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Speaker 1: that a Marlins fan could ever want, even on an

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Speaker 1: off day. This is dropping on a rare Marlins off day,

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Speaker 1: and this will be perhaps the only episode of the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two Marlins, and I'll explain why on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the break. Stick with me this weekend

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Speaker 1: at Lone Depot Park. It is the twenty fifth anniversary

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Speaker 1: celebration of the nineteen ninety seven World Series champion Florida Marlins,

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Speaker 1: the first title enfranchise history, one that took a lot

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Speaker 1: through exactly what made that nineteen ninety seven season so special.

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Speaker 1: We are basically going to go in chronological order here.

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Speaker 1: A good amount of those players from ninety six were

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Speaker 2: I don't remember when Bobby Bonea came that was for

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Speaker 1: Right before getting into the actual ninety ninety seven season itself,

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Speaker 1: I was curious about any sort of background events at

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't, okay, So you know, your life

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Speaker 2: So I moved back to South Florida in ninety two.

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Speaker 2: you know, immediately sort of got season tickets right with

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Speaker 2: I guess with Joe Robbie back then, who knows what

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Speaker 2: but I don't remember any world events in ninety seven

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Speaker 1: Right for people interested in this, for all the names

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll I still call it Joe Robbie today,

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Speaker 1: Getting into the season itself in ninety seven, eventually getting

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Speaker 1: look at it statistically, kind of, Kevin Brown stands far

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Speaker 1: and beyond his most outstanding individual player. Looking back at it,

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Speaker 1: all the endings that he pitched six complete games, over

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Speaker 1: two hundred strikeouts, I think sixteen wins that year. But

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Speaker 2: And the first time, I'm glad you brought up Kevin

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess there's some more romantic feeling about it

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Speaker 1: Of course, that whole World Series. It's I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: What I'm wondering is where were you when this hit happened.

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Speaker 1: the time. This was only the fifth season in existence,

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Speaker 1: and I believe it's the record for quickest at the time.

433
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Speaker 1: It was the quickest to win World Series from the

434
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Speaker 1: inception of the franchise, so it didn't really pay their dues.

435
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: It didn't really uh be broken, but it has been

436
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: broken by the Diamondbacks. Dondacks got there one year quicker,

437
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: from ninety eight to two thousand and one. But still

438
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: that I can understand that national view of one franchise

439
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: that just got here and another that was has been tormented,

440
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: that it been waiting generations and that had people that

441
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: had right gone so many years, and how Marlon Sands

442
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: may have been spoilt at the time, believe it or

443
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: not to get there so quickly.

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Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent, that was a sentiment like who

445
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: are you guys? Did it again? You know, people lived

446
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: in Cleveland for eighty years and never saw a title.

447
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 2: And who are we We're a bunch of you know,

448
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: young guys. Is a franchise, it's four years old. You're

449
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: playing in a football stadium. You patch together a roster.

450
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Speaker 2: This guy, you know, he's from Texas and he's from

451
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and he's from New York and you know, right,

452
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, you look at the Yankees who had the

453
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Speaker 2: core four and all those guys, and everybody was like, oh,

454
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: the Yankees built that team. In a sense, we did too,

455
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: and you know, Charles Johnson, but we got people from everywhere.

456
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: You know. That was there were not so many and

457
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Speaker 2: I don't know the exact number, but how many guys

458
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: were home grown and came up through our minor league

459
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: system other than CJ and maybe Levon and was also

460
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: right of course, right, I'm sure there were. I don't

461
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: know the whole lineup, so I'm sure there are others

462
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Speaker 2: that I'm not thinking of, But yeah, I mean it was.

463
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: It was one hundred percent. People wanted, you know, Cleveland

464
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: to win. It was not even. And I have to

465
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: tell you something else, and I don't remember much from

466
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: the NLCS other than the umpiring was so absolutely horrendous

467
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: in our favor, you know, very famously. I think it

468
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: was Eric Greg who was the umpire for There you

469
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: go for Levon Hernandez, and he was calling pitches, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The two pitch, it's a fifteenth.

471
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Speaker 2: Like guys were just going crazy. And I remember that

472
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: people were just like Marlins don't even deserve it, Like

473
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 2: the Braids weren't even given a fair shot, although I

474
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 2: think we won three four games to two in the

475
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: NLCS that year. But yeah, you look at the stadium,

476
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: you can already see the bag everything was covered up

477
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: and they were but it was just an ugly place.

478
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember the NLCS and it was again

479
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: everyone was no one wanted the Marlins who didn't have

480
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: been there, and you know, everybody wanted Cleveland to win.

481
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: That's it's great to have that validation that the umpiring

482
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: was a story at the time, because twenty five years later,

483
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: it's still a huge, like almost historic performance by the

484
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: umpire by Greg to make all those calls the way

485
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: that he did. I see the highlights pop up in

486
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: front of my eyes every once in a while because

487
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: it was just to have it happened in that moment.

488
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: Of course, during the regular season, nobody remembers, but that

489
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: happened in a series in favor of the underdogs of

490
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Speaker 1: the series.

491
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Speaker 2: Was Yeah, it's up there with don Dnkinger when he

492
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: made that horrific call and I think it was the

493
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 2: Kansas City Saint Louis series at first base. You know,

494
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: you make a bad call during the regular season, it's bad.

