Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
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Speaker 1: in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectie Elliott, and now your hosts
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Draft Show from the
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Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Dane Brugler, CBS Sports contributor
Speaker 1: to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David Hellman, writer for Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com, and Kent Garrison, executive producer. Once again,
Speaker 1: we do welcome you to the Draft Show, where we
Speaker 1: attempt to investigate and educate. I'm going to get into
Speaker 1: some things today that i think will be very pertinent
Speaker 1: to what we're gonna be talking about here in the future.
Speaker 1: I think Dane shares my disdain right now for rules
Speaker 1: that are going to be that are happening within the combine.
Speaker 1: Right I've always loved the combine, and I've always thought
Speaker 1: it was a major part of what we did. The
Speaker 1: medical information, to me, was always the most important I
Speaker 1: can go to tallahassee our Gainesville, these places in time.
Speaker 1: A guy, I just need to know how healthy these
Speaker 1: guys are. We'll get into that in just a second.
Speaker 1: We're also going to get into our staple of Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty. Need your help right there for that.
Speaker 1: Want to take the opportunity, you know, I see a
Speaker 1: lot of Twitter questions to Dane Brugal. I see a
Speaker 1: lot of questions to David Hellman about players. This is
Speaker 1: your opportunity. You know, take this opportunity, you know, full
Speaker 1: advantage of it. Tweet at the Draft show, and that's
Speaker 1: where you're going to get your questions answered there on
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty. You know, if you have a
Speaker 1: question about, Hey, Dane, what do you think about this guy,
Speaker 1: the Muhammad kid from Miami. You know it didn't play
Speaker 1: the whole year. Give me some idea what you think
Speaker 1: about the guy? You know, that's your opportunity. We appreciate,
Speaker 1: we want interaction with the fans. We also believe that,
Speaker 1: you know, like we said, it's it's our job to
Speaker 1: try and talk these things through and give you the
Speaker 1: best educated opinion you can have on these players. We're
Speaker 1: also going to have a little opportunity to David Hellman
Speaker 1: has also created a a I don't want to call
Speaker 1: it a game, but a discussion something I think about
Speaker 1: around this time of year. Yeah, and Dave wants to know, Hey,
Speaker 1: we talk about a lot of guys a lot of
Speaker 1: the time. But who the guys were not talking about?
Speaker 1: You know, That's that's I think that's important. I think
Speaker 1: our vocabulary about these players is pretty extensive. You know,
Speaker 1: Danes is a little bit further along than mine, but
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. Well, who are we talking about too much?
Speaker 1: Or too much? Yeah? Yeah, that's the big one for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, the Senior Bowl plays a
Speaker 1: role in that. And sure the media darlings, the guys
Speaker 1: that you knew were going to be big draft picks
Speaker 1: before the football season even ended. And now is the
Speaker 1: time where narrative gets replaced by people watching tape and
Speaker 1: developing opinions and things like that. And we all know
Speaker 1: for a fact scouts are catching up with the draft
Speaker 1: skills somebody we're not talking about. It's gonna be like
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick, it absolutely ends. Yeah, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into that today. If we have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: we'll take some your calls. Numbers are on the screen
Speaker 1: eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven.
Speaker 1: You know, I encourage you. I asked Kent, hey, we
Speaker 1: have any calls, maybe at the end of the show
Speaker 1: we can grab a couple if we have some time.
Speaker 1: But that's a couple of different ways. That's what the
Speaker 1: show is going to be today. So I hope everybody
Speaker 1: will follow along with us in that in that regard,
Speaker 1: and Dana, I do want to talk to you about this,
Speaker 1: And David, I want to talk to you about this
Speaker 1: combined rule. Tell me explain the rule first. You're good
Speaker 1: at explaining things. Explain the rule and explain to me
Speaker 1: why it's hurting NFL clubs and it's hurting players too.
Speaker 1: It is and this new rules it's new this year. Basically,
Speaker 1: once a players invited the combine, they are subject to
Speaker 1: a background check, and if that background check comes back
Speaker 1: with any type of felony or misdemeanor conviction connected to
Speaker 1: a violent crime, sexual assault, domestic balance, that type of thing,
Speaker 1: then that combine invite is rescinded a right. So that
Speaker 1: has affected Chad Kelly, the old miss quarterback. That has
Speaker 1: affected Joe Mixon, from Oklahoma, a few other guys, the
Speaker 1: Baylor wide receivers, Amra Stringfellow, the wide receiver from Old
Speaker 1: miss and a few others. So it's something that is
Speaker 1: keeping guys from going to the combine, and to me,
Speaker 1: it's just it's very counterproductive. You know, the combine is
Speaker 1: a place you know mentioned the medicals. Yes, that's first
Speaker 1: and foremost. Yes, I think a close second is the
Speaker 1: interview process a chance for these teams and coaches to
Speaker 1: get acquainted with players. And I think people they say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they screwed up, you know, they don't get to go. Well,
Speaker 1: the combine is not a reward. It's a job interview.
Speaker 1: It's a job interview. It's a step in that job interview,
Speaker 1: and a job interview is as important for the interviewer
Speaker 1: as it is for the interviewee. You know, absolutely right both.
Speaker 1: So if I'm a company and I'm investing into a person,
Speaker 1: I want to know everything about them. I want to
Speaker 1: be comfortable with them. And we know the NFL will
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have necessary not every team of
Speaker 1: standards in terms of who they'll take on their team.
Speaker 1: And this combines a chance to get to know a
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon better, Chad Kelly, better understand their circumstances, find
Speaker 1: out more about them. Not being at the combines not
Speaker 1: going to sway a team from not drafting them, right,
Speaker 1: So now it forces them to go and get that
Speaker 1: more information elsewhere at the pro day, personal workouts, you know,
Speaker 1: fly them in that type of deal. So it makes
Speaker 1: for a team, It makes my job harder if I'm
Speaker 1: an NFL team. And for a player like Joe Mixon,
Speaker 1: he gets to avoid the media fire store scrutiny of
Speaker 1: it all right, He gets to avoid the speed dating
Speaker 1: interview process at the combine and he still gets to
Speaker 1: work out as pro day. So really it doesn't hurt
Speaker 1: team or the player as much as it hurts the
Speaker 1: NFL teams who are trying to find out as much
Speaker 1: information about these guys. And so I really think this
Speaker 1: is a thinly veiled attempt by the NFL to avoid
Speaker 1: negative pr And people talk about Joe at the Combine, right,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't want the Combine to be dominated
Speaker 1: by a TV event. Yeah, yeah, everything you just said
Speaker 1: I agree with, And at the same time I can
Speaker 1: I can feel the other side of that point. I
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right. The problem is the combine kind
Speaker 1: of has become a reward. I mean that's not the intention, obviously,
Speaker 1: but it's a naturally televised event that does better ratings
Speaker 1: than some other sports like playoffs. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody sits around and watches Rich Eyes and runs the forty.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a thousand media members there, and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to think back that far.
Speaker 1: Byron Jones sets a world record in the broad jump
Speaker 1: and becomes a household name among NFL fans. He was
Speaker 1: not that when he showed up an Indy And so
Speaker 1: you think about that kind of spotlight and it's a
Speaker 1: lot like it's not on the same ol, but it's
Speaker 1: like getting invited to the green room at the Draft.
Speaker 1: It's like for the elite players, they put them on TV.
Speaker 1: They show you running the drills, and it's a TV event.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I agree with everything Dane said. I
Speaker 1: think teams, that's what they're there for. But the NFL
Speaker 1: looks at it as so much more than that because
Speaker 1: of how they've monetized every event on the schedule. I mean,
Speaker 1: every single thing the NFL does is a monetized watch party.
