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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectie Elliott, and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Draft Show from the

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Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage studios here at the Star. Brian brought us

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Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Dane Brugler, CBS Sports contributor

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Speaker 1: to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David Hellman, writer for Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com, and Kent Garrison, executive producer. Once again,

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Speaker 1: we do welcome you to the Draft Show, where we

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Speaker 1: attempt to investigate and educate. I'm going to get into

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Speaker 1: some things today that i think will be very pertinent

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Speaker 1: to what we're gonna be talking about here in the future.

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Speaker 1: I think Dane shares my disdain right now for rules

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Speaker 1: that are going to be that are happening within the combine.

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Speaker 1: Right I've always loved the combine, and I've always thought

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Speaker 1: it was a major part of what we did. The

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Speaker 1: medical information, to me, was always the most important I

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Speaker 1: can go to tallahassee our Gainesville, these places in time.

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Speaker 1: A guy, I just need to know how healthy these

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Speaker 1: guys are. We'll get into that in just a second.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to get into our staple of Twitter

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Speaker 1: Want to take the opportunity, you know, I see a

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Speaker 1: lot of Twitter questions to Dane Brugal. I see a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions to David Hellman about players. This is

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Speaker 1: your opportunity. You know, take this opportunity, you know, full

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Speaker 1: advantage of it. Tweet at the Draft show, and that's

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Speaker 1: where you're going to get your questions answered there on

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Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty. You know, if you have a

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Speaker 1: question about, Hey, Dane, what do you think about this guy,

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Speaker 1: the Muhammad kid from Miami. You know it didn't play

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Speaker 1: the whole year. Give me some idea what you think

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Speaker 1: we want interaction with the fans. We also believe that,

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Speaker 1: also going to have a little opportunity to David Hellman

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Speaker 1: has also created a a I don't want to call

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Speaker 1: it a game, but a discussion something I think about

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Speaker 1: around this time of year. Yeah, and Dave wants to know, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we talk about a lot of guys a lot of

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Speaker 1: the time. But who the guys were not talking about?

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Speaker 1: You know, That's that's I think that's important. I think

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Speaker 1: our vocabulary about these players is pretty extensive. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting there. Well, who are we talking about too much?

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Speaker 1: You know, I encourage you. I asked Kent, hey, we

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Speaker 1: And this combines a chance to get to know a

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Speaker 1: did not go to the combine who there were omissions

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Speaker 1: the flip side, three hundred and thirty two players were

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Speaker 1: So just because you do get a combined invite doesn't

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Speaker 1: guys in that probably aren't deserving of being in the combine.

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Speaker 1: I love when Dane throws shade. Oh it's all right

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Speaker 1: Get these questions in. Yeah, and that's at the Draft show.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about the Miles Garrett video.

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Speaker 1: to do that. But Wayne wants to know right there,

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Speaker 1: bro Realistically, I see the pain in Dane's eyes. Realistically,

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Speaker 1: Wayne says, who is a guy or is there a

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Speaker 1: guy that could slip down into the mid range of

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Speaker 1: the draft and prompt you to want to go get him?

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Speaker 1: I think Derek Barnett is the guy that I would

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Speaker 1: point to. He's a Jason Garrett kind of guy. Um,

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Speaker 1: and these passed rushers are gonna fly off the board.

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Speaker 1: And if you're sitting there at twenty eight and you

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Speaker 1: you don't like Charles Harris as much, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: you're not as come for both the guys that will

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Speaker 1: be available in the late first round you want. You

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Speaker 1: really like Derek Barnett. You want to go get him,

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Speaker 1: trade up into the somewhere in the teens. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can see that happening. I don't disagree with you there

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Speaker 1: on that because I'm thinking that everybody else that defensive

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Speaker 1: in spot could fault to you. And I'm talking about McKinley, Lawson, Harris,

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Speaker 1: those guys. I think the guys that are gonna go

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Speaker 1: off early are Garrett Thomas. You're right about Barnett. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think people are gonna fall

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Speaker 1: in love with him. You like any of those corners?

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Speaker 1: Would you go after any one of those corners? I

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Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Lattimore is gonna fall No Tabor.

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Speaker 1: You know, I like Tabor quite a bit. He's not

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Speaker 1: a guy I'm gonna trade up for this corner classy

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Speaker 1: so deep. It's deep, you don't have to move. You

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Speaker 1: can't justify trading up for a corner because I just

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Speaker 1: feel great about a guy I like being there, right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't feel that way about past in corners

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Speaker 1: deep first and second round. I think pass rushers deep

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Speaker 1: at certain pockets. You know, once those first round pass

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Speaker 1: rushers are wiped out, you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you feel comfortable reaching on another guy, So whereat with Corner.

