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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Klay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in, Oh Boy, Chaos, Chaos, Chaos. I feel like

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Speaker 2: that could be the story that we begin with for

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Speaker 2: the next six months as we move closer to November fifth,

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Speaker 2: the Trump trial underway. So all of you know I

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Speaker 2: have not yet been arrested. If you missed yesterday show,

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Speaker 2: CNN says that I've committed felonies and should be arrested.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll play that audio for you a little bit

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Speaker 2: later in the program, but I want to update you

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Speaker 2: with everything that's going on right now, which is I

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Speaker 2: would say remarkably chaotic, even with the Trump standard of

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Speaker 2: chaos that often applies. So let me give you like

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Speaker 2: a rundown of what is transpiring as we speak. Julie

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Speaker 2: Kelly is going to join us at one thirty eastern

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Speaker 2: right now. The Supreme Court is hearing a case on

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Speaker 2: whether or not half of the charges that Jack Smith

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Speaker 2: brought related to January sixth on Donald Trump can be

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Speaker 2: applied or not to his actions on that day. And

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Speaker 2: this gets into the weeds a little bit, and we

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Speaker 2: will be talking about this in detail with her. But

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Speaker 2: you may have heard us discussing it for some time. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: prosecutors tried to use a corporate statute that was passed

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Speaker 2: as a part of Sarbanes Oxley that was designed to

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Speaker 2: restrict corporate governance Mouthfeissans, and they are trying to use

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Speaker 2: that to apply it to people who walked into the

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Speaker 2: Capitol on January sixth by saying that they were obstructing

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Speaker 2: an official proceeding. And the Court is having to analyze

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Speaker 2: whether or not that has been appropriately applied to the

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Speaker 2: January sixth defendants. An early spoiler alert this morning, Buck,

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Speaker 2: I was listening and reading about that argument. I don't

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Speaker 2: think this is going to be close. I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to be at least three that they cannot use

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Speaker 2: these statutes, and it may go all the way out

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Speaker 2: to potentially some of the liberal justices as well, who

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Speaker 2: have evinced a great deal of skepticism.

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Speaker 3: Also, we'll get Julie Kelly's read have you seen this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think if they were to go seven

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Speaker 2: to two or something in that magnitude to strike this down,

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Speaker 2: it would be a huge blow to Jack Smith and

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Speaker 2: all of the Democrats that have tried to use this

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Speaker 2: January sixth statute.

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Speaker 4: Well, I also think that it goes into a larger framework,

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Speaker 4: a bigger it's evidence in a bigger trial, if you will,

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Speaker 4: that how many times can they try to use the

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Speaker 4: law against Trump and they have to get slapped down?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: You look at all the different prosecutors, all the different

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Speaker 4: efforts to destroy Trump that we are finding the system

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Speaker 4: itself is saying is outrageous, meaning they've tried to abuse

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Speaker 4: the system to destroy Trump. And then people have had

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Speaker 4: to step in at the Supreme Court level, for example,

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Speaker 4: and say, guys, what are you doing. That's not constitutional,

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Speaker 4: that's not lawful. And the best example is the nine

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Speaker 4: to zero of what Colorado was trying to do. And

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Speaker 4: then Maine dabbled in for a second of removing Trump

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Speaker 4: from the ballot. To be very clear, the most left

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Speaker 4: wing justices I think in the history of the Supreme Court, okay,

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Speaker 4: and certainly the most among the most anti Trump judges

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Speaker 4: you'll find anywhere went along with the majority and that

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Speaker 4: they said, guys, you can't just say we think he

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Speaker 4: did a thing that hasn't been proven in court, and

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Speaker 4: we're going to remove him from the ballot and he

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Speaker 4: can't be president. He can't do that, right, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're effectively overriding federal elections, Clay, if this happens now

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Speaker 4: to your point about the Supreme Court argument this morning,

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Speaker 4: if that gets struck down, they will have abused another

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Speaker 4: Their abuse isn't just a matter of opinion, and their

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Speaker 4: abuse of the law is becoming increasingly a matter of

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Speaker 4: fact over and over again. And this is also important

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Speaker 4: they are trying now. This has just happened.

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Speaker 2: The prosecutors have filed emotion to hold Trump in contempt

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Speaker 2: for violating the gag order that was put on place

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Speaker 2: in place for him in the Manhattan criminal trial. Trump

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Speaker 2: has already weighed in this morning and I listened and

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Speaker 2: I was like, wow, this is what he said outside

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Speaker 3: So this is a couple of hours ago. I think. Now, listen,

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Speaker 3: we have a judge who shouldn't be on this case.

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Speaker 3: He's totally conflicted.

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Speaker 4: But this is a trial that should never happen or

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Speaker 4: should have been thrown out a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: If you look at a job at the term andy

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Speaker 3: Great legal skos is not one that we've been able

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Speaker 3: now in Pennsylvania and far in many other states.

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Speaker 3: This is all coming from the bite one White House because.

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Speaker 4: They guy can't put two sentences together.

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Speaker 3: You can't campaign maybe a using this in order to

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Speaker 3: try and win an election, and it's not working that way.

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Speaker 3: It's working the opposite player.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that is Trump this morning. He also posted

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Speaker 2: on truth right before he went into the courtroom. Buck,

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Speaker 2: this conflicted Trump hating judge won't let me respond to

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Speaker 2: people that are on TV lying and spewing hate all

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Speaker 2: day long. He's running roughshod over my lawyers and legal team.

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Speaker 2: The New York system of quotation marks justice is being

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Speaker 2: decimated by critics from all over the world. I want

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Speaker 2: to speak or at least be able to respond. Election interference, rigged,

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Speaker 2: unconstitutional trial. Take off the gag order now, Buck, here's

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Speaker 2: my question for you. Are they gonna put them in

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Speaker 2: jail over this? Because I think that's where this is headed.