495
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 2: You blow something up in the playoffs like that, and

496
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: he was just and that was I mean, you showed

497
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: one pitch. I think he called ten of them like that.

498
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: You know, it was just the I mean the you know,

499
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: the Rays were just standing there like this is just

500
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: silly now, But you know that's what I'm saying. It

501
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: goes in, It goes on both sides.

502
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting maybe a little bit of help to get

503
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Speaker 1: past the Mighty Braves.

504
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, we needed it.

505
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they needed it, They got it, and they got

506
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Speaker 1: it done. Martin Berger, this has been really.

507
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Speaker 2: Awesome reflection on pleasure anytime.

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Speaker 1: We are back with the official show. Another fan perspective

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Speaker 1: of the nineteen ninety seven World Series championship here on

510
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: our podcast, keeping the focus back twenty five years as

511
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: Marlin's prepared to celebrate that team on the anniversary of

512
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: their winning the World Series title this weekend at Lone

513
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Speaker 1: Dubou Park. So we have lines up here Fidell Prieto,

514
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: who was an original Marlin season ticket holder back in

515
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 1: South Florida, and he's going to walk us through his

516
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: version of events and what it was like to be

517
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: there at that time for the first championship in Marlin's history.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for taking the time. Feed out. Oh, thank you, Elis.

519
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: It's a pleasure being here.

520
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: We have to talk about the Marlins Yale back then

521
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: it was like I told you, it was like back

522
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: in when I first started in ninety three, the assignment

523
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: in South Florida for the Marlins, it was unbelievable. They

524
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 4: drew over three million people that first year. It was

525
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: hard to even get tickets, and ninety four was the

526
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 4: same way. And the unfortunately the strike happened in ninety

527
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: four and then you know, after that, things just started,

528
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 4: you know, changing in the in the baseball in South Florida.

529
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 4: The tenants went down and actually I was able to

530
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: my first season tickets were in Section four fifty three,

531
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 4: second row, right behind all play up in the upper deck.

532
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: And then by the way, I got a lot of

533
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 4: foul balls up there.

534
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: It was. It was amazing.

535
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Speaker 4: And then the I was able to upgrade it to

536
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: thirteenth row, section one fifty five right behind their base

537
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: dot I basically faced the pitchers mount right there. And

538
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: then in ninety six is you know, at the time, Heizina,

539
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 4: you know, was always he was always pushing for getting

540
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 4: the Marlins a championship. I got to give him credit

541
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 4: for that. He spent the money, but he was also

542
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: spending the money for to show that it's really baseball

543
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: can be supported in South Florida. And when he first started,

544
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 4: he was going to build his own stadium then that

545
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: you know with Blockbuster Park and all that. And when

546
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: he owned blockbustered and he saw Blockbuster and then that

547
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 4: went all down down the tubes. And then he started

548
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 4: trying to pursue the county and the state to help

549
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: him out, you know, build a baseball stadium somewhere in Miami,

550
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: South Florida. And I remember in ninety six he started

551
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: the process of getting you know, Kevin Brown al lighter,

552
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: Devon White, so building you know, the team into a

553
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: closer to be a championship contender. And then ninety seven

554
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 4: came alone and he got Alex Fernandez, he brought in

555
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: Moises Aloo trying to remember he brought somebody else.

556
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 3: Uh, he brought in Bobby Bonilla, Bobynia.

557
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so they were really i mean going

558
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 4: for it. And they had a good set of young players.

559
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: You know, they got Charles John so Key position Rob

560
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: nn which they acquired in a trade. You know, he

561
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: had develop into you know, a very good closer, and

562
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: so ninety seven was really mean at the start of

563
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 4: the season, with that, you know, that money spent, we

564
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 4: were all excited, you know, about the upcoming season, looking

565
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: forward to hey, maybe the Marlins can you know, finally

566
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: battle the Braves, you know, because the Braves had controlled

567
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: the division for you know, so many years. And I

568
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 4: remember the season, I mean it started actually started pretty good.

569
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Speaker 3: The season went went pretty.

570
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 4: Well, and at the beginning of the year and stuff

571
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 4: like that, I mean, you know, not they were not

572
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: as close to the Braves as you know, and I

573
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: think throughout the year, but but at least you knew

574
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: there were i mean up there that they had the

575
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: wild cars, so you know, they had a chance to

576
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: make the playoffs.

577
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: Okay, And like I said, everybody was excited.

578
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: In South Florida, attendance was picking up, not quite as

579
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: what it was back in at the beginning in ninety

580
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: ninety three, but it was picking up. And and if

581
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: you're know South Florida, I'm you know, baseball fans go

582
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: to especially if you have a good team, especially on

583
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 4: the weekends. If they only have baseball on the weekends

584
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: in South Florida, you guys will probably lead the league

585
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: or be close to in attendance.

586
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: You know, it's those days, you know, during.

587
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: The week that it's a little bit harder to get

588
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 4: to get people out there. But even then they were

589
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: getting you know, at least, you know, decent crowds. But

590
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: I'll never forget this. It was we were looking forward

591
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: to the playing the Yankees in June, Okay, and right

592
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: before the series started, Haisinga made this comment that if dating,

593
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: if he didn't get a new stadium built, you know,

594
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 4: finance by the end of the season, that he was

595
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 4: going to break up the team and he was probably

596
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 4: going to sell the team.

