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Speaker 2: All right, get out your pen, get out your pad

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Speaker 2: of paper, start jotting down those Hall of famers. It's

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Speaker 2: an exercise we do every Wednesday when we get everyone together.

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Speaker 2: Not only is it me and Aaron Torres in for

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Speaker 2: Doug gottlie who's taking in some day baseball in the

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Speaker 2: Bruce City today featuring the two top teams in the

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Speaker 2: Nlcentral got Jason Stewart, our executive producer, Iowa sam or

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Speaker 2: technical producer, And you just heard Moncey Bolanos at the

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Speaker 2: news desk. Moncey will be here as well giving us

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Speaker 2: any breaking news or anything that comes in. Trade deadline

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Speaker 2: again a day away, so she'll have the details on that,

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Speaker 2: plus interesting news involving Gilbert Arenas, the former NBA star arrested.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna touch on that in about forty minutes or so.

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Speaker 2: Jason Stewart a poker player, the resident poker player here.

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Speaker 2: Does this Arenas story interest you because it's Arenas or

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Speaker 2: because it's centered around poker, or that there's uh like

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Speaker 2: mob Boss isn't involved in this?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: I love poker, I love high stakes poker, so I

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Speaker 4: want to I can't wait for the discovery and to

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Speaker 4: see how much was they were playing for, what the

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Speaker 4: setup was, how much they tip the dealers, all the

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Speaker 4: I want all the details. I love the poker aspect

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Speaker 4: of this, but it's Gilbert Arenas and the news for

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Speaker 4: the wrong reasons again. And I think Amazon, if I'm

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Speaker 4: not mistaken, didn't they say he's going to be.

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Speaker 3: A part of their coverage next year.

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Speaker 2: I have no clue. Yeah, I don't know who is

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Speaker 2: going where.

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Speaker 5: You may be correcting Grady yesterday.

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Speaker 2: That's the only one you saw Tracy McGrady yesterday.

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Speaker 4: All right, But yeah, former NBA player that's going to

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Speaker 4: serve federal time, because you know the old saying, right,

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Speaker 4: if you're up on federal charges, you're gonna lose.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you that are wondering, when Big

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Speaker 2: Mike here at Fox Sports Radio would come into the

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Speaker 2: studio and tell us that he played poker with some

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Speaker 2: mob bosses. Big Mike's on vacation this week, so yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I know Cavino and Rich. Did he even do his

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Speaker 2: Cavino and Rich bit Mike's words of wisdom before he left?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Do we know that we have them ready for the

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Speaker 7: He worked ahead on that. Okay, we have to make

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Speaker 7: sure that we get Mike's bits in even if Mike's

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Speaker 7: not here.

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Speaker 2: He's on vacation, so he can't top any of Jason's

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Speaker 2: poker stories. But we'll get to the Gilbertarina's poker story

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Speaker 2: coming up again now in about a little more than

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Speaker 2: thirty eight minutes. But it is the middle of the week, Aaron,

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Speaker 2: it's the middle of the show. That means it's he's

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Speaker 6: It's time for the midway.

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Speaker 2: Jason Stewart developed this topic this segment. He can give

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Speaker 2: you the background then all you need to know on

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Speaker 2: today's discussion.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan. I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it from here. So so, uh, by the

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Speaker 2: way that that line, i'll take it from here.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the bat line calling the hot line

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Speaker 4: around on the FCC is calling me. We might be

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Speaker 2: I guarantee it's big Mike to talk about his poker games.

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Speaker 3: What it is.

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Speaker 4: So Dan, this is Dan's idea. I don't know why

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Speaker 4: I'm doing this, but I think with the Hall of

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Speaker 4: What what players right now playing? So like I think

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Speaker 4: Watt doesn't count. What current NFL player playing right now

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Speaker 2: I think that we can. We can name who is

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Speaker 8: I think it's like we take obscure like well, I

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Speaker 2: We'll do it Jason's way. He's the producer of the show.

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Speaker 2: So who do we who do we have on the board?

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Speaker 2: So who do who do we know? Is going in Mahomes? Right?

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Speaker 2: Like if if Patrick Mahomes didn't play another NFL game,

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Speaker 2: Kews Kelsey with that. I'm good with that. Aaron Rodgers, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So that's four right now, Rogers, Mahomes, Kelsey, Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 5: I have a fifth?