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Speaker 2: I think this judge wants Trump in jail for VIAT

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Speaker 2: for contempt. And I don't think it's crazy to think

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Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. I think Trump may want it to happen.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is there are some parts of this that

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Speaker 4: are legal analysis and parts of this that become very

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Speaker 4: obviously political analysis, and I know they're intertwined as well.

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Speaker 4: I know we get this question all the time, and

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Speaker 4: it's funny because I don't know anybody who has an

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Speaker 4: answer to it. How do you incarcerate somebody who has

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Speaker 4: lifetime twenty four to seven Secret Service protected. We started

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Speaker 4: asking this years ago. Yeah, we've been looking at this

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Speaker 4: for a long time now. There is precedent for you know,

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Speaker 4: taking taking a person and putting them in I think

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Speaker 4: they call it administrative administrative segregation where you know, for example,

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Speaker 4: if a cop gets put in like state prison, they

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Speaker 4: sometimes will move because you know, maybe.

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Speaker 2: A protective custody basically different to the other members of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you could do something like that, but you

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Speaker 4: would have to have Secret Service, like I think Trump might.

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Speaker 4: This is I understand, this is crazy. Can I just

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Speaker 4: preface this. I know what we're saying here is crazy,

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Speaker 4: but we're in a crazy time everyone. I think there's

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Speaker 4: a situation where maybe they would because if they hold

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Speaker 4: him in contempt.

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Speaker 3: What he's going to be forty eight hours or something, right,

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Speaker 3: I thinen him in cuffs and they walk, they purple walk.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's the question.

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Speaker 4: They want to break, the seal, they want to establish,

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Speaker 4: just like remember the Brag trial was the first one

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Speaker 4: because yeah, it was flimsy, but they knew that there

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Speaker 4: was no process by which it would likely be overturned

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Speaker 4: the precedent, and all the omens came in Clay. I

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Speaker 4: think they could put him. I think they think, I'll

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Speaker 4: put it that way. They think they could end up

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Speaker 4: putting him in and administer great. By the way, if

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Speaker 4: we have somebody from like Bureau of Prisons or you know,

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Speaker 4: let us know if you think there is some precedent.

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Speaker 4: My sense is they would have to shut down like

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Speaker 4: a wing of a holding facility, and then there have

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Speaker 4: to be secret service there to protect him. But he'd

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Speaker 3: They can't. I don't think that.

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Speaker 4: I mean that the New York State can't say you

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Speaker 4: no longer have Secret Service protection. They can't do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that leads to them, which is crazy. There

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Speaker 2: aren't a lot of precedents for this, Okay, there's no president,

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Speaker 2: like there's no I mean, there are precedents for famous

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Speaker 2: people being held in contempt of court. Never someone would

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Speaker 2: secret Service protection. They never a former and likely future

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Speaker 2: president of the United States though. So here is my

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Speaker 4: Is this Trump as I've used this innound because I

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Speaker 4: remember growing up watching it.

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Speaker 3: Do you know brer Rabbit at Allbuck? Do you remember

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Speaker 3: the Braer Rabbit stories? No, ok, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: I don't know what percentage of people out there will

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Speaker 2: remember this. I'm in Georgia, by the way, which is

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Speaker 2: where I think that Joeld Chandler Harris Breer Rabbit stories originated.

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Speaker 2: They were later made into cartoons, all this stuff Breer Rabbit,

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Speaker 2: and before they decided that Splash Mountain was racist at

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Speaker 2: Disney World, Breer Rabbit was the star of Splash Mountain.

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Speaker 3: If any of you have been on the Splash Mountain.

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Speaker 2: Ride at Disney, Okay, Breer Rabbit would always say, don't

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Speaker 2: throw me in the briar patch. Whatever you do, don't

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Speaker 2: throw me in the briar patch. Is Donald Trump daring

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Speaker 2: marchand this judge, as well as the larger Democrat party

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Speaker 2: way that the mugshot was a huge benefit to Trump,

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Speaker 2: is him getting put in jail for contempt of court

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Speaker 3: Leave aside the legal for right now.

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Speaker 4: I do think so, especially especially on this because even

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Speaker 3: Of the news, which is most people, because most.

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Speaker 4: People are you know, we have a hyper attuned and

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Speaker 4: informed audience most of America. As much as I love America,

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Speaker 4: people have other things that don't watch the news, even

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Speaker 4: if you or watch much of the news, uh, and

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Speaker 4: they get their news from bad places.

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Speaker 3: In a lot of play, in a lot of context too.

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Speaker 4: I think that the that Donald Trump in a cell,

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Speaker 4: the reason being he was held in contempt by a judge,

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Speaker 4: the reason being he's speaking out against a trial that

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Speaker 4: has to do with a business administrative accounting error. That's

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Speaker 4: all this is that is what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 4: I think that any normal person who has not been

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why the polls are all showing

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Speaker 4: what they're showing right.

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Speaker 3: Now, Clay, That's that's the truth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is why. I mean, look, you things

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Speaker 2: cut through. I think what you said is a good

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Speaker 2: a good point. What percentage of people do you think

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Speaker 2: have seen the Trump mug shot photo? What percentage of

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Speaker 2: American voters? One hundred percent. I think it's almost impossible

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Speaker 2: that you would not have seen the Trump mugshot picture,

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Speaker 2: a day to day basis. I mean, I think if

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Speaker 2: you can name the current vice president, you've seen the

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Speaker 2: mugshot photo, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like, I think if you have.

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Speaker 4: Shot photo, then they canname the vice president. I think

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Speaker 4: it's almost one hundred percent of voters would have seen

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Speaker 4: that photo. My point is almost one hundred percent of voters.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying voters because you know forty percent of people

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Speaker 4: are not voting. I think almost one hundred percent of

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Speaker 2: I'm an unalloyed progressive and supporting Hillary this time around.

