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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Karen and Georgia and we are so

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Speaker 1: thrilled that Jake Brennan's legendary true crime music podcast, Disgraceland,

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Speaker 1: is now on the Exactly Right Network. That's right.

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Speaker 2: If you like true crime and music, you're going to

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Speaker 2: love Disgraceland.

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Speaker 1: New episodes of disgrace Land drop every Tuesday, with bonus

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Speaker 1: episodes on Thursday, and rewinds on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: And at the end of this episode, we're going to

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Speaker 2: play the Disgraceland trailer for you, so make sure you

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Speaker 2: stick around and listen to that.

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Speaker 1: And after you listen, head over to disgraceland Feed and

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Speaker 1: hit follow so you can binge over two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty award winning episodes and.

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Speaker 2: You'll be glad you did. And don't forget to follow

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Speaker 2: Disgraceland right now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye, hello, and welcome.

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Speaker 1: I'm my favorite Murder.

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Speaker 4: That's Georgia Hardstar, that's Karen Kilgarath, and today we are

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Speaker 4: very excited we have a big announcement two of our

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Speaker 4: and it's such an exciting thing to be telling you about.

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Speaker 1: Right now, everyone murderinos. This is Jake Brennan. I'm just

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Speaker 1: Graceland and Hollywood Land and he's joining exactly right media.

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Speaker 1: I am indeed yes, and I'm very happy about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm very psyched. You can't believe I'm here. This is

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Speaker 5: Actually, I feel like this has been in the works

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Speaker 5: it's just the universe and all the people pulling the right.

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Speaker 6: And I could not be happier to be here. And

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Speaker 6: just thanks. Yeah, psyched, Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's perfect. It's like a perfect mix. We were like

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Speaker 5: It's been ever since we did that event back in

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Speaker 5: We had great chemistry on stage together, so this is

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we know our audience loves you because you

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Speaker 2: did that during COVID. I don't know if you remember

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Speaker 5: Like I saw the Ramones when I was ten years old,

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Speaker 6: She really is, and a lot of people don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this I don't know if you know this,

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00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 5: but this is a quintessential La record. And Arthur Lee

442
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 5: from Love has a kind of true crime past as well,

443
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,359
Speaker 5: So oh say what it is?

444
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,159
Speaker 6: So there you go. Love of Ye with Arthur Lee,

445
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 6: Reel to.

446
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 2: Real is the band. When it was like this, I

447
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 2: thought it was the Go Gos. The first album where

448
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, you've named but now I'll listen to

449
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 2: this because it's something I don't know.

450
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 5: I guarantee you that Charlotte Kathy for the Go Gos

451
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 5: was listening to that album when she was writing a

452
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 5: lot of the riffs that were on the first Go

453
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 5: Gos album for sure.

454
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 2: Sorry, can you just look at this group of people

455
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: real quick? Oh wow, this is like LA nineteen seventy two.

456
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: You met Charles Manson?

457
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a fucking seventy four seventy four amazing

458
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 2: Thank you?

459
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 1: You got it all right? So, Georgia, who am I

460
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: moving on?

461
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: Who am I get to know yourself?

462
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 1: Jake Brennan the Bottom Pressure, Ellie, I'm going to be

463
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 1: a fun.

464
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 5: It's all show tunes, kind of goth show tunes by

465
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 5: the Cramps. Yeah, so I know about the Danzig and

466
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 5: Henry Rollins lore in my favorite Murder and I actually

467
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 5: was looking for a Danzig album couldn't find it. This

468
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 5: is actually better, I don't yeah, the first Crans record.

469
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 5: It's just you cannot mess with this album.

470
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 7: Thank you.

471
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: This is amazing. This is the Cramp's greatest hits. I

472
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: don't own this. It's so beautiful. I'm honored. Where's this?

473
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 2: What is this?

474
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 1: The Ballroom? The Mental institution.