Speaker 1: At this point, so I get their rationale for not
Speaker 1: doing it, but yeah, it's just a pain. It's a
Speaker 1: pain in the butt for these teams because now they
Speaker 1: just have to work that much harder. And to Dane's point,
Speaker 1: it's not going to stop them anyway, right, And the
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon deal, we know the details, you know, we
Speaker 1: know the video, we know everything that's going on. But
Speaker 1: that's not always the case with some of these other players.
Speaker 1: The details aren't well known, and so they need to
Speaker 1: find out their circumstances. They want to find out more
Speaker 1: about the player. Joe Mixon is a player that's been
Speaker 1: a hot button issue for a while and he will
Speaker 1: be the next few months. But for some of these
Speaker 1: other guys, teams need to find out more information about them.
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, is this rule going to really
Speaker 1: prevent anything else from happening? You know, as Joe Mixon
Speaker 1: not do what he did if he understood that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to go to the combine. No, it's
Speaker 1: not going to prevent future things from happening. It's just
Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with with Dave, because it is
Speaker 1: you know, it is an event. That's how the NFL
Speaker 1: looks at it, but I think first and foremost it
Speaker 1: has to be a job interview and they have to
Speaker 1: they're protecting the shield. I get that, but they also
Speaker 1: have to look out for the thirty two clubs and
Speaker 1: realize that they need have a job to do, and
Speaker 1: they're really this rule is hurting them do their job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. And I'll tell you where I disagree with
Speaker 1: you on this. Okay, I disagree about hurting the player
Speaker 1: or that doesn't hurt the play? Does it does? And
Speaker 1: I you know what, you know, I think that the first,
Speaker 1: the first opportunity that these players really have to sit down.
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't have a chance to sit down
Speaker 1: with Joe Mixon at the Senior Bowl. You know, this
Speaker 1: will be this will be a lot of general manager owners,
Speaker 1: you know, those guys that are involved. This will be
Speaker 1: their first opportunity to see these guys, or would have
Speaker 1: been their first opportunity. You know. I think even though
Speaker 1: it's a fifteen minute, like you say, speed dating, I
Speaker 1: think that that that type of the type of relationship
Speaker 1: that that first one meeting can get an owner to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm comfortable with this kid. I'd like
Speaker 1: to bring him back when we have our thirty visits,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're gonna be people. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon off the board, and maybe they have it
Speaker 1: off him off the board right now because of what
Speaker 1: they believe. But I also believe that you also need
Speaker 1: to hear Joe mixon side of the story too, and
Speaker 1: maybe that Joe Mixon goes from being a guy that's
Speaker 1: off a board or chat keller or whoever is not
Speaker 1: getting to come to the combine. I believe that they
Speaker 1: deserve that right to explain their side of the story
Speaker 1: and let somebody have the opportunity to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I still don't feel comfortable with them. I don't want
Speaker 1: anything to do with this guy. You might recall our
Speaker 1: guy Jeremy Hill. A few years ago. I had a
Speaker 1: chance to own up for all of his off field stuff.
Speaker 1: He wrote a letter to like every his GM and
Speaker 1: coach in the league. And yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: make I don't know, feel how you want to feel.
Speaker 1: Make your own judgments, but I mean none of this, yeah,
Speaker 1: none of this is going to stop teams from looking
Speaker 1: into mixing. So I mean, you would want him to
Speaker 1: have the chance to talk to his future employers. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. It does hurt him not to
Speaker 1: just have first of all that first impression, second of
Speaker 1: all that access to everybody, because now you got to
Speaker 1: go to Norman to get or wherever he is Phoenix,
Speaker 1: you know, right, Yeah, And it means infer that it
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, it doesn't hurt the player, because it does.
Speaker 1: You know, it's an opportunity to put your best foot
Speaker 1: forward and you know, show yourself both you know, not
Speaker 1: only just in the athletic drules, but in the interview process.
Speaker 1: I just meant it. It hurts teams more than it
Speaker 1: hurts the players in my opinion, you know, because the
Speaker 1: teams have to do a little bit more work now,
Speaker 1: where the player still has opportunities to show, you know,
Speaker 1: a pro days and different things like that. You know,
Speaker 1: teams are still thirty to thirty two, teams will still
Speaker 1: be at Oklahoma's Pro Day. So I think it hurts
Speaker 1: teams more than it hurts the player. But it still
Speaker 1: does hurt the player. No question. Would you like the
Speaker 1: opportunity to ask Joe Mixon questions at the combine? Of course,
Speaker 1: absolutely you want to. I mean, if you want, if
Speaker 1: you want to be. Is that a missed opportunity for
Speaker 1: us in the media as well to get to know
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon a little bit better? I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And honestly, you can. I mean we're all we're all
Speaker 1: pointing the finger at him. Yeah. Where it's a horrible video,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. You know what, And with how
Speaker 1: little Mixon has been in the public eye and really
Speaker 1: been available for comment during this whole thing, I really
Speaker 1: think the media would take this opportunity. You think back
Speaker 1: to when Oklahoma was in the playoffs a couple of
Speaker 1: two seasons ago. They didn't make him available at all,
Speaker 1: didn't want him to talk about it. And he doesn't
Speaker 1: have those restrictions now, and I you know, I think
Speaker 1: college football writers, I think the media in general would
Speaker 1: make it a point to kind of grill him basically.
Speaker 1: And I think it would be lead to see how
Speaker 1: you'd handle it. And the Combine has these guys every year,
Speaker 1: Combines pressure. A couple of years ago, I remember man
Speaker 1: Ti Teo that was right out that situation. He had
Speaker 1: to go up to the to the podium and you know,
Speaker 1: face the firing storm, and that's something that uh, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a guy every year like that. And you know
Speaker 1: Noah spense to an extent last year, last year, right,
Speaker 1: another one. Um, so yeah, there's he would have mixed.
Speaker 1: It would have been that guy this year where you
Speaker 1: hear his name calling and all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: see a flood of media storming towards the podium. So
Speaker 1: we won't get that opportunity. Who knows if he'll be
Speaker 1: available at the Pro day or how that'll be handled
Speaker 1: by his agent, And so yeah, it's I think bottom
Speaker 1: line with this rule is I don't really believe in
Speaker 1: the intent of the rule. Um. I think it makes
Speaker 1: the jobs harder for all thirty two teams. And I
Speaker 1: think you know there that's nothing new for the NFL.
Speaker 1: By the way, several teams that agree. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: and I tell, okay, talk the discussions you've had right
Speaker 1: with teams. You know, the discussions you have, and I
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you and I know a lot
Speaker 1: of the same guys. I mean I've been around a
Speaker 1: lot longer, so I know a few more guys than you.
Speaker 1: But but what's the what's your what's the team's reaction been?
Speaker 1: We talked about what our reaction is, what's the team's
Speaker 1: reaction to this, and when I talk to teams about
Speaker 1: who it isn't at the combine, a lot of times
Speaker 1: I get the response good because that you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: we're hiding him. You know, there's a player from southwest
Speaker 1: Louisiana that no one really knows about or you know,
Speaker 1: only four teams the coach told me only four teams
Speaker 1: went through there this fall. You know, he's kind of hidden.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be at the combine. That's good. We
Speaker 1: might have a you know, a chance to get him late.
Speaker 1: Uh So most cases that's how those conversations go, but
Speaker 1: this is completely different because you know, they want to
Speaker 1: know more about the player. They want to find out
Speaker 1: more information, and you know, I I this makes their
Speaker 1: job harder, and they absolutely agree. Yeah, I just stn't.
Speaker 1: Like I said, the NFL has made the league off.
Speaker 1: It's knows to train schedule to Connecticut. They just don't
Speaker 1: know what goes on here at the club level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every day, And I think that's a big I think
Speaker 1: that's really a big issue here we speak. I feel
Speaker 1: confident saying I'm speaking for like the silent majority of
Speaker 1: team personnel employees who I mean the NFL does their
Speaker 1: best to not make it about football. That's fair. I
Speaker 1: mean all across the board. Like I said, everything's monetized,
Speaker 1: everything's televised. Everything is done with the intent of making
Speaker 1: money and generating viewers more so than I never believed.