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Speaker 2: She also said the best part of Arizona GOOTV is

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Speaker 2: my Biden grandpa hat. So she's walking around in a

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Speaker 2: Biden for president with one of those massive N ninety

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Speaker 2: five masks on her.

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Speaker 4: These are things that she's tweeted. So this woman is

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Speaker 4: far left wing. I saw this communist is running NPR.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I saw this not only in the specter of

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Speaker 2: this guy gets suspended for telling the truth, which is

447
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Speaker 2: NPR is a rig news organization, but that he's being

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Speaker 2: suspended by, to your point, effectively a left wing communist

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Speaker 2: who is ostensibly arguing that she is representative of the

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Speaker 2: American public. We just no American taxpayer dollars. Yesterday was

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Speaker 2: tax day. I cut checks. I was not happy to

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Speaker 2: cut You did too. I know a lot of you

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Speaker 2: out there listening did too. The idea that any dollars

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Speaker 2: that I send in would go to support NPR in

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Speaker 2: any way direct or indirect is fundamentally unacceptable. It's time

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Speaker 2: to truly cut them off.

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Speaker 4: It's fascinating too that they the people that are so

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Speaker 4: obsessed with diversity and inclusion just as words. We all

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Speaker 4: know what that means. It's really just uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: race based mark cosmetic diversity. It's cosmetic diversity, right, But

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Speaker 4: put that aside for a second. The people that are

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Speaker 4: obsessed with diversity and inclusion. Think it's okay that NPR

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Speaker 4: which does get some public funding those.

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Speaker 3: It's not a lot, okay, But what's not a lot?

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Speaker 3: Why do you get any? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know, you know, how about we get you know,

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Speaker 4: oh well the Clay and Buck show the government Just

468
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Speaker 4: kick us like, you know, five to ten mil. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's no big deal. Just kick us five or ten mil.

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Speaker 4: It's not a lot, right, I mean, why not eighty

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Speaker 4: seven registered Democrats, zero Republicans working at NPR. How can

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Speaker 4: anyone think that a new organization that does not even

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Speaker 4: feel the need to have a a token Republican right?

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Speaker 4: Does it even feel the need to have Hey, like

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Speaker 4: we you know, we hate Bob who sits our bill,

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Speaker 4: who sits in the corner and is our like crazy

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Speaker 4: right winger. But at least we know what half the

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Speaker 4: country thinks if we talk to them. They don't even

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Speaker 4: want that. They want like a Maoist cultural revolution level

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Speaker 4: purity in that newsroom. They want it to be only

481
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Speaker 4: people that all agree and see the country the same way,

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Speaker 4: knowing that half the country thinks. I don't think people

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Speaker 4: that work at NPR are like I have like difference

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Speaker 4: of opinion. I think that there are a lot of

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Speaker 4: times delusional and mentally ill like I think there's something

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Speaker 4: wrong with them. I think they have anxiety disorders that

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Speaker 4: they actually think are political positions, and that's where we

488
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Speaker 4: are as a country. So I just think we need

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Speaker 4: to be honest about it and think about how much

490
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Speaker 4: self selecting is going on. If an organization that has

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Speaker 4: as many employees as NPR is one hundred percent has Democrats,

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Speaker 4: And this is why the diversity and inclusion people to me,

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Speaker 4: are full of it. The only diversity that matters is

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Speaker 4: diversity of thought, and what they're doing is using cosmetic

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Speaker 4: diversity as a cover to have a lot of people

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Speaker 4: who look different and think the exact same.

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Speaker 3: How does that benefit any organization well?

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Speaker 4: And the way the way diversity and inclusion actually functions

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Speaker 4: at institutions that are considered elite, at least in terms

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Speaker 4: of you know, it's hard to get hired or hard

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Speaker 4: to get admitted. Thinking about schools in that context, right,

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Speaker 4: the truth of a Harvard an NPR is not Harvard

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Speaker 4: by any means, but similar idea, the same mentality work.

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Speaker 3: The truth of an NPR is.

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Speaker 4: They think that there is more more to be gained

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Speaker 4: from the perspective that you get of having a white

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Speaker 4: you know, let's say a white guy who's you know, parents,

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Speaker 4: you know, went to Cornell or something, and we're doctors

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Speaker 4: sitting next to a black guy whose parents went to

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Speaker 4: you know, went to Dartmouth, and our doctors they think

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Speaker 4: that that, okay, well, there's diversity there. But they don't

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Speaker 4: think that there's diversity if you have somebody who grew

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Speaker 4: up you know, in rural eastern Kentucky really poor. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they don't think of that as diversity. They don't think

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Speaker 4: of that as expanding perspective. So, you know, two people

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Speaker 4: that would have lived very similar lives and often share

517
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Speaker 4: very similar perspectives, but are different ethnicities that somehow to

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Speaker 4: them brings different perspectives to the conversation. That's far more

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Speaker 4: valuable than somebody who, for example, grew up really poor

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Speaker 4: in disadvantage and somebody who grew up really richly. They don't,

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Speaker 4: they don't view that as necessary at all. And this guy,

522
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Speaker 4: Yuri Berliner, is a Democrat, so he's just not leftist

523
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Speaker 4: enough for the Demens. Not like he's a Republican who

524
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Speaker 4: was pointing out the flaws that he saw here. He's

525
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Speaker 4: just somewhat of an honest liberal, not a progressive, an

526
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Speaker 4: honest liberal who looks around and says, we don't really

527
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Speaker 4: have a marketplace of ideas here, and we're failing as

528
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Speaker 4: a result. You know, I think of ideologies in this way,

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Speaker 4: you know. And this is this has been true of honestly,

530
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Speaker 4: of communists all along. Is they want to infiltrate an organization,

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Speaker 4: a country, an entity, and then they need uniformity. They

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Speaker 4: need to control the entire thing because their ideas stink

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Speaker 4: and their results are horrible, and so if there's any

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Speaker 4: other approach that could be at hand, they will not

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Speaker 4: have power. So this is why they need absolutism. They

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Speaker 4: need uniformity. And I've said it reminds me, you know.

