WEBVTT - Dutton Family DNA 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:12.280 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the official Yellowstone Podcast. It's 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.640 Jefferson White here. I am joined as always by my 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.360 incomparable co host Jen Landon. Hey, Hey, we are so 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.400 so glad to have you with us today. As we've 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:27.240 been talking about three shows now eighteen eighty three, nineteen 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.440 twenty three and Yellowstone, you and I have done a 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:36.919 lot of research genealogy. We've been learning right alongside the fans, 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.920 how these characters relate to each other, how this history 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.559 really plays out. There's such a rich lore with this family. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:45.680 So stand by, we're gonna be right back, and then 0:00:45.680 --> 0:01:03.240 we're going to dig into it. You know, we we 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.479 took an embarrassingly long time sort of putting together the 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.520 basics of the family tree, and it's been so fun 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.720 to kind of look forward look back, especially when it 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.880 comes to nineteen twenty three, because we know Dutton's before that, 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.000 we know Dutton's after that. So today we're going to 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.360 kind of dig into how it all fits together and 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.080 what has really kept this family going, what has really 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.000 driven this family. So to that end, Jen and I 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.120 thought that it might be fun to have somebody to 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.400 chap this up with, and maybe somebody who's got a 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.080 better eagles eye perspective on all of this. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.240 Yeah, I mean some of you may have caught us 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.240 referring to our beloved producer, mister Scott. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.760 You know, they may also may not have caught us 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.320 referring to Scott, because he is in charge of this 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.920 whole thing. He's in charge of what stays in the 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.440 podcast and what gets cut out. So it's also entirely 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.680 possible that he's remained a mystery. He's protected his identity 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:05.760 much like a sort of Batman style figure. Scott, thank 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.200 you so much for being here. Man. You've been here 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.359 from the beginning of this thing. You are you are 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.040 a part not only of the DNA, of this podcast, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.680 but also of the whole Yellowstone universe. You've been helping 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.880 us figure this out from the beginning. Anytime Jen and I, 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.120 you know, have questions about this stuff, you always are 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.000 here to help us through it. So thank you so 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.960 much for being with us today and for being with 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:28.920 us on this journey. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.600 Well, hey, guys, I appreciate it. You know. Just to clarify, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.440 I'm not the no all authority on Yellowstone being part 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.640 of the inner circle here, so to speak. We only 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.800 know what the fans know. We don't necessarily know what's 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.280 going on in that mind of Taylor Sheridan. A lot 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.519 of it's still a mystery, so we unpack as we go. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.920 That's what's so exciting about this whole process. You know, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.040 as the show is airing, we are learning this mythology 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.800 as it goes, like from episode to episode, we are 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.760 right alongside the audience kind of putting together this family 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.360 t Okay. So right now we are lucky to live 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.680 in the age of Yellowstone. There's three shows that we 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.960 are drawing from this mythology from. So we've got eighteen 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.240 eighty three, we've got nineteen twenty three, and we've got Yellowstone, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.160 and we are piecing together this map of the Dutton 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.079 family's journey from all three of those shows. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.040 Before we begin, just want to give a little bit 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.359 of a spoiler alert for our audience, for anyone who 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.680 hasn't seen, you know, all of any of these shows, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.760 and the one in particular I'm worried about is nineteen 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.400 twenty three. Since it is currently airing, there might be 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.160 some spoilers as we go through this family tree, so 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.080 just you know, turn the volume down when we get there. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.640 Yeah, if you haven't seen these shows yet, I encourage 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:52.240 you to go watch them because they are amazing and 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:54.800 I can't wait to hear your thoughts on them. So 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.480 if you haven't checked them out yet, go check them 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.920 out and then come back and comment on this podcast 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.600 with everything we got wrong. So beginning at the beginning 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.280 eighteen eighty three, we are introduced to the very first 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:11.280 Dutton's chronologically that we've ever met, and that's James Dutton, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:16.240 Tim McGraw and Margaret Dutton, Faith Hill, Jeffy. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.840 If I can just say, James Dutton, that is a 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:26.080 bad man. Yeah, that is that dude. And I when 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.279 I first saw this guy, it was really funny because 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:33.680 you see him basically being attacked by these bandits and 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.800 Sam Elliott and La Monica Garrett are sitting on a 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.400 hill and they see him and they're just watching. They're 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.560 talking about this farmer. They called him a farmer. But 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.480 yet this guy gets off his horse and he is 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:51.040 like the og sniper. He snipes these guys. And I'm 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.719 thinking to myself, that's a bad dude. That's the DNA. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.520 That's like where this all comes from with this Dutton family. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.800 Wouldn't you say, absolutely. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.320 Over time we see the Duttons take on more responsibility 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:08.799 and become perhaps more civilized. But James Dutton Tim McGraw, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.920 he starts from a wild place. You know, we learned 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.200 over the actions of eighteen eighty three that he served 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.239 in the Civil War. He has this background as a soldier, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.560 which so many of the Duttons do, as they're haunted 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.479 across generations by violence. And this is it's prior to 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.719 perhaps the civilization or the sort of comfort that later 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.600 generations of Duttons will come to know. So James and 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:37.040 Margaret are tough as hell. Yeah. 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.159 The women behind this really show through, and you know 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:46.440 they're first born. Is this most incredible woman you could 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:47.240 ever imagine? 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.159 Absolutely? Yeah, Elsa herself their daughter. Yeah. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.400 You know, it's interesting because everybody that talks about the 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.120 Duttons talks about the men, the men, the Dutton family, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.320 but it's the women that are the strength behind the buttons. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.560 I mean, I feel like, unfortunately that's how the conversation 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.240 goes across the board. In all areas of life that 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:07.480 the focus does. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:07.800 Tend to be. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.880 You know, I'm the dude and the woman usually gets 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:19.800 short changed. But there are many instances where, you know, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.760 when there is a more traditional model where the man 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.360 is more of the you know, doer in the world, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:30.440 there is almost always a woman who's holding him together 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.960 with super glue and some plaster. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.280 Yeah, as we're talking about, you know, these ancestors, John 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.440 Dutton's ancestors, we have to remember that we're also talking 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.279 about Beth Dutton's ancestors. We're also talking about this long 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.680 line of women who, by the time we meet the 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.599 Duttons have come down to Beth, to this absolute force 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:57.719 of nature holding the Dutton ranch together with sheer force 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.320 of will. You know, So everyone we're talking about today 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:01.800 is also Beth's ancestors. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.359 I wonder if Taylor picked up on a piece of 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.240 that in like that being a part of the conversation 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.800 around eighteen eighty three, because in nineteen twenty three, one 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.560 of the things that I love is that even though 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.240 that show comes out obviously it's the next season, it's 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.600 set roughly forty years later. It is the same generation 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.360 as the James and Margaret Dutton that we had gotten 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.840 to know in eighteen eighty three, And the first image 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:29.520 we get is not Jacob Dutton being a badass, but 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:34.720 it's Kara Dutton Helen Mirren who's got that first moment 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.640 that sort of sets the tone for the piece, And 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.360 in many ways, she feels like she feels positioned more 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.760 the way Beth, the way the Beth character does to 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.520 me in terms of her own mission and drive. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.720 Absolutely yeah. And there's this sort of recurring theme that 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.120 as the men go out and take care of the cattle, 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.640 often the ranch comes under asault, and the people left 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.280 to defend the ranch, the sort of toughest, last line, 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:06.040 scrappiest sort of defenders of the ranch are the women 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.840 who are staying at home and holding the whole thing together. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.600 You know, as Kevin Costner goes out to be the 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.000 governor of Montana, it's a good thing. Beth's home. As 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.760 Jacob Dutton goes out to do this cattle drive, it's 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:18.160 a good thing. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.400 Kara Dun the casting obviously, it's like, what it's a 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.000 no brainer. You get an opportunity of Helen marrin, you're 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.040 gonna take it. But her essence is so not that 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:35.480 of the diminutive female that she just brings that fearce 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.720 independence to every single piece that she does. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.439 Absolutely yeah. So starting you know, at the beginning, starting 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.880 in eighteen eighty three, we've got obviously James and Margaret, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.440 that's Tim and faith for those of us, you know, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.840 for their close personal friends. They've got their daughter, Elsa, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.800 and they've also got two kids. So the only character 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.240 that man to survive from the action of eighteen eighty 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.920 three to the action of nineteen twenty three is John 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.480 Dutton Senior. God bless him. He hung on for those 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:20.600 intervening forty difficult, hard, hard fought years, Jeff just to clarify. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.000 So in eighteen eighty three, we see them coming across 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.400 the country. They're on their way to Oregon. They get 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.880 to Montana, Elsa passes. They have this, you know, they 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:35.040 have this deal. Where she dies is where she stays, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.400 where we all stay, where we set roots in our family. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.280 And this is something that Margaret and James decided because 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.080 Margaret said on the truck, I don't want her to 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.600 be a signpost on the side of a trail where 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.000 she dies we stay. I don't know if you guys 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.479 remember that, but it was very poignant. So they get 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:56.400 to Montana and I can't talk about this. I'm talking 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.679 about the relationship between James Dutton and Elsa. I mean, 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.679 talk about a father daughter relationship. That was just heart 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:09.680 wrenching to me, the sensitivity this guy had. The he's 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.680 this bad dude, as I said earlier, but yet with 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.640 his daughter, he's just a little you know, he crumbles 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.440 and he just does everything for her and it's just 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:24.640 a really amazing dynamic. But going forward, they actually have 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.600 a second son, and it's during this time right after 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.000 the show eighteen eighty three, but before nineteen twenty three, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.760 and that is Spencer Dutton. So James and Margaret have 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.320 three children in total. Also who passes John Dutton who 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.760 we see in eighteen eighty three, and then Spencer Dutton, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.440 who we get introduced to in nineteen twenty three. 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.839 Yeah, and who we see as a child in Yellowstone 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.640 season four's flashbacks. So Yellowstone season four has these two 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:59.080 flashbacks where we're first introduced to James and Margaret, and 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.240 at that time we're all so introduced for the first 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:07.320 time to not only John but to the young boy Spencer. Yes, exactly, Yeah, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.679 And you're totally right that that relationship, the relationship between 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.160 James and Elsa is such a beautiful father daughter relationship 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.960 and it's amazing to watch the evolution of that over 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.440 the years, which leads up to the relationship between John Dutton, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.840 Kevin Costner and Beth Dutton. Another relationship between a man 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.840 and his daughter, another sort of partnership between a man 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.520 and his daughter that that's really beautiful in the Modernay. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.000 Totally, And I know we hit on this before, but 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.680 just because now we've sort of moved into that next generation, 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.080 the one that has John Dutton, Spencer Dutton, Elsa, But 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.240 now in this nineteen twenty three world, I want to 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:52.160 look at how Kara and Jacob came. And we'll do 0:11:52.240 --> 0:12:08.960 that after we take a quick break. Okay, So we 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.680 meet and spend time with James Dutton in eighteen eighty three. 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:19.080 We see in season four of Yellowstone in a flashback 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.400 that he is shot, that James is shot in the gut, 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.439 and in the first episode of nineteen twenty three we 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.280 hear Elsa talk about the passing of her father, which 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.520 is I just have to say, such amazing storytelling in 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.640 terms of having the brain space to reveal pieces over 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.800 three different shows. So now that we're here, we can 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.840 kind of get into the Kara Dutton and the Jacob 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.520 Dutton and how they got to the Dutton Ranch that 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.800 we have come to know in Love on Yellowstone. So 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.800 we know that James Dutton has passed away, right. We 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.800 know in the first episode of nineteen ten twenty three 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:06.240 that Margaret writes a letter to James's brother, Jacob Dutton 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.240 played by Harrison Ford, asking him to come and help 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:15.280 out on the ranch. So he and his wife Kara, 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.280 they come to the Dutton They arrive at the Dutton 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.679 ranch only to find Margaret Dutton frozen to death and 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.000 their two sons, John Dutton Senior, who we got to 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.000 know in eighteen eighty three and Spencer Dutton, who we 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.960 have not met yet, nearly starved to death and take 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.000 those boys in for their own that's right. 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.160 So by the time we get to the action of 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:40.480 nineteen twenty three, those boys have grown up. John Dutton 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:45.400 Senior is you know, he's forty five years old now. Spencer, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.640 his little brother, is over in Africa, sort of haunted 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.440 by his own demons. It's interesting as we talk about 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.920 generations of this family, we're also talking about American history. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.120 So James Dutton, Tim McGraw served in the Civil War, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.120 Answer Dutton served in World War one, and then Casey 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.640 Dutton in the Action of Yellowstone. We learn over the 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.240 Action of Yellowstone that he served overseas too, So it 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:14.440 really is also kind of war has haunted this family 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.480 over generations, just as it's haunted the whole world. You 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.400 know that these global conflicts continue to sort of pull 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:25.320 young men from their homes and thrust them into the 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.520 mouth of hell, as it were. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:32.320 Well, which begs the question, there is a time period 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.920 between nineteen twenty three and present day. Are we going 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.040 to get to see what happens in there? Who is 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.280 the predecessor to John Dutton as we know him today, 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:46.360 Who are his what is his exact lineage? 