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Speaker 8: And again this is where not having like the credentials.

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Speaker 8: I just find it hard to believe that he would

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Speaker 2: I agree with that. I agree with that.

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Speaker 8: And by the way, people disagree, I'm I'm more than

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Speaker 2: I I would agree with that. I think Von Miller

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Speaker 2: And we can't do this for all thirty two teams

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Speaker 2: I think that Trent Williams is automatic in the Hall

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Speaker 5: All right, So let me ask you another question. Are

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I encourage it, actually because I think it adds to

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Speaker 8: Let me throw this in. Matthew Stafford top ten all

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Stafford's definitely in.

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Speaker 2: depends on the class. Honestly, if there aren't a lot

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Speaker 4: I think Stafford, but he's not He's not in that original,

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Speaker 4: the original list, the Pat Satanist right correct, He's he's

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Speaker 2: Lamar are up for.

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Speaker 9: Like you what you're saying, like they're right there.

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Speaker 8: They're there, They're they're there, They're the reverse Lamar incredible

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Speaker 2: It's point and I think that if you if again,

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Speaker 2: So like so, someone like Jamar Chase, who's had a

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Speaker 8: His you know, I hate to say, it's the Derreck

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Speaker 8: And so you have a guy like Jamar Chase, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just need like a little bit more, Like

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Speaker 7: Watt possible this I just purely by the numbers because.

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Speaker 9: He's yeah, broken the record.

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Speaker 2: Nice. But I'm I'm I think, yes, I think that

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Speaker 7: Like can you imagine him just like never getting in

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Speaker 7: Like I can't. I have to see he gets it

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Speaker 2: Point correct for what he's accomplished in his limited NFL career.

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Speaker 7: Yes, like they haven't had a deep run in the

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Speaker 7: playoffs with him on the team, but mostly that's offensive issues,

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think TJ. Watt is a good answer, Manzi.

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Speaker 9: I have a nomination, Yes, Mike Evans.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I would absolutely say. Yes, that's a great ant,

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Speaker 7: that's a great one. That's a great recommendation.

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Speaker 2: Mazzi. He is on my I wrote, I wrote twelve wait,

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Speaker 2: I wrote, I can't count fourteen names down, two of

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Speaker 2: which had nos. A couple of others had question marks,

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Speaker 2: including Jamar Chase. Mike Evans was on my list and

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Speaker 2: did not have a question mark. I think he's in, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I think he absolutely is in, just on a level

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Speaker 2: of consistencies with the different players that he played with.

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Speaker 9: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Mike Evans. The other thing that I like about Mike Evans,

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Speaker 8: What I'm saying, it's just a totally unique thing to

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Speaker 4: And if Pete Carroll decides to run marshawn wnch off tackle,

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Speaker 4: Russell Wilson is a Hall of Famer, right, because two

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Speaker 2: You think, Uh, yes, I think so. Because Eli is

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Speaker 5: Can I just say two?

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Speaker 8: This kind of shows you like the shelf life of players,

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Speaker 8: What do you value as a quote unquote Hall of

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Speaker 5: And I know he didn't do what nobody's on.

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Speaker 8: You know, like that one individual season where Saquon was

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Speaker 9: I got I got one. Okay, wait, sorry, I didn't

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Speaker 7: Let's go Sam first, then Monci, Well, how about a

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Speaker 7: I got a couple more names, Moncey.

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Speaker 9: Davante Adams, I put a question marked by him. I

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Speaker 4: Yes, the ring, the ring is the one thing right missing,

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Speaker 2: Justin Tucker, because of his current situation, we think he's

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Speaker 4: How many field goal kickers are in the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's yeah, Jon Stenner Rude is in, Adam Vintitry.

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Speaker 5: Uh, Sue Morton Anderson, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Morton Anderson is in. Yes, I think that's a

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Speaker 3: I think he gets in. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 5: Did he when?

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Speaker 5: Was he on the team when they won that Super

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the season that definitely helps, Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 2: He's I mean when you talk about who he was,

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Speaker 5: I think he should be in.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna include him because he wasn't on a team,

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Speaker 2: Do we miss anybody else?

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Speaker 3: Then are out?

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Speaker 4: young in his career. Maybe, I don't know.

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Speaker 8: One hundred and two and a half sacks, fifty eighth

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Speaker 8: all time, head of Charles Haley.

