Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on Biheart Radio.
Speaker 1: My guest today is Eric Ericson. Eric is a very
Speaker 1: popular conservative talk radio host and author of three books,
Speaker 1: most recently Before You Wake, Life Lessons from a Father
Speaker 1: to his Children. Hi, Eric, so nice to have you on.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: I've known you and of you like a million years.
Speaker 1: You're really og in this movement and it's so nice
Speaker 1: to talk to you. I'm not sure we've ever done
Speaker 1: a show together before, but I've been looking forward to this.
Speaker 1: Where did you get your start? How did this all
Speaker 1: happen for you? You know?
Speaker 2: So politics.
Speaker 3: I grew up overseas and politics was just a way
Speaker 3: to connect into American culture, and then went to college,
Speaker 3: started college Republicans at my college, started volunteering for campaigns,
Speaker 3: kind of fell into it, and went to law school
Speaker 3: because the congressman I was working for said a law
Speaker 3: degree is an MBA in politics. So I did that,
Speaker 3: got married, and my wife was like, I'm not moving
Speaker 3: to Washington. So I became a lawyer, start at Red State,
Speaker 3: and one thing led to another, and a local radio
Speaker 3: show host got arrested in a crack house literally, and
Speaker 3: they needed someone to fill in for him.
Speaker 2: So I did, Uh so this is yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: So Herman Kane was running for president at the time
Speaker 3: and his station needed someone, and his boss drove through
Speaker 3: my town all the way to Disney World thought it
Speaker 3: was my show. I knew Rushland bought the time who
Speaker 3: lied and said I was totally a radio pro. So
Speaker 3: they gave me Herman Kane's job. Wow, and here we
Speaker 3: are all these years later, now the longest job I've
Speaker 3: ever had. It's been a wild ride. I mean, from
Speaker 3: Red State in two thousand and four to now talk
Speaker 3: radio and kind of doing my own substacking.
Speaker 2: But it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, just the fact that it wasn't
Speaker 1: even your show and somebody happened to hear it. I
Speaker 1: you know, that's really a kismet. So what kind of
Speaker 1: lessons do you tell your son in that last book?
Speaker 1: I'm interested in the path that you took to get here.
Speaker 1: It was sort of I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say lucky wasn't you know? Luck played a role? But
Speaker 1: so how do you impart lessons when there is that
Speaker 1: luck factor?
Speaker 3: So the background for the book kind of the genesis
Speaker 3: of it was in twenty sixteen. I was, as every
Speaker 3: nightmare story begins, I started CrossFit trying to get back
Speaker 3: into shape, and I couldn't breathe. I couldn't keep up,
Speaker 3: and I thought, God, I've hit forty. I'm old. That's
Speaker 3: the problem. And finally my wife was like, you got
Speaker 3: to go to the doctor. So I go to the
Speaker 3: doctor and.
Speaker 2: They send me to the emergency room.
Speaker 3: And literally the guy who does my CT scan freaks out,
Speaker 3: straps me to the table and says, sir, you can't
Speaker 3: get up. You should be dead right now, which was
Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, there's something going on. It turns
Speaker 3: out my lungs is filled up with blood clots. They
Speaker 3: gave me twenty four hours to live. They told me,
Speaker 3: you've got to call your family. As I'm trying to
Speaker 3: call my wife, my wife is calling me and she says, hey,
Speaker 3: I got a call from the Mayo Clinic and they
Speaker 3: think I have lung cancer. So literally like they're wheeling
Speaker 3: me into an ICU of twenty four hours live and
Speaker 3: my wife is getting this phone call that they think
Speaker 3: she has lung cancer, which she does. She's got stage
Speaker 3: four of a very rare genetic form of lung cancer.
Speaker 3: And it was kind of like, you know, if we
Speaker 3: both die, I need to write something for my kids.
Speaker 3: I got to include their favorite recipes. I've got to
Speaker 3: give them some life lessons. And it also was an
Speaker 3: epiphany as well that my God, if they google me,
Speaker 3: they're going to think I'm a horrible person. And so
Speaker 3: it was kind of a I want you to believe
Speaker 3: in God, because we believe in God, I believe in eternity.