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Speaker 1: I think there's more options. It's a very strong defensive

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Speaker 1: end class. But in terms of depth in the first rounds,

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Speaker 1: I feel better about Corner. You see either one of

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Speaker 1: those safeties dropping. You see Adams or Hooker because of injury.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's a shot with Hooker because of the injuries,

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Speaker 1: he won't work out before the combine. That could be

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Speaker 1: an issue with some teams. But and that's one of

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Speaker 1: my latest mock draft. I have Hooker falling to the

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Speaker 1: Browns at twelve. I couldn't see him falling far further

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Speaker 1: than that. That's kind of the floor for him, even

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Speaker 1: with you. As long as there's no long term effects

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Speaker 1: with the hernius surgery, the laborum As long as there's

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Speaker 1: no long term effects, I don't think Cooker's gonna fall

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Speaker 1: fall start good question, real good draft NERD question right here?

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Speaker 1: Well that was but here, Nick, this is a Dane

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Speaker 1: Brugler special. Right here. Nick says, Chris Godwin, Zay Jones,

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Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, Isaiah Ford, rank them Ford, Juju, and

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Speaker 1: then I have Godwin and Zay pretty close, but they're

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Speaker 1: very I mean, I think they're very on a similar well,

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Speaker 1: I've got to see I've got a two three on Fod.

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Speaker 1: I think he could be off the board in the

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Speaker 1: second round. Yeah, Juju have more of a third or

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Speaker 1: maybe even a fourth third because of the speed. Probably

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Speaker 1: right right, he just doesn't have it. He's not going

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Speaker 1: to consistently separate. You might have to keep him in

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Speaker 1: the slot. And I like Godwin and Zay quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: but I don't love them. I think they're both in

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Speaker 1: that three four range. So Ford, I think is a

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Speaker 1: clear cut one there for me. Then probably Juju as

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Speaker 1: a three. And then you know, I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people like Zay Jones. Yeah, I don't see the

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Speaker 1: first or second round talk. I see more of a

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Speaker 1: third or fourth round guy. Same thing with Godwin. I'm

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Speaker 1: the same. I have Godwin actually in the second If

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Speaker 1: you asked me to rank him, I would go Godwin, Ford, Shuster,

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Speaker 1: and Jones. That's how I would rank them. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got him more than I do, but I do.

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Speaker 1: I like the big body. I liked it. I like

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Speaker 1: like his toughness, like the fact he plays in cold weather,

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Speaker 1: not that he has to play, but you do play

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Speaker 1: in cold weather games, you know, late in the year

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Speaker 1: here with or Washington to Philly giant stuff. You got

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Speaker 1: to be able to go make plays. This wide receiver

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Speaker 1: class is really in that top one hundred. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: really interesting. It's gonna be kind of a you know,

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Speaker 1: what kind of type of receiver do you want? And

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Speaker 1: you know there's not gonna be any type of consensus

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Speaker 1: on these guys. No, Like the defensive ends fascinating, Brian,

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Speaker 1: this one's this one's up your alley. It's from Eric,

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Speaker 1: Like Yuric, I know how much you hate the fact

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Speaker 1: that they don't have a fifth round pick. I hate that.

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Speaker 1: What and we just talked about the first but just

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Speaker 1: in general where I mean, is there a spot where

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Speaker 1: to get more picks or up for that matter. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to give up. I know people hate when

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Speaker 1: I say this. I don't want to give up the

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Speaker 1: fifth year option because that just helps you in the

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Speaker 1: long run. Yep, it just helps you sit there at

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Speaker 1: twenty eight. Now, if you're sitting there and we don't

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Speaker 1: math for me. Just add thirty one basically to the

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Speaker 1: twenty eight and what do you get fifty nine? I

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Speaker 1: did that in my head. Yeah, yeah, lsu lsu guys.

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, and so I'm sitting there thinking though

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Speaker 1: of a spot I would, I think though. But Dane

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Speaker 1: the way this drap. Maybe that second round pick is

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Speaker 1: gonna have some huge value to it. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: as far as a player that you really really want,

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Speaker 1: you know that, that's where I think you have to

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Speaker 1: be careful of saying, Okay, I'm gonna plan. I went

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Speaker 1: where he took Roberts from Alabama, the defense, he kept

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Speaker 1: going back. He went back, he went back. His initial

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Speaker 1: plan wasn't to go back. His initial plan was a

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Speaker 1: and those guys went off the board ahead of him,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he got a call

637
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Speaker 1: and he just and the players just kept falling. A

638
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: matter of fact, you got a call from the Cowboys,

639
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: and so he just kept getting calls because the players

640
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: on the board. And eventually Debartlos said, you know you're

641
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: gonna pick a player. You know you're just gonna be

642
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: But that's the way you kind of collect picks. Somebody

643
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: has to be on the board that you really that

644
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: they really really cover it, and maybe on the back

645
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: end of that second round, but maybe there might be

646
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: a guy that you covered as well, So you have

647
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: to be a little careful by that. I think one

648
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: thing to say about that late first round pick, um

649
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: that fifth year option is valuable. It doesn't have some value,

650
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: but it also has some value in trade discussions, right,

651
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: And so you know a team picking in the early

652
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: second round that WAPs it up in that late first

653
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: to get that fifth year option, Oh, you're gonna have

654
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: to give me something to come get that pick. So

655
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: that's why I think you can't run now. Yeah, I

656
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: mean we talk about if a Deshaun Watson or somebody,

657
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: if a quarterback basically kind of pulls a Teddy Bridgewater right,

658
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: he's there where he's not supposed to be. Maybe you

659
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: could fleece somebody. I'd I'd give up the fifth year

660
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: option if somebody was willing to overpay the crap out

661
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: of me, like a next year's one, next year's one,

662
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: or maybe much. I don't think you're gonna get that,

663
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: but maybe if I mean another two, if it's a

664
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: quarterback like David's talking about, maybe I would do it.

