Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the official Yellowstone Podcast. It's
Speaker 1: Jefferson White here. I am joined as always by my
Speaker 1: incomparable co host Jen Landon. Hey, Hey, we are so
Speaker 1: so glad to have you with us today. As we've
Speaker 1: been talking about three shows now eighteen eighty three, nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty three and Yellowstone, you and I have done a
Speaker 1: lot of research genealogy. We've been learning right alongside the fans,
Speaker 1: how these characters relate to each other, how this history
Speaker 1: really plays out. There's such a rich lore with this family.
Speaker 1: So stand by, we're gonna be right back, and then
Speaker 1: we're going to dig into it. You know, we we
Speaker 1: took an embarrassingly long time sort of putting together the
Speaker 1: basics of the family tree, and it's been so fun
Speaker 1: to kind of look forward look back, especially when it
Speaker 1: comes to nineteen twenty three, because we know Dutton's before that,
Speaker 1: we know Dutton's after that. So today we're going to
Speaker 1: kind of dig into how it all fits together and
Speaker 1: what has really kept this family going, what has really
Speaker 1: driven this family. So to that end, Jen and I
Speaker 1: thought that it might be fun to have somebody to
Speaker 1: chap this up with, and maybe somebody who's got a
Speaker 1: better eagles eye perspective on all of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of you may have caught us
Speaker 2: referring to our beloved producer, mister Scott.
Speaker 1: You know, they may also may not have caught us
Speaker 1: referring to Scott, because he is in charge of this
Speaker 1: whole thing. He's in charge of what stays in the
Speaker 1: podcast and what gets cut out. So it's also entirely
Speaker 1: possible that he's remained a mystery. He's protected his identity
Speaker 1: much like a sort of Batman style figure. Scott, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Man. You've been here
Speaker 1: from the beginning of this thing. You are you are
Speaker 1: a part not only of the DNA, of this podcast,
Speaker 1: but also of the whole Yellowstone universe. You've been helping
Speaker 1: us figure this out from the beginning. Anytime Jen and I,
Speaker 1: you know, have questions about this stuff, you always are
Speaker 1: here to help us through it. So thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being with us today and for being with
Speaker 1: us on this journey.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, guys, I appreciate it. You know. Just to clarify,
Speaker 3: I'm not the no all authority on Yellowstone being part
Speaker 3: of the inner circle here, so to speak. We only
Speaker 3: know what the fans know. We don't necessarily know what's
Speaker 3: going on in that mind of Taylor Sheridan. A lot
Speaker 3: of it's still a mystery, so we unpack as we go.
Speaker 1: That's what's so exciting about this whole process. You know,
Speaker 1: as the show is airing, we are learning this mythology
Speaker 1: as it goes, like from episode to episode, we are
Speaker 1: right alongside the audience kind of putting together this family
Speaker 1: t Okay. So right now we are lucky to live
Speaker 1: in the age of Yellowstone. There's three shows that we
Speaker 1: are drawing from this mythology from. So we've got eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty three, we've got nineteen twenty three, and we've got Yellowstone,
Speaker 1: and we are piecing together this map of the Dutton
Speaker 1: family's journey from all three of those shows.
Speaker 2: Before we begin, just want to give a little bit
Speaker 2: of a spoiler alert for our audience, for anyone who
Speaker 2: hasn't seen, you know, all of any of these shows,
Speaker 2: and the one in particular I'm worried about is nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty three. Since it is currently airing, there might be
Speaker 2: some spoilers as we go through this family tree, so
Speaker 2: just you know, turn the volume down when we get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you haven't seen these shows yet, I encourage
Speaker 1: you to go watch them because they are amazing and
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear your thoughts on them. So
Speaker 1: if you haven't checked them out yet, go check them
Speaker 1: out and then come back and comment on this podcast
Speaker 1: with everything we got wrong. So beginning at the beginning
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty three, we are introduced to the very first
Speaker 1: Dutton's chronologically that we've ever met, and that's James Dutton,
Speaker 1: Tim McGraw and Margaret Dutton, Faith Hill, Jeffy.
