1 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the official Yellowstone Podcast. It's 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Jefferson White here. I am joined as always by my 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: incomparable co host Jen Landon. Hey, Hey, we are so 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: so glad to have you with us today. As we've 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: been talking about three shows now eighteen eighty three, nineteen 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: twenty three and Yellowstone, you and I have done a 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: lot of research genealogy. We've been learning right alongside the fans, 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: how these characters relate to each other, how this history 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: really plays out. There's such a rich lore with this family. 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: So stand by, we're gonna be right back, and then 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: we're going to dig into it. You know, we we 12 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: took an embarrassingly long time sort of putting together the 13 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: basics of the family tree, and it's been so fun 14 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: to kind of look forward look back, especially when it 15 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: comes to nineteen twenty three, because we know Dutton's before that, 16 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: we know Dutton's after that. So today we're going to 17 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: kind of dig into how it all fits together and 18 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: what has really kept this family going, what has really 19 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: driven this family. So to that end, Jen and I 20 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: thought that it might be fun to have somebody to 21 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: chap this up with, and maybe somebody who's got a 22 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: better eagles eye perspective on all of this. 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of you may have caught us 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: referring to our beloved producer, mister Scott. 25 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: You know, they may also may not have caught us 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: referring to Scott, because he is in charge of this 27 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: whole thing. He's in charge of what stays in the 28 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: podcast and what gets cut out. So it's also entirely 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: possible that he's remained a mystery. He's protected his identity 30 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: much like a sort of Batman style figure. Scott, thank 31 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Man. You've been here 32 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: from the beginning of this thing. You are you are 33 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: a part not only of the DNA, of this podcast, 34 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: but also of the whole Yellowstone universe. You've been helping 35 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: us figure this out from the beginning. Anytime Jen and I, 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, have questions about this stuff, you always are 37 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: here to help us through it. So thank you so 38 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: much for being with us today and for being with 39 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: us on this journey. 40 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: Well, hey, guys, I appreciate it. You know. Just to clarify, 41 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: I'm not the no all authority on Yellowstone being part 42 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: of the inner circle here, so to speak. We only 43 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: know what the fans know. We don't necessarily know what's 44 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: going on in that mind of Taylor Sheridan. A lot 45 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 3: of it's still a mystery, so we unpack as we go. 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: That's what's so exciting about this whole process. You know, 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: as the show is airing, we are learning this mythology 48 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: as it goes, like from episode to episode, we are 49 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: right alongside the audience kind of putting together this family 50 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: t Okay. So right now we are lucky to live 51 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: in the age of Yellowstone. There's three shows that we 52 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: are drawing from this mythology from. So we've got eighteen 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: eighty three, we've got nineteen twenty three, and we've got Yellowstone, 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: and we are piecing together this map of the Dutton 55 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: family's journey from all three of those shows. 56 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: Before we begin, just want to give a little bit 57 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: of a spoiler alert for our audience, for anyone who 58 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: hasn't seen, you know, all of any of these shows, 59 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: and the one in particular I'm worried about is nineteen 60 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: twenty three. Since it is currently airing, there might be 61 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: some spoilers as we go through this family tree, so 62 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: just you know, turn the volume down when we get there. 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you haven't seen these shows yet, I encourage 64 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: you to go watch them because they are amazing and 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear your thoughts on them. So 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: if you haven't checked them out yet, go check them 67 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: out and then come back and comment on this podcast 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: with everything we got wrong. So beginning at the beginning 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty three, we are introduced to the very first 70 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: Dutton's chronologically that we've ever met, and that's James Dutton, 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: Tim McGraw and Margaret Dutton, Faith Hill, Jeffy. 72 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: If I can just say, James Dutton, that is a 73 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: bad man. Yeah, that is that dude. And I when 74 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 3: I first saw this guy, it was really funny because 75 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: you see him basically being attacked by these bandits and 76 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: Sam Elliott and La Monica Garrett are sitting on a 77 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: hill and they see him and they're just watching. They're 78 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: talking about this farmer. They called him a farmer. But 79 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: yet this guy gets off his horse and he is 80 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: like the og sniper. He snipes these guys. And I'm 81 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: thinking to myself, that's a bad dude. That's the DNA. 82 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: That's like where this all comes from with this Dutton family. 