475
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 5: No, it's not the mental institution one, but it's just

476
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure where that pictures from.

477
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: But great songs on that album, love this and I

478
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: love that they were in Glendale.

479
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, just hanging out around here.

480
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 6: I gotta say it is serial killery around here, isn't

481
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 6: it really is.

482
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 1: It's truly like a lot of cement and like long

483
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 1: blocks of nothing.

484
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, dirt, there's dirt lots. Whe're like, what's over in

485
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: the corner over there for just keep driving.

486
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of places to dump bodies.

487
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: Totally or like the Hillside Strangler had their shop right

488
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: around here, very close to here.

489
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: Really it's and that alone is like what portal to

490
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 2: hell opened? Where that took place exactly right?

491
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 6: Get me careful, you can get sucked into that portal.

492
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of portals, evans Uh, this has come on

493
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 5: Field the Lemonheads, which is not not the one with

494
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 5: all the hits, but it's still amazing. It's not it's

495
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 5: a shame about Ray. I actually think this is better

496
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 5: and it's a nineties connection gen X. You know that

497
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 5: I am and and I'm from Boston.

498
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: So oh my god, it's beautiful.

499
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, and also Evan Dando's one of the most

500
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: beautiful people on the planet.

501
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: He really truly is.

502
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 5: You know. I toured with him for a quick like

503
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 5: three or four days, just me, him and my friend

504
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 5: Greg Conley, was tour managing, and in addition to all

505
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 5: the insanity times a million that you could imagine from him,

506
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 5: he was the sweetest guy. And he never said a

507
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 5: negative thing about anybody.

508
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: Wow, that's hard how to do, and it.

509
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 6: Really I even baited him a couple of times.

510
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 5: I was like reading Rolls One, I wonder about this asshole,

511
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, you like, wouldn't go there.

512
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I could be friends with someone because

513
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: like that's how I bond with people, was like just

514
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: talking some shit.

515
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 6: And it was a real eye opener for me, It

516
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 6: really was.

517
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 5: It was such a strong thing that it wasn't an accident,

518
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like he must have had

519
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 5: some governing instinct when he was a kid to kind

520
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 5: of make him that way.

521
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: Which is well, maybe it's just his life as a

522
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: beautiful person where he's like everybody's okay, You're just like

523
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: you need to get kitchen the teeth of.

524
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 5: Cover right time, right what's wrong with life when doors

525
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 5: just fly open for you and supermodels want to sleep

526
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 5: at you.

527
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 6: Everybody wants to give you all their drugs.

528
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 2: Give you drugs and food and all this time it's

529
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: like not my experience.

530
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, this just didn't call me up and invite

531
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 6: me on tour. Dude, I don't know what you're talking about.

532
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: This, Okay, this is so cool?

533
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 6: All right?

534
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: Yuh?

535
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 6: You know this kind of like the Arthur Wee thing,

536
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 6: the Love album. I want for a little more obscure here.

537
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 5: This is the Luvin Brothers Satan is Real, which look

538
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 5: at that that looks like a Slayer album cover from

539
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 5: like the nineteen fifties or forties.

540
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: I know this song. It's fucking incredible. It's like a

541
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: gospel song.

542
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, but.

543
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: Satan is Real, which is like they're like anti Satan,

544
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: but you could listen to it.

545
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 6: It's a warning. It's very much Satan is Real. Watch

546
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 6: out what you're doing.

547
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: I love that. This is like I feel this. It's heavy.

548
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what music was really weighty.

549
00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: This is incredible. I'm going to put it on our

550
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: record wall.

551
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 6: We have like the Nice Nice So there you go,

552
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 6: thank you.

553
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to listen to the Drunkard's Doom by myself.

554
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 5: Even brothers are good for that for sure. And they

555
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 5: hate each other and hated each other and wanted to

556
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 5: kill each other. So there, oh yeah, there's there's in

557
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 5: a disgrace in episode coming on moving Brothers.