Speaker 3: If I can just say, James Dutton, that is a
Speaker 3: bad man. Yeah, that is that dude. And I when
Speaker 3: I first saw this guy, it was really funny because
Speaker 3: you see him basically being attacked by these bandits and
Speaker 3: Sam Elliott and La Monica Garrett are sitting on a
Speaker 3: hill and they see him and they're just watching. They're
Speaker 3: talking about this farmer. They called him a farmer. But
Speaker 3: yet this guy gets off his horse and he is
Speaker 3: like the og sniper. He snipes these guys. And I'm
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, that's a bad dude. That's the DNA.
Speaker 3: That's like where this all comes from with this Dutton family.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you say, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Over time we see the Duttons take on more responsibility
Speaker 1: and become perhaps more civilized. But James Dutton Tim McGraw,
Speaker 1: he starts from a wild place. You know, we learned
Speaker 1: over the actions of eighteen eighty three that he served
Speaker 1: in the Civil War. He has this background as a soldier,
Speaker 1: which so many of the Duttons do, as they're haunted
Speaker 1: across generations by violence. And this is it's prior to
Speaker 1: perhaps the civilization or the sort of comfort that later
Speaker 1: generations of Duttons will come to know. So James and
Speaker 1: Margaret are tough as hell. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The women behind this really show through, and you know
Speaker 3: they're first born. Is this most incredible woman you could
Speaker 3: ever imagine?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, Elsa herself their daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because everybody that talks about the
Speaker 3: Duttons talks about the men, the men, the Dutton family,
Speaker 3: but it's the women that are the strength behind the buttons.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like, unfortunately that's how the conversation
Speaker 2: goes across the board. In all areas of life that
Speaker 2: the focus does.
Speaker 4: Tend to be.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm the dude and the woman usually gets
Speaker 2: short changed. But there are many instances where, you know,
Speaker 2: when there is a more traditional model where the man
Speaker 2: is more of the you know, doer in the world,
Speaker 2: there is almost always a woman who's holding him together
Speaker 2: with super glue and some plaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as we're talking about, you know, these ancestors, John
Speaker 1: Dutton's ancestors, we have to remember that we're also talking
Speaker 1: about Beth Dutton's ancestors. We're also talking about this long
Speaker 1: line of women who, by the time we meet the
Speaker 1: Duttons have come down to Beth, to this absolute force
Speaker 1: of nature holding the Dutton ranch together with sheer force
Speaker 1: of will. You know, So everyone we're talking about today
Speaker 1: is also Beth's ancestors.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Taylor picked up on a piece of
Speaker 2: that in like that being a part of the conversation
Speaker 2: around eighteen eighty three, because in nineteen twenty three, one
Speaker 2: of the things that I love is that even though
Speaker 2: that show comes out obviously it's the next season, it's
Speaker 2: set roughly forty years later. It is the same generation
Speaker 2: as the James and Margaret Dutton that we had gotten
Speaker 2: to know in eighteen eighty three, And the first image
Speaker 2: we get is not Jacob Dutton being a badass, but
Speaker 2: it's Kara Dutton Helen Mirren who's got that first moment
Speaker 2: that sort of sets the tone for the piece, And
Speaker 2: in many ways, she feels like she feels positioned more
Speaker 2: the way Beth, the way the Beth character does to
Speaker 2: me in terms of her own mission and drive.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. And there's this sort of recurring theme that
Speaker 1: as the men go out and take care of the cattle,
Speaker 1: often the ranch comes under asault, and the people left
Speaker 1: to defend the ranch, the sort of toughest, last line,
Speaker 1: scrappiest sort of defenders of the ranch are the women
Speaker 1: who are staying at home and holding the whole thing together.
Speaker 1: You know, as Kevin Costner goes out to be the
Speaker 1: governor of Montana, it's a good thing. Beth's home. As
Speaker 1: Jacob Dutton goes out to do this cattle drive, it's
Speaker 1: a good thing.