83 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: Wouldn't you say, absolutely. 84 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: Over time we see the Duttons take on more responsibility 85 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: and become perhaps more civilized. But James Dutton Tim McGraw, 86 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: he starts from a wild place. You know, we learned 87 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: over the actions of eighteen eighty three that he served 88 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: in the Civil War. He has this background as a soldier, 89 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: which so many of the Duttons do, as they're haunted 90 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: across generations by violence. And this is it's prior to 91 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: perhaps the civilization or the sort of comfort that later 92 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: generations of Duttons will come to know. So James and 93 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: Margaret are tough as hell. Yeah. 94 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 3: The women behind this really show through, and you know 95 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: they're first born. Is this most incredible woman you could 96 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: ever imagine? 97 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, Elsa herself their daughter. Yeah. 98 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because everybody that talks about the 99 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: Duttons talks about the men, the men, the Dutton family, 100 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: but it's the women that are the strength behind the buttons. 101 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like, unfortunately that's how the conversation 102 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: goes across the board. In all areas of life that 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: the focus does. 104 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: Tend to be. 105 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: You know, I'm the dude and the woman usually gets 106 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: short changed. But there are many instances where, you know, 107 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: when there is a more traditional model where the man 108 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: is more of the you know, doer in the world, 109 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: there is almost always a woman who's holding him together 110 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: with super glue and some plaster. 111 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, as we're talking about, you know, these ancestors, John 112 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: Dutton's ancestors, we have to remember that we're also talking 113 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: about Beth Dutton's ancestors. We're also talking about this long 114 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: line of women who, by the time we meet the 115 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: Duttons have come down to Beth, to this absolute force 116 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: of nature holding the Dutton ranch together with sheer force 117 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: of will. You know, So everyone we're talking about today 118 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: is also Beth's ancestors. 119 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: I wonder if Taylor picked up on a piece of 120 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: that in like that being a part of the conversation 121 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: around eighteen eighty three, because in nineteen twenty three, one 122 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: of the things that I love is that even though 123 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: that show comes out obviously it's the next season, it's 124 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: set roughly forty years later. It is the same generation 125 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: as the James and Margaret Dutton that we had gotten 126 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: to know in eighteen eighty three, And the first image 127 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: we get is not Jacob Dutton being a badass, but 128 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: it's Kara Dutton Helen Mirren who's got that first moment 129 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: that sort of sets the tone for the piece, And 130 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: in many ways, she feels like she feels positioned more 131 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: the way Beth, the way the Beth character does to 132 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: me in terms of her own mission and drive. 133 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. And there's this sort of recurring theme that 134 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: as the men go out and take care of the cattle, 135 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: often the ranch comes under asault, and the people left 136 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: to defend the ranch, the sort of toughest, last line, 137 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: scrappiest sort of defenders of the ranch are the women 138 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: who are staying at home and holding the whole thing together. 139 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: You know, as Kevin Costner goes out to be the 140 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: governor of Montana, it's a good thing. Beth's home. As 141 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: Jacob Dutton goes out to do this cattle drive, it's 142 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: a good thing. 143 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: Kara Dun the casting obviously, it's like, what it's a 144 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: no brainer. You get an opportunity of Helen marrin, you're 145 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: gonna take it. But her essence is so not that 146 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: of the diminutive female that she just brings that fearce 147 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: independence to every single piece that she does. 148 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. So starting you know, at the beginning, starting 149 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty three, we've got obviously James and Margaret, 150 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: that's Tim and faith for those of us, you know, 151 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: for their close personal friends. They've got their daughter, Elsa, 152 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: and they've also got two kids. So the only character 153 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: that man to survive from the action of eighteen eighty 154 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: three to the action of nineteen twenty three is John 155 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: Dutton Senior. God bless him. He hung on for those 156 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: intervening forty difficult, hard, hard fought years, Jeff just to clarify. 