Speaker 1: I've said this before, I never believed sitting there in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two that they would ever have the combine
Speaker 1: on television. I never always thought, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: and talking about Dave, you said thousand you know media people.
Speaker 1: I remember when there was like eight Remember a guy
Speaker 1: like Rick Goslin by the way, happy birthday Goose if
Speaker 1: you're listening to that birthday. Yeah, and he was one
Speaker 1: of the eight guys. And it was that that was
Speaker 1: the way it was. But I it is, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a big it's a big deal. Now. The Draft
Speaker 1: is a huge business. You can tell by the numbers
Speaker 1: that you know, the reach that we have here on
Speaker 1: the Draft show. I can't I still can't wrap my
Speaker 1: head around the fact that the first round of the
Speaker 1: Draft is a primetime event instead of just you know,
Speaker 1: Saturday morning to Saturday night and then Sunday morning. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's the draft is a special thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: we've all we've all learned that we were living that
Speaker 1: right now, clearly living that. And I just I just
Speaker 1: feel I feel badly. I feel badly for the players.
Speaker 1: You know, the teams. You get around it, the teams
Speaker 1: get around it, still bad for the players. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go far enough as to say I feel badly
Speaker 1: well because the players put them in the self in
Speaker 1: this position. On one hand, yes, you put yourself on
Speaker 1: this position. On the other hand, like I just, we
Speaker 1: all make mistakes. I know for a fact, it's not
Speaker 1: going to affect anything like it's going to be a
Speaker 1: little bit harder for these clubs to get the information
Speaker 1: they want. It's not it's not Joe Mixon's getting drafted,
Speaker 1: regardless of whether he's at the combine. If he doesn't
Speaker 1: get draft that I'll be stunned. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: so you're okay with the rule. I think the rule
Speaker 1: is disingenuous, but I'm not going to lose any sleep
Speaker 1: over it, I guess, is what I'm saying. That's fair.
Speaker 1: And I do think Brian did mention something interesting about
Speaker 1: you know, if a player like Joe Mixon wasn't really
Speaker 1: on the board or we you know, a team goes
Speaker 1: into the combine thinking we're not going to draft this
Speaker 1: guy and I talked to him. But after you talk
Speaker 1: to him, yeah, you know what, Okay, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: that interview went a little different than we thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and kids, maybe the kids can be honest
Speaker 1: about what happened. Okay, but this is sorry, Dane. Instead
Speaker 1: of just sending an area scout to the pro day, sure,
Speaker 1: maybe you also send the director of scouting. Absolutely, just
Speaker 1: you never know what an opportunity like the combine could trigger.
Speaker 1: So I do agree that it's disingenuous. I do agree
Speaker 1: that it's probably not going to change anything. But I
Speaker 1: do think there is that a little bit of a
Speaker 1: chance that maybe it could, you know, maybe another team
Speaker 1: could be in the mix for a Joe Mixon because
Speaker 1: of the combine. You have all your personnel there, you have,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's owners involved, there's general managers involved, there's
Speaker 1: directors of college scouting and pro scouting. There's guys involved here.
Speaker 1: This is the NFL, like they're gonna I heard Jim
Speaker 1: Garrett say that one time about Randy Moss, and I'm well,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking Well, yes, and he was absolutely right.
Speaker 1: It's not the boy scouts at the NFL. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, if you can play, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But my point is, like we're talking about a billion
Speaker 1: upon billion dollar industry, Like these guys are going to
Speaker 1: do what they need to do to turn over every stone.
Speaker 1: If they got to fly a few more people to
Speaker 1: Norman for Pro Day because of that, or to have
Speaker 1: a private workout, I mean, how many how many workouts
Speaker 1: do these guys have with teams and coaches that are
Speaker 1: not widely publicized. Yeah, oh no, absolutely, that's and you're
Speaker 1: right about They will get the job done. It will
Speaker 1: be a little more inconvenient because you can't just knock
Speaker 1: it all out of the combine maybe being selfish them
Speaker 1: because I don't get to ask Joe Mixon question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's a loss for us because he's
Speaker 1: one of the most polarizing and interesting second best back
Speaker 1: on my board. Yeah, agree me too, he I'd like
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, here's the last thing I'll say about this,
Speaker 1: but with Joe Mixon, he's not going to be drafted
Speaker 1: based on what a scout thinks or even the director
Speaker 1: of scouting. He's going to be drafted based on what
Speaker 1: the general manager thing. Maybe that's why Brown, maybe that's
Speaker 1: why Brian's harping on this so much, because he knows
Speaker 1: that he works for a team that has a lot
Speaker 1: of leeway in the draft process. Well. And but that's
Speaker 1: going back to what Brian said about if Joe Mixon's
Speaker 1: in that room, because if he if you know, there's
Speaker 1: no guarantee that a general manager will go to the
Speaker 1: Pro Day and he'll you know, yeah, So if Joe
Speaker 1: Mixon is getting drafted by your team, he needs to
Speaker 1: be signed off by the general manager, and his only
Speaker 1: FaceTime with certain general managers might only be at the Combine.
Speaker 1: So it's it's really an interest interesting wrinkle to the
Speaker 1: Combine this year and how it's going to fully value
Speaker 1: or a fully play out throughout the draft process. One
Speaker 1: and done. I will I don't know who knows I
Speaker 1: say it. I think NFL teams are gonna gonna complain
Speaker 1: like heck, oh sure yeah, because it's gonna make their
Speaker 1: job harder. And I think you know it's not it's
Speaker 1: not worth it, uh, you know, the Combines's job interview.
Speaker 1: And I think that's how it should be looked at
Speaker 1: but it's also a TV event, and the NFL protects
Speaker 1: the shield at all costs, so you never know. The
Speaker 1: NFL is too powerful and too stubborn to retract a
Speaker 1: rule after one year. I bet you it'll it will
Speaker 1: deal with this for two or three years, and then
Speaker 1: they'll quietly get rid of it. That would be my gues.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask that question to Stephen Jones on Tuesday
Speaker 1: when we get there at that Competition Committee meeting. Get
Speaker 1: after it. That's what the Hey, there's guys and they're
Speaker 1: like Ozzy Knewsome people like that, you know, the general
Speaker 1: manager type guys. I'm with him, though, I mean, they
Speaker 1: don't don't don't keep me from doing my job. And
Speaker 1: you're right, day, Well, we'll waste money to fly all
Speaker 1: over the world. You're absolutely right about that. Does Joe
Speaker 1: Mixon get picked before one thirty five the DAK pick? Yes,
Speaker 1: I think so. I agree with both of you, which
Speaker 1: is again, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this.
Speaker 1: Like it's it is what it is. Yeah, now he
Speaker 1: might he might go higher. He should go higher if
Speaker 1: you're just basing on ability, But I can't talk to
Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, well, you know I have to fly. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm mad about this. You can't talk to the guy,
Speaker 1: but the people who will, Oh, sure, but I'm mad.
Speaker 1: I'm mad because I want to learn about this guy.
Speaker 1: I know it's a bad situation, but I want to learn.
Speaker 1: The film is damn good. Oh yeah, film is damn great.
Speaker 1: Depends depends on what film you're talking. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: very good point. You you get flashes of Levion Bell
Speaker 1: watching him. Yeah, that's he's that type of back. One
Speaker 1: thing I did want to mention with, you know, with
Speaker 1: the combine list coming out, Um, just because the players
Speaker 1: not on the list, you know, the three of those
Speaker 1: numbers again, doesn't mean he's not gonna be there. Last year,
Speaker 1: there were two hundred and fifty three draft picks, thirty
Speaker 1: eight were non combined guys, So fifteen percent of the
Speaker 1: tighter the total draft pool last year who were drafted
Speaker 1: did not go to the combine who there were omissions
Speaker 1: and oversights, so it doesn't mean anything. And then on
Speaker 1: the flip side, three hundred and thirty two players were
Speaker 1: invited last year, one hundred and seventeen Combine guys went undrafted.