597
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: And we were like it.

598
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: Took it deflated, like a lot of the hope for myself.

599
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 4: I know, as a fan here you're looking for you

600
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 4: have a good team. You're looking forward to playing the

601
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: Yankees in the series, you know, and this is what's

602
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 4: coming out.

603
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: It's like okay, and.

604
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: You're thinking, well, you know, and really in your mind

605
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: you're thinking, well, we got to win the World Series

606
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: this year, because if he won the World Series, he'll

607
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: never be able to sell you know, the players, you know.

608
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: So I was like the goal and I remember Jim

609
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: Leland at the time, it was one heartbeat. That was

610
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: the spring training. That was the they had the slater,

611
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: you know, and they put it all loud, you know,

612
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 4: like big, and and then they you know, that was

613
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: a big series with the Yankees.

614
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Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun, you know. I mean

615
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: it drew unbelievable.

616
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: Crowds, you know, and and I mean they kept the

617
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: Marlins kept you know, going through the they were in

618
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: the walk cards, they were ahead, but they come August.

619
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Speaker 4: I remember August, even September. Boy, they didn't play very

620
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 4: well that that, you know, at that end of the season.

621
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Speaker 4: Their record, I know in September wasn't wasn't that great.

622
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 4: There were times you know when you thought, okay, you know,

623
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: I know they had a leap and the Mets were

624
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: closing in and stuff like that. You know, you're not sure,

625
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 4: but then they wanted some big games, you know against Montreal,

626
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 4: against the Phillies, and if only we're able to but

627
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: I'll never remember, you know, It's like it was, it

628
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: was fun, it was enjoyable, hey, like you were happy

629
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: because you're gonna be in the playoffs, you know. And

630
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: then for this first time, you get this strip from

631
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: the Marlins, you know, because you got you have to

632
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: buy as a season ticket hold that you have to

633
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: buy the whole throughout the World Series, just as if

634
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: you know, you know, if they don't make the World

635
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: Series or they don't make the next round, well you

636
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: can ask for your money back, or you can use

637
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: it for your season tickets, you know, as a credit

638
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: for your season tickets for the next season. I still

639
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: have the piece of paper that has all the prices

640
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: and everything, you know, because I kept a lot of

641
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: this stuff. And I remember the first series started with

642
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: the with the Giants, I mean, and it's like where

643
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: everybody was excited, you know, they had at that time,

644
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: they didn't open the upper deck. I believe they had

645
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: like forty two thousand, forty three thousand people at you know,

646
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: the game, the place was was crazy. The games were

647
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: a lot of fun. I mean, you're you know, the

648
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: excitement and you know, and uh, it's like it's like,

649
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: you know, you have to pinch yourself and saying, hey,

650
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: I'm a Marlins fan and here I am in you know,

651
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: they're in the playoffs. You know, it's like you're watching this.

652
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: You know, it's like it was just it was unbelievable.

653
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 4: The other thing is, like I keep forgetting is they

654
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: made some big trays in the middle of the season,

655
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 4: like you know, getting Dutch Dalton. I mean he became

656
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: one of the you know, the leaders on the team,

657
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 4: you know, Greg Cancel. I mean, you know, he was

658
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: fantastic and and and the thing is, you know they

659
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 4: had can see you because see at the time was

660
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: a young kid and he was I think the only

661
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: weighed like one hundred and forty five pounds.

662
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean he was like really he still had not

663
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: you know, filled out completely.

664
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 4: You know, you can tell he had talent, but but

665
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, it's like they needed somebody,

666
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: you know, so and Jamison rug I think John Kinjelosi.

667
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: I mean, they they went out and got teamed you know,

668
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: made the depth on the team, which is what really

669
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: I think helped them put him. You know, when they

670
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: got into the playoffs, it really helped them a lot.

671
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: And then once it.

672
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: Got past the John's, you know, the next one was

673
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: the Big Braves. I mean that was like, you know,

674
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: like your biggest rival. You know, here you're you're facing

675
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: the Braves. And again, like I know, the serious starting

676
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 4: in Atlanta, and then they came to the South Florida

677
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: and I I got said, in my whole life, I

678
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: only missed one playoff game from the Marlins, and that

679
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: was a Levan Hernandez game.

680
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta explain it to you. Okay. It was

681
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: my wife and I had gotten married a year before,

682
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: so it was our anniversary. So guess who.

683
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but you know, some things she got to,

684
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: you know, compromise. So I remember giving it to the

685
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: tickets to my boss, and you know, and uh when

686
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 4: we went to dinner somewhere in Coconut Grove and walking

687
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: by a TV watching like the last few hours of

688
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: the game.

689
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: Like I said out that, man, it's like there's a

690
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: great game that I missed.

691
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: But but like I said, the excitement and then you know,

692
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: after that, you know, they went up and then they

693
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: you know, they all you knew is like they needed

694
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: one game and you have Kevin Kevin Brown pitching in Atlanta,

695
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: you know, Game six, Okay. I was like, you know,

696
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 4: Kevin Brown was like one of the better pictures of

697
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: the mornings had back in those in those in those days.