Speaker 2: Kara Dun the casting obviously, it's like, what it's a
Speaker 2: no brainer. You get an opportunity of Helen marrin, you're
Speaker 2: gonna take it. But her essence is so not that
Speaker 2: of the diminutive female that she just brings that fearce
Speaker 2: independence to every single piece that she does.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. So starting you know, at the beginning, starting
Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty three, we've got obviously James and Margaret,
Speaker 1: that's Tim and faith for those of us, you know,
Speaker 1: for their close personal friends. They've got their daughter, Elsa,
Speaker 1: and they've also got two kids. So the only character
Speaker 1: that man to survive from the action of eighteen eighty
Speaker 1: three to the action of nineteen twenty three is John
Speaker 1: Dutton Senior. God bless him. He hung on for those
Speaker 1: intervening forty difficult, hard, hard fought years, Jeff just to clarify.
Speaker 3: So in eighteen eighty three, we see them coming across
Speaker 3: the country. They're on their way to Oregon. They get
Speaker 3: to Montana, Elsa passes. They have this, you know, they
Speaker 3: have this deal. Where she dies is where she stays,
Speaker 3: where we all stay, where we set roots in our family.
Speaker 3: And this is something that Margaret and James decided because
Speaker 3: Margaret said on the truck, I don't want her to
Speaker 3: be a signpost on the side of a trail where
Speaker 3: she dies we stay. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 3: remember that, but it was very poignant. So they get
Speaker 3: to Montana and I can't talk about this. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about the relationship between James Dutton and Elsa. I mean,
Speaker 3: talk about a father daughter relationship. That was just heart
Speaker 3: wrenching to me, the sensitivity this guy had. The he's
Speaker 3: this bad dude, as I said earlier, but yet with
Speaker 3: his daughter, he's just a little you know, he crumbles
Speaker 3: and he just does everything for her and it's just
Speaker 3: a really amazing dynamic. But going forward, they actually have
Speaker 3: a second son, and it's during this time right after
Speaker 3: the show eighteen eighty three, but before nineteen twenty three,
Speaker 3: and that is Spencer Dutton. So James and Margaret have
Speaker 3: three children in total. Also who passes John Dutton who
Speaker 3: we see in eighteen eighty three, and then Spencer Dutton,
Speaker 3: who we get introduced to in nineteen twenty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who we see as a child in Yellowstone
Speaker 1: season four's flashbacks. So Yellowstone season four has these two
Speaker 1: flashbacks where we're first introduced to James and Margaret, and
Speaker 1: at that time we're all so introduced for the first
Speaker 1: time to not only John but to the young boy Spencer. Yes, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you're totally right that that relationship, the relationship between
Speaker 1: James and Elsa is such a beautiful father daughter relationship
Speaker 1: and it's amazing to watch the evolution of that over
Speaker 1: the years, which leads up to the relationship between John Dutton,
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner and Beth Dutton. Another relationship between a man
Speaker 1: and his daughter, another sort of partnership between a man
Speaker 1: and his daughter that that's really beautiful in the Modernay.
Speaker 2: Totally, And I know we hit on this before, but
Speaker 2: just because now we've sort of moved into that next generation,
Speaker 2: the one that has John Dutton, Spencer Dutton, Elsa, But
Speaker 2: now in this nineteen twenty three world, I want to
Speaker 2: look at how Kara and Jacob came. And we'll do
Speaker 2: that after we take a quick break. Okay, So we
Speaker 2: meet and spend time with James Dutton in eighteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: We see in season four of Yellowstone in a flashback
Speaker 2: that he is shot, that James is shot in the gut,
Speaker 2: and in the first episode of nineteen twenty three we
Speaker 2: hear Elsa talk about the passing of her father, which
Speaker 2: is I just have to say, such amazing storytelling in
Speaker 2: terms of having the brain space to reveal pieces over
Speaker 2: three different shows. So now that we're here, we can
Speaker 2: kind of get into the Kara Dutton and the Jacob
Speaker 2: Dutton and how they got to the Dutton Ranch that
Speaker 2: we have come to know in Love on Yellowstone. So
Speaker 2: we know that James Dutton has passed away, right. We
Speaker 2: know in the first episode of nineteen ten twenty three
Speaker 2: that Margaret writes a letter to James's brother, Jacob Dutton
Speaker 2: played by Harrison Ford, asking him to come and help
Speaker 2: out on the ranch. So he and his wife Kara,
Speaker 2: they come to the Dutton They arrive at the Dutton
Speaker 2: ranch only to find Margaret Dutton frozen to death and
Speaker 2: their two sons, John Dutton Senior, who we got to
Speaker 2: know in eighteen eighty three and Spencer Dutton, who we
Speaker 2: have not met yet, nearly starved to death and take
Speaker 2: those boys in for their own that's right.