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.200 Do me know that that's a complicated question, Scott. I 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.400 think we're piecing that together slowly as more information is 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.440 revealed in nineteen twenty three, and I've seen some really 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.280 great theories on social media. I've seen fans work to 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.960 piece that together. You know, we hear in the opening 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.920 voiceover narration of nineteen twenty three, you know that only 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:15.680 one of Elsa's father's children live long enough to see 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:21.280 their children grow up, which is remarkably evocative, but also, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.920 you know, mysterious linguistication. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.880 It feels like a riddle. It feels like one of 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:28.920 those riddles that you would sit around and think about. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.760 Well, I know Jen has been cultivating this and mulling 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.200 this over because we've talked about this a couple times. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.600 And I love when I'm gonna. I love when we 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:38.720 all find out that I'm wrong. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.800 So your theory, Jin, talk us through your theory. 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:43.480 Okay. 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.080 So and again, let's like really check what Elsa says. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:52.360 My father had two sons, right, only one of them. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.280 Will live to see theirs. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:00.240 Grown, meaning only one of those two sons. Is it 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.080 is that roughly correct, we'll live to see their own 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:05.840 son grow, right? 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:06.760 Yeah? 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.200 And I think the problem you have with that has 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.200 been what has grown means? 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.200 Right? This is where it starts to feel like, well, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.480 like for me, my thought is okay, but we know 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.960 that we lose John Dutton Sr. Right, And you might 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:27.160 have this moment where you're like, yay, this means Spencer 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.400 Dutton lives, and which is very exciting because we all 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.640 like Spencer Dutton because he's cool in every way possible. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.600 He's really cool. We have to all it cool. Let's 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:41.080 just spend a second talking about perhaps the coolest Dutton 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:46.520 we've met, with all due respect the other Dutton, Spencer Spencer's. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.320 He's a cool Dutton. And also because he's giving off. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:51.760 I don't know if any of you pick us up 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.800 like soft Harrison form Indiana Jones vibes, you know, like 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.120 immediately when you look at him, it feels like a 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.680 nod at that, which I hope was intentional because I 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:02.920 thought it was so smart. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.200 The clothes, you know, the costume design. Spencer's costume design 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.160 really seems to pay homage to get our boy, Harrison 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.919 Ford's Obscure film Indiana Jones. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.280 Listen, we're digressing, and I'm gonna digress from one more 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.800 second because when we when we meet the Alexandra character, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.080 I just have to say, in terms of taking costumes 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.480 that are homages to other characters and movies that we love, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.720 I mean she also just like the second I looked 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.960 at her, I thought it's Meryl streep in Out of Africa, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.200 you know, just down to I mean, just her physicality 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:42.119 and everything. But to go back, guys, so John doesn't 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.639 Senior dies, We think, yay, we get to keep Spencer Dutton. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.439 He's going to be with us for a while, and 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.600 then you go, wait a minute, she said, only one 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.159 of them lives to see there's grown. We know that 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.640 John didn't see her. You has a son, Jack Dutton, 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:57.879 and Jack Dutton is getting married. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.399 You just you know, you soft rolled us into a 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.840 whole new generation of Dutton's here. So John Dutton Senior, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.480 who passes away in episode three of nineteen twenty three violently, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.880 as is often the way with our Duttons, has a son, 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.680 Jack Dutton, and that brings us You know that that's 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:19.720 our youngest generation of Dutton's in nineteen twenty three. So 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:21.880 the question that we're sort of caught up on here 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:29.920 is in terms of Elsa's you know, foreboding prophecy or prologue, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:35.200 is that the grown Dutton child, thus implying that Spencer 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.200 also doesn't live to see his children gown. 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.479 Well, that's an interesting thought because we know later on 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.920 Yellowstone we're using the name John, which would imply it's 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.119 coming from the John Dutton senior lineage, or is it? 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.439 You know, you take a look at Jack Dutton and 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.280 it's funny because I don't feel Dutton from Jack Dutton. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.520 Where does the lineage go? Does Spencer have children with 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.200 alexand Andre is it Alexandra we know now that he 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.840 finally finds out what's going on back home. And I mean, 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.240 I don't know about you guys, but what a scene 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.639 like Taylor pulls on heartstrings? 