698
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: And he really didn't didn't pitch that great in the playoffs,

699
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, even in the World Series. I mean,

700
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: he gave you some good games, but it wasn't like

701
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: the dominant you know Kevin Brown that you've seen him

702
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: pitch a no hitter and you.

703
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: Know, stuff like that.

704
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 4: And uh when you know that Game six watching it

705
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: on TV when they uh, you know, when they hit

706
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 4: that grumble up the middle and they got the last

707
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: out and you're finally realizing you're going to the World Series.

708
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: I mean it's like, I mean, for me, as a

709
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: kid and like loving baseball to say hey, I'm going

710
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 4: to a World Series game, you know, it was just

711
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: like unbelievable.

712
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to stop you right there before we get

713
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: too far away from Levon because you are Cuban, aren't you?

714
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: Yes? I am, yes, yeah?

715
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Right in the middle of the

716
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: season getting called up and put in the rotation for

717
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: a Cuban player to become that prominent part of this

718
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Marlins team. For you or for the rest of the

719
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: community to see.

720
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: That, it was, it was fantastic.

721
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 4: I mean, and he had a big buzz going around him,

722
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: you know, you know, not quite I mean back then

723
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 4: yet like Fernandez, you know years later, that was I

724
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 4: mean Levon, you know, way at the beginning, back then,

725
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 4: I mean, he he gave him a big.

726
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: Lift coming in.

727
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 4: But I remember in the playoffs he started a few games,

728
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 4: but the only reason he, oh he started it was

729
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 4: because Alex Fernandez got hurt, right, Remember Alex Fernandas got

730
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 4: hurt right the first game against Atlanta. The second game

731
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 4: when when he was out for the series, it's like, okay,

732
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: we also probably are you know, our best picture or

733
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: second best picture, and all of a sudden, how we're

734
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: going to win this series? And it was Levan who

735
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: stepped in and and and did that, you know, so

736
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 4: and then even I think even in the World Series,

737
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 4: I don't remember did he started game. I know hes

738
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 4: they used to combine him with Tony Tony Saunders at

739
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 4: the time. I think Tony Saunders and then they bring

740
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: Levan in, so it's like a like a complete game.

741
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: So it wasn't.

742
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: And I know he won a couple of games that way,

743
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: but I don't remember him starting. I know it was

744
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: you know, Kevin Brown, al Lider, Tony Saunders. So but yeah,

745
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: liv On was, like I said, it was like a

746
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 4: he was like a hero. You know, I love you Miami,

747
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: you know, like, uh, you know, I was a like

748
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: I said, it was a totally you kind of wish

749
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 4: you could bottle that time and bring it to today.

750
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: You know.

751
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: It's because I always always felt that the base you know,

752
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: softword loves baseball, and I wish that they could have

753
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: taken advantage of when they won the World Series to

754
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: kind of kept the team to see what he had,

755
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 4: what he would grow into as far as the fans,

756
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 4: bringing in more fans and just you know, keeping the

757
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 4: process going. And you might have gotten a stadium you

758
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: know by doing that. You know, you know, so but

759
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: you know, hey, like I said, that's water under the bridge,

760
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: so now as you gotta you know, but like I said,

761
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: that was you know, Levon was like yeah he was.

762
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: He was like what not quite the same, but like Kevin,

763
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: Dontrell and Cabrera step into in two thousand and three

764
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: when they came up in May, you know, and the

765
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: shot in the arm that they gave, you know, for

766
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: the team, well the same thing Levon coming in you know,

767
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: from the from the from the minor league. So until

768
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 4: he was like the first true you know cuban that

769
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 4: was signed by the Marlins, you know to uh you know,

770
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: to play in the team. So but uh and and

771
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: like I said, I remember the World Series, what a spectacle.

772
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: And my wife and I will go there early.

773
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: We will bring uh go and get food, sandwiches or

774
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 4: whatever park and then would just walk around the whole

775
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: stadium because they had things going on all the way

776
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 4: around the stadium was like a you know, it's like

777
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: a big if you ever been to one. I mean

778
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 4: it's like they make like a you know, things going on.

779
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: So you just kind of baseball related things. They have interviews,

780
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: you know, you see reporters that you see on TV.

781
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 4: You see you know, baseball players, retired baseball players, baseball.

782
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: Players are still playing.

783
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: So it was really just to walk around and just

784
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 4: to take the take everything in. Then we we'll go

785
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: back and set up a little table and have our

786
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: food and just waited like a thirty minutes before the

787
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: game and then just walk in and you know, go

788
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: to the games. But I mean game one, I mean

789
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: it was like you know, Kevin Brown, I remember, you know,

790
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: against Hershizer and you know, winning that first game, I

791
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: was like, okay, we're up one nothing, Okay, we're off.

792
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 3: You know, we're off to a start.