558
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: Yes, how long does it take you to like because

559
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: you get deep, like we do homework podcast, but it's

560
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: like a week of homework you do same.

561
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, But to what Karen was saying earlier, it's a

562
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 5: life's long kind of you know, baseline education and understanding

563
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 5: of this stuff. And then the week of research is

564
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 5: I kind of know where the bodies are buried, so

565
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 5: to speak, and where to look.

566
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 6: And it wasn't always like that.

567
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 5: I mean the first episode took like six months, almost

568
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 5: a year to put put together, just the first episode,

569
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: you know, because you're just figuring things out, you don't

570
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 5: know what's what. But yeah, it's a week to research,

571
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 5: and then it's a week to write, and then I

572
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 5: don't know how long the guys take to produce it

573
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 5: because we have a production cycle, but you know, call

574
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 5: it a week for that. Mabe.

575
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: I don't wave your hands like that. They can see us, right, now, no,

576
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: are you kidding me?

577
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 5: There?

578
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: Truly the only reason, Thank you guys.

579
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna make a confession that I love

580
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: that merch that you have your bag, which is basically

581
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: four of your big stories. I could not finish the

582
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: Big Lurch episode. It was the most horrifying story.

583
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty horrifying, so bad, and I was just.

584
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: Like, I remember where I was. It was my old

585
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: house in the backyard. And then I was just like,

586
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, I can't do this. And I

587
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: was like, I don't really have You know, as we

588
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: people who listen to true crime or pay attention to it,

589
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: it's like you're used to certain things. That story is

590
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: so above and beyond.

591
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, cannibalism is above and beyond all of it. And

592
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 5: it's tough. I've run into that. I'm coming up on

593
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 5: one actually that I don't know how I'm going to

594
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 5: tell that.

595
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: No, that was that I could get through.

596
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 6: That was just feces.

597
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: I could work my way through that.

598
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 5: Nazis And yeah, but the Ian Watkins lost profits thing.

599
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 5: I've never done anything that involves kids. He was such

600
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 5: a dirtbag and he died in a way that you know,

601
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 5: I don't like seeing violence being foisted upon anybody. But

602
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 5: it was just it's a very dramatic story, and it's

603
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 5: a current, kind of a current story. So which one

604
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 5: is that I don't know, lost lost prophets.

605
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 6: I haven't done it yet.

606
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: It's it's a horrible act of pedophilia that's like so

607
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: beyond shocking that you're just kind of like what in

608
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: the living.

609
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 6: Happened to exactly? Yeah, it's brutal, horrible.

610
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: Are there any that you won't do? Like, we have

611
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: true crime stories that we just don't cover because it's

612
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: just the dregs of humanity and it's the absolute worst,

613
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: and there's no way to like spin it the way

614
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: we like to do with like victims advocacy and like

615
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: making it a story that's somehow palatable.

616
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have those, Yeah I do.

617
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 8: I do.

618
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: I have a couple.

619
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 5: And for various reasons, the again the kids thing, like

620
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 5: everyone's like you should do a Gary Glitter episode, I'm like, don't.

621
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 5: I'm good man, I don't want my had to, you know.

622
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 5: But with the Ian Walkins saying I think I know

623
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 5: how to do it. I've tried doing the Elliott Smith story.

624
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 5: I researched it at ending and there's a lot there

625
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 5: that his friends you can just tell her, are such

626
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: love for him, and it's so sad. And I'm not

627
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 5: saying I won't do it at some point, I just

628
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: don't know how to do it and have really a

629
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: reason to do it, because I don't have a point.

630
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm same I thought about doing it.

631
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: It is literally heartbreaking answer it was for him, So

632
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: I feel like he was this entity that was doing

633
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: a thing for my experience. Like the first I remember

634
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: where I was when my friend put that CD in

635
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: her car CD player and was like, you have to

636
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: hear this, and then we just sat there like, uh

637
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 2: oh am I going to sob so hard. I never

638
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: stopped crying, like what's happening to me? And later this

639
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: is my big brag and I'm sure I've told you sorry.