665
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: I would probably do it for I don't think any

666
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: team's gonna give up an extra one to move up

667
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: five spots. Don't kill my dream team. But I think

668
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: a team with two two's, you maybe pick up a

669
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: two and a three. I mean, I think that you're

670
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: gonna hold somebody up for that pick though you're gonna

671
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: hold somebody up for that twenty eight. Yeah, I mean

672
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I think it. What's your what's your level of tolerance?

673
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: It depends who's there, who's available for me? Yeah, you know,

674
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: it depends what my board looks like. Im I wiped out?

675
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Are there plenty of guys that I want? You know,

676
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: is we might have some guys? Yeah, exact my defensive end.

677
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: That's what will ultimately make the decision for me. Do

678
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: I feel better with this player or do I feel

679
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: better passing on these guys available and picking up you know,

680
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: maybe X and X down the road. So check the

681
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: teams out when you get the numbers, check the teams

682
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: out with multiple picks. That's that's where you're kind of,

683
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, because you really don't want to do next

684
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: year's one or next year's picks. You know you really don't,

685
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: but you because you want to pick in this draft,

686
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: especially with the depth that it has. I know the

687
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: Titans have some picks, but they don't need a quarterback,

688
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: which bums me out. But okay, here's one from Chris's

689
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: kind of Cowboys centric. But we talk a lot about

690
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: tight end for this team. Um, he wants to know

691
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: is that premature given that you've got Witten, Hannah and

692
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: swam here and you also got Ricoll. I mean, are

693
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: we making too much of the potential need for a

694
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: tight end? That was a mail back question this morning. Oh,

695
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: because we're talking about Jeff Swains. What I get for

696
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: taking the morning off to move? Yeah, and it to

697
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: me it you know, you have to it depending on

698
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: the tight end at that position though, I mean not

699
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: that position, but that who the tight end is because

700
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: this thing is gonna there's gonna be some tight ends

701
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: in this draft, you know, I mean, you take that

702
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: second round pick where you're time had to talk about

703
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: but or somebody like, I mean, this team's famous for

704
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: stashing the taking the hurt guy and then moving on

705
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: from there. Well, let's talk about these tight ends for

706
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: a second. I mean, is is Hannah you know? Can

707
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: you trust him to be health? Yeah? That's the big

708
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: Can you trust him to be a reliable number two

709
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: tight end? If the question was asked, could Swain be

710
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: a guy that Swain is a blocker developed. He's never

711
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: gonna be the physical specimen of Jason Witten, right, but

712
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: he does have to down the field skills, he can

713
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: catch the football and he and when they did use

714
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: him as a blocker through the first twelve weeks of

715
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: this season, it's pretty the first to Cleveland, right, Yeah,

716
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: that's yeah, yeah, Week ten, yeah, week ten, yeah, exactly.

717
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Jason Witten's entering what age thirty five season, and I

718
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: don't see a number two tight end on this roster.

719
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't I And at the end of the day,

720
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: if you get one of the better guys or a

721
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: better guy. I don't think that Hannah or Swaim is

722
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: a or Gathers is enough to stop you from doing

723
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: that if it really seems like the best option. And

724
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, Gathers is a wild card because we

725
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: haven't seen him. I mean, maybe you guys have seen

726
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: him in proc. I know, I know that. I know

727
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: this for a fact. I know talking to some folks

728
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: about him. He was one of Tony Romo's favorite targets

729
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: on the Scout team. He'd be my favorite two if

730
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: he was that big. He wore he just wore them

731
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: out throwing. Romo wore him, wore them out throwing the

732
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: football to him. So we'll see. That would be exciting.

733
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: We'll see. Here's here's one from d Ware. I don't

734
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: think it's that d Ware, but a little Ohio State action.

735
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 1: Tell me. Tell me about Curtis Samuel Dane fit and Grade.

736
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: He's the East Coast Christian McCaffrey. He can do a

737
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: little bit of everything for you. You want to line

738
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: him with the backfield, put him out in the slot.

739
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: He's actually listed as a wide receiver on the Combine roster,

740
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: which I great him as a running back too. He

741
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: averaged seven point nine yards per carry over his career,

742
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to take him out of the

743
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: back field. But I think the moment you label him

744
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver or a running back, I think

745
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: you're missing the point. I mean, he's both. He can

746
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: do everything that you want either of those positions to do.

747
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: Out of the slot, out of the backfield really explosive.