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Speaker 5: Charles Haley's a Hall of Famer, right, he just got

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Speaker 5: in like three four years ago?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he And uh you know what if I

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Speaker 2: was quick to put TJ Watten to that point, yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe I would have to change Maybe I would have

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Speaker 2: to change my tune TJ. I didn't realize he was

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Speaker 2: that high.

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Speaker 5: Up five and a half career, more sex than Miles

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Speaker 5: Garrett does. Same year got drafted.

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Speaker 7: To so Bo Benson came in he said, what about

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Speaker 7: Justin Jefferson, based just on the tear he's on right now.

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Speaker 7: I said, he's just not been playing long enough.

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Speaker 2: Here's here's the problem. And this is why the Mike

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Speaker 2: Evans argument I think is key because of how consistent

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Speaker 2: he was. It's not easy for receivers to get into

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. Like there are great receivers that

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Speaker 2: are still like waiting to be enshrined. So for some

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Speaker 2: reason there's this I don't know if it's a bias

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Speaker 2: towards them or what, but their receivers have had to

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Speaker 2: wait a long time. They've had to wait a while

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Speaker 2: to get into the Hall of Fame. Only a very

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Speaker 2: few are enshrined in their first time out. I mean

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Speaker 2: too had to wait, you know. So so that's the

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Speaker 2: tricky thing. So like I'm I think that Justin Jefferson

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Speaker 2: could be on his way there, he's got the trajectory.

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Speaker 2: But yes, but it is it is much more difficult

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Speaker 2: for a wide receiver to get into the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame than maybe any other position. And the DeVante Adams

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Speaker 2: like we put him in, like I didn't put DeVante

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Speaker 2: Adams in. That also is part of the argument. So

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Speaker 2: maybe it's even tougher for someone like DeVante Adams.

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Speaker 5: I'll be honest.

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Speaker 8: When this segment was pitched, I thought it was going

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Speaker 8: to be a lot more definitives than there actually are.

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Speaker 5: And it's not. It's not a good or bad thing.

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Speaker 8: It's just I would have guessed there was twenty five

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Speaker 8: no doubt about hers and what are there about eight

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Speaker 8: to ten?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, and there are alignments and stuff like you

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Speaker 2: brought up Lane Johnson later on in the conversation that

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Speaker 2: we didn't have earlier on. But I think that that

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Speaker 2: was a that's a good no brainer mindse.

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Speaker 9: Did we mention speaking of alignement? Did we mention like Chris.

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Speaker 2: Jones lately he's making a push. Yes, yes, I would

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Speaker 2: say for what he's done over the last three or

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Speaker 2: four years. Yes, three ring push mm hmm.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I have a name then this guy, which helps,

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Speaker 7: by the way, ring those rings do help, if rings help.

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Speaker 7: This guy doesn't have his mini and his stats aren't incredible,

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Speaker 7: but he's been in the league a long time. He

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Speaker 7: has suit Kyle van Noy. Yeah, he's only pro bowler

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Speaker 7: one time, but he has two Super Bowl rings with

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Speaker 7: the Patriots. No, I yeah, no, Kyle Van No, that's

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Speaker 7: the first really bad idea. I mean, you have to

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Speaker 7: go to people who have Super Bowl rings. I mean

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Speaker 7: you have to go to people who have multiple Superwl rings. Right,

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Speaker 7: they don't just end up winning those. I think they

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Speaker 7: get favored, Like I'm not they do, they do. I

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Speaker 7: don't think Julian Edelman is a Hall of Famer. And

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Speaker 7: there are people who are making a case because of

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Speaker 7: the success that he meant with New England that he's

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Speaker 7: a Hall of Famer, and I don't, like, I don't

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Speaker 7: put him in the Justin Jefferson, uh, Devonte Adams sort

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Speaker 7: of Mike Evans sort of rull.

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Speaker 8: And it goes to like what you value and then

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Speaker 8: also it goes to like the old I keep using

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Speaker 8: the basketball references, but it's like whose career would you

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Speaker 8: rather have, Robert ri or Carmelo Anthony, you know, And

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Speaker 8: it's like.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of the same here with this situation.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh, oh, one more, right, one more. Jalen Ramsey, I.

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Speaker 5: Was trying to think of a dB. I was like,

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Speaker 5: there has to be some dB with the numbers.

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Speaker 3: Does he have a ring? He's got a ring?