157 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: So in eighteen eighty three, we see them coming across 158 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: the country. They're on their way to Oregon. They get 159 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: to Montana, Elsa passes. They have this, you know, they 160 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: have this deal. Where she dies is where she stays, 161 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: where we all stay, where we set roots in our family. 162 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: And this is something that Margaret and James decided because 163 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: Margaret said on the truck, I don't want her to 164 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: be a signpost on the side of a trail where 165 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: she dies we stay. I don't know if you guys 166 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,479 Speaker 3: remember that, but it was very poignant. So they get 167 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: to Montana and I can't talk about this. I'm talking 168 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 3: about the relationship between James Dutton and Elsa. I mean, 169 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 3: talk about a father daughter relationship. That was just heart 170 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: wrenching to me, the sensitivity this guy had. The he's 171 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: this bad dude, as I said earlier, but yet with 172 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: his daughter, he's just a little you know, he crumbles 173 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 3: and he just does everything for her and it's just 174 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: a really amazing dynamic. But going forward, they actually have 175 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: a second son, and it's during this time right after 176 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: the show eighteen eighty three, but before nineteen twenty three, 177 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: and that is Spencer Dutton. So James and Margaret have 178 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: three children in total. Also who passes John Dutton who 179 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: we see in eighteen eighty three, and then Spencer Dutton, 180 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: who we get introduced to in nineteen twenty three. 181 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and who we see as a child in Yellowstone 182 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: season four's flashbacks. So Yellowstone season four has these two 183 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: flashbacks where we're first introduced to James and Margaret, and 184 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: at that time we're all so introduced for the first 185 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: time to not only John but to the young boy Spencer. Yes, exactly, Yeah, 186 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: And you're totally right that that relationship, the relationship between 187 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: James and Elsa is such a beautiful father daughter relationship 188 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: and it's amazing to watch the evolution of that over 189 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: the years, which leads up to the relationship between John Dutton, 190 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Costner and Beth Dutton. Another relationship between a man 191 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: and his daughter, another sort of partnership between a man 192 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: and his daughter that that's really beautiful in the Modernay. 193 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: Totally, And I know we hit on this before, but 194 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: just because now we've sort of moved into that next generation, 195 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: the one that has John Dutton, Spencer Dutton, Elsa, But 196 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: now in this nineteen twenty three world, I want to 197 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: look at how Kara and Jacob came. And we'll do 198 00:11:52,240 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: that after we take a quick break. Okay, So we 199 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: meet and spend time with James Dutton in eighteen eighty three. 200 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: We see in season four of Yellowstone in a flashback 201 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: that he is shot, that James is shot in the gut, 202 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 2: and in the first episode of nineteen twenty three we 203 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: hear Elsa talk about the passing of her father, which 204 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: is I just have to say, such amazing storytelling in 205 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: terms of having the brain space to reveal pieces over 206 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: three different shows. So now that we're here, we can 207 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: kind of get into the Kara Dutton and the Jacob 208 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: Dutton and how they got to the Dutton Ranch that 209 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: we have come to know in Love on Yellowstone. So 210 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: we know that James Dutton has passed away, right. We 211 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: know in the first episode of nineteen ten twenty three 212 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: that Margaret writes a letter to James's brother, Jacob Dutton 213 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: played by Harrison Ford, asking him to come and help 214 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: out on the ranch. So he and his wife Kara, 215 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: they come to the Dutton They arrive at the Dutton 216 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: ranch only to find Margaret Dutton frozen to death and 217 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: their two sons, John Dutton Senior, who we got to 218 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: know in eighteen eighty three and Spencer Dutton, who we 219 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: have not met yet, nearly starved to death and take 220 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: those boys in for their own that's right. 221 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: So by the time we get to the action of 222 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, those boys have grown up. John Dutton 223 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Senior is you know, he's forty five years old now. Spencer, 224 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: his little brother, is over in Africa, sort of haunted 225 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: by his own demons. It's interesting as we talk about 226 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: generations of this family, we're also talking about American history. 