748
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: He's basically in a more explosive version of theoretic it

749
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: does an exceptional job with the Lions as a receiver

750
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: out of the backfield like that. So I think Curtis

751
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: Samuel Christian McAffrey probably need to give him in the

752
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: first round. Curtis Samuel is the guy you get in

753
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: the second round if you miss out on McCaffrey. Yeah.

754
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: I actually had a third round grade on him, but

755
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: I created him as a running back, and I have

756
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: McCaffrey ahead of him. No, I do, because I think

757
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: that there's really more you can do. But you're right,

758
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a I don't think that's a

759
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: far off comparison at all. I will the thing I liked.

760
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was smooth running routes. That's I

761
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: mean when I watched him. He looked like a running

762
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: back trying to run routes. Right, That's where I was thinking, well,

763
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: how do I develop that? And then and all of

764
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: a sudden, they hand him the ball in the backfield

765
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: and I'm running, watch him hit the corner, run over,

766
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: somebody make a cut. I'm like, wait, why he's not

767
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: Why is he not a running back? He's the best

768
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: player on that Hart State offens this past year. Yeah,

769
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: he was the best player and center. You hate the center.

770
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: I know they didn't give him the ball enough. I mean,

771
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, if they gave him the high volume touches

772
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: of a Christian McCaffrey, he would have been in the

773
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: Heisman discussion. I really believe that he's that type of talent. So, no,

774
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: he's not being a homer. Samuel is a top fifty

775
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: pick in his draft. If you want to get Curtis Sammy,

776
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: you better have a top fifty pick. Follow me on this, Well,

777
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: it won't matter if that's the case. But if you

778
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: had him, you had him cleaned, You had him clean

779
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: two yes, clean, too clean too. Everything you're saying and

780
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: everything I've seen him him with my own eyes tells

781
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: me great player. I don't know what the Cowboys would

782
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: do with him. Yeah, that's fair. I mean he's not

783
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: replacing Terrence Williams. He's not that guy. Nou and you

784
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: have Zeke and you can I mean, you can get

785
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: another Lance Dunbar with less than a top fifty pick. Right,

786
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: you have a you have a backups. They if they

787
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: totally win another direction with running backs, if they totally

788
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: just got rid of every every they didn't sign back

789
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: McFadden Morris, they moved on from who would you want

790
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: to be the backup running back to Ezekiel Eliot out

791
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: of this draft Joe Mixon. Ah, oh, it would love you, man.

792
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me. I really really wouldn't. I really do.

793
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to go that down that rabbit hole again.

794
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: But you know we're not. I won't make you do that.

795
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: I answer the question. If you can get him in

796
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round, you know, God, I love that.

797
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: Just give me, give me Darren McFadden on a very

798
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: cheap deal, and then draft me another Darius Jackson in

799
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: like this. By the way, the scouts are still miffed

800
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: by that Darius Jackson did. They should be scouts are

801
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: miffed when especially they look at their free agent lists

802
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: now and the players they could have moved on from,

803
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: especially if they're not going to bring back. Correct me

804
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong that they did that for Randy Gregory.

805
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: They got rid of him to put Randy back on

806
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: the roster, right, Yeah, and he was around for two

807
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: weeks and now he's gone for you year. I hate

808
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: it so much, Um, Mike, how about one more Dave

809
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: if you got it? Okay, Uh, it's too soon to

810
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: talk about Tim Williams, right, we don't know anything more

811
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: about him. Tim Williams is working out here in Dallas

812
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: when I understand, Oh yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I think

813
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: you sit to Michael Johnson speed school. Yeah yeah, I'm

814
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: gonna shelve him because we just we've talked about him before.

815
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: We don't have any new information to share. Sorry, justin

816
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: ask again at the combine one of the better better

817
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: pass rushers defensive end Alabama been talent, Yeah, no doubt

818
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: about it. And we will learn about why he's probably

819
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: not going to go in the top ten in the

820
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: coming weeks. I was speaking of Gregory, yeah, exactly. Um,

821
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: I get to ask him some questions well, all right, well,

822
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: well I'll just ask it. I mean, it's it's tough,

823
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: I know, but Tim Williams. Yeah, and then you got

824
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: your Joe mix it. I mean, which one of those

825
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: scares you less? Basically is what mix? Well? And right

826
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: now there's more unknown and that's I feel. It's make

827
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: sure it's three years removed or going on three years

828
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: right now from what happened. But we don't even have

829
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: a full picture on what we're scared of with Tim Williams. Correct.

830
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: All I know is scared of what we just saw

831
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: happen to this team for the last two years. Yeah,

832
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: and with Tim Williams, there's where there's smoke, there's fire,

833
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of smoke. You can go

834
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: back to when he was recruited. He went to high

835
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: school in the LSU campus and LSU backed off and

836
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: they said, I don't really know if we want this

837
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: guy Alabama's I covered Tim Williams recruitment. I was like

838
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: one of the first reporters to kind of get to

839
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: know him when he started getting offers. So would you

840
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: think I thought it was weird that a kid who

841
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: grew up in the shadow of LSU's stadium literally, Wow,

842
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: the University High Yeah, University High on campus. Wow. And

843
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean nice guy, but that was five six years ago.