640
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: But he would play at Largo where we would do

641
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: comedy shows, so there was crossover, and he came and

642
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: did when me and Mary Lynn did Girls Guitar Club,

643
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: and he came and was our guest on the show

644
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: just because he was in town, and like Flannagan got

645
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: him to do it or whatever, and I think we

646
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: had eighteen people in the crowd.

647
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 5: We do.

648
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: It was not a sellout show in any way. My

649
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: friend David still thanks me for like I can't believe

650
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: I was there when I got to see that we're.

651
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: Intimate show and he play his own songs. Yep, oh

652
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: my god. I was about to have a like I

653
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: saw him once that it doesn't even come.

654
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: But then afterwards, here's my double brag. Triple brag is

655
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: that afterwards we were standing in the back because our

656
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: act that I did with my friend Mary Lynn, it

657
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: was all just like play the guitar even if you

658
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: don't know how to, and then we'd like go into

659
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: a cover where we're barely doing like the open chords

660
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: and stuff, and it got a little bit better as

661
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: it went on.

662
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: Very I saw it. I was in the crowd watching

663
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: you not that night. Unfortunately.

664
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Speaker 2: I know should have come to our Valentine show.

665
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 5: Really great you were at the Money Money Boston's or

666
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 5: you're at something She's a.

667
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: Full ska nice. But all I was gonna say is

668
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: that I got to have a conversation with him after

669
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: because we were he was complimenting what we did, where

670
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: I was like, please don't do this. I'll have a

671
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: nervous breakdown. And then he started talking to me about

672
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: how much his voice bothered him and that he didn't

673
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: like and I watched a person who I was like,

674
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: this is what artists do to themselves. Nothing's good enough,

675
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: it's always bad. It's this thing where you think you're

676
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: and him as a person who was the least disappointing

677
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: performer and musician, I felt like I'd ever kind of

678
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: experienced every time I watched him perform, like when he

679
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: was on the Oscars and it was like so vulnerable,

680
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: everyone was so rapped, and it was like and it

681
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: was perfection and that song was it was such a

682
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: time and place and to hear him just being like,

683
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I wish my voices but where I was like, no, no, no,

684
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: please don't do it. And that it inspired me later

685
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: because I love to pull myself apart and be like,

686
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: and that's why you don't do anything. And it's like,

687
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: if that ma did that to himself, if only he

688
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: had delusion or whatever it is to just not do

689
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: that to yourself, to keep going, how it could have

690
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: perhaps been different, and maybe it's like many wouldn't have

691
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: been himself, but it made me later, just go, don't

692
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: shut the door on yourself because you've decided it isn't

693
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: good when people love.

694
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 6: It, right right?

695
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: Love that?

696
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

697
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 6: I love that too. And that's the thing with art.

698
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 6: It's the best art. I don't care what medium it is.

699
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 5: It's risky, whether it's a guy who doesn't like his

700
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 5: voice but sings like an angel, or it's a comedian

701
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: who ends up talking into a microphone all the time

702
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: and has to push past whatever you're thinking about with

703
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 5: your voice. And I think we all kind of do

704
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 5: that and in some weird, cosmic, spiritual call it whatever

705
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 5: you want way, that risk, the energy of taking that

706
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 5: risk ends up in the work, and I feel like

707
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 5: it ends up attracting people, you know what I mean,

708
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 5: Like it makes it. I don't know, I don't know.

709
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 6: It's magic.

710
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: That's why you can't define it.

711
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: You know, there's like a seventh sense of like, oh,

712
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: that's a human being actually being a human being right

713
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: like right in front of us, Like go over there,

714
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: because that's permission that like you're doing it now, I

715
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: can do it.

716
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: Yes, And you can connect with it on a way

717
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: that's not just like corporate.