Speaker 3: I want you to so we can see each other
Speaker 3: again if something happens. And also you need to actually
Speaker 3: model your life of good character. Don't worry what other
Speaker 3: people think, but also worry what God thinks. That was
Speaker 3: kind of the genesis of the book.
Speaker 1: Wow, and you survived over the twenty four hours? And
Speaker 1: how are you doing?
Speaker 2: H You know, I'm fine. My lungs.
Speaker 3: I finally several years ago, got the all clear that
Speaker 3: there's nothing left. There's some damage in my lungs. But
Speaker 3: my wife does have cancer. She was given two years
Speaker 3: to live and now almost nine years later she's still here.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad to hear that. That's really a miracle.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you when you're dealing with all
Speaker 1: your day to day stuff and all the politics and
Speaker 1: all the nonsense that we all kind of go through
Speaker 1: and living on our lives on the internet. I mean,
Speaker 1: how much perspective does what you went through give you?
Speaker 2: You know, a lot, you know.
Speaker 3: So we're recording this a couple of days after Rush
Speaker 3: Limbaugh died. He was actually a good friend of mine
Speaker 3: before I got into radio. I remember talking to him
Speaker 3: one time and this was before this had happened, and said,
Speaker 3: I never wanted to do a national radio show because
Speaker 3: there was no chance of being number one as long
Speaker 3: as he was around.
Speaker 2: And he laughed.
Speaker 3: He said, even if I'm dead, You're not going to
Speaker 3: be as good as me, So just be yourself.
Speaker 2: And so I had that actually.
Speaker 3: Around this time while this happened, and I finally thought,
Speaker 3: you know, I really am. I'm pretending to be this
Speaker 3: biblical donkey, if you will, and jackass to people on
Speaker 3: the internet, and I'm playing someone other than myself. I
Speaker 3: should just be myself. And that really was kind of
Speaker 3: a life turning moment for me. Was I just the
Speaker 3: secret to my success is I am exactly on the
Speaker 3: radio and on the internet exactly as I am off
Speaker 3: the radio and off the Internet. I'm a middle aged,
Speaker 3: fat white dude who's perfectly comfortable being married and enjoys
Speaker 3: my kids and lives in Middle Georgia, not in Washington
Speaker 3: or New York, and relate to people accordingly.
Speaker 1: Do you can recognize a lot?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I believe yes, it's for a guy who's mostly on
Speaker 3: the radio. Yes, And it's very weird. If I go
Speaker 3: to a restaurant and I sit and I face people,
Speaker 3: no one really pays attention, and the moment they hear
Speaker 3: my voice and don't recognize me, it's like, I know
Speaker 3: who that guy is. I actually have literally now probably
Speaker 3: four times in my life, including right after the election
Speaker 3: in November, I've been standing at a urinal in the
Speaker 3: airport and someone recognized me and began yelling at me.
Speaker 3: Like literally, I'm peen and I'm getting yelled at by someone.
Speaker 3: It it's a very weird life.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because how do they know who you are? Like?
Speaker 1: Are they listening to conservative radio and they hate it?
Speaker 1: It's like hate listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to some degree, I think. So.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been on I was on CNN for
Speaker 3: three years, on Fox for five, and occasionally still do TV.
Speaker 3: So I do get recognized, and yeah, man, the people
Speaker 3: who recognize me. And right after the election, when emotions
Speaker 3: were raw, that guy just I mean, I'm literally just
Speaker 3: trying to mind my own business and dude is yelling
Speaker 3: at me because Donald Trump won. And then, you know,
Speaker 3: the same day, literally someone followed me to my car
Speaker 3: when I was leaving the airport. He was so excited
Speaker 3: by the election. And I finally was like, I gotta
Speaker 3: like win the lottery so I can find plyer for
Speaker 3: private or something.
Speaker 1: What's the best part about being a person.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, the kindness of strangers at the same time,
Speaker 3: the number of people who pray for my wife and
Speaker 3: for me, who send notes just that pray for you today.