844
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: There's a pass rusher though. Yeah, but there's just a

845
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: lot we don't know. Why did he only play x

846
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: amount of I mean he only played like he was

847
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: under thirty snaps a game as a senior. Yeah, under

848
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: thirty snaps a game. Didn't like the rotation in Alabama? No,

849
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean I think he does okay against a run.

850
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: He's not terrible. Yeah, but why is he only playing

851
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: under you know, is it an intelligence issue? Can he

852
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: not handle the responsibilities? I mean, there's a lot of

853
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: things that we need to figure out. What Tim Williams Uh,

854
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: it really makes his draft stock really volatile. Yeah, all right,

855
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: say what And to your point, Mixon's got the worst,

856
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: most horrible baggage of anybody in this draft that we

857
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: got a video. And yet you're saying, you know, one time,

858
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: isolated incident long enough, long ago enough that it doesn't

859
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: bother you, it bothers me what happened. But I think

860
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: that I think that he's paid his time for this

861
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: and now he's gonna have to interview for a job.

862
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: And that's what everybody's going to bring up on him.

863
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: I think I think that is a I mean, it's

864
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: a decent discussion. Is you know, oh, we won't get

865
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: there again. No, I'm ji, But for all we know,

866
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: Mixon will never be in trouble again. I mean, he

867
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: hasn't had an issue since then, Whereas I think I

868
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: think that liner issue. But yeah, I think that's the

869
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the I think that's the thing that

870
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: will haunt him. But as long as he played. But

871
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: and he will be a PR nightmare for whoever takes

872
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Speaker 1: him on, or Tim Williams, who seems like a significantly

873
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Speaker 1: Showy back here at the SWBC Morgan Studios with the

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Speaker 1: Draft Show, and thanks to everybody out there that has

923
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: been listening to our podcasts. You know, this opportunity we have.

924
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: We love doing this every week. It's something that I

925
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: really look forward to on. David and Dane look forward

926
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: to it as well. The interaction we have with the fans,

927
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: and you know, we just appreciate everything you guys do

928
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Speaker 1: for us, the Twitter questions back and forth. It makes

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Speaker 1: our job a lot of fun too, and so highlight

930
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: of my week. Ye first, but again, thank you very

931
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: much for going on. And even I go and read

932
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: the comments and stuff too. If you put comments on

933
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: the podcast, you get it that way. I go back

934
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: and read all that stuff. And you know, we'll try

935
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: and make this thing better anyway we can so you

936
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: guys can enjoy it. So all right, David, I'm gonna

937
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: give the last fifteen minutes of the show to you.

938
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you tell us exactly what you're gonna

939
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: do with this. So and you know, we always say

940
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: the draft process is incredibly fluid. It changes, the names

941
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: rise and the names fall, and we're not talking about

942
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: somebody that we will be talking about in a month

943
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: and a half after we get back from the combine. Yeah,

944
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: one of those deals or we're talking a lot about

945
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: somebody we won't be talking about r I'll it's burned

946
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: into my brain. Braxton Miller was a great example of this.

947
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: That's a fair point, and I mean that's no disrespect

948
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: to him. He was still a high draft pick, but

949
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: you know it probably talked about him too much. Other

950
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: receiver Les Yeah, yeah, I want to know y'all watch

951
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: the film, y'all are the nerds we you know, sitting

952
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: here heading into the combine? And I got a few

953
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: positions in mind, specifically tailored for the cowboys obviously. Who who?

954
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: Who's getting too much hype right now? Who are we

955
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: talking too much about it? Like right, I just wrote

956
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: down Dane, said Barnett a minute ago. The Tennessee defensive

957
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: end Charles Harris is a guy that we're hearing a

958
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: lot about these days. Tack McKinley. Tack McKinley is Lawson,

959
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson. Yes, absolutely, so we know that. Who Who

960
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: were we not talking about that? Y'all think maybe we

961
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: should be specifically when it comes to pass Rusher, Well,

962
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of twist us for a second. I think we

963
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: might be talking too much about tack McKinley because he's

964
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: not gonna be an option at twenty eighth. Yeah, I

965
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: mean I think he might be able to. We might

966
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: see a Vic Beasley type of rise after injury at all.

967
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: And okay, we'll say from the combine, but I think

968
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: the combine McKinley is gonna run a four or five. Oh,

969
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. I think, yeah, ten yards split's gonna be. Yeah.

970
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: Stand that's actually a good point. So maybe in the

971
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things, we're not talking about him enough

972
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: because people are talking about him as an option for

973
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and he could go way high. Right, we're

974
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: talking too much about him as an option for the Cowboys,

975
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: not enough as a top fifteen, top twenty type guy. Okay,

976
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: you know the Falcons took Vic Beasley in a top

977
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: ten and was looked at as a while. Yeah, but

978
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, with his sack production this year, I think,

979
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, it proved to be an okay pick, and

980
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: I think Tach McKinley could be in a similar type

981
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: of type of thing with He's gonna test really well,

982
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: he's a very good athlete. Uh, he could end up

983
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: going a lot higher than you know, we were talking

984
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: about now and not even sniff the twenties, let alone

985
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at twenty eight. Yeah, I don't disagree with

986
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: that at all. I think that to me, he's a

987
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: guy everybody's I've always kind of thought of him being

988
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, because even more now with the injury,

989
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: I thought about that, the injury is the wiy but

990
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: and then and then Lawson, I kind of thought he

991
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: was always going to be that guy too at twenty eight.