793
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: And if you remember a lighter that that World series,

794
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 4: he did not pitch very well and he had not

795
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 4: pitched that good at all. So as a series moved along,

796
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: I mean it's like then they lost the second game

797
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: and they went to Cleveland and they had the cold

798
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: weather and they had all those wild games, crazy games

799
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: going on, you know yea, And I mean it was

800
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: it really wasn't their pitch. It was their offense that

801
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: you know, helped them win all those you know, And

802
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: I think, like I said, between you know, cheff Field, Bonie, uh,

803
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: you know Conine and you know Dalton they had I mean,

804
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: they have debt, so they were able to score you know,

805
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: a lot of runs. And you know, then all of

806
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: a sudden you're coming back to back to pro Player

807
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: Stadium and there are three games to two and I

808
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: was thinking, hey, Kevin Brown's pitching Saturday night. You know,

809
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: he got a chance to to win the series. And

810
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 4: I remember it was at the uh it was it

811
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: shadow or gee oh oh yeah, he was like he

812
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: was unknown. I mean, all of a sudden, that serious.

813
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: He turned out to be like, like unbeatable. I mean,

814
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: it's like and I think that was the only time.

815
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: I don't think after that he was you know, him

816
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: and Jerry Wright. I always remember Jared Wright, a young kid,

817
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 4: you know, with an electric arm. You know, those two

818
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 4: guys were for Cleveland where you know, or were amazing.

819
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: But when we lost that game Saturday night, I tell

820
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: you it was, uh, it was deflating, but I got it,

821
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 4: you know, to be able to see pro play stadium

822
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 4: fully packed, I mean all the way across, you know,

823
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 4: throughout the whole stadium, center, all the way deep in

824
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: center field, in the upper deck and that crowd, and

825
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: you know, it was just, uh, it's a feeling that

826
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: I'll never forget. It was like, uh, you know, it's like, uh,

827
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 4: I I wish that that that comes back to you

828
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 4: know some point that fans, you know, fluck out to

829
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 4: the new stadium and uh and go to and go

830
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: to the games because uh, it was such a I'll

831
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 4: never forget that.

832
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: That was unbelievable.

833
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: And then we so we get to Game seven and

834
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 4: our Lighter starting, and to be honest with you, and

835
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: even if everybody was talking back then, the confidence wasn't,

836
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: you know, extremely high because they're going against Jerry Wright,

837
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: you know, and Al Lighter had not pitched, so you

838
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 4: never knew what you're gonna get. You we're gonna get

839
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 4: with Al Lighter. And you probably knew that Jim Leland

840
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 4: was gonna you know, he wasn't gonna if something started

841
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: going wrong. He wasn't gonna hang out, you know.

842
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: Too long.

843
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: But Ol Lighter pitched, pished a great game, and you know,

844
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 4: I know that. You know, the Indians went ahead two nothing,

845
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: and it's for a while it did didn't look because

846
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 4: Jerry Wright was like unbelievable. And I remember it was

847
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: at the bottom of the seventheening. You have Bobbie Bull

848
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 4: coming up. He goes behind home players talking to one

849
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 4: of the ex players I remember who was, but somebody,

850
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: and then he created that fastball and then he made it

851
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: two to one. It was like, oh my god, the

852
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: whole place when nuts when nuts, Okay, it was crazy.

853
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: You know we're back in this.

854
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: Game, you know, but still you know it's like two

855
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: to one, you know, going to the bottom of the

856
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: ninth inning. And I'll tell you there was a guys

857
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 4: who pitched, you know, because sitting there.

858
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: Just like you're you're you're just a nervous wreck, you know.

859
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: Thinking, you know, but you had you know, alphon Seca

860
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: pitch that you know in that game or you know,

861
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: I think he pitched like.

862
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: A more than one inning.

863
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 4: Rob then came in, you know early, and I know

864
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: Jay Powell was the last one, you know, the in

865
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 4: the tenth inning.

866
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: You know, so Jay Powell pitched great throughout the playoffs.

867
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: So so you're relying on all these guys that you know,

868
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, you know, especially you know like alphon Sica.

869
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: You know he was good, but he wasn't you know,

870
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 4: you never knew what you know, what you were going

871
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: to get and uh and and then he got to

872
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: the bottom of the ninth inning and you know the

873
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: when they uh voices you know, gets a basic you

874
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: know started off and you know, guests to certain you

875
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: got preg canceled.

876
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: And he ripped that ball.

877
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: When he first hit that ball, you're thinking in the corner,

878
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: double game winning Marlins are gonna, you know, win. And

879
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: then when you see the right fielder going there and

880
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 4: playing right there and just you know, quarterback LEAs Hey

881
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: we tied the game to place.

882
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: Was going crazy. I mean, it was just unbelievable.

883
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: It's like I said, it was like, you know, I know,

884
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 4: it's closer to getting close to midnight at the time.

885
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: And at the time, my wife was actually six months

886
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: pregnant with our son, so you know, like but she

887
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 4: wasn't going anywhere, so you know, but uh, and it's

888
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: like just the tension, and then you got to the

889
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: top of the tenth inning and then it came to

890
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: the bottom of the was the tenth bottom of the

891
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: tenth when they won?

892
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: Eleventh?

893
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: Eleventh?

894
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, eleventh, okay, And you know I started out with

895
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: was it Bobby Bonny you got on? I know, he

896
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: ended up going he ended up going to third base,

897
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 4: and I believe it was like Devon, why was up

898
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 4: with one l and he had like a graumble one

899
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 4: they got bunnia at it at uh at home plate,

900
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 4: I believe in and ended up uh where Rent every

901
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: council was ended up at third base. And then it

902
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 4: was a renter EA with with two hours and I

903
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 4: think it was like he had one strike.