Speaker 3: We've got a family, their kids. My wife gets a
Speaker 3: note from their church regularly that she's been put on
Speaker 3: their prayer list. And it's just the kindness of strangers.
Speaker 3: As much as people can kind of get upset and stuff,
Speaker 3: just the random kindness from individuals who they're not wealthy people.
Speaker 3: They just they're reaching out and they're praying for you
Speaker 3: and cheering you honor they see they buy you a beer.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's actually, you know, worth all the
Speaker 1: people yelling at you as Parnels, I think, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it's kind of a trade off. You know, yeah, what
Speaker 1: would you be doing if not this? What would be
Speaker 1: the Eric ericson.
Speaker 3: Plan b Oh, you know, probably cooking in a restaurant somewhere.
Speaker 2: Really, I love to cook.
Speaker 3: In fact, my parents thought I should go to culinary school,
Speaker 3: and I was just like, this is this is what
Speaker 3: I love to do. I don't want to turn it
Speaker 3: into a profession. But the older I get, the more
Speaker 3: I think, if if I wasn't doing radio and conservative politics,
Speaker 3: I probably would be a chef somewhere. I genuinely love
Speaker 3: to cook for other people. Half the stuff I make
Speaker 3: I don't even eat.
Speaker 1: I just make it for the Really, I mean, don't
Speaker 1: you have to eat it or taste it at least?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, you taste a little bit. But
Speaker 3: I mean if I'm smoking a brisket for someone, I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure I've got it right so I can give
Speaker 3: it to them and or a cake or something. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I love to cook. On Sundays. Several years ago,
Speaker 3: my wife is like, you're live in an isolated existence,
Speaker 3: you don't have a lot of friends. Start inviting people over,
Speaker 3: so on Sundays, I invite a group of friends over.
Speaker 3: We saw on my front porch, watch sports, smoke cigars
Speaker 3: and drink bourbon. And I cook every week. This past
Speaker 3: Sunday I roasted a pork loin and made Cuban sandwiches,
Speaker 3: and the week before I did a brisket, and the
Speaker 3: week before that, I did fried shrimp tacos, and I
Speaker 3: just I love to do it for people.
Speaker 1: That sounds amazing. I mean, your wife had to pressure
Speaker 1: you to have friends.
Speaker 2: Over though, yeah she really did.
Speaker 1: Like all lesbians, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you know, I do.
Speaker 3: It is kind of an isolated existence, and I pay
Speaker 3: to go to a gym to work out by myself
Speaker 3: because I tried going with other people and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: let's talk politics while I'm trying to do a burpie
Speaker 3: and not pute my guts up. So I just live
Speaker 3: somewhat of a private life. But I enjoy it being
Speaker 3: surrounded by friends and being able to cook for people.
Speaker 1: A right trip to Georgia. I think it is in
Speaker 1: my future some of that. I want to sit on
Speaker 1: that front porch. What do you worry about?
Speaker 3: I worry about my kids becoming too online. I mean,
Speaker 3: we try to get them to not stare at phones
Speaker 3: and stuff. But I see this with friends of mine
Speaker 3: who they're less and less happy because they're less and
Speaker 3: less in the world around them and more in the
Speaker 3: world they've created online. I mean, we can all create
Speaker 3: communities of interest where everybody thinks like us and looks
Speaker 3: like us.
Speaker 2: We don't know the homeless.
Speaker 3: Guy down the street or our next door neighbor. I
Speaker 3: started going to seminary a number of years ago, go
Speaker 3: I talk about faith on radio and figured out how
Speaker 3: to go back to seminary. And one of the things
Speaker 3: that has struck me for years is as a Christian,
Speaker 3: Jesus says, you love your neighbors as yourself. And when
Speaker 3: I look at that, I try to tell my friends
Speaker 3: that even though I may not agree with transgenderism as
Speaker 3: a philosophy or a way of life, I've got to
Speaker 3: love my transgender neighbors so much when they go on vacation,
Speaker 3: they leave a key at my house or something just
Speaker 3: I mean, we're in a community together, and I want
Speaker 3: my kids to understand that you can't just surround yourself
Speaker 3: with people who agree with you, because you're going to
Speaker 3: be a shallow angry person.