718
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, for real, we're going.

719
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: To play a game.

720
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Do you want to do musical mad libs?

721
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, I've never played musical mad libs.

722
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 6: Well, I'm a little scared.

723
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: Kate shell and Bach I haven't either. You might know

724
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: her from Luscius Jackson.

725
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: You know, it's kind of odd that you have a

726
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 5: member of your staff who's actually been in a disgrace

727
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 5: Sounded episode. When I got connected with her on an email,

728
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 5: I was like, oh fuck, oh shit, And I Google

729
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 5: word searched her name in my just to make you

730
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 5: boys episode, just to make sure it was cool, and

731
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 5: thank you Kate for being cool.

732
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. We that's like our like exactly right. Brag is

733
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: that Kate Shellen works with us.

734
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: I've been on a thread with my family all day

735
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 5: talking about how I was going hang with the Beastie

736
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 5: boy no.

737
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 6: Offense guys, Oh.

738
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: You know the out Yeah? Really Okay. So I'm not

739
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: going to tell you the song obviously, and I think,

740
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: what am I doing here? What's the Have you ever

741
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: played mad lips? So I'm just going to ask you

742
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: for random now the battleships, right, do you drop the

743
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: checkers in? I'll just be asking you for forms of

744
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: the English language and then we're going to be plugging

745
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: them in and reading new lyrics to an old song.

746
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: Oh it's lyrics grammar.

747
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: Here, I'll help you.

748
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I'm.

749
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: There's no adverbs.

750
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: I've written a book though.

751
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: How did that happen? How did you get the editor?

752
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: Editors? Editors? Editors?

753
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: So we are starting with adjective?

754
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I got you.

755
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: That's a description, work, got that? So any kind of

756
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: descriptor good? Bad? Sideways? Oh?

757
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: Any, that's right? So's any? Yeah? What you got?

758
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 6: Stinky?

759
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: Yes?

760
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: And as like fourth grade as you can be with

761
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: these words. I think it's more fun and mad lips? Right?

762
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: You have a fourth grader? Right?

763
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 6: So I have a sixth grader and a second grader?

764
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 5: Oh? Perfect?

765
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: Do they like mad lips?

766
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: Have they done this?

767
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: I don't think they have actually come on stopped depriving

768
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 5: real what do you They don't know that the internet

769
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 5: exists yet.

770
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 6: So we're working up to mad libs.

771
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: Okay, So well this next one is good natural disaster?

772
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 8: Oh, any natural disaster or historical naturally whatever you want?

773
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 8: Hurricane okay, no body part penis sure? I figured I

774
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 8: would just take it there. I'm blushing place you're asking

775
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 8: me all these what are drinking?

776
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 6: Glendale?

777
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: Sweet noun?

778
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: You go with the now, okay, let it flow. I

779
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: can't think of a word. I've never thought my entire life.

780
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: I've never said a word. I don't person place her

781
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: thing I know, but Elvis nice, Jesus fucking Christ.

782
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: Emotion, melancholy, deep.

783
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 9: Direction, Oh h you turn sure direction? I think it

784
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 9: can't be absolutely direction, another direction, reverse.

785
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: Weather phenomenon.

786
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 5: How's that different than a natural disaster? Oh you'll see

787
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 5: a phenomenon so singular not phenomena?

788
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 6: True ah, mud slide.

789
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: Perfect person Jerry Lee a crime past tense.

790
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: This is a crossbird was.

791
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: A living being?

792
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: Humanoid?

793
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 6: That could have been band name too?

794
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah?

795
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: True object?

796
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 6: Microphone, body part?

797
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: You do this one fingernail noun, dump truck. This is

798
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: this is peak podcasting noun, kaleidoscope.

799
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 6: Concept concept.

800
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: Black hole?

801
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: Go nice shape?

802
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 6: Is it an anagram? Is that the weird.

803
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: Triangle?