992
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: So I can understand, especially when people put him in

993
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: these mock drafts. You know, that's the question I always get, Oh,

994
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: is this a good guy? You know? Is this you know? Well? Yeah,

995
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean this is a good guy. I mean that's yes,

996
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: he's a good yeah. But I you know, I don't

997
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: know if we're talking enough, and I don't know if

998
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: they would do it. I don't know if they would

999
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: do it at all. But you know, with Charlton, you know,

1000
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, and I know his name gets mentioned, but

1001
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's as strong. I don't think

1002
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: it's as strong as you know. I mean, I'm hearing

1003
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: rumors about, Oh, I really like the Harris kid from Missouri,

1004
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, Basham as a kid that you brought up.

1005
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm not saying at twenty eight, second round,

1006
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: second round type of guy. I mean twenty but we're

1007
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: really not talking about those guys. Twenty eight is the

1008
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: pick that everybody fixates on. But I mean, holler at

1009
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: me if there's somebody for you know, are my Senior

1010
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: Bowl guy Willis out of Kansas State? Yeah, I mean

1011
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: people were talking about him as a fourth round pick.

1012
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: Is that that seems low to me? Like should you beat?

1013
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean I got him in the third, and I

1014
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: know there's some cons I know there's some questions about

1015
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: him having a third as well. A guy who I

1016
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: don't think we're talking enough about who we will be

1017
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: probably talking a little bit more about after the combines.

1018
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: Taias Bowser from Hugh He said that, you said that, Yeah,

1019
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna test really well. You know, played

1020
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: basketball two seasons at Houston. We know he's a good athlete.

1021
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: The way that he was used at Houston, who was

1022
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: just out of his paint the picture forreston On Bowser.

1023
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: You know with Houston, he lined up on the edge,

1024
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: but he didn't. They didn't let him, you know, Pin

1025
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: his ears back and just get after the quarterback, which

1026
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: he did at the Senior Bowl, right, and he showed

1027
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: that athleticism. He was off, he was dropping in coverage,

1028
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, playing the run, playing contain. They didn't let him.

1029
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: They let What they've tried to do at Houston was

1030
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: blitz with Stephen Taylor up the gut or from different gaps,

1031
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: create that interior disruption and to filter the runs outside

1032
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: where you know, that's where Bowser and the other guys

1033
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: who clean up. So I think once Bowser has a

1034
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: chance to go to the Combine Test, really well, he's

1035
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna be in that late somewhere in that second round

1036
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: conversation might be in that late round mix for the Cowboys.

1037
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: Seem as an end or as a I think he's

1038
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: an edge player. I you know, he could play, he

1039
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: could stay with Reddick like what we've seen with him Reddick.

1040
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a stand up guy. You know,

1041
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: he could play inside in a three to four Bowser

1042
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: to me, I want him rushing the passer. I want

1043
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: him trying to, you know, bend around the corner and

1044
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: affect the pocket. And I think that's what he does best. Yeah,

1045
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: where do we stand on Dwayne Smoot right now. See,

1046
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: now you're starting to mention names. And I know I

1047
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: was a lot higher on Smooth than than Dane was.

1048
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't see him. I mean, if there's there's better options.

1049
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: Now you look at Rivers, you know, you look at Basham.

1050
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean, now you're talking about it, you know the Houston.

1051
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you're talking about guys. Where do

1052
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: you have Smooth? The third? I mean the Ivan the third? Yeah,

1053
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: and see, and I think that's where initially I thought

1054
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: he was a much higher player. But then when you

1055
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: start looking at who else is on the board in

1056
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: the second round, that's the other thing. He's there, there's

1057
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: better players than him as a rusher on the board.

1058
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: That's going to be those types of game A lot

1059
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: of it's a numbers game, you know, there's so many powers.

1060
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: I have eighteen pass rushers on my board that within

1061
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: the first three rounds. I mean, it's just it's a

1062
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: loaded position, and so these guys get bummed down just

1063
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: because of a numbers game. Let me ask you this,

1064
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: and I mean we brought up Barnett a couple of times.

1065
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: Now I'll extend this to other positions too. If you

1066
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: can think of them, But are there any guys that

1067
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: we're just kind of writing off as non options that

1068
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: maybe that's too soon to say, Like I mean Barnett

1069
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: potentially falling down. They won't be there, No, because they

1070
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: will be there, and we assume here in early February

1071
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: that they're they't be there at eight. But we saw

1072
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: that happen with a long draft process. Yeah, it is

1073
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: a long draft process. Well, I mean, let's look at it.

1074
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned the corners. I think Marshawn Lattimore,

1075
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: we feel good, is a top ten guy to twelve guy.