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Speaker 4: I went and I went and took my little nephew

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Speaker 4: and my family to the We had an amazing alligator tour.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: One of the big problems in the Everglades is they

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Speaker 4: have these there's a bunch of different invasive species, but

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Speaker 4: a big one is the boa constrictors. Right, They've got

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Speaker 4: learn like pythons for these pythons boa constrictors, and they

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Speaker 4: eat a lot of the native wildlf. The thing is,

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Speaker 4: they're not trying to establish a balance in the ecosystem.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna like kill all the native species, birds and

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Speaker 4: different things, and because they will take over. That's why

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Speaker 4: they're an invasive species. Lionfish, the same thing on the

549
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Speaker 4: reefs here. That's why they go out they hunt these lines.

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Speaker 4: You ever see those things are crazy looking lickfish or

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Speaker 4: the carp up in the Midwest that have gotten into

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Speaker 4: so many of the lakes and rivers all over the

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Speaker 4: Midwest to take over and dominate this invasive species from Asia. Communists,

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Speaker 4: ideologically aren't invasive species. They do not seek This is

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Speaker 4: why it's so fascinate. They talk about like diversity and inclusion,

556
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Speaker 4: all this stuff whatever. They actually do not seek parody, representation,

557
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Speaker 4: anything else. They want ideological across the board conformity, which

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Speaker 4: is why The New York Times NPR look at the

559
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Speaker 4: same story clay that plays out in newsroom after newsroom

560
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Speaker 4: over the last twenty years. Somehow it never is the

561
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Speaker 4: case that they go, oh my gosh, I woke up

562
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Speaker 4: one day in the washing the post was so right

563
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Speaker 4: wing and only far right, maga hat wearing. We don't

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Speaker 4: think that way. They the communist democrat think in terms

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Speaker 4: of it can only be my way and the existence

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Speaker 4: of other ideas is a threat to the existence of

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Speaker 4: my ideas.

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Speaker 3: It's all or nothing with them.

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Speaker 4: And that's what you see at NPR, and that's what

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Speaker 4: you see at campus after campus, news organization after news organization,

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Speaker 4: and now unfortunately, company after company, and it.

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Speaker 3: Ain't getting better.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting that when someone speaks out and a

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Speaker 2: lot of people say, you know what, he's right, they

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Speaker 2: immediately try to silence him. And that's happening lots of places,

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Speaker 2: probably in your unemployment offices out there. You've seen things

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Speaker 2: like this happen.

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Speaker 4: And they don't even they don't even feel the need

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Speaker 4: to address the underlying critique, which is obviously a problem.

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Speaker 4: You have any news organization that only has Democrats and

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Speaker 4: that's getting public funding, that should be an embarrassment. No,

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Speaker 4: the problem is that he talked it, not let's talk

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Speaker 4: about it. You shut your mouth, you do the work

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Speaker 4: of the communist party, you call yourself a good, loyal

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Speaker 4: progressive democrat, and you go forward.

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton making sense in an insane world.

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Speaker 4: We're joined by our friend Julie Kelly. Please check out

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Speaker 4: her substack declassified with Julie Kelly and Julie appreciate you

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Speaker 4: being with us. Let's dive right into it.

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Speaker 3: Fisher v.

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Speaker 4: United States Supreme Court heard oral arguments today. Before we

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Speaker 4: get into where you think the judges are going. Judges

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Speaker 4: are going, can you just give us background as to

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Speaker 4: what's at issue here and why it's such a big deal,

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Speaker 4: not just for Trump but for a lot of j

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Speaker 4: six defendants.

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Speaker 5: Right. So, this relates to the government's use DOJ's use

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Speaker 5: of fifteen twelve C two Obstruction of an official person

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Speaker 5: be eating statute. This was passed in the wake aftermath

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Speaker 5: of the En Run Arthur Anderson scandal. It has to

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Speaker 5: do with evidence tampering or document shredding as we saw

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Speaker 5: in that case. What the DOJ has done, for the

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Speaker 5: first time ever is weaponized that statute to criminalize political

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Speaker 5: dissent and charge now roughly three hundred and fifty January

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Speaker 5: sixth protesters with this felony offense punishable by up to

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Speaker 5: twenty years in prison. It, finally, three years later, has

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Speaker 5: made it to the Supreme Court and oral arguments. Joseph

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Speaker 5: Fisher was one of these defendants charged. The District Court

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Speaker 5: Judge Carl Nichols is the only one who dismissed this

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Speaker 5: count against him, and the DOJ appealed that, which is

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Speaker 5: how now we got to the Supreme Court oral arguments today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Julie, I listened to part of this. I saw

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Speaker 2: the questions. I wasn't able to listen to every minute

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Speaker 2: like you were, because you were inside of this courtroom.

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Speaker 2: But I have been in the Supreme Court before and

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Speaker 2: been able to forecast by watching and listening and seeing

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Speaker 2: body language and everything else. What I thought was likely

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Speaker 2: based on what I saw, I see this as a

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Speaker 2: six ' to three at worst when that would strike

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Speaker 2: down the use of these statutes. Do you agree or

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Speaker 2: disagree with that? How would you assess your read of

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Speaker 2: the justices questions and where their opinions may lie as

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Speaker 2: a result.

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Speaker 5: So, just to clarify, I wasn't in the courtroom today.

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Speaker 3: Oh my bad.

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Speaker 5: I know that's okay. Fortunately, you can cover all of

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Speaker 5: these proceedings on the Supreme Court website and also see

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Speaker 5: span and it's just easier to do it that way.