227 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: So James Dutton, Tim McGraw served in the Civil War, 228 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Answer Dutton served in World War one, and then Casey 229 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: Dutton in the Action of Yellowstone. We learn over the 230 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: Action of Yellowstone that he served overseas too, So it 231 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: really is also kind of war has haunted this family 232 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: over generations, just as it's haunted the whole world. You 233 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: know that these global conflicts continue to sort of pull 234 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: young men from their homes and thrust them into the 235 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: mouth of hell, as it were. 236 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: Well, which begs the question, there is a time period 237 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: between nineteen twenty three and present day. Are we going 238 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: to get to see what happens in there? Who is 239 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: the predecessor to John Dutton as we know him today, 240 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: Who are his what is his exact lineage? 241 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: Do me know that that's a complicated question, Scott. I 242 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: think we're piecing that together slowly as more information is 243 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: revealed in nineteen twenty three, and I've seen some really 244 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: great theories on social media. I've seen fans work to 245 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: piece that together. You know, we hear in the opening 246 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: voiceover narration of nineteen twenty three, you know that only 247 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: one of Elsa's father's children live long enough to see 248 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: their children grow up, which is remarkably evocative, but also, 249 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, mysterious linguistication. 250 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: It feels like a riddle. It feels like one of 251 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: those riddles that you would sit around and think about. 252 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: Well, I know Jen has been cultivating this and mulling 253 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: this over because we've talked about this a couple times. 254 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: And I love when I'm gonna. I love when we 255 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: all find out that I'm wrong. 256 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: So your theory, Jin, talk us through your theory. 257 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: Okay. 258 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: So and again, let's like really check what Elsa says. 259 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: My father had two sons, right, only one of them. 260 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: Will live to see theirs. 261 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: Grown, meaning only one of those two sons. Is it 262 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: is that roughly correct, we'll live to see their own 263 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: son grow, right? 264 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 265 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: And I think the problem you have with that has 266 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: been what has grown means? 267 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: Right? This is where it starts to feel like, well, 268 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: like for me, my thought is okay, but we know 269 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: that we lose John Dutton Sr. Right, And you might 270 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: have this moment where you're like, yay, this means Spencer 271 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: Dutton lives, and which is very exciting because we all 272 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: like Spencer Dutton because he's cool in every way possible. 273 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: He's really cool. We have to all it cool. Let's 274 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: just spend a second talking about perhaps the coolest Dutton 275 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: we've met, with all due respect the other Dutton, Spencer Spencer's. 276 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: He's a cool Dutton. And also because he's giving off. 277 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if any of you pick us up 278 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: like soft Harrison form Indiana Jones vibes, you know, like 279 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: immediately when you look at him, it feels like a 280 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: nod at that, which I hope was intentional because I 281 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: thought it was so smart. 282 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: The clothes, you know, the costume design. Spencer's costume design 283 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: really seems to pay homage to get our boy, Harrison 284 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: Ford's Obscure film Indiana Jones. 285 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: Listen, we're digressing, and I'm gonna digress from one more 286 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: second because when we when we meet the Alexandra character, 287 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: I just have to say, in terms of taking costumes 288 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: that are homages to other characters and movies that we love, 289 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: I mean she also just like the second I looked 290 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: at her, I thought it's Meryl streep in Out of Africa, 291 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: you know, just down to I mean, just her physicality 292 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: and everything. But to go back, guys, so John doesn't 293 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 2: Senior dies, We think, yay, we get to keep Spencer Dutton. 294 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: He's going to be with us for a while, and 295 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: then you go, wait a minute, she said, only one 296 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: of them lives to see there's grown. We know that 297 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: John didn't see her. You has a son, Jack Dutton, 298 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: and Jack Dutton is getting married. 299 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: You just you know, you soft rolled us into a 300 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: whole new generation of Dutton's here. So John Dutton Senior, 301 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: who passes away in episode three of nineteen twenty three violently, 302 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: as is often the way with our Duttons, has a son, 303 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: Jack Dutton, and that brings us You know that that's 304 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: our youngest generation of Dutton's in nineteen twenty three. So 305 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: the question that we're sort of caught up on here 306 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: is in terms of Elsa's you know, foreboding prophecy or prologue, 307 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: is that the grown Dutton child, thus implying that Spencer 308 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: also doesn't live to see his children gown. 309 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 3: Well, that's an interesting thought because we know later on 310 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: Yellowstone we're using the name John, which would imply it's 311 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 3: coming from the John Dutton senior lineage, or is it? 312 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 3: You know, you take a look at Jack Dutton and 313 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: it's funny because I don't feel Dutton from Jack Dutton. 