Speaker 1: How do you keep them kind of off of that
Speaker 1: online existence. I mean, I'm asking for myself because obviously,
Speaker 1: I think again, in our world, we're just online so much.
Speaker 1: We have to keep up with the latest of what
Speaker 1: people are saying and what X is. You know, character
Speaker 1: of the Day is all of that. How do you
Speaker 1: keep them away from it?
Speaker 3: You know, so one, if you come to my house,
Speaker 3: you can't get into Snapchat, you can't get into Twitter
Speaker 3: unless you have the password for the WiFi to be
Speaker 3: able to access those websites. So my kids aren't on it.
Speaker 3: We let them do Instagram and that's about it. But volunteering,
Speaker 3: participating in a church community, in a religious community, it's
Speaker 3: important to us having my kids involved in sports and music.
Speaker 3: My daughter is a great artist. My son has taught
Speaker 3: himself how to play the piano and the cello, and
Speaker 3: so now we're getting in lessons. But making them get
Speaker 3: out of the house and get offline and actually be
Speaker 3: in the world around them is important to us. You know,
Speaker 3: we knew we had a problem one time when our
Speaker 3: son we would as all I think real parents do,
Speaker 3: babysit with an iPad, and we were going to see
Speaker 3: my in laws one time, my son loves maps, and
Speaker 3: literally we're driving across the Chattahoochie River here in Georgia,
Speaker 3: and my son's not even looking out the window. He's
Speaker 3: looking at his iPad. He says, we're about to go
Speaker 3: over a river. It's like, we need to like take
Speaker 3: the devices away, make me look out the car window.
Speaker 1: But the problem, of course, is that like I'm on
Speaker 1: my device, and it's kind of you know, my kids
Speaker 1: are like look up and talk to me, you know,
Speaker 1: when we're trying to tell me something. Obviously I can
Speaker 1: give them the advice of like stay offline. But when
Speaker 1: I'm myself and so so into it a lot tougher
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: And I'm a bit of a hypocrite on this with
Speaker 3: my kids all the time. We'll say my kids have
Speaker 3: a brilliant sense of humor. It's actually a pretty dark
Speaker 3: sense of humor, exactly like their father. And so I
Speaker 3: do enjoy sharing memes with my kids on Instagram a lot.
Speaker 3: But you know, when we're we have we try to
Speaker 3: have dinner together, sit around the table, all devices facing
Speaker 3: the table or not at the table, and actually break
Speaker 3: bread together like I do with friends. Where we're not
Speaker 3: staring at our devices. We're actually talking to each other,
Speaker 3: and when my kids start talking, it really is just
Speaker 3: the funniest part of the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love.
Speaker 4: That We're going to take a quick break and be
Speaker 4: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What advice would
Speaker 4: you give your sixteen year old self if you had to,
Speaker 4: you know, offer yourself some.
Speaker 2: Thoughts honestly, to exercise.
Speaker 3: I was never a big into exercise when I was
Speaker 3: growing up and now trying to lose weight to get
Speaker 3: back in shape, tell my sixteen year old self just
Speaker 3: get out and take a walk. You know, we had it,
Speaker 3: I guess to a degree easier. We didn't have the internet,
Speaker 3: at least I didn't when I was growing up as
Speaker 3: a sixteen year old. But get outside and enjoy nature
Speaker 3: is something I would have told myself as a kid
Speaker 3: instead of sitting behind my Nintendo playing video games.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I feel like kids just naturally exercise all
Speaker 1: the time. I would say, maybe just keep going. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely was never a big working out person either,
Speaker 1: and it would have been good to start at sixteen
Speaker 1: if somebody.
Speaker 3: Else you know, so I grew up in Dubai and
Speaker 3: then move back to South Louisiana, So it was either
Speaker 3: hot and dry or hot and humid, and either way
Speaker 3: it was hot and I just wanted to stay inside.
Speaker 1: What are some changes you've seen in the conservative movement
Speaker 1: over your career, Like, what do you what do you
Speaker 1: think is good about the changes? Let's start there.