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Speaker 5: I will tell you I was a little worried, I think,

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Speaker 5: and disappointed at first with Fisher's attorney's presentation. I didn't

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Speaker 5: and the questions were tough as to the two different

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Speaker 5: parts of the statutes that are now in question. But

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Speaker 5: I sort of agree it could be sixty three, it

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Speaker 5: might be five to four. Amy Cony Barrett again seemed

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Speaker 5: a little bit unclear as to her position, which might

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Speaker 5: be fine. But look the idea that you can take

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Speaker 5: an entire code of the US Criminal Code fifteen twelve,

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Speaker 5: which only has to do with tampering with evidence or

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Speaker 5: witnesses in judicial proceedings, and clip out this sub section

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Speaker 5: and set this aside from everything else to make it

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Speaker 5: sound that official proceeding which is used throughout fifteen twelve,

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Speaker 5: meaning a judicial proceeding, not a function of Congress. To

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Speaker 5: carve that out and not only now take the novel

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Speaker 5: approach of using it to congressional proceedings, but of course

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Speaker 5: only apply it to those people involved in the events

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Speaker 5: of January sixth, which, as you guys know, this became

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Speaker 5: quite clear during the discussion today.

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Speaker 4: Actually, Julie, can we jump in here real quick because

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Speaker 4: we want to play for everybody hear Supreme Court is gorshic.

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Speaker 4: This is cut twenty eight dealing with exactly what you're

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Speaker 4: talking about, which is, oh so only in this congressional

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Speaker 4: instance is obstruction a problem play?

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Speaker 6: It would a sit in that disrupts a trial or

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Speaker 6: access to a federal courthouse qualify? Would a heckler in

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Speaker 6: today's audience qualify? Or at the City of the Union address,

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Speaker 6: would pulling a fire alarm before a vote qualify? For

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Speaker 6: twenty years in federal prison.

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Speaker 7: The actus rays does require obstruction, which we understand to

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Speaker 7: be a meaningful interference. We'd also have to be able

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Speaker 7: to prove that they acted corruptly, and this sets a

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Speaker 7: stringent men's raya. It's not even just the mere intent

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Speaker 7: to obstruct. We have to show that also, but we

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Speaker 7: have to show that they had corrupt intent in acting

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Speaker 7: in that way.

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Speaker 6: Most scrupted roadtests that actually obstructs and impedes and an

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Speaker 6: official proceeding for an indefinite period would not be covered.

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Speaker 7: Not necessarily, we would just have to have the evidence

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Speaker 7: of intent, and that's a they.

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Speaker 3: Tend to do it all right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think he knewked their whole argument here.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they get around this. There's absolutely

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Speaker 4: no legal basis to she's saying, Oh, well, corrupt men's

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Speaker 4: ray or something. Yeah, they're obstructing. They won't obstruct, and

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Speaker 4: they're obstructing. Really, it seems to me, July, what she's

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Speaker 4: saying is, well, if you know it's climate change protesters,

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Speaker 4: we like them, so we're not going to throw them

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Speaker 4: in prison for twenty years.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what she was saying. And I'll take this

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Speaker 5: a step first. Or I just emailed last week the

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Speaker 5: spokeswoman for the DCUs Attorney's office, the federal prosecutor handling

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Speaker 5: now fourteen hundred plus JA six cases, and I asked her,

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Speaker 5: do you have any of the pro Palestinian anti Israel

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Speaker 5: demonstrators who have done the same sort of conduct over

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Speaker 5: the past six months, especially in Washington, DC and unlawfully

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Speaker 5: entering capital buildings and disrupting Senate hearings. Have they faced

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Speaker 5: any federal charges, including obstruction of an official proceeding? And

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Speaker 5: she told me no, all of these cases are being

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Speaker 5: handled by the local DC prosecutor, which means they will

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Speaker 5: be local offenses. So I was a little surprised that

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Speaker 5: Elizabeth Peyligor was not better prepared to answer the selective

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Speaker 5: prosecution angle of fifteen twelve y two and the potential

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Speaker 5: slippery slope, which is a justice that seemed concerned about

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Speaker 5: that if you carved this out and turn this into

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Speaker 5: a felony punishable by twenty years up to prison for

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Speaker 5: someone screaming during a proceeding of the Supreme Court or

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Speaker 5: a Senate confirmation hearing or anything we've seen especially the

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Speaker 5: past six months. But she's saying, oh, no, that won't apply,

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Speaker 5: and they're asking, well why not, Well, I just don't

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Speaker 5: think it will.

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Speaker 3: That's okay.

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Speaker 5: Satisfy the inquiring minds of the justices.

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Speaker 2: Julie, as always, you're doing an incredible job covering this,

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Speaker 2: and I have to give you credit. Years ago you

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Speaker 2: started raising this as a potential issue, and I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people shot you down with, oh, there's

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Speaker 2: never going to be any impact on this, And now

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Speaker 2: it seems likely that the Supreme Court is going to

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Speaker 2: strike down I think prosecutions under this statute if we

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Speaker 2: are correct about that, and in June, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: issues and opinion you said maybe five four six three.

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Speaker 2: I think you would agree that it's likely that they

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Speaker 2: are going to strike it down. What is the impact then,

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Speaker 2: where do we go from there?

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you for saying that. That's why today was

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Speaker 5: so gratifying, because I have been covering this for over

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Speaker 5: three years and hearing from more importantly the defendants and

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Speaker 5: their families and what this substruction felony charge has destroyed

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Speaker 5: their lives and families and bankrupted them. So what it

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Speaker 5: will mean for them. They will get to go back

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Speaker 5: and say that the Supreme Court has reversed the DOJ

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Speaker 5: Matthew Graves, the DCUs Attorney, and seventeen judges on the

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Speaker 5: DC District and Circuit courts who out hold discount even

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Speaker 5: when they knew understood how vague it was, how brot

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Speaker 5: it was, how selectively it has been applied, and the

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Speaker 5: slippery slope that it creates. These defendants now will get

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Speaker 5: long awaited exoneration and hopefully they you know, they will

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Speaker 5: have this charge reversed. They will be released from prison,

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Speaker 5: they'll have the charge drop, they won't face prison time,

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Speaker 5: and this will represent a huge black eye to the

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Speaker 5: DC federal court system and the US Attorney's Office in

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Speaker 5: DC and d OJ for abusing this law to yes

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Speaker 5: creates a set of political prisoners who only have been

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Speaker 5: subjected to the selling when no one else has. And

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Speaker 5: Elizabeth Priliguard said today no one else will be just

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Speaker 5: j fixers.

