WEBVTT - Draft Show: Looking Ahead To The Combine 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:06.519 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.840 are war room for incenter news and draft analysis from 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.320 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:20.120 in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectie Elliott, and now your hosts 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:25.000 Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well. Welcome 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.040 back to another edition of the Draft Show from the 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.840 SWBC Mortgage studios here at the Star. Brian brought us 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:37.040 from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Dane Brugler, CBS Sports contributor 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.040 to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David Hellman, writer for Dallas 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.760 Cowboys dot Com, and Kent Garrison, executive producer. Once again, 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:46.599 we do welcome you to the Draft Show, where we 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.959 attempt to investigate and educate. I'm going to get into 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.240 some things today that i think will be very pertinent 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.240 to what we're gonna be talking about here in the future. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.920 I think Dane shares my disdain right now for rules 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:03.560 that are going to be that are happening within the combine. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.640 Right I've always loved the combine, and I've always thought 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.000 it was a major part of what we did. The 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.280 medical information, to me, was always the most important I 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.720 can go to tallahassee our Gainesville, these places in time. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.479 A guy, I just need to know how healthy these 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.840 guys are. We'll get into that in just a second. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.520 We're also going to get into our staple of Twitter 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.640 on the twenty. Need your help right there for that. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.240 Want to take the opportunity, you know, I see a 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.040 lot of Twitter questions to Dane Brugal. I see a 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.760 lot of questions to David Hellman about players. This is 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.480 your opportunity. You know, take this opportunity, you know, full 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.000 advantage of it. Tweet at the Draft show, and that's 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.240 where you're going to get your questions answered there on 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.480 Twitter on the twenty. You know, if you have a 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.320 question about, Hey, Dane, what do you think about this guy, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.000 the Muhammad kid from Miami. You know it didn't play 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.840 the whole year. Give me some idea what you think 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.280 about the guy? You know, that's your opportunity. We appreciate, 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.600 we want interaction with the fans. We also believe that, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.880 you know, like we said, it's it's our job to 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.080 try and talk these things through and give you the 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.839 best educated opinion you can have on these players. We're 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.080 also going to have a little opportunity to David Hellman 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.640 has also created a a I don't want to call 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.919 it a game, but a discussion something I think about 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:24.080 around this time of year. Yeah, and Dave wants to know, Hey, 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.360 we talk about a lot of guys a lot of 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.280 the time. But who the guys were not talking about? 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.160 You know, That's that's I think that's important. I think 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:37.480 our vocabulary about these players is pretty extensive. You know, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.000 Danes is a little bit further along than mine, but 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.360 I'm getting there. Well, who are we talking about too much? 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.639 Or too much? Yeah? Yeah, that's the big one for me. Yeah, 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.000 I mean, and you know, the Senior Bowl plays a 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.680 role in that. And sure the media darlings, the guys 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.520 that you knew were going to be big draft picks 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.920 before the football season even ended. And now is the 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:01.760 time where narrative gets replaced by people watching tape and 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.760 developing opinions and things like that. And we all know 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.920 for a fact scouts are catching up with the draft 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.120 skills somebody we're not talking about. It's gonna be like 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.040 a top fifteen pick, it absolutely ends. Yeah, So we're 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:13.720 gonna get into that today. If we have an opportunity, 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.360 we'll take some your calls. Numbers are on the screen 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.880 eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.840 You know, I encourage you. I asked Kent, hey, we 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.280 have any calls, maybe at the end of the show 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:24.960 we can grab a couple if we have some time. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.400 But that's a couple of different ways. That's what the 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.400 show is going to be today. So I hope everybody 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.520 will follow along with us in that in that regard, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.640 and Dana, I do want to talk to you about this, 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.200 And David, I want to talk to you about this 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:42.920 combined rule. Tell me explain the rule first. You're good 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.000 at explaining things. Explain the rule and explain to me 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:51.440 why it's hurting NFL clubs and it's hurting players too. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.440 It is and this new rules it's new this year. Basically, 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.240 once a players invited the combine, they are subject to 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.680 a background check, and if that background check comes back 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:07.880 with any type of felony or misdemeanor conviction connected to 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.560 a violent crime, sexual assault, domestic balance, that type of thing, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.960 then that combine invite is rescinded a right. So that 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.080 has affected Chad Kelly, the old miss quarterback. That has 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.560 affected Joe Mixon, from Oklahoma, a few other guys, the 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.560 Baylor wide receivers, Amra Stringfellow, the wide receiver from Old 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.680 miss and a few others. So it's something that is 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.159 keeping guys from going to the combine, and to me, 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.680 it's just it's very counterproductive. You know, the combine is 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.200 a place you know mentioned the medicals. Yes, that's first 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.680 and foremost. Yes, I think a close second is the 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.479 interview process a chance for these teams and coaches to 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:49.800 get acquainted with players. And I think people they say, oh, well, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.480 they screwed up, you know, they don't get to go. Well, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.800 the combine is not a reward. It's a job interview. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.479 It's a job interview. It's a step in that job interview, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.719 and a job interview is as important for the interviewer 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.040 as it is for the interviewee. You know, absolutely right both. 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.799 So if I'm a company and I'm investing into a person, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.359 I want to know everything about them. I want to 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.640 be comfortable with them. And we know the NFL will 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.960 you know, they don't have necessary not every team of 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.000 standards in terms of who they'll take on their team. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.520 And this combines a chance to get to know a 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.039 Joe Mixon better, Chad Kelly, better understand their circumstances, find 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.440 out more about them. Not being at the combines not 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.719 going to sway a team from not drafting them, right, 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.320 So now it forces them to go and get that 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.680 more information elsewhere at the pro day, personal workouts, you know, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.560 fly them in that type of deal. So it makes 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.960 for a team, It makes my job harder if I'm 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.320 an NFL team. And for a player like Joe Mixon, 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.960 he gets to avoid the media fire store scrutiny of 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.520 it all right, He gets to avoid the speed dating 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.840 interview process at the combine and he still gets to 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.000 work out as pro day. So really it doesn't hurt 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.080 team or the player as much as it hurts the 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:59.880 NFL teams who are trying to find out as much 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.240 information about these guys. And so I really think this 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.800 is a thinly veiled attempt by the NFL to avoid 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.000 negative pr And people talk about Joe at the Combine, right, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.760 they don't. They don't want the Combine to be dominated 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.240 by a TV event. Yeah, yeah, everything you just said 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.680 I agree with, And at the same time I can 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.240 I can feel the other side of that point. I 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.080 think you're absolutely right. The problem is the combine kind 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.400 of has become a reward. I mean that's not the intention, obviously, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.280 but it's a naturally televised event that does better ratings 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.720 than some other sports like playoffs. You know, I mean, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.760 everybody sits around and watches Rich Eyes and runs the forty. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.400 There's gonna be a thousand media members there, and you know, 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.520 I mean, you don't have to think back that far. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.560 Byron Jones sets a world record in the broad jump 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:53.320 and becomes a household name among NFL fans. He was 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.160 not that when he showed up an Indy And so 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.640 you think about that kind of spotlight and it's a 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.000 lot like it's not on the same ol, but it's 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.120 like getting invited to the green room at the Draft. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.920 It's like for the elite players, they put them on TV. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.600 They show you running the drills, and it's a TV event. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.840 And I mean, I agree with everything Dane said. I 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.280 think teams, that's what they're there for. But the NFL 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.920 looks at it as so much more than that because 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.400 of how they've monetized every event on the schedule. I mean, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.480 every single thing the NFL does is a monetized watch party. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.480 At this point, so I get their rationale for not 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.240 doing it, but yeah, it's just a pain. It's a 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.560 pain in the butt for these teams because now they 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.960 just have to work that much harder. And to Dane's point, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.160 it's not going to stop them anyway, right, And the 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.000 Joe Mixon deal, we know the details, you know, we 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.320 know the video, we know everything that's going on. But 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.720 that's not always the case with some of these other players. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.400 The details aren't well known, and so they need to 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.520 find out their circumstances. They want to find out more 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.560 about the player. Joe Mixon is a player that's been 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.240 a hot button issue for a while and he will 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.880 be the next few months. But for some of these 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.560 other guys, teams need to find out more information about them. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.520 And let's be honest, is this rule going to really 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.480 prevent anything else from happening? You know, as Joe Mixon 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.560 not do what he did if he understood that he 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.240 wouldn't be able to go to the combine. No, it's 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.040 not going to prevent future things from happening. It's just 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.760 and I don't disagree with with Dave, because it is 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.800 you know, it is an event. That's how the NFL 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.280 looks at it, but I think first and foremost it 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.560 has to be a job interview and they have to 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.680 they're protecting the shield. I get that, but they also 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.560 have to look out for the thirty two clubs and 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.920 realize that they need have a job to do, and 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.880 they're really this rule is hurting them do their job. Yeah, 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.920 I think. And I'll tell you where I disagree with 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:43.120 you on this. Okay, I disagree about hurting the player 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.360 or that doesn't hurt the play? Does it does? And 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.520 I you know what, you know, I think that the first, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.640 the first opportunity that these players really have to sit down. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:54.920 You know, we didn't have a chance to sit down 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.480 with Joe Mixon at the Senior Bowl. You know, this 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.079 will be this will be a lot of general manager owners, 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.640 you know, those guys that are involved. This will be 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.400 their first opportunity to see these guys, or would have 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.800 been their first opportunity. You know. I think even though 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.840 it's a fifteen minute, like you say, speed dating, I 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.079 think that that that type of the type of relationship 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:21.000 that that first one meeting can get an owner to say, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.680 you know what, I'm comfortable with this kid. I'd like 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.880 to bring him back when we have our thirty visits, 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.680 you know, and they're gonna be people. They're gonna have 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.720 Joe Mixon off the board, and maybe they have it 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.360 off him off the board right now because of what 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.120 they believe. But I also believe that you also need 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.920 to hear Joe mixon side of the story too, and 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.600 maybe that Joe Mixon goes from being a guy that's 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.880 off a board or chat keller or whoever is not 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.959 getting to come to the combine. I believe that they 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.800 deserve that right to explain their side of the story 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.720 and let somebody have the opportunity to say, you know what, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.040 I still don't feel comfortable with them. I don't want 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.160 anything to do with this guy. You might recall our 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.199 guy Jeremy Hill. A few years ago. I had a 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.800 chance to own up for all of his off field stuff. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.680 He wrote a letter to like every his GM and 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.160 coach in the league. And yeah, I mean, you know, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.040 make I don't know, feel how you want to feel. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.440 Make your own judgments, but I mean none of this, yeah, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.120 none of this is going to stop teams from looking 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.200 into mixing. So I mean, you would want him to 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.360 have the chance to talk to his future employers. And yeah, 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:26.880 I think you're right. It does hurt him not to 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.480 just have first of all that first impression, second of 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.880 all that access to everybody, because now you got to 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.720 go to Norman to get or wherever he is Phoenix, 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.920 you know, right, Yeah, And it means infer that it 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.520 doesn't you know, it doesn't hurt the player, because it does. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.280 You know, it's an opportunity to put your best foot 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.960 forward and you know, show yourself both you know, not 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.760 only just in the athletic drules, but in the interview process. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.079 I just meant it. It hurts teams more than it 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.080 hurts the players in my opinion, you know, because the 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:56.800 teams have to do a little bit more work now, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.480 where the player still has opportunities to show, you know, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.280 a pro days and different things like that. You know, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.120 teams are still thirty to thirty two, teams will still 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.439 be at Oklahoma's Pro Day. So I think it hurts 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.760 teams more than it hurts the player. But it still 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.320 does hurt the player. No question. Would you like the 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.920 opportunity to ask Joe Mixon questions at the combine? Of course, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.240 absolutely you want to. I mean, if you want, if 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.040 you want to be. Is that a missed opportunity for 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:22.920 us in the media as well to get to know 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.560 Joe Mixon a little bit better? I think so. Yeah. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.719 And honestly, you can. I mean we're all we're all 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.400 pointing the finger at him. Yeah. Where it's a horrible video, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.520 don't get me wrong. You know what, And with how 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.200 little Mixon has been in the public eye and really 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.199 been available for comment during this whole thing, I really 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.160 think the media would take this opportunity. You think back 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.240 to when Oklahoma was in the playoffs a couple of 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:49.160 two seasons ago. They didn't make him available at all, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.600 didn't want him to talk about it. And he doesn't 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.200 have those restrictions now, and I you know, I think 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.600 college football writers, I think the media in general would 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.320 make it a point to kind of grill him basically. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.120 And I think it would be lead to see how 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.600 you'd handle it. And the Combine has these guys every year, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.959 Combines pressure. A couple of years ago, I remember man 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.640 Ti Teo that was right out that situation. He had 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.920 to go up to the to the podium and you know, 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:18.040 face the firing storm, and that's something that uh, you know, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.000 there's a guy every year like that. And you know 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.440 Noah spense to an extent last year, last year, right, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.520 another one. Um, so yeah, there's he would have mixed. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.679 It would have been that guy this year where you 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:29.920 hear his name calling and all of a sudden you 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.560 see a flood of media storming towards the podium. So 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.800 we won't get that opportunity. Who knows if he'll be 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.120 available at the Pro day or how that'll be handled 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.200 by his agent, And so yeah, it's I think bottom 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:50.040 line with this rule is I don't really believe in 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.680 the intent of the rule. Um. I think it makes 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.480 the jobs harder for all thirty two teams. And I 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.080 think you know there that's nothing new for the NFL. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.000 By the way, several teams that agree. Yeah. Yeah, And 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.800 and I tell, okay, talk the discussions you've had right 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.600 with teams. You know, the discussions you have, and I 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.160 you know, I mean you and I know a lot 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.559 of the same guys. I mean I've been around a 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.600 lot longer, so I know a few more guys than you. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.319 But but what's the what's your what's the team's reaction been? 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.120 We talked about what our reaction is, what's the team's 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.280 reaction to this, and when I talk to teams about 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.240 who it isn't at the combine, a lot of times 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.360 I get the response good because that you know, hopefully 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.239 we're hiding him. You know, there's a player from southwest 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.880 Louisiana that no one really knows about or you know, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.200 only four teams the coach told me only four teams 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.640 went through there this fall. You know, he's kind of hidden. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.319 He's not gonna be at the combine. That's good. We 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.400 might have a you know, a chance to get him late. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.760 Uh So most cases that's how those conversations go, but 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.320 this is completely different because you know, they want to 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.480 know more about the player. They want to find out 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.480 more information, and you know, I I this makes their 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.120 job harder, and they absolutely agree. Yeah, I just stn't. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.760 Like I said, the NFL has made the league off. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.320 It's knows to train schedule to Connecticut. They just don't 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.480 know what goes on here at the club level. Yeah, 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.160 every day, And I think that's a big I think 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.840 that's really a big issue here we speak. I feel 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.560 confident saying I'm speaking for like the silent majority of 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.720 team personnel employees who I mean the NFL does their 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.480 best to not make it about football. That's fair. I 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.320 mean all across the board. Like I said, everything's monetized, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.760 everything's televised. Everything is done with the intent of making 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.520 money and generating viewers more so than I never believed. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.600 I've said this before, I never believed sitting there in 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.280 nineteen ninety two that they would ever have the combine 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.480 on television. I never always thought, you know, and that's 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:48.520 and talking about Dave, you said thousand you know media people. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.640 I remember when there was like eight Remember a guy 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.680 like Rick Goslin by the way, happy birthday Goose if 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.160 you're listening to that birthday. Yeah, and he was one 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.160 of the eight guys. And it was that that was 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.760 the way it was. But I it is, it's a 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.800 it's a big it's a big deal. Now. The Draft 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.840 is a huge business. You can tell by the numbers 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.400 that you know, the reach that we have here on 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.120 the Draft show. I can't I still can't wrap my 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:11.800 head around the fact that the first round of the 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.200 Draft is a primetime event instead of just you know, 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:18.440 Saturday morning to Saturday night and then Sunday morning. Yeah, No, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.480 it's it's the draft is a special thing. And you know, 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.720 we've all we've all learned that we were living that 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.720 right now, clearly living that. And I just I just 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.160 feel I feel badly. I feel badly for the players. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.000 You know, the teams. You get around it, the teams 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.000 get around it, still bad for the players. I'm not 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.080 gonna go far enough as to say I feel badly 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.600 well because the players put them in the self in 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.720 this position. On one hand, yes, you put yourself on 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.720 this position. On the other hand, like I just, we 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.080 all make mistakes. I know for a fact, it's not 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.880 going to affect anything like it's going to be a 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.000 little bit harder for these clubs to get the information 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.760 they want. It's not it's not Joe Mixon's getting drafted, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.560 regardless of whether he's at the combine. If he doesn't 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.080 get draft that I'll be stunned. And so, you know, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.040 so you're okay with the rule. I think the rule 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.840 is disingenuous, but I'm not going to lose any sleep 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.760 over it, I guess, is what I'm saying. That's fair. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.240 And I do think Brian did mention something interesting about 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.560 you know, if a player like Joe Mixon wasn't really 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.320 on the board or we you know, a team goes 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.800 into the combine thinking we're not going to draft this 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.960 guy and I talked to him. But after you talk 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.040 to him, yeah, you know what, Okay, you know, maybe 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.320 that interview went a little different than we thought. Yeah, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.400 you know, and kids, maybe the kids can be honest 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.360 about what happened. Okay, but this is sorry, Dane. Instead 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.720 of just sending an area scout to the pro day, sure, 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.520 maybe you also send the director of scouting. Absolutely, just 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.080 you never know what an opportunity like the combine could trigger. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.000 So I do agree that it's disingenuous. I do agree 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:50.680 that it's probably not going to change anything. But I 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.480 do think there is that a little bit of a 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.000 chance that maybe it could, you know, maybe another team 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.440 could be in the mix for a Joe Mixon because 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.640 of the combine. You have all your personnel there, you have, 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.119 I mean, there's owners involved, there's general managers involved, there's 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.800 directors of college scouting and pro scouting. There's guys involved here. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.200 This is the NFL, like they're gonna I heard Jim 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.919 Garrett say that one time about Randy Moss, and I'm well, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.879 I'm not talking Well, yes, and he was absolutely right. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.080 It's not the boy scouts at the NFL. At the 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.560 end of the day, if you can play, it doesn't matter. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.960 But my point is, like we're talking about a billion 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.640 upon billion dollar industry, Like these guys are going to 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.680 do what they need to do to turn over every stone. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.080 If they got to fly a few more people to 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.800 Norman for Pro Day because of that, or to have 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.240 a private workout, I mean, how many how many workouts 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.440 do these guys have with teams and coaches that are 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.040 not widely publicized. Yeah, oh no, absolutely, that's and you're 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.440 right about They will get the job done. It will 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.960 be a little more inconvenient because you can't just knock 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.120 it all out of the combine maybe being selfish them 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.520 because I don't get to ask Joe Mixon question. Yeah, 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.280 and I mean it's a loss for us because he's 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.120 one of the most polarizing and interesting second best back 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.480 on my board. Yeah, agree me too, he I'd like 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.280 to know. Yeah, here's the last thing I'll say about this, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.280 but with Joe Mixon, he's not going to be drafted 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.399 based on what a scout thinks or even the director 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.119 of scouting. He's going to be drafted based on what 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.040 the general manager thing. Maybe that's why Brown, maybe that's 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.120 why Brian's harping on this so much, because he knows 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:14.840 that he works for a team that has a lot 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.680 of leeway in the draft process. Well. And but that's 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.840 going back to what Brian said about if Joe Mixon's 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.359 in that room, because if he if you know, there's 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.199 no guarantee that a general manager will go to the 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.960 Pro Day and he'll you know, yeah, So if Joe 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:29.879 Mixon is getting drafted by your team, he needs to 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.359 be signed off by the general manager, and his only 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.400 FaceTime with certain general managers might only be at the Combine. 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:40.479 So it's it's really an interest interesting wrinkle to the 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.440 Combine this year and how it's going to fully value 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.880 or a fully play out throughout the draft process. One 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.800 and done. I will I don't know who knows I 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.399 say it. I think NFL teams are gonna gonna complain 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.639 like heck, oh sure yeah, because it's gonna make their 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.520 job harder. And I think you know it's not it's 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.000 not worth it, uh, you know, the Combines's job interview. 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.119 And I think that's how it should be looked at 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.399 but it's also a TV event, and the NFL protects 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.159 the shield at all costs, so you never know. The 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.920 NFL is too powerful and too stubborn to retract a 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.760 rule after one year. I bet you it'll it will 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.600 deal with this for two or three years, and then 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.600 they'll quietly get rid of it. That would be my gues. 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.960 I'm gonna ask that question to Stephen Jones on Tuesday 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.600 when we get there at that Competition Committee meeting. Get 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.880 after it. That's what the Hey, there's guys and they're 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.000