Speaker 3: Actually, you know, okay, So what I think is good
Speaker 3: about the changes is that it is much more communal
Speaker 3: in that because of the way the Internet works, there
Speaker 3: are a wider swath of people across the nation who
Speaker 3: have a say in what it means to be a
Speaker 3: conservative in what direction it goes. It's less of an
Speaker 3: elitist movement than I think it used to be in
Speaker 3: the sixties, seventies and early eighties.
Speaker 1: And the worst part.
Speaker 3: That also it's conservatives are herding cats more than Democrats
Speaker 3: because we are more individualistic. At the same time, I
Speaker 3: think probably the worst part is there are a lot
Speaker 3: of voices that have invaded the conservative movement that are
Speaker 3: more there for profiting off the movement than committed to
Speaker 3: the movement. And I think the Internet has caused all
Speaker 3: of us, myself included, to lose a level of discernment
Speaker 3: we went once had as to the voices we should
Speaker 3: listen to and the ideas that we should be fostering
Speaker 3: as opposed to festering.
Speaker 1: Is it possible for the tech to get too big?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think so. I think there's some people
Speaker 3: who want it smaller than it should be. There are
Speaker 3: people who definitely want it too big. Not all ideas
Speaker 3: are compatible with freedom and liberty, and I think a
Speaker 3: conservative movement's got to be family focused and committed to
Speaker 3: individual responsibility and individualism. This idea that I think some
Speaker 3: people are trying to infect the movement with that we
Speaker 3: need to be some level of Christian nationalist deocracy or
Speaker 3: Catholic governance in some way. I think there is a
Speaker 3: growing disrespect for the individual family within parts of the
Speaker 3: conservative movement.
Speaker 2: That's dangerous.
Speaker 3: That at the end of the day, the free market
Speaker 3: is you and me operating at arm's length to decide
Speaker 3: what's best for our family, and inevitably we wind up
Speaker 3: through a series of compromises in the free market doing well,
Speaker 3: but having some sort of populous pullet bureau pulling the
Speaker 3: levers and flipping the switches is as doomed to failure
Speaker 3: as it is on the left.
Speaker 1: Are you hopeful about the future of the conservative movement.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hopeful because I've read the end of
Speaker 3: the book. I know how it ends, and I think
Speaker 3: people of faith are going to turn out okay in
Speaker 3: the end. I do think that there's a danger in
Speaker 3: us making an idol of our country and wanting things
Speaker 3: to be a certain way. I hear people say all
Speaker 3: the time, still, what is conservatism? Conservatives like your first
Speaker 3: Amendment right that Jade Vans just lectured Europe about as
Speaker 3: a great example.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I do.
Speaker 3: Think that there are people who have a vision of
Speaker 3: the country that is an idealized vision that never really was,
Speaker 3: and the danger is trying to impose that vision on
Speaker 3: everyone else.
Speaker 1: What do you think Rush would be saying right now?
Speaker 1: Would he be excited about.
Speaker 2: Where we are? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think he would be having a blash, just just
Speaker 3: laughing at both the frenzy on the right. And also
Speaker 3: I do think one thing that Rushed at a very
Speaker 3: good job that people in the conservative movement have forgotten
Speaker 3: is the other side is right for laughter. We don't
Speaker 3: need to be angry at them. I mean, it's actually
Speaker 3: kind of hilarious the insanity that has infected the left.
Speaker 3: We should be mocking them and laughing them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think mockery is actually way underutilized by the right.
Speaker 1: I think that that has to be how we attack
Speaker 1: the left. I think in a joyful fashion. Making fun
Speaker 1: of them is often the way to go.
Speaker 3: This anger and even some of the unhealthy anti Semitism
Speaker 3: that's just cropping up in parts of the right, that's
Speaker 3: doomed to failure, and it should fail. To see some
Speaker 3: people voices on the right suddenly sounding very anti Semitic
Speaker 3: these days, I think we have to police our movement
Speaker 3: and drive those voices out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I obviously agree, but I also I'm hopeful
Speaker 1: because I think that a lot of that is only online.