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Speaker 5: Right the rams? Yeah, he was with the Rams that year.

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Speaker 3: I the best corner for three or four straight years?

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Speaker 3: Is that what it was?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough for me to judge. Like I feel

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Speaker 2: like the like Patrick's or Tana's on that rising way

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Speaker 2: of like and he's only been in the league a

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Speaker 2: couple of years where he can be that guy. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey was that guy for a while. What are

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Speaker 2: his accolades?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 8: Three times first first Team All Pro, seven time Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 8: You know what's interesting I was thinking about this. Is

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Speaker 8: it the only position in sports where, in some cases,

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Speaker 8: the fewer numbers you have the better. He's only got

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Speaker 8: twenty four career interceptions, But how many times is it

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Speaker 8: like we're just not throwing to his side.

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Speaker 5: Of the field?

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Speaker 2: And he was a part of the Jacksonville team that

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Speaker 2: went to the AFC champion chick game against New England

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Speaker 2: that was led on defense.

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Speaker 8: Oh man, it's also part of a Dolphins team that

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Speaker 8: just completely no show him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good nominee. I'd put him borderline.

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Speaker 2: I think that he probably would get in in the

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Speaker 2: end when you give those numbers and where he and

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Speaker 2: what he's meant to those defensive teams, even though What

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Speaker 2: I think hurts him is that he's moved around a lot,

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Speaker 2: which I think hurts DeVante Adams of recent memory. All right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there it is Midway for today the Midway. He's Aeron Torres.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer. Thanks to Manzi Blanios, Jason Stewart and

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Speaker 2: Iowa Sam As it is Hall of Fame weekend. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure we forgot names. Feel free to pass him along.

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Speaker 2: in for Doug Gottlieb. You can hear our conversation on

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Speaker 2: who would be in the Hall of Fame of players

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Speaker 2: right now in the NFL, and Derek tweeted in von Miller.

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Speaker 2: This segment went so long, like von Miller was one

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Speaker 2: of our automatic inns. Like earlier on we had Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey, Dereck Henry was one, Aaron Rodgers. I think

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Speaker 2: von Miller was up near up at least near that

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Speaker 2: group for automatic Hall of famers. So von Miller definitely

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Speaker 2: going to Canton. Someday. We're going to go to the

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Speaker 2: news desk. Monte Blanios is here with the latest. She

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Speaker 2: is no longer on tsunami watch. All is good going on?

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Speaker 9: I was not on that watch, so I can't it good?

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Speaker 9: Please keep me updated. I was playing volleyballs at the

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Speaker 9: dentist side of busy Tuesday. All right, let's start in

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Speaker 9: the NFL. Isaiah likely Ravens tight end. He's gonna have

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Speaker 9: surgery on a broken bone in his foot that he

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Speaker 9: suffered during Tuesday's practice. He is expected to miss about

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Speaker 9: six weeks, but they think there's a big possibility he's

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Speaker 9: actually ready four week one if everything goes well. Bengals

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Speaker 9: have released veteran running back Zach Moss after one season,

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Speaker 9: and yet Trey Hendrickson has reported to Bengals training camp,

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Speaker 9: but he's there to be engaged in meetings and be

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Speaker 9: around the team and wait for a new deal because

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Speaker 9: nothing has happened yet, no movement in that contract. In baseball,

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Speaker 9: the trade deadline is tomorrow Thursday at six. Eastern Yankees

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Speaker 9: have acquired White Sox outfielder Austin Slater. The Mets are

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Speaker 9: acquiring bright handed pitcher Tyler Rogers from the Giants, and

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Speaker 9: the Reds have acquired third baseman key Brian Hayes from

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Speaker 9: the Pirates. In baseball, the Tigers have won four in

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Speaker 9: a row. They top the Diamondbacks seven to two. The

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Speaker 9: Blue Jays snapped their four game losing streak with a

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Speaker 9: nine to eight win over the Orioles. The Red Sox

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Speaker 9: Crews passed the Twins thirteen to one. Right now, the

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Speaker 9: Cubs have an eight to three lead over the Brewers.

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Speaker 9: It is top of the ninth inning. The Astros have

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Speaker 9: a nine to one lead over the Nationals bottom.

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Speaker 2: Of the eighth.

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Speaker 9: In Houston and the rest of the games are a

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Speaker 9: little scoreless.

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Speaker 5: Right now.