904
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

905
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: I remember it was naggy pitching, you know, and when

906
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: he hit he hit the ball, it was like because

907
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: it wasn't hit that hard, but you can see it,

908
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: you know, just going over the picture's head and then

909
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: you're like you're hoping there's nobody playing behind second base

910
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: and as you see it, you know, just diving into

911
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 4: the into the outfield. Oh my god, everybody was jumping.

912
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm I'm surprised I didn't faint, you know,

913
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: from the insidement screaming. And I have a video somewhere afterwards. Uh,

914
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 4: I had my big VHS camera, you know, I was

915
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: watching a few months ago. But it's like video of

916
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 4: the players, you know, going around in the around the stadium,

917
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 4: you know, and uh celebrating.

918
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: You know.

919
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 4: After that, it was like, like I said, it's a

920
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: I'll never forget that feeling. It's like it's like it's

921
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 4: such a a tremendous feeling that you know, you hear

922
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 4: your team won the World Series and it was like

923
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: game seven, you know, in extra innings, you know. So,

924
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: and I was always wonder why they they they the

925
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 4: Marlins Game seven the way they want doesn't get enough credit.

926
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: It's one of the better games, you know, in the.

927
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: World, serious history, because really it's excitement. We have a

928
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 4: game seven and barbably eleventh inning and you know.

929
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't get any more dramatic than that.

930
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: No, no, no, it was like I said. And then

931
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, we were there in the

932
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: stadium Pible until like one o'clock in the morning because

933
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 4: it stuffed the celebration going on in the field and

934
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 4: you know, the players going around with their with their trophy,

935
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 4: you know, and it was it was like, like I said.

936
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: I don't think many people left. To be honest with you,

937
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

938
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: I remember the stadium still being you know, but they

939
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 4: were going through the celebrations and people some people had left,

940
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 4: but it was still pretty full. So I remember it's

941
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: like that night and I lived, I didn't live too far, uh,

942
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: and I didn't get home until almost three o'clock in

943
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: the morning, so.

944
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: I remember that. You know, I couldn't sleep anyway, so

945
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, you know.

946
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: But and then they had the big celebration they had

947
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: a couple of days later, and I went to the

948
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 4: one they had a a pro player stadium. They had

949
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 4: a celebration with Gloria Stefan singing and all the players

950
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 4: were there, and it's like I have pictures of that.

951
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: I mean, just like I said, it was an unbelievable

952
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: time and uh but you know, it's like it was.

953
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: As much as I enjoyed that, one of the saddest

954
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 4: days for me was Opening Day in nineteen ninety eight

955
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 4: when they went out there and they raised the flag

956
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: because I was only had tears in my eyes because

957
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: I knew that this team wasn't going to be able

958
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 4: to to repeat, you know, to defend the title the

959
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 4: way it should have been. So it kind of took

960
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 4: away a lot, you know, from I mean, it won't

961
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 4: take it will never take me the memories away, but

962
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: it was just I remember crying because it was just

963
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: like a for me, it was like I wish it

964
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 4: would have we could have seen how we could have

965
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 4: built baseball in South Florida continue, you know, because it

966
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: takes it takes years, it takes you know, generations, Like

967
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: my son is like you know, he was born in

968
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: South Florida. I mean he lives in New York now,

969
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: but he's a big Marlins fan.

970
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 3: Okay.

971
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 4: He grew up going to the Marlins games, you know,

972
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: and I mean sometimes he blames me, why why are

973
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: not making the Marlins fan? But you know, but he's

974
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: still you know, he loves he loves the team. And

975
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: it's like, but that's how you had to build, you know,

976
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 4: over the years. It takes years to build.

977
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: You know, we're not the Yankees or you know, or

978
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 3: the Red.

979
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: Sox or even you know, the Cardinals who've been you know,

980
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: have that tradition for years. But like I said, it's

981
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 4: just that it's you know, in southomorder, we've just gotten,

982
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately, uh, the short end of the stick

983
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 4: many times. And it's just anytime you get to the

984
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 4: point where you start building up, something you know just

985
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 4: gets thrown in there.

986
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 3: That the sense of back you know a few years

987
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: and it's like you you.

988
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: Kind of hope that is I think it's there, but

989
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 4: it's just like, uh, you know, it's going to take

990
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 4: it's going to take winning, and it's just consistent winning

991
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 4: and to show people that, hey, you're going to want

992
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: to keep some of these players, like.

993
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: You know, now you have Jazz. I mean, here's a guy.

994
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 4: You know, all these other teams are signing the young players,

995
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: like one of the Fronco to long term.

996
00:46:59,840 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: Come.

997
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 4: Okay, he's a guy who's gonna bring fans love. We're

998
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: gonna bring fans. Okay, this is your chance to actually

999
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: do something to you know, lock him up and.

1000
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 3: Say, hey, he's gonna be here for a long time.

1001
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: He's gonna be the face of the Marlins. You know,

1002
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: so you need to start. You know.