Speaker 1: So by the time we get to the action of
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, those boys have grown up. John Dutton
Speaker 1: Senior is you know, he's forty five years old now. Spencer,
Speaker 1: his little brother, is over in Africa, sort of haunted
Speaker 1: by his own demons. It's interesting as we talk about
Speaker 1: generations of this family, we're also talking about American history.
Speaker 1: So James Dutton, Tim McGraw served in the Civil War,
Speaker 1: Answer Dutton served in World War one, and then Casey
Speaker 1: Dutton in the Action of Yellowstone. We learn over the
Speaker 1: Action of Yellowstone that he served overseas too, So it
Speaker 1: really is also kind of war has haunted this family
Speaker 1: over generations, just as it's haunted the whole world. You
Speaker 1: know that these global conflicts continue to sort of pull
Speaker 1: young men from their homes and thrust them into the
Speaker 1: mouth of hell, as it were.
Speaker 3: Well, which begs the question, there is a time period
Speaker 3: between nineteen twenty three and present day. Are we going
Speaker 3: to get to see what happens in there? Who is
Speaker 3: the predecessor to John Dutton as we know him today,
Speaker 3: Who are his what is his exact lineage?
Speaker 1: Do me know that that's a complicated question, Scott. I
Speaker 1: think we're piecing that together slowly as more information is
Speaker 1: revealed in nineteen twenty three, and I've seen some really
Speaker 1: great theories on social media. I've seen fans work to
Speaker 1: piece that together. You know, we hear in the opening
Speaker 1: voiceover narration of nineteen twenty three, you know that only
Speaker 1: one of Elsa's father's children live long enough to see
Speaker 1: their children grow up, which is remarkably evocative, but also,
Speaker 1: you know, mysterious linguistication.
Speaker 2: It feels like a riddle. It feels like one of
Speaker 2: those riddles that you would sit around and think about.
Speaker 3: Well, I know Jen has been cultivating this and mulling
Speaker 3: this over because we've talked about this a couple times.
Speaker 2: And I love when I'm gonna. I love when we
Speaker 2: all find out that I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: So your theory, Jin, talk us through your theory.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So and again, let's like really check what Elsa says.
Speaker 2: My father had two sons, right, only one of them.
Speaker 4: Will live to see theirs.
Speaker 2: Grown, meaning only one of those two sons. Is it
Speaker 2: is that roughly correct, we'll live to see their own
Speaker 2: son grow, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think the problem you have with that has
Speaker 3: been what has grown means?
Speaker 2: Right? This is where it starts to feel like, well,
Speaker 2: like for me, my thought is okay, but we know
Speaker 2: that we lose John Dutton Sr. Right, And you might
Speaker 2: have this moment where you're like, yay, this means Spencer
Speaker 2: Dutton lives, and which is very exciting because we all
Speaker 2: like Spencer Dutton because he's cool in every way possible.
Speaker 1: He's really cool. We have to all it cool. Let's
Speaker 1: just spend a second talking about perhaps the coolest Dutton
Speaker 1: we've met, with all due respect the other Dutton, Spencer Spencer's.
Speaker 2: He's a cool Dutton. And also because he's giving off.