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Speaker 9: In the NBA, Jonathan Kaminga is still declining the Warriors

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Speaker 9: two year, forty five million dollar contract offer. ESPN reports

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Speaker 9: that the Warriors have made another push to retain him,

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Speaker 9: and the NBA is heading to Europe for at least

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Speaker 9: six games in the next three years. The LEE announced

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Speaker 9: this today, So in twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 9: NBA is going to play games in Manchester, England and Paris,

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Speaker 9: and then for the twenty twenty seven to twenty twenty

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Speaker 9: eight season, it's going to play in Berlin and Paris.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, guys, those don't resonate as much as

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Speaker 2: the NFL games do. But what will happen is like

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Speaker 2: on a Monday in January, you're like, why is there

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Speaker 2: NBA on right now? And it's like, oh, because they're

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Speaker 2: in London, right yes, sir, They're going to be in Paris.

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Speaker 2: That think the Spurs played in Paris this past year

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Speaker 2: with Victor Webin Yama and now even expanding in more

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Speaker 2: places like Germany. As you said, he is Aaron Torres,

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer, that's Moncey Bolanos, while Manzi was playing

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Speaker 2: volleyball last night some of us can, including Jason Stewart,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if I was, Sam was or not,

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Speaker 2: but we were caught up in tsunami watch after the

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Speaker 2: earthquake in in Russia that sent tsunami alerts all across Heck,

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Speaker 2: Pacific Ocean or in the Pacific Ocean was dealing with

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Speaker 2: watches and warnings. But Aaron Torre is you were you

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Speaker 2: were a little put off by by the coverage or

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Speaker 2: lack thereof that we saw last night.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I tweeted something that I think some

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Speaker 8: perceived to be political. It wasn't even necessarily intended to

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Speaker 8: be that way, but it was just I turned on

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Speaker 8: every news station. So keep in mind, not half a

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Speaker 8: significant portion of the country is under tsunami watch. But

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Speaker 8: first of all, I only found out about this my

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Speaker 8: wife was like on TikTok, She's like, did you see

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Speaker 8: there's a Russia earthquake? And I'm like no, and then

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Speaker 8: and I maybe Dumbley still have cable and so I

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Speaker 8: turned on every cable news outlet. I turned on our

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Speaker 8: local news, and when I turned it on, I can't

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Speaker 8: speak to you guys. It was the most generic, cookie

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Speaker 8: cutter whatever topic of the epstein you said, it not

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Speaker 8: a lot of epstein going on. It's not that that's

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Speaker 8: not important, but can we focus on the thing that

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Speaker 8: might put a couple of our states underwater? Because that

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Speaker 8: was the way that I perceived it when I read it.

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Speaker 8: And it's like if Hawaii, Alaska and the entire Pacific

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Speaker 8: coast is on some sort of tsunami watch, I feel

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Speaker 8: like we could take ten seconds away from the dude

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Speaker 8: that died four years ago to focus on this one

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Speaker 8: thing right now. I hope I'm not being inconsiderate. Maybe

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Speaker 8: I am. I don't know, but yes, it was frustrated.

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously we were affected because we're in southern California.

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Speaker 2: We're in Los Angeles, and so we're right by the

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Speaker 2: the ocean. I get why someone in Missouri Soway put

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Speaker 2: it this way?

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Speaker 8: Can I I turned on our local news. There was

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Speaker 8: a segment on how the President's cuts to NASA affect us.

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Speaker 8: They don't affect us. NASA is in Cape Canaveral or whatever.

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Speaker 8: Can I get the thing about water washing on our

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Speaker 8: shore at this moment, that was our local news.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I was gonna say is, though, is

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Speaker 2: I feel that there was there was a time, and

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Speaker 2: maybe that time has passed where everybody was thirsty for

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Speaker 2: breaking news, and so if anytime CNN could do breaking news,

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Speaker 2: you or MSNBC or anybody else you were drawn in.

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Speaker 2: They got to do it so much that you almost

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Speaker 2: felt like it was crying wolf, that there were things

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Speaker 2: that weren't breaking newsworthy. So now what makes their money?

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Speaker 2: Maybe is the the political angles that that that we

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Speaker 2: would take. I don't think that there's anything with that.