314 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: Where does the lineage go? Does Spencer have children with 315 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 3: alexand Andre is it Alexandra we know now that he 316 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: finally finds out what's going on back home. And I mean, 317 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys, but what a scene 318 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 3: like Taylor pulls on heartstrings? 319 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also just you hit on a thing that 320 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 2: is to say, like again, the lineage of the Duttons 321 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: that we see in Yellowstone can absolutely come from Jack 322 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: or Spencer. Spencer's according to Elsa's as you said, Jeff, prologuer, 323 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: premonition or whatever it is, absolutely can have kids. He 324 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: could have ten kids, but he will not see any 325 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: of them grow up. Oh, is that what you're taking 326 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: from thee because as you were saying that, because I 327 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: wasn't thinking that a moment ago, but as you were talking, 328 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: there's absolutely no version of that. The thing that els 329 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: has said, he can have a ton of kids, but 330 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: according to the prophecy, the only rule is he will not. 331 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 4: Live to see those kids grow up. 332 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: So the mystery remains, which son and uh, Scott, to 333 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: your point about Jack, though, I mean, he's such a 334 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: fun character. I do also I do agree that I 335 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: feel like the Spencer Dutton stoicism is sort of Jeff, 336 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: You're making a face. Am I own tricky territory here? Well? 337 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: No, I mean I just I won't. I won't stand 338 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: for Jack Dunnet. I am not under Jack Dutton. 339 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: I think the young man, the Jack Dutton character, I'm 340 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: not sure like how his recklessness is going to play 341 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: out for his survival in the long run. 342 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting because in the world of Yellowstone, 343 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: you guys talked about many times, we don't know who's 344 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: going to survive and who's not. You know, we're introduced 345 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 3: to John Dutton Senior, and and I'm looking at this 346 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: and I'm looking at this character, amazing character. I'm thinking, Okay, 347 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: here we go. Here's what would typically happen. This man 348 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 3: grows older, he's the firstborn son, he's going to take 349 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: over the ranch. Dude gets killed. Yeah, I mean, who 350 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: would expect that. It's just it's it's a It's again, 351 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: it's an ongoing theme within Yellowstone. You don't know who's 352 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 3: gonna die, and people die. 353 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to learn the lesson. We got to 354 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: learn the Lee Dutton lesson. Taylor showed us Lee Dutton 355 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: the sort of eldest son, the promised heir to the throne, 356 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: in episode one of Yellowstone, and then he ripped us, 357 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, he ripped him away. He stole Dave Annabel 358 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: from us, in the same way that he's now stolen 359 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: this James Badgdale performance. Because James Badge Dale or you 360 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: know GBD, if you're freaky, that's an incredible character actor. 361 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: And to have that performance robbed from us, I'll never 362 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: forgive Taylor for that. But also, you know, great decision, boss, 363 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: really good storytelling, great TV. 364 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: All Right, so we've moved, we're on this. We're kind 365 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: of mixing generations here. We're at the John Dutton, Spencer Dutton, 366 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: and John Dutton's son, Jack Dutton, and I just want 367 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: to take a moment here because we started off the 368 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: show with a thema talking about the women behind them. 369 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: I would like to take a moment to talk about 370 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: or just maybe give a shout out to Emma Dutton, 371 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: who's played by Marley Shelton, an actress I worked with 372 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 2: years ago I am obsessed with. We have Alexandra, who 373 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: Spencer meets in Africa and that seems to be this 374 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: sort of world opening experience for him. And then we 375 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: have Elizabeth Strafford, who Jack Dutton is marrying. So I'm 376 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: excited to see how all of these women play out 377 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: in this world in collaborating with these men and building lives. 378 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: And so we're going to take a quick break, and 379 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 2: when we come back, we are going to dive into 380 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: the generations of Dutton's that we first came to know 381 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: and love, which is the Dutton's on Yellowstone. 382 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: You know, a little bit earlier, Jent I was giving 383 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: Spencer Dutton his flowers, you know, I was, I was 384 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: giving big ups to Spencer Dutton because he's cool. We 385 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: love him, we love you know, he's He's clearly an 386 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: amazing sort of intrepid adventurer. But I would be remiss 387 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: not to mention the O G. Casey Dutt. Yeah, Casey 388 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: Dutton to me seems like such a clear descendant of Spencer. 