804
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: Thank you? Common shape? I should have said a living

805
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: being again, Jesus, I'll do this living being.

806
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 6: Jesus, he's not living.

807
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you.

808
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: Say a dance style interpretive.

809
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: If anyone's sweating, I'm sweating.

810
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: Almost done this sound effect, sound effect splat nice and finally,

811
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: Italian last name, Italian last name?

812
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 6: Can I give my wife's maid name? Petrolia?

813
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: Nice?

814
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: Ready?

815
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to read you now the new lyrics

816
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: to Bohemian Rhapsody. Is this the stinky life? Is this

817
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: just fantasy? Caught in a hurricane? No escape from reality?

818
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: Open your penis, look up to the Glendale and see

819
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: I'm just a poor Elvis. I need no melancholy because

820
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: I'm easy coming, easy go little U turn, little reverse. Anyway,

821
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: the mud slides doesn't really matter to Jerry Lee Lewis.

822
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: Mama just murdered a humanoid, put a microphone against his fingernail,

823
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: pulled my dump truck.

824
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Now he's dead.

825
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: Carrie Kaleidoscope, Carrie Kaleidoscope, as if black hole really matters.

826
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: Skipping the opera part, going to I see a little

827
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: triangle o of Elvis Costello, Scaramuge, Scarramuge. Will you do

828
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: the interpretive dance splat and lightning, very very frightening, Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Petrolia.

829
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: It's like a love song for your wife. That is impressive.

830
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm actually so did you guys? I don't know anything

831
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: about this yourself.

832
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: I know who did it, Kate the Bucy Boy herself.

833
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: Kate.

834
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 6: I love that nice war Kate, right, yes, we barely

835
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 6: made it out of that one alive.

836
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: I really listen when you do a twenty minute game.

837
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like twenty years of podcasting together.

838
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: That's right, you know, so we're doing it all right now.

839
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: What's your favorite rock memoir?

840
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 6: The Rick James memoir? Oh wow, shit, because you're like,

841
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 6: are you fucking kidding me?

842
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: Dude?

843
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 6: You're admitting to like, what what are we talking about?

844
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: He didn't know.

845
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 5: It's not an autobiography. The writer finished it after he died.

846
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 5: But it's it's just like it's gold, Like I could

847
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 5: have done ten episodes on Rick James. Yeah, it's running

848
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 5: drugs for the Colombian cartel and literally breaking out of prison.

849
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 6: Just crazy, so good crazy.

850
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: The Disgraceland out right now is the Patty Smith, Yes.

851
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 6: Which her, I mean, she's the memoir master. Actually, and

852
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 6: actually that is a better memoir.

853
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 5: The Just Kids is is incredible, even though it's it's

854
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 5: I know you guys have talked about it.

855
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 6: I think you've read it. It's more her origin.

856
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 5: Story and her love story and then the memoir after that,

857
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 5: M Train, which is more her story of being an

858
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: artist and how she creates and goes through the process.

859
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 5: And in M Train, actually this fascinating thing that I

860
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: never knew about Patty Smith, which is amazing. She's obsessed

861
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: with like cheesy crime fiction.

862
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 6: Really just like no, like Law and Order.

863
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: Oh, the ship we're into like cs fucking CSI, but

864
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 5: good stuff like the killing, you know, And when the

865
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 5: Killing was canceled, she wrote to the producers and was like,

866
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 5: please don't cancel whatever, and they're they're like, well, we

867
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 5: can't do anything about it, but why don't you come

868
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 5: on an episode?

869
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 6: So she went on an episode.

870
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: She was on Law and Order as well.

871
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's like, you know, a National Book Award winner

872
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 5: and literally we were joking about honorary degrees like all

873
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 5: kinds of that. She accepted Dylan's Nobel Peace Prize Forum,

874
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 5: you know, like the high Priestess of art. She's like

875
00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 5: binging ship crime fiction, like like, well, she knows that's good.