1076
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: But aside from that, would it really surprise you if

1077
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: any of these other corners would be there? Tabor, White, Moreau?

1078
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: But would it would it surprise you if any of

1079
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: them if all those corners aside from Lattimore were availablet

1080
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: twenty eight? I mean, would I be surprised? Yeah, I

1081
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: would be surprised for a couple of those names. Yeah,

1082
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised on Tabor. I don't know if I

1083
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: would be surprised on White or Moreau. But Humphrey or

1084
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: Jones is another one too. Sidney Jones is another one.

1085
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: I have every name that you just said is a

1086
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: name that not Humphrey. But every name you just said

1087
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: is a name that I've seen in the mark somewhere

1088
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys range. Yeah. Yeah, I think these corners

1089
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: are so so different. There's something you could pull holes

1090
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: on all of them. And so it wouldn't shock me

1091
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: if Tabor's the fourth corner drafted, the fifth corner drafted,

1092
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna fall in love with the guy more than Tabor, right,

1093
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, could you look at skiing too, Humphrey. Yeah,

1094
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: you're right about that. He's big, he's long, he's physical,

1095
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: and he's a speecher. He can really run. Yeah, so

1096
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: I think Marlon Humphrey is going to go you know, higher,

1097
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: and that could push a Tabor down, That could push

1098
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: a Sydney Jones down. These corners are really really wild

1099
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: cards in the first twenty five picks. So aside from Lattimore,

1100
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: it really wouldn't surprise me if any of these guys

1101
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: would be available at twenty eight. I do like I

1102
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: would watch your Witherspoon guy the other day. I do

1103
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: like him. He's a good player. He's a good player.

1104
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: He started playing football and senior year in high school

1105
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: boys he competitive yeah. I like him. Interesting to see

1106
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: what he runs. Yeah, is it a four or five? Eight? Yeah?

1107
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Where can he get lower than that? Well, there's some

1108
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: guys in this thing that Yeah, we had had that

1109
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: experience with Freeman last night. They're running back from a

1110
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: couple of different running back long horns running back. Yeah, yeah,

1111
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: extend and you know, same conversation. And I was actually

1112
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: thinking about this when you brought it up. I don't

1113
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: get the feeling. I don't have the same feeling on

1114
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: the receiver repecking order. And that's that's where I turned

1115
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: to third after pass rusher in cornerback. Me personally, I

1116
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: don't know how fans so guys were not talking about that.

1117
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: We should be talking or maybe we're talking. You know,

1118
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: the dad's right about the cow kid Hanson. Hanson, He's

1119
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: right about him someone and you know what, Okay, give

1120
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: me let me ask you this. If you had to

1121
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: take if you had to take Hanson or Cup, you

1122
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: had to take Hanson. It's not it's not a comparison

1123
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: for me. Hands is a much better athlete. Um, I

1124
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: think he's bigger. I think you know, they kind of

1125
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: have similar backgrounds because his hands and started his career

1126
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: at the end. You don't think you don't think Cup

1127
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: could play in the PAC twelve. Oh no, no, no,

1128
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: I like couple a lot. I just think I just

1129
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: like Hanson much more. I think Cup's a solid second

1130
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: round guy. I think he I think he's best in

1131
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: the slot where he can give hands in the first

1132
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: don't she I have him as a one two. Uh.

1133
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: You know he's somewhere in the top forty. So you're

1134
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: hearing much about Chad Hanson out there. No, yeah, here

1135
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: you go. I just told you when. Yeah, I think

1136
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: besides Mike Williams and uh, Corey Davis. Okay, and Mike

1137
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: Williams is the name again. Going back to my other point,

1138
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: it's like you can people assume you can write him

1139
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: off the list, right, and I think that's fair. I agree.

1140
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: Other than that Corey Davis, I'd include Corey Davis. It's

1141
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: unfortunate for him that he's going to be out with

1142
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: the ankle, won't be able to compete at the combine um,

1143
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: so you know that will work against him. But as

1144
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: long as he gets healthy and there's no long term effects,

1145
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: so be shocked if he gets outside the top twenty.

1146
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: Why is nobody talking about the Syracuse kid because he

1147
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: played at Syracuse. No, don't do that. I like him

1148
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: as a deep threat. Um, do you like him? I

1149
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: did really put him put him in the third Okay,

1150
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: you like him more than I do. Why don't you

1151
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: like him? I don't do great for me to say

1152
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: the name correctly. I was wondering why you didn't say it?

1153
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: It tau Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I always screw

1154
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: it up. But he I know my friend out there,

1155
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: mighty is just jumping through her she listens. She's a

1156
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: Syracuse grad. This is a player who you're up there

1157
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: in Boston. She's listening right now. She's jumping through the radio.

1158
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: Fifth year, Syracuse gets your transfer from Maryland and he

1159
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: goes to Syracuse and no one really he wasn't on

1160
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: the NFL radar. Yeah, but he put himself in the

1161
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: NFL radar with his production this past season. It'll catch

1162
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: a football now. Yeah. I think he's he can get

1163
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: the deep ball, he can locate, he can high point.