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Speaker 2: What I thought was interesting locally was we only had

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Speaker 2: one local station break in during their primetime programming. That

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Speaker 2: was our that was our ABC affiliate. Otherwise, America's Got

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Speaker 2: Talent was on NBC, and there was no jump in

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Speaker 2: when I jumped around there. I watched the Weather Channel

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Speaker 2: last night. That's that's in the weather stations. Fox Weather

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Speaker 2: had something going on the Weather Channel. That's where I

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Speaker 2: got my information from on what was going on here.

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Speaker 2: But locally, it was talked about locally when it led

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Speaker 2: the news. I believe here at eleven o'clock it was

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Speaker 2: talked about, but I would feel like something like that

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Speaker 2: even if you were in even if you were in Vermont,

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Speaker 2: like Arnie Spaniel, you would be like, wait, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's not the case anymore. Jason, did you watch

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Speaker 2: tsum Nami watch last night?

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Speaker 4: Yes? I was riveted. I stayed up all night until

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Speaker 4: like eleven thirty because the number there was a countdown

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Speaker 4: to when it was going to hit Hawaii. Yes, there

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Speaker 4: was eleven o'clock our time or ten thirty our time.

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Speaker 4: There the waves were supposed to crush Hawaii. According to

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Speaker 4: a couple of things. I did it on Twitter. I

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Speaker 4: didn't watch TV at all. Most things in my life now,

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Speaker 4: news wise, I just follow on Twitter. Well that's what

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 8: Let me default to that really quick, because that was

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Speaker 8: the annoying thing because I said something and people were like,

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Speaker 8: who gets their news from TV anymore? And I'm like, yes,

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Speaker 8: I understand that the world has changed, but is it

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Speaker 8: a twenty four hour news network. Isn't the baseline of

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Speaker 8: what they're supposed to do cover?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 8: Is it their whole being of existence to cover the

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Speaker 8: really important?

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Speaker 5: You know what? When it happens in the moment. That

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Speaker 5: was what was frustrating to me.

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Speaker 2: I think that at some point somebody would take a

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Speaker 2: tsunami watch and make it political. But for your point,

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Speaker 2: at that point, like, that's what we just want to know,

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Speaker 2: and I do think that it would be like if

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Speaker 2: there are other people in other parts of the country,

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Speaker 2: you want to know, because I'll tell you what, if

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00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: you were in Hawaii yesterday, it's probably pretty scary because

712
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: you don't know. And we saw traffic jams and lines

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Speaker 2: of cars of people trying to get the higher ground

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Speaker 2: because you don't know, and that's in the story in

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Speaker 2: itself of whether their will or won't be damaged. But

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Speaker 2: there's also an island of people or islands of people

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Speaker 2: that are trying to get away. We saw what happened

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Speaker 2: with the wildfires, you know, they're a year or two ago,

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Speaker 2: and how awful that was. And now when you're on

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Speaker 2: an island really with nowhere to go except higher ground, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised whether the weather channels had it covered,

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Speaker 2: but I was surprised locally on where it registered and

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Speaker 2: then nationally, to your point, I didn't see it on

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Speaker 2: those networks either.

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Speaker 5: Last least I start.

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Speaker 8: I know we're more in the opinion space, but we do.

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Speaker 8: We are in the news at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: and you if something happens, you and I have an obligation.

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Speaker 8: If we're planning on talking about Dak and the Cowboys

732
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Speaker 8: to lead the show, but Patrick Mahomes retires, we have

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Speaker 8: an obligation, or we should have an obligation. We don't

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Speaker 8: just sit there and say, well, you know what we

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Speaker 8: were planning. You and I were on air for the

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Speaker 8: NCAA tournament when Tom Brady came out of retirement. Did

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Speaker 8: we stick to our pre planned schedule or did we

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Speaker 8: go to oh crap, tom Brady unretired. Let's talk about that.

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Speaker 8: And that's that was my frustration with last night.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was just trying to avoid what they were

741
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Speaker 2: throwing on the floor at WNBA Games. That's what I

742
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Speaker 2: was trying to stay away from. So I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna wrap myself up in tsunami watch and deal with

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Speaker 2: it from there. No one knows. They didn't know how

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Speaker 2: to pick it up in Buffalo, no one knew how to.

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00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: They're like, I can't look like I know how to

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Speaker 2: do this. Right. I can't. I gotta make it look

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Speaker 2: like it's a foreign object. He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Byer.