389 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: And this is we're going into pure speculation, but I 390 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: can't help but feel Spencer Dutton's DNA coursing through Casey 391 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: Dutton's veins. 392 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 4: I totally feel that as well. 393 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 2: And the same way that that Spencer Dutton sort of 394 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: remind me of Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones. And again, 395 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: this movie has nothing to do with. 396 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: It, but. 397 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: Casey always gives me Brad Pitt vibes from what's the 398 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 2: what do you know the movie I'm talking about Legends 399 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: of the Fall. 400 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt gives me Luke Grimes vibe. 401 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 4: I would agree with that one hundred percent, all. 402 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: Right, so I'll agree. Casey Dutton awesome guy. I mean, 403 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: he's one of my favorite characters. He this dude again 404 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 3: goes back. I know you want to relate him more 405 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 3: to Spenser, but he's a James I mean right, he's 406 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: in his gilly suit and he's a sniper too, by 407 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: the way. But before that, you know, where do we 408 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: get to John Dutton? If you guys remember in season two, 409 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: there's a scene of John Dutton, our John Dutton sitting 410 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 3: with his father. Oh yeah, John Dutton the second and 411 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: that's when he actually promises to never sell the ranch. 412 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: He made an promise, which is the ongoing theme that 413 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: we see. But so we've got this generation. We know 414 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: that somewhere between nineteen twenty three and current Yellowstone we 415 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: now are into the John Dutton's. We don't know where 416 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: it comes from, but we've got this stoic character, Kevin Costner, 417 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 3: John Dutton, who is how do I even explain him. 418 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he's the godfather of it all. But as 419 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 3: we see, he's also struggling with the modernization of what's happening. 420 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: As we saw in nineteen twenty three, you know, we 421 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 3: go from eighteen eighty three everything's horse drawn. You see 422 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty three we go into the city and 423 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: there's cars. So what's next and where are we at now? 424 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: It's almost like we're in this new evolution of Yellowstone 425 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: as well. That's happening. 426 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. So John Dutton Senior, we get 427 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: to know his kids in episode one of Yellowstone, the 428 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: very first episode of the show, we get to know 429 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: all four of John and Evelyn's children. That's their oldest son, 430 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: Lee Dutton. You got Jamie Dutton, middle child Beth Dutton, 431 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: and then the youngest, Casey Dutton. Now we tragically lose 432 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: Lee Dutton in episode one of Yellowstone. This ranch has 433 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: fed and sustained the Dutton family for generations, but it's 434 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: also cost many of them their lives in a violent 435 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: in a violent way. So not only are we introduced 436 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: to John Dutton's kids, but over the action of Yellowstone, 437 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 1: we're introduced to his grandson Tate Dutton. 438 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: Now tell me if I'm wrong the Tate is the 439 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: seventh generation, and I'll explain what I'm referring to, which 440 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: the sort of premonition at the end of eighteen eighty 441 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: three when the Native American chief says, in seven generations, 442 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: my people will rise up and take it back from you, 443 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 2: and James says, in seven generations, you can have it. 444 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a fascinating thing. You know, we've we've 445 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: been focusing on the Dutton family and talking about the 446 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: Dutton family, but there's another family at the very heart 447 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: of this show, and that is Thomas Rainwaters family, the 448 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: Rainwaters that go back not just seven generations, not just 449 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: eight generations, but deep, deep, deep into the history of 450 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: this place. 451 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: You know, ultimately we're going to probably get that reveal 452 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: of how this all, what the through line is. You know, 453 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 3: we've got other characters. We've us got Monica, who is 454 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: again not a true Dutton, she wasn't born to Dutton, 455 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 3: but in many ways stronger. 456 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're really right to point out that Tait isn't 457 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: just the seventh generation of Dutton. He also comes from 458 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: another long tradition of family that's been here perhaps longer 459 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: than the Duttons. In Monica's family who you know, no 460 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: pun intended. Her maiden name is Long, her grandfather's name 461 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: is Felix Long. So there are many other character whose 462 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: family ties to this region even pre date the Duttons, 463 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: you know. 464 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: And I wonder if in nineteen twenty three, some of 465 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: the characters that we are getting to know in the 466 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: Native American you know, quote quote unquote boarding schools, AKAA, 467 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: you know, eradication schools, if any of the characters are 468 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: meeting in that world are actually ancestors of the Native 469 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: American characters and storyline that we were seeing playing out 470 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: in Yellowstone. 