Speaker 2: I don't know if any of you pick us up
Speaker 2: like soft Harrison form Indiana Jones vibes, you know, like
Speaker 2: immediately when you look at him, it feels like a
Speaker 2: nod at that, which I hope was intentional because I
Speaker 2: thought it was so smart.
Speaker 1: The clothes, you know, the costume design. Spencer's costume design
Speaker 1: really seems to pay homage to get our boy, Harrison
Speaker 1: Ford's Obscure film Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2: Listen, we're digressing, and I'm gonna digress from one more
Speaker 2: second because when we when we meet the Alexandra character,
Speaker 2: I just have to say, in terms of taking costumes
Speaker 2: that are homages to other characters and movies that we love,
Speaker 2: I mean she also just like the second I looked
Speaker 2: at her, I thought it's Meryl streep in Out of Africa,
Speaker 2: you know, just down to I mean, just her physicality
Speaker 2: and everything. But to go back, guys, so John doesn't
Speaker 2: Senior dies, We think, yay, we get to keep Spencer Dutton.
Speaker 2: He's going to be with us for a while, and
Speaker 2: then you go, wait a minute, she said, only one
Speaker 2: of them lives to see there's grown. We know that
Speaker 2: John didn't see her. You has a son, Jack Dutton,
Speaker 2: and Jack Dutton is getting married.
Speaker 1: You just you know, you soft rolled us into a
Speaker 1: whole new generation of Dutton's here. So John Dutton Senior,
Speaker 1: who passes away in episode three of nineteen twenty three violently,
Speaker 1: as is often the way with our Duttons, has a son,
Speaker 1: Jack Dutton, and that brings us You know that that's
Speaker 1: our youngest generation of Dutton's in nineteen twenty three. So
Speaker 1: the question that we're sort of caught up on here
Speaker 1: is in terms of Elsa's you know, foreboding prophecy or prologue,
Speaker 1: is that the grown Dutton child, thus implying that Spencer
Speaker 1: also doesn't live to see his children gown.
Speaker 3: Well, that's an interesting thought because we know later on
Speaker 3: Yellowstone we're using the name John, which would imply it's
Speaker 3: coming from the John Dutton senior lineage, or is it?
Speaker 3: You know, you take a look at Jack Dutton and
Speaker 3: it's funny because I don't feel Dutton from Jack Dutton.
Speaker 3: Where does the lineage go? Does Spencer have children with
Speaker 3: alexand Andre is it Alexandra we know now that he
Speaker 3: finally finds out what's going on back home. And I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys, but what a scene
Speaker 3: like Taylor pulls on heartstrings?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also just you hit on a thing that
Speaker 2: is to say, like again, the lineage of the Duttons
Speaker 2: that we see in Yellowstone can absolutely come from Jack
Speaker 2: or Spencer. Spencer's according to Elsa's as you said, Jeff, prologuer,
Speaker 2: premonition or whatever it is, absolutely can have kids. He
Speaker 2: could have ten kids, but he will not see any
Speaker 2: of them grow up. Oh, is that what you're taking
Speaker 2: from thee because as you were saying that, because I
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking that a moment ago, but as you were talking,
Speaker 2: there's absolutely no version of that. The thing that els
Speaker 2: has said, he can have a ton of kids, but
Speaker 2: according to the prophecy, the only rule is he will not.
Speaker 4: Live to see those kids grow up.
Speaker 2: So the mystery remains, which son and uh, Scott, to
Speaker 2: your point about Jack, though, I mean, he's such a
Speaker 2: fun character. I do also I do agree that I
Speaker 2: feel like the Spencer Dutton stoicism is sort of Jeff,
Speaker 2: You're making a face. Am I own tricky territory here? Well?
Speaker 1: No, I mean I just I won't. I won't stand
Speaker 1: for Jack Dunnet. I am not under Jack Dutton.