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Speaker 2: Julie, how does it apply to Trump? So we know

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Speaker 2: that they're trying to still rush through this case. I

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Speaker 2: believe this would knock in theory two of the four

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Speaker 2: charges that Jack Smith is trying to bring against Trump

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Speaker 2: out of the contemplation, right, what would that mean as

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Speaker 2: you see it for that trial in the event that

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Speaker 2: we're right and this ruling comes down, because to make

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Speaker 2: it like kind of Trump specific I believe I'm correct

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Speaker 2: that two of the four charges against Trump for January

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Speaker 2: sixth related charges in DC are these aspects that are

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Speaker 2: being examined.

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Speaker 5: You're exactly right. So this has great jeopardy to jectsima's

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Speaker 5: criminal indictment in Washington against Donald Trump, which of course

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Speaker 5: is now and definitely postponed until the Supreme Court renders

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Speaker 5: an opinion on presidential immunity. Those hearings are next Thursday,

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Speaker 5: by the way, for people who want to tune in.

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Speaker 5: But this does jeopardize his indictment, and it should if

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court comes back, and they need to very

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Speaker 5: clearly say any congressional proceeding, including the events of January sixth,

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Speaker 5: does not apply to the meaning of official proceeding in

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Speaker 5: the entirety of fifteen twelve, including fifteen twelve C one

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Speaker 5: and C two. And this has to do with destruction

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Speaker 5: of evidence, evidence, impairment, document treading, et cetera. So if

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Speaker 5: they come back and they say the January sixth is

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Speaker 5: not an official proceeding as there it leads to fifteen twelve,

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Speaker 5: then I don't see how jack Smith continues to keep

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Speaker 5: those two counts in his four account indictments. There are

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Speaker 5: other ways that Supreme Court could hedge and protect within

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Speaker 5: Jacksmith's indictment. You heard a little bit of Amy Cony

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Speaker 5: Barrett which made me nervous, sort of reiterating Jack Smith's

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Speaker 5: talking points that the electoral certificates represent a document or

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Speaker 5: record in an official proceeding. So hopefully the Court will

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Speaker 5: come back with a strong resolution to that as well.

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Speaker 5: But you know this will be also I should have

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Speaker 5: had it Special Council Jacksmith and his team of the

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Speaker 5: Black Eye to him as well for bringing such a vague,

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Speaker 5: untested statute and a presidential criminal indictment against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Julie Kelly declassified on substack. Please subscribe to it. Julie,

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Speaker 3: we'll be talking to you a lot between now on

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Speaker 3: the election. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, guys really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: She really is doing fabulous work. Buck.

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Speaker 4: If anybody's out there and wants to keep their eyes

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Speaker 2: I'm going to an event for Kelly Bluffler and for

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Speaker 2: Governor Brian Kemp and a lot of other Georgia politicos.

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking there tonight and then Buck, I'm getting on

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Speaker 2: a late night flight and I'll be in the air

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Speaker 2: going to Seattle before we talk about Seattle, which that's

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Speaker 2: going to be fascinating. Yes, are you going to tell

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Speaker 2: Governor Kemp while you're in his home state your theory

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Speaker 2: about how maybe dark Horse Trump VP, you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe out of nowhere all of a sudden.

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Speaker 3: I think Trump is gonna win. I just want to see.

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Speaker 3: I want to know what his face is when you

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Speaker 3: tell him what.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump is gonna win Georgia by eight points.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be close. I think it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be like I'm putting it on. I'm putting it

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Speaker 3: on the prediction.

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Speaker 2: The projection eight points, I think seven or eight points.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a very comfortable win

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Speaker 2: in Georgia. Of all the states, if you had to

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Speaker 2: ask me, which state is most likely to flip from

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, either in favor of Democrats or in favor

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Speaker 2: of Republicans.

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Speaker 4: I think Georgia is going to be back in red camp.

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Speaker 4: And I actually think you're gonna start to see Biden

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Speaker 4: spending less time and money in Georgia because the numbers

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Speaker 4: out there are really bad for them.

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Speaker 3: In Georgia.

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Speaker 4: The most recent poll has Trump up to in Georgia.

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Speaker 4: There is no Senate race. There is no governor's race.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing to motivate in state voters for Democrats in

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Speaker 2: any kind of substantial way.

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Speaker 3: And you'll recall in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two, basically every statewide candidate except Hershelwalker won by seven

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Speaker 2: or eight points.

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't just that they won.

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Speaker 2: It was despite the fact that Stacy Abrams, I believe,

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Speaker 2: outspent Brian Kemp and they had a close race in

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. He trounced her in twenty twenty two. So

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the atl for taking care of me. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be down here again in June to watch

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Speaker 2: the Atlanta Braves with my kids.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait it. We wait for it.

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Speaker 2: We got a great affiliate again, News Talk Extra one

874
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Speaker 2: oh six point three FM. We appreciate all of you

875
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Speaker 2: out there listening in Atlanta and then Buck I'm headed

876
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: to Seattle, which is crazy town. I'm going to be

877
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Speaker 2: speaking at a Hillsdale College event that they are doing

878
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: in s So I'm gonna get on I don't know,

879
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: a midnight flight basically and fly all the way to

880
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Speaker 2: the West coast, and I'll be doing the show Wednesday

881
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: and Thursday, from there. So anyway, we'll see how how

882
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: I do in crazy town. I haven't been to Seattle

883
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: since everything fell apart with Chaz, remember that, like the

884
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: Autonomous region and everything. I mean, even for twenty twenty

885
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: standards of crazy, people looked at Seattle, Portland, and San

886
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: Francisco and said, you guys are crazy. The standard for

887
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: crazy was high, Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco all exceeded

888
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: it by massive amounts. So we'll see what it looks like.