876
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 5: And the thing that as I'm researching her and putting

877
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 5: the story together for Disgraceland, I'm like, she survives, you know,

878
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 5: she lives at the Chelsea. She lives through the whole

879
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: punk rock thing. She lives through the eighties and nineties,

880
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 5: like the two great loves of her life die. She

881
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: survives all that has this incredible sort of like late life,

882
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: reaping the fruits of her artistic labor, ways that artists

883
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 5: seldom get to do.

884
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: And I'm looking back and.

885
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 6: I'm going, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 5: She survived all this crime and violence and drug use

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Speaker 5: and everything that goes along with being a rock star

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Speaker 5: and being an artist because she was obsessed with artists

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Speaker 5: who were criminals, and her mother was obsessed with the

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Speaker 5: Lindberg kidnapping and would talk to her about it. She

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Speaker 5: lives through the Son of Sam. She lives through you know,

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Speaker 5: Helter Skelter was a huge thing, even for rock people

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Speaker 5: on the East coast. Maple Thorpe was obsessed with it.

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Speaker 5: And if she were alive now, she was like our age.

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Speaker 5: Now I know she's alive now, she would be like

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Speaker 5: a murder. You know, she would be my favorite. She

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Speaker 5: probably isn't my favorite murder. And could you imagine the

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Speaker 5: whole thing of like being aware, right, And I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at your book behind you. Stay sexy, don't

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Speaker 5: get murdered like that whole thing, Like, you know, I

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Speaker 5: know it's a catchphrase, but it's like it's true, there's truth.

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Speaker 1: In it, like I think, be aware, you know.

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Speaker 5: So I think her sort of fascination with crime, crime literature,

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Speaker 5: with how do you pronounce a guy's name the French

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Speaker 5: poet Jean Get I can't say it, the correction Jean ja.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Matt Boden, who is our production guy, is French. He's

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Speaker 5: going to kill me picturing that. But but he was,

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Speaker 5: you know, he was a criminal, and she was friends

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Speaker 5: with Borrows. Borrows killed his wife and got away with it,

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Speaker 5: you know. And I think she just kind of she

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Speaker 5: had all that stuff that true crime kind of steeped

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Speaker 5: in her, and I feel like the knowledge of that, somehow, cosmically,

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Speaker 5: spiritually whatever, it helped her avoid being a casualty. That's

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Speaker 5: sort of my take on it anyways, And that's I

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Speaker 5: don't mean to just give you a whole preview episode,

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Speaker 5: but I'm very excited about it right now.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a perfect teaser though, because it is

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Speaker 2: like it's like, do you like music, do you like

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Speaker 2: true crime? Do you like both? This is all right?

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Speaker 6: Patti Smith Patti Smith.

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Speaker 2: You like New York and the seventies when it was

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Speaker 2: real dirty, and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah she was writing because the night that her biggest

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Speaker 5: song during the Son of Sam.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just what a time, man, what a time.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jake, it is truly such an honor to have

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Speaker 2: a podcast as beautifully made and thoughtfully made and made

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Speaker 2: by a talent that isn't just like successful, but also

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Speaker 2: like it does feel like we know you, and we've

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Speaker 2: known you for a long time. We're fans, and now

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Speaker 2: we get to like do it with you, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's the dream combination and we're so so genuinely

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Speaker 2: thrilled that this is starting.

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Speaker 1: You feel like one of us. So welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Shit Show.

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Speaker 6: I could not be happier to be part of the

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Speaker 6: Shit Show.

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Speaker 5: You guys are the gold standard in podcasting and you

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Speaker 5: have been from the beginning, and I've been a fan

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Speaker 5: literally from the beginning, so that what you've built is

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Speaker 5: just unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: Guys, congratulations and thank you.

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Speaker 5: And your staff is amazing. The people who work here

945
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Speaker 5: are great. Everybody I've worked with has been a delight

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Speaker 5: to work with. They've all been awesome, and that's a

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Speaker 5: reflection on you guys, and yeah, it's really cool.