1003
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 4: It's like, I know, it's like, but I also understand

1004
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: baseball economics and Miami's not you know, New York, and

1005
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 4: it's only gonna be a certain amount of money. It's

1006
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: gonna be available unless baseball you know, changes that with

1007
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 4: the That's the one thing is how people talk about

1008
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 4: the NFL. Yeah, they have the the only play one

1009
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 4: one day a week. They had the parody and the

1010
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: TV contracts. There's no way you can have a team

1011
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 4: in Green Bay.

1012
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: You know.

1013
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: If you were baseball, okay, it will never happened. Okay,

1014
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 4: but here in football you have green Bay. You got Buffalo, okay, Indianapolis,

1015
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: So okay, why does it happen because they have the

1016
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: the salary cap, all the all the teams just split

1017
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 4: the money and it's just you know, it works. But

1018
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 4: if you have Baseball with the Yankees with the big

1019
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: and the Dodgers with the big TV contracts and all that,

1020
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 4: you know, all the stuff that comes in, and yeah,

1021
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 4: the Marlins get a certain share, but they don't get

1022
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: you know, it's not split, you know, evenly.

1023
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: So we'll see.

1024
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: Like I said, it's like I'm you know, I'm so

1025
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 4: excited about the twenty two team. I think, uh, you know,

1026
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 4: I got to give them credit. They spend money to

1027
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 4: make the team better.

1028
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: Right now.

1029
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 4: I mean some of the players you haven't you know

1030
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: kind of uh you done as well as we expected

1031
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 4: so far, but you know, based on such a long season,

1032
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: it's it's still early. I mean, it's just uh, you know,

1033
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 4: it's like I said, I've always had the concerns with

1034
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: the bullpen, and I still do. But it's just, you know, it's, uh,

1035
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 4: that's what I think. Is like, you know, being an

1036
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: early Martinings fans, we never had a problem with Brian

1037
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: Harvey the first year, okay, and then we had you know,

1038
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: Rob Nan, you know, so we always had competence, you know,

1039
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 4: and that seems like of the last few years we've

1040
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: we've gotten away from that and try to hope, you know,

1041
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: that we get a young player that somebody steps up

1042
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: and I think that's more like you know, goes around

1043
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 4: base not everywhere, but and that you know, it's almost

1044
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: you know where there's they're very compet Okay, right now.

1045
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: The thing they got to learn to do is how

1046
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: to win those games. That's really what they's got to

1047
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: get them over. You know, good teams get to a

1048
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: certain point where they learn how to win those games

1049
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 4: instead of finding a way to lose.

1050
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 3: Is when the Marlins.

1051
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: So if they ever come to this young team comes

1052
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 4: to where they learn how to win those games, have

1053
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: not confidence say hey, I know we're.

1054
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: Going to win those games. It will turn around.

1055
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 4: But that's that's really the key is like there's so

1056
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 4: you know, I know, yeah it's not perfect, but if

1057
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 4: you watch the team, the games are close, but it's

1058
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 4: like they find a.

1059
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: Way to lose. It's like I said, you've got to

1060
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 3: find a way to win, learn how to win those games.

1061
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: You know.

1062
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 4: It's like that's that's what that's the difference between good

1063
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 4: teams and bad teams. They know how to win. Okay,

1064
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 4: that's it, and this team is still learning how to

1065
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 4: do that. Maybe this win yesterday, you know, will help them,

1066
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: you know, get over the over the you know, but

1067
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 4: still early. I mean, it's still early, and let's let's see,

1068
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: let's see what happens over the next show the next

1069
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: few months.

1070
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: So, but entering their longest home stand of the season,

1071
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: finally getting some rest after playing a couple weeks straight

1072
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: with that off day, I mean, and at a time

1073
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: if we go like the ninety seven you know, that

1074
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: was one of the early years when the wild card,

1075
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: the first wild card came in, and now we're looking

1076
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: at that time where there's three wild cards in each

1077
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: league under the new playoff format, which means that you

1078
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: don't need to be perfect to get into the dancing.

1079
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: And if you do learn how to win at the

1080
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: right time, if great's the end of the year and

1081
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: you're in a position where the team is matured and

1082
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: the pieces all fit together, then all of a sudden,

1083
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: you can be as competitive as anybody.

1084
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like I said, they had the talent. They

1085
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 4: have talent. I mean that pitching staff, they have the

1086
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: starting pitching. Okay, everybody in baseball wish they had Okay,

1087
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 4: half of what they have. Okay, it's just like there's

1088
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: like to me, it's like so sometimes it's a waste

1089
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 4: because I know they're putting so much pressure that I

1090
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 4: wish they'd oftense somehow figure out a way to score

1091
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 4: runs early, to put less pressure on the starting pitchers

1092
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: that they have to be so perfect, you know, and

1093
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 4: you know or have like you know, all these games

1094
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: that had against where they will and then they come

1095
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 4: back and get within one run in the seventh inning,

1096
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 4: and it's like the next two winnings, you don't do anything.

1097
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: That's the word.

1098
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: You gotta learn how to Okay, now we got here

1099
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 4: the eighth or ninth and we're going to figure a

1100
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: way to win the game.

1101
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 3: You know. So that's uh, it'll happen.