889
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: I haven't been to the city since. Like I said,

890
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: I think I was like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen that

891
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: I was in Seattle, beautiful place, filled with a lot

892
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: of crazy leftists. So we'll see how I do there.

893
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: But two major legal issues that are unfolding. You just

894
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: heard us talk with Julie Kelly, the analysis of whether

895
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: the Jan six political persecutions, because I do think persecution

896
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: and prosecution are intertwined in many ways here, are permissible

897
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: or not under the Sarbines Oxley obstruction of an official

898
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 2: preceding standard. It seems likely that many of those convictions

899
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Speaker 2: are going to get struck down. Maybe it'll be five

900
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: to four, maybe it'll be six to three. Maybe even

901
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: get a liberal to come on, but that would come

902
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: out in June would be a huge story because it

903
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: implicates half of Jack Smith's case in Washington, DC. It

904
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: would also be a huge story, as you just heard

905
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 2: us talking, because for years leftists have been saying, oh,

906
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: these Jan six insurrection cases, they're one hundred percent legally permissible,

907
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: They're necessary, we have to hold everybody accountable. What you're

908
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: probably likely to hear is that there was major prosecutorial overreach. Simultaneously,

909
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: they are trying to hold Trump in contempt of court

910
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: in New York City, where day two of his criminal

911
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: trial in the Alvin Bragg cases underway. And what we

912
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: have been talking about, I think fairly on this show,

913
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 2: Buck since August of twenty two, when Lamar A Lago

914
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: Ray basically kicked into high gear. The way that Merrick

915
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: Garland and the Department of Justice we're going to all

916
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: come after Donald Trump. How is this playing in the

917
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: larger political arena? What would happen if Trump got arrested?

918
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: How would they even handle it? These are things that

919
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: are truly unprecedented that we are continuing to break down.

920
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think anybody who tells you they know where

921
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 4: all this is going is making that up. It's not possible.

922
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Speaker 4: Did you want to get to the Stephen A. Smith Clay, Yeah.

923
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Speaker 2: I want to play this because I would argue that

924
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith very middle of the road guy. He's

925
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Speaker 2: not a politically from ESPN. He's going to come on

926
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Speaker 2: the show. We're going to get him on somewhat soon.

927
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: He's being more outspoken on a variety of different areas.

928
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: I've done his podcast a couple of times. We had

929
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Speaker 2: interesting conversations, but he had this to say yesterday.

930
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Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about black.

931
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Speaker 4: Men and the possibility that if you look at the

932
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Speaker 4: polling from Wall Street Journal, maybe thirty percent of black

933
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: men are willing to support Trump. Here is here's what

934
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Speaker 4: Stephen A. Smith had to say about the cases in

935
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Speaker 4: his hometown of New York City.

936
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Speaker 8: To my liberal friends out there, all you're doing is

937
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Speaker 8: showing that you're scared. You can't beat them on the

938
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Speaker 8: issues and the merits. That's why he keeps saying it's

939
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 8: a political campaign against me. That's why he keeps saying

940
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Speaker 8: they can't beat me at the election at the polls.

941
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Speaker 8: This is the only way they could do it. And

942
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Speaker 8: if you don't put him in jail, and he still

943
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 8: goes from being the presumptive GOP nominee to the official

944
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Speaker 8: GOP nominee, and he goes to the polls even though

945
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Speaker 8: he was going to whine about winning and being rigged again.

946
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Speaker 8: You have given more fodder to that argument, which means

947
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 8: we'll never have peace in this country because tens of

948
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Speaker 8: millions of.

949
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Speaker 3: People see what extent the other.

950
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Speaker 8: Is willing to go through just to keep him out

951
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Speaker 8: of office because they can't beat him on their own merits.

952
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Speaker 4: I do think this is a fundamental point. I mean,

953
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 4: this is a central point of everything that we're talking

954
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Speaker 4: about here. If what Trump did is so bad, and

955
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 4: if it's so clear he's so awful, why is he

956
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 4: ahead in the polls and why are they so scared

957
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 4: of what's going to happen in the fall. And they

958
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 4: don't have an answer for that, and they won't process it,

959
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: they won't think it through. But I think stephen A

960
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 4: hits right into the center of it. It's something we've

961
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: discussed here many times. The best way for there to

962
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 4: be a referendum on Trump's behavior, whether just talking about

963
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 4: his four years as president or what you think about

964
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 4: whether that should change because of January sixth. This is

965
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 4: ultimately the most clear political question right This is about

966
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: who should lead the nation according to the vote of

967
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Speaker 4: the American people. Let the people have their say. All

968
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 4: these efforts that they have are to either stop Trump

969
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: entirely now and look, he's clearly the nominate. It's not

970
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: about just having him win the primary anymore, if it

971
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 4: ever was, it's to stop him from being able to

972
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Speaker 4: run entirely or now. I think this is what they've

973
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Speaker 4: shifted gears toward. Just make it so it's really hard

974
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: for him to win as he's running, but not based

975
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 4: upon what people want, based upon the fact that they

976
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 4: are rigging the system. I mean, this is they're rigging

977
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: the election. Even if Trump wins, it will be an

978
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 4: election that is rigged against him, just based upon these

979
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 4: legal challenges. And they can't come up with an answer.

980
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 4: If Trump is so bad, why are you terrified that

981
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 4: the American people are going to vote for him over

982
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 4: Joe Biden? Like, what is the response to that after

983
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 4: four years of Trump and four years of Biden? Americans

984
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 4: of voting age are likely to say, based on what

985
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: we see right now, yeah, I want Trump to be

986
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Speaker 4: president again.