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Speaker 2: We've got an incredible group over here, and everyone just

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Speaker 2: like what's cool? Is everyone stoked? And it really feels

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Speaker 2: like there's a sincere love of what we're all doing,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's a great team. It's a great team

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Speaker 2: to be on. It's really fun.

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Speaker 6: Happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: So glad you're here, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So okay, just Graceland is now part of the Exactly

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Speaker 1: Right Network and iHeart podcast. New episodes every Tuesday, bonus

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Speaker 1: hollywood Land come out every Monday, with bonus episodes Wednesday

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. That's pretty helpful. Yeah, some reviews.

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Speaker 5: I often I take calls on our bonus episode, and

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Speaker 5: I also will read a review, and if I read

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Speaker 5: the review, I'll send that person a little.

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Speaker 1: Merch I love. I think we should let so you

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Speaker 1: can lead it and leave a nice review and I'll

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Speaker 1: send you.

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Speaker 2: You can't steal it, but you can participate in it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you are at least get a twenty percent?

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Speaker 2: What's your promo codey?

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Speaker 1: I think we did it.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys here, thank you?

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Speaker 1: Right on, Stay sexy and don't get murdered. What do

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Speaker 1: I do? You're saying goodbye?

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Speaker 6: Saying goodbye in your way that you Oh yeah, do

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Speaker 6: it again? Can you do it again?

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Speaker 1: Stay sexy and don't get murdered?

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Speaker 6: Rock a Roller? Yeah, I think we did that last time,

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Speaker 6: and I froze up as well.

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Speaker 1: It's weird to just point at someone and accept them now, yeah, boy,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Elvis, do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 5: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Murder Reinos.

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Speaker 5: Fans of the Exactly Right Network and elite podcast listeners everywhere,

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Speaker 5: This is Jake Brennan, host of the Disgraceland podcast, your

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Speaker 5: new favorite music and true crime podcast, a show where

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Speaker 5: every week I dive into the story of one musical

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Speaker 5: artist and the true crime or crimes that have impacted them.

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Speaker 5: And I'm thrilled to announce that Disgraceland has found a

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Speaker 5: new home at the Exactly Right Network in partnership with

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Speaker 5: iHeart Podcasts. In Disgraceland, we have episodes on over two

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Speaker 5: hundred musicians. Sometimes these artists are the victims. Sometimes they're criminals,

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Speaker 5: and some of these stories are the kind they don't

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Speaker 5: want told, the kind that are so unbelievable that you're

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Speaker 5: gonna end up telling.

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Speaker 6: Them to someone else.

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Speaker 5: The story about Blondie's Debbie Harry escaping Ted Bundy, about

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Speaker 5: rock and roll pioneer Jerry Lee Lewis aka the Killer

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Speaker 5: allegedly getting away with killing his wife, how Patti Smith

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Speaker 5: isn't just the godmother of punk but she's also the

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Speaker 5: og true crime girl. And of course stories about the

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Speaker 5: Norwegian black metal church burnings, Big Lurch, the hip hop

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Speaker 5: artists who ate his roommate Amy Weinhaus, the Stones, Laana

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Speaker 5: del Rey, Bowie, Kurt and Courtney, sid and Nancy, and

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Speaker 5: too many wild stories to mention. This is the podcast

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Speaker 5: for the music in True crime obsessed. New fully scripted

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Speaker 5: episodes with award winning sound design are released every Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: Bonus episodes where I respond to your calls, texts and

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Speaker 5: dms are released on Thursday, with rewind episodes dropping every Sunday.

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Speaker 5: now in search Disgraceland and give it a follow.

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Speaker 6: I promise you will not be disappointed. All right, stay

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Speaker 6: sexy and don't get murdered by a rock star rock

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Speaker 6: a roller.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle lass Vedo.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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Speaker 2: Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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