Speaker 1: So just because you do get a combined invite doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that you're going to get drafted. Over one hundred
Speaker 1: will go undrafted this year if we're doing too many
Speaker 1: favors for programs. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, getting
Speaker 1: guys in that probably aren't deserving of being in the combine.
Speaker 1: National they do things their way, NFS, they invite who
Speaker 1: they want, They take a little bit of input from outside.
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe they need to listen a little more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love when Dane throws shade. Oh it's all right
Speaker 1: in my book. All right, Hey, when we come back,
Speaker 1: good discussion about that. Next week, we'll get into the
Speaker 1: guys that are there at the combine, the guys that
Speaker 1: aren't at the combine, because we'll just be a few
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Speaker 1: from Florida. I want to try to go rapid fire today.
Speaker 1: Get these questions in. Yeah, and that's at the Draft show.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about the Miles Garrett video.
Speaker 1: It's a week old at this point. We don't need
Speaker 1: to do that. But Wayne wants to know right there,
Speaker 1: bro Realistically, I see the pain in Dane's eyes. Realistically,
Speaker 1: Wayne says, who is a guy or is there a
Speaker 1: guy that could slip down into the mid range of
Speaker 1: the draft and prompt you to want to go get him?
Speaker 1: I think Derek Barnett is the guy that I would
Speaker 1: point to. He's a Jason Garrett kind of guy. Um,
Speaker 1: and these passed rushers are gonna fly off the board.
Speaker 1: And if you're sitting there at twenty eight and you
Speaker 1: don't think that your guy's going to get there, maybe
Speaker 1: you don't like Charles Harris as much, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you're not as come for both the guys that will
Speaker 1: be available in the late first round you want. You
Speaker 1: really like Derek Barnett. You want to go get him,
Speaker 1: trade up into the somewhere in the teens. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see that happening. I don't disagree with you there
Speaker 1: on that because I'm thinking that everybody else that defensive
Speaker 1: in spot could fault to you. And I'm talking about McKinley, Lawson, Harris,
Speaker 1: those guys. I think the guys that are gonna go
Speaker 1: off early are Garrett Thomas. You're right about Barnett. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think people are gonna fall
Speaker 1: in love with him. You like any of those corners?
Speaker 1: Would you go after any one of those corners? I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Lattimore is gonna fall No Tabor.
Speaker 1: You know, I like Tabor quite a bit. He's not
Speaker 1: a guy I'm gonna trade up for this corner classy
Speaker 1: so deep. It's deep, you don't have to move. You
Speaker 1: can't justify trading up for a corner because I just
Speaker 1: feel great about a guy I like being there, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't feel that way about past in corners
Speaker 1: deep first and second round. I think pass rushers deep
Speaker 1: at certain pockets. You know, once those first round pass
Speaker 1: rushers are wiped out, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable reaching on another guy, So whereat with Corner.
Speaker 1: I think there's more options. It's a very strong defensive
Speaker 1: end class. But in terms of depth in the first rounds,
Speaker 1: I feel better about Corner. You see either one of
Speaker 1: those safeties dropping. You see Adams or Hooker because of injury.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a shot with Hooker because of the injuries,
Speaker 1: he won't work out before the combine. That could be
Speaker 1: an issue with some teams. But and that's one of
Speaker 1: my latest mock draft. I have Hooker falling to the
Speaker 1: Browns at twelve. I couldn't see him falling far further
Speaker 1: than that. That's kind of the floor for him, even
Speaker 1: with you. As long as there's no long term effects
Speaker 1: with the hernius surgery, the laborum As long as there's
Speaker 1: no long term effects, I don't think Cooker's gonna fall
Speaker 1: fall start good question, real good draft NERD question right here?
Speaker 1: Well that was but here, Nick, this is a Dane
Speaker 1: Brugler special. Right here. Nick says, Chris Godwin, Zay Jones,
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, Isaiah Ford, rank them Ford, Juju, and
Speaker 1: then I have Godwin and Zay pretty close, but they're
Speaker 1: very I mean, I think they're very on a similar well,
Speaker 1: I've got to see I've got a two three on Fod.
Speaker 1: I think he could be off the board in the
Speaker 1: second round. Yeah, Juju have more of a third or
Speaker 1: maybe even a fourth third because of the speed. Probably
Speaker 1: right right, he just doesn't have it. He's not going
Speaker 1: to consistently separate. You might have to keep him in
Speaker 1: the slot. And I like Godwin and Zay quite a bit,
Speaker 1: but I don't love them. I think they're both in
Speaker 1: that three four range. So Ford, I think is a
Speaker 1: clear cut one there for me. Then probably Juju as
Speaker 1: a three. And then you know, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people like Zay Jones. Yeah, I don't see the
Speaker 1: first or second round talk. I see more of a
Speaker 1: third or fourth round guy. Same thing with Godwin. I'm
Speaker 1: the same. I have Godwin actually in the second If
Speaker 1: you asked me to rank him, I would go Godwin, Ford, Shuster,
Speaker 1: and Jones. That's how I would rank them. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got him more than I do, but I do.
Speaker 1: I like the big body. I liked it. I like
Speaker 1: the locker and yeah, and he covers some ground. I
Speaker 1: like his toughness, like the fact he plays in cold weather,
Speaker 1: not that he has to play, but you do play
Speaker 1: in cold weather games, you know, late in the year
Speaker 1: here with or Washington to Philly giant stuff. You got
Speaker 1: to be able to go make plays. This wide receiver
Speaker 1: class is really in that top one hundred. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really interesting. It's gonna be kind of a you know,
Speaker 1: what kind of type of receiver do you want? And
Speaker 1: you know there's not gonna be any type of consensus
Speaker 1: on these guys. No, Like the defensive ends fascinating, Brian,
Speaker 1: this one's this one's up your alley. It's from Eric,
Speaker 1: Like Yuric, I know how much you hate the fact
Speaker 1: that they don't have a fifth round pick. I hate that.