Speaker 2: I think the young man, the Jack Dutton character, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure like how his recklessness is going to play
Speaker 2: out for his survival in the long run.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting because in the world of Yellowstone,
Speaker 3: you guys talked about many times, we don't know who's
Speaker 3: going to survive and who's not. You know, we're introduced
Speaker 3: to John Dutton Senior, and and I'm looking at this
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at this character, amazing character. I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: here we go. Here's what would typically happen. This man
Speaker 3: grows older, he's the firstborn son, he's going to take
Speaker 3: over the ranch. Dude gets killed. Yeah, I mean, who
Speaker 3: would expect that. It's just it's it's a It's again,
Speaker 3: it's an ongoing theme within Yellowstone. You don't know who's
Speaker 3: gonna die, and people die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to learn the lesson. We got to
Speaker 1: learn the Lee Dutton lesson. Taylor showed us Lee Dutton
Speaker 1: the sort of eldest son, the promised heir to the throne,
Speaker 1: in episode one of Yellowstone, and then he ripped us,
Speaker 1: you know, he ripped him away. He stole Dave Annabel
Speaker 1: from us, in the same way that he's now stolen
Speaker 1: this James Badgdale performance. Because James Badge Dale or you
Speaker 1: know GBD, if you're freaky, that's an incredible character actor.
Speaker 1: And to have that performance robbed from us, I'll never
Speaker 1: forgive Taylor for that. But also, you know, great decision, boss,
Speaker 1: really good storytelling, great TV.
Speaker 2: All Right, so we've moved, we're on this. We're kind
Speaker 2: of mixing generations here. We're at the John Dutton, Spencer Dutton,
Speaker 2: and John Dutton's son, Jack Dutton, and I just want
Speaker 2: to take a moment here because we started off the
Speaker 2: show with a thema talking about the women behind them.
Speaker 2: I would like to take a moment to talk about
Speaker 2: or just maybe give a shout out to Emma Dutton,
Speaker 2: who's played by Marley Shelton, an actress I worked with
Speaker 2: years ago I am obsessed with. We have Alexandra, who
Speaker 2: Spencer meets in Africa and that seems to be this
Speaker 2: sort of world opening experience for him. And then we
Speaker 2: have Elizabeth Strafford, who Jack Dutton is marrying. So I'm
Speaker 2: excited to see how all of these women play out
Speaker 2: in this world in collaborating with these men and building lives.
Speaker 2: And so we're going to take a quick break, and
Speaker 2: when we come back, we are going to dive into
Speaker 2: the generations of Dutton's that we first came to know
Speaker 2: and love, which is the Dutton's on Yellowstone.
Speaker 1: You know, a little bit earlier, Jent I was giving
Speaker 1: Spencer Dutton his flowers, you know, I was, I was
Speaker 1: giving big ups to Spencer Dutton because he's cool. We
Speaker 1: love him, we love you know, he's He's clearly an
Speaker 1: amazing sort of intrepid adventurer. But I would be remiss
Speaker 1: not to mention the O G. Casey Dutt. Yeah, Casey
Speaker 1: Dutton to me seems like such a clear descendant of Spencer.
Speaker 1: And this is we're going into pure speculation, but I
Speaker 1: can't help but feel Spencer Dutton's DNA coursing through Casey
Speaker 1: Dutton's veins.
Speaker 4: I totally feel that as well.
Speaker 2: And the same way that that Spencer Dutton sort of
Speaker 2: remind me of Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones. And again,
Speaker 2: this movie has nothing to do with.
Speaker 1: It, but.
Speaker 2: Casey always gives me Brad Pitt vibes from what's the
Speaker 2: what do you know the movie I'm talking about Legends
Speaker 2: of the Fall.
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt gives me Luke Grimes vibe.
Speaker 4: I would agree with that one hundred percent, all.
Speaker 3: Right, so I'll agree. Casey Dutton awesome guy. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's one of my favorite characters. He this dude again
Speaker 3: goes back. I know you want to relate him more
Speaker 3: to Spenser, but he's a James I mean right, he's
Speaker 3: in his gilly suit and he's a sniper too, by
Speaker 3: the way. But before that, you know, where do we
Speaker 3: get to John Dutton? If you guys remember in season two,
Speaker 3: there's a scene of John Dutton, our John Dutton sitting
Speaker 3: with his father. Oh yeah, John Dutton the second and
Speaker 3: that's when he actually promises to never sell the ranch.