1164
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: I trust him at the top of routes. I just

1165
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: don't know, um what he can do as an underneath target.

1166
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl, I was hoping for a little bit

1167
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: more from him. He didn't. He didn't do enough for

1168
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 1: me at the Senior Bowl. I like him on day three,

1169
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: as you know, in the fifth round range. But I

1170
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: did not see a top one hundred guy like you.

1171
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: I said, I thought this guy was a finisher. I

1172
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: really did. I mean something I put in my notes

1173
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: and at home run hit her. He's six, he's six one,

1174
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: he's one hundred and ninety eight pounds, and he's like

1175
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: four or five middle four or five guy. But you

1176
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: watch him play. He'll take his route inside. He's got

1177
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: some toughness, catch slants, ends, you know, he'll do those

1178
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: types of thing. I saw a guy with a with

1179
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, with the quarterback situation not being great. Yeah,

1180
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: it's not a pretty high catch radius there. That's Dino

1181
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: Wavers up there. Yeah, yeah, he'll he knows how to

1182
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: move the ball around. You like better him or M

1183
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: A and M Kid. Well, I'll take I'll take Syracuse

1184
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: all day on that one. You're on me about that

1185
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: A and M kid. They it's you. You don't like

1186
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: him at all? No, no, no, I initially did Reynolds. Yeah.

1187
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: I don't like Reynolds. And that's why see I started

1188
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: off watch like in Reynolds and all of a sudden,

1189
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: now it's like all these names like Henderson, Zay Jones,

1190
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: darbos Smith. I mean, all these guys came up as

1191
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: a player. I like him a lot. You have Darbo

1192
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: in the third two three. If you looked at our

1193
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: Darius Stewart yet Alabama, yeah I did. I didn't like

1194
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: him as much. I like him. He's a two three

1195
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: for me as well. These this the day two receivers

1196
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: this year are tough to separate. He's kind of a

1197
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: he's kind of all over the places a player. He is.

1198
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: He was a high school quarterback the jet sweep and

1199
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: they tried to get the ball in his hands or

1200
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: they could, and you know he's he's a high school quarterback,

1201
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: like a reckless player, and he he is. He's he

1202
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: flails a lot, flailing. Yeah, that's what I mean by reckless. Yeah,

1203
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: and that's fair. There's nothing tight to his game. He'll

1204
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: get better, He'll get two three. Yeah, he's a two

1205
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: three if you if you think back to last year,

1206
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: better than Westbrook. No, Westbrook's more of a home run hitter.

1207
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: I've got him into Westbrook, Oklahoma, by the way, they

1208
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: had thirty four and sixty seven last year, and we

1209
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time talking about what a great

1210
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: spot that was to pick a receiver. You're you feel

1211
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean, like, like listening to y'all talk, it sounds

1212
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: like you feel better about these guys even with later picks.

1213
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: I think they could get a guy that can help him. Yeah, yeah,

1214
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: how really do how late? Though? That's I mean hick

1215
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: threes somewhere in the nineties. Who all do you have

1216
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: in the in the fourth round? Like Taylor? Would that

1217
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: be a consideration? I've got him a third in the

1218
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: fourth I have well, like a three to four. I

1219
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: have Noah Brown from Ohio State, Bucky Hodges Virginia Tech.

1220
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: So you don't like Bucky Hodges is a tight end.

1221
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: He's not a tight end. That's what I'm saying. Everybody's

1222
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: asking me, like Bucky Hodges tight end. I haven't seen

1223
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: him play tighten. Doesn't have a tight end body, and

1224
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't play tight end at Virginia Tech. Yeah, he's

1225
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: listed at tight end as a roster and that's the

1226
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: only place he plays tight end. Yeah. Um, so he's

1227
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll be listed at tight end, probably get

1228
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: the combine, but he's not a tight end. This is

1229
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted because we just got roughly I

1230
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: don't know, ten new names for guys that were not

1231
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you've heard the names, but they're not you're

1232
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: your mission accomplish, David Hellman and just I mean, I

1233
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: just know for a fact we'll be talking about somebody

1234
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: in Oh no, we will in April that we're not

1235
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: talking about right now. Okay, well that's all the time

1236
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: we have today. I want to thank everybody out there

1237
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: for weeks combine. Yeah, two weeks to combine. We'll have

1238
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: a show next Thursday. Let's getting eleven am. Make sure

1239
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: you're checking out all Dane's work on CBS Sports dot com.

1240
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: He does a podcast too with Jeff Kavanaugh Tae. Yeah,

1241
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: trust the tape. It's also a good little listen. I

1242
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: was on it last week. Make sure you're checking that out.

1243
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: I know that Jeff and Dane would appreciate that. Make

1244
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: sure you're looking at David helm and he's coming up

1245
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of really cool stories too. We're in

1246
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: our free agency series. We're about to be done with that,

1247
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: and then we're about to get into the roster a

1248
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: bit for the Cowboys that it would be cool. So

1249
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,160
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1250
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,280
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1251
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1252
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