Speaker 1: What and we just talked about the first but just
Speaker 1: in general where I mean, is there a spot where
Speaker 1: you feel good about the odds of moving maybe back
Speaker 1: to get more picks or up for that matter. I
Speaker 1: don't want to give up. I know people hate when
Speaker 1: I say this. I don't want to give up the
Speaker 1: fifth year option because that just helps you in the
Speaker 1: long run. Yep, it just helps you sit there at
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Now, if you're sitting there and we don't
Speaker 1: have the numbers, but somebody be smart and do the
Speaker 1: math for me. Just add thirty one basically to the
Speaker 1: twenty eight and what do you get fifty nine? I
Speaker 1: did that in my head. Yeah, yeah, lsu lsu guys.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, and so I'm sitting there thinking though
Speaker 1: that would you move back in the second round to
Speaker 1: pick up maybe you grab somebody's early third and grab
Speaker 1: somebody's fifth that way. I kind of that that's kind
Speaker 1: of a spot I would, I think though. But Dane
Speaker 1: is right, and I think we're all kind of seeing
Speaker 1: the way this drap. Maybe that second round pick is
Speaker 1: gonna have some huge value to it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: as far as a player that you really really want,
Speaker 1: you know that, that's where I think you have to
Speaker 1: be careful of saying, Okay, I'm gonna plan. I went
Speaker 1: back and did a study of Bill Walsh's the Draft,
Speaker 1: where he would he kept going back in nineteen eighty six, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where he took Roberts from Alabama, the defense, he kept
Speaker 1: going back. He went back, he went back. His initial
Speaker 1: plan wasn't to go back. His initial plan was a
Speaker 1: draft like guys like John L. Williams and that crew,
Speaker 1: and those guys went off the board ahead of him,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he got a call
Speaker 1: and he just and the players just kept falling. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, you got a call from the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and so he just kept getting calls because the players
Speaker 1: on the board. And eventually Debartlos said, you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna pick a player. You know you're just gonna be
Speaker 1: But that's the way you kind of collect picks. Somebody
Speaker 1: has to be on the board that you really that
Speaker 1: they really really cover it, and maybe on the back
Speaker 1: end of that second round, but maybe there might be
Speaker 1: a guy that you covered as well, So you have
Speaker 1: to be a little careful by that. I think one
Speaker 1: thing to say about that late first round pick, um
Speaker 1: that fifth year option is valuable. It doesn't have some value,
Speaker 1: but it also has some value in trade discussions, right,
Speaker 1: And so you know a team picking in the early
Speaker 1: second round that WAPs it up in that late first
Speaker 1: to get that fifth year option, Oh, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to give me something to come get that pick. So
Speaker 1: that's why I think you can't run now. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we talk about if a Deshaun Watson or somebody,
Speaker 1: if a quarterback basically kind of pulls a Teddy Bridgewater right,
Speaker 1: he's there where he's not supposed to be. Maybe you
Speaker 1: could fleece somebody. I'd I'd give up the fifth year
Speaker 1: option if somebody was willing to overpay the crap out
Speaker 1: of me, like a next year's one, next year's one,
Speaker 1: or maybe much. I don't think you're gonna get that,
Speaker 1: but maybe if I mean another two, if it's a
Speaker 1: quarterback like David's talking about, maybe I would do it.
Speaker 1: I would probably do it for I don't think any
Speaker 1: team's gonna give up an extra one to move up
Speaker 1: five spots. Don't kill my dream team. But I think
Speaker 1: a team with two two's, you maybe pick up a
Speaker 1: two and a three. I mean, I think that you're
Speaker 1: gonna hold somebody up for that pick though you're gonna
Speaker 1: hold somebody up for that twenty eight. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it. What's your what's your level of tolerance?
Speaker 1: It depends who's there, who's available for me? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it depends what my board looks like. Im I wiped out?
Speaker 1: Are there plenty of guys that I want? You know,
Speaker 1: is we might have some guys? Yeah, exact my defensive end.
Speaker 1: That's what will ultimately make the decision for me. Do
Speaker 1: I feel better with this player or do I feel
Speaker 1: better passing on these guys available and picking up you know,
Speaker 1: maybe X and X down the road. So check the
Speaker 1: teams out when you get the numbers, check the teams
Speaker 1: out with multiple picks. That's that's where you're kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, because you really don't want to do next
Speaker 1: year's one or next year's picks. You know you really don't,
Speaker 1: but you because you want to pick in this draft,
Speaker 1: especially with the depth that it has. I know the
Speaker 1: Titans have some picks, but they don't need a quarterback,
Speaker 1: which bums me out. But okay, here's one from Chris's
Speaker 1: kind of Cowboys centric. But we talk a lot about
Speaker 1: tight end for this team. Um, he wants to know
Speaker 1: is that premature given that you've got Witten, Hannah and
Speaker 1: swam here and you also got Ricoll. I mean, are
Speaker 1: we making too much of the potential need for a
Speaker 1: tight end? That was a mail back question this morning. Oh,
Speaker 1: because we're talking about Jeff Swains. What I get for
Speaker 1: taking the morning off to move? Yeah, and it to
Speaker 1: me it you know, you have to it depending on
Speaker 1: the tight end at that position though, I mean not
Speaker 1: that position, but that who the tight end is because
Speaker 1: this thing is gonna there's gonna be some tight ends
Speaker 1: in this draft, you know, I mean, you take that
Speaker 1: second round pick where you're time had to talk about
Speaker 1: but or somebody like, I mean, this team's famous for
Speaker 1: stashing the taking the hurt guy and then moving on
Speaker 1: from there. Well, let's talk about these tight ends for
Speaker 1: a second. I mean, is is Hannah you know? Can
Speaker 1: you trust him to be health? Yeah? That's the big
Speaker 1: Can you trust him to be a reliable number two
Speaker 1: tight end? If the question was asked, could Swain be
Speaker 1: a guy that Swain is a blocker developed. He's never
Speaker 1: gonna be the physical specimen of Jason Witten, right, but
Speaker 1: he does have to down the field skills, he can
Speaker 1: catch the football and he and when they did use
Speaker 1: him as a blocker through the first twelve weeks of
Speaker 1: this season, it's pretty the first to Cleveland, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, yeah, Week ten, yeah, week ten, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Jason Witten's entering what age thirty five season, and I
Speaker 1: don't see a number two tight end on this roster.
Speaker 1: I don't I And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if you get one of the better guys or a
Speaker 1: better guy. I don't think that Hannah or Swaim is
Speaker 1: a or Gathers is enough to stop you from doing
Speaker 1: that if it really seems like the best option. And
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, Gathers is a wild card because we
Speaker 1: haven't seen him. I mean, maybe you guys have seen
Speaker 1: him in proc. I know, I know that. I know
Speaker 1: this for a fact. I know talking to some folks
Speaker 1: about him. He was one of Tony Romo's favorite targets
Speaker 1: on the Scout team. He'd be my favorite two if
Speaker 1: he was that big. He wore he just wore them
Speaker 1: out throwing. Romo wore him, wore them out throwing the
Speaker 1: football to him. So we'll see. That would be exciting.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Here's here's one from d Ware. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's that d Ware, but a little Ohio State action.
Speaker 1: Tell me. Tell me about Curtis Samuel Dane fit and Grade.
Speaker 1: He's the East Coast Christian McCaffrey. He can do a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything for you. You want to line
Speaker 1: him with the backfield, put him out in the slot.
Speaker 1: He's actually listed as a wide receiver on the Combine roster,
Speaker 1: which I great him as a running back too. He
Speaker 1: averaged seven point nine yards per carry over his career,
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to take him out of the
Speaker 1: back field. But I think the moment you label him
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver or a running back, I think
Speaker 1: you're missing the point. I mean, he's both. He can
Speaker 1: do everything that you want either of those positions to do.
Speaker 1: Out of the slot, out of the backfield really explosive.
Speaker 1: He's basically in a more explosive version of theoretic it
Speaker 1: does an exceptional job with the Lions as a receiver
Speaker 1: out of the backfield like that. So I think Curtis
Speaker 1: Samuel Christian McAffrey probably need to give him in the
Speaker 1: first round. Curtis Samuel is the guy you get in
Speaker 1: the second round if you miss out on McCaffrey. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually had a third round grade on him, but
Speaker 1: I created him as a running back, and I have
Speaker 1: McCaffrey ahead of him. No, I do, because I think
Speaker 1: that there's really more you can do. But you're right,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: far off comparison at all. I will the thing I liked.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was smooth running routes. That's I
Speaker 1: mean when I watched him. He looked like a running
Speaker 1: back trying to run routes. Right, That's where I was thinking, well,
Speaker 1: how do I develop that? And then and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they hand him the ball in the backfield
Speaker 1: and I'm running, watch him hit the corner, run over,
Speaker 1: somebody make a cut. I'm like, wait, why he's not
Speaker 1: Why is he not a running back? He's the best
Speaker 1: player on that Hart State offens this past year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the best player and center. You hate the center.