471 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 4: And that's TBD. 472 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: This is one of the really amazing things I think 473 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: about Taylor. There's a history here, but I think we 474 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: also Taylor is representing American history. But I also think 475 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: it's very important to always remember, as Taylor does and 476 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: includes here, that there's more than one history. There's there's 477 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: an idea of the West as written by you know, 478 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: by the victors, some might say, or by the encroachers, 479 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: by the sort of invaders that the Duttons themselves read 480 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: present to a certain extent, And then there's an even 481 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: older history as written by the native communities that far 482 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: predate the Duttons. So Taylor is sort of showing these 483 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: parallel histories and how they sometimes collide and come into conflict, 484 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: and then perhaps in Tate, how they sometimes also come 485 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: into alignment. 486 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know, an interesting thought trailing on that we 487 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: go back to the seven generations. It goes back to 488 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: the indigenous people, the Native Americans. But in some way 489 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 3: you just brought a thought to the forefront of my mind. 490 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: Tait is half Native American, right, So is that is 491 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: it going back to them? And how do we bring 492 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: it in? 493 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: In some ways that's always been my hunch, and because 494 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: we've also set up this one, I mean, this historical 495 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: relationship between you know, European settlers and Native Americans and 496 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: the wars that have broken up between them, and then 497 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: that war sort of being mimicked. Even in that first 498 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: episode of Yellowston between Monica and Casey with the killing 499 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: of the brothers, right, that felt very Shakespearean. You know, 500 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: I just think of a you know, the is it 501 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet who says like a curse 502 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: on both your houses or something, And then it feels 503 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: like Tate is the sort of, in a way, the 504 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: thing that would end that battle, because everybody in some 505 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: way gets to hold on to it. I'm not speaking 506 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: very eloquently about it because it's something I feel like 507 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm treading on slightly dangerous ground. But it does feel like, 508 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: doesn't it feel like to you guys, the sort of 509 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: merging of the worlds. 510 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful. I think that's a beautiful idea 511 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 1: if Tate can hold on to it. One of the 512 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: enduring themes of Yellowstone is, hey, can this ranch last 513 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: long enough for Tate to inherit it? Or are these 514 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: encroaching forces from the outside gonna pit to pieces and 515 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: melt it down in the furnace of the modern American economics? 516 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: And they had like a random fantasy thought, right, we 517 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: think that Tate is the obvious, like that's who's going 518 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: to get it, because he's like, you know, he's dutton, 519 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: he's long. 520 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 4: It's a nice little thing. But the prophecy is that 521 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 4: a goat. 522 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 2: You know that the Chief seid in eighteen eighty three 523 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: that it will go back to his people. And there's 524 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: a world where I can imagine Tate going. I don't 525 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: want it like this thing has been a thing that 526 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: is so loaded. He is his father's son. His father 527 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: wants a simple life, and he goes, I don't want it, 528 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: and it shifts hands. 529 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 3: We're missing something. 530 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 4: What are we missing? 531 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: We're missing Jamie had a child. I know John doesn't 532 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 3: recognize him as a child anymore. But there's a sequence 533 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: with Beth and Jamie and he's talking about his son. 534 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 3: He talks about his son. So don't know where that's 535 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 3: going to go, but I just wanted to bring that 536 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: out there. There's this whole other unknown factor here. 537 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: That is an excellent point, Scott. The future of this ranch. 538 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: We've been diving into the past, the history of this ranch, 539 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: and we've been identifying certain unknowns. The future of this 540 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: ranch is shot through with unknowns, and I for one 541 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: cannot wait to find out what happens to this generation 542 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: of Dutton's that we've come to know and love in 543 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: the Action of Yellowstone. So until next time, until we 544 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: have some more answers. 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