Speaker 3: He made an promise, which is the ongoing theme that
Speaker 3: we see. But so we've got this generation. We know
Speaker 3: that somewhere between nineteen twenty three and current Yellowstone we
Speaker 3: now are into the John Dutton's. We don't know where
Speaker 3: it comes from, but we've got this stoic character, Kevin Costner,
Speaker 3: John Dutton, who is how do I even explain him.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's the godfather of it all. But as
Speaker 3: we see, he's also struggling with the modernization of what's happening.
Speaker 3: As we saw in nineteen twenty three, you know, we
Speaker 3: go from eighteen eighty three everything's horse drawn. You see
Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty three we go into the city and
Speaker 3: there's cars. So what's next and where are we at now?
Speaker 3: It's almost like we're in this new evolution of Yellowstone
Speaker 3: as well. That's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. So John Dutton Senior, we get
Speaker 1: to know his kids in episode one of Yellowstone, the
Speaker 1: very first episode of the show, we get to know
Speaker 1: all four of John and Evelyn's children. That's their oldest son,
Speaker 1: Lee Dutton. You got Jamie Dutton, middle child Beth Dutton,
Speaker 1: and then the youngest, Casey Dutton. Now we tragically lose
Speaker 1: Lee Dutton in episode one of Yellowstone. This ranch has
Speaker 1: fed and sustained the Dutton family for generations, but it's
Speaker 1: also cost many of them their lives in a violent
Speaker 1: in a violent way. So not only are we introduced
Speaker 1: to John Dutton's kids, but over the action of Yellowstone,
Speaker 1: we're introduced to his grandson Tate Dutton.
Speaker 2: Now tell me if I'm wrong the Tate is the
Speaker 2: seventh generation, and I'll explain what I'm referring to, which
Speaker 2: the sort of premonition at the end of eighteen eighty
Speaker 2: three when the Native American chief says, in seven generations,
Speaker 2: my people will rise up and take it back from you,
Speaker 2: and James says, in seven generations, you can have it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a fascinating thing. You know, we've we've
Speaker 1: been focusing on the Dutton family and talking about the
Speaker 1: Dutton family, but there's another family at the very heart
Speaker 1: of this show, and that is Thomas Rainwaters family, the
Speaker 1: Rainwaters that go back not just seven generations, not just
Speaker 1: eight generations, but deep, deep, deep into the history of
Speaker 1: this place.
Speaker 3: You know, ultimately we're going to probably get that reveal
Speaker 3: of how this all, what the through line is. You know,
Speaker 3: we've got other characters. We've us got Monica, who is
Speaker 3: again not a true Dutton, she wasn't born to Dutton,
Speaker 3: but in many ways stronger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're really right to point out that Tait isn't
Speaker 1: just the seventh generation of Dutton. He also comes from
Speaker 1: another long tradition of family that's been here perhaps longer
Speaker 1: than the Duttons. In Monica's family who you know, no
Speaker 1: pun intended. Her maiden name is Long, her grandfather's name
Speaker 1: is Felix Long. So there are many other character whose
Speaker 1: family ties to this region even pre date the Duttons,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if in nineteen twenty three, some of
Speaker 2: the characters that we are getting to know in the
Speaker 2: Native American you know, quote quote unquote boarding schools, AKAA,
Speaker 2: you know, eradication schools, if any of the characters are
Speaker 2: meeting in that world are actually ancestors of the Native
Speaker 2: American characters and storyline that we were seeing playing out
Speaker 2: in Yellowstone.
Speaker 4: And that's TBD.