1102
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 4: I think it will. But you know, and again I'll

1103
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 4: tell every baseball fan down there. I live in Charlotte

1104
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 4: right now, North Carolina, so we don't have Major League

1105
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: Baseball have triple eight. And yeah, it's it's good going

1106
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: to triple A. In fact, I went to see the

1107
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: Jacksonville was here recently. Yeah, a couple of weeks ago,

1108
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 4: so Mayor pitch the game. I mean he probably should

1109
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 4: be up, you know, but uh, you know, is having

1110
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: the ability to go to a major league game is

1111
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: priceless if you love baseball. I tell every South Florida fan,

1112
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 4: I said, the ability to you get in your car

1113
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: and go and drive to the game. I wish I

1114
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 4: had that opportunity, I say, Okay, I mean if I

1115
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: live down there, I mean I will not have a

1116
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 4: full season ticket, but I would definitely get a twenty game.

1117
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: Package, you know, to go go to the games.

1118
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: And like I'm planning hopefully here the first weekend in June.

1119
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: When they play the Giants, go down and go to

1120
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: a game.

1121
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 4: And then my mama lives on there, so she's in

1122
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: a wheelchair, but she lost baseball, so we'll get the

1123
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: wheelchair you know, sections right behind home play there and

1124
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: she loves it, and uh'll bring it to the game

1125
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: and have you know, go to a couple of games.

1126
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 4: You tried, like I said, try to get a couple

1127
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 4: of times so I get to go like five or

1128
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 4: six games a year.

1129
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: You know, that's about you know, But like I said,

1130
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: I wish I had.

1131
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: The opportunity to get in my car every on a

1132
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 4: Tuesday night or even on a Wednesday night or on

1133
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 4: a Friday night, you know, and just drive to the

1134
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 4: stadium and sit there and just you know, enjoy major

1135
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 4: League Baseball because it's such a it's.

1136
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: Different than Triple as. I got to say, you know

1137
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 3: it is.

1138
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 4: I mean, there's some good players, and when you go

1139
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 4: to Triple A, you see good players and you know

1140
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 4: which ones are the good players, you know, and stuff

1141
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 4: like that. But but it was like here last week,

1142
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 4: I said, when they were here, it was like, you know,

1143
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 4: Blade was playing, Verdick was playing, you know, so it

1144
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: was so it's kind of it was lun Diaz was playing,

1145
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: you know, so and you gotta you know, us to

1146
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 4: do you playing third base, you know. And it's funny

1147
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: because he made a diving play to third base for

1148
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 4: the last al grumble and he's running off and everybody's

1149
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: giving a hard time and he's like, uh, you know,

1150
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 4: I think they were. They were joking about it. When

1151
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 4: he hit the ground, the whole thing was shaking, you know.

1152
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 4: You know, he was like, you know, telling everybody, hey,

1153
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: just leave me alone, you know. But uh, you know,

1154
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 4: and you kind of hope I mean that's I know,

1155
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: they got to built from within. I mean they've done

1156
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 4: a great job of pitching, but it's is the lack

1157
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 4: of developing good hitting that's really gonna It's held him

1158
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: back a little bit. And and the you know pandemic,

1159
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 4: you know, shutting down minor league baseball that was bad

1160
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 4: for Themorrows. I mean development all those players, so day

1161
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 4: and verdict. I mean it's you know, still the hope

1162
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 4: that they you know, you know, in Karnacion this year

1163
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 4: is having a tremendous year in the in Double A

1164
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 4: so far, you know, so even corner and he's like

1165
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 4: hitting two eighty, you know, so I mean you know,

1166
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 4: maybe he's turning the corner and you never know, you know,

1167
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 4: So it's always hope. I's want to think about minor leagues,

1168
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: just always hope, so you know, you never know, you know,

1169
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 4: and everybody was talking about you were parashing at the beginning,

1170
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: but you know, he's only nineteen years old.

1171
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he's doing okay, but you know, he's nineteen

1172
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 3: years old. So we'll see.

1173
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Well, everybody should listen to the videll if you're in

1174
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: the area, if you have an opportunity to go to

1175
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: this twenty fifth anniversary. These next few games in Miami,

1176
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: take take the opportunity to do so, because about half

1177
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: the team that's coming back for that celebration pregame festivities.

1178
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: They're playing a softball game, an alumni softball game. That

1179
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: should be interesting with some of the guys coming back.

1180
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 4: You know, I love what things. I have a picture

1181
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: of I posted it a couple of times. Is a

1182
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 4: fan Fast nineteen ninety eight and it just happened they

1183
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 4: had the World Series Trophy And when I went to

1184
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 4: get the picture, the guy that was there was Cred Counseled.

1185
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 4: So I have a picture of Credit Cancel and the

1186
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: World Series Trophy fan festinety nineteen ninety eight.

1187
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: So Craig Council in town because he's managed the great

1188
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: how they lined that up. So, uh, this has been incredible,

1189
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that just time flies about half

1190
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: an hour on that you had all those memories stored up,

1191
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: and I know people are going to greatly appreciate that

1192
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: perspective that you had from thinking at all those games.

1193
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for you know, thank you for

1194
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 4: having me. I mean I love talking Marmon's show.

1195
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: That's you know.

1196
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: And again Thank you to all you young guys. You

1197
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 4: guys are the ones that are you know, take the

1198
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 4: torch and keep it people moving. Myself was an older

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy it. Thank you, Thank you guys for all

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Speaker 3: the information you guys put out there.