Speaker 1: I know they didn't give him the ball enough. I mean,
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, if they gave him the high volume touches
Speaker 1: of a Christian McCaffrey, he would have been in the
Speaker 1: Heisman discussion. I really believe that he's that type of talent. So, no,
Speaker 1: he's not being a homer. Samuel is a top fifty
Speaker 1: pick in his draft. If you want to get Curtis Sammy,
Speaker 1: you better have a top fifty pick. Follow me on this, Well,
Speaker 1: it won't matter if that's the case. But if you
Speaker 1: had him, you had him cleaned, You had him clean
Speaker 1: two yes, clean, too clean too. Everything you're saying and
Speaker 1: everything I've seen him him with my own eyes tells
Speaker 1: me great player. I don't know what the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: do with him. Yeah, that's fair. I mean he's not
Speaker 1: replacing Terrence Williams. He's not that guy. Nou and you
Speaker 1: have Zeke and you can I mean, you can get
Speaker 1: another Lance Dunbar with less than a top fifty pick. Right,
Speaker 1: you have a you have a backups. They if they
Speaker 1: totally win another direction with running backs, if they totally
Speaker 1: just got rid of every every they didn't sign back
Speaker 1: McFadden Morris, they moved on from who would you want
Speaker 1: to be the backup running back to Ezekiel Eliot out
Speaker 1: of this draft Joe Mixon. Ah, oh, it would love you, man.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me. I really really wouldn't. I really do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go that down that rabbit hole again.
Speaker 1: But you know we're not. I won't make you do that.
Speaker 1: I answer the question. If you can get him in
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round, you know, God, I love that.
Speaker 1: Just give me, give me Darren McFadden on a very
Speaker 1: cheap deal, and then draft me another Darius Jackson in
Speaker 1: like this. By the way, the scouts are still miffed
Speaker 1: by that Darius Jackson did. They should be scouts are
Speaker 1: miffed when especially they look at their free agent lists
Speaker 1: now and the players they could have moved on from,
Speaker 1: especially if they're not going to bring back. Correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong that they did that for Randy Gregory.
Speaker 1: They got rid of him to put Randy back on
Speaker 1: the roster, right, Yeah, and he was around for two
Speaker 1: weeks and now he's gone for you year. I hate
Speaker 1: it so much, Um, Mike, how about one more Dave
Speaker 1: if you got it? Okay, Uh, it's too soon to
Speaker 1: talk about Tim Williams, right, we don't know anything more
Speaker 1: about him. Tim Williams is working out here in Dallas
Speaker 1: when I understand, Oh yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I think
Speaker 1: you sit to Michael Johnson speed school. Yeah yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shelve him because we just we've talked about him before.
Speaker 1: We don't have any new information to share. Sorry, justin
Speaker 1: ask again at the combine one of the better better
Speaker 1: pass rushers defensive end Alabama been talent, Yeah, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. And we will learn about why he's probably
Speaker 1: not going to go in the top ten in the
Speaker 1: coming weeks. I was speaking of Gregory, yeah, exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: I get to ask him some questions well, all right, well,
Speaker 1: well I'll just ask it. I mean, it's it's tough,
Speaker 1: I know, but Tim Williams. Yeah, and then you got
Speaker 1: your Joe mix it. I mean, which one of those
Speaker 1: scares you less? Basically is what mix? Well? And right
Speaker 1: now there's more unknown and that's I feel. It's make
Speaker 1: sure it's three years removed or going on three years
Speaker 1: right now from what happened. But we don't even have
Speaker 1: a full picture on what we're scared of with Tim Williams. Correct.
Speaker 1: All I know is scared of what we just saw
Speaker 1: happen to this team for the last two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and with Tim Williams, there's where there's smoke, there's fire,
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of smoke. You can go
Speaker 1: back to when he was recruited. He went to high
Speaker 1: school in the LSU campus and LSU backed off and
Speaker 1: they said, I don't really know if we want this
Speaker 1: guy Alabama's I covered Tim Williams recruitment. I was like
Speaker 1: one of the first reporters to kind of get to
Speaker 1: know him when he started getting offers. So would you
Speaker 1: think I thought it was weird that a kid who
Speaker 1: grew up in the shadow of LSU's stadium literally, Wow,
Speaker 1: the University High Yeah, University High on campus. Wow. And
Speaker 1: I mean nice guy, but that was five six years ago.
Speaker 1: There's a pass rusher though. Yeah, but there's just a
Speaker 1: lot we don't know. Why did he only play x
Speaker 1: amount of I mean he only played like he was
Speaker 1: under thirty snaps a game as a senior. Yeah, under
Speaker 1: thirty snaps a game. Didn't like the rotation in Alabama? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I think he does okay against a run.
Speaker 1: He's not terrible. Yeah, but why is he only playing
Speaker 1: under you know, is it an intelligence issue? Can he
Speaker 1: not handle the responsibilities? I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that we need to figure out. What Tim Williams Uh,
Speaker 1: it really makes his draft stock really volatile. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: say what And to your point, Mixon's got the worst,
Speaker 1: most horrible baggage of anybody in this draft that we
Speaker 1: got a video. And yet you're saying, you know, one time,
Speaker 1: isolated incident long enough, long ago enough that it doesn't
Speaker 1: bother you, it bothers me what happened. But I think
Speaker 1: that I think that he's paid his time for this
Speaker 1: and now he's gonna have to interview for a job.
Speaker 1: And that's what everybody's going to bring up on him.
Speaker 1: I think I think that is a I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a decent discussion. Is you know, oh, we won't get
Speaker 1: there again. No, I'm ji, But for all we know,
Speaker 1: Mixon will never be in trouble again. I mean, he
Speaker 1: hasn't had an issue since then, Whereas I think I
Speaker 1: think that liner issue. But yeah, I think that's the
Speaker 1: I think that's the I think that's the thing that
Speaker 1: will haunt him. But as long as he played. But
Speaker 1: and he will be a PR nightmare for whoever takes
Speaker 1: him on, or Tim Williams, who seems like a significantly
Speaker 1: less of a PR nightmare. But you could wind up
Speaker 1: in another Randy Gregory situation where you don't even I
Speaker 1: don't need to go down that road again. Just this kid,
Speaker 1: from what I understand, can't stop. I'm glad that I
Speaker 1: don't have to make these types of decision. Yes, thanks
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Speaker 1: Showy back here at the SWBC Morgan Studios with the
Speaker 1: Draft Show, and thanks to everybody out there that has
Speaker 1: been listening to our podcasts. You know, this opportunity we have.
Speaker 1: We love doing this every week. It's something that I
Speaker 1: really look forward to on. David and Dane look forward
Speaker 1: to it as well. The interaction we have with the fans,
Speaker 1: and you know, we just appreciate everything you guys do
Speaker 1: for us, the Twitter questions back and forth. It makes
Speaker 1: our job a lot of fun too, and so highlight
Speaker 1: of my week. Ye first, but again, thank you very
Speaker 1: much for going on. And even I go and read
Speaker 1: the comments and stuff too. If you put comments on
Speaker 1: the podcast, you get it that way. I go back
Speaker 1: and read all that stuff. And you know, we'll try
Speaker 1: and make this thing better anyway we can so you
Speaker 1: guys can enjoy it. So all right, David, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give the last fifteen minutes of the show to you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you tell us exactly what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do with this. So and you know, we always say
Speaker 1: the draft process is incredibly fluid. It changes, the names
Speaker 1: rise and the names fall, and we're not talking about
Speaker 1: somebody that we will be talking about in a month
Speaker 1: and a half after we get back from the combine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those deals or we're talking a lot about
Speaker 1: somebody we won't be talking about r I'll it's burned
Speaker 1: into my brain. Braxton Miller was a great example of this.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point, and I mean that's no disrespect
Speaker 1: to him. He was still a high draft pick, but
Speaker 1: you know it probably talked about him too much. Other
Speaker 1: receiver Les Yeah, yeah, I want to know y'all watch
Speaker 1: the film, y'all are the nerds we you know, sitting
Speaker 1: here heading into the combine? And I got a few
Speaker 1: positions in mind, specifically tailored for the cowboys obviously. Who who?