Speaker 1: This is one of the really amazing things I think
Speaker 1: about Taylor. There's a history here, but I think we
Speaker 1: also Taylor is representing American history. But I also think
Speaker 1: it's very important to always remember, as Taylor does and
Speaker 1: includes here, that there's more than one history. There's there's
Speaker 1: an idea of the West as written by you know,
Speaker 1: by the victors, some might say, or by the encroachers,
Speaker 1: by the sort of invaders that the Duttons themselves read
Speaker 1: present to a certain extent, And then there's an even
Speaker 1: older history as written by the native communities that far
Speaker 1: predate the Duttons. So Taylor is sort of showing these
Speaker 1: parallel histories and how they sometimes collide and come into conflict,
Speaker 1: and then perhaps in Tate, how they sometimes also come
Speaker 1: into alignment.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, an interesting thought trailing on that we
Speaker 3: go back to the seven generations. It goes back to
Speaker 3: the indigenous people, the Native Americans. But in some way
Speaker 3: you just brought a thought to the forefront of my mind.
Speaker 3: Tait is half Native American, right, So is that is
Speaker 3: it going back to them? And how do we bring
Speaker 3: it in?
Speaker 2: In some ways that's always been my hunch, and because
Speaker 2: we've also set up this one, I mean, this historical
Speaker 2: relationship between you know, European settlers and Native Americans and
Speaker 2: the wars that have broken up between them, and then
Speaker 2: that war sort of being mimicked. Even in that first
Speaker 2: episode of Yellowston between Monica and Casey with the killing
Speaker 2: of the brothers, right, that felt very Shakespearean. You know,
Speaker 2: I just think of a you know, the is it
Speaker 2: Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet who says like a curse
Speaker 2: on both your houses or something, And then it feels
Speaker 2: like Tate is the sort of, in a way, the
Speaker 2: thing that would end that battle, because everybody in some
Speaker 2: way gets to hold on to it. I'm not speaking
Speaker 2: very eloquently about it because it's something I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm treading on slightly dangerous ground. But it does feel like,
Speaker 2: doesn't it feel like to you guys, the sort of
Speaker 2: merging of the worlds.
Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful. I think that's a beautiful idea
Speaker 1: if Tate can hold on to it. One of the
Speaker 1: enduring themes of Yellowstone is, hey, can this ranch last
Speaker 1: long enough for Tate to inherit it? Or are these
Speaker 1: encroaching forces from the outside gonna pit to pieces and
Speaker 1: melt it down in the furnace of the modern American economics?
Speaker 2: And they had like a random fantasy thought, right, we
Speaker 2: think that Tate is the obvious, like that's who's going
Speaker 2: to get it, because he's like, you know, he's dutton,
Speaker 2: he's long.
Speaker 4: It's a nice little thing. But the prophecy is that
Speaker 4: a goat.
Speaker 2: You know that the Chief seid in eighteen eighty three
Speaker 2: that it will go back to his people. And there's
Speaker 2: a world where I can imagine Tate going. I don't
Speaker 2: want it like this thing has been a thing that
Speaker 2: is so loaded. He is his father's son. His father
Speaker 2: wants a simple life, and he goes, I don't want it,
Speaker 2: and it shifts hands.
Speaker 3: We're missing something.
Speaker 4: What are we missing?
Speaker 3: We're missing Jamie had a child. I know John doesn't
Speaker 3: recognize him as a child anymore. But there's a sequence
Speaker 3: with Beth and Jamie and he's talking about his son.
Speaker 3: He talks about his son. So don't know where that's
Speaker 3: going to go, but I just wanted to bring that
Speaker 3: out there. There's this whole other unknown factor here.
Speaker 1: That is an excellent point, Scott. The future of this ranch.
Speaker 1: We've been diving into the past, the history of this ranch,
Speaker 1: and we've been identifying certain unknowns. The future of this
Speaker 1: ranch is shot through with unknowns, and I for one
Speaker 1: cannot wait to find out what happens to this generation
Speaker 1: of Dutton's that we've come to know and love in
Speaker 1: the Action of Yellowstone. So until next time, until we
Speaker 1: have some more answers. Thank you guys so so much
Speaker 1: for joining us.
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Speaker 4: See us soon.
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