what's 173 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: the point in such gatekeeping when are we just here 174 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: for fun? Yes? And also, I mean that's a big 175 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: h That is a big can of worms that I've 176 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: tried to like let go. But I I don't feel 177 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: like I'm very good at making things. And there is 178 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: a kind of an air around dragon Con because dragon 179 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: Con is the one in Atlanta is more about costumes 180 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: and cosplay than it is about, I would say, the 181 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: guests or celebrities. That's been my experience. And that being said, 182 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: there is a level of judgment that comes with if 183 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: you bought your costume versus if you've made it, And 184 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: I really don't care. I do appreciate when people took 185 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: the time and have the skill to make it, but 186 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: I really, you know, great for you, but I'm not 187 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: going to judge people for buying stuff. Yeah. I can 188 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: impact up more later, but for simplicity's sake right now, generally, 189 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to judge people for buying stuff. But 190 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: I find that a lot of the guys who I 191 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: felt judged by I have bought like everything they have, 192 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: and I've made mine, and I guess mine is like 193 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: you can tell I made it, but a damned if 194 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: you do, damned if you don't. I'm telling you it's true. Yeah, 195 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: this is just my anecdotal experience, and I feel like 196 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: I do have a lot of anecdotal experience with friends 197 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: of mine as well. But I also feel like there's 198 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: a a level of you're not X enough to be 199 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: this character, which does happen to men, but I think 200 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: it happens way more to women. It was like, you're 201 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: not strong enough and you could never be strong enough, 202 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: or you're not you don't fit the part for whatever reason, 203 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: and therefore you're just like a little girl masquerading around. 204 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: Just gross too and kind of unrealistic because most of 205 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: the characters you're dressing up as you're nothing alike. Sorry, 206 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: so may you may look somewhat like that person but 207 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you have that personality nor mindset or 208 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: superhero abilities. You're not magic, bro, So why are you 209 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: trying to get keep? Because they don't look enough like 210 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: all you like you're faking too, like you're making pretend 211 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: and enjoying your life and having a moment that's a 212 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: little outside reality because it's nice to escape reality. So 213 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: let it be. Yeah, Well, and I think that's we 214 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: could come back and have a bigger conversation about that, 215 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: and we've talked about it a little in other things. 216 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: But and I could be totally wrong. This could be 217 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: just me, you know, analyzing dude fans at these conventions 218 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: that have done this to me, because I've met plenty 219 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: of nice, like male fans, but in general, my bad 220 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: experiences have been with dudes at these things. And it's 221 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: almost like they're so insecure, like they feel like they've 222 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: been made fun of for being nerds for their life. 223 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: And we talked about this with Gatekeeping for sure, like 224 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: that they want to put you down and make you 225 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: feel like I've done the hard work, I know what 226 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I've earned this expertise and their right 227 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: to do this, and they just assume because you're a 228 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: woman that you haven't and I feel, I don't know, 229 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: it feels to me like it's coming from a place 230 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: of insecurity, And I could be totally wrong, but like 231 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: they're they're nervous about being made fun of, so they're like, 232 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make fun of her before she can get 233 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: me first. Oh sure, there's a lot of insecurity and 234 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: a lot of this. Again, he's part of it. Some 235 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: people take it very seriously, very seriously, like we talked 236 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: about with fandoms, don't mess with people. Step out of line. 237 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: You're gonna get called out real quick. And it goes 238 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: beyond just loving something, and therefore it becomes a whole 239 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: other level of ownership, which is not the worst thing, 240 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: but can become unhealthy. Oh absolutely. And there there's so 241 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: many avenues of cosplay which I love, that have been 242 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: unhealthy and are improving. Um. And when you talk about 243 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: conventions and specific like the things we talked about all 244 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: the time, like there's layers of racism and ableism and sexism, 245 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: just because it's not like it's separate from the world. 246 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: It's that's the world we live in. So there are 247 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: aspects of that as well. And I'm glad we're having 248 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: those conversations and also just you know, access, like who 249 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: can afford to go to these things and who can 250 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: afford to buy their costume? Are to make their own costume, 251 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: like all that stuff, and then we're judging people who 252 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: had to do whatever they had to do to be 253 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: a character that they want to be and love and 254 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: then making them feel guilty about it, which it should 255 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: be a fun experience where we're sharing like a love 256 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: of something. And I think, you know again, I know 257 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: I bring it up all the time, but like things 258 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: like fan fiction, I feel like there's a judgment of 259 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: my way is the right way to enjoy a fandom? 260 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: You don't get it. You're making it worse for being 261 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: here as a woman because it's so I feel like 262 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: there's just a layer of seeing as weaker like you 263 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: were making How dare you dress as the Winter Soldier? 264 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Because now I feel like he's weak and effeminate like 265 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: that aspects of it. All that being said, I do 266 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: love cosplaying and I find it really rewarding. I find 267 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: the dressing up of rewarding. And I also, like I said, 268 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm good at making things, but 269 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: I did make it like I was persistent and determined 270 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: and there was some amount of of real success that 271 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: I got from that, And especially when um the Winter 272 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: Soldier arm I've made four of them, and they I 273 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: feel like they got better and better and I eventually 274 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: got so good at it. I posted a video on 275 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: my Instagram of like, here's how you do it. I 276 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: did it one like, you know, a couple of hours, 277 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: whereas before it took me like months to do it. 278 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: So I feel like there's so many levels of expertise 279 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: in this, whether it is your knowledge of it or 280 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: your love of something or how you made it. And 281 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: people get really really creative, and I'll never forget one 282 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: time this like college professor came up to me like 283 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: took a picture and you know, said can I use 284 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: this in my art class? How did you do this? 285 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: And that's that's a wonderful feelure. And I think like 286 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: a lot of women do that where we doubt the 287 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: things that we've made or have done or put together 288 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: and we shouldn't like we shouldn't have that level of doubt. 289 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: That being said, we have an episode coming up on 290 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: blogs and you asked me, Samantha, like if you could 291 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: have made something doing something else, or if you could 292 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: have a blog, what would it be. You would obviously 293 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: be fan picture, but I think I could do a 294 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: cosplay one because that's where I've gotten a lot of 295 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: tips for how to make things through cosplay blogs. And 296 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: I once was asked if I would cosplays for actually, 297 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: and I thought, the damn business card. But there's a 298 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: light where time out there cosplaying and getting paid for it. 299 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: You should because your stuff is really good, very thought out. 300 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: I think you have a lot of good supporters because 301 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: you're friends. Some of your friends are amazing at this 302 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: cosplay thing, and again our friend of the show, Holly 303 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: amazing at this cosplay thing, just amazing. And general loan crafting, 304 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: I have no skills, so I would definitely be that 305 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: person that would buy things. I mean, I'm not even pretending. 306 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: It's not like I'm being self deprecating. I really don't 307 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: have the crafting skills to make things. I can barely 308 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: draw things. My handwriting is unintelligible, Like that's just it's 309 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: just bad. So for people who do things, I'm like, wow, 310 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: great job, and you do a great job. Oh thank you. 311 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: You know, as always was never an attempt to get 312 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: a compliment, but I will take it. I will take it. 313 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: And I have had to be creative and I've I've 314 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: liked that, like I've had to like find pieces and 315 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: stuff that normally wouldn't go together and make it. And I, 316 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: you know what, proud of that profit you should be. 317 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: But listeners, oh my goodness. If you have cosplay pictures 318 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: you want to share with us our tips, please send 319 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: them our way. You can emails at Stephanie and mom 320 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: Stuff at I heart me dot com. You can find 321 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at stuff We'd ever told you or 322 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. 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