Speaker 1: Who's getting too much hype right now? Who are we
Speaker 1: talking too much about it? Like right, I just wrote
Speaker 1: down Dane, said Barnett a minute ago. The Tennessee defensive
Speaker 1: end Charles Harris is a guy that we're hearing a
Speaker 1: lot about these days. Tack McKinley. Tack McKinley is Lawson,
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson. Yes, absolutely, so we know that. Who Who
Speaker 1: were we not talking about that? Y'all think maybe we
Speaker 1: should be specifically when it comes to pass Rusher, Well,
Speaker 1: kind of twist us for a second. I think we
Speaker 1: might be talking too much about tack McKinley because he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be an option at twenty eighth. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think he might be able to. We might
Speaker 1: see a Vic Beasley type of rise after injury at all.
Speaker 1: And okay, we'll say from the combine, but I think
Speaker 1: the combine McKinley is gonna run a four or five. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. I think, yeah, ten yards split's gonna be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Stand that's actually a good point. So maybe in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things, we're not talking about him enough
Speaker 1: because people are talking about him as an option for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and he could go way high. Right, we're
Speaker 1: talking too much about him as an option for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: not enough as a top fifteen, top twenty type guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know the Falcons took Vic Beasley in a top
Speaker 1: ten and was looked at as a while. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, with his sack production this year, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it proved to be an okay pick, and
Speaker 1: I think Tach McKinley could be in a similar type
Speaker 1: of type of thing with He's gonna test really well,
Speaker 1: he's a very good athlete. Uh, he could end up
Speaker 1: going a lot higher than you know, we were talking
Speaker 1: about now and not even sniff the twenties, let alone
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at twenty eight. Yeah, I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: that at all. I think that to me, he's a
Speaker 1: guy everybody's I've always kind of thought of him being
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, because even more now with the injury,
Speaker 1: I thought about that, the injury is the wiy but
Speaker 1: and then and then Lawson, I kind of thought he
Speaker 1: was always going to be that guy too at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: So I can understand, especially when people put him in
Speaker 1: these mock drafts. You know, that's the question I always get, Oh,
Speaker 1: is this a good guy? You know? Is this you know? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is a good guy. I mean that's yes,
Speaker 1: he's a good yeah. But I you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're talking enough, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: they would do it. I don't know if they would
Speaker 1: do it at all. But you know, with Charlton, you know,
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, and I know his name gets mentioned, but
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's as strong. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's as strong as you know. I mean, I'm hearing
Speaker 1: rumors about, Oh, I really like the Harris kid from Missouri,
Speaker 1: you know, Basham as a kid that you brought up.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm not saying at twenty eight, second round,
Speaker 1: second round type of guy. I mean twenty but we're
Speaker 1: really not talking about those guys. Twenty eight is the
Speaker 1: pick that everybody fixates on. But I mean, holler at
Speaker 1: me if there's somebody for you know, are my Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl guy Willis out of Kansas State? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: people were talking about him as a fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: Is that that seems low to me? Like should you beat?
Speaker 1: I mean I got him in the third, and I
Speaker 1: know there's some cons I know there's some questions about
Speaker 1: him having a third as well. A guy who I
Speaker 1: don't think we're talking enough about who we will be
Speaker 1: probably talking a little bit more about after the combines.
Speaker 1: Taias Bowser from Hugh He said that, you said that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna test really well. You know, played
Speaker 1: basketball two seasons at Houston. We know he's a good athlete.
Speaker 1: The way that he was used at Houston, who was
Speaker 1: just out of his paint the picture forreston On Bowser.
Speaker 1: You know with Houston, he lined up on the edge,
Speaker 1: but he didn't. They didn't let him, you know, Pin
Speaker 1: his ears back and just get after the quarterback, which
Speaker 1: he did at the Senior Bowl, right, and he showed
Speaker 1: that athleticism. He was off, he was dropping in coverage,
Speaker 1: you know, playing the run, playing contain. They didn't let him.
Speaker 1: They let What they've tried to do at Houston was
Speaker 1: blitz with Stephen Taylor up the gut or from different gaps,
Speaker 1: create that interior disruption and to filter the runs outside
Speaker 1: where you know, that's where Bowser and the other guys
Speaker 1: who clean up. So I think once Bowser has a
Speaker 1: chance to go to the Combine Test, really well, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be in that late somewhere in that second round
Speaker 1: conversation might be in that late round mix for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Seem as an end or as a I think he's
Speaker 1: an edge player. I you know, he could play, he
Speaker 1: could stay with Reddick like what we've seen with him Reddick.
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a stand up guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he could play inside in a three to four Bowser
Speaker 1: to me, I want him rushing the passer. I want
Speaker 1: him trying to, you know, bend around the corner and
Speaker 1: affect the pocket. And I think that's what he does best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do we stand on Dwayne Smoot right now. See,
Speaker 1: now you're starting to mention names. And I know I
Speaker 1: was a lot higher on Smooth than than Dane was.
Speaker 1: I don't see him. I mean, if there's there's better options.
Speaker 1: Now you look at Rivers, you know, you look at Basham.
Speaker 1: I mean, now you're talking about it, you know the Houston.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you're talking about guys. Where do
Speaker 1: you have Smooth? The third? I mean the Ivan the third? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and see, and I think that's where initially I thought
Speaker 1: he was a much higher player. But then when you
Speaker 1: start looking at who else is on the board in
Speaker 1: the second round, that's the other thing. He's there, there's
Speaker 1: better players than him as a rusher on the board.
Speaker 1: That's going to be those types of game A lot
Speaker 1: of it's a numbers game, you know, there's so many powers.
Speaker 1: I have eighteen pass rushers on my board that within
Speaker 1: the first three rounds. I mean, it's just it's a
Speaker 1: loaded position, and so these guys get bummed down just
Speaker 1: because of a numbers game. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: and I mean we brought up Barnett a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Now I'll extend this to other positions too. If you
Speaker 1: can think of them, But are there any guys that
Speaker 1: we're just kind of writing off as non options that
Speaker 1: maybe that's too soon to say, Like I mean Barnett
Speaker 1: potentially falling down. They won't be there, No, because they
Speaker 1: will be there, and we assume here in early February
Speaker 1: that they're they't be there at eight. But we saw
Speaker 1: that happen with a long draft process. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: a long draft process. Well, I mean, let's look at it.
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned the corners. I think Marshawn Lattimore,
Speaker 1: we feel good, is a top ten guy to twelve guy.
Speaker 1: But aside from that, would it really surprise you if
Speaker 1: any of these other corners would be there? Tabor, White, Moreau?
Speaker 1: But would it would it surprise you if any of
Speaker 1: them if all those corners aside from Lattimore were availablet
Speaker 1: twenty eight? I mean, would I be surprised? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would be surprised for a couple of those names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised on Tabor. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would be surprised on White or Moreau. But Humphrey or
Speaker 1: Jones is another one too. Sidney Jones is another one.
Speaker 1: I have every name that you just said is a
Speaker 1: name that not Humphrey. But every name you just said
Speaker 1: is a name that I've seen in the mark somewhere
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys range. Yeah. Yeah, I think these corners
Speaker 1: are so so different. There's something you could pull holes
Speaker 1: on all of them. And so it wouldn't shock me
Speaker 1: if Tabor's the fourth corner drafted, the fifth corner drafted,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna fall in love with the guy more than Tabor, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, could you look at skiing too, Humphrey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right about that. He's big, he's long, he's physical,
Speaker 1: and he's a speecher. He can really run. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think Marlon Humphrey is going to go you know, higher,
Speaker 1: and that could push a Tabor down, That could push
Speaker 1: a Sydney Jones down. These corners are really really wild
Speaker 1: cards in the first twenty five picks. So aside from Lattimore,
Speaker 1: it really wouldn't surprise me if any of these guys
Speaker 1: would be available at twenty eight. I do like I
Speaker 1: would watch your Witherspoon guy the other day. I do
Speaker 1: like him. He's a good player. He's a good player.