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.560 Yeah, and also just you hit on a thing that 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.199 is to say, like again, the lineage of the Duttons 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.399 that we see in Yellowstone can absolutely come from Jack 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.960 or Spencer. Spencer's according to Elsa's as you said, Jeff, prologuer, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:34.080 premonition or whatever it is, absolutely can have kids. He 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.000 could have ten kids, but he will not see any 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.560 of them grow up. Oh, is that what you're taking 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.040 from thee because as you were saying that, because I 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.119 wasn't thinking that a moment ago, but as you were talking, 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:53.119 there's absolutely no version of that. The thing that els 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.679 has said, he can have a ton of kids, but 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.720 according to the prophecy, the only rule is he will not. 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.640 Live to see those kids grow up. 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:10.320 So the mystery remains, which son and uh, Scott, to 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.639 your point about Jack, though, I mean, he's such a 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.800 fun character. I do also I do agree that I 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:25.200 feel like the Spencer Dutton stoicism is sort of Jeff, 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.000 You're making a face. Am I own tricky territory here? Well? 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.760 No, I mean I just I won't. I won't stand 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.200 for Jack Dunnet. I am not under Jack Dutton. 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:41.720 I think the young man, the Jack Dutton character, I'm 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.480 not sure like how his recklessness is going to play 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.880 out for his survival in the long run. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.359 Well, you know, it's interesting because in the world of Yellowstone, 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.520 you guys talked about many times, we don't know who's 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.760 going to survive and who's not. You know, we're introduced 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.639 to John Dutton Senior, and and I'm looking at this 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:06.160 and I'm looking at this character, amazing character. I'm thinking, Okay, 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.200 here we go. Here's what would typically happen. This man 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.120 grows older, he's the firstborn son, he's going to take 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:19.000 over the ranch. Dude gets killed. Yeah, I mean, who 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.359 would expect that. It's just it's it's a It's again, 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.760 it's an ongoing theme within Yellowstone. You don't know who's 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:26.879 gonna die, and people die. 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:28.800 Yeah, we got to learn the lesson. We got to 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.959 learn the Lee Dutton lesson. Taylor showed us Lee Dutton 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.560 the sort of eldest son, the promised heir to the throne, 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.520 in episode one of Yellowstone, and then he ripped us, 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.120 you know, he ripped him away. He stole Dave Annabel 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.160 from us, in the same way that he's now stolen 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:47.320 this James Badgdale performance. Because James Badge Dale or you 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:52.040 know GBD, if you're freaky, that's an incredible character actor. 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.640 And to have that performance robbed from us, I'll never 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.520 forgive Taylor for that. But also, you know, great decision, boss, 0:21:58.560 --> 0:21:59.720 really good storytelling, great TV. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.000 All Right, so we've moved, we're on this. We're kind 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:08.600 of mixing generations here. We're at the John Dutton, Spencer Dutton, 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.640 and John Dutton's son, Jack Dutton, and I just want 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.600 to take a moment here because we started off the 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.920 show with a thema talking about the women behind them. 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.879 I would like to take a moment to talk about 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.359 or just maybe give a shout out to Emma Dutton, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.399 who's played by Marley Shelton, an actress I worked with 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:30.400 years ago I am obsessed with. We have Alexandra, who 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.480 Spencer meets in Africa and that seems to be this 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.560 sort of world opening experience for him. And then we 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.920 have Elizabeth Strafford, who Jack Dutton is marrying. So I'm 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.119 excited to see how all of these women play out 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:49.600 in this world in collaborating with these men and building lives. 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.600 And so we're going to take a quick break, and 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:56.679 when we come back, we are going to dive into 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.879 the generations of Dutton's that we first came to know 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:13.800 and love, which is the Dutton's on Yellowstone. 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.879 You know, a little bit earlier, Jent I was giving 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.919 Spencer Dutton his flowers, you know, I was, I was 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.719 giving big ups to Spencer Dutton because he's cool. We 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.080 love him, we love you know, he's He's clearly an 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:36.600 amazing sort of intrepid adventurer. But I would be remiss 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:41.800 not to mention the O G. Casey Dutt. Yeah, Casey 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:46.480 Dutton to me seems like such a clear descendant of Spencer. 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.399 And this is we're going into pure speculation, but I 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:55.439 can't help but feel Spencer Dutton's DNA coursing through Casey 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:56.320 Dutton's veins. 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.159 I totally feel that as well. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.199 And the same way that that Spencer Dutton sort of 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.520 remind me of Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones. And again, 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:07.640 this movie has nothing to do with. 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:07.960 It, but. 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:13.399 Casey always gives me Brad Pitt vibes from what's the 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.640 what do you know the movie I'm talking about Legends 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:17.359 of the Fall. 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.800 Brad Pitt gives me Luke Grimes vibe. 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.240