987
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: It's not even just that, too, Buck, It's that their

988
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: only even willing by and large to bring charges in

989
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: juries that are rigged in their favor, that is, political

990
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: locales that overwhelmingly favored Democrats. So that's why I think

991
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: one of the most difficult and I think Stephen a

992
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 2: hit on it. We've been hitting on this quite a lot.

993
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: That's why I think one of the most difficult questions

994
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: to answer is not only why are you trying to

995
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: keep him from running? Why are you trying to put

996
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: him in prison? It's also why are you doing these charges?

997
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: Why are you bringing them entirely in a in a

998
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: jury rig to a large extent process, Because I'm not

999
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: we said this earlier. If you told me, hey, it's

1000
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty America, which I think it's fair

1001
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: to say that roughly, it is like everybody out there

1002
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: listening would have to agree. If you told me that

1003
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: they were going to try to bring charges against Trump

1004
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: to put him in prison for the rest of his life,

1005
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: I would still think it's an awful precedent to set

1006
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 2: in the United States, because sooner or later, somebody else

1007
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 2: will also have the same result that Trump has. Now

1008
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: somebody else is going to get charged as a method

1009
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: of lawfare. But at least if you allowed the jury

1010
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: to be in a jurisdiction that's fifty to fifty, I

1011
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: would say, okay, like, let's see how it actually plays out.

1012
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 2: Which is why South Florida. I'm not that nervous about

1013
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: South Florida. I don't think that there will be a

1014
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: jury that is overwhelmingly made up of Trump haters. I

1015
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: think there's going to be a jury in New York

1016
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: City that, just based on the numbers, is likely to

1017
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: be made up of Trump haters. And I think I

1018
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: don't think it's crazy to think that there are going

1019
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: to be people that want to see Trump put in

1020
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his life that are a

1021
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: part of this jury pool. Now, maybe some of them

1022
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: will say, hey, you know what, I can't fairly and

1023
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: impartially render justice.

1024
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: We already saw that happen a little bit. They'll step out.

1025
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: I think there's other people that will be happy to

1026
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: be on this jury because they want to hold Trump responsible.

1027
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: They want to be the deciders. And I look at

1028
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: this and I say.

1029
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 4: Fundamentally, we can have one hundred and fifty million people

1030
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 4: render a verdict on Trump's behavior, on Trump's whether or

1031
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 4: not he's able to be president, or we can have

1032
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 4: twelve in a incredibly biased jurisdiction. And to me, the

1033
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty million is the answer no matter

1034
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 4: how much you trust juris do you want twelve people

1035
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 4: trying to decide who can be president?

1036
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: Or do you want one hundred and fifty million? It

1037
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: does go to the ultimate point.

1038
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 4: I think about the mental instability of many of the

1039
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 4: Democrats that are pushing for this, or the the emotional

1040
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: and ideological surrender that they've had. Right, they just whatever

1041
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 4: the anti trump Ism demands, they will go. For the

1042
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 4: fact that Alvin Bragg has turned that one preposterous charge,

1043
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 4: it's worth everybody knowing or keeping this in mind. I

1044
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: think it's thirty four right, It's a thirty four felony

1045
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 4: count indictment. It was one thing we're talking about, and

1046
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: he's charging it thirty four time, which is specifically against

1047
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 4: prosecutorial guidelines. You're not supposed to. You know, if someone

1048
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 4: hands you drugs and then you say, hold on time

1049
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 4: my shoe, and you hand it back to them, and

1050
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 4: then they hand the drugs back to you. You know,

1051
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 4: you don't charge these as separate drug possession crimes, right,

1052
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to do that because it's obviously unjust.

1053
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 4: That's exactly what Alvin Bragg is doing. He's saying, oh, well,

1054
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 4: they like xerox did or they emailed it or whatever

1055
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 4: that every time, we're going to charge that as an

1056
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 4: additional felony. And you have to wonder that any Democrat

1057
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 4: who supports the prosecution going on in New York City

1058
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 4: is also telling you that in America today, it would

1059
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 4: be more just not preferable for you know what you

1060
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 4: think the politics of the country should be. It would

1061
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 4: be more just for Donald Trump to be in prison

1062
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 4: for years and not be able to run, although I

1063
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 4: think he would still run from prison. That's a whole

1064
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 4: other conversation. That's insane. But it'd be more just for

1065
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 4: Donald Trump to sit in a prison cell over a

1066
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 4: clerical error, over a Stormy Daniel's payoff or whatever hush

1067
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 4: money or whatever they're calling it. Then it would just

1068
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 4: allow the American people to say, do I or do

1069
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 4: I not want Donald Trump to be president for four

1070
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 4: more years?

1071
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 3: That's it.

1072
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: That's insane. I mean, this is this is the decision

1073
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 4: that we're being faced with as a country, or rather

1074
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 4: the decision they want to deny us as a country

1075
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 4: based upon what exactly and the moment you dig into

1076
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 4: a clay. It's all just so flimsy and underhanded.

1077
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent what it is.

1078
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: And I wonder how many people that are in general

1079
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: not paying that much attention or ultimately coming to that

1080
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: same conclusion. If the guy's so bad, how come they

1081
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: can't just let everybody go vote, Let the American people

1082
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: decide whether Trump is able to or not able to

1083
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: be the next president of the United States. That's how

1084
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: democracy works. Yeah, eight hundred two two two eight to two.

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Speaker 2: We'll get some of your calls on this issue coming

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Speaker 2: up on the back half of this hour. You know, look,

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Speaker 2: people think mortgage rates are extremely high, and look, they

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Speaker 2: And we know who's just responsible for inflation of the

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Speaker 2: by comparison, when you put mortgage rates side by side

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Speaker 2: with credit card interest rates, I mean, mortgage rates are

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