Speaker 1: He started playing football and senior year in high school
Speaker 1: boys he competitive yeah. I like him. Interesting to see
Speaker 1: what he runs. Yeah, is it a four or five? Eight? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where can he get lower than that? Well, there's some
Speaker 1: guys in this thing that Yeah, we had had that
Speaker 1: experience with Freeman last night. They're running back from a
Speaker 1: couple of different running back long horns running back. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: extend and you know, same conversation. And I was actually
Speaker 1: thinking about this when you brought it up. I don't
Speaker 1: get the feeling. I don't have the same feeling on
Speaker 1: the receiver repecking order. And that's that's where I turned
Speaker 1: to third after pass rusher in cornerback. Me personally, I
Speaker 1: don't know how fans so guys were not talking about that.
Speaker 1: We should be talking or maybe we're talking. You know,
Speaker 1: the dad's right about the cow kid Hanson. Hanson, He's
Speaker 1: right about him someone and you know what, Okay, give
Speaker 1: me let me ask you this. If you had to
Speaker 1: take if you had to take Hanson or Cup, you
Speaker 1: had to take Hanson. It's not it's not a comparison
Speaker 1: for me. Hands is a much better athlete. Um, I
Speaker 1: think he's bigger. I think you know, they kind of
Speaker 1: have similar backgrounds because his hands and started his career
Speaker 1: at the end. You don't think you don't think Cup
Speaker 1: could play in the PAC twelve. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I like couple a lot. I just think I just
Speaker 1: like Hanson much more. I think Cup's a solid second
Speaker 1: round guy. I think he I think he's best in
Speaker 1: the slot where he can give hands in the first
Speaker 1: don't she I have him as a one two. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know he's somewhere in the top forty. So you're
Speaker 1: hearing much about Chad Hanson out there. No, yeah, here
Speaker 1: you go. I just told you when. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: besides Mike Williams and uh, Corey Davis. Okay, and Mike
Speaker 1: Williams is the name again. Going back to my other point,
Speaker 1: it's like you can people assume you can write him
Speaker 1: off the list, right, and I think that's fair. I agree.
Speaker 1: Other than that Corey Davis, I'd include Corey Davis. It's
Speaker 1: unfortunate for him that he's going to be out with
Speaker 1: the ankle, won't be able to compete at the combine um,
Speaker 1: so you know that will work against him. But as
Speaker 1: long as he gets healthy and there's no long term effects,
Speaker 1: so be shocked if he gets outside the top twenty.
Speaker 1: Why is nobody talking about the Syracuse kid because he
Speaker 1: played at Syracuse. No, don't do that. I like him
Speaker 1: as a deep threat. Um, do you like him? I
Speaker 1: did really put him put him in the third Okay,
Speaker 1: you like him more than I do. Why don't you
Speaker 1: like him? I don't do great for me to say
Speaker 1: the name correctly. I was wondering why you didn't say it?
Speaker 1: It tau Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I always screw
Speaker 1: it up. But he I know my friend out there,
Speaker 1: mighty is just jumping through her she listens. She's a
Speaker 1: Syracuse grad. This is a player who you're up there
Speaker 1: in Boston. She's listening right now. She's jumping through the radio.
Speaker 1: Fifth year, Syracuse gets your transfer from Maryland and he
Speaker 1: goes to Syracuse and no one really he wasn't on
Speaker 1: the NFL radar. Yeah, but he put himself in the
Speaker 1: NFL radar with his production this past season. It'll catch
Speaker 1: a football now. Yeah. I think he's he can get
Speaker 1: the deep ball, he can locate, he can high point.
Speaker 1: I trust him at the top of routes. I just
Speaker 1: don't know, um what he can do as an underneath target.
Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl, I was hoping for a little bit
Speaker 1: more from him. He didn't. He didn't do enough for
Speaker 1: me at the Senior Bowl. I like him on day three,
Speaker 1: as you know, in the fifth round range. But I
Speaker 1: did not see a top one hundred guy like you.
Speaker 1: I said, I thought this guy was a finisher. I
Speaker 1: really did. I mean something I put in my notes
Speaker 1: and at home run hit her. He's six, he's six one,
Speaker 1: he's one hundred and ninety eight pounds, and he's like
Speaker 1: four or five middle four or five guy. But you
Speaker 1: watch him play. He'll take his route inside. He's got
Speaker 1: some toughness, catch slants, ends, you know, he'll do those
Speaker 1: types of thing. I saw a guy with a with
Speaker 1: you know, with the quarterback situation not being great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a pretty high catch radius there. That's Dino
Speaker 1: Wavers up there. Yeah, yeah, he'll he knows how to
Speaker 1: move the ball around. You like better him or M
Speaker 1: A and M Kid. Well, I'll take I'll take Syracuse
Speaker 1: all day on that one. You're on me about that
Speaker 1: A and M kid. They it's you. You don't like
Speaker 1: him at all? No, no, no, I initially did Reynolds. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like Reynolds. And that's why see I started
Speaker 1: off watch like in Reynolds and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now it's like all these names like Henderson, Zay Jones,
Speaker 1: darbos Smith. I mean, all these guys came up as
Speaker 1: a player. I like him a lot. You have Darbo
Speaker 1: in the third two three. If you looked at our
Speaker 1: Darius Stewart yet Alabama, yeah I did. I didn't like
Speaker 1: him as much. I like him. He's a two three
Speaker 1: for me as well. These this the day two receivers
Speaker 1: this year are tough to separate. He's kind of a
Speaker 1: he's kind of all over the places a player. He is.
Speaker 1: He was a high school quarterback the jet sweep and
Speaker 1: they tried to get the ball in his hands or
Speaker 1: they could, and you know he's he's a high school quarterback,
Speaker 1: like a reckless player, and he he is. He's he
Speaker 1: flails a lot, flailing. Yeah, that's what I mean by reckless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's fair. There's nothing tight to his game. He'll
Speaker 1: get better, He'll get two three. Yeah, he's a two
Speaker 1: three if you if you think back to last year,
Speaker 1: better than Westbrook. No, Westbrook's more of a home run hitter.
Speaker 1: I've got him into Westbrook, Oklahoma, by the way, they
Speaker 1: had thirty four and sixty seven last year, and we
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time talking about what a great
Speaker 1: spot that was to pick a receiver. You're you feel
Speaker 1: I mean, like, like listening to y'all talk, it sounds
Speaker 1: like you feel better about these guys even with later picks.
Speaker 1: I think they could get a guy that can help him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how really do how late? Though? That's I mean hick
Speaker 1: threes somewhere in the nineties. Who all do you have
Speaker 1: in the in the fourth round? Like Taylor? Would that
Speaker 1: be a consideration? I've got him a third in the
Speaker 1: fourth I have well, like a three to four. I
Speaker 1: have Noah Brown from Ohio State, Bucky Hodges Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1: So you don't like Bucky Hodges is a tight end.
Speaker 1: He's not a tight end. That's what I'm saying. Everybody's
Speaker 1: asking me, like Bucky Hodges tight end. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him play tighten. Doesn't have a tight end body, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't play tight end at Virginia Tech. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: listed at tight end as a roster and that's the
Speaker 1: only place he plays tight end. Yeah. Um, so he's
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll be listed at tight end, probably get
Speaker 1: the combine, but he's not a tight end. This is
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted because we just got roughly I
Speaker 1: don't know, ten new names for guys that were not
Speaker 1: I mean, you've heard the names, but they're not you're
Speaker 1: your mission accomplish, David Hellman and just I mean, I
Speaker 1: just know for a fact we'll be talking about somebody
Speaker 1: in Oh no, we will in April that we're not
Speaker 1: talking about right now. Okay, well that's all the time
Speaker 1: we have today. I want to thank everybody out there
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