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Speaker 2: That's Manty Blanio's Jason Stewart and I with Sam Ark here.

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Speaker 2: Gilbert Arenas arrested because of poker games. We'll have more

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Speaker 2: of the details next here on The Doug Gottlieb Show

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Speaker 2: on Fox.

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Speaker 6: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 6: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.

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Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's erin Torre as

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Speaker 2: dirty laundry comes out with one of the NBA's former

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Speaker 2: greats now in hot Water. He has Erinorias. I'm Dan

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Speaker 2: Byer in for Doug Gottlieb and Moncey Blanios has the press.

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Speaker 9: The press it's going on Manci Well gambling.

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Speaker 5: Apparently.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I would love to have been invited to

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Speaker 9: a little poker game Gilbert Arenas, but I was not.

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Speaker 9: So Apparently Gilbert Arenas, NBA star, former NBA star, and

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Speaker 9: five of their defendants were arrested today on federal indictment

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Speaker 9: alleging they operated an illegal gambling business in which high

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Speaker 9: stakes poker games were played and an Encino mansion that

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Speaker 9: Arena's owned. He also there's pictures if you look further

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Speaker 9: into this, even the poker tables have him like his

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Speaker 9: last name Arena's and him like standing up. It's like,

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Speaker 9: you can't get away from this Gilbert Arenas, even if

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Speaker 9: you tried. There's messages between him and and all the

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Speaker 9: other guys that are very names that I can't pronounce.

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Speaker 9: But apparently these people have a lot of money. There

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Speaker 9: were ladies there to provide massa and drinks and bringship

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Speaker 9: exactly exactly. He has three counts that are he's facing

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Speaker 9: three different counts of different things. One count of operating

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Speaker 9: an illegal gambling business, one count of making false statements

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Speaker 9: to federal investigators, and one count of conspiracy to operate

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Speaker 9: an illegal gambling business. If he is convicted in any

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Speaker 9: of them. It's five years per charge.

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Speaker 2: He's the name in all of this, Yes he is,

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Speaker 2: and he rented out his house. But to your point

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Speaker 2: of if you've got a table that says Arenas Poker Club,

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Speaker 2: you're going to be linked into it. Is this just

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Speaker 2: juicy because it's a former NBA player, Jason Stewart, you

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Speaker 2: love this? I'm not love it for Gilbert Arenas obviously.

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Speaker 2: Or is it because it's a poker thing? Yeah, b

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Speaker 2: I think the poker stuff definitely intrigues me. I want

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Speaker 2: to know all the details. The government hates when you

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Speaker 2: do things like this, then they don't get their cut,

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Speaker 2: and then Gilbert us being a former NBA makes us

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Speaker 2: a sports story. That's why I liked it, and that's why.

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Speaker 2: So if they're if they're not charging these fees to

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Speaker 2: rent the home and all this other thing and getting

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Speaker 2: their cut, are we at this point? I don't know

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Speaker 2: as much about it and how the feds work, but

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Speaker 2: it seems like that seems to be the sticking point

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Speaker 2: in all of this, right right.

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Speaker 8: I don't much to add. I just feels like Gilbert

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Speaker 8: Orenez is always in something man.

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Speaker 2: Not Oh you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 9: I feel like this happens and we just don't know

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Speaker 9: about it. Like people who have money, like they aboard

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Speaker 9: and they're like, let's play poker for tens of thousands

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Speaker 9: of dollars.

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Speaker 5: The difference was they were taking a cut.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, if I low, it's a gaming and you

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Speaker 9: guys come over, but it's fifty dollars buy in. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 9: But it's because the amount of money that people care,

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Speaker 9: and it's they don't get the cut. Just like Jason said,

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Speaker 9: that's the problem here because you think if I hosted

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Speaker 9: and I made you all pay fifty hundred bucks for

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Speaker 9: a buy in, nobody would care. But this is probably

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Speaker 9: hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Sure, chefs, valets, armed security guards.

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Speaker 9: Women for companions compan massages, Companionship, bring you a drink,

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Speaker 9: cocktail man, tough.

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Speaker 2: Times for Gilbert Arenas and others. Thanks Monzie. They get

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Speaker 2: out there and pressed.

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Speaker 6: That was the press.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like they had a full house during those parties.

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Speaker 2: He's Aaron Torres. It's been fun. We'll do it again sometime, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byrt's Doug Otlem Show on Fox. Bye