Speaker 1: Like when I go the deeper, the red the area
Speaker 1: is the more pro Israel, a pro Jew or you know,
Speaker 1: just generally not antisemitic. It is I think where you're
Speaker 1: seeing these anti Semitic outbursts or you know, dominantly in
Speaker 1: blue areas, and I think on our side it's still
Speaker 1: and you know, in my Jewish world, when I say this,
Speaker 1: people think I'm being naive or something, but I think
Speaker 1: I really do think the more conservative areas are safer
Speaker 1: for Jews.
Speaker 3: You know, I tend to agree with you as well
Speaker 3: in that, and I do think it is mostly online.
Speaker 3: And I think the danger for the right right now
Speaker 3: is much like the left was in twenty fifteen or so,
Speaker 3: that we think that what happens on teter is reality,
Speaker 3: and I've seen more and more younger guys on the
Speaker 3: right say that, no, actually, what's happening online is a
Speaker 3: reflection reality. I don't think it is. And I do
Speaker 3: think that in the heartland outside of New York and DC,
Speaker 3: people tend to really get along regardless of their politics,
Speaker 3: and they have the backs of their Jewish neighbors as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But other thing that I'm worried about on the right,
Speaker 1: and maybe you are too, is just this whole you know,
Speaker 1: it's sort of the Andrew Tate thing, but it's like
Speaker 1: that don't get married message to men. I find that
Speaker 1: that is growing on the right, and that is something
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm worried about leaping into real life
Speaker 1: because our marriage rates are already into decline.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, listen, I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3: And this is again, it's where my fear is that
Speaker 3: there are so many people who take what's happening online
Speaker 3: and try to impose it offline or translate it offline.
Speaker 3: And the marriage movement is something that I worry about.
Speaker 3: There are helpful signs offline though, about the number of
Speaker 3: young people who are going back to religious institutions, to
Speaker 3: synagogue tipples and churches, who are trying to reconnect with
Speaker 3: their faith. And that's a data point that does give
Speaker 3: me some hope on this that we have these cycles
Speaker 3: of life, and it's reflective in the West right now,
Speaker 3: a birth decline across the Western world. But I do
Speaker 3: think there's an opportunity for it to rebound, and a
Speaker 3: younger generation that actually is more connected to its faith
Speaker 3: probably is where it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I love that optimism because I think we really need it.
Speaker 1: We need that rebound, and I think that the right
Speaker 1: needs to be driving the conversation where marriage is a
Speaker 1: good thing for both men and women. We need to
Speaker 1: get back to it and have those numbers go up.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm hopeful, but I definitely am concerned too.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of data out there that does
Speaker 3: give me hope for the younger generation, and it's one
Speaker 3: of those weird cyclical things where you go through, like
Speaker 3: with kids and group work, you have a generation that
Speaker 3: wants to collaborate, wants to do group work.
Speaker 2: And then you have these individualists.
Speaker 3: And I see it in my kids that their generation
Speaker 3: right now is very their individual thinkers. They don't like
Speaker 3: group work, but they're also much more committed to institutions
Speaker 3: than kids just a few years older than them.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that. Thank you, Eric. This has been
Speaker 1: so amazing for my last question that I ask all
Speaker 1: my guests leave us here with your best tip for
Speaker 1: my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 3: Know your actual neighbors if you live in an apartment complex,
Speaker 3: if you live in a community, actually know the people
Speaker 3: you live next to and try to have some even
Speaker 3: mild relationship with them, so that I mean, your Facebook
Speaker 3: friend is not going to come take care of you
Speaker 3: if you're sick, but your next door neighbor might. So
Speaker 3: you want to rebuild your community, I mean, look to Jeremiah,
Speaker 3: seek the welfare of the community in which you live,
Speaker 3: because there you'll find your welfare.
Speaker 1: Love it. I have to go meet some neighbors for sure.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Eric for coming on. He's Eric Ericson.
Speaker 1: Read him, check him out. Such a great voice on
Speaker 1: the conservative side. And I just I've been listening to
Speaker 1: you for years and I really loved having you on.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thanks so much, Thanks so much
Speaker 4: for joining us on the Carol Marca Woich Show.
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